I appreciate that Thoralf insight: it seems like he just knows these decks so well it’s hard to beat him when he can guess your card based on your reactions and the situation.
@@maxfawcett143 :)) Yeah i didnt know that, but i saw Thoralf the first time when he won a modern tournament with tron and the lvl of skill i saw from him is astonishing, Jamin is a good player dont get me wrong(certanly beter than me) but when he plays against Thoralf or Andrea I have moments were i feel that he should have won but they just outplay him same thing happens when they play against Carl too.
This series is absolutely fantastic. And the editing is constantly out of this world. You guys do a perfect job explaining just enough that someone not savvy with modern could follow, but without over explaining later on
This is ten thousand better than Wizards oficial coverage lol This has become my favorite MTG channel, the quality of the videos never stop to increase!
The editing in your newer videos just keeps getting better and better. You're certainly among the highest quality gameplay channels out there. Not even just magic, but period. Thanks for keeping up the amazing work
I was rooting for the Eldrazi Winter win, but man do I wish Jamin could have gotten to that third game. But it was hard to believe Thoralf wouldnt see the play. GG folks.
@@owithalineybutitsupsidedow923Hogaak is up against Scam though for the top 8 so still could take it. I don't expect it to, since almost every time anyone has tested the two together Eldrazi eats Hogaak for breakfast, but when you base it solely on one match, anything is possible!
Nope on Eldrazi, nope on Hogaak Both decks are fully unbanned and have even more cards they can use in Legacy and they see zero play. Modern Horizons 2 kills them dead. If the swiss hadn't put the the 2020 decks together I would be betting they take all 4 spots.
@@NeoHellPoet If you don't understand the difference in context between the legacy card pool and the modern card pool, with or without MH2, I don't know what to tell you. The decks weren't great in legacy even before MH2, and in fact MH2 actually brought back Hogaak for a bit in that format.
Love the mind games from both players this match. "You still have two turns till you have to worry about the Thought Knot..." and Jamin extending the hand at the end when he attacks into the Displacer. A+ content. You guys are quickly becoming my favorite Magic channel to watch. Looking forward to the rest of the top 8.
You guys consistently make such good videos, and the high quality play combined with the super clear editing makes these some of the best MTG gameplay videos I've ever seen!
God, I love these tournament videos so much, they're so well edited and so much fun to watch. Seeing the thought process behind each of your plays is GREAT, it makes the game so much more fun to follow along, and the music is phenomenal, it underscores each of the matches perfectly. One other thing I really like about these videos is that I only play Pauper, so I don't know anything about Modern as a format, and this is a really nice introduction to the format, to see the top end of what is possible in Modern. I really like it ^^
Wow, glad the deck that won won. Really excited to see that last bit of the quarterfinals with hogaak vs rakdos scam. 2 newer decks that are prob some of the most broken things we can do in modern with the power creep
I feel like it depends which hogaak version we are playing if it has 4 maindeck leyline of the void like a lot of the lists did during the time its so over
Best video editing on Magic games in the business! So fun to watch and easy to follow. It would be really cool to see Cardmarket edited videos of major pro matches (like the Worlds finals) with explanations and commentary from your team.
Love to see playing Thoralf and Jaimin. Thank you so much for these series, it feels great (maybe not that great in the eldrazi case) to see again these interactions.
Banger game and a great format. Letting the community partake in the voting for the decks was a great idea to involve the viewer and be more invested in the matches, even if you didnt play the format. Best of luck to you guys❤, but it seems you dont need it😉
Eldrazi were always going to be the New England Patriots of this tournament. They're going to make the finals and if they don't win it will still be nail bitingly close.
Yeah but willfully withholding public information from your opponent feels like a dick move. Also, the un-counterability from cavern only comes from the second ability, which can only provide colored mana
@@zym6687In order to be uncounterable, you need to use the mode "add one mana of any color". Colorless is not a color, and can thus not be produced in that mode. You can still use cavern to create a colorless mana, but that would not grant uncounterable.
@ellisgriffin668 Obviously this video isn't about competitive level play, but in competition, with prizing on the line, there is a big difference between bluffs, dick moves, angle shooting, and cheating Tapping a land that can legally cast your spell without saying "tap for colorless, would you like to counter this" is on the far left side of that spectrum. The interaction is visible on the board and it's up to the opponent to catch it and punish it if they can
These videos are so fun to watch. I would love to see you guys to search up decklists of various sets or blocks that 3-0, 6-0'd a draft and have them battle it out the same way. Let's find out what the most powerful limited format was. It would also be cool because you'd have all different cards, no Thoughtseize every game, not two Glorybringer decks in the finals :p
16:40 I've been playing magic since the eye of ugin days but was a total newcomer to the game at that point - but I have to this day never seen that interaction before (not being able to cavern to cast displacer etc since eye makes it cost just the 1 colorless). Cool revisiting that era and learning about the competitive sides of both decks and some of those niche interactions!
If complimenting Carl on the editing & animation gets us more sick animations like that Thought Scour thing, then by god I'm gonna keep complimenting Carl on the editing & animation :)
For the second puzzle, the solution was found through experimentation so it's a bit hard to see what was the actual difference between the attempts. It would have been nice to just recap quickly. Great content. I love this channel so much.
Eye is way better than ancient tomb. Tomb is 2 mana, if you have an eye on the board and seven eligible cards in your hand that is 14 mana. Yeah it’s an extreme case but since it’s a passive effect it is easy for the eye to essentially generate more than 2 mana.
I expected the Grixis Shadow deck to be playing Gitaxian Probe. Probe was still legal at the very beginning of January 2017. Of course, it was banned later on that month but it was still technically legal in 2017, if only for a few days! 😂
I am curious if people think that deaths shadow was better in this version or right before the lurrus ban with dress down instead of temur battlerage, I’ve played against that list and this list and the games where you can dress down with two deaths shadows and a lurrus to replay them from the graveyard every turn is horrific. Just curious what other modern grinders think
I think it has to do with knowing jamin's wincon at that time is getting the dismember out of his hand to push for lethal with temurs battle rage, but also knowing he bottomed it because his life total would be too low had he casted it
jamin should not have been able to kolaghan's command the eldrazi mimic at 7:49, when thoralf cast the drowner of hope it became a 5/5 until end of turn
Around 17:25 it was a mistake to play Chalice for 1 and not 2. The reason is, yeah Shadow is big, but without trample it is hard to lose, so I would have chosen 2, because of Rage.
Watching some of these old decks makes me wonder, if there was no banlist how would these deck match up against Rakdos scam or murktide. It would be interesting to see if eldrazi with eye of ugin could hang with those decks today or splinter twin etc
I mean, this series is an answer to that :) izzet murktide participated in the tournament and did not even make top 8. Rakdos Scam is in the top 8 single elimination bracket, we'll see how it does in the tournament
Interesting eldrazi decklist. Considering izzet Eldrazi won the event follow by mono black Colorless Eldrazi and a Azban deck was floating in the event. The Esper version look Like a blast to play
We tested a lot of versions before submitting one for this. The mono black and izzet versions that broke out at the pro tour seemed kind of week and glass-cannon-y compared to a lot of the decks in this event. The version played here is the optimized decklist that came about a month later and eventually got Eye of Ugin banned :)
We pooled a few pro players from the time to pick the lists and the general concensus was that the UW list with drowner and displacer was the most oppressive. Mainboard chalice wasn't even good anymore since everyone played eldrazi 😅
Winter came when I first played against it, turn 1, 5 permanents in play and my turn I thought seize cause it’s all I had and ripped nothing. Truly felt like I was in game of thrones right there
Hey, what a cool match. I'm looking forward to the upcoming games. 😀 Just one question: Tapping creatures with the drowner doesn't cost mana, right? Or am I missing something. 🤔
👻👾 Decklists: bit.ly/457AxJm
Find the breakdown of the Swiss matches here: bit.ly/46l6Kyc
21:21 Wish we could've seen the look on your face when you extended the handshake at lightning speed. :D
Great game guys.
“It’s a thoughtseize.” That man is rediculously talented at reading his opponents. Obviously a top tier player
And when he said “deaths shadow” and I saw his opponent draw it, I’m like yeah he’s good.
Thoralf is a Mythic Champion for a reason
I appreciate that Thoralf insight: it seems like he just knows these decks so well it’s hard to beat him when he can guess your card based on your reactions and the situation.
Sometimes I too feel like I’m not seeing witch deck is beter cause I’m seeing a pro vs a casual player, though they are fun to watch
Thoralf got a haircut?!... I miss fuzzythor ;)
@@iulianbordeianu2415 Jamin has been playing competitive MTG since he was 9 lol I'd hardly call him casual
@@maxfawcett143 :)) Yeah i didnt know that, but i saw Thoralf the first time when he won a modern tournament with tron and the lvl of skill i saw from him is astonishing, Jamin is a good player dont get me wrong(certanly beter than me) but when he plays against Thoralf or Andrea I have moments were i feel that he should have won but they just outplay him same thing happens when they play against Carl too.
@@iulianbordeianu2415 I also think Jamin has top 8'd a few GPs
I've heard the legends of Eldrazi winter, but this really showed off why it's so infamous ❤
UW Eldrazi was the more controlling version of the deck. UR Eldrazi was a lot more explosive and very terrifying.
You didn't witness the double mimic thought knot start, that is nightmarish.😂
@@necrow4155you mean the double mimic, SSG, reality smasher start?
@@ondrejbehavka165 turn 1 eye of ugin, triple mimic, turn 2 temple + SSG for reality smasher, 20 damage gg
You weren’t there man!!!
This series is absolutely fantastic. And the editing is constantly out of this world. You guys do a perfect job explaining just enough that someone not savvy with modern could follow, but without over explaining later on
This is ten thousand better than Wizards oficial coverage lol
This has become my favorite MTG channel, the quality of the videos never stop to increase!
Thank you :) that's so kind of you to say
Thoralf with the rebellious backwards hat gives me life
The editing in your newer videos just keeps getting better and better.
You're certainly among the highest quality gameplay channels out there. Not even just magic, but period.
Thanks for keeping up the amazing work
That's so kind of you to say :) thank you!
I was rooting for the Eldrazi Winter win, but man do I wish Jamin could have gotten to that third game. But it was hard to believe Thoralf wouldnt see the play. GG folks.
Eldrazi gonna take it imo. Sol lands are hard to compete with.
I dont know hogaak kind of busted as well
@@akorthouwer they already tested Hogaak vs Eldrazi and the Eldrazi won
@@owithalineybutitsupsidedow923Hogaak is up against Scam though for the top 8 so still could take it.
I don't expect it to, since almost every time anyone has tested the two together Eldrazi eats Hogaak for breakfast, but when you base it solely on one match, anything is possible!
Nope on Eldrazi, nope on Hogaak
Both decks are fully unbanned and have even more cards they can use in Legacy and they see zero play.
Modern Horizons 2 kills them dead. If the swiss hadn't put the the 2020 decks together I would be betting they take all 4 spots.
@@NeoHellPoet If you don't understand the difference in context between the legacy card pool and the modern card pool, with or without MH2, I don't know what to tell you. The decks weren't great in legacy even before MH2, and in fact MH2 actually brought back Hogaak for a bit in that format.
Love the mind games from both players this match. "You still have two turns till you have to worry about the Thought Knot..." and Jamin extending the hand at the end when he attacks into the Displacer.
A+ content. You guys are quickly becoming my favorite Magic channel to watch. Looking forward to the rest of the top 8.
I love this format so much
Fully agree. Can't wait to see the menace that is Hogaak :)
I love this format. But what happened to Jarmin? Where the Eldrazi to hungry? I hope this will heal soon.
He fell off of his bike in his way to work :) he was fine though, though guy
@@CardmarketMagic Wishing him well!
I hope the bruises will go away soon and he will recover complete.@@CardmarketMagic
Really impressed with the production quality and Toralf's psychic powers!
The more-intense-than-usual music really added to the atmosphere! I love watching Eldrazi Winter decks.
I love the characters and the editing in your videos so much, not even WoTC official tournaments come close, keep it up, please!
That's so kind of you to say :) thank you
You guys consistently make such good videos, and the high quality play combined with the super clear editing makes these some of the best MTG gameplay videos I've ever seen!
God, I love these tournament videos so much, they're so well edited and so much fun to watch. Seeing the thought process behind each of your plays is GREAT, it makes the game so much more fun to follow along, and the music is phenomenal, it underscores each of the matches perfectly.
One other thing I really like about these videos is that I only play Pauper, so I don't know anything about Modern as a format, and this is a really nice introduction to the format, to see the top end of what is possible in Modern. I really like it ^^
I'm happy you enjoy the videos :) since pauper is also my favourite format, we'll most likely be doing Pauper next 🥳
I think Thoralf guessed every top deck when Jamin reacted
Love the new editing choices in the beginning! 🔥
Edit: Nit only the beginning, the whole video had very subtle but good new editing!
I just put more effort into this series than the other videos since it's my favourite content to make :) and thank you
Wow, glad the deck that won won. Really excited to see that last bit of the quarterfinals with hogaak vs rakdos scam. 2 newer decks that are prob some of the most broken things we can do in modern with the power creep
I feel like it depends which hogaak version we are playing if it has 4 maindeck leyline of the void like a lot of the lists did during the time its so over
Best video editing on Magic games in the business! So fun to watch and easy to follow.
It would be really cool to see Cardmarket edited videos of major pro matches (like the Worlds finals) with explanations and commentary from your team.
5:57 those boops from the music start actually startled me lol. Could you consider excluding that part the next time you play that track?
ROOTING FOR THE ELDRAZI
Over the last year this has become one of my favorite channels. Yall kill every aspect of the videos 🔥 quality is unreasonably high lol
That cut when Jamin is talking about his starting hand for the second game. *chef's kiss*
You guy's are making some of the best magic content theses days. The edited and overlay is just right. Great work :)
I hope the finals are a best of 5.
Eager to see who reigns victorious.
Great game! Super top quality of the video! Thanks guys!
super fun to watch you all! Thanks for the great content!
Whoa, this video has way better editing out of nowhere! I'm loving it!
Love the play of Jamin at the end. I know a lot of player who would probably fall into the trap. Amazing Video by the way !
Love to see playing Thoralf and Jaimin. Thank you so much for these series, it feels great (maybe not that great in the eldrazi case) to see again these interactions.
Great video. Even with Toralf nerfing drowner by paying a mana for its abbility, Eldrazi still dominated. What a deck.
Banger game and a great format.
Letting the community partake in the voting for the decks was a great idea to involve the viewer and be more invested in the matches, even if you didnt play the format.
Best of luck to you guys❤, but it seems you dont need it😉
Eldrazi were always going to be the New England Patriots of this tournament. They're going to make the finals and if they don't win it will still be nail bitingly close.
For non American sports fans, this is barcelona in la copa.
You can in fact cast matter reshaper with a Cavern of Souls, Cavern taps for colorless. You also don't need to tell your opponent it can be countered
Yeah but willfully withholding public information from your opponent feels like a dick move. Also, the un-counterability from cavern only comes from the second ability, which can only provide colored mana
Matter reshaper costs only one colorless mana in this spot because of the Eye of Ugin and cavern's uncounterable mana is colored mana only.
@@olafthemoose9413 And Cavern still taps for colorless.
@@zym6687In order to be uncounterable, you need to use the mode "add one mana of any color". Colorless is not a color, and can thus not be produced in that mode.
You can still use cavern to create a colorless mana, but that would not grant uncounterable.
@ellisgriffin668 Obviously this video isn't about competitive level play, but in competition, with prizing on the line, there is a big difference between bluffs, dick moves, angle shooting, and cheating
Tapping a land that can legally cast your spell without saying "tap for colorless, would you like to counter this" is on the far left side of that spectrum.
The interaction is visible on the board and it's up to the opponent to catch it and punish it if they can
These videos are so fun to watch. I would love to see you guys to search up decklists of various sets or blocks that 3-0, 6-0'd a draft and have them battle it out the same way. Let's find out what the most powerful limited format was. It would also be cool because you'd have all different cards, no Thoughtseize every game, not two Glorybringer decks in the finals :p
16:40 I've been playing magic since the eye of ugin days but was a total newcomer to the game at that point - but I have to this day never seen that interaction before (not being able to cavern to cast displacer etc since eye makes it cost just the 1 colorless). Cool revisiting that era and learning about the competitive sides of both decks and some of those niche interactions!
Small mistake, at about 4:55 Thoralf drew and played a Hallowed Fountain but the visual aid on screen says he drew and played a flooded strand
Was Jamin in a bike accident or are we not talking about fight club?
We are not talking about bike accident club 🤐
Awesome decks piloted by awesome players, I love this series
Great game, epic background music. Praise our Eldrazi overlords
The editing and music were great 😁👍 Thanks for the awesome episode 😊😁🎉
Thank you :) I'm happy you enjoyed it!
This kind of content is pure gold
If complimenting Carl on the editing & animation gets us more sick animations like that Thought Scour thing, then by god I'm gonna keep complimenting Carl on the editing & animation :)
Flattery will indeed get you more funky animations 😎 thank you!
For the second puzzle, the solution was found through experimentation so it's a bit hard to see what was the actual difference between the attempts. It would have been nice to just recap quickly.
Great content. I love this channel so much.
Thoralf with the backwards cap is an absolute vibe :)
7 mana - look at your hand playing uncomfortably perfect for Death's Shadow lol.
Great video, really enjoying this series!
love this serie and the energy of you guys 🔥
Eldrazi Winter: what if we let Ancient Tomb into Modern, but only for 1 deck
Eye is way better than ancient tomb. Tomb is 2 mana, if you have an eye on the board and seven eligible cards in your hand that is 14 mana. Yeah it’s an extreme case but since it’s a passive effect it is easy for the eye to essentially generate more than 2 mana.
Also without the 2 damage.
I expected the Grixis Shadow deck to be playing Gitaxian Probe. Probe was still legal at the very beginning of January 2017. Of course, it was banned later on that month but it was still technically legal in 2017, if only for a few days! 😂
Awesome game! Jamin & Toffle are so good at magic!
I guess the final will look like the old video "Eldraine Winter vs Hoogaak Summer " ahaha
Love the content as always guys!
Good games.
Feels like Eldrazi v Hogaak is inevitable.
I am curious if people think that deaths shadow was better in this version or right before the lurrus ban with dress down instead of temur battlerage, I’ve played against that list and this list and the games where you can dress down with two deaths shadows and a lurrus to replay them from the graveyard every turn is horrific. Just curious what other modern grinders think
Great video as always!
God, Thoralf just calling that card Jamin bottomed with the second opt in game 1 a thoughtsieze. How does he do it?
I think it has to do with knowing jamin's wincon at that time is getting the dismember out of his hand to push for lethal with temurs battle rage, but also knowing he bottomed it because his life total would be too low had he casted it
that level of experience and intuition is mind blowing to me :0
jamin should not have been able to kolaghan's command the eldrazi mimic at 7:49, when thoralf cast the drowner of hope it became a 5/5 until end of turn
Jamin did it before Toffel went to combat, implying that the trigger is still on the stack
Thoralf’s reads are kinda scary. I know he’s a pro player, but it’s crazy how he’s never surprised or shaken.
12:09 His acting is impeccable LOL
I like the hair thoralf, i was rooting for you at the world championship 😢
16:01 Jamin i saw how u tapped there 😆
Hogaak VS Rakdos Scam is basically MH1 vs MH2: Duel of the Titans
You can make colorless mana with Cavarn. It just won't give the uncounterbility
I have always been an Eldrazi fan
Nice game, Eldrazi are deadly.
Just one small correction, I believe you don't need to pay mana to tap with Drowner of Hope.
Just like in the current modern meta loving deaths shadow is a heartbreaker 😢
I want to know what background music was used for the first game… Haunting, honestly
Time for Preemptive Strike of like!
Around 17:25 it was a mistake to play Chalice for 1 and not 2. The reason is, yeah Shadow is big, but without trample it is hard to lose, so I would have chosen 2, because of Rage.
I wanted to comment but I don't want to spoil anything for people snooping around in the comments😅
Great games!
Eldrazi is and will always be my favorite tribe, rooting for it
Kind of weird to not see Splinter Twin on a list of the top 8 Modern decks of all time, but I guess iconic doesn't necessarily mean most powerful.
Watching some of these old decks makes me wonder, if there was no banlist how would these deck match up against Rakdos scam or murktide. It would be interesting to see if eldrazi with eye of ugin could hang with those decks today or splinter twin etc
I mean, this series is an answer to that :) izzet murktide participated in the tournament and did not even make top 8. Rakdos Scam is in the top 8 single elimination bracket, we'll see how it does in the tournament
@@CardmarketMagic thanks cardmarket gang. Love your stuff from the states and wish cardmarket was here.
I love this series!
Love the Eldrazi! Hope they can pull through
Interesting eldrazi decklist. Considering izzet Eldrazi won the event follow by mono black Colorless Eldrazi and a Azban deck was floating in the event. The Esper version look Like a blast to play
We tested a lot of versions before submitting one for this. The mono black and izzet versions that broke out at the pro tour seemed kind of week and glass-cannon-y compared to a lot of the decks in this event. The version played here is the optimized decklist that came about a month later and eventually got Eye of Ugin banned :)
Thanks for making amazing content. I'm chearing for eldrazi Winter to win
I thought the most "meta" list back in the day was RG eldrazi with simian spirit guide and chalice
We pooled a few pro players from the time to pick the lists and the general concensus was that the UW list with drowner and displacer was the most oppressive. Mainboard chalice wasn't even good anymore since everyone played eldrazi 😅
Wish I could've seen Jamin's facial expression when he initially extended his hand for a handshake 😂
We have an issue with Jamin being too tall for the graphic overlay 😅 we have a conflict of waiting to see Jamin's face but also the card.
Winter came when I first played against it, turn 1, 5 permanents in play and my turn I thought seize cause it’s all I had and ripped nothing. Truly felt like I was in game of thrones right there
3:55 damn dude, the rent, salty, AF big time!
I NEED MORE!!!
Eldrazi Displacer is a seriously powerful card. A three (or one) mana creature that can really take over the game against creature-combat based decks.
is there a reason why not playing snapcaster, kill it with your staticaster and fatal push the displacer?
If you mean minute 20 onwards, there is a Chalice on one. Otherwise it would be a nice play.
YES THE TIME HAS COME!
❤ this series! Keep it up! 🎉🎉🎉
Thoralf looks like a badass gymbro with the backwards cap
This felt like a standard deck vs a modern deck
Judge - How did he cast the snapcaster to block with no blue mana up ?
Hey, what a cool match. I'm looking forward to the upcoming games. 😀
Just one question: Tapping creatures with the drowner doesn't cost mana, right? Or am I missing something. 🤔
Thorald just didn't read drowner of hope 😅
21:42 Should it ETB untapped?
Etbs tapped under its owners control. Displacer is a menace
Love it!
Loving these series, any plans on doing Pauper next?
We'll definitely be doing pauper for this at some point yes :) probably next time we do this series
death's shadow looks like a rly cool deck I was rooting for it
Expecting Hogaak vs Eldrazi in a repeat of that previous feature match lol
Excellent
what happened to Jamin's elbow? 😢
He fell off à bike on the way to work :) he was OK though