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I would've been fine if Kaguya was introduced in Boruto.
she wouldn't last long against naruto and sasuke though
@@bepo1702 that’s true with what is shown now but if they wrote it that way she’d definitely be written stronger
@@Walter-gc2wz you make a valid point there, didn't even think about that
That would’ve been perfect for boruto just write her to be a bit stronger
She is weaker than Base Momoshiki What do you think she would have been able to do??😂 She would even lose to current Borushiki and Kawakishiki
Have to remember that any scene we’ve had with Sasuke in it, he’s also carrying the weight of the boruto franchise… can only imagine how much that tanks someone’s chakra
to be honest.. im cool if they sasuke couldnt reach madaras 10 tails level.. its fairly reasonable given that 10 tails is too immense chakra pool.... but, it would have made more sense if they just said sasuke had complete mastery of rinegan that surpasses madara.
complete mastery could rival even those with higher power levels.. hence, they beat momoshiki..
the problem with naruto now in the boruto franchise is becoming dragonball power creep
@@paulocuento9949 well tbf absolute mastery has never been sasukes MO he kinda just picks up whatever he sees that works. The only example i can think of where he pushes the jutsu FAR beyond what it was is chidori. His genjutsu is impressive but even as an adult it doesn’t even come CLOSE to a young Itachi or even Shisui. He NEVER develops tsukyomi, he never really advances fire release especially after unlocking Amaterasu, and he uses like ONE rinnegan ability. The only thing I’d say he has TRUE mastery of are shuriken jutsu’s. And In that regard he truly is unrivaled.
@@Prince_Luci i agree.. well, they could probably use this moment to help develop sasuke too? i mean naruto had a baryon mode, he could probably get a new powerup as well
@@paulocuento9949 they gave him an equivalent to baryon mode, it was a knife in the eye lolololololol. both were Nerfs in the long run. i know what you meant tho, just kidding around.
@@paulocuento9949 on top of that if Sasuke would actually use the super bance ninja tools that were developed during the Boruto era he could become even better.
Adult Sasukes strongest durability feat is not taking hits from fused Momo. Its taking soccer kicks from isshiki and not dying. Isshiki outclasses momo in physical strength by a country mile.
I believe it was when Ishiki turned sasuke into a skateboard.
@@TobikunOuO Yes haha. Getting drug through the dirt while looking like a pin cushion and still living.
Good old KICK-shiki.
That man's goal must be to put his FEET on everyone in Boruto.
Truth, his face practically fused w/ the Earth from that set of attacks.
@@MrZachensation he pulled a Moro 😂
I still think madara should’ve been the final villain. They should’ve just sealed him instead of what happened.
That’s what they were gonna do when they got their powers
Right. Then did a time skip to when Naruto (with cool hair) and Sauske are like 25 , then introduced all this space garbage.
I mean madara would’ve mopped the floor with Naruto and sasuke he had to go
@@scottclark105 honestly the otsosutki could have been amazing if it was introduced like you said. We already had kaguya forshadowing from hagoromo so she could have been sun final boss post shippuden instead of the shippuden final villain snubing madara
Madara should died to night guy
I just had a thought. Night Guy’s kick was bending space, but we’ve seen more powerful characters outputting way more power without bending space. Maybe the reason that is is because the people who can outperform Night Guy have deity level chakra control and weren’t seconds away from death by being fried alive from the inside.
Think about it, Baryon Mode Naruto is the single strongest thing the verse has ever seen canonically or otherwise and his move set wasn’t bending space. Either that means Night Guy was putting out more power than Baryon Mode Naruto or it means Naruto is actually managing to precisely control his god level amounts of chakra even while embodying a fusing star
just wanna point out that boruto era sakura is stronger and faster then night guy I personally think its stupid asf
@@benjaminbeckingsale4200 look sakura is fast as hell but ive seen nothing in no data books or her novel that stats she surpassed that speed...idk where that rumor came from but it's completely false
@@christophergraves3113 Nick said it. Just look at his other video. And yeah i think Might Guy fans is to overproud or to stupid to realise that
@@Accept_Any_Bribe nick saying doesn't mean he is right...once again i stated she is fast as hell...but nothing is stated that she is faster the 8th gate guy ...if you're going to call someone stupid get the facts right...
@@christophergraves3113 dude you can watch it first rather than babbling stuff and exam how he got the statement then compare it to you. What i gave you is just a way to prove you were absolutely right or absolutely wrong. And if you just so entitled to your own opinion then you absolutely dum
I'm sorry, but where does it say it took both Tobirama and Hashirama and the village to stop Madara each time? From what I recall, when Hashirama "killed" Madara at the Valley of the End, it was just Hashirama.
agreed ive never seen anything about it taking both of them
I think he means that Madara was the only really strong shinobi on his side when his brother died. And you know it makes a huge difference.
It doesn’t. Your right… it was just Hashirama.
Hashirama wife was there aswell tho that's how she became the jinchuriki
@@chriscollins3225 not during the fight
unless Madara gets the ability to open some portals, he's not beating Kaguya. I don't see him countering an all range All-Killling Ash Bones attack (note that it's at least as fast as DMS Kamui) or escaping after getting trapped in another dimension.
Third eye has that ability
@@HC-gm4fo Not confirmed anywhere in the series.
@@HC-gm4fo Not confirmed anywhere in the series.
Nah
Nobodies easily beating an otsutsuki. Kaguya wasnt evenkilled she was sealed after all them hagoromo amps naruto and sasuke were still struggling. If they hadnt sealed her she woulda packed them both and they both above sage 6 paths madara
I still say if Black Zetsu attacked Madara right after getting his body blown apart by Gai would've made much more sense than what actually happened...
No because evidently black zetsu waited to the moment madara achieved the most ampunt of power and by the time he was fighting guy he still lacked second rinnegan
@@themacso4157 And without Casting infinite Tsukuyomi, Kaguya can't be revived
@@UchihaObito551 good point. May i add, if he only waited for madara to wipe naruto and sasuke that would have been much more clever for black zetsu to do...
Just have gai fighr him as he activates it.
Give 8 gates a reason to resist the jutsu and gai dying heroicly.
Zetsu can still pull his bs but its when Madara is weakened.
Or better ydt have Night huy leave a,lasting injury that team 7 and obito exploid to defeat him after an intense fight.
Interduce Kaguya stronger in Boruto.
@@rishisaaptacha i think madara had quite the chance to wipe the floor with narusasuke...even more than kaguya ever had. She may have been more powerful than madara but she was way less intelligent and experienced.
There is no way adult sasuke stands a chance against ten tails Madura
this what i’ve always thought when people say sasuke “dog walks” madara. he explained it good in the video, madara has way more chakra and can overwhelm sasuke with it. they both got rinnegan. and madara is basically immortal with the hashirama cells.
@@juliusdixon6653 yea when people make this match ups I can kind of see it when pick any side like Itachi Vs Minato. I think Minato wins but when people chooses Itachi I don’t complain because I can kind of see it. But in this case I don’t see Sasuke standing a chance. I can see a good fight out of it but … Madara got this one.
Both of y'all need to learn how to power scale tbh
@@EverydayMiniVlogsSasuke simply scales higher
Ye ye
The crazy thing about this is that it brings up that Naruto could in theory do Ash Killing Bone Jutsu because its a yin yang release techinque and not a kekkai morai. Also, this does show that Madara is a character who easily can take on characters both at and above his weight class
Naruto doesnt have a keikei morea he was only allowed to use em kuz hagoromo lent him them thats why in the fight they disappear…. But he cant do none of those kinds of justus kuz he doesnt have so6p …… he had kyubi plus sage mode
@@tonyguwop47 I know he doesn't have a Morea I literally said that
@@FreshPrinceOfBelA17 ash killin bone is literally a morea ………
@@FreshPrinceOfBelA17 to be able to make chakra blades/ ash justu you need a keikei genkai all elements yin yang and also uchiha blood …
I don't think so
I always think of Madara. I only remember Kaguya after I get a headache fighting her in Storm 4.
@Zura to fight?
@@khanyisondobe2537 I had it when it came out on Disc.
@@khanyisondobe2537I have PlayStation plus they gave it to me I still have it as long as I stay subscribed
I only got a headache from fighting her as obito
Damn y'all that bad at the game it wasn't that hard they have set moves you just watch, dodge, attack, repeat.
Madara is actually weaker as an edo than he was revived blind. The manga and data books state it.
It the manga, madara says that he can feel
His true strength returning.
Physically weaker yes but remember he was edo-ed with both Rinnegan and Hashirama cells in him
That was after he broke the edo tensei.
@@thmistrapillay1811 bc he died with it
He had his 2 rinnegans given to Nagato when he was alive because Nagato is older than Obito and he was alive during Obito’s childhood
So he died with Hashi cells
@@thmistrapillay1811 physically? what does that mean.
when you are edo all of your stats or cut by some amount (what amount that is and why varies bec i think it was retconned), but regardless... this isnt the actual math but it oaints the picture...
Assume alive madara during the finaly valley fight is 100%, like assume he doesnt get any stronger at all until the rinnegan which he gets so late in life it doesnt matter.
that 100% is what we are using.
edo tensei cuts him to 60-70% of his poer normally but kabuto has a bunch of upgrades... so instead of 60-70% he actually ends up with something like 80% of his total 100%. so when he uses the rinnegan and the cells he has an increase but hes still not actually at his full power.
madara indicates when he says "this power is not something of your creation." implying that the meteor thing he does is something he couldve done normally.
then madara grts actually revived by rinnerebirth, and he says something like, i can feel my old power returning or hashirama says it. someone says it lol
so what the story is saying then is, ya that 80% he was of his actual power (even with the amps) was not his full power, but this alive version is getting 100% of his full power. and then he is stronger still because he still has the augmentations. hashirama cells, sage mode, rinnegan (altho he was blind he solves that). so like 120%
And we can check this math because, when hashirama is revived, outside of using the improved edo tensei, and white zetsu, no update is made to hashiramas power. however we know that his power is cut enough that he cannot make the 1k arm senju statue and can only make so many clones. and of the clones he can make, madara wont even fight them bec he doesnt think they are strong enough to challenge him and his focus is divided.
even if we are generous knowing all the stuff kabuto had to do augment madaras body, and say we get him 90% of his original power, and we say that hashirama low balled had 80% of his max power.... hashirama is still so strong that he can more or less evenly contend with edo madara and the rinnegan abilities and finds a why to subdue him. and we know thats quite the feat. and that is why blind madara is stronger cause he is 100% of his old power + augmentations + rinnegan. and we verify that because blind madara busts out of the deity gates. and lowkey thats a ten tails level feat and he doesnt display power on that scale before that tho you could argue the perfect susanoo is as close as edo madara gets to that level
@@thmistrapillay1811 yeah but hashirama confirmed that just him with his real body and no eyes was stronger then his edo self
So we just ignore the fact that technically hogoromo was the first otsutski god for for the last like 15yrs without eating a single chakra fruit meanwhile Shiba had to eat thousands or more
Hagaromo wasnt an otsutski god, he was the god of shinobi. Big difference in power there.
@@xbeliefs4242 but what does that even mean it's confusing both have transcended physical plane.
Godly power to an otsutski is far different than what a shinobi would consider godly power. Yes Hagaromo was indeed a god but not on the same level as what an otsutski would probably consider a god. Correct me if im wrong but technically all otsutski can transcend the physical plane. The difference is that shibai doesnt seem to need to use karma to return to the physical plane or even need to have a physical form to affect it. I could be wrong but i dont think it was ever stated that hagaromo could ever just ressurect on a whim. Sure he was able to reach out and connect with the physical plane to give his power to naruto and sasuke but obito was also able to do that for kakashi, possibly due to becoming an otsuski or retaining some of their powers from being the ten tails jinchuriki. Even if you look at momoshiki and isshikki in boruto, both were killed and were still able to stay for a short time to either pass on a karma or a message respectively. Also Hagaromo didnt have Jougan or isshikkis dojust, only the rinnegans which seems to be part of the reason shibai is considered to be a god by possessing all of the dojutsu and possibliy a form with dozens of jougan. Dont get me wrong Hagaromo is a beast and more than likely possessed many forms of shinjutsu but id say he is somewhere between the ranks of momoshikki or isshikki in terms of power.
@@xbeliefs4242 wouldn’t creation of all things have to be shinjutsu? I feel like anything else is prob a limited version because of human minds aren’t as developed plus chakra levels
@@xbeliefs4242 I believe that Hagoromo is probably the strongest being we've seen in the series thus far. We know at the very least that with the aid of his brother he was able to defeat both the complete ten tails and a full power Kaguya who at the least scales somewhat below base Momoshiki. After he becomes the jinchuuriki of the ten tails it's reasonable to assume his power would skyrocket to an absolutely astronomical degree considering the level of amp that KCM gives to Naruto. Correct me if I'm wrong but the fact that he's a jinchuuriki to a tailed beast that makes Kurama look like a baby, by comparison, being in possession of Dual Six Tomoe Rinnegan with the third eye, plus complete mastery of all chakra just seems absurd to me. Additionally, just his ghostly goo essence which is likely many times weaker than he was in life was enough to grant Naruto and Sasuke massive amps which allowed them to combat Kaguya, which was just a fraction of his power. Of course, we have very few feats that I'm aware of but based on this information alone I don't think it is unreasonable to assume he would completely shit on Isshikki at full power. Truly insane levels of chakra likely far eclipsing Naruto, the most advanced Dojutsu in the series, highest level of chakra mastery in the series, was able to give massive amps while being a shadow of his former self, etc. Curious about your opinion.
Sasuke literally states that even a suppressed Kaguya was in a different league compared to Juubidara
When?
And Sasuke also said that he could deal with a Kaguya-Level Threat, for some reason I don't think Sasuke's statements have much weight behind them.
@@K4mui2152 19-20 year old Sasuke can easily handle Kaguya level threats as Toneri is literally stated to be stronger than Kaguya and 19 year old Naruto defeated him and we all know Naruto and Sasuke are relative in strength and adult Sasuke solos shippuden considering Base Momoshiki is stronger than Kaguya and Naruto at 50% was stalemating Fused Momoshiki and Adult Naruto and Sasuke are equals
@@daiyanii_ When Kaguya first appears Sasuke states that she is in completely different league compared to Juubidara
@@daiyanii_ when she was introduced for the first time. It’s crazy because he just fought madara and right after he met kaguya he said he can’t believe something this powerful even exists
Madara was a war veteran who spent literally decades honing his skills and killing enemies at risk of being killed himself. Kaguya was alien woman who just had super powers. Madara is overwhelmingly the victor.
I like how Might Gai was able to kick a hole in Madara and was still alive, but when black Zetsu punch through Madara he just died. Kishimoto knows how to write characters well but doesn't know how to kill them off.
He didnt die. Black zetsu had kaguyas form unsealed from within himself.
The guy before me has the gist of it. Madara was the 10 tails jinchuriki, and Zetsu ripped Kaguya out of him, thus killing him. And unfortunately for Madara all his hacks and stolen abilities, he still wasn’t an uzumaki and succumbed to the lethal extraction. That’s why he gets his final moments with Hashirama. Zetsu didn’t like punch him in the heart or something. (Something Obito survives somehow)
did you even watch the anime bruh
@@OokamiDaBoi1da Black zetsu basically killed him.
@@Prince_Luci its all bad writing. Obito should have died after juubis extraction but somehow he didnt die so neither should madara. Also he comes back with natural black hair and blind. Nothing makes sense, kishimoto wraped up that mcchicken cause he wanted to insert alien narrative lol
I swear it feels like he says so many words without saying anything
Babling
I completely agree with this watching madara's fights you can tell he was holding back alot.
@Goatman Its not that he blitz him it was more so....Madara was testing their powers and he was uninterested on actually fighting them.....And when he was ready to fight bam the plot hit and he was gone...
@@sageedits3165no he didn’t
madara is overrated
Madara one shots
@@jonikalemasi3062 he was uninterested?no he was getting overwhelmed and ran to get another power up like he always does
Imagine madara actually worked with ten tails enough to actually master ten tails baryon mode
but the tentails had no conscious and you kinda need that to agree to work together cause when naruto did it, kurama was conscious and consented to that agreement, he just didn't tell naruto that using baryon mode would kill the tailed beast
@@xero3903 I bet madara coulda figured it out😁
@@HEXX22 bru
@@xero3903 😚
bro ☠️
I think this is one of those moments where plot makes things not add up. Sasukes peak form is at a time when his character is being sunset for the new generation so he won’t be gassed up where madara at peak is supposed to be the final boss so he was given absurd feats. The analysis isn’t wrong it just is skewed by kishimotos goals at the time in the story.
Kishimote did an awful job at the end of naruto series. Also theres lots of plotholes all along the anime
I agree, everything in the narrative points towards sasuke being stronger but the way the show is being written its just not showing that
In my opinion Madara wasn’t stronger than kaguya at the time…..BUT if he had more time to accumulate/come into to his new powers he definitely would’ve been high otsutsuki level. Outright stronger than kinshiki and around fused momoshiki level. The naruto verse proved that time passed= getting stronger. Look at how it effected adult Naruto and Sasuke
to be honest.. im cool if they sasuke couldnt reach madaras 10 tails level.. its fairly reasonable given that 10 tails is too immense chakra pool....
but, it would have made more sense if they just said sasuke had complete mastery of rinegan that surpasses madara. complete mastery could rival even those with higher power levels.. hence, they beat momoshiki..
the problem with naruto now in the boruto franchise is becoming dragonball power creep that new villain has to be stronger faster etc etc.
Adult naruto and sasuke lost so6p chakra. U can know this since naruto lacks 9 tomoe every time he puts the chakra cloak. Also sasuke seems to lose powers from time to time not like teen rinnegan sasuke. Naruto didnt learn flying raijin or wood style either. I think boruto is kinda lame
Oh goodie some1 with brains instead of dick riding adult Sasuke when it comes with 3 eyed Madara with Rinne sharingan overall potential
@@themacso4157no they didn’t they officially lost it after they’re nerfs pre baryon mode Naruto has six paths sage mode and sasuke obviously had his rinnegan still
Lmao hes already stronger than them both. Kinshiki gets dogwalked by ems madara
I haven't watched the video but I'm really hoping this is not an adult Sasuke versus Madara debate I thought this was long since past people were smart enough to figure out that this was a stomp on Sasuke's side
generally his videos are awesome, but this one was sadly not one of them^^. Adult Sasuke would end juubimadara within seconds
Adult sasuke still gets shit stomped by madara like lets be honest madara takes the dub easy like there's no possible theory yall can create in your little heads that can explain how sasuke would win i mean what is he going to do spam chidori and amaterasu that's childs play for madara
how can adult sasuke, who loses chakra like a genin, beat a 10 tailed battery pack of madara
@@paulocuento9949 watch boruto
@@SB-ji7nj indeed. i saw it and thought something was off. like they forgot the established lore
NCHammer: *Claims to not be a power scaler*
NCHammer: "How strong is Madara and who could he beat in a fight???"
He’s jus a bad at it
He said Itachi solos Madara, that’s all you need to know to discount everything else
I think the sword of nunobuko was said to have "shaped" the world, not create it. I could be wrong though
Yea because how did it create the world if Kaguya landed on earth with isshiki
Weaker than adult Naruto? I'm not so sure, if Madara's going all out theres no way hes not using wood release (if able) to contain Kurama's power plus imagine the Thousand Hands Sage technique cloaked with a Perfect Susano
adult naruto slams in base
@@Ale2raw Adult Naruto gets completely demolished by Juubidara.
Even Baryon mode isn't that special when it comes down to Madara just using a chibaku tensei.
Then imagine KCM2 so6p Naruto using multiple elemental rasinshurikens after having the KCM2 clones massing gigantic pools of nature energy and madara just not even existing anymore on the cellular level
Madara’s limbo we’re only really equal to 1/5 of Naruto, as the clones split his chakra evenly.
Calling his fights with the clones a better feat than Kaguya was one shotting them is a stretch.
Madara had the advantage of Naruto only being able to sense his clones instead of seeing them, yet they went pound for pound in Taijutsu. I could be wrong about this, but I’m fairly certain that Naruto hadn’t gotten the other half of Kurama yet, so a max, Limbo clones were able to keep up with 1/10 of Naruto’s peak strength.
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It seems like NCHammer be trippin sometimes smh.
the limbo clones as quoted by Madara are equal to him in power, not in the sense that it's divided equal in the way that they are multiplications in a way, for example if naruto creates 4 clones, each clone and naruto will each have 1/5 of the total chakra, madaras limbo clones are 1:1 of madaras starting chakra so in total the will be 5x the original chakra amount
@@SevenRedSuns1296 You have misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the limbo clones were going blow-for-blow with a max of 1/10 of Naruto’s strength, as he had only half of Kurama and made four clones. And this is with the advantage of Naruto being capable of seeing them directly, it could easily be argued that the fight would’ve been in Naruto’s favor if he was able to see them.
Sage mode offers better precognition than any doujutsu lol
@@imbiant8873 Perhaps you commented this under the wrong person, because-even if this is true, it’s completely unrelated to the point I was making.
I felt that Madara was getting way too strong and it looked bleak (ie the story was being written into a corner) that’s why I assumed madara was killed off in the way he did.
Yea in the end everyone got to many buffs to quickly. If it was Lifetime Madara with EMS it would've been cool but hey no rinnegan so lets pump him with Hashirama Cells.
Yeah, and he was replaced with someone stronger. I hate this argument, it’s so stupid.
@@Annihilation99 yea if he didn’t have that healing stuff that he STOLE then guy Would’ve killed him
@@davidkamps9879 yet easier to defeat
@@jvo6ixgod269 not really. To elaborate. If Kakashi had DMS vs Madara the show would have ended then and there.
The author knew that naruto and Sasuke didn't stand a chance against him.
In shippuden storm 4 we see madara is able to use susanoo and since there's no evidence to disprove it its likely he can
He used it while he was blind, and he used Perfect Susanno with Rinnegan while Edo
just fyi storm 4 (great game btw) is unfortunately not canon, so jutsu like takemikazuchi-no-kami are not actually able to be used by their respective characters
@@SevenRedSuns1296 Even if it is non canon, their is nothing to disprove of it. Takemikazuchi-no-kami is just Sasuke trapping his opponent in blaze release and Chibaku tensei, both jutsu's he's used in canon several times. And then just uses Susanno with a blaze release chidori, no Sasuke has not used a blaze release chidori with Susanno, but he has done it before without Susanno, so technically it is also canon to. Cause saying he can't do it with Susanno is just stupid.
Now for Madara not using Perfect Susanno anymore, personally for me, that was plot. He previously used it as a edo tensei with pure rinnegan eyes, and then when he was brought back to life, he used Susanno while blind. I believe Kishimoto restricted Madara from using Perfect Susanno as a Juubi Jinchuuriki cause it would've been busted OP
@@moshehhubbard756 on top of that he broke out of edo... That dude was a genius!
I don't think Tobirama's speed while standing behind Madara is instant. His teleportation to Madara may be instant but when he is physically standing behind him after the teleportation and is attacking I don't think that part is instant. Can anyone tell me if I'm wrong or right. Feedback is welcome
Couldn't agree more!
An Instant is instantaneous. It doesn't matter how much the camera slows them down for the sake of the audience. If you can see him moving then it's not instantaneous.
That’s facts the teleportation is instant but not the moving of his arms or whatever
Depends on which attack. Flying raijin Slice teleports with the blade already in you
When Tobirama teleported, Madara immediately flinched, means he realized he was there. Madara reacted to FTG and Tobirama's slice
Thank you so much for finally diving into this. Juubidara is literally too outhaxed. Imo he could beat kaguya, adult sasuke and adult naruto, he’d get bodied by BM Naruto though.
He wouldn’t beat any of them what are you taking about
Don’t believe everything you hear the level of misinformation in this video is insane. NCHammer I doubt you’re gonna see this, but you’re not a power scaler so by making these types of videos you spread a terrible level of misinformation. You claimed that as an Edo Madara was brought back beyond the height of his power which isn’t true. It wasn’t until after Madara was revived that Hashirama said “He’s regaining his past strength” meaning as an Edo Tensei despite having a Rinnegan, and Wood Release his still wasn’t as strong as his alive counterpart. You also spread misinformation about how his Sage Mode works none of that stuff was ever stated meaning it conjecture holding zero relevance in a discussion. Madara also even after gaining his Rinne-Sharingan was still weaker than Naruto/Sasuke. He would’ve lost. Naruto’s Shadow Clones we’re able to defeat his Limbo Clones when he was trying to set up the Infinite Tsukiyomi. If we believe Shadow Clones are weaker than the original which they are factually Naruto would be stronger than three eyed Madara because in the databooks Limbo are stated to be equal to the original person. You also suggested Madara was approaching Hagoromo in strength, and is stronger than Kaguya which neither is true. Upon Kaguya’s appearance Sasuke says her chakra dwarfs Madara’s and he couldn’t believe someone that strong existed. In Naruto chakra and strength correlate to each other heavily so Sasuke’s statements support Kaguya being stronger than Madara, and that she’d win against him. This is hilariously bad in one instance you’re willing to take assertions at face value but in another you’re like there’s no evidence. Sasuke is equal to Naruto in strength with them both being legendary shinobi that can bully Otsutsuki. Fatigued Naruto/Sasuke > Fused Momoshiki > Kaguya > Three Eyed Madara. Hang it up stop spreading misinformation please. In conclusion Madara isn’t stronger than Kaguya.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 lol its not that big of a deal, there is no right answer because the writing is made in a way you can interpret it in many ways. Power scaling really is flawed, useful but flawed, the best way you can determine the strength of something is based on how the writer chose to write the thing.
@@PanCake-uu7he agreed
@@PanCake-uu7he That’s the thing it’s not up for debate. There are feats as well as statements that support my claims, and I mentioned them when making my argument.
He didn't fight the entire alliance when he was reanimated. He fought the entire 4th division.
What’s the difference??? He embarrassed the kage of all 5 great nations lol
@@ZeroFlameX with stolen power ☠️
@@ZeroFlameX I get he was strong but madra came back with rinnegan that’s enough for any kage other than NAURTO
@@demetrilewis1620 he was kinda weaker than ems
Doesn’t Sasuke use a chunk of his chakra in boruto by using the Rinne-Sharingan to basically dimension hop…it’s not like he is drained of chakra when he’s swapping places with his sword, or Naruto.. but when he’s hopping through worlds, or dimensions.
I don't think Sasuke had a Rinne-Sharingan like Kaguya and Madara, technically his MS/Rinnegan could be called Rinne-Sharingan, but I thought it'd have to be on his forehead and be an 10 tails jinchuuriki?? His is different as it's just his MS merged/combined with a Rinnegan. The only 2 Rinne-Sharingan I thought existed was Kaguya and Madara's, but idk, maybe I'm wrong and Sasuke's is also considered one (making him the 3rd person before the other Otsutsuki came). Though, it just seems he isn't apart of that club.
Honestly, he shouldn't be so exhausted after doing either after a couple of times, it always made me laugh how pathetic he was lmao. I thought after getting an upgrade, he'd be able to spam more abilities more but it just hindered and weakened him more smh. It's like he became drained a lot faster and the rinnegan only became a huge handicap, as his body wasn't able to adapt to his new power and somehow lacked the chakra as well, even though he should've been since his body was built for such dojutsu power. And that's with only one rinnegan, i'd hate to see how useless he'd get/be if he had 2 of them!!
Which irks me because Nagato, an individual who possessed unnatural dojutsu, could still wield Madara's rinnegan with little difficulty to almost their fullest potential like he was born with them and made for them. but Sasuke who's body is born for rinnegan looked like they were unnatural and foreign to him, like he was Kakashi who couldn't handle the physical stress and demanding strenuous power, it makes no sense!! They should be like regular eyes to him, he's a freaking Uchiha but acts like a damn weak unknown below average chakra having clan who stole a pair of dojutsu smh. Kakashi utilized his dojutsu better than Sasuke with his natural rinnegan, he just looked hella pitiful as he shouldn't have struggled like that smh. Maybe losing the rinnegan could be a good thing for him.
@@DrixMaloneDFS It does suck that he was always drained of chakra, but you have to remember that his Rinnegan is always active. He can't turn it off, so it's consuming his chakra 24/7, even if he's not using an ability
Hagaromo does not have infinite power. He even says he can’t undo the infinite tsyukonomi because he’s loaned his powers out to Naruto and Sauske, meaning they have limits and it’s a finite amount that he has to use
Madara is certainly smater than Kaguya, but I really dont think he's stronger
The reason Kaguya can't use six paths techniques is because her rinnegan is different from Madara's rinnegan, we find out in Boruto that each rinnegan (outside of earth because they are all based on each other in the ninja world) has completely different abilities.
True, kaguya has a sharingan and byagukan not a rennegan. Still, I do believe madara would be able to use kaguyas ability to warp dimensions as madara HAS Kaguyas eye. We know that if you take a sharingan wielders eye you can use their ability (aside from susanoo) so why would it be any different when the rinne sharingan IS a sharingan
How do you know that's true. Where in boruto was it stated that she could not use the basic rinnegan abilities.
@@ALF_FORCE Have you seen her use a single six paths rinnegan ability? Has it been stated that she can? No.
@@Draxeid But it was not stated that she couldn't use it, same case with obito.
@@ALF_FORCE No, with Obito he outright said that he was able to use them, but because they knew how they worked it would have been detrimental to do so, so he actually confirms he can, but we never actually see Kaguya use a single ability from it nor any statements from either characters or databooks.
I think I remember reading somewhere (I'm not 100% on this) that kishimoto said that he killed Madara the way that he did because he wrote himself into a corner with how strong Madara was and couldn't think of a feasible way for Naruto and Sasuke to beat him so he went with the Zetsu sneak attack
Thats just more fan made BS
Kishimoto never said that and Kaguya was leagues above Madara in strength so that doesn't make any sense
@@khazraamv743 kaguya did have a way to seal her tho. Smth madara didnt have to deal with
@@internetperson1666 They could just seal Madara too if it came to it.
@@internetperson1666madara was also sealable 😂💀
It should be noted the Madara had a lifetime of fights and war conditioning before he reached his final form, while Kaguya if i remember correctly didn't have any combat training prior or after eating the chakra fruit, she is even regarded as a princess at some point not a warrior, so she technically never reached her full battle potential. And being the progenitor of chakra and all you could argue that she has all nature transformations hence theoretically Kaguya could manifest the truth seeking balls. So honestly i can't say who between strongest versions of Madara and Kaguya would win.
Kaguya was a moron and an awful final boss. She had no chance and lost like an amateur against naruto and sasuke. Quite dissapointing end of manga
Honestly I think madara at the end of war arc could take kaguya in a fight. I would say kaguya is stronger in terms of brute strength and she clearly has more Chakra. However I give technique and battle prowess to madara and its not like its a night and day difference in strength in charkra. I think madara pulls the W because hacks lol.
They should have sealed Madara and should now be considering wether to unseal him or not 😂
I love the idea of Kaguya but hate how she just killed off Madara
Madara beats adult Naruto and sasuke at the same time
Madara was literally hurling meteors at Sasuke and Naruto just to distract them and get them off his nuts long enough to activate infinite tsukoyomi
Because casting the genjutsu was top priority after he did then he could get the chance to obliterate them
I mean, it is really hard to tell how powerful Madara was, and would be. He barely had any time to explore his final form, and with his amount of intellect if he was given few days, i genuinely believe he would be able to solo most if not all characters in Boruto.
Especially if he was serious about it.
Also, whose to say he wouldn't grow stronger by the time Boruto takes place?
If instead of being killed he somehow end up redeemed and lived(not the best idea story wise, but that's details), i could totally see him slapping some extra sharingans just like Danzo did. Hell, he probably would go after every single ocular technique available.
He would get along well with Orochimaru in this sense. I kinda want a sitcom spinoff series based off of them doing many immoral experiments in whacky way
The title: Madara would DESTROY adult Sasuke!?
Everyone: Duh, why are you so surprised?
Part of the issue I have with this theory is that yes madara was able to use less effort to defeat naruto shadow clones at the time… but aside from limbo after sasuke got the rinnesharingan he was pressing madara for a sec my by him self to where madara was questioning what kind of power they were using and if it was similar to his. Not to mention after naruto and sasuke got their power up they were the only ones to fight madara’s at that point. Kaguya had to fight both of them, Sakura by the end, a sharingan possessed kakashi, and obito before he made his sacrifice. Hell kakashi and obito was able to hold madara off for a sec. You can say he wasn’t being serious but in a world full of ninja who have abilities that can insta- kill if your not careful, that’s more an excuse and one not afforded to the dead. It’s the main reason why people question tobirama strength because of who he lost to. Who later where defeated by a ninja arguably not on tobirama level…
I just have a question, was Kaguya's 3rd eye considered a "Rinne-Sharingan" because I thought it was labeled that?? And the 2nd person to obtain an eye was Madara, which he achieved just like Kaguya from becoming a 10 tails Jinchuuriki. But it makes me think, I don't think we can consider Sasuke's as a Rinne-Sharingan like Kaguya and Madara's, technically his MS/Rinnegan could be called Rinne-Sharingan, but I thought it'd have to be on his forehead and be an 10 tails jinchuuriki?? His is different as it's just his MS merged/combined with a Rinnegan. The only 2 Rinne-Sharingan I thought existed was Kaguya and Madara's, but idk, maybe I'm wrong and Sasuke's is also considered one (making him the 3rd person before the other Otsutsuki came). Though, it just seems he isn't apart of that club, since he didn't get it as a 10 tails jinchuuriki nor as a 3rd eye on his forehead (but it does have dimensional transportation like Kaguya's so idk).
@@DrixMaloneDFS the placement doesn’t matter otherwise momoshiki having rinnegan on his hands and byakugan in his face or urashiku going from byakugan to rinnegan and back. Every otsusuki has different sets of eyes and eye placement but kaguya and madara had horns covering theirs specifically because their power comes from the same god tree. So I think the god tree is the only reason why kaguya’s was different we know not all god trees were equal in purity and strength
Press madara!!? i think you're going a bit overboard there sasuke ability after receiving the rinnegan just caught madara off guard that's it because the power up came out of nowhere after two uses he was quickly able to deduct sasukes rinnegan ability noticed after he got his second eye back it was a whole different ball game he was literally going to obliterate then
@@purge3883 being caught of guard in naruto is almost the equivalent of death there are plenty of strong ninja that got caught off guard plus being caught mean there had to be something to catch him off guard. Just cause he wasn’t expecting sasuke’s sudden power up doesn’t mean he wasnt pressed at some point.
@@theblacksakura8732 he didn't die tho so i can say that sasuke power up was insufficient in taking down a madara who wasn't expecting it i don't think that looks bad on madaras part rather sasuke
Madara should have been the last villain. And, it should have been with Sakura helping with at least her chakra control (preferably sage mode too) plus the rest of the important Leaf ninja getting him in the position to do it. Like have DMS Kakashi and 8 Gate Guy with other Jonin getting him out of his 10 tails Susano
Madara is a devastating character and honestly, he's extremely dangerous and thank the Lord Kaguya popped up because I don't see Madara's demise if his reign would've continued in the 4th war... Dude was unstoppable and correct me I'm wrong
Well I'll correct you for being wrong, I think Sasuke & Naruto either both tag teaming vs 10 tails jinchuuriki Madara or solo, would've eventually curb stomped Madara. Now there you go, I fixed your comment, don't worry about paying me this one was on me lmao.
You're wrong, Madara is weaker than Kaguya it is blatantly said by one of the most battle intelligent characters in the show.
@@DrixMaloneDFS Firstly we've never seen Madara use his EMS abilities when he had two dojutsu's, most definitely Madara had the sword of Nunoboko in Arsenal, Madara never used his Susano during his 10 tails parade. Chakra wise, Sasuke doesn't hold a candle to Madara, and we've seen him spamming his EMS for 24 plus hours fighting Hashirama. Madara was able to put the whole world in infinite Tsukuyomi and mans had every deadly hack that we've ever seen in the series and this is the reason why Kishi brought Kaguya out because there was no way of defeating Madara and even the Sage of six paths stated Madara was close to rivaling him and this is the same dude who blessed Naruto and Sasuke with Sage of six paths chakra and Indra and Ashura's Arsenals and Madara was giving both Naruto and Sasuke a huge problem. Intellectually both Naruto and Sasuke do not hold a candle to Madara and yes Naruto does have Byron Mode which could be lethal but other than that I don't see Naruto dusting Madara.
@@z.e.d4037 Madara is indeed weaker than Kaguya but if you compare Madara to both Naruto and Sasuke, it's difficult to pin-point that they're ions ahead of Madara and yes Baryon Mode is God tier, but it also has a lot of drawbacks. long story short Madara was just too good and as an Itachi fan I'll put my money on Madara.
Battle intelligent character do you mean sasuke stating she has enourmous chakra ?? SASUKE who went to the 5 kage summit fighting 5 kages is battle intelligent, get the fuck out btw she has enourmous chskra but if chakra means stronger then i am fine to go with it Madara has the second most chakra in the verse so he is the second stronger @@z.e.d4037
So wait, how can Naruto be stronger than Madara? most of his power comes from the nine tails and Madara had no problem dealing with the nine tails in just his base form before he got the ten tails inside of him.
9 tails is stronger when a host is using his chakra
@@Ale2raw but wouldn't the same apply with the ten tail's host?
@@darkcylanderbut they aren’t naruto
@@pullupenthusiast3800 what kind of argument is that?
@@darkcylander he gets stronger as he gets older because he’s the main character
If madara was able to master all his sage abilities after war arc would’ve been a beast. They could’ve at least give him the aizen treatment to seal him away or something but they erased him from the story😢
True
The funny thing is
if madara uses 4 susanos with his limbo
Makes him super OP
Kaguya threat but lil weaker
I wonder if Stamina would cause a victory for Madara even against Baryon. We all know that has a very, very short duration and then that's it. Madara switching with his clones could potentially enable him to win that fight?
Y’all goin a lil to far ☠️ NAURTO would be able to finish madara off in about 45 secs
Bro…..no. Just no. Baryon mode naruto was running circles around iishiki for most of their fight. iishiki could barely fight back. Plus if you think juubi madara is anywhere NEAR iishiki at all you’re delusional
@@ZeibraH neat
@@ZeibraH Isshiki had 2 days lifespan..... He left up with 10 minutes and Naruto was drained..... It was another plot to get rid of Isshiki
A lot of Madara's powers come from Hashirama. It makes me wonder why none of these modern day Boruto super scientists have not just made a child of both Hashirama and Madara's DNA. I dub this theoretical child Madarama.
Hashidara
Probably because it wouldn't actually do much. You'd basically get an Uchiha with Wood Style, which is scary, but nothing unbeatable by the time of Boruto; heck, _Sasuke_ could be an Uchiha with Wood Style _any time he wants_ but for his pigheaded pride.
Also, if that were a viable option, Orochimaru would've done it _long_ before Amado even bothered thinking about it.
@@anthonylamonica8301 I mean technically with their dna wouldn't they have a Rinnigan? Because Madara got one by grafting skin cells to his own and got the opposite chakra. So combining those chakras wouldn't you get Hagaromo actually?
And Orochimaru was eager to study jutsu and kekkei genkai not create new people just to make a new person. Amado probably doesn't have dna from Madara or something stupid. (Like Kabuto not having Jaraya or Shisui's)
@@TheLastSane1 No. It's not enough to have the DNA of Indra and Asura or their reincarnations to make a Rinnegan. You have to _be_ one of the reincarnations for that Rinnegan to awaken. Sasuke and Naruto are still alive, ergo, nobody else gets a Rinnegan.
@@anthonylamonica8301 Do you think Madara ordered them on Etsy? The reason he got the Rinnegan was because he grafted Hashirama's cells onto him. And to be clear Madara and Sasuke where alive at the same time so there were TWO reincarnations of Indra alive at the same time so what is your point?
Please never touch power scaling again, bro said naruto wins but sasuke loses, you do know they’re equals right ? Also just ignore the statements that kaguya was the strongest villain in shippuden, ignore sasuke being relative to characters stronger than kaguya lmao.
The boruto verse is just much stronger and no one stands a chance against adult sasuke in shippuden.
HOT TAKE: Kaguya could've been a good final villain, with more build up, I personally think she was pretty threatening. I wonder why Madara, a character with so much development, was swapped out for Kaguya.💀
In the very first arc of Naruto we are told by Zabuza “Shinobi are either users or tools sometimes both” this is why Madara wasn’t the final villain he was a shinobi Kaguya wasn’t.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 kaguya is a parasite. Hogoromo is the real god
Kishimoto stated he didn't know how to write a way for Naruto and Sasuke to actually win vs Madara, so the creator fo the characters was stumped because he made Madara too OP and had to find a deus ex machina caveat
@@Skumm93 Where the hell did you get that from? That doesn't make sense, why would he replace Madara with an even stronger Villain, stop with the misinformation.
@@consciousmindgame5047 Wasn’t trying to misinform, just got fooled like everyone else back when it happened because it was said a lot back when it first happened. Turns out just marketing bullshit or something, my bad.
always a good time when i see “New Upload from Nc Hammer 23”
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In short, Madara was OP
Madara was powerful but I think he over estimated his power
madara couldnt even handle containing kaguyas chakra how tf would he beat someone who beat kaguya? notheless an exponentially stronger verson of that person?
I gotta say I agree and then we also have to wonder how it would play out in the sense Sasuke and Naruto had what 12 years to master their respective powers to then face momoshiki. So giving Madara the same time he would probably be able to do the same as well
Both naruto and sasuke can solo shippudden even kaguya, this dude literally hyped up madara so much for literally 28 minutes and didn’t give a shit about sasuke 😂 mf downplayed him because he liked madara
Also give madara ten years for what? He would still be surpassed by these two fuckers😂 they were 16 fighting on even with madara, even if they didn’t have each other they put work into this man. And he had the powers longer, so why do you think if he wasn’t so much more powerful than naruto and sasuke at this time who literally just came back from the dead with half this man’s hax and still whooped his ass giving him ten years would make him stronger than them? He definitely could come up with some new shit but it’s not like he would be the chosen one 😂
Madara has had more experience than Naruto and sasuke yet they both have done more with less time. Madara had been alive for 70 years before he died and people just want to give him an extra 10 years as an excuse to make
Him stronger
It was 16 years since the end of the war
@@nishnishbishb8918 well go be fair plot aside we have no idea what Madara did for the blank period where he was "dead" most likely not much besides laying low. But the idea for the 10 years extra is because he would also have the Juubi but that aside just like Naruto and Sasuke got Hella stronger in the time between Shippuden to Boruto there's no reason why Madara wouldn't also get stronger. If most of the characters did between the time period there isn't a reason he wouldn't also. Plus it's just fun to speculate
i would say that instantaneous/ irrelevant speed attacks are often misunderstood. in most applicable cases the [attack] is not itself instantaneous, only the [movement] to the point were the attack would be initiated. this might not sound like anything worth noting but an incredibly high speeds things like teleporting primarily work not because of how fast you move but because of how hard it is to predict instantaneous movement which leaves you open to the non-instant attack.
characters like the flash can move at incalculable speeds that defy time-space and can actually hit you while moving that fast but the flying Raijin seems to always be moving to a place and THEN attacking. you can set up the attack, like winding up a punch, and then teleporting behind your target to land the punch but the punch isn't moving anywhere near as fast as your movement to the spot
I agree with all you have said. The only instantaneous attack I've seen is Minato using Hiraishin against Obito IN THE MANGA.
In the anime, it is as you described: he teleported, and then started movement. But In the manga, Minato teleported and didn't make any other move; he only fell in the same position, landing an almost instantaneous Rasengan.
@@neski311 that may be technically true but even that id be skeptical as not only are high-level ninjas generally seen to move imperceivable fast but manga panels do not illustrate every second of an action and Minato is capable of producing rasengans quickly and with one hand
in the end flying Raijin is not an attack and if Minato could attack as fast as Rajin moves him that'd be an extra dimension of absurd that should change how a number of his fights went which is why I dont believe he attacks that fast
Wow never knew you hated Sasuke as a character.
The worst argument i ever heard about Madara being above Kaguya. this guy is total comedian
Ok, I think it's about time people get over the fact that Madara wasn't the final villain, the reason they should is because Sasuke was the final villain, Madara and Sasuke are the same thing, they're both the reincarnation of Indra, Sasuke is the perfect final villain as he was built up from the get go. Also theres no way Madara could ever defeat Kaguya, it's not ever a question.
Madara can, he just needed time to get familiar with his power, plus we never saw him powering up susano, imagine that he can make multiple clones with susano and each susano could have rennigan? Imagine how broken would be his susano with rinnegan on their own and powers of sage path, kaguya would of fled in a instant
On top of that, imagine their susano can use the likes of kamui and other ability? Ffs kaguya won’t stand a chance
Don’t believe everything you hear the level of misinformation in this video is insane. NCHammer I doubt you’re gonna see this, but you’re not a power scaler so by making these types of videos you spread a terrible level of misinformation. You claimed that as an Edo Madara was brought back beyond the height of his power which isn’t true. It wasn’t until after Madara was revived that Hashirama said “He’s regaining his past strength” meaning as an Edo Tensei despite having a Rinnegan, and Wood Release his still wasn’t as strong as his alive counterpart. You also spread misinformation about how his Sage Mode works none of that stuff was ever stated meaning it conjecture holding zero relevance in a discussion. Madara also even after gaining his Rinne-Sharingan was still weaker than Naruto/Sasuke. He would’ve lost. Naruto’s Shadow Clones we’re able to defeat his Limbo Clones when he was trying to set up the Infinite Tsukiyomi. If we believe Shadow Clones are weaker than the original which they are factually Naruto would be stronger than three eyed Madara because in the databooks Limbo are stated to be equal to the original person. You also suggested Madara was approaching Hagoromo in strength, and is stronger than Kaguya which neither is true. Upon Kaguya’s appearance Sasuke says her chakra dwarfs Madara’s and he couldn’t believe someone that strong existed. In Naruto chakra and strength correlate to each other heavily so Sasuke’s statements support Kaguya being stronger than Madara, and that she’d win against him. This is hilariously bad in one instance you’re willing to take assertions at face value but in another you’re like there’s no evidence. Sasuke is equal to Naruto in strength with them both being legendary shinobi that can bully Otsutsuki. Fatigued Naruto/Sasuke > Fused Momoshiki > Kaguya > Three Eyed Madara. Hang it up stop spreading misinformation please. In conclusion Madara isn’t stronger than Kaguya. Even with a Susano’o Madara would’ve lost. Upon gaining Six Paths Sage Mode you immediately become familiar with all the abilities it bestows upon the user. This is when Kakashi asked “How did you do that” referring to when he restored Gai Naruto responds “I don’t know I feel like I can change everything” implying he instinctively knew he could save Gai.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 so you clearly made a point there, MADARA WASNT FIGHTING SERIOUSLY, if madara wanted he could of created 5 susano with those susano in perfect state with rinnegan and powers equal to his, so that put us back to YES MADARA COULD DEFEAT KAGUYA EASILY IF HE WAS SERIOUS
@@panblu and naruto would still stomp
Shisui takes the cake every time. As per usual though, excellent argument.
The only reason Madara did what he did and "lost" how he lost was because the name of the show & the writers wanting to keep their jobs.
Madara wasn't thought out enough in my opinion because if he was, he never would've been made lol.
No... Madara was stronger alive than he was reanimated, he states it. Reanimation helped everyone but the stronger ninja like Madara and Hashirama
I really don’t think being able to see the Limbo clones would be as helpful as you think. The five Kage could see his wood clones. Didn’t help them much. 5 ten tails Madara clones could and would jump the shit out of Momoshiki whether he could see them or not.
I mean being able to see them would be a massive help in being able to dodge
Like it is really difficult to dodge something you can’t see then dodging something you can see
@@thegreatpapyrus1619 right i understand the concept of trying to dodge something you can’t see being near impossible. My point was, 25 perfect susano’os bashing on momo kinda outweighs the necessity for sneak attacks. He’d Just body the hell out of that alien bastard.
@@thegreatpapyrus1619 hell 5 perfect susano’os all with the shared vision of the rinnegan AND Madara at the wheel would be more than enough in my very humble opinion.
Edit: idk if the limbo clones share vision
This is why I don’t like Madara. His ems, senjutsu, rinnegan, and other things are not his power. He took stole the power he has. If he trained and earned those abilities, then I would respect him.
well sasuke and narutos powers aren't theirs ... naruto got hagoromos power
sasuke got hagoromos powers ... naruto also got kurama ... so its not their power lol ... so do you see weakling naruto in boruto ? do you like how powerful is naruto without gifts ? then be happy naruto is too weak without gifts ... but what madara did it was accomplished by his own power no one gifted him anything that's difference ... kabuto plus gave hashiramas cells to sasuke ... also orochimaru was helping sasuke he literally had senjutsu injected in him ...
madar got hashirams power when he was fighting with him ... but what sasuke got it was nothing his ... dont compare naruto and sasuke to madara ... those two are trash ...
Kishimoto did say that he had to use Kaguya as the "final boss" because he couldn't find a good way to defeat Madara.
That was literally never stated 😂
@@drewm1269 Damn... you're right. That means that the ending was just 'garbage' for no reason. I mean, turning Itachi into a 'good guy' was probably worse, but I never really cared about him quite so much. Sometimes author's just have a lapse in reason.
@@jaded9234 I don’t think it was garbage in the slightest but we different
@drewm1269 It's all about perspective, and I saw a waste of one of the best build-ups.
You forgot that not only did he have enough chakra to put everybody in a genjutsu, but he also used instantly after that Divine: Deep Forest Emergence on a worldwide scale.
Madara Uchiha dying in the hands of black zetsu
Him:wait I didn't I regenerate
Cus black zetsu stabbed him not to kill him but turn him into kaguya
He didn't die there....He died later and Haguramo says he died cuz he was a jinchuriki not cuz of the stab
Wait a minute if madara had much more time to train and learn his 10T ability’s he could become much much stronger
if Adult Sasuke is stronger, some of you guys should accept this Dino>Shin Uchiha>Sasuke>Madara
Madaras insane healing ability... tanking Might Guy ultimate... and then healing fast enough to then go toe to toe with Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke after that. Adult Sasuke doesn't have the Stamina nor durability of Madara.
He didn’t tank he absorbed the god tree even tho he was hurt before but he didn’t tank
And adult sauske is way more skilled and faster plus 6 tomoe rinnegan
@Demetri Lewis My argument remains the same. Killer Bee basically killed Sasuke twice when they met. I think we can argue by the time Madara was his age he was completing feats on a level higher than Killer Bee. Adult Sasuke is VERY strong. I just don't think 10 tails Madara loses to him 1 on 1, full Chakra and health for both... Sasuke just doesn't measure up imo. Even Madaras resolve is stronger than Sasuke which I think weakens him as an adult.
Saying ohnoki was in his prime is crazy 😂
Saying it took hashirama and tobirama and all of the senju just to beat madara is even crazier
Sasuke literally said that kaguya is over twice the power of madara
Both Naruto and sasuke shit there pants when they saw kaguya unlike madara
Sasuke never said that.
@@NewChannelSwitch if I remember correctly, in Naruto chapter 679 Sasuke stated that Kaguya's chakra is on a different level than Madara and Naruto said that she had more chakra than the Juubi. (note that Isshiki stomped both adult Naruto and Sasuke using only a portion of the Juubi's chakra. Kaguya got more than that)
@@gunplamaniac8500 Yeah, exactly. He never said that Kaguya had twice the *power* of Madara.
Power isn't synonymous to chakra. Chakra is more of stamina or energy, not overall raw strength.
@CurbsidebroomYT where?
People that don’t know the difference between power and actual combat combat don’t understand the show at all
Bruh thinks cuz ur a 10 tails jinjuricki u can’t be surpassed like we didn’t see naruto & sasuke literally surpassed juubi madara😂
Adult sasuke would shit on madara he’s way stronger, faster & has ways to stab out his rinnegan & seal him with chibaku tensei when weakened, he can’t scale for shit he shouldn’t even be talking about vs battles
Madara would monkey stomp the Shinobi alliance and Sasuke and Naruto would be coughing up Bijuu chakra like rent
Sasuke gets his ass beat like he's standing still.
Nice,
I find it funny that Black Zetsu was able to kill Madara from a stab from the back but Might Guy wasn't able to kill him with blowing a hole through his body. Maybe because it was a surprise attack that caught Madara off guard.
Also, why wouldn't Black Zetsu just wait for Madara to finish off Naruto and Sasuke before killing Madara..
Well, it's because Black Zetsu didn't actually kill Madara, he stabbed him and used him as a host for Kaguya to resurrect. That's why you saw Madara half alive at the end of the war, so umm, the only funny thing here is your comment being false aha. Gotta use your brain buddy, you even saw it with your eyes too smh.
@@DrixMaloneDFS Wasn't trying to say I was right, I was asking out of curiosity, but you're probably right. You didn't even answer the second part of my question since you seem to know everything.
@@biggdaps because that was dick move bro.... Naruto had plot armour :/
Let's not forget if Madara understood how the rasengan worked who's to say he can't just use it, and apply nature chakra to it to make a wood release rasenshurikan or something like that.
Limitations it has been said some things just can’t be done
You're talking like Adult Sasuke isn't skilled enough to create a Rasengan
I think SPSM users can use any jutsu
Even kakashi copied rasengan which means you only need a sharingan
Madara has never, and I repeat, never at any point been on hashirama’s level and it’s not even close. He even hinted at this when he was fighting the five kage as an edo tensei by telling them that they are lucky he’s the one fighting them and not hashirama.
Ontop of having the op buffs of edo tensei, he had hashirama cells which gave him a busted kekkei genkai, sage mode, etc.
Let’s drop sentiments aside and truly see the facts.
Fr it’s kinda dumb he said in the beginning he had infinite chakra so of course he’s gonna be stronger than anyone he’s able to out put so much chakra without having to worry about dying
"Madara has never, and I repeat, never at any point been on hashirama’s level and it’s not even close. He even hinted at this when he was fighting the five kage as an edo tensei by telling them that they are lucky he’s the one fighting them and not hashiram"
Yeah cause we all know taht ten tails madara who was boxing 6psm naruto and rinnegan sasuke (who no diff any version of hashirama) is apparently not on that level, not even edo madara *with all those abilities including limbo) isnt on that level?
lmao yeah right.
Kaguya has better feats than jubbidara, Toneri was stated to be stronger than kaguya and naruto 1 shot Toneri in base and Sasuke was stated to be stronger than Naruto during the last, therefore Sasuke would slam jubidara little to no diff
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I'm loving these videos NCHammer. I've always thought of these topics myself and came to the same conclusion. When it comes to Madara vs Kaguya, it all boils down to intelligence (or battle IQ as you say). You can have all of the power in the world, but unless you know how to really use it, you will always be defeated by someone more skilled. When Obito became the 10 tails Jinchuriki, he lacked the intelligence to use its power effectively because at the time he was having an inner power struggle with it, but once he gained control he became a much serious threat.
When Kaguya appeared, Black Zetsu was mostly directing her throughout that fight. She didn't have any battle plan when she dealt with Naruto and Sasuke, other than just separating them to absorb their chakra. Against Madara, he would understand her objective and use that to his advantage and he has quite a few jutsu he could use to put an end to her, like sealing her away, binding her with the rinnegan black receivers and chakra chains or ripping out her soul with the Human Path. Also, if Kaguya isn't able to see the Limbo clones and if the clones are able to use the Rinnegan powers (Not sure why they wouldn't be able too), then the clones could just rip her soul out with the Human Path before she could react.
Kaguya has rinnesharingan so she should be able to see the limbo clones. I think Madara can make a six paths chibaku tensei of his own and use it to beat her. Thou he may not have the sun and moon seals. He has 3 rinnegan ( 1 rinnesharingan and 2 rinnegan ) and the bijuu chakra.
@@m.k.o7610 Right, and after I posted my comment, I started to think about this more. Kaguya does have six paths chakra, right? So shouldn't she be able to sense the Limbo clones?
I also thought about the Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, I wasn't sure if he could do it without the moon and sun seals, but having the power of the 10 tails chakra, he should be able to perform someone close to what the Sun and Moon seals produced.
If six path madara was to made it to boruto might as well call the anime uchiha madara the most badassery villain of all time because he'd definitely unlock the ability to open portals him gaining access to all those otsutsuki scrolls and potentially learning the divine arts like shibai otsutsuki its ggs for naruto and sasuke
Imagine Kaguya just trapping Madara in 1 of the many dimensions like the dimension that's apparently going through an ice age or the Lava dimension, the heavy gravity dimension, the Dessert, or whatever dimension had that acidic water that burned Sakuras arm.....as strong as Madara is he'd eventually die by potential suicide out of madness if got stuck in 1 of the many dimensions & couldn't escape than Kaguya wins by default lol or she uses her bone ash jutsu hits Madara 1 time & it's GG plus she can just suck all the planets chakra as well as the chakra of all those under the infinite tsukoyomis influence at any point way more than Madara ever could at once & be able to not overload & go kaboom so can just spam her bone ash plus teleport around.
Madara could escape the dimensions with his rinnesharingan
@@egg2468 it was never stated it could do that
@@demetrilewis1620 everytime kaguya switched dimensions her rinnesharingan twitched which showed that she was using it
no, he couldnt madaras rinnesharingan and kaguyas rinnesharingan are the same rinnesharingan they cant both exist at the same time@@egg2468
@@egg2468yeah but Madara don't know how to use his third eye
Madara stronger than Momo??
I think kaguya is stronger but madara is the better fighter. Remember kaguya never really had to fight except against her sons. I think madars would win but barely
Kaguya would stomp him and wouldn’t even be close
Sasuke absolutely obliterates him in a matter of seconds
Factually wrong.... adult Sasuke's best feats are being stepped on by Urashiki who lost to 1 tail kid Naruto and Jiraya.....And also being used as a skateboard by ishiki.....
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Sure lmao just before the fight starts he should bring Naruto and ask him to fight the 4 limbo clones using perfecr susanoo as stated that they can use all Madara's ninjutsu then maybe the fight can start ..oh wait this 1 on 1 guess Madara can take a nap while sasuke gets his ass kicked by 4 limbo clones which he has no counter for unlucky that Adult Naruto is not there hmm..
Adult Naruto vs Juubi Madara ?? Infinite tsukuyomi bye
Double MS kakashi was way more powerful than six paths madara
Kaguya had the rinnasharingan yet she still feared base momoshiki so she made white zetsu’s and a suppressed sasuke and Naruto were destroying fused momoshiki but they were rivals
When Naruto got kidnapped his lost half his nine tails chakra he became weaker but him and sasuke were still rivals because sasuke used the rinnagan to make a portal that depleted his chakra so if 1 + 1 is destroying 1 image when sasuke is 2 by himself(has full chakra) he’s destroying momoshiki who destroys kaguya who destroys madara (since he exploded from her chakra)
Adult Sasuke destroys Madara no difficulty this shouldn't even be a discussion, It is stated in the data books that he and naruto are equals dring the momoshiki fight and even Sasuke stated when Kaguys appeared that she is way stronger than Madara. There really is no discussion between these 2 characters.
Could EMS Madara physically scale to Sage Mode Hashirama? He was throwing hands with him after all.
No. Hashirama beats him silly every time. Only chance he has is to cheat in order to even scale to Hashirama. He got his tail beat in every time they fought and the other guy wasn’t even augmenting himself with stolen techniques and powers.
@@arrownoirYeah, people don’t realise how much more powerful Hashirama is compared to Madara. Hashirama was always holding back in their fights
@@Liqhamile_SilingaHashirama was forced to use an wood clone and attack Madara in the back to defeat him. Madara Base form is definely almost strong as Full power Hashirama
Well I mostly agree with everything you said except the Kaguya needing her strongest attacks to kill the shadow clones she was oneshoting them with taijustsu as well at some point. That and the it took Hashirama AND Tobirama to beat Madara at the valley of the end. Tobirama wasn't even shown to be there.
Mito was there and sealed Kurama
Don’t believe everything you hear the level of misinformation in this video is insane. NCHammer I doubt you’re gonna see this, but you’re not a power scaler so by making these types of videos you spread a terrible level of misinformation. You claimed that as an Edo Madara was brought back beyond the height of his power which isn’t true. It wasn’t until after Madara was revived that Hashirama said “He’s regaining his past strength” meaning as an Edo Tensei despite having a Rinnegan, and Wood Release his still wasn’t as strong as his alive counterpart. You also spread misinformation about how his Sage Mode works none of that stuff was ever stated meaning it conjecture holding zero relevance in a discussion. Madara also even after gaining his Rinne-Sharingan was still weaker than Naruto/Sasuke. He would’ve lost. Naruto’s Shadow Clones we’re able to defeat his Limbo Clones when he was trying to set up the Infinite Tsukiyomi. If we believe Shadow Clones are weaker than the original which they are factually Naruto would be stronger than three eyed Madara because in the databooks Limbo are stated to be equal to the original person. You also suggested Madara was approaching Hagoromo in strength, and is stronger than Kaguya which neither is true. Upon Kaguya’s appearance Sasuke says her chakra dwarfs Madara’s and he couldn’t believe someone that strong existed. In Naruto chakra and strength correlate to each other heavily so Sasuke’s statements support Kaguya being stronger than Madara, and that she’d win against him. This is hilariously bad in one instance you’re willing to take assertions at face value but in another you’re like there’s no evidence. Sasuke is equal to Naruto in strength with them both being legendary shinobi that can bully Otsutsuki. Fatigued Naruto/Sasuke > Fused Momoshiki > Kaguya > Three Eyed Madara. Hang it up stop spreading misinformation please.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 That is YOUR Interpretation and not based on actual combat.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 Chakra amount does not equal combat ability.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 Madara regained the power lost from his edo nerf.
Old Madara got brought back in a young body and got senju cells.
Love it! As for Kaguya not being able to see the Limbo Clones, I suppose the question becomes whether or not the Byakugan's Chakra Viewing capabilities can see them or not. You make me think, how dare you xD LOL
bro she got the 3rd eye his eyes geneticly came from her she can defo see them
All rinnegan can see limbo
Dude she has a Rinnesharingan she'll be able to see his limbo clones.
this entire video summarized: "Madara is just built different "
Sasuke states that Kaguyas chakra alone is much more powerful than Madara. Its not even comparable.
Ok NCHammer I love your content man but please for us stay way from power scaling
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@CurbsidebroomYT or pain😂
@CurbsidebroomYT the sad part is the misinformation didn't even start against Kaguya it was happening well before that 😭
@CurbsidebroomYT honestly by the time they get use to their powers I’d say shippuden sasuke beats him idc
@CurbsidebroomYT it's not even just the statements it feels as though alot of this video picks and chooses how to pull information and it isn't accurate as a result I mean he had the right ideas but drew the wrong conclusions, multiple times
Nah kaguya would wash him
Mind explaining your reasoning? 🛌
@@NewChannelSwitch statements
@@Walter-gc2wz what "statements"?
@@NewChannelSwitch sasuke said her chakra is far greater naruto said when he was turning into kaguya that the chakra was far greater than the tentails
@@Walter-gc2wz more chakra, it doesn’t mean you are stronger