Razer messed up...
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In this Razer Cobra Pro review we determine if the not-a-viper-mini-wireless is worth the money.
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Razer is literally creating an entire line of mice that all uniquely avoid being wireless viper minis 😭
Razer have just scored the oddest own goal when it should have been simple. We wanted a Viper Mini but wireless and we've technically gotten that but with 2 very different versions, and one with an entirely different name. You either spunk £280 up the wall for a magensium alloy exo skeleton mouse (or maybe not because they're probably all sold out) or you buy the Cobra Pro that reminds you of the Razer of old with their push for RGB, docks and all that other guff... Make it make sense 😂
Nono see razer knows best. They said “viper mini with viper v2 pro internals wasn’t good enough” so CLEARLY this is better than that cause uh, shitty rubber and heavier weight with rgb lights :D
@@MarksterC I honestly don't have an issue with the weight since I don't notice it in-game, but man jus the entire mouse overall is just garbage.
@@MarksterC Obviously Razer knows best 😂
I was just thinking back to when everyone started asking for a Wireless Viper Mini and it just seems like they've ended up catering for absolutely nobody with this mouse. If I recall correctly, a Razer rep initially said that they weren't sure whether they would make a Razer Viper Mini Wireless because it seemed like more of a niche product for a smaller audience and then went on about tooling and product cycles etc saying it may be hard to justify. That then seemed to change overtime as they probably saw the demand for it within the community. Obviously it was more of the mouse enthusiasts asking for the mouse and what was expected was a performance focused mouse with little to no frills/bloat at a competitive price. So they set out to create a mouse for the enthusiast community and have ended up catering to nobody really? They obviously lost vision with what it should have been all along.
@@CYNC33 they were worried about catering tona niche audience and then make a cobra pro which is the most niche mouse ever.
at this point we might just have to cut the wires on our viper minis and pretend they still work
Came after 8 months but u can actually combine cobra pro pcb with viper mini shell
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It's funny because it looks more like a Delux M800 Pro clone than a Razer Viper Mini "upgrade" hahaha
I just want a light Viper Mini Wireless without holes and with a better price ($280 for a mouse is ridiculous, I can get both a keyboard and a great mouse with that).
Ive got the mini se, best mice ever
Glorious Series One Pro is prolly your best chance
I waited 3 years for a true Wireless Viper Mini, was disappointed with the Signature Edition, and was given hope to wait for 5 more months, only to be disappointed once again with the Cobra. I am now moving on to other options (Atlantis Mini, EGG OP1) and seriously considering avoiding all Razer products in the future due to the bad mouth taste this experience left me.
Same. Im currently trying out ajazz aj199 and it's quite decent for the price (need to change the skates tho)
My current main was lamzu Atlantis mini and it was serving me pretty well. Just that it is a tad flat and not 1 to 1 shape with VM. My ex main was Pulsar x2 mini and it was too flat but served quite well as a temporary measure.
The next mouse imma trying is delux m800 ultra, heard that it's a 4k wireless 49g mouse with similar shame to VM, coming out this year August.
With so many choice to choose from, fuck Razer and Razer Cobra hahaha
@@LoveDaGames I believe the G Wolves HTS plus classic and HTS plus 4K are both very close in shape to the RVM. They seem to be highly regarded
@@nZaneVal The closest mouse shapewise would prolly be the Glorious Series One Pro, the hts+ isnt too far off but its noticeably different.
True, brother. I am going to stop buying anything Razer offers due to this experience. Did you try the mini?
Yeah I'm done waiting on viper min pro. Buying the lamzu Atlantis mini 4k
The wired version is literally the same exact viper mini, but with updated switches- it uses the same exact sensor as the original viper mini (I know- it's incredibly stupid and makes no sense whatsoever)
I think they don't want to make a wireless model of the mini version with high specs and cheap. And they avoid doing it right.
Looking for a new mouse, got a Viper Mini and would like something similar, braided cable, small and lightweight. I was looking for the Cobra, but I heard it's like the mini but cheaper in terms of quality, any suggestions for me ? The scroll wheel is horrible, clicking and scrolling, annoying sound while scrolling and the click is hard and not constant.
If I Had to guess its razers attempt to make the viper the e-sport line and introduce the cobra as a casual/affordable in case of the wired cobra line of products in place of the Old viper mini
Was just watching the short lol, really glad I get to see reviews like this!
my abyssus v2 is done, the wheel have long been not functioning well but recently, the left click has before a double click when it wants to and i can't drag things anymore, even if i hold left click it would registered as i released the left click...anyway.
i love the abyssus v2 but i cant get it anymore, so i ll just get the cobra instead, similar price. hope the cobra ll be an upgrade.
Why does it weigh more than the viper ultimate though? Going backwards
All I want is a viper without rubber grips and compatibility with the magnetic dock.
Is that too much to ask?
3:22, you missed a couple of spots. Not enough grip tapes
The main issue with the Cobra pro is the weight distribution, it seems to be back heavy which is a no go.
yeah at that point you might as well buy the orochi v2 and use the AAA batt
with lithium it's like 67 grams - 10 grams lighter than the cobra pro and half the price or cheaper
@@qibcentricsplayground2043 yep, I've used it with the AAA battery mod, weighs around 68g, feels flawless
Another great review, I am going for the Viper 2 pro, I checked most of your reviews and decided to get that razer mouse. I'm new into gaming so I'd like to know which DPI setting do you usually play on please?
3200 because it will give you the lowest mouse input lag. just lower the sensitivity in game
I play on 800 but that is just out of habit
Razer Cobra's existence is living proof that Razer sees their most loyal fans as just a cash cow. I'm not going to buy the signature edition for $300. No thank you ✋️
great vid. I think what happens is that Razer realize they made an awesome mouse with the Viper mini, but it was too cheap. So they killed it and made something similar just to rise the price, and rise it even more with the wireless version.
I have very small hands and gave in and bought the Cobra Pro. I like it so far, but what I really want to see is a DA V3 wireless mini.
Viper v2 pro internals mod has never been more appealing.
I bought the glorious series one pro last night after the viper mini wireless failure. So far really liking it. IDK why razer decided to just fumble this so hard.
Looking forward to your delux m800 ultra review haha
i like the cobra pro. it has everything that are missing on the viper v2
5:15 what game was that?
They probably only made it heavier to release a ''pro pro'' version that is lighter and more expensive.
I feel like it would've been easier to just take the razer viper mini and make it wireless, they would sell a lot
razer realised they've had too many Ws the last few years, gotta bring down the curve back to 2011-2014 levels
maybe use the lavaliere mic clip so both your hands are free, and lower the pops when you speak. or get a new mic.. your voice is clear but it could be better
damn it..
i wanted the buttons on both sides like the viper
I believe they ditch the "mini" brand because of the embarrassing failure of deathadder mini. So they rebrand the viper mini because they don't want anything to do anymore with mini things (like my ex girlfriend use to say)
So yeah, this is the viper mini wireless we all been waiting for so long guys
I'm going to ask, what the heck is with your Viper V2 Pro?
Nothing
ultimate grip
they should remove their tagline "for gamers, by gamers"
Bro i hope people (or the Brand itself) start making body kit for the mouse to make it either Lighter, grippier or heavier.
That idea is so good, so we won't have to wait many years just to have a slightly better mouse. 😭
No rubber grips on mice or controllers plz.
If you can find a Glorious Series One PRO, get it without hesitation. It's an amazing mouse and is basically the same shape/size/weight of the Viper Mini, but it's wireless.
If you want a viper mini wireless, can't you just get a pwnage symm 2?
most likely or lamzu maya but as a 3 year viper mini main i just bought the atlantis mini pro and said fuck it
prefer series one pro than symm 2, symm 2 with 70g weight
@@synqFPS how is the mini pro going for you? I just brought that and the x2 mini as well hoping one works good for me.
The VGN F1 Pro 🤔🤔
Heavier than the viper ultimate and I can't even use it because it's not truly ambi lol. At least it has 10 zone rgb.
Just get the series one pro mouse from glorious, it’s the exact same shape
All good, gonna save myself like 50 bucks by buying the lamzu Atlantis mini 4k.
It feels like they pulled a Steelseries or something. Like idk
I know this video is old but man. I own a lot of different mice. Bunch of different brands. Been recently using the G703 again. I have a superlight but it cramps my hand after about two hours of gaming. I also have a deatheradder v3 pro a viper v2 pro a g305 a steelseries rival 310 and a bunch of others. Viper v2 pro is my main. For the cobra pro to come in at 75 grams. It's not a big deal. It's by no means heavy. It's still a lightweight mouse. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. lol
"The viper mini is a major success! We should capitalize on it. Seems like people want it wireless! What should we do?"
"We should make it weight like a brick, add useless RGB stuff that users won't see in use and also adds weight, and then double the price!"
"What about wireless?"
"Oh... yeah add wireless as well."
The viper mini was not a success. A razer rep in the mouse review subreddit stated that the RVM had a niche following and did not find notable profits. So they decided to release the razer cobra and cobra pro leaning towards more to the general consumer side, rather than appealing to the niche followers.
@@leni1969The Viper Mini had razor thin margins and in some areas sold at a loss due to distribution costs. And now with many brands offering top tier performance WIRELESSLY at just 10 to 30 dollars more than the Viper mini, it's now dead in the water in everything except shape....which was never really popular either in the first place.
It's a shame but it's a bygone mouse for a bygone era when wired mice was still relevant (they still technically are but they're mostly budget kings or for oldfucks.)
Nice vid mate
It’s on purpose, if they made an ideal mouse everybody wanted nobody would by their limited edition which has crazy markups.
It's a Basilisk with the iconic viper mini shape 👍
The normal wired version isn't too bad but the wireless is just not worth it. Would rather buy an OG Viper Ultimate.
Loved the video!
and I thought my grip tapes were monsterous
Laughs in 26 Grams HSK PRO 4K.
No but srs, this weight is not even close to comparable to actual mice this year... They got the deathadder weight less than this product? Is this trolling?
I love the little digs you made against Razer's PR statements lol. I think there's a huge disconnect between the engineers at razer and the PR people. I can understand that this mouse is not for enthusiast gamers that want the best and so it's not for me. Happy with my viper v2 pro and I don't doubt Razer will continue to produce good products in the future.
FYI Asus ROG Pugio wieghts 103 g 😄I think after that, this mouse would feel like clouds for me. 😂
it's a brick... a beatifully glowing brick with dock. someone must have said: wait until we give them the cobra v2 pro, they gonna freak out 😂
Completely agree with your assessment, including the blackmail.
i really hate rubberized grips
Rubber side grips, feels bad man! 💀
We love the cobra and the rgb
I guess it’s fair to release a new “casual” mouse since they haven’t in a while, but knowing that the dav3pro and viperv2 are the current best mice on the market you’d think they would want to capitalize on a sweaty mini version. Oh well. Nobody bats 1000
@@Divinity_vAtheir smartass execs and marketing team would say otherwise
So i guess... I will just stick with my G Pro X Superlight.
as someone who never actually felt comfortable using the viper mini even though i enjoy smaller mice, it's almost funny how stupid this release is. if i did like the mini idk if i would laugh or cry after this
G pro super light once again best mouse on the market in value, specs, and features.
this would be a good release, if it was in 2018
I think I will love this, coming from Logitech g102
I’m so disappointed with how racer’s attitude of doing 1 thing right and 3things wrong, is so frustrating, because you know they can do it, they just choose not to!
i think they listened to randomfrankp's inital comments on the viper v2 pro. Pro = less features, that's why they added back the grips, wireless charging and RGB lmaooooo
Hi , this is not the last iteration of the viper mini, they said there is going to be at least one more , hopefully on their 3rd attempt they will release something ok for the people(another mouse reviewer asked them)
They aren’t going to make another mouse with the razed viper mini shape. :(
@bowen7057 Yea. The mouse's original popularity is due to the price to performance ratio being literally some of the best in the world (its literally a $50 to $75 mouse with a $30 price tag), not so much the shape (it's more of an "after the fact" kind of deal.)
With everyone (thankfully) moving on and going for high quality brands at decent costs like Lamzu and Vaxee among others, and other brands like Darmoshark and Ajazz offering literally top tier wireless performance for 30 to 60 bucks and around that range, the Viper mini no longer has a purpose except for shape.....which is extremely niche compared to most palm and claw grip mice.
Tldr move the fuck on, more brands have better shit at good cost, fuck Razer.
you forgot to mention something about r/mousereview, the mods harass people on the discord
"Those nerds don't know anything. Let's get back to our RGB roots. Casuals don't care about weight." - Razer prolly 🤡
4:21 Really? I thought they said the cobra isnt the final version of the viper mini wireless. I dont know what to believe anymore.
Reality is a simulation, time is a flat triangle
Maybe razer will secretly make a viper mini wireless maybe they are lying to us its justa theory they might have the element of suprise
the viper mini wireless already exists, its called DELUX M800 PRO.... UR WELCOME
and its $50
Totally failed positioning
Large hands and left handed. 🤣 so... not a lot of options for me
Either I get a rave with the weight of a 2015 mouse, or an empty wallet and a mouse full of holes. No thank you Razer, lights and rubber glued to the sides aren't "features", they're junk.
Im not buying a razer product anymore because of this. there are many brands out there anyway.
Razer are just trolling potential customers at this point
Maybe the rest of the market holds a different opinion from the enthusiast bubble we live in..... but like... who enjoys those rubberized sides? I hate them, they are so so bad.
rubber feels premium to the casual fortnite kid and non comp player
Whoever runs market research activities in Razer needs to be fired. A considerably large market has been screaming "just cut the wire of the VIper Mini and take our money!" for three years... it should be so simple. And they come with... this.
Y the cobra pro looking like the knockoff delux mouse
No more cheaper light weight mouse from razer
They just want to sell their fkin 280$ mouse 😂😂😂 Why would they put rubberized side grip and make it almost 20grams heavier compared to the wired cobra
Yeah, so...I've owned this mouse since day 1 and so far, it's been nothing short of amazing, soo...I don't see the hate lol.
5:14
Razer tryna profit from their most popular lineup without addressing the most basic rules of business. Customer satisfaction.
It's not complex. Wireless costs literally pence these days, only the ignorant are still unaware that charging 50% more for the same thing because it's 'WIRELESS' is very 2013........... What could they do with the price if they just release the viper mini but ... wireless ?
Quality Wireless is a decade ago........... It's long past charging for it.
Requirements forom Razer Fans: Razer Viper Mini V2 Pro
Razer: Here take this mouse that's worse than our last 5 mice.
LMAO, Razer just dropped a Viper V3 HyperSpeed and it’s 82 GRAMS! With a design rip off of Logitech.
Razer just keeps messing up lmao
What's next Orochi pro
Reddit is not the people
I'd agree if Razer didn't directly communicate with them about the Viper Mini Wireless, they also mentioned how popular the Viper Mini was with members of that community specifically. There is justification for that community to be annoyed as it looks like Razer regularly dangled a the mouse they actually wanted in front of them and pulled it away.
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Since my Logitch G9 died, I find no good mouse. Every one wants lighter ones. But I don't lift my mouse. I play with higher DPIs, not super high. 3000 plus minus. So not moving a lot around. But I need short mouse too, because I use claw-fingertip hybrid and need the space backwards. But almost every small mouse is so light and not wide enough for my big hands... the only one I found who was ok, is the Corsaier M65 but still to long XD also I use Linux, so at the moment it is between Corsair and Razer. At the moment I hope for good wireless versions because they are heavier. We will see.
Razer did not mess up. They knew what they were doing with this release, and I've tested it, it's the best mini mouse in terms of tech and build quality. Also has the razer aesthetics that others can't match. With puck out it's 74 grams, and since it's smaller it feels even lighter than the viper ultimate, and they changed the name because they gave the mouse its own identity, instead of sticking a "mini" tag to it. The mouse is great. It's misunderstood by the community and reviewers, though I agree on one thing, price, I think it should of launched at a competitive price like 100 USD, with full package at 150, considering it'll be an option over eSports Razer mice since it can still perform
great sarcasm.
Lmao
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They messed up because the "pro" model doesn't reach any intended market (except you apparently).
From what I can tell people just wanted a viper mini wireless with comparable specs and weight.
No need to go so extra with expensive metal shells and drops that sell out within the first minute.
Useless RGB and 77g weight when other competing mini mice are advertising well below 60g (especially when this is supposed to be considered a "pro" model).
chatgpt tier response
Thank you there is now finally a small mouse with wireless
this mouse is so ugly that I can't belive who on earth designed this. the solution is simple. They just had to make viper mini shape and design wireless version with a low price(not 280$ which probably they think as a cheap mouse). it would have sold a lot.
They discontinued the wired viper mini, to release this, and it turns out the Wired Cobra is using the same Viper mini sensor with LOD issues. Classic RAZER.
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