I think him being upset at not being chosen to fight COULD absolutely push him to actually try a little harder, don't think he'd use the dragonballs to age slower tho, and I also don't think he'd be able to train for 10 years straight by himself. I think I'd have rather Yamcha just push Vegeta to SSJ 2 at max, as even with the temporary decrease in power, this is still a SSJ God aborbed Vegeta, so him going SSJ 2 is already MILES above where Yamcha already is. Even though it is a massive increase, it's believable (to a degree) especially if he has to use Kaioken 5x(+) to push him that far. I would have also liked to have seen Tien included, something about being extremely bitter with how he went out in the TOP. This makes the story actually believable as they'd both be able to push each other further, which is shown to be much more beneficial. It would also be a perfect little nostalgia trip for OG dragonball fans
It's one thing I've never understood w/ people who like to argue that there's no point in making the humans stronger or that it's impossible to do. They always base the concept of being strong on the idea of the humans matching Goku & Vegeta (cause they don't really care about Gohan) in their strongest forms. This is a baseless argument to make because 1) the humans don't have to match Goku & Vegeta's blue forms to be strong, 2) we've seen several other characters reach that level of strength (Jiren, #17, Caulifa & Kale) w/out even needing god ki, and 3) there are PLENTY of tools/techniques/training in the series that if used could theoretically place the humans on at least SSJ2 or even SSJ3 level. Which is plenty strong enough in & of itself. I literally developed my own series of Kaioken techniques years ago, that utilize the same concepts that Plus did in this video.
@@Crimson_Titan You did not "develop" your own kaioken lil bro 💀 Nah but I agree, there doesn't need to be some asspull transformation or some tingly little feeling in their balls or something, just having Kaioken would help. I definitely think Kaioken could be pushed much further, as even tho Goku uses 20x stacked on SSJ Blue, I doubt it's something he's put much effort or thought into. Have the Humans finally unlock it's true potential and basically have mastered SSJ Blue but Kaioken. There's also just Roshi's buff form, Yamcha (to my knowledge at least) didn't get any potential unlocks from the kais or elder guru or whoever else. You could just follow this same concept and have the humans or at least one of them, likely Tien, focus on the more spiritual and ki side of things, eventually being able to not only notice, but actually harness God-ki. This alone could open the door to many more opportunities
@@gwilkes5325 Actually, yes I did, and I doubt I'm your lil bro as I'm likely older than you kid. I have entire pages online going back years, close to a decade, utilizing different aspects of kaioken that I came up w/, like the one mentioned in this video. Also, I'll never understand why so many fans are in love w/ Roshi's buff form. There's never been any indication that it provides any real power increase benefit, and mainly seems to be simply a visual effect. Plus, there're are much more effective versions of it that actually do provide power increases, such as both Namekian & Makyan buff forms. Harnessing god ki is a solid option, but that's honestly clearly been relegated to something exclusively wielded only by Goku & Vegeta. I would love to see it, but it would require Whis being willing to take the humans to Beerus' planet & allow them to train there to master it, and there's really no reason for him to do that. Plus, making god forms as common as the SSJ transformation would devalue it in the same way. Hence why the writers chose to make up new forms for Gohan & Piccolo that rival god forms in strength, rather than having them train to learn god ki themselves.
I like the idea, I feel that even when the earthlings get screen time or train up, it amounts to nothing cause the villain is just to strong and vegeta gets destroyed so goku save the day again😪. Dragon ball needs some changes.
Facts, same w/ me, though it was also the disrespect they showed toward Piccolo that made me quit the series. The fact that they only recently gave Piccolo some shine in the Super Hero movie is the only thing that gives me a sliver of hope that Yamcha could finally be redeemed as well.
if i were yamcha id feel like absolute sh*t knowing 3 of his friends being tien krillin and goku fighting together in the tournament and being cast aside for master roshi who yamcha surpassed
Not only that but also cast aside for Frieza, who literally only committed mass genocide throughout the universe & tried to kill said friends several times over the years. Goku, Krillin & Tien should all be ashamed of themselves for doing that to that man.
@@MaRgEd.ZamaSU Nah, I can't blame Vegeta because he's never pretended to be a friend to Yamcha. That's different from Goku, Krillin & Tien, who were all supposed to be his friends.
Cool vid! I would’ve liked to see Yamcha begin this process after dying and hearing from Goku about his Yardrat training. Then Yamcha could’ve been a beast for the androids and played into the saga more.
I always thought to myself of this idea to make a human powerful: Train with roshi, train with korin, be strong enough to drink ultra divine water, train with kami, find a way to train with king kai and learn kaioken, train on high gravity, get potential unlock on namek, learn spirit control. Then we have a really powerful warrior of both mind and body but this idea is really fun to see, i like it a lot, especially with my favorite character Yamcha
It is crazy that master Roshi went instead… mfer was weaker than OG king piccolo. I get that it was fan service especially with his final speech but still, makes no sense.
@@Pride_Sagenot only that, but Roshi's whole character arc was about passing the torch to the next generation. Fans conveniently ignore that, as did the writers when they opted to shoe-horn him back into the spotlight.
Literally me in db verse 💀💀💀💀, the earthling are clearly nerfed by having memory issues. I would literally just spend time in the time chamber and go to king kai to learn kaioken, go to yardrat to learn advanced techniques, request whis to train for god ki, try to learn UI, i would try every way to get stronger.
@@Pride_SageI have a question , doss that mean Broly died against Gogeta? Because back on earth , the DragonBalls are not useable for another 6 months due to Yamcha using them to wish for his prime and to teleport to Yadarat and without the DragonBalls , Chelai can't wish Shenron to return Broly to Vampa before he is hit by the Final Kamehameha unless Broly miraculously survived the blast , also does Yamcha becoming stronger have an affect on the Superheroes movie?
Yes Broly survived, I have a legitimate reason for why he made it out, but i want to explain it for when he comes back(small spoiler) and yes, yamcha growth does have a ripple effect that changes everything with the superhero movie, which is the Arc right after Tien’s. Speaking of which Tien has two more videos this month so stay tuned!
This is a great bridge to what does happen in the Moro arch. Yamcha joins training with Piccolo and Gohan, and gets right back on equal levels with Tien and Krillen . He also wins his fights vs Moro's minions. Go Yamcha! I hope they animate it because the MANGA finally treated him well
Hey Pride Sage! Love the story so far its great! My favorite part is Yamcha using the dragon balls to be younger and age slowly. And him using that to his advantage to learn spirit control, instant transmissions, training 10 years in the Room Of Spirit N Time mastering Kiao Ken!!! Pride Sage you've been saying what I've been thinking for a while now. I've often wondered why the other human z fighters haven't done the same thing with making themselves younger and spending extreme time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber!!! Thank you for this What If Pride Sage👍
Glad you like the story so far. I tried to make it as reasonable as possible, so that way yamcha will have a chance to be great for once. Thank you for watching t-bone!
The Earthlings ARE strong they just so happen to be sharing the planet with anomalies ( the last 2 sayians in existence (broly doesn't count cause hes not on earth) The last Namekian Warrior, and manmade weapons of mas destruction (the androids).
Then having the Shenron once again Boost yamcha pulling a Piccolo in the Superhero movie, unlocking his power ever more. He can do this considering, that Gohan has had his "potential" unlocked twice as well in the namek saga and the Buu Saga.
*Slap some Mystic+Kaioken×20 Form on Krillin, Yamcha and Tien and they're on par with SSBK×20 Goku since Base Humans are on Par with Base Saiyans (Raditz got stomped by Tien and Yamcha)* *Strongest Humans currently are Android 17 and 18*
During the time skip between Demon King Piccolo and Picolo Jr, 3 dragon wishes Between the time skip between DB and DBZ, 5 more dragon wishes Between the time skip between Cell and Buu, 14 more dragon wishes that's 22 wishes people. Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chaotsu could have wished for immortality early one when they could, then things like regeneration and other useful upgrades multiple times over.
really. yamcha is the forgetable dude. krilin: bald, noseless. tien: bald, three eyes. chaoz: bald, white skin. roshi: bald, old, pevert. piccolo: bald, green skin. buu: bald, pink skin. yamcha: average black hair, average eye color, average color skin, average intelligence, ... his most defining trait is that he's an average human. and he will never become powerful. you need to be bald, saiyan or android. if yamcha wants to power-up. he should cut his hair and/or become an android.
@@Pride_Sage no. I'm not saying he has to be like saitama. but, it's another character that proves my point. in anime, being bald increases your power!!!
Gohan's Ultimate form multiplies his base form by 500 times, so how much would Yamcha's Ultimate form multiply? I'm writing a What if and I'm not sure which multiplier to use
@@Pride_Sage 500 too? I was surprised, from what I saw, people usually put it lower than 45, because they use Krillin's multiplier when he had his hidden power unlocked by Elder Guru. From my research it seems like everyone has a different view of Ultimate lol Most of them interpret that Gohan's form has the power of the Ultra SSJ transformation into the base form, because he was stronger than Goku SSJ3 who has a 400x multiplier, but Elder Kai's ritual is described as not only unlocking the hidden potential but also elevates it far beyond the limits… What is your interpretation of the form? To be honest I still don't know which interpretation to use lol
The earthlings can’t be strong like the rest of the aliens because that’s what it means to be human, humans by nature are fragile, if they are anything like the namekians or the saiyans they won’t be considered earthlings at all.
not really yamcha and krillin were extremely powerful in the original show not that much below goku all things considered. goku and vegeta are mostly strong because their powerups work like multipliers
@@MogusMasterSaikawa22 yeh and the zenkai boost its part of their race too plus in db toriyama didn’t even thought of goku being an alien till dbz so it’s obvious that yamcha could’ve potentially reached goku by then but not now
@@LouisTLW I'm not just talking about them becoming as strong as goku. that would probably beat the point but they're just not really relevant at all which especially sucks for yamcha since he's one of the first characters introduced in the series and was like a friendly rival then older brother to goku and krillin it was cute even if we didn't see too much ioasdf
If I'm Yamcha, I'd honestly just ask Goku/Vegeta to help me unlock God ki. Tbf, it's the least they could do after leaving me out of the TOP/indirectly killing me. See how far that goes.
This is how you properly write Yamcha's character
Agreed 100%.
I think him being upset at not being chosen to fight COULD absolutely push him to actually try a little harder, don't think he'd use the dragonballs to age slower tho, and I also don't think he'd be able to train for 10 years straight by himself. I think I'd have rather Yamcha just push Vegeta to SSJ 2 at max, as even with the temporary decrease in power, this is still a SSJ God aborbed Vegeta, so him going SSJ 2 is already MILES above where Yamcha already is. Even though it is a massive increase, it's believable (to a degree) especially if he has to use Kaioken 5x(+) to push him that far.
I would have also liked to have seen Tien included, something about being extremely bitter with how he went out in the TOP. This makes the story actually believable as they'd both be able to push each other further, which is shown to be much more beneficial. It would also be a perfect little nostalgia trip for OG dragonball fans
Goku and the others: **Doesn't invite Yamcha for Tournament of Power**
Yamcha: "And I took that personally."
As well he should've. It's way better than what we got of him just accepting being cucked like it was nothing.
Relatively minor steps in writing could make the humans total beasts
It's one thing I've never understood w/ people who like to argue that there's no point in making the humans stronger or that it's impossible to do. They always base the concept of being strong on the idea of the humans matching Goku & Vegeta (cause they don't really care about Gohan) in their strongest forms. This is a baseless argument to make because 1) the humans don't have to match Goku & Vegeta's blue forms to be strong, 2) we've seen several other characters reach that level of strength (Jiren, #17, Caulifa & Kale) w/out even needing god ki, and 3) there are PLENTY of tools/techniques/training in the series that if used could theoretically place the humans on at least SSJ2 or even SSJ3 level. Which is plenty strong enough in & of itself. I literally developed my own series of Kaioken techniques years ago, that utilize the same concepts that Plus did in this video.
@@Crimson_Titan You did not "develop" your own kaioken lil bro 💀
Nah but I agree, there doesn't need to be some asspull transformation or some tingly little feeling in their balls or something, just having Kaioken would help. I definitely think Kaioken could be pushed much further, as even tho Goku uses 20x stacked on SSJ Blue, I doubt it's something he's put much effort or thought into. Have the Humans finally unlock it's true potential and basically have mastered SSJ Blue but Kaioken.
There's also just Roshi's buff form, Yamcha (to my knowledge at least) didn't get any potential unlocks from the kais or elder guru or whoever else.
You could just follow this same concept and have the humans or at least one of them, likely Tien, focus on the more spiritual and ki side of things, eventually being able to not only notice, but actually harness God-ki. This alone could open the door to many more opportunities
@@gwilkes5325 Actually, yes I did, and I doubt I'm your lil bro as I'm likely older than you kid. I have entire pages online going back years, close to a decade, utilizing different aspects of kaioken that I came up w/, like the one mentioned in this video.
Also, I'll never understand why so many fans are in love w/ Roshi's buff form. There's never been any indication that it provides any real power increase benefit, and mainly seems to be simply a visual effect. Plus, there're are much more effective versions of it that actually do provide power increases, such as both Namekian & Makyan buff forms.
Harnessing god ki is a solid option, but that's honestly clearly been relegated to something exclusively wielded only by Goku & Vegeta. I would love to see it, but it would require Whis being willing to take the humans to Beerus' planet & allow them to train there to master it, and there's really no reason for him to do that. Plus, making god forms as common as the SSJ transformation would devalue it in the same way.
Hence why the writers chose to make up new forms for Gohan & Piccolo that rival god forms in strength, rather than having them train to learn god ki themselves.
I wish that Yamcha would do that if it was canon.
I like the idea, I feel that even when the earthlings get screen time or train up, it amounts to nothing cause the villain is just to strong and vegeta gets destroyed so goku save the day again😪. Dragon ball needs some changes.
Completely agree, I thought it would interesting if yamcha lead the way, cause he thought of as the weakest most of time
That's a bit of an exaggeration. It took Gohan to beat Vegeta and Cell. It took a spirit bomb to take down Kid Buu. Only Goku beat Frieza on his own.
That seems like a lot of shonens really.
4:18 Saiyans rapidly start aging after their 70s, faster than Humans
Pretty interesting series, Really happy to see Yamcha get the spotlight.
I thought he deserved it
@@Pride_Sage he definitely does after the years of torment he endured lmao
since yamcha is my favorite db character im glad ppl care abt him
I do find it bullshit how there was never any redemption for Yamcha...part of what made me go off Dragon Ball. That and how badly screwed Trunks got.
Facts, same w/ me, though it was also the disrespect they showed toward Piccolo that made me quit the series. The fact that they only recently gave Piccolo some shine in the Super Hero movie is the only thing that gives me a sliver of hope that Yamcha could finally be redeemed as well.
if i were yamcha id feel like absolute sh*t knowing 3 of his friends being tien krillin and goku fighting together in the tournament and being cast aside for master roshi who yamcha surpassed
Not only that but also cast aside for Frieza, who literally only committed mass genocide throughout the universe & tried to kill said friends several times over the years. Goku, Krillin & Tien should all be ashamed of themselves for doing that to that man.
@@Crimson_Titan don't forget vegeta
@@MaRgEd.ZamaSU Nah, I can't blame Vegeta because he's never pretended to be a friend to Yamcha. That's different from Goku, Krillin & Tien, who were all supposed to be his friends.
Cool vid! I would’ve liked to see Yamcha begin this process after dying and hearing from Goku about his Yardrat training. Then Yamcha could’ve been a beast for the androids and played into the saga more.
I always thought to myself of this idea to make a human powerful: Train with roshi, train with korin, be strong enough to drink ultra divine water, train with kami, find a way to train with king kai and learn kaioken, train on high gravity, get potential unlock on namek, learn spirit control. Then we have a really powerful warrior of both mind and body but this idea is really fun to see, i like it a lot, especially with my favorite character Yamcha
It is crazy that master Roshi went instead… mfer was weaker than OG king piccolo. I get that it was fan service especially with his final speech but still, makes no sense.
I was shock they took roshi cause he got left in dust way back in saiyan saga
@@Pride_Sagenot only that, but Roshi's whole character arc was about passing the torch to the next generation. Fans conveniently ignore that, as did the writers when they opted to shoe-horn him back into the spotlight.
Roshi has a cannon PL of under 200, which teenage versions of Goku, Tien, Yamcha, and even Krillen passed by mid OG DB
God I miss long hair Yamcha he looked so damn cool!
Literally me in db verse 💀💀💀💀, the earthling are clearly nerfed by having memory issues. I would literally just spend time in the time chamber and go to king kai to learn kaioken, go to yardrat to learn advanced techniques, request whis to train for god ki, try to learn UI, i would try every way to get stronger.
No you wouldn't 😂
There are no words to describe how amazing this story is , you have my sub and my like just keep going with that story.
Thank you, I will
@@Pride_SageI have a question , doss that mean Broly died against Gogeta?
Because back on earth , the DragonBalls are not useable for another 6 months due to Yamcha using them to wish for his prime and to teleport to Yadarat and without the DragonBalls , Chelai can't wish Shenron to return Broly to Vampa before he is hit by the Final Kamehameha unless Broly miraculously survived the blast , also does Yamcha becoming stronger have an affect on the Superheroes movie?
Yes Broly survived, I have a legitimate reason for why he made it out, but i want to explain it for when he comes back(small spoiler) and yes, yamcha growth does have a ripple effect that changes everything with the superhero movie, which is the Arc right after Tien’s. Speaking of which Tien has two more videos this month so stay tuned!
This is a great bridge to what does happen in the Moro arch. Yamcha joins training with Piccolo and Gohan, and gets right back on equal levels with Tien and Krillen . He also wins his fights vs Moro's minions. Go Yamcha! I hope they animate it because the MANGA finally treated him well
Hey Pride Sage! Love the story so far its great! My favorite part is Yamcha using the dragon balls to be younger and age slowly. And him using that to his advantage to learn spirit control, instant transmissions, training 10 years in the Room Of Spirit N Time mastering Kiao Ken!!! Pride Sage you've been saying what I've been thinking for a while now. I've often wondered why the other human z fighters haven't done the same thing with making themselves younger and spending extreme time in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber!!! Thank you for this What If Pride Sage👍
Glad you like the story so far. I tried to make it as reasonable as possible, so that way yamcha will have a chance to be great for once. Thank you for watching t-bone!
The Earthlings ARE strong they just so happen to be sharing the planet with anomalies ( the last 2 sayians in existence (broly doesn't count cause hes not on earth) The last Namekian Warrior, and manmade weapons of mas destruction (the androids).
i like this one, i really liked yamcha since the first tournament in the original series.
Yamcha cannot sense god ki. I can see him sense Broly and Moro
You right, I could’ve specified that better
Then having the Shenron once again Boost yamcha pulling a Piccolo in the Superhero movie, unlocking his power ever more. He can do this considering, that Gohan has had his "potential" unlocked twice as well in the namek saga and the Buu Saga.
Aside from hearing you say Earf instead of earth lmao, this was really good.
Ha glad you enjoyed regardless of slips
Yamcha to Shenron: 1st wish - Make me the strongest fighter in the universe against half of my life span, 2nd wish - grant me eternal youth :DD
*Slap some Mystic+Kaioken×20 Form on Krillin, Yamcha and Tien and they're on par with SSBK×20 Goku since Base Humans are on Par with Base Saiyans (Raditz got stomped by Tien and Yamcha)*
*Strongest Humans currently are Android 17 and 18*
Besides Yamcha, I think that's a shame that Krillin never got to a final of the martial arts tournament.
During the time skip between Demon King Piccolo and Picolo Jr, 3 dragon wishes
Between the time skip between DB and DBZ, 5 more dragon wishes
Between the time skip between Cell and Buu, 14 more dragon wishes
that's 22 wishes people. Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chaotsu could have wished for immortality early one when they could, then things like regeneration and other useful upgrades multiple times over.
I feel like a human character like Tien or Yamcha would be a amazing especially if they could keep up with the blue forms
I adore the story even if it feels like yamcha got the potential of frieza in some ways 😂
This is the only thing I want
They should use mystic forms to unlock potential and can even stack kaioken ontop of it to atleast compete with ssj
really. yamcha is the forgetable dude.
krilin: bald, noseless.
tien: bald, three eyes.
chaoz: bald, white skin.
roshi: bald, old, pevert.
piccolo: bald, green skin.
buu: bald, pink skin.
yamcha: average black hair, average eye color, average color skin, average intelligence, ...
his most defining trait is that he's an average human. and he will never become powerful. you need to be bald, saiyan or android.
if yamcha wants to power-up. he should cut his hair and/or become an android.
So you saying he gotta be like saitama if he wants the gains, haha 😂 it would be funny if tried it for the one time
@@Pride_Sage no. I'm not saying he has to be like saitama.
but, it's another character that proves my point. in anime, being bald increases your power!!!
Nice video man!
Glad you enjoyed it
"Erflings"
Technically c17 and 18 are earthlings
This is a cool what if, could you do more what if's about yamacha?
I I think I will
@@Pride_Sage yay
This what if is basically What if Yamcha was the Main Character and had Plot armour/ was OP lol
He just taking advantage of all the things the other a warriors didn’t get involved in. He picking up what other ppl left down 😎
@@Pride_Sage I love this what if man please continue i love seeing yamcha with some spotlight for once.
How is Yamcha using existing training/techniques to improve himself having "plot armor"? That makes no sense.
Need that second part
Part 2 definitely coming out soon
yamcha is my fav caracter
The most unrealistic part of this for me is that Bulma would give Yamcha anything.
Haha 😂 that’s funny but I mean she doesn’t hate the guy 😂
@@Pride_Sage She legit broke up with him to be with his killer. If that's not malicious intent I don't know what is. Lmao
Thank you
Thank you for watching
It should be like Master Roshi bulk form
He could of just wished to be immortal and as powerful as shinrom could make him
Love me some Yamcha love
Yamcha the goat🔥
Gohan's Ultimate form multiplies his base form by 500 times, so how much would Yamcha's Ultimate form multiply? I'm writing a What if and I'm not sure which multiplier to use
I’ll say it’s roughly the same for yamcha as well, maybe a little less so cause gohan just built different
@@Pride_Sage 500 too? I was surprised, from what I saw, people usually put it lower than 45, because they use Krillin's multiplier when he had his hidden power unlocked by Elder Guru. From my research it seems like everyone has a different view of Ultimate lol
Most of them interpret that Gohan's form has the power of the Ultra SSJ transformation into the base form, because he was stronger than Goku SSJ3 who has a 400x multiplier, but Elder Kai's ritual is described as not only unlocking the hidden potential but also elevates it far beyond the limits…
What is your interpretation of the form? To be honest I still don't know which interpretation to use lol
Kaioken technique can make earthlings strong Kaioken x1000 can surpassed the strength of a Super Saiyan1.
Yamcha gaming
Yamcha deserves better
Interesting
I feel like yamcha's third wish should have been for humans to get zenkai boosts after battles
The earthlings can’t be strong like the rest of the aliens because that’s what it means to be human, humans by nature are fragile, if they are anything like the namekians or the saiyans they won’t be considered earthlings at all.
not really yamcha and krillin were extremely powerful in the original show not that much below goku all things considered. goku and vegeta are mostly strong because their powerups work like multipliers
@@MogusMasterSaikawa22 yeh and the zenkai boost its part of their race too plus in db toriyama didn’t even thought of goku being an alien till dbz so it’s obvious that yamcha could’ve potentially reached goku by then but not now
@@LouisTLW I'm not just talking about them becoming as strong as goku. that would probably beat the point but they're just not really relevant at all which especially sucks for yamcha since he's one of the first characters introduced in the series and was like a friendly rival then older brother to goku and krillin it was cute even if we didn't see too much ioasdf
If i were yamcha id wish to atleast be a half or fourth saiyan
If I'm Yamcha, I'd honestly just ask Goku/Vegeta to help me unlock God ki. Tbf, it's the least they could do after leaving me out of the TOP/indirectly killing me. See how far that goes.
We all know Yamcha is fodder that got his girl snatched by Vegeta. Krillin would have been a better person to use, I think he has higher potential.