Hazored vs Temur Energy | Grand Finals - Quest for the Best Deck Ever
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- What was the best deck ever? It's finally here. We cut 27 Worlds Winning Standard to the final 2. We played five rounds of Swiss, and now we bring you each match of the Top 8. Andrea is playing Carl here and either Glorybringer or Glorybringer could be knocked out of the tournament... oh wait
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Did you have a summary of how the Swiss rounds went somewhere?
Now I want to see Hazored go up against the monster of a standard deck we almost had a few years later if Oko, Uro, Once Upon A Time etc hadn't gotten banned
Make this an extra boss episode!!!!
Gotta do it!
@@bozzosilvagianluca I think a no ban combo-winter deck would also make for a good boss.
100%
Yes this needs to happen
Semi's and Finals showed who really is the goat of standard-history: going first.
I was SO certain hazored was gonna win, though in hindsight the strength of going first is prevalent this matchup for sure.
This was a great series. I absolutely love that the janky black deck from 1997 made it into the top 4 with decks from the late 2010s "purposely overpowered" era of card design.
Aggro is just good.
That game 3 was more hype than it had ANY right to be. Absolutely electrifying. Really hoping for more series like this in the future!
It didn't matter but Carl forgot to spend 1 energy to pay for the Essence Scatter with Aether Hub. Awesome series, would love to see another tournament style series like this.
Mattered a lot because Andrea didn’t attack with scroungers because cub could be a 4/4
@@LiLIrishSoutherner good point
Didn't a thopter trade with a scrounger that same turn?
to be fair Carl mistapped his lands and could have left up the blue needed for scatter without using hub
It was just a misstap i think they saw it and decided to not make it a match losing moment because that ending would have been aweful.
Just a comment to respond to your quip at 14:20 - yes, this was VERY much worth it, and I did enjoy this series, Carl 🙂.
Thank you :D
Genuinely enjoyed this series, I hope you guys do a season 2
hoping to see sultai midrange with oko and once upon a time
We will likely be doing a season 2 :)
Andrea is damn good at magic, his lines are impeccable.
I would be interested to see this series redone, i suspect we might see a completely different top 8 coming out of the swiss
It likely would, and we are indeed planning on doing a very similar series again :)
No doubt this was the most powerful standard years.
Pre-ban Saga block was WAY more busted, you would beat people within t1 and t2 frequently. They played the tinker deck missing a ton of busted stuff, and the guy playing it didn't really know what he was doing.
also: oko?
@@MrPlow-jc4cryeah this format didn’t have Acedemy or Jar, but that’s for the best because they probably wouldn’t have had a close game with any deck in the field
@@MrPlow-jc4cra phyrexian colossus was dropped super early and it died to a harness lightning. the deck just cannot compete with modern cards.
@@ClubbingSealCub Lol pre-banned Saga block standard decks had: Tolarian Academy, Windfall, Time Spiral, Memory Jar, LED, Yawg Will, among all the broken mana in the Finkle version. The pre-ban Saga standard decks win before Temur Energy would even cast their 2 drop
My main takeaway from this series is not how powerful these decks are but how when you have strong decks going first is so huge
As a sad kid who missed out on the standard/modern scene until just recently, these videos mean so much to me. Thanks for completing the series. Play all the modern. I just can’t get enough of Modern/standard/pioneer now. I love your sequencing and expert play.
We're planning on doing this again for modern or pioneer :)
This game was over after the coin flip sadly. I think you need to show a deck winning on the draw to actually be considered the best deck. Still enjoyable series
Not true. A deck doesn’t need to be well rounded if it is so dominant in one area that its faults don’t matter.
For example, the extreme would be a deck winning 100% of the time on the play and 20% on the draw (disregarding player skill, of course). This deck would have a 60% base winrate, which is astronomical. In fact, most decks favor the coinflip for this reason, as it provides them a base to work off of when it comes to play patterns and fine tuning.
The perfect culmination for the best series yet. Mengu does it again. Will love to see more such series for other formats like standard with sultai control and rogue mill etc.
Ohhh yeah. That was awsome! Probably one of my favorite series on this channel. Kinda sad that its over now, but I know this channel generally does not disappoint so I'm excitied to see what other things you will have in store.
We'll do our best to deliver with our upcoming videos as well! :)
This was such a great finale to an excellent series, stellar by everyone involved!
Thank you! :D
For Carl in particular- I appreciate you being able to play a serious game of magic with one of the world's best in front of all of us. You are so fun to watch when you are having fun.
Thank you :) that's high praise and so kind of you to say. I'm truly happy you enjoyed!
I didn't think Temur energy was that busted when this started but wtf
I remember playing against it, and the issue was that the entire deck provided value, even if you answered it immediately.
As an example, you really wanted to kill the Servant of the conduit so they couldn't use the Mana, but then they are still up two energy. (Which is also 2/3 of a thopter, a +1/+1 counter or 2 damage to a creature).
Thank you for the series. I played both energy and hazored at nationals when this still was a thing and the nostalgy levels are insane.
Nicely done guys, this was a great series and such a fantastic idea overall.
7:22 that Classic Mengucci top deck magic.
Andrea is such a fun Player to watch
20:20 is somebody sighing at the Chandras Defeat? :D
Yeah I did not have a pre-made animation set for it and I didn't want to add an explosion or cutting sound because the art was just Chandra being sad. So I added a sigh 😅
This is honestly some of the best content ive ever seen
Thank you :)
Awesome series. Did you publish the swiss resaults somewehere?
I am interested how no deck from the last 4 years made it to the top 8. Esspecially for the Omnath deck.
At a guess, Tangle wire.
Carl has commented repeatedly that it's not even close to being a fair card.
Loved the series!! Hope you guys do more in the future
I started Magic with Kaladesh so this video hits the nostalgic spot
I have been waiting for this all the month
Thanks for this series. That was really fun!
Another cool video to follow this up might be taking all the experience you got and using it to do a tier ranking of the 28 decks you used, including the ones that didn't make it past the swiss and into the videos.
Top quality content! Amazing series, thanks guys! :)
Thank you :) we'll be doing a similar series for modern in about a month, I hope you enjoy that one as well!
Can you do this with other formats?
I would love to see a modern version
We did not expect this series to do so well :) but now that people like it, we will definitely be revisiting it with different formats
@@CardmarketMagic Awesome! Not sure how it would work but a CEDH one would be epic
21:55 Remy's essence lives on in the Cardmarket studio
I want to see the decks that got cards banned like cawblade and affinity duke it out.
Thank you for the amazing series! Just top tier layout and editing. Both of these decks in the finals feel so powerful and oppressive on the play that the dice roll will almost be the game. I did have just a little bit of hope with that essence scatter....
Excited to see what is the graaaand chaaaaampion!
Ouff, I'm only on round one and can already really see the difference in skill level. Andrea would've never kept a 5-lander with a 5-drop and Magma spray otd, let alone let Scrapheap Scrounger hit again and again or play into the chainwhirler that was super obvious.
I would've loged if two players with a more equal skill level would've played that final, maybe Andrea vs Thoralf.
That said I still think this format was really interesting and a blast to watch. Keep it up, I really enjoy these cool video ideas!
You clearly don't know Andrea 😅 he always keeps the sketches hands, it's his signature move
I like how it like watching hell's kitchen where I'm like do they wait and remember what to say what happened
Feels crazy to me that affinity and or elf ball tnn both aren’t on this list that elfball tnn with skullclamp was the most busted deck I’d ever played
@14:13
Carl, I enjoyed it a lot!
Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoyed it! I'll do my best so that you enjoy all our upcoming content as well!
Mengu is the best human being ever! We want to see him every day! Jokes aside, whole series was fun to watch, really enjoyed it, ALL you guys are great :-) Can't wait for new videos to come ;)
This series was amazing. and the editing is GODLIKE. You guys can be proud of yourselves. ✌️
Thank you so much! :D that's so kind of you to say
This was a good run, hoping for something similar in the future
I have enjoyed this whole series. Only played mtg for few months back in highschool around 2006. Had to pause and read all cards(thanks for showing them on screen). Loved it hope for some more.
I'm happy you enjoyed it :) I think the biggest challenge I struggle with is trying to make the game easy to follow for people that are not as enfranchized. We will indeed be doing some more similar series like these
I absolutely love Mengucci's energy in every game he plays.
Carl had far more energy though.
Mengu only had one from the Aetherhub
@@FPRobber I mean, Carl does tend to have the most energy always 😂
Great series! It was a nice peek through Magic's competitive history.
I think it would have been fun to have the older decks play with the MTG rules of the time. Like: mana burn, damage on the stack, old legend rule(s), old mulligans, batching instead of the stack, etc. (Maybe that's a future video idea? Playing modern decks with old rule sets?)
Idea for next time is battle of the bans! Battle with standard decks that got cards banned. Skullclamps, okos , cawblade, omnaths, uros, companions pre nerf etc.
7:22 The Andrea Mengucci Top-Deck Difference (tm)
Fantastic job Carl and team.
This is the best collection of magic content on TH-cam, you've really outdone yourself with the concept, the dedication and the edits. I hope you had as much fun making it as we did watching it.
Also super big thanks to Jamin, Thoralf and Andrea for their contributions and for being fantastic players to watch.
Can't wait for more series like these.
That's such high praise! :D thank you so much for your kind words. We will be doing a similar series again in a few months :) I hope you enjoy it as much as you did this one
this was actually very enjoyable to watch wow. I remember well this bomat courier creature was destroying people
I was rooting for you, Carl! But what are you going to do against Red Deck Wins? It's right there in the name!
You could do the same thing with all the Modern decks
Kudos on the series! Great idea for videos❤
Thank you :)
I have a theory that better Magic players just roll higher for first turn. I'm not sure across dozens of videos I've ever seen Andrea lose a roll off?
(It seems to be Andrea > Thoralf > Jamin > Carl. Sorry Carl, the dice gods have spoken!!)
I should have practiced my dice rolling instead of Magic skills 😅
Damn energy was really that unstoppable
it was stopped in this video though
Andrea doing a Remy impression ? Priceless.
I would watch the match games of all these decks playing out as I'd like to see how they all play out. Feel sad not seeing things like sidisi whip etc decks I've never even heard of. What about doing another Swiss but removing the current top 8 performers
We'll be running this series back again in a couple of months :)
I would be interessted what is the worst deck of these decks. Probably an old one, but how knows, maybe a followup series? they have already done most of the work... :)
The Swiss was only 5 rounds so it's not representative :) the list of decks with the least points is very misleading data
Was a great series. But I will mention that its not *really* the best standard decks of all time, its the best decks from the world championships tournament, of all time. Id like to see a tournament with standard 'hall of fame' decks. The most powerful decks ever. Academy, necro etc from the old school as an example. The best from each year go at it in a total degen fest.
I didn't know the series would be a success (was actually scared it would be a flop) so we tried not to invest too many resources into it. Even with the worlds decks as a metric, this took over 50 matches. We will do this again though and we'll have the community vote for the best deck every year :) (we are banning the tolerance academy deck of course, for your benefit, as that deck could win on turn 1)
Congrats to the Hazored deck and Mengu for winning! Wow, what an amazing series. I really enjoyed watching these episodes, some of the best quality mtg gameplay and entertainment i've ever seen!
That's truly kind of you to say! :D we'll be bringing the series back in a few months and I hope you enjoy it equally
@@CardmarketMagic Awesome, looking forward to that!
I wish we'd seen some of the other decks listed
This list is missing the most clearly overpowered deck of all time: Academy Combo. These were standard decks that usually won by Turn 3. Nothing in this world champion deck list can hold a candle to that.
So good... now... modern? xD
Also when Andy Guccimen said "pass to you" I heard "pasta you"... Am I going to hell?
Modern is next! :D
And yes, since the episode where Thoealf pointed it out, Andrea only says "Pasta You" in my head 😅
@@CardmarketMagic You guys are awesome, looking forward to it!
I love the discussion of sideboarding, the card closeups, and the history lessons from this series. Really good balance of educating and entertaining content. Really accessible to casual/new players in a way that doesn't dumb/slow down the content!
these videos scratch that back-in-the-day SCG tourney itch I didn't know I still needed. so much fun to watch
I love Andreas face expressions he’s such a likable face and personality
Great series!
Do the same with like the 16 best pauper decks you can find and invite pauper guy (to all get wrecked by megu) :P!
Would be awesome to do this with decks that never made it to worlds for their years because they got banned or some key card got banned and they lost worlds due to it.
And man would it be great to have a series with all the decks.
I don't know if you want to consider mtgo because it's not your style but please do because it will allow you to do this with much less editing
Also would be neat to see banned modern decks tournament featuring affinity with the artifact lands, eggs, dredge, hoggaak, eldrazi and so on in their most busted forms
We are considering doing it again hut having people vote for the actual best decks each year :) or to do this for modern or pioneer.
We'll leave the MTGO bit to other content creators. It's not because we did this that others can't do it as well :D
@@CardmarketMagic If you are willing to go through all the editing and do this again, more power to you - it's a lot nicer this way (Only suggested it because I figured maybe it will be easier for you), looking forward to it, whenever it might be.
I did not see that coming. Y'all both piloted them amazingly
Amazing series all the way through and love that the poll for the top deck was split almost 50/50. I thought Temur had it but wow Hazored is relentless! Was worth all of the effort, Carl!
Thank you 😃
You guys need to have a homebrew tournament
When this ends I'd love to see a "modern but with commander legal cards" series. Please Mr Carl Market it would be very cool.
You'll have to give me some more info because "Modern with Commander cards" just sounds like legacy to me 😅
@@CardmarketMagic Oh I meant like commander supplemental products like out of precons and commander masters/legends.
@inferno1217 ooooooh that seems like a spicy brewing environment! I'll talk about it with the others when we brainstorm this week :)
I was always cheering for Hazored, it's so fun to play/watch
Please please do the same with the old Extended decks! With all-stars such as Oath of Druids with Spike Feeder and Morphling, Tolarian Academy/Mind over Matter, High Tide with Frantic Search and Thawing Glacier, Megrim Jar, ...
Great run of episodes last two decks really seem to be competetive with each other and just good games of magic
This is the best series you guys have ever had. Thanks for going through yhe effort of making it happen
You said you did a ton of matches for the top 8 selections. Can i get a link to that data and if possible of each decks breakdown against each.
We expected this series to bomb, so we did not take good care of our notes. They are only 5 rounds of Swiss though, so the data is not very representative. If we gave the tournament another spin, we'd likely get an entirely different top 8
@CardmarketMagic that's a fair assessment. Thanks for the response. I'd say 70k out of 100k subs is pretty decent traction. Maybe you can do it again in another couple years. Was cool seeing psychatog again. I remember getting bullied by it when I was a baby at magic.
Yes it was worth the time, great job Carl!
Thank you :D
Such an awesome series! It’s sad to see my favourite deck lose but a great match regardless
This serie was so cool ! I'd love to have a recap of the pools before quarters
usually the person that wins the dice roll would win the game. decks at these levels are super optimized.
Dang, what a blast! Thanks a ton for this series, it was such a blast to look forward to! Looking forward to the next one! ツ
Happy you enjoyed it! :D and you mystified me on how you did that emoji
These were awesome to watch, but I do have a slight feeling that almost all of the games were decided by who was on the play, am I imagining that?
My mono white Eldrazi deck would beat most of these decks[ If not all, it was undefeated while it was legal, there wasn't any major tournaments in my city so couldnt have tried it there] It was also built to beat mana screw and flood. with ever flowing chalice, and playing spells that use mana each turn till 11 for Ulamog/Kozilek,Marshals anthem,wurmcoil,Conquers pledge-kicked,True conviction.
I’m surprised Selden’s Rec-Sur or Nuijten’s Slide decks didn’t make top 8. Nuijten’s deck was a meta call, but damn if it isn’t impressive and Selden’s deck was absolutely broken with answers to anything in the toolbox. I’m making my call before I watch this video: Temur Energy has so much value and everything is a two-for-one. I want to give the edge to the value engine over the aggressive fire engine which was Hazored. Can’t wait to see if I’m right.
Over this series, I was reminded of the difference between "best deck" and "winning deck".
It was weird to look through the Worlds deck lists and see stuff like:
- Astral Slide won the year Affinity was a thing
- The Standard versions of Tinker and Rec-Sur were *terrible*
- Caw-Blade was banned before Worlds 2011, so it never got a shot at being in the quest for the best
- Worlds 2012 didn't feature Standard, and was instead Draft and Modern. 2013 was also Modern in the finals
I wish this was called the best World Champion Standard Deck and not just the Best Std deck. I will use a era that I was involved in playing heavily. FIrst the best deck didnt always win worlds. In 2004 Aeo Paquette lost in the finals to Julien Nuijten with a Standard record overall of 8-1 while Julian's overall std record was 7-2. That year I dont think anyone thought that astral slide was the best deck, affinity or ironworks was. Second bans would knock many decks that would have just crushed worlds off. Skullclamp in affinity would have made it impossible for slide to win and I dont even think it would have been the best deck. In my opinion Elf and Nail was the best deck in that era with skullclamp. And even those 2 decks would have held a candle to the combo winter decks that would win turn 1 regularly.
Was expecting someone to mention the missed energy triggers, but no one has yet! He missed 2 energy in game 2, and game 3 he missed the Cub’s trigger, which could’ve become a 5/5 to survive Chandra! Totally different game if that hadn’t of happened.
Also feel like Andrea knew 😅
Great series though, was super surprised Tinker didn’t win.
I'd love to see some better way to even the winning chances for the player going second. In modern it mostly seems like "you start, you win", same as here. G1 Mengu won with 20 life. G2 Carl won with 20 life, G3 Mengu won with 17 life... Are there any homebrew options you guys play at your kitchen table?
Did Andrea Mengucci just reference an MTGRemy parody on the Cardmarket YT channel?
Yes unfortunately, he did
We do love Remy though!
notice how two aggro decks are in the finals. Why? its because its a deliberate choice by WOTC. Typically, aggro is the cheapest decks you can build in any given format. So for standard; WOTC's flagship beginners format, they deliberately tend to design cards with more aggro synergies so that new players are more inclined to stick around.
Good way to show de cards and the rules.
This was the best Magic series I’ve seen on TH-cam. Seriously guys, good job! Can’t wait for the same series with modern 😉
Thank you :D and I know you are saying the next series will be modern as a joke, but that is actually what we are planning next
@@CardmarketMagic Actually, it was more of a wish than a joke 😃 Awesome to hear that!
I still think its a shame we didn't get Affinity in this. I understand it obviously didn't win worlds, so its doesnt technically qualify, but it was the best deck of that time. G/W Slide was not even a super good deck, it just absolutely obliterated Affinity.
A very interesting strong series - having a series of matches linked like this is really interesting.
I guess my comment from an earlier video still held true until the very end, that being me noticing a strong trend of "the deck that gets to play first twice wins".
Loved the concept/games overall but that kinda soured it for me a tiiiiiiny bit. Maybe I'm just salty because my boy psychatog fell victim to this.
To be fair abzan aggro would have been better than the midrange deck
The pressure it put was crazy
Rhinos were fucking crazy
Dromokas command ruined the standard meta
Warden into command or thoughtsieze into warden into the foremost
Always turn 4 rhino
Free idea for you: competition of deck that were banned. One combo winter, Eldrazi winter, OkoUroOuaT-deck, Skullclamp elves, FlashHulk))