When I saw Tinker - I was like there's no shot for the other deck. Then I saw what Tinker went and got and I realized there was a very large shot for the other deck.
@@mopanda81 I'm unfamiliar with the deck, so correct me if i'm off base, but he doesn't have the mana to start making tokens with processor, without metal worker, which he knows isn't likely to actually stick against temur energy, with only a brainstorm in hand, is it really reliable to pick processor still?
@@ThereIsAnExtension2UndoHandles you right but game two he had the mana. game 2 should been turn 1 processor then we have a game 3. That energy decks lines up good against tinker though with abrades harness lighting and counters with pressure all at same time
No offense intended, but I think Tinker would normally win this matchup but the deck plays so differently from modern magic decks that he misplayed it quite a bit. The deck has stalling/control tools. It doesn't have to go all-in to 'combo' as fast as possible to win. You don't really grab colossus when you do a fast tinker, you get processor and pay like 8 life and make a 'colossus' every turn. Could've used the brainstorms in game 1 to find more permanent lands, then shuffled away the bad cards when you tinker. Or just some tangle wires/artifact mana to keep porting opponent lands, instead of taking the risky line that was 1 turn faster but just loses if the colossus gets answered. Also, he could've blocked the whirler virtuoso w/ colossus. It doesn't have flying, just the tokens it makes do. Harness lightning kills it anyways (since he did it right after), abrade kills it anyway. Blocking seems to have no downside other than he trades the virtuoso for 2 more energy, but that seems like a good trade? These old decks have some shitty cards by today's standards, but they also have some REALLY broken cards that you gotta take advantage of. It's like the difference between vintage cube and modern cubes.
Unfortunately he played the deck the way 90% of people played it when legal, just as an on the face explosive combo deck, as some that played the deck extensively when legal, what the deck actually is was a very efficient control deck
I really think Jamin misplayed game 1. If he had gone for activating Rishadan Port and Brainstorming rather than just untapping the big guy, he could have dug deeper to find a more permanent land to keep doing things
He misplayed game two going all-in on the Masticore plan instead of casting Brainstorm and tapping down something with Port. Discarding the Brainstorm was just painful to watch. Could have easily Brainstorm'd, gotten another artifact, put back some stuff he didn't need, then Tinker for anything. Like what is Energy going to even do against a Crumbling Sanctuary or Mishra's Helix?
I think this was more a pilot issue. Tinker can tap down all of the opponent's lands each turn via Mishra's Helix and Rishadan Port or stall out a game with Crumbling Sanctuary. It also has Brainstorm, which may as well be Ancestral Recall after it's followed up with Tinker to shuffle the deck. Instead, Tinker discarded its Brainstorms and fetched out an 8/8 it didn't need right away.
@@nekrataali I was facepalming most of the time to the various plays, just so much not understanding how the deck works as a cohesive whole. Also, there's a lot of meta sensitive context as to why various cards are in (or not in) a deck in the first place.
@@nekrataalidoes that not also speak to the decks power though? If a deck can go toe to toe with a more difficult to use one, is it not pound for pound, play for play stronger?
@@CardmarketMagic definitely understandable - there is a *lot* of great editing in these. I think anyone who has even dabbled in video editing will appreciate the work you put into these!
@@CardmarketMagic As someone who's dabbled in video making and wouldn't dream of producing something like this, I totally understand. We're just excited because this is amazing content, that's why we want more! But the viewers are not the algorithm, we'll take what we can get y'know?
In game 2 in the combat against the hydra I think it would make more sense to ping the hydra in response to the activation, then ping it again in response to the 2nd activation. That way the 2nd ping resolves, meaning the hydra would end up being a 5/4 with 1 damage on it, so they'd trade, effectively giving carl a board of only rogue refiner instead of letting him keep the hydra.
@@elou3853 They make hexproof, you ping, they make hexproof again, you ping again, end result 1 ping resolves and the hydra is a 6/5 with 1 damage on it, which dies in combat to a 4/4.
In the past, I thought it was a good idea to make a format called "Standard Allstars", where you have to pick a specific standard season from the past and build a deck with the available card pool at that time. Other players may of course pick other seasons. This series is just like that and it was fun to watch, thanks for the good and creative content :)
I had stop playing mtg for about 3 or 4 years, and now I found this amazing channel, and I can't stop watching all the videos, such a creative channel, every video is different, with an interesting idea, everyone is so carismatic, and the editing is another level ,this is the best mtg channel ever, good job!
Euer content ist so gut... man versteht alles, dank der tollen Overlays und muss kein MTG-Profi sein, um Spaß daran zu haben. Es wird nicht zu viel, aber auch nicht zu wenig erklärt. Und hab ich schon erwähnt, dass ihr (inklusive Yugioh-Channel-Leuten) alle so verdammt sympathisch rüberkommt? Das macht den meisten Spaß beim Zuschauen!
I love this series! I really hope there are other format tournies we can have. Shame about the result, in my mind - but I definitely see why Energy got banned to oblivion for Standard.
the juxtaposition of these two decks is actually astounding tinker just in your face boom heres a really old big thing on turn two and also i blew up all my own lands while being almost totally colorless while the temur deck is colorful with tons of fancy tricks and powerful shiney modern cards very fun to watch.
Small thing I would have done differently (Yes, I am that guy) at 18:10 - I would have upkeep regenerated Masticore (If they respond with a disenchant effect you can respond with the regenerate again) - and if they don't, then you can rishadan port a land. You do miss out on being able to kill servant of the conduit, but, if they pass turn keeping mana up you're kind of locked in to this plan anyway
This series is awesome, as someone who only entered Magic in the last few years, getting to see all these snapshots of decks from Magic's history stack up against each other is really interesting!
Tinker is still an amazing deck. And Masticore is still a really cool and fun creature (wich could have been tinkered early in game two for a processor or an helix ?). I was almost screaming "don't discard that Brainstorm ! Nooo, not that Tinker ! ". Ah, I feel so smart when I don't have to actually play :D
Absolutely should not have discarded Brainstorm and Tinker. Together, they turn Brainstorm into Ancestral Recall. You aren't winning when your opponent casts Ancestral Recall lol 😄
@@nekrataali How do they turn it into ancestral recall? You can shuffle your library with tinker, but then brainstorm does "draw 3 cards and get rid of two cards", not "draw 3 cards".
This series is so fun to watch! And this Tinker is so weird lol Really shows the old clunky cards that you have to be really good/mindful of to get them to work for you while energy is relatively straightforward in its play pattern. I also noticed that unless you play a lot of weird cubes or stuff like that you're just not used to "jank" like that Tinker deck. It plays so differently from anything we've been playing for well over a decade at this point.
He had everything needed to win, but he punted like 3 times in the first game and several times in game 2. It's like his knowledge of the deck was hurr hurr tinker good, what now?
I feel like Jamin doesn't really know how the tinker deck worked and just missed a few opportunities. There were definitely at least a couple times he let floating blue mana display with a brainstorm in hand which would have helped him chuckle through the deck to get a crumbling sanctuary and phyrexian processor out so he could pay like 10 life safely, keep the mana rocks instead of tinkering them and once he had an army of giant tokens tinker the sanctuary for the win. The masticores and Colossus are good cards in the deck, but they're not really that important to keep in play, they actually are way better sacrificed to tinker to get the main engine going. All that said, is love to see what a competitive updated version of this deck would look like using maybe an Urza or other broken blue cards to keep it competitive
I really wanna say "there were some bad plays" because I have a special place in my heart for Tinker, but just looking at the tempo of each deck made me throw up my hands and admit that Tinker isn't the all powerful monster I remember from my youth q-q Wonderful video and so excited to see the rest of the match-ups. I was sad to see the end of AI magic, but honestly everything you make is fun to watch.
Perhaps the tanglewire could have changed things, but Temur energy just always had more going at every point in the game - more mana, more cards in hand, more creatures, and just more options. I get that Tinker can be very swingy (trust me, I lost a lot to this deck), but it never felt like the opponent was fully on the back foot, just evenly matched at points.
This version is weak and it needs tanglewire to keep up, it wasn't cast even once and I do feel there were misplays. There were better lists of Tinker 3 years prior where faster mana was around, one example is the 1999 deck that uses tinker to get memory jar and uses Megrim to win, powered up by dark ritual mana vault grim monolith and volatic key, running copies of Yawgmoth will and even has protection in the form of Defense Grid mainboard. I feel like Megrim Tinker beats energy pretty handily
Great video as always! Btw. Can we looking forward for more of a Judge Tower? I found that video extremly funny and intriguing and i am hoping for another one! :)
You guys have such creative ideas for content! I've been an EDH boi for years and years but watching you guys is motivating me to get into paper standard
"Oh wow tinker sounds so broken!" Tinker puts a 8/8 with a debuff and a better menace on the board.... Man cards were truly different during those times.
I love this series! Your content is great, i think this channel has become my favorite magic channel these days! Keep up the great work! Can't wait for the next episode
at 21:10, Jamin regenerates his Masticore Carl buffs the Hydra Why doesnt Jamin ping the Hydra here in response? if Carl spends his last 3 energy to attempt to buff the hydra again in response to the ping, then Jamin can ping the Hydra a 2nd time down to 4/2 before it gets its 2 +1/+ counters, and it would die to the 4/4 Masticore.
The text on botanical sanctum is: "Botanical Sanctum enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or fewer other lands.". Since I had 2 other lands, it still enters untapped. If I had played it with 3 other lands, it would have entered tapped
I agree the tinker player had no idea how to really play this deck, he should have gone fo tangle wire, and kill with colosus, later for sanctuary and mishra's helix. And rising waters from the SB.
There's nothing to block. The only creature on the board must be blocked by at least three, so there's no point in not attacking with the single creature you have.
@@joshuacarder5690 I think it's better to take 2 damage than letting Carl have 2 extra energy. Not blocking meant Carl had to spent his entire 8 energy to kill the colossus
@@joshuacarder5690 I thought you were asking why not leave the Virtuoso behind to block. In general it's not worth trying to block a small creature with a larger one when the opponent still has resources up. A single Bladebrand or post-combat damage spell can cause you to lose your big boy, so players usually don't block even in beneficial trades as long as they have enough life.
What I learned from this is that Tinker looks super fun to play, and I wish Standard still had decks built around these kinds of Voltaic Key shenanigans.
Ever since the community post yesterday, I knew people were underestimating the power of temur. I was surprised to see my energy vote be the minority. I think people see the word tinker and just assume that there's good cards to get with it. This was destruction. Loved it.
Jamin really didn't play the deck to its potential. Tinkering for Phyrexian Colossus is unnecessarily aggro given the open decklists, same with never going for the Brainstorms. It's natural given the fact he didn't play the deck back when it was legal, it's a silver bullet tutor deck after all, the Energy deck is comparatively easier to play. The CardKingdom Standard Gauntlet Randy Buehler recorded few years ago was a bit better representation of this deck's power (because the pilots lived through its era and had the reps with it).
Hey, would someone be able to explain why Jamin didn't use brainstorm when he had blue mana open for it? Probably would not have won, but atleast it would get draws going and not burnt mana.
Also why did he go for colossus and not phyrexian processor? The deck wants to put pressure on the opponent and to do so early, you grab processor and pay like 5 life to it. This means every turn, you’re putting one or two creatures into play an pressure the opponent to answer these big constant threats.
*POTENTIAL SPOILER, DONT READ IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH* I was so looking forward to the tinker match, not knowing what the decklist at the time was, but the creatures were definetly left behind by the powercreep. Looking forward to the next fairy match, though! =) Amazing format, I very much love it! Almost a shame we didn't get to see the previous matches, since I lost sooo much against miraris wake back in the days and would love to see it beeing beaten... :D
Super fun video but I’d love to see a redo where a more experienced pilot plays tinker, I really feel Jamin needed more reps on the deck and really misplayed quite a bit due to how diffident the deck plays from modern magic
Are there plans to at least post the results of the mini-tournament to see what beat what to get to the Top 8? I'd especially love to know what decks Prismatic Black Aggro beat to get there!
We did not film the Swiss but we took notes. We might publish a breakdown after the series is over :) and Prismatic Black beat 1996 white weenie, 2003 bant wake, 2016 Bant Humans, 2006 Dragonstorm and then lost to Hazored
This match shows just how broken and efficient energy was a mechanic. Like Carl said in the intro, there was no way to interact with it, and just look at the value it generated in this match: - Potential to fix mana w/Aether Hub and Servant - Destroyed an 8/8 for 1R - Turned a 2/2 into a 5/5 for free - Turned a 4/3 into a 6/5 that had temporary hexproof for free Never mind the 1/1 Thopters that Whirler Virtuoso spits out, or being able to cast Control Magic for 3UU. We saw some fast mana and strong plays from Tinker but it just couldn't keep up.
I'm excited to see what 5 color black can do in this format! I used to play 5 color green and it ran alot of the same ETB critters. Wasn't as good because I think black just had better sideboard tech at the time (plus contagion is an amazing card when all the creatures suck...)
It really shows the difference in magic over the years. The tinker deck has better spells but underpowered creatures (by todays standards) while it’s opposite in newer decks where the spells aren’t as efficient but the creatures are better
Temur was my first standard deck so I'm pretty happy to saw it wins the game. Tinker was also a really good deck, sad to got memory jar banned at that time, or else tinker could have a higher chance to win the game.
Great video as always. The game played out almost exactly as I imagined, though I wasn't even playing at the time of the winning deck (I remember the losing one quite fondly lol). Smug etc etc
got the cards needed to build the Temur Energy deck on my way home from the office after seeing it in this video! I made a few changes to make it more to my liking/since my LGSs didn’t quite have everything I needed
Kinda crazy that 4 of the quarter final decks are pre-2008. My guess in the first video was that Izzet Epiphany or something would just stomp everything but nope. The boomer decks are putting up a good fight.
It's also that there are much more older decks than newer decks (considering we did not get decks for 2012-2013 since worlds those years were for another format), the sheer numbers helped. But also, these old decks were sometimes better than we imagined!
Haven't watched the other videos, is Innistrad's human Naya Blitz deck with Burning Emissary and Mayor of Evabruck in there? What about the original Aristocrats?
@@CardmarketMagic Ah, that's a pity. I immediately think of these when I think about standard decks that were crazy good. Same with 2010ish RDW with that proliferate burn spell and shrine of burning rage.
This was a clinic in exactly how not to play Blue Tinker but to be fair, it’s a difficult, counterintuitive deck to pilot and if you’re not familiar with it, you’ll probably blow it like here. You don’t just empty your hand ASAP like mono red. It rewards slower, more patient play. You need to be looking towards Mishra’s Helix and Rising Waters as paths to victory in a matchup like this. Brainstorms are also very strange in this deck and you need to learn how to use them, like for example stacking your hand with artifacts for metal worker.
this is a long shot but could you guys do a esper vampire deck vs another tribal deck of your choosing, i run esper vamps at my local FNM and it is hella fun.
I'm very curious what the worst decks were, really cool top 8 and looking forward to prismatic black. Wish I could have seen the games with Naya Lightsaber, Wildfire, Rack Control, Doran Rock, and Ghazi Glare as they all seem like super cool decks
Game 1 does feel like a misplay... after sacrificing the land, 2 blue mana floating, tapping down opponents land + untapping the big guy is a massive stretch of luck as it: 1) counts on getting a replacement blue mana source and 2) the opponent having no solution at all to the big guy, who still needs to get in for damage twice. Instead consider, floating 2, casting the first brainstorm and seeing what you have. The option of tapping down the opponents land is still there and if you don't see a new blue source you also have the option of firing off the second brainstorm and digging another card deeper
Could you show the whole swiss table and maybe round by round score of each deck in the next video, or just put it up somewhere on the webside? Id be grateful
I looked at the tinker deck, and I just have to say this: It's a pretty complex deck to grasp! On one hand, there's Mishra's Helix, to lock out your opponent Then, there's also Phyrexian Colossus and Masticore for the beat down Rishaldan's port, Tangle Wire, and Masticore for board control Finally, there's Crumbling Sanctuary + Phyrexian Processor for a mill strategy! One of the problems with the deck is the lack of card draw to back up the inclusion Masticore with the "I'm dumping my hand" mentality of the deck The deck seems to just kind of goes all in on one strategy depending on what it's facing, because without card advantage, it's hard to pivot to another strategy once one strategy doesn't work! There may have been a world where landing an early Mishra's Helix would've won the game, but it's a tough call. The other thing that could've been done is to go for an early Crumbling Sanctuary and just hope to delay the game long enough to find the missing pieces to put out a mill win! It's really hard to say... This deck is hard!
Using port earlier in the game to lock your opponent out of lands and stop tempo is pretty much the crux of any port deck, but especially potent in a deck that just makes all the mana. Jamin also had the chance to ping the hydra down after combat instead of the refiner and that might've been better for him in the long run.
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When I saw Tinker - I was like there's no shot for the other deck. Then I saw what Tinker went and got and I realized there was a very large shot for the other deck.
processor on 5 or 6 make infinite 5/5s or 6/6s is usually the ideal play.
Yea I was surprised he didn't grab the processor. Must not have watched finkle play the deck.
@@mopanda81 I'm unfamiliar with the deck, so correct me if i'm off base, but he doesn't have the mana to start making tokens with processor, without metal worker, which he knows isn't likely to actually stick against temur energy, with only a brainstorm in hand, is it really reliable to pick processor still?
@@ThereIsAnExtension2UndoHandles you right but game two he had the mana. game 2 should been turn 1 processor then we have a game 3. That energy decks lines up good against tinker though with abrades harness lighting and counters with pressure all at same time
@@joshuaadams5295 ah, fair enough. I assumed the comment was talking about game one for some reason. my bad
No offense intended, but I think Tinker would normally win this matchup but the deck plays so differently from modern magic decks that he misplayed it quite a bit. The deck has stalling/control tools. It doesn't have to go all-in to 'combo' as fast as possible to win.
You don't really grab colossus when you do a fast tinker, you get processor and pay like 8 life and make a 'colossus' every turn. Could've used the brainstorms in game 1 to find more permanent lands, then shuffled away the bad cards when you tinker. Or just some tangle wires/artifact mana to keep porting opponent lands, instead of taking the risky line that was 1 turn faster but just loses if the colossus gets answered. Also, he could've blocked the whirler virtuoso w/ colossus. It doesn't have flying, just the tokens it makes do. Harness lightning kills it anyways (since he did it right after), abrade kills it anyway. Blocking seems to have no downside other than he trades the virtuoso for 2 more energy, but that seems like a good trade?
These old decks have some shitty cards by today's standards, but they also have some REALLY broken cards that you gotta take advantage of. It's like the difference between vintage cube and modern cubes.
The mana was pretty badly used on Jamin's part. There were numerous instances for brainstorm in both match and it wasn't used.
Unfortunately he played the deck the way 90% of people played it when legal, just as an on the face explosive combo deck, as some that played the deck extensively when legal, what the deck actually is was a very efficient control deck
@@itxslowx96zThing is the person that top 8ed the deck wasn't playing it like a madlad
A helix to perma tap his opponents lands would have been good too
I really think Jamin misplayed game 1. If he had gone for activating Rishadan Port and Brainstorming rather than just untapping the big guy, he could have dug deeper to find a more permanent land to keep doing things
Definitely agree that he underused those brainstorms, card is busted!
He also didn't need to sacrifice Crystal Vein. He left a colorless in his pool at the end.
Yea watching game one felt like watching someone throw a game.
He misplayed game two going all-in on the Masticore plan instead of casting Brainstorm and tapping down something with Port. Discarding the Brainstorm was just painful to watch. Could have easily Brainstorm'd, gotten another artifact, put back some stuff he didn't need, then Tinker for anything.
Like what is Energy going to even do against a Crumbling Sanctuary or Mishra's Helix?
Tinker was not the easiest deck to play. He definitely could have done better.
Feels like with old cards they have the most broken Mana accelaration possible, but they have really bad payoffs for that accelleration
I think this was more a pilot issue. Tinker can tap down all of the opponent's lands each turn via Mishra's Helix and Rishadan Port or stall out a game with Crumbling Sanctuary. It also has Brainstorm, which may as well be Ancestral Recall after it's followed up with Tinker to shuffle the deck.
Instead, Tinker discarded its Brainstorms and fetched out an 8/8 it didn't need right away.
@@nekrataali it does look suprisingly hard to pilot, especially in comparison to the energy deck lol
@@nekrataali I was facepalming most of the time to the various plays, just so much not understanding how the deck works as a cohesive whole.
Also, there's a lot of meta sensitive context as to why various cards are in (or not in) a deck in the first place.
@@nekrataalidoes that not also speak to the decks power though? If a deck can go toe to toe with a more difficult to use one, is it not pound for pound, play for play stronger?
I really hope the semi-finals and/or finals are best of 5! These are so much fun to watch
or best of 27
Unfortunately, we did best of 3. These videos take half my work week to make so making them longer is simply not possible, sorry
@@CardmarketMagic definitely understandable - there is a *lot* of great editing in these. I think anyone who has even dabbled in video editing will appreciate the work you put into these!
@@CardmarketMagic As someone who's dabbled in video making and wouldn't dream of producing something like this, I totally understand. We're just excited because this is amazing content, that's why we want more! But the viewers are not the algorithm, we'll take what we can get y'know?
Maybe in the future then, if it gets monitized enough. Real however negative it souds, I hope it will!
In game 2 in the combat against the hydra I think it would make more sense to ping the hydra in response to the activation, then ping it again in response to the 2nd activation. That way the 2nd ping resolves, meaning the hydra would end up being a 5/4 with 1 damage on it, so they'd trade, effectively giving carl a board of only rogue refiner instead of letting him keep the hydra.
can't ping in response to the second activation, the first give it hexproof
@@elou3853 if you ping in response to the first activation, he has to respond before it gains hexproof. Then the second ping can still happen.
@@elou3853 They make hexproof, you ping, they make hexproof again, you ping again, end result 1 ping resolves and the hydra is a 6/5 with 1 damage on it, which dies in combat to a 4/4.
@@elou3853you do it while the activitations are on the stack
yeah that was a punt, also Karl (or Carl, I'm sorry if I'm mistaken) made some dubious plays
I was just thinking today that I can't wait for the next episode and here it is! Love the gameplay guys
Thank you! :)
In the past, I thought it was a good idea to make a format called "Standard Allstars", where you have to pick a specific standard season from the past and build a deck with the available card pool at that time. Other players may of course pick other seasons. This series is just like that and it was fun to watch, thanks for the good and creative content :)
this is my favorite magic gameplay channel, i love seeing all the guests but also the main hosts are great (bring back remy!)
I second this, bring back Remy!
LOVE the old border cards to show the hand!
Yeah the old borders were better, not sure what they were thinking in 2003 when they changed them 😂
@26:36 is the face of a man who is enjoying seeing a good friend go off.
I had stop playing mtg for about 3 or 4 years, and now I found this amazing channel, and I can't stop watching all the videos, such a creative channel, every video is different, with an interesting idea, everyone is so carismatic, and the editing is another level ,this is the best mtg channel ever, good job!
Thank you :D these are such kind words and high praise ❤️
I love this series. I genuinely look forward to each installment like its a tv show.
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is this the first time we've seen energy on cardmarket matches? i'm ~energized~ to see it :)
It is! :)
Euer content ist so gut... man versteht alles, dank der tollen Overlays und muss kein MTG-Profi sein, um Spaß daran zu haben. Es wird nicht zu viel, aber auch nicht zu wenig erklärt. Und hab ich schon erwähnt, dass ihr (inklusive Yugioh-Channel-Leuten) alle so verdammt sympathisch rüberkommt? Das macht den meisten Spaß beim Zuschauen!
I love this series! I really hope there are other format tournies we can have.
Shame about the result, in my mind - but I definitely see why Energy got banned to oblivion for Standard.
the juxtaposition of these two decks is actually astounding tinker just in your face boom heres a really old big thing on turn two and also i blew up all my own lands while being almost totally colorless while the temur deck is colorful with tons of fancy tricks and powerful shiney modern cards very fun to watch.
Small thing I would have done differently (Yes, I am that guy) at 18:10 - I would have upkeep regenerated Masticore (If they respond with a disenchant effect you can respond with the regenerate again) - and if they don't, then you can rishadan port a land.
You do miss out on being able to kill servant of the conduit, but, if they pass turn keeping mana up you're kind of locked in to this plan anyway
This series is awesome, as someone who only entered Magic in the last few years, getting to see all these snapshots of decks from Magic's history stack up against each other is really interesting!
Thanks for showcasing these older decks! What a magic festival here;) Much love, Marek
Thank you Marek :)
Tinker is still an amazing deck. And Masticore is still a really cool and fun creature (wich could have been tinkered early in game two for a processor or an helix ?).
I was almost screaming "don't discard that Brainstorm ! Nooo, not that Tinker ! ". Ah, I feel so smart when I don't have to actually play :D
Absolutely should not have discarded Brainstorm and Tinker. Together, they turn Brainstorm into Ancestral Recall. You aren't winning when your opponent casts Ancestral Recall lol 😄
@@nekrataali How do they turn it into ancestral recall? You can shuffle your library with tinker, but then brainstorm does "draw 3 cards and get rid of two cards", not "draw 3 cards".
@@wastastroma8075Brainstorm then Tinker shuffles the deck.
@Eldritch_Panda31 I know, but ancestral recall gives you 3 cards and brainstorm with shuffle gives you 3 and takes away 2.
@@wastastroma8075 It would have been a lot better than what he did
This series is so fun to watch! And this Tinker is so weird lol
Really shows the old clunky cards that you have to be really good/mindful of to get them to work for you while energy is relatively straightforward in its play pattern.
I also noticed that unless you play a lot of weird cubes or stuff like that you're just not used to "jank" like that Tinker deck. It plays so differently from anything we've been playing for well over a decade at this point.
He had everything needed to win, but he punted like 3 times in the first game and several times in game 2. It's like his knowledge of the deck was hurr hurr tinker good, what now?
I feel like Jamin doesn't really know how the tinker deck worked and just missed a few opportunities. There were definitely at least a couple times he let floating blue mana display with a brainstorm in hand which would have helped him chuckle through the deck to get a crumbling sanctuary and phyrexian processor out so he could pay like 10 life safely, keep the mana rocks instead of tinkering them and once he had an army of giant tokens tinker the sanctuary for the win. The masticores and Colossus are good cards in the deck, but they're not really that important to keep in play, they actually are way better sacrificed to tinker to get the main engine going.
All that said, is love to see what a competitive updated version of this deck would look like using maybe an Urza or other broken blue cards to keep it competitive
literally the best series on TH-cam🔥
24:46 he didn’t tap his Aetherhub for the extra red he needed and lose the 1 energy.
I really wanna say "there were some bad plays" because I have a special place in my heart for Tinker, but just looking at the tempo of each deck made me throw up my hands and admit that Tinker isn't the all powerful monster I remember from my youth q-q
Wonderful video and so excited to see the rest of the match-ups. I was sad to see the end of AI magic, but honestly everything you make is fun to watch.
But that's the thing about Tinker...it doesn't have to be fast. It has four Tanglewires mainboard lol.
Perhaps the tanglewire could have changed things, but Temur energy just always had more going at every point in the game - more mana, more cards in hand, more creatures, and just more options. I get that Tinker can be very swingy (trust me, I lost a lot to this deck), but it never felt like the opponent was fully on the back foot, just evenly matched at points.
This version is weak and it needs tanglewire to keep up, it wasn't cast even once and I do feel there were misplays.
There were better lists of Tinker 3 years prior where faster mana was around, one example is the 1999 deck that uses tinker to get memory jar and uses Megrim to win, powered up by dark ritual mana vault grim monolith and volatic key, running copies of Yawgmoth will and even has protection in the form of Defense Grid mainboard.
I feel like Megrim Tinker beats energy pretty handily
Ｇ1 opponent answering colossus is exactly why I always felt the default play with tinker was phyrexian processor.
Perfect timing. Love these.
Love the way Carl explains the deck specs :')
If Cardmarket doesn't get to 100k subs by the end of this series we riot.
Great video as always!
Btw. Can we looking forward for more of a Judge Tower? I found that video extremly funny and intriguing and i am hoping for another one! :)
We planning on flying a very special guest over from the US for the next judge tower :)
@@CardmarketMagic Niiiice, looking forward to it!! :)
You guys have such creative ideas for content! I've been an EDH boi for years and years but watching you guys is motivating me to get into paper standard
Love this series. Very fun to watch. Kudos to the Cardmarket Team 😁
Heck yeah, been waiting for this one to drop!
"Oh wow tinker sounds so broken!" Tinker puts a 8/8 with a debuff and a better menace on the board.... Man cards were truly different during those times.
I love this series! Your content is great, i think this channel has become my favorite magic channel these days! Keep up the great work! Can't wait for the next episode
Thank you :D that's so kind of you to say
at 21:10,
Jamin regenerates his Masticore
Carl buffs the Hydra
Why doesnt Jamin ping the Hydra here in response?
if Carl spends his last 3 energy to attempt to buff the hydra again in response to the ping, then Jamin can ping the Hydra a 2nd time down to 4/2 before it gets its 2 +1/+ counters, and it would die to the 4/4 Masticore.
cause mistakes
i thought he would take the colossus instead of destroying it.
The editing is on fire!
Thank you :)
17:39 why didn’t it enter tapped
The text on botanical sanctum is:
"Botanical Sanctum enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or fewer other lands.". Since I had 2 other lands, it still enters untapped. If I had played it with 3 other lands, it would have entered tapped
I agree the tinker player had no idea how to really play this deck, he should have gone fo tangle wire, and kill with colosus, later for sanctuary and mishra's helix. And rising waters from the SB.
Please do more of these for Modern, Legacy, etc! This series is so entertaining!
Nice, a new Cardmarket video to watch while having dinner.
I love how Carl explains his cards in much the same way a Yugioh character would 😂
Great video. Would love to see a version of this series for current Pioneer decks
Babe wake up, new Quest for the Best Deck Ever
this has been a weekly tune in for me, I cant wait for the results
08:36 This is a really weird attack. Why not block the Virtuoso with the Colossus? Am I missing something?
There's nothing to block. The only creature on the board must be blocked by at least three, so there's no point in not attacking with the single creature you have.
@@RokaiMusic But the Colossus could have (and should have) blocked the attacking Whirler Virtuoso, as it was untapped at that stage.
@@joshuacarder5690 I think it's better to take 2 damage than letting Carl have 2 extra energy. Not blocking meant Carl had to spent his entire 8 energy to kill the colossus
@@joshuacarder5690 I thought you were asking why not leave the Virtuoso behind to block.
In general it's not worth trying to block a small creature with a larger one when the opponent still has resources up. A single Bladebrand or post-combat damage spell can cause you to lose your big boy, so players usually don't block even in beneficial trades as long as they have enough life.
@@RokaiMusic bro he's not stupid, I trade 2 energy for your virtuoso all day
Uff, I thought there is no way to handle a Turn 2 Tinker but I forgot how bad the creatures were back then :D
Crazy to see both power creep and old power cards actually competing
What I learned from this is that Tinker looks super fun to play, and I wish Standard still had decks built around these kinds of Voltaic Key shenanigans.
Ever since the community post yesterday, I knew people were underestimating the power of temur. I was surprised to see my energy vote be the minority. I think people see the word tinker and just assume that there's good cards to get with it. This was destruction. Loved it.
Jamin really didn't play the deck to its potential. Tinkering for Phyrexian Colossus is unnecessarily aggro given the open decklists, same with never going for the Brainstorms. It's natural given the fact he didn't play the deck back when it was legal, it's a silver bullet tutor deck after all, the Energy deck is comparatively easier to play. The CardKingdom Standard Gauntlet Randy Buehler recorded few years ago was a bit better representation of this deck's power (because the pilots lived through its era and had the reps with it).
Hey, would someone be able to explain why Jamin didn't use brainstorm when he had blue mana open for it? Probably would not have won, but atleast it would get draws going and not burnt mana.
Also why did he go for colossus and not phyrexian processor? The deck wants to put pressure on the opponent and to do so early, you grab processor and pay like 5 life to it. This means every turn, you’re putting one or two creatures into play an pressure the opponent to answer these big constant threats.
Indeed I don't think I would have been able to beat a phyrexian processor on turn 2 in game 1 with the cards I had available.
- Carl
Great series! Thanks guys!
best format on this channel so far!!!
pls do it again with modern block whatever. Just bring it back!
This was a great game, I thought temur would win, but Tinker was fun to watch and seeing Jamin cheat in all those cool old artifacts was fun.
The Tinker deck is so cool! Reminds me of using Transmute artifact to pick up my Colossus of Sardia 🎉
I'm excited because I guessed right about energy just having a better/faster plan than I guessed tinker had.
*POTENTIAL SPOILER, DONT READ IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH*
I was so looking forward to the tinker match, not knowing what the decklist at the time was, but the creatures were definetly left behind by the powercreep. Looking forward to the next fairy match, though! =) Amazing format, I very much love it! Almost a shame we didn't get to see the previous matches, since I lost sooo much against miraris wake back in the days and would love to see it beeing beaten... :D
My friends and I did this over the pandemic it was super fun!
love this new series
Since the announcement of this series I was hoping to see the first and fully powered deck to play against its modern opponents, please bring it in!
Super fun video but I’d love to see a redo where a more experienced pilot plays tinker, I really feel Jamin needed more reps on the deck and really misplayed quite a bit due to how diffident the deck plays from modern magic
Great series, really enjoying the games.
Thanks! I hope you'll also enjoy the next 3 episodes :) we're getting to the Semi-finals!
Are there any articles about how the decks did during the Swiss rounds?
No, we took notes though and might do a breakdown in the finals video :)
Are there plans to at least post the results of the mini-tournament to see what beat what to get to the Top 8? I'd especially love to know what decks Prismatic Black Aggro beat to get there!
We did not film the Swiss but we took notes. We might publish a breakdown after the series is over :) and Prismatic Black beat 1996 white weenie, 2003 bant wake, 2016 Bant Humans, 2006 Dragonstorm and then lost to Hazored
This match shows just how broken and efficient energy was a mechanic. Like Carl said in the intro, there was no way to interact with it, and just look at the value it generated in this match:
- Potential to fix mana w/Aether Hub and Servant
- Destroyed an 8/8 for 1R
- Turned a 2/2 into a 5/5 for free
- Turned a 4/3 into a 6/5 that had temporary hexproof for free
Never mind the 1/1 Thopters that Whirler Virtuoso spits out, or being able to cast Control Magic for 3UU.
We saw some fast mana and strong plays from Tinker but it just couldn't keep up.
This is a good series.
I'm excited to see what 5 color black can do in this format! I used to play 5 color green and it ran alot of the same ETB critters. Wasn't as good because I think black just had better sideboard tech at the time (plus contagion is an amazing card when all the creatures suck...)
It has access to such powerful colour hosers and land destruction!
@@CardmarketMagic yeah, dystopia is crazy... I did have LD though, thermokarst! it just wasn't as good as choking sands
Amazing video and series ! Go on guys! ❤❤
Thank you :D
I'm sad to see Tinker fall, but that was my prediction. Well played Carl and Jamin!
Thank u guys! Great work as always 😊
Thank you :)
It really shows the difference in magic over the years. The tinker deck has better spells but underpowered creatures (by todays standards) while it’s opposite in newer decks where the spells aren’t as efficient but the creatures are better
Are the swiss round available to be watched anywhete?
We did not film them, but we took notes and might do a breakdown in the finals video :)
@@CardmarketMagic I would've watched all of them if you guys had. No other MTG content creator has done this yet.
Quick question, How did you pay the 2nd red for Glory Bringer at 24:40? You're 2nd red source was tapped by the port.
Aether Hub
You can see me put a root bound crag on the table a second before I play the glorybringer :)
With the Aether Hub, he can filter one energy into red mana. He tapped it in the end of the turn
aether hub, looks like they forgot to pay the energy but it didn't matter in the end
The one energy land can tap for any mana if it uses an energy , and he had the energy to do so, as well as drawing the rootbound crag off the top
This series is awesome!
8:30 why didn't the colossus block?
Temur was my first standard deck so I'm pretty happy to saw it wins the game. Tinker was also a really good deck, sad to got memory jar banned at that time, or else tinker could have a higher chance to win the game.
Great video as always. The game played out almost exactly as I imagined, though I wasn't even playing at the time of the winning deck (I remember the losing one quite fondly lol). Smug etc etc
got the cards needed to build the Temur Energy deck on my way home from the office after seeing it in this video! I made a few changes to make it more to my liking/since my LGSs didn’t quite have everything I needed
Kinda crazy that 4 of the quarter final decks are pre-2008. My guess in the first video was that Izzet Epiphany or something would just stomp everything but nope. The boomer decks are putting up a good fight.
It's also that there are much more older decks than newer decks (considering we did not get decks for 2012-2013 since worlds those years were for another format), the sheer numbers helped. But also, these old decks were sometimes better than we imagined!
in 25:40 for glorybringer you should pay one energy for aether hub, cause mountain was tapped by port
That is correct. We missed it. Good thing it did not end up mattering :)
I have never seen a Energy deck (didn't play Magic at the time it was a thing) and it looks really fun.
Haven't watched the other videos, is Innistrad's human Naya Blitz deck with Burning Emissary and Mayor of Evabruck in there? What about the original Aristocrats?
Neither of those won Worlds. But unfortunately, neither got to compete since the top 8 of worlds that year was modern
@@CardmarketMagic Ah, that's a pity. I immediately think of these when I think about standard decks that were crazy good. Same with 2010ish RDW with that proliferate burn spell and shrine of burning rage.
I absolutely adore energy, hope it'll find it way to the first place!
I feel happy I predicted it correctly, Temur Energy was amazingly good.
More of this
I love that the cards in the UI have the old card border style.
This was a clinic in exactly how not to play Blue Tinker but to be fair, it’s a difficult, counterintuitive deck to pilot and if you’re not familiar with it, you’ll probably blow it like here. You don’t just empty your hand ASAP like mono red. It rewards slower, more patient play. You need to be looking towards Mishra’s Helix and Rising Waters as paths to victory in a matchup like this. Brainstorms are also very strange in this deck and you need to learn how to use them, like for example stacking your hand with artifacts for metal worker.
Really a great series from an awesome group!
I'm glad to see that no 2020+ deck made it to the top 8
this is a long shot but could you guys do a esper vampire deck vs another tribal deck of your choosing, i run esper vamps at my local FNM and it is hella fun.
What format do you play it in? Standard?
@@CardmarketMagic modern
I'm very curious what the worst decks were, really cool top 8 and looking forward to prismatic black. Wish I could have seen the games with Naya Lightsaber, Wildfire, Rack Control, Doran Rock, and Ghazi Glare as they all seem like super cool decks
We might do this again in the future with the remaining decks if this series does well :) wildfire almost made the top 8
I like this series! Do it more! ❤
Game 1 does feel like a misplay... after sacrificing the land, 2 blue mana floating, tapping down opponents land + untapping the big guy is a massive stretch of luck as it: 1) counts on getting a replacement blue mana source and 2) the opponent having no solution at all to the big guy, who still needs to get in for damage twice.
Instead consider, floating 2, casting the first brainstorm and seeing what you have. The option of tapping down the opponents land is still there and if you don't see a new blue source you also have the option of firing off the second brainstorm and digging another card deeper
This makes me miss the old Gauntlet of Greatness tournaments CardKingdom did 7-8 years ago using many of these same decks.
Randy Buehler did some great work :)
@@CardmarketMagic agreed, can't wait to see how this series plays out, thank you so much for doing this!
Could you show the whole swiss table and maybe round by round score of each deck in the next video, or just put it up somewhere on the webside? Id be grateful
We didn't film the Swiss but we did take notes. We might include them in the finals video
I looked at the tinker deck, and I just have to say this: It's a pretty complex deck to grasp!
On one hand, there's Mishra's Helix, to lock out your opponent
Then, there's also Phyrexian Colossus and Masticore for the beat down
Rishaldan's port, Tangle Wire, and Masticore for board control
Finally, there's Crumbling Sanctuary + Phyrexian Processor for a mill strategy!
One of the problems with the deck is the lack of card draw to back up the inclusion Masticore with the "I'm dumping my hand" mentality of the deck
The deck seems to just kind of goes all in on one strategy depending on what it's facing, because without card advantage, it's hard to pivot to another strategy once one strategy doesn't work!
There may have been a world where landing an early Mishra's Helix would've won the game, but it's a tough call.
The other thing that could've been done is to go for an early Crumbling Sanctuary and just hope to delay the game long enough to find the missing pieces to put out a mill win!
It's really hard to say... This deck is hard!
brainstorm is the best non-power cheap card advantage in the game. the guy just obviously doesn't play vintage or legacy
No matter how broken tinker is, it can't make up for how bad creatures were in 1999.
Using port earlier in the game to lock your opponent out of lands and stop tempo is pretty much the crux of any port deck, but especially potent in a deck that just makes all the mana. Jamin also had the chance to ping the hydra down after combat instead of the refiner and that might've been better for him in the long run.
The hydra gains hexproof till end of turn
This is my favorite TH-cam channel of all time. Please sell in the US so I can give you money!!!
Maybe one day if we grow enough we'll make it to the US :)