@@coolshadow4541 seth the programmer explained anyone can get out of genjutsu by powering up and kenpachi has infinite power he can get out of anytime he literally destroyed a meteor as big as a hollow moon in Shikai mode. he doesnt feels pain. His bankai gives him infinite power of destruction. And he dont even need to remove his eyepatch to fight itachi
@@zararazeem6237 The fight is literally over the moment Itachi sees Aizens shikai or when he draws his zanpakuto. Doesn't matter if Itachi uses gengetsu because it would all be under Aizens Hypnosis. And theres no way around complete hypnosis as stated, it's not some weak optical illusion either so Itachi wouldn't even be able to sense it or know he's under it
The moment Aizen massacred the gotei thirteen with kyokasuigetsui without them knowing that he had been using it the whole time, I realized that Genjutsu was far cry from complete hypnosis.
@@Roronoa_Zoro_Official Because most of the Characters in Soul Society are weaker than him so that's why they didn’t notice it. in Bleach, If the person gets stronger his abilities and power will become much more powerful.
Bleach fanboy genjutsu is more deadly, once your in tsukyomi it’s literal GG’s. The guy using it on you would have complete control over your 5 senses plus time, space and mass. The guy literally injects a universe into you and completely controls everything inside including you
@@The_endlessV1 and some characters still managed to escape it. What do you have to say? Also remember that 90% bleach characters have a zampakuto with them that can wake them up from whatever genjutsu and that they are much faster that naruverse characters.
If even Ywach, who is universal at worst, was affected by it, albeit only temporarily, then nobody from the narutoverse stands a chance, not even Shibai Otsutsuki.
Evryone forgot the fact that Aizen doesn't need his zanpakuto to put anyone under his kyoka suigetsu It was said that he already fused his zanpakuto in the fight between aizen and Ichigo
Yup and Yhwach was put under his hypnosis by just looking at him in the first invasion. So makes me wonder how someone would keep themselves safe of the effect if there's no zanpakuto to touch. Would they need to touch aizen instead?
On this topic, I've actually read scans in Naruto were it states that Chakra is a fusion of physical and "mental" energy - not "spiritual" energy. I think that makes a big difference on whether chakra effect Bleach characters or not. Do you know what scans I'm referring to that state this cause I haven't viewed it in a while?
Everyone in Naruto has yin chakra or spiritual chakra Shikamaru's clan use it to control shadows Ino's Mind Transfer uses spiritual energy etc. the original mental energy statement was either just retconned or was just the same thing either way as in mental energy and spiritual energy are just considered the same in Naruto
Spirit too bro it was explained in the chunin exams please stop trying to switch shit. Its stated as spiritual energy and physical energy. Also yin and yang bitchh
@@lureyourpery5569 because the Edo Tensei regenarate from Ash Even Madara was crushed by his own attack and came back from nothing Edo Tensei's are some kind of Immortal You can only stop them by sealing them in Mummies or stop the caster and force him to undo the jutsu
There isn't any debate about this Aizen literally trapped all the most powerful characters in the entire Bleach series without their knowledge That's enough to prove that Aizen is OP
@@fatboysergio737blud kyoka suigetsu literally controlled 5 sense, and the only thing you could do to get out of kyoka suigetsu is to touch the blade💀
@@livingrentfree9596 Nah Bleach slaps Naruto characters in terms of everything Naruto characters aren't very strong compared to Bleach characters. Most of the sternritters solos the verse The Royal Guard solos Some of the captains can solo as well I'll debate you right here and prove that lots of Bleach characters solos the Narutoverse
Sousuke aizen: if you know, actually all people in konoha was hypnotized by my shikai and all the battle from naruto or hitachi is part of my scene.will different if i use bankai
Itachi:you will now spend 72 hours in the tsukyomi and in those 72 hours, and in those 72 hours I will be stabbing you! Aizen:ack! Ah! Oh! Ow! Itachi: uh?! Ack ! What's going on?! Aizen: my sword, once it is viewed it puts my opponent under complete hypnosis.
@Shaurya Tiwari bc aizens hypnosis last for a life time and you can’t escape it. once you see his shikai you are stuck in it every time he uses it. for itachi you can get out of it in a way, or can see that you’re in a genjutsu.
Not true it’s .....strength don’t break hypnosis If that’s the case head captain and yahbach would’ve beat him ... Aizen is stronger than any character in Naruto period.
Well this is my speculation and theory so hear me out okay reason 1 the rinnegans that the pains have were artificial. They were not the real once, ya they were connected with the real ones but they were still fakes. Reason 2 it was sage genjustu that Jariya used on the pains, the rinnegan was first created by the sage of the six paths who just became the ten tail jinchuriki and its very few weakness is nature chakara which sage mode has so it would seam regular genjustu won’t work on the rinnegan but sage genjustu would work on a real or especially a fake rinnegan. And finally reason 3 the sage genjustu was a sound genjustu, which is stated by Shikamaru sound genjustu is the most dangerous type of genjustu. And Jariya used his in a metal tunnel which the sound would bounce of the metal walls increasing its range and power. And their you have it that’s my theory tell me what you think, am I just over thinking it or am I doing something right be honest.
@@bradleyhall5847 1- Real or not, it has Rinnegan Abilities, Thus, it channels the essince of the rinnegan. 2- that's just prove what i said, that the Genjutsu was more powerful than Pain can handle. 3- i'm not too familiar with that kind of Genjutsu, but people said it can see through ALL Genjutsu, they never told me there are specific Genjutsu that it can't over come, so it's their fault, not mine.
🤷♂️🤷♂️ I never said it was your fault sorry if I hurt your feelings. And I said this was my theory but I guess it’s wrong thanks for having this discussion with me.
Well the pain that fell under Jiraiya's jutsu was hit by one that effects sound not sight, the rinnegan evolves from the sharingan so it has the same visual perks. Now this part is just head cannon but it's entirely possible Nagato, once getting Madara's rinnegan, didn't know he could revert it to the eternal mangekyo or use it's abilities like susano'o
This is not a statment in the manga, this is nonsense you came up with, show me the panel that directly state *"Sound is the only genjitsu that can effect the rinnigan"* otherwise don't make up stuff without proof.
@@zackbrangen1528 There's all the times where visual genjutsus don't work on sharingan users unless it's stronger than their sharingan or (in Sasuke and Madara's case) rinnegan, save for the non canon arc with the ketsuryugan. The genjutsu Jiraiya used was literally made from the frogs croaking, if he used a genjutsu that effects any other sense like taste or smell it would've worked too. And it's proven that the rinnegan has the same abilities as sharingan such as Sasuke using amaterasu with it and both he and Madara being untouched from infinite tsukuyomi which is the strongest genjutsu even over kotoamatsukami. The proof is literally scattered in the show, just rewatch it cause it seems like you need a refresher.
@@TakorraX "madara being untouched from infinite tsukuyom which is the strongest genjutsu" its own user cant be effected and sasuke susanoo was the thing that protected him from the infinite tsukuyomi, thats why naruto, kakashi and sakura didnt fall under infinite tsukuyomi
@@zackbrangen1528Theres no proof because no Sharingan users ever tried to use visual genjutsu/(through sight) against Rinnegan. Logic. If Sharingan can see through illusions, then Rinnegan do much better. Thats why it resists even the highest level of genjutsu, IT. Rinnegan users only be affected through hearing, smell, touch but not by SIGHT.
Great video, could explain if the same thing happens in the dragon ball universe like the characters of this anime can be caught by kyoka Suigetsu the same thing with one piece, Jojo and etc?
not work if his opponent has reiatsu(spirit energy) bigger than aizen. that why ichigo dangai form immune from aizen'a hypnotis and aizen created wonderwish to seal yamamoto's zanpaktou ,if yamamoto using his bankai ,he will immune from aizen shikai and he scare to zaraki kenpachi becouse zaraki has high reiarsu.reiatsu similiar with cosmos .saint seiya's n sailor moon's character to op for aizen.
@@hajunjebat8180 Actually Ichigo's dangai form wasn't immune to it. You seem to forget the fact that Ichigo was never under Kyoka Suigetsu in the first place. He never looked at Aizen's Shikai once
Now chakra isn't spiritual but Obito transferred chakra threw his soul. Hagoromo became a chakra spirit. The tailed beast are chakra spirits given shape by Hagoromo. The edo tensei have infinite chakra because the limitation if the body isn't present because the infinite power of the soul is channeled threw a vessel... the ego tensei 😑
Shisui's Kota amatsukiyomi is way too similar to aizen's complete hypnosis Both when cast will make the victim not even realising they r under the control of the caster
Also I think it should be noted, the sharigan and rinnegan eye ( i forgot its name) has the ability of infinite tsukoyomi ( which u probably already know) and that ability is casted on everyone in the world at that moment, also only people with the rinnegan can break free from it, making the fact that I doesn't matter how strong the person is that doesn't have the rinnegan, they will always be affected by it.
That's a "No limit fallacy" argument, which is the worst argument in vrs battle, "Oh, this sword can cut through steel, steel is the hardest metal In this universe, that means this sword can cut through superman" This is why people don't use this argument, because it's dumb, Just because the Rinnigan is the strongest eye ability in Naruto, doesn't Mean no Bleach character can resist it, That's not how that works.
Except it's canonical that If you're strong enough you can resist basically any ability from someone weaker, no matter how much of a hack it is. Aizen shrugged off Soi Fon's ability that is literally an instant kill that bypasses damage entirely if it just nicks you twice in the same spot
Infinite tsukyomi requires rinnesharingan, god tree and moonlight, idiot. It cannot be casted by sharingan or even rinnegan. If Sharingan or Rinnegan had that ability, why did Madara wait?? Didn't he had EMS and Rinnegan before his death
You actually cant counter aizens kyoka suigetsu with just shere force you have to be fast enouph to grab him or his sword but if you do that the hypnosis only is off for how ever long you can hold, you can also disarm him
Popularity dosent mean good. Berserk is not famous as Naruto but is infintely better than it. Bleach artstyle,power system and character's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Naruto
@@xyromastr who the hell cares about popularity. A mangaka getting 120k of his stories is better than most. If kubo health was not bad then Kubo definitely would have supprased kishimoto. (I have respect for both mangaka.)
Well ! When Sasuke cast the genjutsu on Killer B , it was a slightly less effective than the Tsukuyoumi and Killer wasn't affected thanks to the control of his beast . Besides Sasuke wasn't well experienced about the MS abilities . So the genjutsu was not superior as the Tsukuyoumi or Kotoamatsukami
@BANG /:BANG i love how it was shown that Sasuki used the cursed mark to amplify his sharingan AND stated by Zetsu himself that Sasuke broke his genjitsu, but sure, let's bring an argument stated NO WHERE in the series, Just ignore the part where Obito told Sasuki that itachi wanted to push him to his limits so that he can free him from Oroshimaru, no, nope, that doesn't count, Also, by your logic, what sasuki was gonna do to combat the Amaterasu? Oh right, you forgot he used it to almost kill sasuki,
@BANG /:BANG you still showed no proof that itachi broke his own genjitsu, it was stated AND SHOWN with visual presentation that Sasuki himself, used the cursed mark, amplify the power of his sharingan with sage chakra (yes, it was confirmed that cursed marks atract sage chakra) to break itachi's genjitsu, And your counter to this fact is an argument supported by zero evidence, no statment fron itachi anywhere says he broke his own genjitsu to help sasuke, nothing, not one proof no where to be found, And i'm the one who's high balling, great, thank.
@BANG /:BANG the fact that you had to write this long essay as "proof" itachi broke his own genjitsu, shows that you have ZERO PROOF that he did, congradulations, you played yourself, I can't believe i wasted my time reading entire novels and scan panels in my video to prove my point when all i had to do was make baseless arguments about how Bleach verse can win with one attack, thank you for showing me how easy it is,
Why didn't Itachi use Tsukuyomi to immobilise Kabuto? If he couldn't then there are ways to get out of it without having a MS. Then Aizen can do it too.
@BANG /:BANG yeah but itachi cant break through aizen kyoka suigetsu and aizen also cannot break through izanagi means the first one to do their hypnosis to another wins and i am sure itachi can figure that aizen is a strong opponent and he will do izanagi on purpose so it clearly means the first one to do their hypnosis/genjutsu wins...
It's almost as if you think Aizen is strong BECAUSE of kyoka suigetsu. It wouldn't matter if itachi used izanagi or not, Aizen's spiritual pressure alone would be enough to make Itachi shit himself.
All depends on who uses there respective powers first If genjutsu is used on aizen first then aizen gets defeated If aizen uses kyokai suigetsu first the opponent gets defeated In the end it's all abt intelligence
Not true. The only genjutsu that would have a consistant effect on Aizen is kotoamatsukami. Even tsukuyomi which i consider to be a more potent genjutsu when it comes to raw power and versitability would barely effect aizen since he has sustained way worse torture than anything itachi can come up with. Not to mention the fact that even with infinite chakra Itachi cant keep up tsukuyomi forever. But the reverse is not true for Aizen, aizen could prob solo most of the naruto verse with shikai alone.
@Shaurya Tiwari thats a myth, itachi develops the torture himself. If that were the case dont you think kakashi would have seen rin die over and over instead of just itachi with the swords.
if it's sharingan genjutsu, it's over for the opponent, a glimpse is enough and izanami can be triggered to opponents even when they're blind. aizen needed to execute properly as if to do ceremony to pull kyoka suigetsu.
Bleach characters can break any kind of Hax, also, Aizen isn't the only illusion user in Bleach, And lastly, this isn't who vs who, this is just analyzing both abilities and see how can they stack up against each universe, that's all,
@@zackbrangen1528 Don't forget that Aizen fucked with Ywatch's perception of time! Ywatch can change the future before him at will and see several futures at once! Basically an izanagi ability with extra steps! Aizen's perfect hypnosis is just that! Bleach illusion is in another league compared to narutoverse illusion!
@@NorseNuggie yes but depends on the type of genjutsu. if it's the infinite tsukuyomi, itachi's tsukuyomi, or a sage art genjutsu like jiraiya/kabuto's sage are genjutsus, then it would affect people who don't have chakra But since Aizen isn't a living being, most genjutsus won't work on him other than possibly kabuto's sage art one which worked on edo itachi although that is also debateable because itachi's body was a reanimation of a real body whereas aizen has no real body
@@dnan9638 literally the only genjutsu in naruto that doesnt require chakra is the infinite tsukuyomi, itachis tsukuyomi does require a chakra network to work. You dont have to have chakra but you need a chakra network without one it is impossible to perform or even put someone under the affects of a genjutsu even if its a ocular genjutsu.
Lately I've been seeing people saying kyoukai suigetsu is the same as genjutsu Here from what i understand Feel free to correct me since im not good and knowledgeable enough for this. Kyouka suigetsu isn't genjutsu - Genjutsu is manipulation of chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses. Since bleach doesn't have chakra flow genjutsu wouldn't work(probably some will work). Aizen's Kyouka suigetsu control all senses and since every ability in bleach affect soul, you could say it's an attack to soul (not brain,cerebral nervous system etc....). the only way i can see someone breaking out,immune to kyoukai suigetsu is - blind people (since you need to see the release of kyoukai suigetsu for it to work, of course it's not gonna work on blind people) - maybe remove and change all your 5 senses lol - have the power "almighty" - have aizen release you. - touch Aizen sword (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵) - be stronger than aizen Question 1 since Aizen fuse with his zampakuto do you now need to touch him to break out of his perfect hypnosis?!. 2 is kyoukai suigetsu have anything to do with brain because when i heard the word hypnosis, brain is the first thing come into my mind. I tried to search but all im seeing is kyoukai suigetsu control all senses but i did not see anything related to brain.
if aizen was in madara place he would just sit down and watch every one fighting each other, because there is no one in naruto that can break out of aizen kyogo suigetsu
Hey brother can you please tell me who will win in kotoamatsukami vs kyoka suigetsu cause they are very similar what do you think can aizen break free kotoamatsukami I think he can't because one has to do whatever the user says after koto is applied.
Chakra is positive or life energy. Chakra is life energy. chakra is sanskrit word. Aizen is a soul he doesn't have life energy. It is started in puran our ancient book.
I don't believe that raw strength can counter hypnosis as Ywach had the highest level of Reiatsu at the time and Aizen was able to Hypnotize every possible reality to the point where he couldn't see Ichigo slash him from behind
That's because Aizen is in a level close to Yhwach, If Yhwach is way above Aizen to the point his Spirit Pressure alone could harm him, then yes, it won't work, But Aizen is Top 5 strongest Characters in the Verse, he was even in the Top 5 War Candidates who have the potential to stop Yhwach due to his High Level Reiatsu.
@@zackbrangen1528 Spiritual Pressure= Reiatsu levels yes, and when a character has overflowing level like when Yhwach took the Soul Kings Reiatsu within himself he was able to crush two War Potential Candidates without even putting out much of an effort In his fight with Ichibe he was able to take each and every attack and even lost all his senses and with his "Almighty" ability alone was able to smash Ichibe into pieces(which later on Ichibe returned due to Ichigo saying his name) In his fight with Ichigo, he was able to match Ichigo's level of ability and afterwards took everything away from him after the fight was basically over for Ichigo and finally came face to face with Aizen. He crushed two War Potential Candidates without effort and while facing Aizen he was not just able to nullify his Kido attacks but even ripped a hole in his chest and ripped his arm off without using his sword, and broke all bankai levels before it could be used against him. Aizen was able to negate physical attacks with his Reiatsu against the members of the Gotei13 in the Arrancar Arc and took damage only against Ichigo in his Mugetsu form, which means Ichigo surpassed him at that time. Meaning that Hypnosis would never have worked on Ichigo, yet he was fully able to fool Yhwach in present time but in all possible futures which basically states that Reiatsu levels don't really matter as in the Arrancar Arc, Yamamoto was stronger then Aizen always and yet fell victim to his Hypnosis
the hypnosis does not depend on the spiritual pressure of victim, that is a flaw created in kyoka suigetsu used by tokinada, as he could not perfectly copy aizens zanpankto due to his lower spiritual preesure
@@debbiek3469 so because they don't have good resistance KS is more broken? Genjutsu only gets broken out of because they are aware of the inducement and developed counters
It means madar would defeat aizen since has strength and can put aizen in genjutsu. Also he would just need Aizen to hit him once which he can easily tank and he will be out of his hypnosis.
You can't get out of occular genjutsu with sheer force or flexing that's never been a thing lol, kurama couldn't flex out of obitos bee couldn't flex out of itachis etc, to resist kyoka suigetsu you need resistance to preception manipulation you dont NEED to touch the sword, it worked on yhwach cuz u he cant see through illusions You forgot to mention that genjutsu can damage the victim and do alot more then KS and shinjis ability, GJ can control your emotions mind control u put you to sleep make you relieve past trauma etc, also kotoamatsukami rewrites your memories and is mind control to say KS is on the same level is iffy You cant assume zanpaktou spirits will know the host Is under AND know how to get them out of it, junchuriki had to learn to do that theres no evidence shinigami can, there's also no evidence the hyokogu can snap aizen out of infinite tsukyomi The sharingan can see through illusions and it's been shown multiple times, sasuke vs itachi itachi vs kuranei kakashi vs obito etc, kakashi KNEW tsukyomi was fake but it's not just an illusion he creates a universe in your head that he can control everything in Shinjis bankai can be resisted with resistance to perception manipulation, ninja train from childhood on how to deal with illusions and trickery where as bleach characters dont
Well, if you watched the video, you would have noticed that i explained why sheer force can break you out of genjutsu, it's because the higher spritirual pressure you have, the lower the effect of an ability can cause, this is a rule set in the bleach universe, tons of characters can cancel hax abilities like Barragan's aging ability, Soi-fon's 2 hit kill, and Orihime's rejection, all hax abilities can be cancelled by sheer force, hell even Kyoka Suigetsu was cancelled by sheer force in the light novel, so if you going to adapt the bleach universe to a vs Battle with Naruto, you gonna have to adapt it's rules too, you can't pick and choose what to adapt, go all in. So?, Hypnoses Kido does the same too, There are kidos that paralyzes you, put you to sleep, there is also an Espada who can mind controll people, and even that ability was cancelled, it wasn't important to address, and as for Kotomatsukami, it's not something special ether, There is a Fullbringer who can manipulate your memories as well, and he couldn't effect Byakuya with it, so it's not really that big of a deal. The Zanpakuto part i'll give you that, however, The Hogyoku was shown to save Aizen multiple times from danger, once it refused his death and made him immortal, the second it gave him a powerboost to match ichigo's strength, and then when Aizen lost, it evolved him again to the same level as ichigo's Final Getsuga Tenshou, it can literally do anything, it's out of the question. The Sharingan can see through illusions, yes, but not all of it, like for example, Sasuki vs Danzo, Danzo kept looking at his arm to see how many eyes left to perform Izanagi, but sasuki put a subtle illusion into his mind that made him see one closed eye open, this should have never happened because Danzo has a Sharingan, but because it's not as strong as Sasuki's, he couldn't see through his Genjutsu. Shinji used his Bankai agains an army of Vasto Lorde Hollows, you know, the most powerful hollows who can rival captains? Shinji was surrounded by an army of them, hollows grow intelligence everytime they evolve, they are not weak minded, and even they fell under Shinji's bankai.
@@zackbrangen1528 that's sheer force thing is inconsistent and can even be considered be to retconned, KS worked on yhwach tosens bankai worked on kenpachi etc, GJ dosent have the weakness of being sheer forced out of while I understand equalizing energies to just grant resistances to bleach characters is iffy Kotoamatsukami is special when comparing it to KS, it does what KS does as well as complete mind control and memory manipulation, howcome the FB couldn't effect byakuya I forgot, and yes there are hypnosis kido but there a GJ which make u see illusions while u sleep and can even make u relieve your worst nightmare etc Yes the hyogoku Grants him reactive evolution and immortality but it hasn't been shown to grant resistances, it's based on the users desires iirc how would aizen know hes UNDER GJ and if its infinite tsukyomi that's literally aizens dream the hyokogu would have no reason to wake him up if it can even do that Danzo didnt have a sharingan looking at sasukes illusion he dosen't see through his sharingan, danzos sharingan are on his arm sasuke placed a GJ on danzos real eye Yes I know they arent weak minded but they lack resistance to perception and morality manipulation which is what shinji does
@@Kidkinsey So is many other powers in Naruro, that doesn't change the fact it was stated and shown several times in the show, We saw Aizen cancel Soi-fon's technique, we saw Kenpachi grab ichigo's sword without being cut, Hell, we even saw Yhwach Cancel Ichibe's Bankai ability, that was the biggest hax in the bleach universe, and he rejected it, how many evidence do you want after that? PS: Tosen is a Captain just like Kenpachi, their powers were comparable at that time because Kenpachi had only unlocked part of his powers. Like i said, Kotomatsukami is nothing special because Bleach Character demonstrated similar abilities. You think Aizen wouldn't notice he's under Hypnoses? We are talking about Aizen here, he is more smarter than you give him credit, Also, yes he will notice, because Even Yhwach figured out that he was under Aizen's Hypnoses, because he started to notice that time is distorted in his mind, he quickly understoon Aizen did something to him, if Yhwach can figure out he's under Hypnoses, then so can Aizen. Ok, fine, i'll give you that, but what about Kakashi? He couldn't block Itachi's GJ, we seen this with Sasuki where he was completely fooled by Itachi until he activated his cursed mark to break his GJ apart, Even Sasuki couldn't see through Itachi's deception until he powerboost his sharingan, kakashi couldn't break out of itachi's GJ ether. Except they are, Look at Ulquiorra, can you tell me he's a guy who will be effected by Genjitsu? How about Starrk? Or Even Nellill Tu, these are characters shown to have strong mind and will, Vasto Lorde's are not to be underestimated.
@@zackbrangen1528 yes but it's either been retconned or has inconsistent showings some people even say aizen had her in KS and was lying about that explanation, kenpachi grabbing ichigos sword wasnt nulling hax he was just ALOT stronger and yhwach countered his hax with hax he didnt just flex his way out I dont think tousen and kenpachi were comparable, when kenpachi actually got a hold of him he 2 shot him iir U would have to find like 3-4 abilites and mix them just to get to what kotoamatsukami is capable of, I'm mostly comparing koto to KS and shinjis shikai Yes aizen is a genius but theres no evidence to say hes gonna know when his mind is being messed with or his senses, the one time he dealt with perception manipulation shinji told him exactly how it works, yhwach only noticed aizen messed with him because his assistant noted they have no time left Tsukyomi isnt just an illusion it creates a dreamlike scenario in your head in which itachi controls everything, sasuke and kakashi knew it was fake but it's a direct attack on the mind Strong mind and will dosent= resistance to higher tier mind manip, ulq and everyone else you mentioned have no resistance to mind manip we cant assume they will defeat a mental attack because they have strong will, that goes for KS to I wouldn't say luffy can resist KS or tsukyomi because he has a strong will
@@Kidkinsey Kakashi was using his Kamui like a machine gun in the war arc, when using it 3 times put him the hosbital. Six path sage characters stated be only damaged by sage mode users, yet here's kakashi and sakura hurting kaguya with zero sage abilities. Madara stole kakashi's eye and used it to kamui himself to obito's dimension, that's not how kakashi's eye works, it kamui stuff into his dimention, it can't kamui kakashi himself, that's a rule breaker, See? I can point out inconsistenties all day, it means nothing. Ok. There is, Because even Unohana was able to see through Aizen's hypnoses, she noticed something is wrong with his body and noted that it's fake. You could Aizen is cocky when he's fighting enemies, but that because he'a fighting people he already study, but when it's people he never fought before, he takes full precaution, like with Yhwach and shinji, the first glimpse he cought of Yhwach he put him immediatley under his control, and when he fought Shinji, he needed to study his shikai ability before he makes his move, he would defenatley notice someone is messing with him if he put his mind into it. Sasuki broke it with his cursed sharingan though. I asked you a question, do you really believe tsukyomi can do anything to ulquiorra? Like anything?
What does the hogyoku have to do with madara trapping him in infinite tsykyoumi this is about illusions right? you're being biased. You should've put "personal thoughts" in the title.
The Hogyoku has the power to bend Reality, It gave Aizen the Ability to Break the Rules of the BleachVerse, For example, *The Kotatsu* The Soul Train that travels the Dangai World, it was stated to something Spirit Energy can't handle, But Aizen destroyed it with his Power, If the Hogyoku Has the Power to Break The Rules, it can Wake him out of the Infinite Tsukeyome no doubt, As it gave Aizen Immortality when he was about to die from Gin's Poinson.
Nothing lol, the hyokogu isnt just gonna give him resistance to mind and perception manipulation It didnt make him immune to poison gin actually killed him
@@zackbrangen1528 yeah i agree with this but i don't think its fair to use that argument in hogyoku aizen vs 6 paths madara since u can just say: hogyoku breaks aizen out of everything.
One second he said that mangekyo sharingan puts chakra of user in victims brain and persorms genjutsu. Then he says that people in bleach universe can overpower it with reitasu. But if it is chakra shouldn't it be broken using chakra. So if users chakra is in shinegami and shinegami don't know what chakra is so they won't be able to break it. Even with reiatsu. I can also do anime bulshit science.
I have to disagree with you on the spiritual energy thing being retconned its specifically stated Yin Release is made of Spiritual Energy and this is literally as the Otsutsuki Clan are introduced just cause Naruto humans didn't originally have chakra doesn't somehow debunk it being connected to their souls, all it means is Naruto humans had souls before they gained chakra just like they had physical energy before they had chakra, and that chakra is just the medium in which each of these energies can be used.
Explain how Nature Chakra is different than Normal Chakra, If in Bleach, Reiatsu is in everything, even Animal & Solid Object? How can Normal Chakra be equel to Reiatsu, then You have Nature Chakra (WHICH ALSO EQUEL TO REIATSU) but different than Normal Chakra? Fix this Plot Hole then continue.
@@zackbrangen1528 I dont think you understand what a plot hole is. Anyway, nature chakra is energy that can be collected from the atmosphere and terrain. If one can collect the natural energy from around them and combine and balance it with the spiritual and physical energy that makes up their chakra, they can become sages, allowing them to use senjutsu and enter Sage Mode. whereas normal chakra is the combination of spiritual energy and physical energy. Not sure whats difficult to understand here bud
@@TensaMugetsu1 Nature Chakra is the Chakra that exist in all living Beings, its what Animals use as a source of power, Much like In Bleach, Reiatsu is the source of power Animals use, But the difference is in Bleach it also used by Humans, While in Naruto only Ninjas use chakra that is different, Not even all humans in Naruto have Chakra, hell, not even Animals have chakra, Look at Dragon Ball, all life forms use *Ki* But in Naruto, Chakra is exclusive. While in Bleach, Reiatsu is general, You can't just declare it's similar based on a fact that is not true considering it came from a different planet with different use, Nature Chakra can be considered to be similar to Reiatsu, but Normal Chakra is a different Story,
@@zackbrangen1528 There is no such thing as Nature Chakra there's only Natural Energy which only exists in the atmosphere and terrain (Star as well going off the Novels); 2.bp.blogspot.com/-JOLCDl34tqU/WCWQxKtgf0I/AAAAAAACjak/i2IZ082-BAILv3kOWu2P6XkQz0NyhBpHwCHM/s16000/0409-013.png It does not exist inside creatures at all (except the ones that manually pull it in) its considered an external energy. Normal Chakra similar based upon the fact they both make use of Spiritual Energy to achieve there affects meaning regular Genjutsu would affect the soul of the target anyway so basically all Naruto verse Ninja would be able to detect the fact they're in an Illusion right away from the Bleach side however i do agree that characters would need to be stronger than the Reiatsu user to break out of the Illusion tho just due to the mechanics of the Bleach verse. It does get complicated tho when Naruto verse ninja can break out of Illusion's by people stronger than them all the time like Sakura breaking out of Kabuto's Genjutsu in the Chunin exams etc. so its like do you go with the Bleach verse mechanics or the Naruto verses ones.
@@zackbrangen1528 No. Its nature energy, you absorb this and balance it with your own chakra in order to become a sage like Naruto. You're saying everyone has nature energy which they dont. Nature energy is literally the energy of the planet. Thats why when Naruto was undergoing sage training he was absorbing the nature energy around him. If he already had "nature chakra" like you said then why would his training revolve around absorbing it when he supposedly already has it. You can read the novels, databooks etc. Nature chakra doesnt exist and you are getting confused.
Actually, Rinnegan is in fact inmune to visual genjutsu. Jiraiya's genjutsu was an auditory genjutsu and not a visual one, so Pain wasn't immune to it.
@@zackbrangen1528 if you heard me I said rinnegan is still immune to visual genjutsu's for the kyoka suigetsu to work you have to look at his blade, are you that dense, btw gnejutsu can warp time it self the kyoka suigetsu just does the 5 basic sense same with a normal genjutsu
@@snyderovigot9136 *"Rinnigan immune to visual genjitsu"* 1) that was never stated in any panel in the manga, guides, Anime, Novels or even the author himself, If it was stated, show me the source and i'll take what i said back in a heart beat, i just want the source of this myth. 2) Kyoka Suigetsu is not Genjitsu, in Naruto, Genjitsu is parasitic chakra that invade the body and causes illusions, Kyoka Suigetsu is an ability performed by Aizen's spiritual energy, not the same thing, And even if they are the same thing, that means the laws of the Bleach universe also effect the laws of Naruto, If we hypothetically say rinnigan can see throw all illusions, it still means nothing, Barragan's ability can age anything, the sky, the moon, the earth, anything he likes, but it can't effect Aizen, why? Because shinigami battle is spirit energy battle, the one with high reiatsu can counter any ability, That means with shere force Aizen can subject his Hypnoses opon the Rinnigan if he wanted to even if it can "See Through all illusions" As long as Aizen is more powetful than the rinnigan user, it means nothing, The dude survived a 2 instant death techniques without even trying for god sake.
Zack Brangen When the infinite tsukiyomi was cast on earth, Sasuke didn’t get caught in it because he had a rinnegan. Visual genjutsu won’t work in rinnegan users however other forms could
Aizen’s far more powerful than Madara he scales to Universal and Infinite Tsukuyomi can’t work on Edo Tensei which mean it can’t work on Shinigami and Hollows
You forgot that Kido Aizen used to bend light. You forgot the Zero Squad chick that created illusions with clothing. I bet you forgot other Bleach illusion users as well. But when are you gonna do Bleach vs Naruto characters? Like Yhwach!
I addressed the fact I'm only gonna Focus on 3 of them, If I explained every Hypnosis in Bleach, this video would have came out next Month with an addition 20 Minutes,
Hey bro you are wrong when you say chakra is given by otsusuki, bcz chakra alwasy have been present in every living living organism , otsusuki only teach them how to weald it, they created ninjutsu not chakra
*Wiki:* "On Earth, humans didn't have chakra until Hamura and Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki were born with it,[2] which was a result of their mother Kaguya eating their planet's chakra fruit from the Tree. Hagoromo spread chakra to others through a practice called ninshū, intending to create peace by using the chakra to connect people's spiritual energy so that they would understand one another without even talking. However, the people did not use chakra in the way Hagoromo hoped, instead using it to connect their inner spiritual and physical energies. They kneaded their inner chakra to amplify and weaponise it, creating what is now known as ninjutsu."
@@zackbrangen1528 I don't agree!, every living organism born with chakra it's just need to activated if there is no chakra then humans can't be able to do every day task😌
Alternative title: *Thousand year blood war arc Aizen vs Itachi* Itachi: The moment you looked into my eyes, you fell into my gengetsu Aizen: *Laughs* No.....the moment you looked into MY eyes you fell into my complete hypnosis
Point is, it was never stated the rinnigan can see through all illusions, and even if it did, the Bleach universe can still break hax abilities, so it doesn't matter.
@@zackbrangen1528 yeah, KS and etc will work no difficulty incluse with 10 rinnegans, but the thing is that rinnegan is like an anti-sharingan. Cuz that, Jiraiya use very good his aural genjutsu. (Lol, the comment was only for the visual and aural detail) Thanks for replying that quick bro!!!
@@zackbrangen1528 Kyoka Suigetsu won't matter on Rinnegan Madara. Madara possess abilities such as Limbo and Izanagi to counter the Hypnosis. Izanagi this gives Madara a edge because of the reason that it can basically cast a jutsu upon the user to cheat death itself at the cost of an Sharingan eye. But logically speaking Madara could heal his eye instead of losing it(this a hypothesis but it more likely could happen) as seen from Naruto creating Kakashi a new eye after Madara stole it. Aizen possesses no Rinnegan or Sage art to even see or sense Limbo since it's in another dimension that pseudo-exists with the physical world. Also Madara's limbo shadow do not share his senses and switch themselves with him therefore switching senses in other words Madara has escaped Kyoka Suigetsu. Also Limbo: Border Jail could do a significant amount of damage to Aizen since it had the might to take down all 9 tailed beasts with just 1 Rinnegan. Pls answer
@@hahahahahayeahxx3520 this video is a comparison between Genjitsu & Hypnoses to see how both universes can battle each other, This is not a madara vs aizen debate, If you want this debate, then go watch Seth's Video, Link: th-cam.com/video/VchqvMYjvbA/w-d-xo.html
@@zackbrangen1528 Madara possesses more Destructive powers than Aizen. Aizen does not have any destructive powers that could measure up to Madara's and sure some will say that Hado 99: 5 Dragon Destruction, Fragors, and Hado 90: Black Coffin can supposingly One Shot Madara because of Seththeprogrammers video. Let me break it down to you. Hado 90: Black Coffin is an ability that cuts the opponent inside a large black box which restricts the opponent from moving. However, Madara can easily over power this ability with a protective Susanoo(incomplete) then later shatter it with a single slash of its sword.(note: this is not a black hole a 1/4 amount of black hole can destroy the earth). Hado 99: 5 Dragon Destruction(my favorite ability in Bleach) is where 5 large pillars of light are generated around the user that is composed of Reiatsu that resemble large dragons that can destroy its surrounding and enhance itself but absorbing Reiatsu. Aizen's only options are fragors, Hado 99, and his Zanpakto. But these options arent 100% useful. Aizen's Zanpakto could lose durability after roughly cutting one meteor up this also could shatter his sword, Hado 99 could do some significant damage but it couldn't completely destroy it same with Fragors. Pls read this not Seth's
Tsukyomi doesn’t have anything to do with how strong someone is. It was stated by itachi himself , “you have to have a sharingan stronger than mines to be able to break this genjutsu.” Meaning anything is useless if you aren’t an uchiha
So you want to merge the laws of the Naruto verse to the Bleach verse without considering Bleach verse laws? So, Aizen can be a shinigami, but the rules of how his powers work need to change to satisfy Naruto's rules? Yeah, nice try.
Zack Brangen why wouldn’t we go by the books in a vs battle ? If he says no one can escape it why would we void that ? It’s his hax ability. So in the end it depends on who gets caught in the illusion first
@@acerswift123 i'll explain to why people don't use *"No Limit Fallacy"* arguments in vs Battles, Imagine a universe where people are just normal humans, and then in this world, there is this legendary sword which was able to cut the hardest object in this universe, lets say the hardest object is Iron, and then a character said "this sword cut the strongest metal in the universe, this sword can cut through anything." Now you bring this sword to a vs Battle, lets say the sword vs Goku, Saitama or Superman, Can you tell me this sword can cut Goku? Can you say this sword can cut Superman? You see why *"No Limit Fallacy"* atguments are so stupid? Just because something was stated in one universe, DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A FACT IN A VS BATTLE, This is the problem with Screwattack, they always use this argument, that's why people hate them.
Ks is only kakashi Sharingon level. Itachis genjustu has actually killed people ks has not. Obito base Sharingon rivals kotoamatsukami he brainwashed a perfect jinchuriki and you didn’t talk about how itach can inject his own chakra into opponents. Ks does not work on Sharingon users
Actually koya suigestu as shown to brainwash or rewrite a person mind(to a certain exened) this was shown in the manga when research and development departments when one of them said he felt like watch the cam and found rukia this was in the manga and in the anime when aizen tell ichigo he plan every it show the same thing impling it was aizen zanpukto ability
:/ i haven't gotten to part 5 yet but isnt ger's ability just to negate other stands, so in that case it would be completely fucking useless against aizen. I could be wrong feel free to correct me.
@@N_Tertainment7 I watched part 5 and know that GER negates everything. Yea perfect hypnosis is useless. Nobody in anime can really hurt him so saying GER vs some random op character always ends the same: stalemate or Giorno wins. In this case its not looking good for giorno since Aizen is literally immortal so in terms of lifespan, (lmao we are seriously considering they stalemate until Giorno dies of age) Aizen would win ig but that is such a lame way to win that I would just say its a tie. (this is also considering the idea that aizen gets bored waiting so he just leaves giorno alone, since they cant kill eachother anyway.)
No matter how strong you are you cant counter tskyoumi because it is a world where the user controls all mass,time and space the victim has no control whatsoever. The user is literally god no matter how strong
No matter how powerful you you can't Block a Sword with your hand without Getting cut, you can't Survive from decay, you can't surivie Nucleur explosions, Yet that's what Bleach Characters have been always doing, surviving this shit, How? Because Shinigami fight depends on how strong your Spirit Energy is, If your opponent is weaker than you, then no matter how much destructive power they got, it won't even scratch you.
You Accually overlooked things Jiraiya's Toad Genjutsu does work on Bleach characters since it is made of Nature Energy which can be compared to reishi And also Normal Sharingan also works on Sage Creatures who uses Nature Energy not Chakra And we saw that In Sasuke vs Deidara where Sasuke uses Manda a sage creature to escape Deidara's Suicide bomb and Manda was under Sasuke's Genjutsu who had no Mangekyo And Also Sasuke beated Itachi's Mangekyo Genjutsu with his basic Sharingan Yes you can beat Mangekyo Genjutsu but when attacked in the Brain which gives you the After effects by getting Dizzy or paralized or even getting in coma But I think if your strong your only get Dizzy cuz the Brain is the most important thing in your body and getting attacked in the chemicals is serious Danger for us Normal humans If we got Caught in a Genjutsu then we will be Unconscious maybe Braindead Hypnosis only mess up with your Mind not an attack in the Brain by seeing things that are not here which in extreme cases you could make a person Psychopathic or change their persons like becoming a serial killer or a baby Now a basic Sharingan can beat Hypnosis by power It just Depends on power of the users of their Abbility's You won't need the Rinnegan if your are stronger with the basic Sharingan alone (I am not talking about Naruto characters vs bleach characters) I am talking about a scenario: if your like 10× Stronger then the Kyoka suigetsu with the basic Sharingan alone then you could break out of it Or I misunderstand something Next Scenario: a 2 people vs 1 man fight 2 people are a gorilla Strength the 1 man is a Kyoka suigetsu user who is only human level Gorilla's are 15× Stronger then a human 1 of the 2 people get caught in the Hypnosis of the Kyoka suigetsu As you said if a second person wakes the other up by strength you will turn it off for him Like you said bleach characters can do that aswell as the Naruto Characters So basically you won't need the Rinnegan to break out of the Kyoka suigetsu right if you can break it out with your strength? Or I misunderstand it
1) I never said Genjutsu wouldn't work on Bleach characters, All I said the caster needs to be equel or stronger than his opponent. 2) You forgot one important detail about Sasuke in that part of the series, He has The Curse Mark, which stated to absorb Nature Chakra later on in the series, That's how his Genjutsu worked on Manda. Also, when Itachi tried to take Sasuke's second Eye in his Tsukeyome World, Sasuke quickly wrapped his eye with the Curse Mark which then led to him Break out of His Genjutsu, That's how he did it, that's how Sasuke escaped, Because Mangekyo Sharengan alone is not enough to see through any Genjutsu, Kakashi had one yet he was trapped and tortured in Itachi's Tsukeyome World for 71 hours. 3) look dude, like I said, I'm not here to tell you how it is, I'm just here giving you information, that's all, you inturprate that info as you like, The conclusion I came up with is my personal opinion, You can have your own inturpritaton based on the new information about Kyoka Suigetsu all you like, I'm not here trying to hold your hand. Ok?
@@zackbrangen1528 I looked around the Databooks and I didn't found anything about Sasuke being able to use Nature Energy nor was it on the vs wiki that told it was one of his Abbilities he can only use summoning and the curse mark he only can Absorb Lightning from the sky but never showed the Abbility to use Nature Energy And even the Databooks says that Sasuke beated Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan with his own Sharingan and it's Expierinced and Mastering But don't credit the curse mark it was possible that Sasuke only used it on his eyes to scare Itachi a little off or to become 10× stronger to last it against his brother And the Reason Kakashi was so long stuck is because Kakashi always gets injured after using his Sharingan and has bad stamina with it and putting a Genjutsu on top of that puts more strain on your body and Kakashi is not an Uchiha and he hasn't mastered it in part 1 While Sasuke became master of it And was called Talented and Sasuke had no stamina issues with it until he obtains the Mangekyo Sharingan And remember I am not attacking you for being a bad channel and scaling this video was good but there where points that needed a little bit corrected
@@zackbrangen1528 also point number 1) I wasn't really saying to you that you where wrong I only informed you that Nature Genjutsu like Jiraiya and Kabuto also would work on Bleach characters It's not that you where wrong but it's just one you forgot to put on your list of Genjutsu that would work on Bleach characters
that is crap... no amount of SP can break out of KS and that was evident when yama had to touch aizen and juha who was miles stronger couldn't break it either
This info is wrong, Aizen got in the hipnosis the capt commande Yamamoto and the god Ywach, they both are way more powerful that Aizen, and they couldn't tell the difference.
@@zackbrangen1528 she was not, she suppect something, but she couldn't tell either, thats why she send ichigo ti fight Aizen. Why people always take things out of context?
@@rcarrion5000 *"A word of praise before I go, you examined my body thoroughly than any of the others, that you felt even a bit of suspicion while under the hypnoses spell is more remarkable, captain unohana."* - Sosuke Aizen. Despite being under Kyoka Suigetsu, she was able to feel something off about his fake body, that's how she knew he faked his death and came to warn Hitsugaya in Center 46.
@@zackbrangen1528 yea she suspect something.... thats not equal to see through !!! Thats all mate. She send ichigo to fight Aizen cuz he was the only one that wasnt under Kyoka Suigetsu spell.
Again u cannot compare characters from another world everyone keep saying that aizen fooled everyone in the gotei13 blah blah yes it was his intent but itachi didn’t have that intent for world domination if he so desires to he prolly could I think aizen is smart but he is too smart for his own good and proud of his powers because he thinks he is untouchable ….itachi is more cool headed and thinks wayyy more clearer and always tries to find the opponents weaknesses while aizen is so powerful he never needed to but……sometimes power loses to simple tricks
All genjustu effects the brain. Never has it been said you specifically need chakra for it too work. That's just a gross implication(headcanon) based on what Jiraiya told Naruto about attacking the chakra in the brain. What idiots don't realize is chakra is the same energy that resides in every cell of their body. This is why eating food can boost a chakra users chakra reserves(said in part 1). So all Jiraiya was basically saying in layman's terms is attack the *ENERGY* in someone's brain. Imagine believing that's not possible in other verses. Also I like how you put a divide between Magekyo and Rinnegan to genjutsu. Trying to escape the eye off the moon argument early huh? Well sorry to burst your bubble kiddo. But nothing has ever been stated EVER. That the eye off the moon is a special type of genjutsu. Infact it's the exact opposite. As this ability is described as nothing more than using tsukiyomi on the moon. Madara only needed the 3rd eye because his rinnegan didn't retain his sharingan abilities. Sasuke is a different case and even then they never said the tsukiyomi casted by the sharinnegan was special
I have no words, You literally rejected the rules of the Naruto Verse and made your own, first time i see someone do something like this, i don't know what to say.
@@zackbrangen1528 You have drawn some wrong implications. Like if you are equalizing verse than yeah even normal genjutsu would work accordace to the yin and yang spirtual energy and physical energy. Tsukiyumi i personally think is a more deadly weapon copare to complete hypnosis but war arc aizen had a edge to use his own body as kayuka. Even if itachi falls in kayuka he can broke out if going by narutoverse rules. And in the same way aizen can broke out of tsukiyumi cuz of itachi s own commetment ONLY A TSUKIYUMI USER CAN SNAP OUT. Explaining that an opposing illsuion strong enough to give real harm to spirit can snap out of tsukiyumi.
@@thatsthemusixs1956 You're selectively choosing rules to back up your argument, neglecting far more important ones, As i explained in the video, shinigami battles are spiritual battles, the stronger opponent can't be effected by any ability weaker opponents cast on him, that's why i said normal genjitsu won't work on them, What you did here is completely strip that well established rule in the bleach verse and made your own conclusion, that's not my approach, i looked at everything stated and shown in both verses and used their rules equally to come to my conclusion. Tsukuyomi is strong, but it can be broken easily, we saw sasuki using his cursed mark to amplify his sharingan with sage chakra and that helped him break it easy, so it's not comparable at all because not even all the captains of the 13 court guard squads AND the Vizard's collective Spiritual Pressure was able to seal Aizen's hypnoses, it's so strong, it even effected Yhwach himself, so you can't really make baseless assumptions without evidence. Also, like i said in the video, you can break kyoka Suigetsu, you only need strong eyes and strong chakra to do it, and as we established, Magekyuo is not strong enough, so itachi needs at least a rinnigan to do it. Only a tsukeyumi user can break out of it? Explain Sasuki then.
@@zackbrangen1528 Hmm know i am getting things But when sasuke shouted at tobi that itachi was trying to kill him with tsukiyumi Tobi said that DO YOU REALY THINK YOU CAN SNAP OUT FROM ANY OF HIS ILLUSIONS IF HE TRULY WAS TRYING TO KILL YOU. You take a statement from zetsu but its already debunked there are more statements that are debunked in anime itself. Its all depends upon which statements you wll take to describe. If am correct itachi wasnt serious even 1 time with someone to use tsukuyumi on him. In seth vid MADARA VS ITACHI seth showed up an interview of kishimoto where kishimoto said that ITACHI HAS TO BE KILLED FOR MADARA BECAUSE TSUKIYUMI CAN SLAUGHTER MADARA OTHER WISE ITS NOT MAKING ANY SENSE THAT ITACHI IS ALIVE AND HE IS NOT IN THE WAR SPECIALLY AFTER HIS GOOD SIDE IS REVEALED. Like i said before it depends upon which statements you are taking it to describe tsukiyumi what zetsu did was prediction may be. Like you claim above rinnegan can snap out of hypnosis NO thats also glitching the real fact ITS TRUE BUT NOT 100% JIRAYA PUT pain under genjutsu yeah the rinnegan pain SO THATS DESCRIBING YOU HAVE TO BE SKILLED WITH THE EYES. images.app.goo.gl/3Chho2dpEGMgTeCx9 Here this scan showing sharingan does not snap out of illusions by causing a special solution to it like pain,exess amount of chakra release or other things, sharingan is the eye of hypnosis to see through spells and illusions and than penetrate them remember THIS IS PENETRATION not any soulution to snap out of illusion like touching aizens blade MANY PEOPLE CONFUSE WITH THAT thats why its normal to say MS SHARINGAN CAN BREAK THROUGH POWER FULL ILLUSIONS. Watch sasuke story after the war where he used ms sharingan to break through a very strong illusion and user of the that illusion belongs to a clan whose speciality is illusions. NOW HOW POWERFULL IS AIZENS ILLUSION. Many narutards just trash argue that aizens illusion is just five sensory and kakashi described in season one a normal genjutsu is also sensory. HERE THEY MISSUNDERSTOOD. A normal genjutsu can be broken by causing pain while aizen can even kill you in hypnosis. A normal genjutsu can be broekn by releasig large amount of raw power but hypnosis trapped gotie captains with high spirtual pressure in it. So thats clearly means its above a normal genjutsu SOLUTION IS TOUCH AIZEN BLADE but how can we so sure about it because peneteration is never applied on kayuka thats the real fact WE CANT PUT KAYUKA AGAINST SHARINGAN cuz both these powers are giving statements in their own respectives. Like you compare them thats what i refered as false immplications NOT FALSE ACTUALLY BUT not satisfying as well. I am not opposing your research i know you have researched alot before doing this stuff but i am trying to show you another anglel from where i am looking hope you are understanding me.
You're clearly biased, you use the rules of bleach but not the rules of naruto. If anyone in Bleach gets hit by tsukuyomi (which is unlikely) they are only getting out if itachi runs out of chakra.
@@hajunjebat8180 Not true, tsukuyomi clearly bypasses jinchuriki state as itachi put other jins in tsukuyomi. ex: naruto who got clapped by fucking finger genjutsu.
@@vb2806 tsukuyomi is not just genjutsu or even ocular genjutsu or even just base mangekyo genjutsu , its a fucking mangekyo ability genjutsu which means that this rule does not apply. How the fuck would a tailed beast or a spirit be able to break its user out of tsukuyomi when it was clearly shown that if u get hit by it then nobody can free you.
Imagine Itachi trying to use Genjutsu on Kenpachi
Dess Erah lol he’d probably slice the genjutsu in half. I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually pulled some bullshit off like that.
Sum Ting Wong he’d laugh it off then cut it in half lmao then go on to say “that’s it?”
@Sum Ting Wong Ye
:/ if kenpatchi gets hit he loses the fight since he has absolutely no way of getting out.
@@coolshadow4541 seth the programmer explained anyone can get out of genjutsu by powering up and kenpachi has infinite power he can get out of anytime he literally destroyed a meteor as big as a hollow moon in Shikai mode. he doesnt feels pain. His bankai gives him infinite power of destruction. And he dont even need to remove his eyepatch to fight itachi
Imagine itachi try to stabbed aizen from behind, and the one who he stab is his own brother sasuke.
Aizen is op af
but then Aizen realizes that he was under genjutsu from the start
@@zararazeem6237 The fight is literally over the moment Itachi sees Aizens shikai or when he draws his zanpakuto. Doesn't matter if Itachi uses gengetsu because it would all be under Aizens Hypnosis. And theres no way around complete hypnosis as stated, it's not some weak optical illusion either so Itachi wouldn't even be able to sense it or know he's under it
@@thanos5149 unless you're Ichigo lol, plot armor protects him
@@BigMonkeyKing101 Ichigo was the only person that was never under the influence of Aizens Hypnosis. So...
@@zararazeem6237 Average Itachi Fan
The moment Aizen massacred the gotei thirteen with kyokasuigetsui without them knowing that he had been using it the whole time, I realized that Genjutsu was far cry from complete hypnosis.
Nah that's just bleach characters being vulnerable to illusions
@@Roronoa_Zoro_Official Because most of the Characters in Soul Society are weaker than him so that's why they didn’t notice it.
in Bleach, If the person gets stronger his abilities and power will become much more powerful.
@@ulitmatedangai4934 Aizen even trapped Yhwach under his hypnosis
Bleach fanboy genjutsu is more deadly, once your in tsukyomi it’s literal GG’s. The guy using it on you would have complete control over your 5 senses plus time, space and mass. The guy literally injects a universe into you and completely controls everything inside including you
@@The_endlessV1 and some characters still managed to escape it. What do you have to say? Also remember that 90% bleach characters have a zampakuto with them that can wake them up from whatever genjutsu and that they are much faster that naruverse characters.
"who said i wasn't using the kokyasuiegetsu"
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just be stronger than the hypnotizer, got it
If even Ywach, who is universal at worst, was affected by it, albeit only temporarily, then nobody from the narutoverse stands a chance, not even Shibai Otsutsuki.
Woah I didn’t know about shinjis bankai being teased in CFYOW it’s even more badass than I had hoped!!!
Finally got the answers i was looking for
Evryone forgot the fact that Aizen doesn't need his zanpakuto to put anyone under his kyoka suigetsu
It was said that he already fused his zanpakuto in the fight between aizen and Ichigo
Yup and Yhwach was put under his hypnosis by just looking at him in the first invasion. So makes me wonder how someone would keep themselves safe of the effect if there's no zanpakuto to touch. Would they need to touch aizen instead?
@@terrynichols4509 i Beleive ks currently doesn't have a counter
Only way to break out of it is to kill the user which is impossible
On this topic, I've actually read scans in Naruto were it states that Chakra is a fusion of physical and "mental" energy - not "spiritual" energy. I think that makes a big difference on whether chakra effect Bleach characters or not.
Do you know what scans I'm referring to that state this cause I haven't viewed it in a while?
Everyone in Naruto has yin chakra or spiritual chakra Shikamaru's clan use it to control shadows Ino's Mind Transfer uses spiritual energy etc. the original mental energy statement was either just retconned or was just the same thing either way as in mental energy and spiritual energy are just considered the same in Naruto
Spirit too bro it was explained in the chunin exams please stop trying to switch shit. Its stated as spiritual energy and physical energy. Also yin and yang bitchh
@@timmyers8349 if so how come in the war arc on naruto they couldn't kill the edo tensi with thy norm moves
@@lureyourpery5569 because the Edo Tensei regenarate from Ash
Even Madara was crushed by his own attack and came back from nothing
Edo Tensei's are some kind of Immortal
You can only stop them by sealing them in Mummies or stop the caster and force him to undo the jutsu
Kyoka Suigetsu reflects your senses and perception. It can make you perceived it's a genjutsu.
There isn't any debate about this
Aizen literally trapped all the most powerful characters in the entire Bleach series without their knowledge
That's enough to prove that Aizen is OP
well he is
@The boys upstairs. Nope narutoverse will backstab each other for next 100years😂
That's just because bleach characters have no resistance to illusions
Canon
@@fatboysergio737blud kyoka suigetsu literally controlled 5 sense, and the only thing you could do to get out of kyoka suigetsu is to touch the blade💀
FunFact: Aizen planned this video...
Just found your channel thanks to a comment from you con Clyde's. Really liked the video. In short, Bleach > Naruto
Eh just in terms of illusion yes
@@livingrentfree9596 Nah Bleach slaps Naruto characters in terms of everything Naruto characters aren't very strong compared to Bleach characters.
Most of the sternritters solos the verse
The Royal Guard solos
Some of the captains can solo as well
I'll debate you right here and prove that lots of Bleach characters solos the Narutoverse
Sousuke aizen: if you know, actually all people in konoha was hypnotized by my shikai and all the battle from naruto or hitachi is part of my scene.will different if i use bankai
Suzumushi's Bankais can turn off it's opponent's senses.
every naruto fans should except this fact that bleach solo naruto verse.
4:08 that weakness was created due to tokinada's lower spiritual pressure compared to aizen. it did not exist in the original kyoka suigetsu
This video is *ILLUSION*
Ps : nice soundtrack jojo part 2
Itachi:you will now spend 72 hours in the tsukyomi and in those 72 hours, and in those 72 hours I will be stabbing you!
Aizen:ack! Ah! Oh! Ow!
Itachi: uh?! Ack ! What's going on?!
Aizen: my sword, once it is viewed it puts my opponent under complete hypnosis.
since when i don't use kyoka suigetsu
In short, aizen is op
@Shaurya Tiwari he never said itachi was not
@Shaurya Tiwari yo, chill buddy. We all know itachi is powerful no need to get mad
@Shaurya Tiwari but in short, aizens hypnosis is better than itachis genjutsu
@Shaurya Tiwari Naruto? Minato? hashirama?
@Shaurya Tiwari bc aizens hypnosis last for a life time and you can’t escape it. once you see his shikai you are stuck in it every time he uses it. for itachi you can get out of it in a way, or can see that you’re in a genjutsu.
Not true it’s .....strength don’t break hypnosis If that’s the case head captain and yahbach would’ve beat him ... Aizen is stronger than any character in Naruto period.
Infinite tysokiyomi don't work on dead people 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Lmfao. Since Dragonball characters are so much more stronger, they won't be affected at all. Nice
They don't give a fuck whether DB characters are stronger or not, their abilities directly attacks the mind not the body.
@@contessa4490 🤡
9:40 tsukoyomi only work for chakra's user.
:/ who told you that
@@coolshadow4541 cakra exist in naruto's world bc haguromo
@@hajunjebat8180 ur trolling stop replying.
@@coolshadow4541 HES not lying
@@wrestlingempirechief9008 he is purposely spelling wrong and saying dumb shit to troll
This guy spiting fax
Shear force wont break u out of gentsu
Yes it will unless its occular
The genjutsu user will be the one is mental breakdown, if they see the scary death reaper 😂
@@coolshadow4541 name one person who broke out of a genjutsu with force
@@sorrybroo8303 😂😂they’ve seen ghosts before it ain’t nothing new
@@ce666isa3 shikamaru
Mangekyou send Chakra from the eye to the tergets eye then it's like the 7 espade and it should be able to be blocked with kido(DANKU)
Bruh.
They are similar,the fact it was given doesn't stop it being physical and spiritual energy
I think I might be able to explained why and how Jarayas sorry if I misspell his name genjustu worked on the three pains.
Shoot
Well this is my speculation and theory so hear me out okay reason 1 the rinnegans that the pains have were artificial. They were not the real once, ya they were connected with the real ones but they were still fakes. Reason 2 it was sage genjustu that Jariya used on the pains, the rinnegan was first created by the sage of the six paths who just became the ten tail jinchuriki and its very few weakness is nature chakara which sage mode has so it would seam regular genjustu won’t work on the rinnegan but sage genjustu would work on a real or especially a fake rinnegan. And finally reason 3 the sage genjustu was a sound genjustu, which is stated by Shikamaru sound genjustu is the most dangerous type of genjustu. And Jariya used his in a metal tunnel which the sound would bounce of the metal walls increasing its range and power. And their you have it that’s my theory tell me what you think, am I just over thinking it or am I doing something right be honest.
@@bradleyhall5847
1- Real or not, it has Rinnegan Abilities, Thus, it channels the essince of the rinnegan.
2- that's just prove what i said, that the Genjutsu was more powerful than Pain can handle.
3- i'm not too familiar with that kind of Genjutsu, but people said it can see through ALL Genjutsu, they never told me there are specific Genjutsu that it can't over come, so it's their fault, not mine.
🤷♂️🤷♂️ I never said it was your fault sorry if I hurt your feelings. And I said this was my theory but I guess it’s wrong thanks for having this discussion with me.
But the pains are just puppets and they are weak against Genjutsu especially Nagato's body was weak thus he barely controlled them
Madara isn't stronger than Aizen lmao
Is KS your favorite zanpaktou?
Kyoka Suigetsu reflects your senses and perception.
one kotoamatsukami and its over, kotoamatsukami literally overwrites your brain and it cannot be escaped
Well the pain that fell under Jiraiya's jutsu was hit by one that effects sound not sight, the rinnegan evolves from the sharingan so it has the same visual perks. Now this part is just head cannon but it's entirely possible Nagato, once getting Madara's rinnegan, didn't know he could revert it to the eternal mangekyo or use it's abilities like susano'o
This is not a statment in the manga, this is nonsense you came up with, show me the panel that directly state *"Sound is the only genjitsu that can effect the rinnigan"* otherwise don't make up stuff without proof.
@@zackbrangen1528 There's all the times where visual genjutsus don't work on sharingan users unless it's stronger than their sharingan or (in Sasuke and Madara's case) rinnegan, save for the non canon arc with the ketsuryugan. The genjutsu Jiraiya used was literally made from the frogs croaking, if he used a genjutsu that effects any other sense like taste or smell it would've worked too. And it's proven that the rinnegan has the same abilities as sharingan such as Sasuke using amaterasu with it and both he and Madara being untouched from infinite tsukuyomi which is the strongest genjutsu even over kotoamatsukami. The proof is literally scattered in the show, just rewatch it cause it seems like you need a refresher.
@@TakorraX "madara being untouched from infinite tsukuyom which is the strongest genjutsu" its own user cant be effected and sasuke susanoo was the thing that protected him from the infinite tsukuyomi, thats why naruto, kakashi and sakura didnt fall under infinite tsukuyomi
@@zackbrangen1528Theres no proof because no Sharingan users ever tried to use visual genjutsu/(through sight) against Rinnegan. Logic.
If Sharingan can see through illusions, then Rinnegan do much better. Thats why it resists even the highest level of genjutsu, IT.
Rinnegan users only be affected through hearing, smell, touch but not by SIGHT.
Great video, could explain if the same thing happens in the dragon ball universe like the characters of this anime can be caught by kyoka Suigetsu the same thing with one piece, Jojo and etc?
A lot of them can break out of it
@@coreywilson3189 how?...I hope you know that in the last arc of Bleach Aizen didn't need his sword to cast his spell again
not work if his opponent has reiatsu(spirit energy) bigger than aizen. that why ichigo dangai form immune from aizen'a hypnotis and aizen created wonderwish to seal yamamoto's zanpaktou ,if yamamoto using his bankai ,he will immune from aizen shikai and he scare to zaraki kenpachi becouse zaraki has high reiarsu.reiatsu similiar with cosmos .saint seiya's n sailor moon's character to op for aizen.
@@hajunjebat8180 Actually Ichigo's dangai form wasn't immune to it. You seem to forget the fact that Ichigo was never under Kyoka Suigetsu in the first place. He never looked at Aizen's Shikai once
@@hajunjebat8180 ichigo isn't immune to anything. Aizen just didn't think he was strong enough for him to used the KS
Madara isn’t more powerful than aizen but everything else was spot on
since when i wasn't use my kyoka?
Actually madara and even obito >>> aizen
kyoka suigetsu won’t work on them ✔️
Now chakra isn't spiritual but Obito transferred chakra threw his soul. Hagoromo became a chakra spirit. The tailed beast are chakra spirits given shape by Hagoromo. The edo tensei have infinite chakra because the limitation if the body isn't present because the infinite power of the soul is channeled threw a vessel... the ego tensei 😑
Hopelesss soul maybe, cant perform. Any jutsu without chakra flow in body of living body
awesome video
Shisui's Kota amatsukiyomi is way too similar to aizen's complete hypnosis
Both when cast will make the victim not even realising they r under the control of the caster
i think mangenkyu's genjustsu doeant work on haki's user becouse the can use haki barrier.
What is Genjutsu by Kid Kinsey for those who want to know what genjutsu is.
Great job finally some voice
Also I think it should be noted, the sharigan and rinnegan eye ( i forgot its name) has the ability of infinite tsukoyomi ( which u probably already know) and that ability is casted on everyone in the world at that moment, also only people with the rinnegan can break free from it, making the fact that I doesn't matter how strong the person is that doesn't have the rinnegan, they will always be affected by it.
That's a "No limit fallacy" argument, which is the worst argument in vrs battle,
"Oh, this sword can cut through steel, steel is the hardest metal In this universe, that means this sword can cut through superman"
This is why people don't use this argument, because it's dumb,
Just because the Rinnigan is the strongest eye ability in Naruto, doesn't Mean no Bleach character can resist it, That's not how that works.
I don't really care about aizen vs madara or itachi vs madara I just wanted to state that.
Except it's canonical that If you're strong enough you can resist basically any ability from someone weaker, no matter how much of a hack it is. Aizen shrugged off Soi Fon's ability that is literally an instant kill that bypasses damage entirely if it just nicks you twice in the same spot
Infinite tsukyomi requires rinnesharingan, god tree and moonlight, idiot. It cannot be casted by sharingan or even rinnegan. If Sharingan or Rinnegan had that ability, why did Madara wait?? Didn't he had EMS and Rinnegan before his death
You actually cant counter aizens kyoka suigetsu with just shere force you have to be fast enouph to grab him or his sword but if you do that the hypnosis only is off for how ever long you can hold, you can also disarm him
Like Yamamoto
Azashiro can counter tho
@@DetectiveLawliet it’s not an illusion it’s hypnosis.
Do some VS battles.
I might come off as a biased Source, but I'll think about it.
is madara stronger than aizen???????????????? stupid power scales can t let you draw conclusions
Nope,Aizen is unfair,he would win
In power BLEACH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NARUTO
In popularity NARUTO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BLEACH
Popularity dosent mean good. Berserk is not famous as Naruto but is infintely better than it.
Bleach artstyle,power system and character's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Naruto
@@godking1257 ok
This is true. Bleach is stronger, but Naruto is defo more popular. Naruto is the second most popular Anime of all time ❌🧢
@@xyromastr who the hell cares about popularity. A mangaka getting 120k of his stories is better than most. If kubo health was not bad then Kubo definitely would have supprased kishimoto. (I have respect for both mangaka.)
@@xyromastr no it's no. It's the third best selling manga in Shonen jump. The most famous is aot,db and one piece.
Well ! When Sasuke cast the genjutsu on Killer B , it was a slightly less effective than the Tsukuyoumi and Killer wasn't affected thanks to the control of his beast . Besides Sasuke wasn't well experienced about the MS abilities . So the genjutsu was not superior as the Tsukuyoumi or Kotoamatsukami
But he did surpass it in his fight with Itachi, remember?
He cut his Tsukuyomi in half, he broke the fake reality itachi put him in.
@BANG /:BANG i love how it was shown that Sasuki used the cursed mark to amplify his sharingan AND stated by Zetsu himself that Sasuke broke his genjitsu, but sure, let's bring an argument stated NO WHERE in the series,
Just ignore the part where Obito told Sasuki that itachi wanted to push him to his limits so that he can free him from Oroshimaru, no, nope, that doesn't count,
Also, by your logic, what sasuki was gonna do to combat the Amaterasu?
Oh right, you forgot he used it to almost kill sasuki,
@BANG /:BANG you still showed no proof that itachi broke his own genjitsu, it was stated AND SHOWN with visual presentation that Sasuki himself, used the cursed mark, amplify the power of his sharingan with sage chakra (yes, it was confirmed that cursed marks atract sage chakra) to break itachi's genjitsu,
And your counter to this fact is an argument supported by zero evidence, no statment fron itachi anywhere says he broke his own genjitsu to help sasuke, nothing, not one proof no where to be found,
And i'm the one who's high balling, great, thank.
@BANG /:BANG the fact that you had to write this long essay as "proof" itachi broke his own genjitsu, shows that you have ZERO PROOF that he did, congradulations, you played yourself,
I can't believe i wasted my time reading entire novels and scan panels in my video to prove my point when all i had to do was make baseless arguments about how Bleach verse can win with one attack, thank you for showing me how easy it is,
Why didn't Itachi use Tsukuyomi to immobilise Kabuto? If he couldn't then there are ways to get out of it without having a MS. Then Aizen can do it too.
man can somebody tell me in exact who is strong itachi or aizem
@BANG /:BANG yeah but itachi cant break through aizen kyoka suigetsu and aizen also cannot break through izanagi means the first one to do their hypnosis to another wins and i am sure itachi can figure that aizen is a strong opponent and he will do izanagi on purpose so it clearly means the first one to do their hypnosis/genjutsu wins...
It's almost as if you think Aizen is strong BECAUSE of kyoka suigetsu. It wouldn't matter if itachi used izanagi or not, Aizen's spiritual pressure alone would be enough to make Itachi shit himself.
Aizen for sure, forever
Aizen
Aizen solos naru verse but ok
All depends on who uses there respective powers first
If genjutsu is used on aizen first then aizen gets defeated
If aizen uses kyokai suigetsu first the opponent gets defeated
In the end it's all abt intelligence
Not true. The only genjutsu that would have a consistant effect on Aizen is kotoamatsukami. Even tsukuyomi which i consider to be a more potent genjutsu when it comes to raw power and versitability would barely effect aizen since he has sustained way worse torture than anything itachi can come up with. Not to mention the fact that even with infinite chakra Itachi cant keep up tsukuyomi forever. But the reverse is not true for Aizen, aizen could prob solo most of the naruto verse with shikai alone.
@@coolshadow4541 i think even kurotsuchi mayuri can come up with how to negate the effects of kotoamatsukami bleach verse is too op
@@rizzgod-wj6ty idk about that one chief. He is not even top 3 minds in bleach while itachi is prob #2 or #1
@@coolshadow4541 it depends if he gets time for it's research he can find a solution or even urahara will do the trick
@Shaurya Tiwari thats a myth, itachi develops the torture himself. If that were the case dont you think kakashi would have seen rin die over and over instead of just itachi with the swords.
if it's sharingan genjutsu, it's over for the opponent, a glimpse is enough and izanami can be triggered to opponents even when they're blind. aizen needed to execute properly as if to do ceremony to pull kyoka suigetsu.
Bleach characters can break any kind of Hax, also, Aizen isn't the only illusion user in Bleach,
And lastly, this isn't who vs who, this is just analyzing both abilities and see how can they stack up against each universe, that's all,
@@zackbrangen1528 Don't forget that Aizen fucked with Ywatch's perception of time! Ywatch can change the future before him at will and see several futures at once! Basically an izanagi ability with extra steps! Aizen's perfect hypnosis is just that! Bleach illusion is in another league compared to narutoverse illusion!
@@tkshadowboy9 aizen shikai's ability able to controlling 5 sense. yhwach can see the future is one of his sense.
since i don't use kyoka suigetsu?
Bruh...I'm sure You don't need Aizen to defeat Itachi
How about Hirako Shinji
Aizen can't be put under genjutsu with his glasses off. he wudnt be able to see
Also add the fact that genjutsu requires chakra to actually work.
@@NorseNuggie yes but depends on the type of genjutsu. if it's the infinite tsukuyomi, itachi's tsukuyomi, or a sage art genjutsu like jiraiya/kabuto's sage are genjutsus, then it would affect people who don't have chakra
But since Aizen isn't a living being, most genjutsus won't work on him other than possibly kabuto's sage art one which worked on edo itachi although that is also debateable because itachi's body was a reanimation of a real body whereas aizen has no real body
@@dnan9638 literally the only genjutsu in naruto that doesnt require chakra is the infinite tsukuyomi, itachis tsukuyomi does require a chakra network to work. You dont have to have chakra but you need a chakra network without one it is impossible to perform or even put someone under the affects of a genjutsu even if its a ocular genjutsu.
At what time did you think I wasn't using my kyokasuigetsu
- Lord AIZEN
Lately I've been seeing people saying kyoukai suigetsu is the same as genjutsu
Here from what i understand
Feel free to correct me since im not good and knowledgeable enough for this.
Kyouka suigetsu isn't genjutsu - Genjutsu is manipulation of chakra flow of a target's cerebral nervous system, thereby affecting their five senses. Since bleach doesn't have chakra flow genjutsu wouldn't work(probably some will work). Aizen's Kyouka suigetsu control all senses and since every ability in bleach affect soul, you could say it's an attack to soul (not brain,cerebral nervous system etc....).
the only way i can see someone breaking out,immune to kyoukai suigetsu is
- blind people (since you need to see the release of kyoukai suigetsu for it to work, of course it's not gonna work on blind people)
- maybe remove and change all your 5 senses lol
- have the power "almighty"
- have aizen release you.
- touch Aizen sword (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵)
- be stronger than aizen
Question
1 since Aizen fuse with his zampakuto do you now need to touch him to break out of his perfect hypnosis?!.
2 is kyoukai suigetsu have anything to do with brain because when i heard the word hypnosis, brain is the first thing come into my mind. I tried to search but all im seeing is kyoukai suigetsu control all senses but i did not see anything related to brain.
if aizen was in madara place he would just sit down and watch every one fighting each other, because there is no one in naruto that can break out of aizen kyogo suigetsu
Hey brother can you please tell me who will win in kotoamatsukami vs kyoka suigetsu cause they are very similar what do you think can aizen break free kotoamatsukami I think he can't because one has to do whatever the user says after koto is applied.
Chakra is positive or life energy. Chakra is life energy. chakra is sanskrit word. Aizen is a soul he doesn't have life energy. It is started in puran our ancient book.
I don't believe that raw strength can counter hypnosis as Ywach had the highest level of Reiatsu at the time and Aizen was able to Hypnotize every possible reality to the point where he couldn't see Ichigo slash him from behind
That's because Aizen is in a level close to Yhwach,
If Yhwach is way above Aizen to the point his Spirit Pressure alone could harm him, then yes, it won't work,
But Aizen is Top 5 strongest Characters in the Verse, he was even in the Top 5 War Candidates who have the potential to stop Yhwach due to his High Level Reiatsu.
@@zackbrangen1528 Spiritual Pressure= Reiatsu levels yes, and when a character has overflowing level like when Yhwach took the Soul Kings Reiatsu within himself he was able to crush two War Potential Candidates without even putting out much of an effort
In his fight with Ichibe he was able to take each and every attack and even lost all his senses and with his "Almighty" ability alone was able to smash Ichibe into pieces(which later on Ichibe returned due to Ichigo saying his name)
In his fight with Ichigo, he was able to match Ichigo's level of ability and afterwards took everything away from him after the fight was basically over for Ichigo and finally came face to face with Aizen.
He crushed two War Potential Candidates without effort and while facing Aizen he was not just able to nullify his Kido attacks but even ripped a hole in his chest and ripped his arm off without using his sword, and broke all bankai levels before it could be used against him.
Aizen was able to negate physical attacks with his Reiatsu against the members of the Gotei13 in the Arrancar Arc and took damage only against Ichigo in his Mugetsu form, which means Ichigo surpassed him at that time. Meaning that Hypnosis would never have worked on Ichigo, yet he was fully able to fool Yhwach in present time but in all possible futures which basically states that Reiatsu levels don't really matter as in the Arrancar Arc, Yamamoto was stronger then Aizen always and yet fell victim to his Hypnosis
the hypnosis does not depend on the spiritual pressure of victim, that is a flaw created in kyoka suigetsu used by tokinada, as he could not perfectly copy aizens zanpankto due to his lower spiritual preesure
How about kyoka is only genin genjutsu level and aizen is only hill level
“PoWer SCaIlinG iS mY sPecIaLtY”
God like scaling.
Because the definition aizen gave is the one shikamaru gave for a basic genjutsu
@@Kidkinsey yeah but the thing about this "basic genjutsu" is that it will never stop working no matter what
@@debbiek3469 so because they don't have good resistance KS is more broken?
Genjutsu only gets broken out of because they are aware of the inducement and developed counters
@@Kidkinsey Kyoka suigetsu is like kotoamatsukami.It can't be broken,it works without even the person knowing they are in the hypnosis
Dante speaks facts.
It means madar would defeat aizen since has strength and can put aizen in genjutsu.
Also he would just need Aizen to hit him once which he can easily tank and he will be out of his hypnosis.
Itachi using tsukiyomi on aizen to get violated lol
uchiha sharingan Is not just control there five senses it will create reality or dimensional i think. Or it will access to reality or densional
Can you explain azien zanpakto abilty
Actually naruto universe have before That white clan or alien and i believe It's called Sage jujutsu
You didn't mentioned kougas abilities.
You can't get out of occular genjutsu with sheer force or flexing that's never been a thing lol, kurama couldn't flex out of obitos bee couldn't flex out of itachis etc, to resist kyoka suigetsu you need resistance to preception manipulation you dont NEED to touch the sword, it worked on yhwach cuz u he cant see through illusions
You forgot to mention that genjutsu can damage the victim and do alot more then KS and shinjis ability, GJ can control your emotions mind control u put you to sleep make you relieve past trauma etc, also kotoamatsukami rewrites your memories and is mind control to say KS is on the same level is iffy
You cant assume zanpaktou spirits will know the host Is under AND know how to get them out of it, junchuriki had to learn to do that theres no evidence shinigami can, there's also no evidence the hyokogu can snap aizen out of infinite tsukyomi
The sharingan can see through illusions and it's been shown multiple times, sasuke vs itachi itachi vs kuranei kakashi vs obito etc, kakashi KNEW tsukyomi was fake but it's not just an illusion he creates a universe in your head that he can control everything in
Shinjis bankai can be resisted with resistance to perception manipulation, ninja train from childhood on how to deal with illusions and trickery where as bleach characters dont
Well, if you watched the video, you would have noticed that i explained why sheer force can break you out of genjutsu, it's because the higher spritirual pressure you have, the lower the effect of an ability can cause, this is a rule set in the bleach universe, tons of characters can cancel hax abilities like Barragan's aging ability, Soi-fon's 2 hit kill, and Orihime's rejection, all hax abilities can be cancelled by sheer force, hell even Kyoka Suigetsu was cancelled by sheer force in the light novel, so if you going to adapt the bleach universe to a vs Battle with Naruto, you gonna have to adapt it's rules too, you can't pick and choose what to adapt, go all in.
So?, Hypnoses Kido does the same too, There are kidos that paralyzes you, put you to sleep, there is also an Espada who can mind controll people, and even that ability was cancelled, it wasn't important to address, and as for Kotomatsukami, it's not something special ether, There is a Fullbringer who can manipulate your memories as well, and he couldn't effect Byakuya with it, so it's not really that big of a deal.
The Zanpakuto part i'll give you that, however, The Hogyoku was shown to save Aizen multiple times from danger, once it refused his death and made him immortal, the second it gave him a powerboost to match ichigo's strength, and then when Aizen lost, it evolved him again to the same level as ichigo's Final Getsuga Tenshou, it can literally do anything, it's out of the question.
The Sharingan can see through illusions, yes, but not all of it, like for example, Sasuki vs Danzo, Danzo kept looking at his arm to see how many eyes left to perform Izanagi, but sasuki put a subtle illusion into his mind that made him see one closed eye open, this should have never happened because Danzo has a Sharingan, but because it's not as strong as Sasuki's, he couldn't see through his Genjutsu.
Shinji used his Bankai agains an army of Vasto Lorde Hollows, you know, the most powerful hollows who can rival captains?
Shinji was surrounded by an army of them, hollows grow intelligence everytime they evolve, they are not weak minded, and even they fell under Shinji's bankai.
@@zackbrangen1528 that's sheer force thing is inconsistent and can even be considered be to retconned, KS worked on yhwach tosens bankai worked on kenpachi etc, GJ dosent have the weakness of being sheer forced out of while I understand equalizing energies to just grant resistances to bleach characters is iffy
Kotoamatsukami is special when comparing it to KS, it does what KS does as well as complete mind control and memory manipulation, howcome the FB couldn't effect byakuya I forgot, and yes there are hypnosis kido but there a GJ which make u see illusions while u sleep and can even make u relieve your worst nightmare etc
Yes the hyogoku Grants him reactive evolution and immortality but it hasn't been shown to grant resistances, it's based on the users desires iirc how would aizen know hes UNDER GJ and if its infinite tsukyomi that's literally aizens dream the hyokogu would have no reason to wake him up if it can even do that
Danzo didnt have a sharingan looking at sasukes illusion he dosen't see through his sharingan, danzos sharingan are on his arm sasuke placed a GJ on danzos real eye
Yes I know they arent weak minded but they lack resistance to perception and morality manipulation which is what shinji does
@@Kidkinsey So is many other powers in Naruro, that doesn't change the fact it was stated and shown several times in the show,
We saw Aizen cancel Soi-fon's technique, we saw Kenpachi grab ichigo's sword without being cut, Hell, we even saw Yhwach Cancel Ichibe's Bankai ability, that was the biggest hax in the bleach universe, and he rejected it, how many evidence do you want after that?
PS: Tosen is a Captain just like Kenpachi, their powers were comparable at that time because Kenpachi had only unlocked part of his powers.
Like i said, Kotomatsukami is nothing special because Bleach Character demonstrated similar abilities.
You think Aizen wouldn't notice he's under Hypnoses? We are talking about Aizen here, he is more smarter than you give him credit,
Also, yes he will notice, because Even Yhwach figured out that he was under Aizen's Hypnoses, because he started to notice that time is distorted in his mind, he quickly understoon Aizen did something to him, if Yhwach can figure out he's under Hypnoses, then so can Aizen.
Ok, fine, i'll give you that, but what about Kakashi? He couldn't block Itachi's GJ, we seen this with Sasuki where he was completely fooled by Itachi until he activated his cursed mark to break his GJ apart,
Even Sasuki couldn't see through Itachi's deception until he powerboost his sharingan, kakashi couldn't break out of itachi's GJ ether.
Except they are, Look at Ulquiorra, can you tell me he's a guy who will be effected by Genjitsu?
How about Starrk? Or Even Nellill Tu, these are characters shown to have strong mind and will, Vasto Lorde's are not to be underestimated.
@@zackbrangen1528 yes but it's either been retconned or has inconsistent showings some people even say aizen had her in KS and was lying about that explanation, kenpachi grabbing ichigos sword wasnt nulling hax he was just ALOT stronger and yhwach countered his hax with hax he didnt just flex his way out
I dont think tousen and kenpachi were comparable, when kenpachi actually got a hold of him he 2 shot him iir
U would have to find like 3-4 abilites and mix them just to get to what kotoamatsukami is capable of, I'm mostly comparing koto to KS and shinjis shikai
Yes aizen is a genius but theres no evidence to say hes gonna know when his mind is being messed with or his senses, the one time he dealt with perception manipulation shinji told him exactly how it works, yhwach only noticed aizen messed with him because his assistant noted they have no time left
Tsukyomi isnt just an illusion it creates a dreamlike scenario in your head in which itachi controls everything, sasuke and kakashi knew it was fake but it's a direct attack on the mind
Strong mind and will dosent= resistance to higher tier mind manip, ulq and everyone else you mentioned have no resistance to mind manip we cant assume they will defeat a mental attack because they have strong will, that goes for KS to I wouldn't say luffy can resist KS or tsukyomi because he has a strong will
@@Kidkinsey Kakashi was using his Kamui like a machine gun in the war arc, when using it 3 times put him the hosbital.
Six path sage characters stated be only damaged by sage mode users, yet here's kakashi and sakura hurting kaguya with zero sage abilities.
Madara stole kakashi's eye and used it to kamui himself to obito's dimension, that's not how kakashi's eye works, it kamui stuff into his dimention, it can't kamui kakashi himself, that's a rule breaker, See? I can point out inconsistenties all day, it means nothing.
Ok.
There is, Because even Unohana was able to see through Aizen's hypnoses, she noticed something is wrong with his body and noted that it's fake.
You could Aizen is cocky when he's fighting enemies, but that because he'a fighting people he already study, but when it's people he never fought before, he takes full precaution, like with Yhwach and shinji, the first glimpse he cought of Yhwach he put him immediatley under his control, and when he fought Shinji, he needed to study his shikai ability before he makes his move, he would defenatley notice someone is messing with him if he put his mind into it.
Sasuki broke it with his cursed sharingan though.
I asked you a question, do you really believe tsukyomi can do anything to ulquiorra?
Like anything?
madara being stronger then tybw aizen thats cap
What does the hogyoku have to do with madara trapping him in infinite tsykyoumi this is about illusions right? you're being biased. You should've put "personal thoughts" in the title.
The Hogyoku has the power to bend Reality,
It gave Aizen the Ability to Break the Rules of the BleachVerse,
For example, *The Kotatsu*
The Soul Train that travels the Dangai World, it was stated to something Spirit Energy can't handle,
But Aizen destroyed it with his Power,
If the Hogyoku Has the Power to Break The Rules, it can Wake him out of the Infinite Tsukeyome no doubt,
As it gave Aizen Immortality when he was about to die from Gin's Poinson.
Snypxr well if u take out both eyes izanagi doesn’t work. And if u break out of the genjutsu, izanami doesn’t work either
Nothing lol, the hyokogu isnt just gonna give him resistance to mind and perception manipulation
It didnt make him immune to poison gin actually killed him
@@zackbrangen1528 yeah i agree with this but i don't think its fair to use that argument in hogyoku aizen vs 6 paths madara since u can just say: hogyoku breaks aizen out of everything.
One second he said that mangekyo sharingan puts chakra of user in victims brain and persorms genjutsu.
Then he says that people in bleach universe can overpower it with reitasu.
But if it is chakra shouldn't it be broken using chakra. So if users chakra is in shinegami and shinegami don't know what chakra is so they won't be able to break it. Even with reiatsu.
I can also do anime bulshit science.
I have to disagree with you on the spiritual energy thing being retconned its specifically stated Yin Release is made of Spiritual Energy and this is literally as the Otsutsuki Clan are introduced just cause Naruto humans didn't originally have chakra doesn't somehow debunk it being connected to their souls, all it means is Naruto humans had souls before they gained chakra just like they had physical energy before they had chakra, and that chakra is just the medium in which each of these energies can be used.
Explain how Nature Chakra is different than Normal Chakra,
If in Bleach, Reiatsu is in everything, even Animal & Solid Object?
How can Normal Chakra be equel to Reiatsu, then You have Nature Chakra (WHICH ALSO EQUEL TO REIATSU) but different than Normal Chakra?
Fix this Plot Hole then continue.
@@zackbrangen1528 I dont think you understand what a plot hole is. Anyway, nature chakra is energy that can be collected from the atmosphere and terrain. If one can collect the natural energy from around them and combine and balance it with the spiritual and physical energy that makes up their chakra, they can become sages, allowing them to use senjutsu and enter Sage Mode. whereas normal chakra is the combination of spiritual energy and physical energy. Not sure whats difficult to understand here bud
@@TensaMugetsu1 Nature Chakra is the Chakra that exist in all living Beings, its what Animals use as a source of power,
Much like In Bleach, Reiatsu is the source of power Animals use,
But the difference is in Bleach it also used by Humans,
While in Naruto only Ninjas use chakra that is different,
Not even all humans in Naruto have Chakra, hell, not even Animals have chakra,
Look at Dragon Ball, all life forms use *Ki*
But in Naruto, Chakra is exclusive. While in Bleach, Reiatsu is general,
You can't just declare it's similar based on a fact that is not true considering it came from a different planet with different use,
Nature Chakra can be considered to be similar to Reiatsu, but Normal Chakra is a different Story,
@@zackbrangen1528 There is no such thing as Nature Chakra there's only Natural Energy which only exists in the atmosphere and terrain (Star as well going off the Novels); 2.bp.blogspot.com/-JOLCDl34tqU/WCWQxKtgf0I/AAAAAAACjak/i2IZ082-BAILv3kOWu2P6XkQz0NyhBpHwCHM/s16000/0409-013.png
It does not exist inside creatures at all (except the ones that manually pull it in) its considered an external energy.
Normal Chakra similar based upon the fact they both make use of Spiritual Energy to achieve there affects meaning regular Genjutsu would affect the soul of the target anyway so basically all Naruto verse Ninja would be able to detect the fact they're in an Illusion right away from the Bleach side however i do agree that characters would need to be stronger than the Reiatsu user to break out of the Illusion tho just due to the mechanics of the Bleach verse.
It does get complicated tho when Naruto verse ninja can break out of Illusion's by people stronger than them all the time like Sakura breaking out of Kabuto's Genjutsu in the Chunin exams etc. so its like do you go with the Bleach verse mechanics or the Naruto verses ones.
@@zackbrangen1528 No. Its nature energy, you absorb this and balance it with your own chakra in order to become a sage like Naruto. You're saying everyone has nature energy which they dont. Nature energy is literally the energy of the planet. Thats why when Naruto was undergoing sage training he was absorbing the nature energy around him.
If he already had "nature chakra" like you said then why would his training revolve around absorbing it when he supposedly already has it. You can read the novels, databooks etc. Nature chakra doesnt exist and you are getting confused.
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Rinnegan is immune to any visual hypnosis/genjutsu so kyoka suigetsu wouldnt work on someone like madara 10 tails god tree absorbed
That's not true, ➡️ 8:35
Actually, Rinnegan is in fact inmune to visual genjutsu. Jiraiya's genjutsu was an auditory genjutsu and not a visual one, so Pain wasn't immune to it.
@@zackbrangen1528 if you heard me I said rinnegan is still immune to visual genjutsu's for the kyoka suigetsu to work you have to look at his blade, are you that dense, btw gnejutsu can warp time it self the kyoka suigetsu just does the 5 basic sense same with a normal genjutsu
@@snyderovigot9136 *"Rinnigan immune to visual genjitsu"*
1) that was never stated in any panel in the manga, guides, Anime, Novels or even the author himself,
If it was stated, show me the source and i'll take what i said back in a heart beat, i just want the source of this myth.
2) Kyoka Suigetsu is not Genjitsu, in Naruto, Genjitsu is parasitic chakra that invade the body and causes illusions,
Kyoka Suigetsu is an ability performed by Aizen's spiritual energy, not the same thing,
And even if they are the same thing, that means the laws of the Bleach universe also effect the laws of Naruto,
If we hypothetically say rinnigan can see throw all illusions, it still means nothing,
Barragan's ability can age anything, the sky, the moon, the earth, anything he likes, but it can't effect Aizen, why? Because shinigami battle is spirit energy battle, the one with high reiatsu can counter any ability,
That means with shere force Aizen can subject his Hypnoses opon the Rinnigan if he wanted to even if it can "See Through all illusions"
As long as Aizen is more powetful than the rinnigan user, it means nothing,
The dude survived a 2 instant death techniques without even trying for god sake.
Zack Brangen
When the infinite tsukiyomi was cast on earth, Sasuke didn’t get caught in it because he had a rinnegan.
Visual genjutsu won’t work in rinnegan users however other forms could
Aizen’s far more powerful than Madara he scales to Universal and Infinite Tsukuyomi can’t work on Edo Tensei which mean it can’t work on Shinigami and Hollows
You forgot that Kido Aizen used to bend light. You forgot the Zero Squad chick that created illusions with clothing. I bet you forgot other Bleach illusion users as well. But when are you gonna do Bleach vs Naruto characters? Like Yhwach!
I addressed the fact I'm only gonna Focus on 3 of them,
If I explained every Hypnosis in Bleach, this video would have came out next Month with an addition 20 Minutes,
Hey bro you are wrong when you say chakra is given by otsusuki, bcz chakra alwasy have been present in every living living organism , otsusuki only teach them how to weald it, they created ninjutsu not chakra
*Wiki:* "On Earth, humans didn't have chakra until Hamura and Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki were born with it,[2] which was a result of their mother Kaguya eating their planet's chakra fruit from the Tree. Hagoromo spread chakra to others through a practice called ninshū, intending to create peace by using the chakra to connect people's spiritual energy so that they would understand one another without even talking. However, the people did not use chakra in the way Hagoromo hoped, instead using it to connect their inner spiritual and physical energies. They kneaded their inner chakra to amplify and weaponise it, creating what is now known as ninjutsu."
@@zackbrangen1528 I don't agree!, every living organism born with chakra it's just need to activated if there is no chakra then humans can't be able to do every day task😌
Aizen: if I oull out my sword, you are under my hypnosis
Itachi: the moment you looked into my eyes, you fell into my genjutsu
Aizen-when did you think that i wasn't using my complete hypnosis
It's actually just looking in his general direction
Alternative title: *Thousand year blood war arc Aizen vs Itachi*
Itachi: The moment you looked into my eyes, you fell into my gengetsu
Aizen: *Laughs* No.....the moment you looked into MY eyes you fell into my complete hypnosis
@The boys upstairs.
Itachi: *Wakes up from the BS dream he just had*
@The boys upstairs.
Itachi: *Wakes up inside Deez nutz*
Hey bro. If I remembered, the Jiraiyas genjutsu wasn't a occular genjutsu. Was an aural genjutsu(sound, not occular). Cuz that the pain fall into it.
Point is, it was never stated the rinnigan can see through all illusions, and even if it did, the Bleach universe can still break hax abilities, so it doesn't matter.
@@zackbrangen1528 yeah, KS and etc will work no difficulty incluse with 10 rinnegans, but the thing is that rinnegan is like an anti-sharingan. Cuz that, Jiraiya use very good his aural genjutsu.
(Lol, the comment was only for the visual and aural detail)
Thanks for replying that quick bro!!!
@@zackbrangen1528 Kyoka Suigetsu won't matter on Rinnegan Madara. Madara possess abilities such as Limbo and Izanagi to counter the Hypnosis. Izanagi this gives Madara a edge because of the reason that it can basically cast a jutsu upon the user to cheat death itself at the cost of an Sharingan eye. But logically speaking Madara could heal his eye instead of losing it(this a hypothesis but it more likely could happen) as seen from Naruto creating Kakashi a new eye after Madara stole it. Aizen possesses no Rinnegan or Sage art to even see or sense Limbo since it's in another dimension that pseudo-exists with the physical world. Also Madara's limbo shadow do not share his senses and switch themselves with him therefore switching senses in other words Madara has escaped Kyoka Suigetsu. Also Limbo: Border Jail could do a significant amount of damage to Aizen since it had the might to take down all 9 tailed beasts with just 1 Rinnegan. Pls answer
@@hahahahahayeahxx3520 this video is a comparison between Genjitsu & Hypnoses to see how both universes can battle each other,
This is not a madara vs aizen debate,
If you want this debate, then go watch Seth's Video,
Link: th-cam.com/video/VchqvMYjvbA/w-d-xo.html
@@zackbrangen1528 Madara possesses more Destructive powers than Aizen. Aizen does not have any destructive powers that could measure up to Madara's and sure some will say that Hado 99: 5 Dragon Destruction, Fragors, and Hado 90: Black Coffin can supposingly One Shot Madara because of Seththeprogrammers video. Let me break it down to you.
Hado 90: Black Coffin is an ability that cuts the opponent inside a large black box which restricts the opponent from moving. However, Madara can easily over power this ability with a protective Susanoo(incomplete) then later shatter it with a single slash of its sword.(note: this is not a black hole a 1/4 amount of black hole can destroy the earth). Hado 99: 5 Dragon Destruction(my favorite ability in Bleach) is where 5 large pillars of light are generated around the user that is composed of Reiatsu that resemble large dragons that can destroy its surrounding and enhance itself but absorbing Reiatsu. Aizen's only options are fragors, Hado 99, and his Zanpakto. But these options arent 100% useful. Aizen's Zanpakto could lose durability after roughly cutting one meteor up this also could shatter his sword, Hado 99 could do some significant damage but it couldn't completely destroy it same with Fragors. Pls read this not Seth's
So death battle has the wrong winner.
Some one show this to nuxtaku
Chakra is not reiatsu
Tsukyomi doesn’t have anything to do with how strong someone is. It was stated by itachi himself , “you have to have a sharingan stronger than mines to be able to break this genjutsu.” Meaning anything is useless if you aren’t an uchiha
So you want to merge the laws of the Naruto verse to the Bleach verse without considering Bleach verse laws?
So, Aizen can be a shinigami, but the rules of how his powers work need to change to satisfy Naruto's rules?
Yeah, nice try.
Zack Brangen we’ve never seen anyone get out of the tsukyomi besides a sharingan user, show me otherwise.
@@acerswift123 you just discribed *No Limit Fallacy* that's not how verse vs verse work
Zack Brangen why wouldn’t we go by the books in a vs battle ? If he says no one can escape it why would we void that ? It’s his hax ability. So in the end it depends on who gets caught in the illusion first
@@acerswift123 i'll explain to why people don't use *"No Limit Fallacy"* arguments in vs Battles,
Imagine a universe where people are just normal humans, and then in this world, there is this legendary sword which was able to cut the hardest object in this universe, lets say the hardest object is Iron, and then a character said "this sword cut the strongest metal in the universe, this sword can cut through anything."
Now you bring this sword to a vs Battle, lets say the sword vs Goku, Saitama or Superman,
Can you tell me this sword can cut Goku?
Can you say this sword can cut Superman?
You see why *"No Limit Fallacy"* atguments are so stupid?
Just because something was stated in one universe, DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE TAKEN AS A FACT IN A VS BATTLE,
This is the problem with Screwattack, they always use this argument, that's why people hate them.
Nice video but Madara isn't stronger than Aizen
So, Green Lantern wins in both universes XD
wheres the fight..😑
Ks is only kakashi Sharingon level. Itachis genjustu has actually killed people ks has not. Obito base Sharingon rivals kotoamatsukami he brainwashed a perfect jinchuriki and you didn’t talk about how itach can inject his own chakra into opponents. Ks does not work on Sharingon users
Actually koya suigestu as shown to brainwash or rewrite a person mind(to a certain exened) this was shown in the manga when research and development departments when one of them said he felt like watch the cam and found rukia this was in the manga and in the anime when aizen tell ichigo he plan every it show the same thing impling it was aizen zanpukto ability
Wait you said someone ever was able to counter aizens hypnosis 🤣🤣 when was that, dude had everyone under his trick and they didnt even knew.
Golden experience requiem vs perfect hypnosis
:/ i haven't gotten to part 5 yet but isnt ger's ability just to negate other stands, so in that case it would be completely fucking useless against aizen. I could be wrong feel free to correct me.
I just thought it negated anything that attacked giorno, excluding reality rewriting attacks
@@coolshadow4541 no, GER's ability is to reverse any action that leads to Giorno's harm
@@N_Tertainment7 I watched part 5 and know that GER negates everything. Yea perfect hypnosis is useless. Nobody in anime can really hurt him so saying GER vs some random op character always ends the same: stalemate or Giorno wins. In this case its not looking good for giorno since Aizen is literally immortal so in terms of lifespan, (lmao we are seriously considering they stalemate until Giorno dies of age) Aizen would win ig but that is such a lame way to win that I would just say its a tie. (this is also considering the idea that aizen gets bored waiting so he just leaves giorno alone, since they cant kill eachother anyway.)
@@coolshadow4541 since i don't kyoka suigetsu?
No matter how strong you are you cant counter tskyoumi because it is a world where the user controls all mass,time and space the victim has no control whatsoever. The user is literally god no matter how strong
No matter how powerful you you can't Block a Sword with your hand without Getting cut, you can't Survive from decay, you can't surivie Nucleur explosions,
Yet that's what Bleach Characters have been always doing, surviving this shit,
How?
Because Shinigami fight depends on how strong your Spirit Energy is,
If your opponent is weaker than you, then no matter how much destructive power they got, it won't even scratch you.
Actually the edo tensei was not effecyed by the inifinte tuskymoi which means bleach character aren't effrvt by this
Even Infinite Tsukuyomi didn't affect souls, so Itachi's dollar store tricks aren't gonna affect Aizen.
Itachitard🙄
You Accually overlooked things
Jiraiya's Toad Genjutsu does work on Bleach characters since it is made of Nature Energy which can be compared to reishi
And also Normal Sharingan also works on Sage Creatures who uses Nature Energy not Chakra
And we saw that In Sasuke vs Deidara where Sasuke uses Manda a sage creature to escape Deidara's Suicide bomb and Manda was under Sasuke's Genjutsu who had no Mangekyo
And Also Sasuke beated Itachi's Mangekyo Genjutsu with his basic Sharingan
Yes you can beat Mangekyo Genjutsu but when attacked in the Brain which gives you the After effects by getting Dizzy or paralized or even getting in coma
But I think if your strong your only get Dizzy cuz the Brain is the most important thing in your body and getting attacked in the chemicals is serious Danger for us Normal humans
If we got Caught in a Genjutsu then we will be Unconscious maybe Braindead
Hypnosis only mess up with your Mind not an attack in the Brain by seeing things that are not here which in extreme cases you could make a person Psychopathic or change their persons like becoming a serial killer or a baby
Now a basic Sharingan can beat Hypnosis by power
It just Depends on power of the users of their Abbility's
You won't need the Rinnegan if your are stronger with the basic Sharingan alone
(I am not talking about Naruto characters vs bleach characters)
I am talking about a scenario: if your like 10× Stronger then the Kyoka suigetsu with the basic Sharingan alone then you could break out of it
Or I misunderstand something
Next Scenario: a 2 people vs 1 man fight
2 people are a gorilla Strength
the 1 man is a Kyoka suigetsu user who is only human level
Gorilla's are 15× Stronger then a human
1 of the 2 people get caught in the Hypnosis of the Kyoka suigetsu
As you said if a second person wakes the other up by strength you will turn it off for him
Like you said bleach characters can do that aswell as the Naruto Characters
So basically you won't need the Rinnegan to break out of the Kyoka suigetsu right if you can break it out with your strength?
Or I misunderstand it
1) I never said Genjutsu wouldn't work on Bleach characters,
All I said the caster needs to be equel or stronger than his opponent.
2) You forgot one important detail about Sasuke in that part of the series,
He has The Curse Mark, which stated to absorb Nature Chakra later on in the series,
That's how his Genjutsu worked on Manda.
Also, when Itachi tried to take Sasuke's second Eye in his Tsukeyome World,
Sasuke quickly wrapped his eye with the Curse Mark which then led to him Break out of His Genjutsu,
That's how he did it, that's how Sasuke escaped,
Because Mangekyo Sharengan alone is not enough to see through any Genjutsu,
Kakashi had one yet he was trapped and tortured in Itachi's Tsukeyome World for 71 hours.
3) look dude, like I said, I'm not here to tell you how it is, I'm just here giving you information, that's all, you inturprate that info as you like,
The conclusion I came up with is my personal opinion,
You can have your own inturpritaton based on the new information about Kyoka Suigetsu all you like, I'm not here trying to hold your hand.
Ok?
@@zackbrangen1528 I looked around the Databooks and I didn't found anything about Sasuke being able to use Nature Energy nor was it on the vs wiki that told it was one of his Abbilities he can only use summoning and the curse mark
he only can Absorb Lightning from the sky but never showed the Abbility to use Nature Energy
And even the Databooks says that Sasuke beated Itachi's Mangekyo Sharingan with his own Sharingan and it's Expierinced and Mastering
But don't credit the curse mark it was possible that Sasuke only used it on his eyes to scare Itachi a little off or to become 10× stronger to last it against his brother
And the Reason Kakashi was so long stuck is because Kakashi always gets injured after using his Sharingan and has bad stamina with it and putting a Genjutsu on top of that puts more strain on your body and Kakashi is not an Uchiha
and he hasn't mastered it in part 1
While Sasuke became master of it
And was called Talented and Sasuke had no stamina issues with it until he obtains the Mangekyo Sharingan
And remember I am not attacking you for being a bad channel and scaling this video was good but there where points that needed a little bit corrected
@@zackbrangen1528 also point number 1) I wasn't really saying to you that you where wrong
I only informed you that Nature Genjutsu like Jiraiya and Kabuto also would work on Bleach characters
It's not that you where wrong but it's just one you forgot to put on your list of Genjutsu that would work on Bleach characters
@@mnx8152
here it is: naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Orochimaru%27s_Juinjutsu
@@zackbrangen1528 fair enough
Can I ask you a question?
Can the Sharingan copy the Hypnosis of Bleach characters?
Technically no coz they can’t see bleach characters there souls
comparing a god level being to a ninja.😂😂
Aizen is god
Actually you can't get out of Itachi's tsukuyomi once he got you🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Sasuke would like to have a word with you
@@zackbrangen1528 he said itachi let him out🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@axasyang he literally broke the genjitsu with his Sage Chakra Sharingan, but ok...
@@zackbrangen1528 like i said he got out because itachi let him out
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
since when i don't use kyoka suigetsu?
Madara stronger than Aizen is cP bigger than Goku being strongest anime character😊
that is crap... no amount of SP can break out of KS and that was evident when yama had to touch aizen and juha who was miles stronger couldn't break it either
madara more powerful than aizen? cap
This info is wrong, Aizen got in the hipnosis the capt commande Yamamoto and the god Ywach, they both are way more powerful that Aizen, and they couldn't tell the difference.
Unahana was able to see through his hypnoses, and (spoilers for the final arc) she was the first Kenpachi, so it makes sense.
@@zackbrangen1528 she was not, she suppect something, but she couldn't tell either, thats why she send ichigo ti fight Aizen. Why people always take things out of context?
@@rcarrion5000 *"A word of praise before I go, you examined my body thoroughly than any of the others, that you felt even a bit of suspicion while under the hypnoses spell is more remarkable, captain unohana."*
- Sosuke Aizen.
Despite being under Kyoka Suigetsu, she was able to feel something off about his fake body, that's how she knew he faked his death and came to warn Hitsugaya in Center 46.
@@zackbrangen1528 yea she suspect something.... thats not equal to see through !!! Thats all mate. She send ichigo to fight Aizen cuz he was the only one that wasnt under Kyoka Suigetsu spell.
Again u cannot compare characters from another world everyone keep saying that aizen fooled everyone in the gotei13 blah blah yes it was his intent but itachi didn’t have that intent for world domination if he so desires to he prolly could I think aizen is smart but he is too smart for his own good and proud of his powers because he thinks he is untouchable ….itachi is more cool headed and thinks wayyy more clearer and always tries to find the opponents weaknesses while aizen is so powerful he never needed to but……sometimes power loses to simple tricks
All genjustu effects the brain. Never has it been said you specifically need chakra for it too work. That's just a gross implication(headcanon) based on what Jiraiya told Naruto about attacking the chakra in the brain. What idiots don't realize is chakra is the same energy that resides in every cell of their body. This is why eating food can boost a chakra users chakra reserves(said in part 1). So all Jiraiya was basically saying in layman's terms is attack the *ENERGY* in someone's brain. Imagine believing that's not possible in other verses. Also I like how you put a divide between Magekyo and Rinnegan to genjutsu. Trying to escape the eye off the moon argument early huh? Well sorry to burst your bubble kiddo. But nothing has ever been stated EVER. That the eye off the moon is a special type of genjutsu. Infact it's the exact opposite. As this ability is described as nothing more than using tsukiyomi on the moon. Madara only needed the 3rd eye because his rinnegan didn't retain his sharingan abilities. Sasuke is a different case and even then they never said the tsukiyomi casted by the sharinnegan was special
I have no words,
You literally rejected the rules of the Naruto Verse and made your own, first time i see someone do something like this, i don't know what to say.
@@zackbrangen1528 You have drawn some wrong implications.
Like if you are equalizing verse than yeah even normal genjutsu would work accordace to the yin and yang spirtual energy and physical energy.
Tsukiyumi i personally think is a more deadly weapon copare to complete hypnosis but war arc aizen had a edge to use his own body as kayuka.
Even if itachi falls in kayuka he can broke out if going by narutoverse rules.
And in the same way aizen can broke out of tsukiyumi cuz of itachi s own commetment ONLY A TSUKIYUMI USER CAN SNAP OUT. Explaining that an opposing illsuion strong enough to give real harm to spirit can snap out of tsukiyumi.
@@thatsthemusixs1956 You're selectively choosing rules to back up your argument, neglecting far more important ones,
As i explained in the video, shinigami battles are spiritual battles, the stronger opponent can't be effected by any ability weaker opponents cast on him, that's why i said normal genjitsu won't work on them,
What you did here is completely strip that well established rule in the bleach verse and made your own conclusion, that's not my approach, i looked at everything stated and shown in both verses and used their rules equally to come to my conclusion.
Tsukuyomi is strong, but it can be broken easily, we saw sasuki using his cursed mark to amplify his sharingan with sage chakra and that helped him break it easy, so it's not comparable at all because not even all the captains of the 13 court guard squads AND the Vizard's collective Spiritual Pressure was able to seal Aizen's hypnoses, it's so strong, it even effected Yhwach himself, so you can't really make baseless assumptions without evidence.
Also, like i said in the video, you can break kyoka Suigetsu, you only need strong eyes and strong chakra to do it, and as we established, Magekyuo is not strong enough, so itachi needs at least a rinnigan to do it.
Only a tsukeyumi user can break out of it? Explain Sasuki then.
@@zackbrangen1528 Hmm know i am getting things
But when sasuke shouted at tobi that itachi was trying to kill him with tsukiyumi Tobi said that DO YOU REALY THINK YOU CAN SNAP OUT FROM ANY OF HIS ILLUSIONS IF HE TRULY WAS TRYING TO KILL YOU.
You take a statement from zetsu but its already debunked there are more statements that are debunked in anime itself.
Its all depends upon which statements you wll take to describe. If am correct itachi wasnt serious even 1 time with someone to use tsukuyumi on him.
In seth vid MADARA VS ITACHI seth showed up an interview of kishimoto where kishimoto said that ITACHI HAS TO BE KILLED FOR MADARA BECAUSE TSUKIYUMI CAN SLAUGHTER MADARA OTHER WISE ITS NOT MAKING ANY SENSE THAT ITACHI IS ALIVE AND HE IS NOT IN THE WAR SPECIALLY AFTER HIS GOOD SIDE IS REVEALED.
Like i said before it depends upon which statements you are taking it to describe tsukiyumi what zetsu did was prediction may be.
Like you claim above rinnegan can snap out of hypnosis NO thats also glitching the real fact ITS TRUE BUT NOT 100% JIRAYA PUT pain under genjutsu yeah the rinnegan pain SO THATS DESCRIBING YOU HAVE TO BE SKILLED WITH THE EYES.
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Here this scan showing sharingan does not snap out of illusions by causing a special solution to it like pain,exess amount of chakra release or other things, sharingan is the eye of hypnosis to see through spells and illusions and than penetrate them remember THIS IS PENETRATION not any soulution to snap out of illusion like touching aizens blade MANY PEOPLE CONFUSE WITH THAT thats why its normal to say MS SHARINGAN CAN BREAK THROUGH POWER FULL ILLUSIONS. Watch sasuke story after the war where he used ms sharingan to break through a very strong illusion and user of the that illusion belongs to a clan whose speciality is illusions.
NOW HOW POWERFULL IS AIZENS ILLUSION.
Many narutards just trash argue that aizens illusion is just five sensory and kakashi described in season one a normal genjutsu is also sensory. HERE THEY MISSUNDERSTOOD.
A normal genjutsu can be broken by causing pain while aizen can even kill you in hypnosis.
A normal genjutsu can be broekn by releasig large amount of raw power but hypnosis trapped gotie captains with high spirtual pressure in it.
So thats clearly means its above a normal genjutsu SOLUTION IS TOUCH AIZEN BLADE but how can we so sure about it because peneteration is never applied on kayuka thats the real fact WE CANT PUT KAYUKA AGAINST SHARINGAN cuz both these powers are giving statements in their own respectives.
Like you compare them thats what i refered as false immplications NOT FALSE ACTUALLY BUT not satisfying as well.
I am not opposing your research i know you have researched alot before doing this stuff but i am trying to show you another anglel from where i am looking hope you are understanding me.
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You're clearly biased, you use the rules of bleach but not the rules of naruto. If anyone in Bleach gets hit by tsukuyomi (which is unlikely) they are only getting out if itachi runs out of chakra.
killer bee immune from tsukoyomi becouse he connected with tailbeast. every shikai n bankai user connected with their zanpakuto.
@@hajunjebat8180 Not true, tsukuyomi clearly bypasses jinchuriki state as itachi put other jins in tsukuyomi. ex: naruto who got clapped by fucking finger genjutsu.
@@coolshadow4541 He only put Naruto in genjutsu when Kurama was not working with him. The Zanpakuto can get someone out of genjutsu in an instant.
@@vb2806 tsukuyomi is not just genjutsu or even ocular genjutsu or even just base mangekyo genjutsu , its a fucking mangekyo ability genjutsu which means that this rule does not apply. How the fuck would a tailed beast or a spirit be able to break its user out of tsukuyomi when it was clearly shown that if u get hit by it then nobody can free you.
@@coolshadow4541 you seem to forget that Bleach characters are dead tsukuyomi only works on living beings
You are obviously a bleach fan😂
Ok.... so?
It doesn't mean he's wrong