Micro Preamp Pedals VS Preamp LIVE!
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- Time to answer this question... Do the MOOER Micro Preamp Pedals sound as good as the Preamp Live!? You might be surprised.
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Thanks for dropping by. To me, they sound the same with the exception if having a presence knob in the preamp live to brighten them up. What do you think?
in solo the difference is more significant but in the mix they can sound almost the same.
Very true!
Lol how can you say they are same..i think its probably about your headphones.There is tonal difference and its not only about presence knob.Also Presence gives you a lot of tonal combination...Ofc i dont mean Preamp live is better in this video.
it's like the live preamp had a more processed sound, and the micro preamps had a more raw sound.
The micro preamps somehow have this mid-rangy throaty sound that the preamp live doesn't. great effort in doing this videos. Probably next video you can do a side by side comparison between your favourite metal tones on the GE models, preamp live and micro preamp? Also you should be a Mooer artist with all the exposure you're giving!
Haha thanks 😂 🙌 I imagine I'll be doing some more shootouts featuring GE units here soon! But one with some of my favorite tones sounds pretty interesting! 🤔
You saved me 400 bucks! I was honestly considering getting the live pedal until I heard the difference between it and the mini pedals. The live sounds pissy in comparison. I subbed just now bc this video really helped me out!
Preamp Live's presence knob makes all the difference. The Micro pedals sound kindda boxy without it; might be easily fixed with an EQ, though.
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Nice straightforward comparison!
I seem to dig the micro versions of Brown Sound 3 and Cali Dual more than the Preamp ones.
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The preamp live and the pedals all had the low end but the preamp live had more high end and the pedals seemed a bit lacking in that department............
micro preamp's sound is like more compressed, no crispy highs. but it's ok too. preamp live sounds better to me.
yeah, they sound like mushy garbage :(
That presence knob makes a ton of difference.. got a dual cali with a ds1 in front for some push and that thing is mega tight after adding a gate. If my board had space I'd consider the live but im more than happy with my current rig now.
Yeah, I think that's the biggest difference also.
the control presence make difference
Preamp live sounds better to me. Plus you have more options with it and tone capturing which is a great ability. Glad i bought one too. So great to do silent practice with
Yeah it's a really cool piece of gear. I need to thin out my collection, but this one is hard to let go
You can use it as your live rig too. Playing big shows to concerts. Cradle of filth uses this
Totally the Preamp Live all the way. Kickass little rig man
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Preamp live to me sounds like it has basically the same sound profile for all, and the pedals seem to have more of a darker, round, more complex tones.
Being honest the Preamp LIVE! sounds waaaay better. Maybe it is due to the presence knob but it makes a huge difference in my opinion.
It does. Same with the GE250 IMO
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I had the PAL and loved it, but traded it and a guitar I didn't like to get a 50w 6l6 5150iii with 2x12 cabinet and I regret nothing.
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Man, your videos really answer all my questions!
Amazing!
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Do Mooer Baby Bomb please.
Smallest amp ever.
😂😂😂 Lil Wayne guitar solos are the best! You think he’s running an Axe FX III? Micro preamps are the best value preamp out there for a single pedal preamp. I also love the AMT pedal preamps.
😂 maybe. That would be silly... and not surprising.
wow... the Preamp Live sounds so much better!!! BTW the Black Knight on the Preamp Live sound sounds quite close to my AMT E1 Pedal, which is basically the lead channel of an Engl Powerball! Well i'm guessing the IRs and power amp emulation i dial in get close to the settings you had dialed here.
Really tight and agressive and you can can really crank the highs and it won't get fizzy but actually just richer!
That's awesome. I love that preamp, it's perfect for the type of music I play.
I love the AMT stuff. I have a D2 preamp, SS-20 preamp, Stonehead SH50-4, Reverberry, Japanese Girl Wah, and Chameleon Cab. Big AMT fan.
Damn, I thought the individual pedals would have sounded better but they all had that “blanket over the cab” sound and response to them in comparison to the preamp live. That presence control really makes a difference. Unless there’s some power amp emulation going on in the preamp live or something 🤔
Not gonna lie, would love to try the Blacknight pedal through the fx return of my Marshall DSL 20 head and see what comes out, or maybe the Mooer Phoenix pedal would be interesting 🧐
The Mooer Preamp Live does have power amp emulation in it, where you can select the power tubes and how hard to run them. It can be turned on or off. Don't know what's going on here though.
"blanket over the cab" response was the IR added in POST.
It makes everything sound the same...and kind of bad in my opinion
Just bought a second hand Preamp Live basically only for the Tone Capture option. But its always noce to have a lot of other amp options on board. Hope to load the Preamp of my Boogie Mk1 which I use in my Santana Tribute band.
If I can get the same ( or really close to it ) tone and sound out of the Preamp Live I dont have to drag around the 40 kg weighing Boogie anymore.
I have done the same test and you get EXACTLY THE SAME SOUND between the pedals and Live Preamp, if you enable the POWERAMP on the live preamp unit.
This is the difference we’re hearing here. I have both preamp pedals and the live. You have to use the power amp feature in PAL. In the end the PAL has a ton of options, pre and post gate, cab sims, power amp, etc. it’s killer. Let alone the tone capture.
I like the preams best when they go into the loop of a real amp. Straight to the interface always felt a bit too compressed for me. Also the amp adds the presence control.
The preamp live sounds better into an interface imo. It would be interesting to compare them with an amp as well.
Cheers.
Not a bad idea! 🙌
As far as I know, the Micro Preamps do not have power amp emulation. The Preamp Live does. That makes a big difference. Although for some amps like the Cali Dual, the saturation on the micro preamp is fatter, it does not have the clarity that the Preamp Live has. Notes are harder to distinguish.
@@sebawillem the micropreamps has an internal ir which, I believe, include the poweramp emulation. Otherwise, I can't see a reason to put it on. It sounds ok directly to the interface, just too compressed imo. It's definitely usable. But I hear the best results when they are in the fx loop. For direct recording I prefer amp sims in a plugin format.
I don't have the preamp live, but it seems (or heard) that it handles direct recording better.
Oh yes, the classic Fender 5150
Personally they all sound great to me, but the preamp live has the edge, it just seems to have a fuller sound, like it's eq'd differently, or presence, or something.
Huh? I'm surprised there's such a massive difference. There seems to be more variance between the pedals than between the patches. Preamp live sounds are all kind of alike to my ears
Yeah, I noticed they are pretty similar as well. Could be the built in matched IRs vs whatever is going on in the pedals 🤷♂️
The little pedals all sound a bit ‘boxy’. The difference sounds like a amp/cab vs a 12 inch combo. With a custom IR I bet the differences in sound would be very similar to each other. Good comparison!!
Thanks!
Pretty mind blowing that Cradle Of Filth uses these exact pedals currently as their live rig
Dude! Thanks for that Recto OS412 IR, converted to use in my axe fx ultra and it sounds great!!
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Tough call... In some cases I think I preferred the pedal, in other cases the preamp live. The texture of the distortions sounded almost identical I thought, but the preamp live often sounded brighter, and the pedals often sounded thicker with more low end. The additional presence knob on the preamp live could be a factor in that? Thanks!
Yep, I think so. When I was dialing them I kept it at 50%, but I think that was probably a boost in most cases. In comparison though, I think they sound better on the preamp live than the ge200. I really like this thing, especially with the bluetooth control
I think single preamp pedals sound much crispier than the preamp live though it can be dialed as per need as having,ng,cab ir loader,boost so many things going on n all the preamp pedal tones in 1 box but to for only 1 to 1 comparison single preamps i'll choose..bdw i have the 009 n it sounds awesome wid a boost n ir
I agree. I usually would boost them, but wanted to keep it as simple as possible for the demo
La calidad de los productos, incluidos los simuladores de amplificadores y gabinetes, puede variar significativamente según el enfoque y la dedicación del fabricante en su desarrollo. En muchos casos, los micro preamplificadores que están específicamente diseñados para simular un amplificador auténtico pueden ofrecer resultados más realistas que los incorporados en dispositivos multiefecto con muchas funciones adicionales.
La razón detrás de esto radica en el enfoque y los recursos dedicados a cada uno de estos productos. Cuando una marca se enfoca completamente en replicar con precisión un amplificador específico en un micro preamplificador, puede invertir más tiempo y esfuerzo en investigar, analizar y emular minuciosamente el comportamiento tonal del amplificador original.
Por otro lado, en un dispositivo multiefecto que incluye simulaciones de amplificadores junto con otras muchas funciones, el enfoque puede ser más general, lo que podría resultar en una emulación menos detallada y auténtica del amplificador deseado. Además, al incluir numerosas funciones adicionales, el procesamiento digital puede afectar negativamente la calidad del tono y hacer que el resultado final suene menos natural o "falso".
Sin embargo, es importante destacar que esto no significa que todos los dispositivos multiefecto sean inherentemente de baja calidad. Hay algunas marcas que han logrado desarrollar simulaciones muy realistas en sus multiefectos, pero esto puede requerir una mayor inversión en términos de desarrollo y tecnología.
si están buscando la simulación más auténtica de un amplificador específico, es posible que encuentres resultados más satisfactorios en los micro preamplificadores que se centran exclusivamente en replicar ese amplificador. Pero si valoras la versatilidad y la capacidad de tener múltiples efectos en un solo dispositivo, un multiefecto con buenas simulaciones también podría ser una opción viable.
Cabinet IR added in post... Then the amp voicing is covered up and will all sound the same... Like they did.
The Plexi isn't meant for that sludgy sloggy stuff.. it's meant for Billy Gibbons and the like.
To me, this was not a fair or accurate demonstration.
For those interested these pedals all have a great unique voice that is well presented on Andertons.
Witch one is the best you suggest for Death metal? or if you know for Brutal Death Metal and Slam?
I like the blacknight myself, but you can't go wrong with the Cali Dual
Reminds of the difference between a Helix and Axe FX. Both sound good but I prefer the Micro pedals.
I was wondering about the preamp pedals vs the joyo bantamps. I was looking to get for example a 5150 sound, what would be better sounding, a mooer or a joyo?
Hopefully you when with the mooer. I forgot what it's called but they have a 6505 and 5153 he mentioned. Also will depend on what your going for. The joyo is good for jamming. But not live or not even with a drummer. If your going direct, as in front of house to a p.a. then definitely mooer.
The micro preamps are not all-in-one solutions. They give just more flavor inside complex chains. My personnal killer chain: cheap 808 OD as boost -> clean/OD of an valvestate 8080 (real valve) -> cali-Dual preamp -> only mooer radar 's sim amp section -> old zoom gx-1(post equ, pre cab coloration, ligth delay or chorus) -> return to the solid state section of the V8080.
Great vid ! I actually have the Cali Mk3 and the Preamp Live and run them on my amp directly in front of it, boosting them with a ts9 if needed (no Preamp Live integrated boost pedal sim) and using an eq in the loop. On this setup I found the mini Cali MK3 a really convincing amp sounding pedal when I compare it to my tube dirt channel. Rich, deep and complex. No thraoty sound at all. In the other hand Preamp live can be dialed very near but it has that subtle annoying tone that I find in every preamp, wich it make it kind of fake... Wich in my opinion is the opposite of this demo, runned on a DI wich make it outstanding. For this use or with headphones, Preamp Live rules! So many possible tweaks, boosts, presence, mics, tubes, onboard IR's, custom IR's cabs... ! The mini pedal integrated IR is really dull to me. Would be interested to hear a mini pedal on a DI with custom IR tough.
For me, the Cali MKIII sounded best out of the Preamp Live. The Brown Sound 3 and the Black Knight minis won out in their comparison. They are just beasts in a tiny package. The Pramp Live won out for the Cali Dual and the US Gold PLX. Both of those minis made the lower strings sound a bit flubby for my taste. I noticed the "throaty" sound mentioned by a few people with the PLX. I bet they would pair pretty well with an overdrive, though. I use the Black Knight mini live and it has never failed to provide a crushing distortion. I would recommend some type of noise gate with some of the grittier distortion preamps as they can squeal quite a bit if you use them at high gain and high volume. \m/
Preamp pedals sound more realistic, but preamp live maybe easier in mix context.
Did you used any boost or overdrive on preamp live ?
No boosts on any of the demos, wanted them to be as straightforward as possible. Most of these probably would sound a little tighter with a boost
I think you meant to say that the Brown Sound 3 is based of a EVH 5153, not a Fender 5153 ;)
They’re made by Fender and lot of them have a Fender logo.
@@R3dbudd Yeah, but I would still call the amps EVH not Fender! I call my Charvel San Dimas a Charvel and not Fender even though they are owned/made by Fender!
EVH is Fender, technically... But yeah
Nice video! Do you think the cabinet simulations on the Mooer radar sounds better than the preamp live cabinets?
Thanks! Never used a radar, but I imagine they are the same.
When using the preamps with a power amp what are you listening for when setting volume? Maybe could address that in the power amp comparison? I'm never sure how I want the 2 volumes set. Preamp volume vs master volume on the amp I'm slaving, the reason I mention this is because I noticed some of the volumes on the preamps were different on the comparison.I intend on getting a power amp it just has to wait a bit. Also want a 2x12 currently still just using the fx return on my joyo zombie with a 1x12 with a v30.
Depends. If using a solid state power amp, you want to turn your volume on the power amp way up, and use your preamp volume to control the overall level. I can probably go into detail in the vid
my fav is the friedman pedal from mooer
Man all the Preamp live presets and the micro preamp sounded kickass. I love that riff, what's the name of the song, if it's already a song
Thanks! I actually write these riffs in my comparison videos just for the demo. Occassionally I'll turn them into full songs with my band.
Ok that riff is cool af, it deserves to be a song 😍
Hey Taylor, can you see if mooer can send you a baby bomb, your 4x12 and if you have a 2x12, and all the metal preamps and do a taylor style demo, (plays a song through all the preamps boosted with noisegates) like discussed before, there are not enough modern metal demos on TH-cam. Mostly dad "metal" not hating but holy shit is there alot of them. Van halen, acdc, judas priest, megadeth. One last minute edit. Could you do a separate video of the baby bomb with your modelers with the "who does it better" format for amps modeled. I can go more indepth if your curious. It doesn't have to be the babybomb if you can't get it. You could do it with your powerstage or that little black power amp you have.
I've been meaning to do a poweramp demo... it's on the horizon.
Sweet, precision drive demo coming as well?
I just saw your vid and I thought… would it be a good idea buying a mooer preamp live if I already have a GE200? My guess is it would be “redundant”… am I right? Great vid by the way. Some gear I’ve bought these last year I’ve based my choices on your vids 😀🤟🏻
Great review! One question: does it include a power amp? Thanks!
No, they are only preamps. You need a separate power amp to power a cabinet.
I'm not a big fan of those multi effects boxes as u can't put any of them in your loop
Wow i actualy liek the brown sound that is wierd, remids me of this death/drone band altarage.
Hi! What do you use as a poweramp with the micro pedals at the beginning? What is the signal chain there?
I've had both. The pedals were definitely lacking. I ultimately sold the Mooer for AmpliFirebox which is significantly better.
Which amplifier box? The tiny one?
Oh wow, that speaker cab. MMMmmm screw the preamps. I want that cabinet.
I have both the micro 5153 and the preamp live.
To be honest guys just save money and buy the micro...
The preamp live into a power amp doesnt sound so great, way too muffled.
The presence knob acts more like a treble knob.
I'll return it and get a refund from Amazon
El multiefecto tiene mucho ruido por detras (fondo)
Los micro preamp no.
El unico inconveniente que le veo al micro preamp como "negativo"
Pero no estoy seguro
Ya que pudo ser una mala equalización
Y es que se siente que tiene muchos graves y eso le da sensación como ahogado.
Al menos en este video,
Ya que en el otro
Si se vio con buen EQ.
To listen to the micro with headphones would I need the mooer radar?
Well... you can always capture the Micros into the MPL....
How do you choose between the different amps on the preamp live?
Great subject. I would love to hear this same test done with a higher tuned guitar.
Almost sold my digitech gsp1101 to buy this preamp live, but i chickened out lol
I don't think i'll ever have the courage to ditch that unit.
But the preamp live sounds really good
If it makes you feel better, I found an ADA MP1 at a garage sale for $20. I fixed it up and sold it, but not before capturing it into the Mooer Preamp Live....
how does the joyo zombie/vivo compares to these + poweramp?
Everything sounds exactly the same. Blind test them. There’s a slight difference. But to be fair. I’d not buy any of the based on this, and I love the mess boogie mk3 used semi clean with slight break up. As a bluesy lead sound.
live!
compression is brutal, these all sound pretty bad. muddy and no definition.
The preamp pedals sound more like a real amp to me.
please compare preamp live and ge 300 but with the latest firmware.
Do any of the Mooer Micro Preamp pedals do the 80’s hair metal thing, with a wider frequency response, and that would excel at driving a Marshall Plexi? Cheers~
Not my area of expertise, but I imagine you could probably do something like that with a PLX, the preamp live has built in boosts, so it's more suited for tone sculpting as a whole than the micropres
@@TaylorDanley Thanks for the recommendation. Btw - I was reviewing the Mooer site and came across the Phoenix module - sounds interesting to review. “Soaring from the flames, the MOOER PHOENIX is a homage to modern, German-designed metal amps.”
@@BigMikeGuitar ENGL Fireball sim
@@MetalZoned The Phoenix module right - cool, sounds interesting.
@@BigMikeGuitar I have the black knight that Taylor demoed, it's one of the better pedals in the line for high gain, so one based on the fireball should be pretty good! They have good resale value so if you don't like it you can sell it online and not be out too much 👍
Where do you get that pedal holder at?
vs preamp x2 pls
0:52 Fender 5153?
The 5150 III was made by Fender.
the pre-amp pedals sound the same, just darker, like EQed differently. that's all
These micro preamps suck the tight low end out from any pedalboard chain, Preamp live all the way. Plus the knobs on micro preamps are pretty annoying to use
these pedals sound messy comparing with preamp live
Preamp live seems to sound bit thinner than the individual pedals first impression but maybe i'm full of shit and wasting your time reading this 😅😅
Wow it's not even close the individual pedals sound like s*** compared to the Mooer Preamp Live versions
Why people dont just go completely digital for gigs is beyond me... no more hauling heavy gear. I carry a mex hss strat , irig ,my ipad, and I run that crap to the house
Because "feel" 😂
I ran a Headrush into a Headrush FRFR for stage monitor and straight to front of house and I brought one guitar. Easy set up, easy tear down and I can haul everything in one trip. Its the absolute solution to me. Feel is nice and all, but I don't really care about that as much as I do the tone and not breaking my back..lol
Sounds merely the same.
or for $100 you can get the max bundle on amplitube and have WAY more amps, cabs, pedals, rack units . . .
They all sound the same haha
Lot of pedals.... Play similar riffs...
A terrible product. It does sound good, but it is absolutely unreliable. After a week of buying it, it stopped working, luckily under warranty so I got it replaced. The new unit, after a year stopped working again. Unfortunately not under warranty anymore. I lost my money. I was able to record a couple of demos with it and that's all. Also, they stop developing the software. Don't buy it!
after watching your video I'm not sue if you can actually play?
Same
@@TaylorDanley I'm not Sue either!
When I see a pedal amp or pedal preamp a red light always light up in my head with a clear though to stay away from this.