Lots of VERY good and accurate info here. I appreciate the video. The one thing that I do want to mention however is that you state that since the monolithic copper bullets are longer that can be seated closer to the lands. Actually the reverse is going to be the case most of the time. Barnes recommends that you seat their TSX and TTSX at a minimum of 50-75/1000 from the lands whereas many reloaders seat lead based bullets 20-30/1000 from the lands and some go even closer than that. In fact paper shooters often seat their loads at less than 10/1000 off the lands. Just a small point of clarification. You did a GREAT video and I am going to look for more of your stuff to watch. By the way, over the years I have slowly switched from lead based to copper monolithic bullets for big game. The terminal damage is massive and reliable. I still use lead based for predator calling though.
Excellent Review. I live and hunt interior Alaska. I've used all copper bullets for the past decade or so....I like the penetration and exit holes. Exit hole especially for bears which have long hair that wicks up blood. Penetration especially on a shoulder shot on big bull moose. Monoliths are not that expensive...I get Barnes TTSX for $30 per box of 50 for hand loading. I hand load my .270 Win rifles with 4350 or RL22 and 110-130 gr monoliths like Barnes TTSX and 180gr Barnes TTSX or Nozler E-Tip and 4831 with my .300 H & H Magnum. I use monoliths for tiny Sika Blacktails up to huge bull moose. Each of my rifle shoots a different monolith best, so for best accuracy I try a couple different monoliths in my hand loads.
If you would be willing to give you what it costs now? My bullets have gotten much more expensive to load post COVID, I really only did enough to get me through checking zero, setting if needed and rifle season for the past few years
I just realized that the Lone Ranger was a visionary and an environmentalist. He used silver as a bullet metal. Silver is denser and heavier than copper and would have greater sectional density. I don't know how well it would expand compared to copper bullets. The down side is that it is an expensive bullet material.
@@SlavicUnionGaming It's only toxic if ingested. Even then, it's barely toxic. There's people throughout history that used to drink liquid silver and lived quite a long time
Use both like both. Biggest downside to copper is it’s very speed dependent. Too slow at impact and it won’t expand much. But great for busting bones. I never worry about shot angle with copper. Lead bullets give me more range since they can expand at lower speeds. Good video 👍🏻
There are more than 2 options though, I shoot tin-bullets (RWS Evo Green) f. e. So far I am happy with the results. I am not allowed to use lead legislatively.
I prefer the combination of the two made by Hornady, Winchester, Remington, Federal, and Nosler since I don't live in the Golden state and never will. Thank you God that I was born in Texas. I almost forgot to mention Sierra, the bullet makers.
You are right on. On small cal. copper is a must as you have to have an exit hole in the South. Berns, brush honeysuckle etc. Need a blood trail. Shot deer with 243 lead and no exit hole sometimes. Copper always. griz
3:03 "Copper is non-toxic." 4:47 "Copper bullets kill trees. It's like an herbicide." I just want to point out that just because copper doesn't have the same bio-toxic effects as lead doesn't mean that regulators won't start banning copper in the future. We may end up having to use an even more expensive material in the future like duck hunters having to use bismuth and tungsten.
As a child 70+ years a go I would go fishing and would chew on lead shakers and did that for 10 then I started casting bullets for another 15 years and I still here more or less most of my friends are gone back to god
Good video. I switched from my preferred Hornady Interlocks to Barnes TTSX copper bullets when my kids were born out of an (over) abundance of caution 6 years ago (lead and kids....). The Barnes do fine out of my 300 win mag (165 grain instead of 180 grain to aid in expansion). Would I prefer to stick with Interlocks after years of 100% game recovery? Yeah, but with more hunts with the Barnes I expect it will work out fine.
Damn, I used to carry lead pellets in my mouth while shooting my pellet rifle for years. Did the same thing with split shot while fishing. Don’t know how many I have swallowed over the years.
My old .270 Weatherby has a slow twist rate and cannot stabilize long copper bullets. A jacketed round nose is extremely accurate but with monolithic copper I get key-holes and a huge pattern.
A 110 gr non-tipped Barnes TSX at 3400+ fps (look on Barnes' site for load data) for the .308 is pretty nice. 2177 fps still @350 yds (1158 fpe). Zero @250 for an easy PBR. Shoots like a laser, hits like a baseball bat. Go to 130 gr for cow elk+heavy western bucks, feral swine. 150 gr for just elk and feral swine. The 110 gr > 150 gr for just deer hunting (shcok, opening, effect, DRT, etc).
Took a cow moose at dusk at 440yd with 168gr TTSX at 3000fps muzzle velocity out of a 300WSM Sako A7 rifle. Fired 3rds. Terminal performance: Animal dropped on the spot. Big heavy Shoulder bone was destroyed. big hole in heart. The Barnes TTSX is phenomenal! ... high BC... sub MOA accuracy... reliable expansion... 95+% weight retention... deep or full penetration... yes you are still responsible for shot placement. Put these in the engine block and the job is done... never worry about going splat on a big shoulder... aim for the heart and double lungs behind that shoulder with confidence. But don't trust me try them for yourself... you must try it!! Expensive?... uhh ya... the best... but when you spend a week hunting to shoot 1 or 2 rounds to take home meat the cost of bullets is irrelevant.
Lead bullets have severely impacted vulture and condor populations. The California Condor was reduced to 22 in the 1980s almost exclusively by lead poisoning from lead fragments shot from guns. Good thing the condor population is hovering around 500’s but really with people using more copper bullets than lead, and effort from conservation groups the turnaround wouldn’t be possible.
Copper poisoning is more deadly than lead poisoning but you're body gets rid of excess copper pretty fast just expect to get various organ cancers if you constantly ingest large quantities from the air or it's salts if you have copper piping for your water. It damages you like booze but without the fun time.
If you Hollow out the base of the bullets a little it will keep them nose heavy, that should keep them from tumbling when interning the target, the resistance makes the rear heavy end of the bullet flip over and lead the way through the target,
I have shot Federal Fusion 140grn next to my Hornady 143grn ELDX, they shoot a half inch difference at 300 yards. Still have not shot a deer with the Fusion though.
If you want to ty an excellent bullet, get some Hammer Hunters from Hammer bullets. They have great BCs, lots of calibers and different grain weights and the machining is spot on. What’s awesome is they’re frangible! The nose breaks off into sharp petals and tears shit up. Reloaded properly, they group like jacketed match ammo
Thank you, sir. Not to mention the lower pressure, which let's you load then higher than normal. I'm currently using them in the K hornet. 35gr HH over H110 for 3450fps. Matches low end 221 fireball factory ammo.
Well stated - further issues for nonlead is twist rate of your rifle especially in trying to find more dense rounds as well as energy and penciling as you mentioned, especially at distance. If you shoot 300 yards and in nonlead will most likely serve you fine but if you start reaching to 400 plus you could see issues. My 28 nosler would need a 8 twist to push the same or similar weight bullet as in lead and it is a 9 twist. Longer bullet for nonlead takes a much higher twist rate. Anecdotally I have seen nonlead at 150 yards pass through an animal with small hole through both lungs. This allowed for less optimal energy transmition. The animal was recovered but not until the next day and a few hours seraching. Such example shows nonlead could lead to meat spoilage due to less immediate mortality depending on transmition of energy and shot placement.
You shot grouse with 30-06? I know you said 'while deer hunting" but wow.. "Exploding" is actually the result I'd expect. But I would challenge the idea copper bullets will kill a tree. The metallic copper is not really a problem, the compound copper sulfate is. Since copper is very stable, not prone to corrosion and can be found millions of years old in the ground in metallic form, the chance it would kill a tree is unlikely unless you shoot it so much you nearly cut down the tree with bullets. Great video thanks!
The lesser weight of copper bullets mean that for the same weight of bullet, the bullet must be longer. A longer bullet requires a faster twist. One unmentioned problem with the longer bullet to seat closer to the leade is the overall length of most common bullets is limited by the magazine. This would not effect anyone using a single shot rifle or operating a bolt action as a single shot.
@Dacian Traveler Mr. Traveler, there are no soft ways to tell you this. You are wrong. Do some study on the subject. You will note the weight of bullets in the same diameter - caliber - are proportional to weight, but it is the length, not the weight of a bullet that determines stability.
Twist rate was an issue in the early round (no pun intended) of copper bullets. To compensate they added ridges or groves (depending on the manufacturer) around the bullet. It reduces the surface contact with the barrel to allow the copper bullet to function in a barrel with a twist rate designed for lead bullets.
@@ExperiencedNovice2024 Mr. Cole, in all the research I've ever done, this is not pertinent. There have been some bullets made with grooves cut around the circumference of the bullet; however that was to allow some distortion of the bullet to move and not compress. That was done only on all brass or copper bullets. It was not to make up for an errant twist rate. Twist rate is dependent on the bullet's mass and length primarily. However, a .308" bore pretty much requires a .308' diameter bullet. No matter the elemental make up of the bullet.
@@OldManMontgomery I am certainly no expert. I was just sharing one aspect I leaned from a well done study. I’ve watched a number of well done videos talking about solid copper bullets. I recommend the following as a good starting point. th-cam.com/video/ME9wnU8VKZw/w-d-xo.html
The only drawback I've seen serious talk about seems to be in the smaller calibers due to the lesser density at longer ranges for larger game. Copper for groundhogs and gophers no problem. Antelope, deer you might need atleast 6.6 or 7mm instead of .243 or 6mm. Elk and sheep maybe larger.
One thing missed is if you shoot an animal in the boiler room there is not the same reaction from the animal, sometimes you dont even know if you hit it
Barnes for sure. 150 Gr. 300WSM 2 Elk, 5 Mule deer 1 shot on each animal ranges from 120 - 532. 120 Gr. 6.5 Creedmoor Mule deer 411 yards 1 shot. They perform, no better test than using them and seeing the results first hand.
I would say most of the game I shoot with lead bullets it goes all the way through but the lead expands more and does more damage killing faster I'm not a fan of copper bullets I don't see a reason for them never worried about lead poisoning a lot of houses have lead pipes only time I use anything other than lead is I use steel bird shot always when hunting cause its small bbs
Lead pipes are harmless because our water is treated to have low acidity and high mineral content. If it weren't the lead would break down and posoin you.
In Cali my hands are tied. I have had success with the Hornady Full Boar 165gr GMX monolithics and stoned a hog in it's tracks. When they get around to banning all lead ammo, even at the ranges, I'm gonna be super screwed.
I shoot lots of targets and lots of red deer, basically any high bc bullet in given calibre works good for targets..... When it comes to killing deer sized game though I use barnes ttsx exclusivly....AKA (blue death)..haha
Elemental lead is not poisonous but all lead compounds are. Some copper compounds are extremely toxic. That is why copper based paints are used for saltwater boats and ships to keep off marine growth on the hulls
After watching the TH-cam video of a goat shot three times (all good boiler room shots) at 200 yards with solid copper and slowly dying (on it's feet in place) for five minutes, (until humanely put down and killed with a lead bullet) I think I will stick with lead. I have heard too many stories of copper shot deer getting away due to narrow, bloodless wound channels. The only place it should be used is on the shoulder of the animal. People are over reacting to "human lead poisoning" with lead bullets. They've been around for hundreds and hundreds of years and you don't hear stories of hunters dying of lead poisoning. In 50 years of hunting I have never lost a deer with a lung or heart shot with lead.
@@calangel Yes, but in very small amounts and in the form of copper bound to a ligand. An excess of elemental copper is simply toxic. Damages the liver and kidneys.
@@peterpta the great thing about copper is that it doesn't go into a soluble form readily in nature, i.e. you won't have to worry about a copper bullet dissolving into ionic copper in your game meat. It also doesn't break up into microscopic pieces and disperse into your meat. It also is known to retain nearly 100% of it's weight. This why it is referred to as the "green" option
@@calangel Ok. Lead doesn't do that ether. It becomes Lead(IV)tetrachloride or Lead(IV)dioxide, both of wich are not water soluble. I usually also don't eat a lung I have shot through. I heave never had a bullet disperse into an animal. The overwhealming amount of toxic lead in nature have been brought in by fuel additives during the 20th century. Bullets are a non-issue.
Need to check your facts barns open down to 1800 and also 1600. Hornady is 2000, Lapua is 1800. Take a 7mm 145gr cutting edge will open down to 1600 but it also states These bullets do not mushroom, but instead, fracture. After 1-2" of penetration, 3-4 petals will break off and radiate outward from the main wound channel about 2-3" creating massive trauma. The only barns bullets that need 2000 are the tsx. The ttsx and lrx 1600-1800
@@Themaverickdetectorcutting edge bullets smack hard. Two of the three deer I’ve shot with them have been bang-flops from chest shots…which is rare with copper bullets
Lots of VERY good and accurate info here. I appreciate the video. The one thing that I do want to mention however is that you state that since the monolithic copper bullets are longer that can be seated closer to the lands. Actually the reverse is going to be the case most of the time. Barnes recommends that you seat their TSX and TTSX at a minimum of 50-75/1000 from the lands whereas many reloaders seat lead based bullets 20-30/1000 from the lands and some go even closer than that. In fact paper shooters often seat their loads at less than 10/1000 off the lands. Just a small point of clarification. You did a GREAT video and I am going to look for more of your stuff to watch. By the way, over the years I have slowly switched from lead based to copper monolithic bullets for big game. The terminal damage is massive and reliable. I still use lead based for predator calling though.
I have had very good luck with Barnes for hunting.
Excellent Review. I live and hunt interior Alaska. I've used all copper bullets for the past decade or so....I like the penetration and exit holes. Exit hole especially for bears which have long hair that wicks up blood. Penetration especially on a shoulder shot on big bull moose. Monoliths are not that expensive...I get Barnes TTSX for $30 per box of 50 for hand loading.
I hand load my .270 Win rifles with 4350 or RL22 and 110-130 gr monoliths like Barnes TTSX and 180gr Barnes TTSX or Nozler E-Tip and 4831 with my .300 H & H Magnum. I use monoliths for tiny Sika Blacktails up to huge bull moose.
Each of my rifle shoots a different monolith best, so for best accuracy I try a couple different monoliths in my hand loads.
If you would be willing to give you what it costs now? My bullets have gotten much more expensive to load post COVID, I really only did enough to get me through checking zero, setting if needed and rifle season for the past few years
I hope you will be back with more great videos love your content...thank you
I've used Barnes bullets for the last 3 years. Can't complain, as most of the poor boars and deer dropped like logs, just on site.
I just realized that the Lone Ranger was a visionary and an environmentalist. He used silver as a bullet metal. Silver is denser and heavier than copper and would have greater sectional density. I don't know how well it would expand compared to copper bullets. The down side is that it is an expensive bullet material.
Yeah except silver is more toxic than copper.
silver valuable
@@bryonslatten3147 im surprised silver is valuable despite it being toxic.
@@SlavicUnionGaming uranium is valuable and it is toxic too.
@@SlavicUnionGaming It's only toxic if ingested. Even then, it's barely toxic. There's people throughout history that used to drink liquid silver and lived quite a long time
Use both like both. Biggest downside to copper is it’s very speed dependent. Too slow at impact and it won’t expand much. But great for busting bones. I never worry about shot angle with copper. Lead bullets give me more range since they can expand at lower speeds. Good video 👍🏻
Very informative video 👍
Early monolithic bullets had some problems, but they have supposedly been addressed with ring grooves and better hollowing.
Anecdotes, not antidotes. Seriously though, love your channel and appreciate your concise, no bs delivery of useful information. Thank you
Excellent video, thanks, knowledgeable and informed discussion. Good luck this fall.
There are more than 2 options though, I shoot tin-bullets (RWS Evo Green) f. e. So far I am happy with the results. I am not allowed to use lead legislatively.
Me 2. Works fine on deer, moose and hogs.
Barnes seems to be making its way to everyone’s top choice. I suppose I better try some out. Another great video.
I prefer the combination of the two made by Hornady, Winchester, Remington, Federal, and Nosler since I don't live in the Golden state and never will. Thank you God that I was born in Texas. I almost forgot to mention Sierra, the bullet makers.
Excellent video great information thanks for your time and effort👊👍😎
You are right on. On small cal. copper is a must as you have to have an exit hole in the South. Berns, brush honeysuckle etc. Need a blood trail. Shot deer with 243 lead and no exit hole sometimes. Copper always. griz
3:03 "Copper is non-toxic."
4:47 "Copper bullets kill trees. It's like an herbicide."
I just want to point out that just because copper doesn't have the same bio-toxic effects as lead doesn't mean that regulators won't start banning copper in the future. We may end up having to use an even more expensive material in the future like duck hunters having to use bismuth and tungsten.
Excellent mustache!!
Thanks
As a child 70+ years a go I would go fishing and would chew on lead shakers and did that for 10 then I started casting bullets for another 15 years and I still here more or less most of my friends are gone back to god
Good video. I switched from my preferred Hornady Interlocks to Barnes TTSX copper bullets when my kids were born out of an (over) abundance of caution 6 years ago (lead and kids....). The Barnes do fine out of my 300 win mag (165 grain instead of 180 grain to aid in expansion). Would I prefer to stick with Interlocks after years of 100% game recovery? Yeah, but with more hunts with the Barnes I expect it will work out fine.
Do you know that there is something called leadfree CNC turned driveband bullets?
Damn, I used to carry lead pellets in my mouth while shooting my pellet rifle for years. Did the same thing with split shot while fishing. Don’t know how many I have swallowed over the years.
My old .270 Weatherby has a slow twist rate and cannot stabilize long copper bullets. A jacketed round nose is extremely accurate but with monolithic copper I get key-holes and a huge pattern.
A 110 gr non-tipped Barnes TSX at 3400+ fps (look on Barnes' site for load data) for the .308 is pretty nice. 2177 fps still @350 yds (1158 fpe). Zero @250 for an easy PBR. Shoots like a laser, hits like a baseball bat. Go to 130 gr for cow elk+heavy western bucks, feral swine. 150 gr for just elk and feral swine. The 110 gr > 150 gr for just deer hunting (shcok, opening, effect, DRT, etc).
Took a cow moose at dusk at 440yd with 168gr TTSX at 3000fps muzzle velocity out of a 300WSM Sako A7 rifle. Fired 3rds. Terminal performance: Animal dropped on the spot. Big heavy Shoulder bone was destroyed. big hole in heart. The Barnes TTSX is phenomenal! ... high BC... sub MOA accuracy... reliable expansion... 95+% weight retention... deep or full penetration... yes you are still responsible for shot placement. Put these in the engine block and the job is done... never worry about going splat on a big shoulder... aim for the heart and double lungs behind that shoulder with confidence. But don't trust me try them for yourself... you must try it!! Expensive?... uhh ya... the best... but when you spend a week hunting to shoot 1 or 2 rounds to take home meat the cost of bullets is irrelevant.
Lead bullets have severely impacted vulture and condor populations. The California Condor was reduced to 22 in the 1980s almost exclusively by lead poisoning from lead fragments shot from guns. Good thing the condor population is hovering around 500’s but really with people using more copper bullets than lead, and effort from conservation groups the turnaround wouldn’t be possible.
Copper poisoning is more deadly than lead poisoning but you're body gets rid of excess copper pretty fast just expect to get various organ cancers if you constantly ingest large quantities from the air or it's salts if you have copper piping for your water. It damages you like booze but without the fun time.
what is brass bullets? I see lots of brass these days at the market. Do they not have lead?
If you Hollow out the base of the bullets a little it will keep them nose heavy, that should keep them from tumbling when interning the target, the resistance makes the rear heavy end of the bullet flip over and lead the way through the target,
I have shot Federal Fusion 140grn next to my Hornady 143grn ELDX, they shoot a half inch difference at 300 yards. Still have not shot a deer with the Fusion though.
If you want to ty an excellent bullet, get some Hammer Hunters from Hammer bullets. They have great BCs, lots of calibers and different grain weights and the machining is spot on. What’s awesome is they’re frangible! The nose breaks off into sharp petals and tears shit up. Reloaded properly, they group like jacketed match ammo
Thank you, sir. Not to mention the lower pressure, which let's you load then higher than normal. I'm currently using them in the K hornet. 35gr HH over H110 for 3450fps. Matches low end 221 fireball factory ammo.
Well stated - further issues for nonlead is twist rate of your rifle especially in trying to find more dense rounds as well as energy and penciling as you mentioned, especially at distance. If you shoot 300 yards and in nonlead will most likely serve you fine but if you start reaching to 400 plus you could see issues. My 28 nosler would need a 8 twist to push the same or similar weight bullet as in lead and it is a 9 twist. Longer bullet for nonlead takes a much higher twist rate. Anecdotally I have seen nonlead at 150 yards pass through an animal with small hole through both lungs. This allowed for less optimal energy transmition. The animal was recovered but not until the next day and a few hours seraching. Such example shows nonlead could lead to meat spoilage due to less immediate mortality depending on transmition of energy and shot placement.
You shot grouse with 30-06? I know you said 'while deer hunting" but wow.. "Exploding" is actually the result I'd expect. But I would challenge the idea copper bullets will kill a tree. The metallic copper is not really a problem, the compound copper sulfate is. Since copper is very stable, not prone to corrosion and can be found millions of years old in the ground in metallic form, the chance it would kill a tree is unlikely unless you shoot it so much you nearly cut down the tree with bullets. Great video thanks!
key word in the ground, not much air in the ground lol
I use barnes lrx for hunting. And use lead for fucming around
It is safe for old rifles? Such as kar 98 and mosin nagant?
What about a stainless steel bullet head????
Sweet stash!
I will stick with Lead thank you good examples Swift A-Frame or Nosler Partition.
Great information
The lesser weight of copper bullets mean that for the same weight of bullet, the bullet must be longer. A longer bullet requires a faster twist.
One unmentioned problem with the longer bullet to seat closer to the leade is the overall length of most common bullets is limited by the magazine. This would not effect anyone using a single shot rifle or operating a bolt action as a single shot.
@Dacian Traveler Mr. Traveler, there are no soft ways to tell you this. You are wrong. Do some study on the subject.
You will note the weight of bullets in the same diameter - caliber - are proportional to weight, but it is the length, not the weight of a bullet that determines stability.
@Dacian Traveler Then go hide behind a tree. See if you impress someone.
Twist rate was an issue in the early round (no pun intended) of copper bullets. To compensate they added ridges or groves (depending on the manufacturer) around the bullet. It reduces the surface contact with the barrel to allow the copper bullet to function in a barrel with a twist rate designed for lead bullets.
@@ExperiencedNovice2024 Mr. Cole, in all the research I've ever done, this is not pertinent. There have been some bullets made with grooves cut around the circumference of the bullet; however that was to allow some distortion of the bullet to move and not compress. That was done only on all brass or copper bullets. It was not to make up for an errant twist rate. Twist rate is dependent on the bullet's mass and length primarily. However, a .308" bore pretty much requires a .308' diameter bullet. No matter the elemental make up of the bullet.
@@OldManMontgomery I am certainly no expert. I was just sharing one aspect I leaned from a well done study. I’ve watched a number of well done videos talking about solid copper bullets. I recommend the following as a good starting point. th-cam.com/video/ME9wnU8VKZw/w-d-xo.html
Do you like the Hornady outfitter GMX 180gr in .300 win mag. My rifle shoots them well just wondering about the performance of the bullet.
i have outfitter in 2 calibers...both make bad groups. Performance is deadly.
In the uk in old houses we drink out of lead pipes
The only drawback I've seen serious talk about seems to be in the smaller calibers due to the lesser density at longer ranges for larger game. Copper for groundhogs and gophers no problem. Antelope, deer you might need atleast 6.6 or 7mm instead of .243 or 6mm. Elk and sheep maybe larger.
Bingo
I have killed over 25 deer and 2 antelope with my 25-06 & 25WSM using 100 Gr. TTSX & TSX all 1 Shot kills.
That’s incorrect.. I’ve killed over 13 deer with my .243 Rifle.
Iv been eating lead shot animals for decades, never a problem. I like copper monoliths also.They both have there place.
Someone has to perfect a copper bullet that expands like lead and then we would all be happy
One thing missed is if you shoot an animal in the boiler room there is not the same reaction from the animal, sometimes you dont even know if you hit it
Indeed Sir.
Copper hollow points?
They exist but most everyone's moved onto ballistic tips (IE hollow tips+): better BC and better expansion
etx by hornady?
Barnes for sure. 150 Gr. 300WSM 2 Elk, 5 Mule deer 1 shot on each animal ranges from 120 - 532. 120 Gr. 6.5 Creedmoor Mule deer 411 yards 1 shot. They perform, no better test than using them and seeing the results first hand.
I would say most of the game I shoot with lead bullets it goes all the way through but the lead expands more and does more damage killing faster I'm not a fan of copper bullets I don't see a reason for them never worried about lead poisoning a lot of houses have lead pipes only time I use anything other than lead is I use steel bird shot always when hunting cause its small bbs
clarkarmory.com/blogs/blog/7-reasons-i-choose-to-use-lead-free-ammunition
Lead pipes are harmless because our water is treated to have low acidity and high mineral content.
If it weren't the lead would break down and posoin you.
I say solid copper. By my own experience copper jackets do 3 things 1) FAIL 2) Peel 3) Shed all just lead to gun failure
If you use fmj the lead is enclosed
In Cali my hands are tied. I have had success with the Hornady Full Boar 165gr GMX monolithics and stoned a hog in it's tracks. When they get around to banning all lead ammo, even at the ranges, I'm gonna be super screwed.
its so hard to find a copper 22lr that isnt a hollow point
No longer a debate in California.....non-lead only :(
Also, a copper bullet won't itself kill a big tree. That's a bit of an old myth.
I shoot lots of targets and lots of red deer, basically any high bc bullet in given calibre works good for targets.....
When it comes to killing deer sized game though I use barnes ttsx exclusivly....AKA (blue death)..haha
Elemental lead is not poisonous but all lead compounds are. Some copper compounds are extremely toxic. That is why copper based paints are used for saltwater boats and ships to keep off marine growth on the hulls
And just remember some really smart people decided to have you drink water through lead pipes in Flint Michigan
Why do I get the idea this guy is from california?
Fun fact, I live in a house that has lead pipes for our drinking water and it is not a health problem.
That is a fun fact!
Are you serious? So this whole thing about tainted meat is bullshit?
Yes the water has a Special additive to prevent leaded water. Flint forgot theirs so the protective coating failed
You're probably missing out on a few IQ points bud.
I still prefer no lead though
Its too expensive to practice with copper
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I'm gonna make silver bullets. Anybody interrested here?
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I prefer copper bullets. They don’t smell bad and don’t break as easily.
Mauser 96 💀💀💀
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what are brass bullets? I see them a lot at the stores. Do they have lead?
I made it to the 1:16 min mark, come back with actual proof that a copper projectile is better. I stick with accubonds and partitions.
How about the recovered round that I have which maintained 92% of it's weight stuck in the opposite hide of an elk? Barnes ttsx
You can’t say eat lead with copper bullets
I can't get use to the term "shootin' polymer" vice "shootin' iron" either. Life goes on...
titanium ammo is best, and the most expensive
You shot grouse with a 30-06…
After watching the TH-cam video of a goat shot three times (all good boiler room shots) at 200 yards with solid copper and slowly dying (on it's feet in place) for five minutes, (until humanely put down and killed with a lead bullet) I think I will stick with lead. I have heard too many stories of copper shot deer getting away due to narrow, bloodless wound channels. The only place it should be used is on the shoulder of the animal. People are over reacting to "human lead poisoning" with lead bullets. They've been around for hundreds and hundreds of years and you don't hear stories of hunters dying of lead poisoning. In 50 years of hunting I have never lost a deer with a lung or heart shot with lead.
I seriously doubt if that goat was shot with Barnes bullets
Lets shoot Gold bullets! Like lead but not poisonous! Who cares about prices!?!?
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You no copper getting hard to get
what's with the mustache?
Yea only girls have mustaches
Fun fact: Copper is a toxic heavy metal too.
Exactly
Right, especially since we require copper in our diets...
@@calangel Yes, but in very small amounts and in the form of copper bound to a ligand. An excess of elemental copper is simply toxic. Damages the liver and kidneys.
@@peterpta the great thing about copper is that it doesn't go into a soluble form readily in nature, i.e. you won't have to worry about a copper bullet dissolving into ionic copper in your game meat. It also doesn't break up into microscopic pieces and disperse into your meat. It also is known to retain nearly 100% of it's weight. This why it is referred to as the "green" option
@@calangel Ok. Lead doesn't do that ether. It becomes Lead(IV)tetrachloride or Lead(IV)dioxide, both of wich are not water soluble. I usually also don't eat a lung I have shot through. I heave never had a bullet disperse into an animal. The overwhealming amount of toxic lead in nature have been brought in by fuel additives during the 20th century. Bullets are a non-issue.
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Cutting edge bullets are the best they 100% expand down to 1600. Barnes start at 2000 bare minimum expansion so Barnes sucks
Need to check your facts barns open down to 1800 and also 1600. Hornady is 2000, Lapua is 1800. Take a 7mm 145gr cutting edge will open down to 1600 but it also states These bullets do not mushroom, but instead, fracture. After 1-2" of penetration, 3-4 petals will break off and radiate outward from the main wound channel about 2-3" creating massive trauma. The only barns bullets that need 2000 are the tsx. The ttsx and lrx 1600-1800
@@Themaverickdetectorcutting edge bullets smack hard. Two of the three deer I’ve shot with them have been bang-flops from chest shots…which is rare with copper bullets
Hmmm, lead no good for the environment eh? I wonder where it comes from?