British shooter here. Been shooting for 22 years. Just wanted to say that i love your channel and the way you explain things. I'm humbled to say that ive already learnt ALOT from your channel. We as shooters and hunters must always be learning.
EXCELLENT! Like you, I've also hunted for 50 years. I live and hunt interior Alaska. I've used all copper bullets for the past decade or so....I like the penetration and exit holes. Exit hole especially for bears which have long hair that wicks up blood. I hand load my .270 Win with 4350 or RL22 and 110-130 gr monoliths like Barnes TTSX and 180gr Barnes TTSX or Nozler E-Tip and 4831 with my .300 H & H Magnum. I use monoliths for tiny Sika Blacktails up to huge bull moose. Each of my rifle shoots a different monolith best, so for best accuracy I try a couple different monoliths in my hand loads.
I learned a LOT more about monolithic bullets in this one video than everything I've heard since they came out in the 80's. I have to say that while my Go To projectile for my -06 has been a Sierra 180 grain BT GameKing, I just might have to look into trying those newfangled bullets now for both excellent accuracy as well as on-target terminal performance. Thank you, Sir, for the video. Even if I didn't see it for about a year after you posted it. God Bless.
The collection of recovered projectiles and notes about them is the best data I’ve ever seen related to bullet performance in flesh. Almost every other thing I’ve seen on this topic amount to “cool story bro”; just random opinions and no data. Personally, I’ve used cup/core bullets (berger) for years and never had a bad experience, but I’m also very choosy about the shots I take, so that may be more of an anecdote than a data point. Not to mention my sample size is much smaller. I’ve shot everything from deer to moose with them and it’s always worked out, but I really appreciated how you compared the various outcomes with different projectiles. Top notch stuff.
Ron, excellent presentation! I too have 50 years of hunting experience, but only more recently have been blessed with the opportunity to hunt (and take 😁) “big game” with a couple of successful elk hunts in New Mexico. I really appreciate the practical information and your efficient delivery of it. This episode is the BEST one I’ve watched yet. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in deep dissertations about all the fancy gadgets from mud grip tires to camo hats and face paint and I could only think, “if y’all would spend as much effort understanding your bullets and how to put them where it matters” you’ve miss and wound a lot less animals. I have for years, enjoyed great performance from bonded core bullets. The problem with these is twofold for me; Hornady has for some reason decided to indefinitely suspend their Interbond, and the Accubond has gotten ridiculously expensive and now are way more expensive than some good monos. You’ve talked me into trying monolithics! I have hesitated because of my concern that they would not expand enough at lower velocities. I too, believe that with a monolithic, I can drop down a weight (due to the weight retention of these) which will give me more velocity to use in the first place.
Regarding the ballistic coefficient of lead vs non lead, sometimes the longer non lead bullet can have a higher B.C. for the same weight. As you reach the maximum bullet length that a barrel can properly stabilize, the greater density of lead will give a higher B.C. Excellent video, Ron. Thanks for the thorough, concise, and easy to understand information.
Ron, this was a great video with useful information on picking the correct bullet. The section explaining the all copper bullets was very timely as some jurisdictions are now requiring hunters to use lead free ammo. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. Take care and be well.
All the informative discussion about monolithic bullets, ballistic coefficients and why the 6.5 Creedmore does what it does is a great opportunity to teach people who otherwise ignored or didn't know about these factors that make for a great rifle. Even though ancient cartridges like the 7X57 and 30-06 are great, what we shoot is getting a century-long update.
Ron, Enjoyed the video regarding the all copper bullets. I started using the Barnes Vor-TX line of ammo about 4 years ago and have not looked back. I now use them in all of my hunting rifles and purchased some recently for a 41 Remington Magnum Ruger Super Black pistol I intend to hunt with this year. They have worked flawlessly on Alabama whitetails even in my smaller caliber rifles like 300 AAC Blackout and 6.5 Grendel. By the way the 6.5 Grendel is a CZ Model 527 and it shot a cloverleaf 3 shot group right out of the box on the first three shots @ 100yds. It has become my favorite whitetail rifle. All bullets recovered were perfect mushrooms with near 100% weight retention as you mentioned.
This is what I call full coverage a topic for any experienced level. I really love when you assist the hunter and give him or her the tools to make the best hunting experience. I've been hunting for a really long time and I learned a few things myself. I've always been a fan of the Nosler Partition. Ron, you've really loved a life of hunting and journalism that most of us could easily envy. My 20-year-old daughter has decided to be an outdoor journalist. What basic advice can you give her? God bless and thank you!
thank you Jeff. Tell your daughter to be hard working, authentic and honest, and persistent. Don't try to fool anyone and don't sell out for a quick buck. Best of luck.
Thanks for the reply. She's a great young lady and she is all of those things, with a lot of integrity. Her mother and I got blessed. She's actually right here reading your advice and she says, "Thank you very much". May God bless the Spomers...
I designed a tubular bullet that allowed a high ballistic co-efficient . It had a good sectional density too which would "buck the wind". It also had vertical slits to allow it to mushroom upon impact. The fact that the weight of such a bullet is distributed at the periphery means that it is gyroscopically stable too. Strangely most cartridge manufacturers do not seem to realise that tubular bullets could give optimum external and good terminal ballistics making them flat shooting, wind bucking and good humane performers. Great video Ron!
@@fruitfarmfords8243 There are three ways to make a tubular bullet seal. If the bullet is contained within a parallel case ,like a 45/70 then a simple rear base wad would suffice to drive the bullet out of the barrel. The bottleneck cased ammunition is more complicated. A rear sabot onto a reduced diameter base allows the bullet to be driven conventionally. The split sabot will blow clear after the spinning bullet exits the muzzle. My own solution includes an internal ball bearing that drives the tubular bullet along and is blown clear on exiting the barrel. In the 1970's the army tried a 50 calibre Browning tubular bullet which did 5000 fps and carried supersonically for greater ranges . I think it was too light on impact for military purposes. A tubular design allows great sectional density so slow loss of velocity, momentum and energy. It can also be driven faster because it is lighter in weight,
I just realized why I enjoy your videos and find the content interesting. You seem to leave opinion by the wayside for the most part and focus more on numbers and data. I like that. Too many you-tubers try to make videos like this but don't really approach it scientifically. They shoot some stuff and sometimes validate their argument with some crazy story, but there is no real content or data behind it. I like the way your brain works. Keep up the good work!
Ron, thanks for the video. I'm a big fan of Barnes bullets, I have been using them for about 20 years and my children use them and now my grandchildren use them.
Glad the Barnes are working well for you, Shane. My wife and I have been using them in various forms since the early 1990s. I had one box of early .284s that did not work as advertised, i.e. didn't expand. That issue was quickly addressed and resolved by Barnes. No issues since. TSX and TTSX have been excellent. And now I'm getting into the LRX.
Possibly the most informative of all your videos! Great job! In 2017 I saw something that I would have sworn would never happen with a 165gr Barnes TSX from my 300 WSM. A friend shot a large 6x7 bull elk slightly quartering to, but almost broadside two times at 320 yards. The bull laid down briefly, but then got up and traveled approximately 150 yards before dropping for good. There was no blood where he initially laid down, nor along his trail that I was able to follow through disrupted pine needles on the forest floor. Both bullets impacted within three inches of each other, penetrating the back half of the on-side front shoulder and ranging through to just behind the off side shoulder. Both bullets failed to exit and were just under the skin on the off side, each beautifully mushroomed with all petals intact. Upon examination, we found a lot of hair packed inside the curl of each bullets petals. This particular bull elk had the longest winter coat of any elk that I've ever seen and my assumption was that the extremely long hair had initiated bullet expansion before entering the elk's body, which also could explain why there was no exit and absolutely zero blood, even around the entrance wounds. While that same bullet has performed wonderfully for me all other times, I think this case just shows that we should never assume anything and to be ready for follow-up shots, even when we are confident of bullet placement and the bullets 'normal' performance.
Yes. Trusting every bullet to perform perfectly every time is not wise. Always be ready to administer finishing shots, or, as many elk guides say, keep shooting until its dead! I've found that, in general, all animals remain conscious for several seconds after solid heart/lung shots. It isn't until blood pressure drops that they get dizzy and fall. And then, of course, it takes roughly 10 min. for brain cells to die from oxygen deprivation.
I absolutely love the Remington Core Lokt line!! I use it at 150g for my 30-30, 30-06, 308, 7mm mag, 300 Savage and 140g for my 6.5CM!! in the last 20 years I’ve hunted whitetail deer every year and take 6-10 a year and I’ve NEVER had one that didn’t drop within 40-50 yards at the very furthest!!! Normally with a double lung heart shot they drop on the spot (in my experience!!!) but I’ve had them run!! As always thank you so much for your time and sharing your knowledge and experience!!! Just wanted to share my thoughts with you!!! Ive been watching a heck of a lot of your videos lately just stumbled on you on TH-cam and gotta say I really enjoy the content!!!
Ive had issues with picking lead fragments out of game meat in the kitchen so these copper bullets seem like a win. I like to see all the detail about performance. Made the switch over seem like a no brainer. Thanks for the insight Ron.
Really enjoyed this video. I don't shoot many all copper bullets but now know that if I do hunt with them, shoot within ranges with highest velocity to maintain proper expansion. Thanks for the heads up on this.
Love the video. I too pondered the whole "should the bullet pass through or should it stay in the animal" theory and originally I felt that it would be good to have the bullet stop in the animal. But the more I hunted I realized that having an animal have two holes to bleed from usually meant an easier track and quicker bleed out. Plus if it's not getting good penetration, a hit through bone might not get deep enough for vitals. There's a sweet spot with just about everything. Too much is too much and too little, not enough. I think thats why having game appropriate calibers are important. Absolutely love it Ron, keep it up.
I've tried lots of different bullets barnes ttsx is my favorite. Deep penetration leaves a good blood trail if needed and the most accurate hunting bullet in most of my hunting rifles. Some guys I hunt with spend thousands a year on hunting gear but buy cheap ammo. Somehow I end up trying to help them track there game with no blood trail up and down hills through swamps with nothing to go on cause there cheap bullet broke up and didn't exit. I just don't understand how people can spend thousands and cheap out on the only thing that kills what there hunting.
Very good point. I have observed the same thing in archery as well, everybody wants this years flagship bow or new spendy gear then stick a cheapo broadhead on a Walmart set of arrows and call it good.
Another good bonus of bonded and copper projectiles is if you have to make a follow up Shot. Now I don’t condone shooting animals up the rear but if you put a poorly placed shot the first time, sometimes the only follow up shot you’ll get if from behind. With a bonded projectile you know for sure the projectile will punch far enough to hit vitals. With a cup and core you can’t be sure, it could penetrate 12 inches and not make any vitals
Great knowledgeable video Ron, here in Eastern Canada i'm a big fan of the Nosler Partition out of my 30-06 for hunting Whitetails, Black Bear and Moose works wonders evrey time! 💥
@Colin Miller i definitely eat bear there's nothing like a bear roast cooked in my slow cooker delicious 😋 if ever you want my recipe i'd gladly pass it along!
Mike Gaudet yeah man let me know, I’m a new hunter so I’m not even sure what’s good for meat although where I’m at I can hunt bobcat, nutria, squirrel raccoon possum. People really eat all of that??
@Celestial bear burgers are as good, if not better than axis burgers 😋 you need to explore your options when it comes to what is not just good, but it's so darn good that it will make you cry, just like the menudo at speedy Gonzales place in El paso does me.
Great video! Thank you very much. What I could never understand, yes Barnes bullets are expensive, is; the CHEAPEST yet most IMPORTANT part of a hunt is the bullet you send down range. I mean we all spend lot’s of $$$ on places to hunt, clothing, boots, calls, and so many other things, why would you bargain hunt for ammunition? It doesn’t make any sense.
That was a great, detailed video explaining the various differences and trade-offs between conventional lead core bullets and the all copper, monolithic options. A couple of things not mentioned are the higher cost of the all copper bullets, and the potential for greater accuracy with lead-core bullets, where more of the weight is toward the rear of the projectile. Something I have long wished for is a bullet that is much like the Nosler Partition, where a solid copper bullet has had the shank filled with lead. This would make the projectile heavier in the rear, increase the sectional density for any given length of bullet, and otherwise provide all of the key advantages of both bullet types.
The discontinued Winchester XP3 bullet had lead filled shank, hollow copper nose just as you describe. Barnes had an MRX like that, but with tungsten in shank. Talk about heavy! Seems to me there were or are others, but I'm drawing a blank from the memory bank at the moment. Anyone? Didsn't Federal have a hollow nose copper bullet with a lead shank once?
@@jasonbroom7147 The XP3s were indeed a great bullet. But sales were low due to high prices. Most hunters go with the cheapest ammo they can find so they have sufficient funds left over for beer. (Only half kidding.)
My Ruger American .270 shoots the Federal Power-Shok all copper really well. I was very impressed with them compared to the lead core that I’ve always used.
Got my first deer this year and i was able to recover the bullet. I used the cheap herters hunting ammo and the lead core separated from the jacket. Didnt seem to matter as it was a heart shot amd he dropped where he stood. (Probably helps that he was only 15 yards away)
I fought against monolithic bullets like the Barnes TSX and TTSX for years. When I finally fell for them, I fell hard. I use the Barnes and animals that I have shot have all had massive terminal damage and complete pass throughs. For example: the Barnes 110g TTSX out of a Tikka 270 at 3410 FPS gives complete pass through but it looks like a bomb went off inside the Whitetail. I still use lead core bullets for predator hunting but prefer the all copper for big game.
Well done Ron. The only time I ever use lead bullets is in a rimfire. Copper outperforms jacketed lead in centrefire hands down. Been using them professionally for more than 20 years. If copper bullets had been developed first, jacketed lead would never have got a start. The most important thing to remember is to get the twist right, and everything else will fall into place.
Bought a new 243 couple months ago... finally got to try loads few weeks ago... found the gmx and h335 was best with a clover leaf... done a lot of research and was keen on switching to all copper.. I have hunted over 25 years with lead/copper.. I figured try the gmx and see how they do on deer this fall
Really well put together video. Thanks! In CA, we use copper by law. Love it! Had to go to lighter bullet since heavy copper bullet was too long to stabilize and grouped poor, but with copper, ight is OK since penetration is way better than lead. Copper allowed me to down size my rifle.
I did not know density factored into BC I always assumed it was the length and shape of the bullet, I had thought copper bullets being larger for the same weight had higher BC but I guess I learned something there. Thanks!
crumble some paper into an orange sized ball and wrap it in plastic wrap so its exterior is smooth. grab an orange of equal size. Throw them both as hard as you can and measure which one goes farther.
I have been educating my self on this subject recently, and have decided to just stay from bullets like ballistic tip type bullets as well as burger type bullets and I'm gonna stick with bonded soft points, copper and partition type bullets
I like a through shot. Like a close shot from my bow. Lot of great info. I like the softer lead in muzzle loader bullets or in wad cutters. I have tried brass balls in the muzzle loader. I will be trying some copper bullets in the 308 150 grain. Great video.
Man I've got to say you're like a prophet of the shooting world.Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, knowledge,and lifetime accumulation of experience with us.I always take so much away from your videos. When I was a teenager I used to love reading columns from Colonel Jeff Cooper and I must say after listening to your wisdom bombs time and time again I feel very much like I did back then reading his columns so thank you again and please keep up the excellent work!
Great video. I had the absolute test in Namibia. I got the chance to cull 20 Oryx. 338 RUM with 210 Barnes TSXs and 210 Swift Sciroccos. All chest shots. Every Oryx hit with a 210 TSX took a few steps. Or ran 50 yards plus. The Scirocco knocked them off their arse. Only 1 ran. Rest my case.
I was suggested to try some Barnes TTSX 150 grain bullets for my .300 WSM, when I asked a question on a forum about reloading for my new rifle. I know most people suggest to go light for caliber when using monolithic bullets. I have those bullets, but haven't reloaded with them yet since I know it is different than reloading regular lead core type bullets. I also thought about the Hammer bullets, not sure if you have heard of them. They are a custom bullet company, not one of the big name brands. I found that the 180 GMX from Hornady in their Outfitter line shot really well out of my Savage M110 Long Range Hunter, even though that is not light for caliber, but on the higher end (200 grain probably being the max like the ELD-Xs that I have for the .300 WSM, not the regular Win Mag). Thanks for your through overview of many bullet types and shapes there Sir.
Yeah I would not recommend the barnes tttsx bullets because I have had nothing but bad luck with them. I have loaded a 160 ttsx in a 340 wby mag for bear and after I shot a nice one it bled for 400 yards then crossed a river never to be found. Last year I shot a buck with a .257 wby mag at 325 quartering away and spent 3 hours looking until I stumbled upon it. I have had 4 times where this sort of thing happened where the bullet just doesn't expand and it ends up with almost no blood and the animal running a long ways before dying.
@@Nick-sx6jm I tried TTSX 150 gr in .30-06 this fall and very happy with the results on 3 large Wisconsin whitetail does . All pass throughs with no or short tracking. Hope to try in my 7mm-08, if I can find any.
I have 130gr Barnes TTSX's that I reload for my .270. I find those to be extremely accurate! The twist rate of the barrel and the length of the bullet must be a good match!🇺🇸✝🇺🇸
Garrett For Christ. Good day Sir, hope you are well. I want to start loading the TTSX bullets in a few different rifles and one happens to be a 270Win. Do you recall how many thousandths of jump to the lands you found your best accuracy in the 270Win.? I know all rifles are different as to what they prefer, but cutting down on time and money while experimenting is part of my goal. Thank you in advance for any information and or advice you can lend a fellow hunter/shooter.
@@stevepuyear2738 I can tell you what I load for it, but I'm not recommending any loads. I use the 130 grain Barnes TTSX bullet and load it with 53 grains of Hybrid 100v. Your load might be slightly different for your barrel's twist rate. Again, I'm not recommending any loads. Consult your loading manual. I hope this helps.🇺🇸✝🇺🇸
@@garrettforchrist2700 Garrett thank you for the data. My son's name is also Garrett. I'm always cautious and drop 10% off any recommended loads after consulting manuals. I was curious mostly as to the burn speed range of powder you were finding to work well in your particular setup. Thanks again and good luck out there this season. Be safe as well!
Cant believe i didnt know about your channel!! So glad i stumbled across ya! Amazing information and content! Thanks for sharing with us! Have a good one!
The 165 -169 grain bullet's of various construction loaded in the 308 cartridge can be load developed reasonably enough to allow swapping between them for jump shooting in tbe forest through too open spaces with longer distances and the ensuing lower velocity impact. Nosler Partition, Hornady ELD, or BT's, and even bear driving Swift can all perform within their limits using the 308 cartridge.
Hello Ron, I always enjoy watching your videos. I know you are fond of copper bullets. Which I think is awesome. I know it's not your channel, but I would encourage you to watch Meat Eater Copper vs. Lead bullets. It is really worth watching. They compare the copper, bonded lead bullet, and a cup in core bullet in the same cartridge for a fair comparison. I think you would enjoy seeing that. It is informative also. Anyway I saw this and wanted you to check that out. It kinda takes the arguments out of things. Thanks Ron, always a pleasure to watch you.
British shooter here. Been shooting for 22 years. Just wanted to say that i love your channel and the way you explain things. I'm humbled to say that ive already learnt ALOT from your channel. We as shooters and hunters must always be learning.
"Always hunt honest and shoot straight." Words to live by.
I shot straight and missed, In turn, I got hit by a curved bullet. - That's life, you need to account for elevation and windage.
Pointing at bullets with another bullet. Flippin sweet
EXCELLENT! Like you, I've also hunted for 50 years. I live and hunt interior Alaska. I've used all copper bullets for the past decade or so....I like the penetration and exit holes. Exit hole especially for bears which have long hair that wicks up blood. I hand load my .270 Win with 4350 or RL22 and 110-130 gr monoliths like Barnes TTSX and 180gr Barnes TTSX or Nozler E-Tip and 4831 with my .300 H & H Magnum. I use monoliths for tiny Sika Blacktails up to huge bull moose. Each of my rifle shoots a different monolith best, so for best accuracy I try a couple different monoliths in my hand loads.
I find this encouraging for use over in the Northwest Territories! I think I'll try loading some up.
I’m a new shooter, and this video has been one of the most helpful and informative ones I’ve come across. Thanks 🍻
Great video Ron. Thanks for passing along your considerable knowledge.
I learned a LOT more about monolithic bullets in this one video than everything I've heard since they came out in the 80's.
I have to say that while my Go To projectile for my -06 has been a Sierra 180 grain BT GameKing, I just might have to look into trying those newfangled bullets now for both excellent accuracy as well as on-target terminal performance.
Thank you, Sir, for the video. Even if I didn't see it for about a year after you posted it.
God Bless.
Thank you H?
This guy really knows his trade not a fake he's got a lot of good information
Absolutely excellent information. I loved that you x-sectioned and then had samples of actual bullets through game. Very well done.
The collection of recovered projectiles and notes about them is the best data I’ve ever seen related to bullet performance in flesh. Almost every other thing I’ve seen on this topic amount to “cool story bro”; just random opinions and no data.
Personally, I’ve used cup/core bullets (berger) for years and never had a bad experience, but I’m also very choosy about the shots I take, so that may be more of an anecdote than a data point. Not to mention my sample size is much smaller. I’ve shot everything from deer to moose with them and it’s always worked out, but I really appreciated how you compared the various outcomes with different projectiles. Top notch stuff.
Ron, excellent presentation! I too have 50 years of hunting experience, but only more recently have been blessed with the opportunity to hunt (and take 😁) “big game” with a couple of successful elk hunts in New Mexico. I really appreciate the practical information and your efficient delivery of it.
This episode is the BEST one I’ve watched yet. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in deep dissertations about all the fancy gadgets from mud grip tires to camo hats and face paint and I could only think, “if y’all would spend as much effort understanding your bullets and how to put them where it matters” you’ve miss and wound a lot less animals.
I have for years, enjoyed great performance from bonded core bullets. The problem with these is twofold for me; Hornady has for some reason decided to indefinitely suspend their Interbond, and the Accubond has gotten ridiculously expensive and now are way more expensive than some good monos.
You’ve talked me into trying monolithics! I have hesitated because of my concern that they would not expand enough at lower velocities. I too, believe that with a monolithic, I can drop down a weight (due to the weight retention of these) which will give me more velocity to use in the first place.
Regarding the ballistic coefficient of lead vs non lead, sometimes the longer non lead bullet can have a higher B.C. for the same weight. As you reach the maximum bullet length that a barrel can properly stabilize, the greater density of lead will give a higher B.C.
Excellent video, Ron. Thanks for the thorough, concise, and easy to understand information.
No other place to go to get in full perspective of field experience. Thank you, Ron. Brilliant!
Ron, this was a great video with useful information on picking the correct bullet. The section explaining the all copper bullets was very timely as some jurisdictions are now requiring hunters to use lead free ammo. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience.
Take care and be well.
Only commiefornia requires them
All the informative discussion about monolithic bullets, ballistic coefficients and why the 6.5 Creedmore does what it does is a great opportunity to teach people who otherwise ignored or didn't know about these factors that make for a great rifle. Even though ancient cartridges like the 7X57 and 30-06 are great, what we shoot is getting a century-long update.
Every hunter should watch this video. Lots of good information. I didnt understand bullet construction until i watched this. Well done!
Thanks Lyndon.
Ron,
Enjoyed the video regarding the all copper bullets. I started using the Barnes Vor-TX line of ammo about 4 years ago and have not looked back. I now use them in all of my hunting rifles and purchased some recently for a 41 Remington Magnum Ruger Super Black pistol I intend to hunt with this year. They have worked flawlessly on Alabama whitetails even in my smaller caliber rifles like 300 AAC Blackout and 6.5 Grendel. By the way the 6.5 Grendel is a CZ Model 527 and it shot a cloverleaf 3 shot group right out of the box on the first three shots @ 100yds. It has become my favorite whitetail rifle. All bullets recovered were perfect mushrooms with near 100% weight retention as you mentioned.
That was the "executive summary " of bullet design. A great video with a wealth of information clear and concise.
Thank you Warren.
This is what I call full coverage a topic for any experienced level. I really love when you assist the hunter and give him or her the tools to make the best hunting experience. I've been hunting for a really long time and I learned a few things myself. I've always been a fan of the Nosler Partition. Ron, you've really loved a life of hunting and journalism that most of us could easily envy. My 20-year-old daughter has decided to be an outdoor journalist. What basic advice can you give her? God bless and thank you!
thank you Jeff. Tell your daughter to be hard working, authentic and honest, and persistent. Don't try to fool anyone and don't sell out for a quick buck. Best of luck.
Thanks for the reply. She's a great young lady and she is all of those things, with a lot of integrity. Her mother and I got blessed. She's actually right here reading your advice and she says, "Thank you very much". May God bless the Spomers...
I recommended this Video to a Forensic CSI person in the UK . Very interesting and important information. Thank You for Your research .
I designed a tubular bullet that allowed a high ballistic co-efficient . It had a good sectional density too which would "buck the wind". It also had vertical slits to allow it to mushroom upon impact. The fact that the weight of such a bullet is distributed at the periphery means that it is gyroscopically stable too. Strangely most cartridge manufacturers do not seem to realise that tubular bullets could give optimum external and good terminal ballistics making them flat shooting, wind bucking and good humane performers. Great video Ron!
Ill bite, how does it seal in the barrel? Or is it not a complete tube??
@@fruitfarmfords8243 There are three ways to make a tubular bullet seal. If the bullet is contained within a parallel case ,like a 45/70 then a simple rear base wad would suffice to drive the bullet out of the barrel. The bottleneck cased ammunition is more complicated. A rear sabot onto a reduced diameter base allows the bullet to be driven conventionally. The split sabot will blow clear after the spinning bullet exits the muzzle. My own solution includes an internal ball bearing that drives the tubular bullet along and is blown clear on exiting the barrel. In the 1970's the army tried a 50 calibre Browning tubular bullet which did 5000 fps and carried supersonically for greater ranges . I think it was too light on impact for military purposes. A tubular design allows great sectional density so slow loss of velocity, momentum and energy. It can also be driven faster because it is lighter in weight,
I have to push back a little bit on the bullet doing “ all the work “ barrel& powder carries its weight too ! Love the show!
I just realized why I enjoy your videos and find the content interesting. You seem to leave opinion by the wayside for the most part and focus more on numbers and data. I like that. Too many you-tubers try to make videos like this but don't really approach it scientifically. They shoot some stuff and sometimes validate their argument with some crazy story, but there is no real content or data behind it. I like the way your brain works. Keep up the good work!
Ron, thanks for the video. I'm a big fan of Barnes bullets, I have been using them for about 20 years and my children use them and now my grandchildren use them.
Glad the Barnes are working well for you, Shane. My wife and I have been using them in various forms since the early 1990s. I had one box of early .284s that did not work as advertised, i.e. didn't expand. That issue was quickly addressed and resolved by Barnes. No issues since. TSX and TTSX have been excellent. And now I'm getting into the LRX.
The best practical, nuts~N~bolts video on bullets I've had the pleasure to watch.
Thank you
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Don’t forget the Flex tip for tube mag guns, lever actions, etc. They keep the plastic tip advantages and keep the primers from going off in the tube.
Possibly the most informative of all your videos! Great job! In 2017 I saw something that I would have sworn would never happen with a 165gr Barnes TSX from my 300 WSM. A friend shot a large 6x7 bull elk slightly quartering to, but almost broadside two times at 320 yards. The bull laid down briefly, but then got up and traveled approximately 150 yards before dropping for good. There was no blood where he initially laid down, nor along his trail that I was able to follow through disrupted pine needles on the forest floor. Both bullets impacted within three inches of each other, penetrating the back half of the on-side front shoulder and ranging through to just behind the off side shoulder. Both bullets failed to exit and were just under the skin on the off side, each beautifully mushroomed with all petals intact. Upon examination, we found a lot of hair packed inside the curl of each bullets petals. This particular bull elk had the longest winter coat of any elk that I've ever seen and my assumption was that the extremely long hair had initiated bullet expansion before entering the elk's body, which also could explain why there was no exit and absolutely zero blood, even around the entrance wounds. While that same bullet has performed wonderfully for me all other times, I think this case just shows that we should never assume anything and to be ready for follow-up shots, even when we are confident of bullet placement and the bullets 'normal' performance.
Yes. Trusting every bullet to perform perfectly every time is not wise. Always be ready to administer finishing shots, or, as many elk guides say, keep shooting until its dead! I've found that, in general, all animals remain conscious for several seconds after solid heart/lung shots. It isn't until blood pressure drops that they get dizzy and fall. And then, of course, it takes roughly 10 min. for brain cells to die from oxygen deprivation.
I absolutely love the Remington Core Lokt line!! I use it at 150g for my 30-30, 30-06, 308, 7mm mag, 300 Savage and 140g for my 6.5CM!! in the last 20 years I’ve hunted whitetail deer every year and take 6-10 a year and I’ve NEVER had one that didn’t drop within 40-50 yards at the very furthest!!! Normally with a double lung heart shot they drop on the spot (in my experience!!!) but I’ve had them run!! As always thank you so much for your time and sharing your knowledge and experience!!! Just wanted to share my thoughts with you!!! Ive been watching a heck of a lot of your videos lately just stumbled on you on TH-cam and gotta say I really enjoy the content!!!
Thank God for another 300 savage
Ive had issues with picking lead fragments out of game meat in the kitchen so these copper bullets seem like a win. I like to see all the detail about performance. Made the switch over seem like a no brainer.
Thanks for the insight Ron.
This was helpful to me. I’ve hunted in the past. But always with others’ gear. Now I can make a more informed choice regarding what bullet to choose.
You're absolutely the best educator Ron! Keep up the good work! Best regards from Sweden!
Really enjoyed this video. I don't shoot many all copper bullets but now know that if I do hunt with them, shoot within ranges with highest velocity to maintain proper expansion. Thanks for the heads up on this.
Love the video. I too pondered the whole "should the bullet pass through or should it stay in the animal" theory and originally I felt that it would be good to have the bullet stop in the animal. But the more I hunted I realized that having an animal have two holes to bleed from usually meant an easier track and quicker bleed out. Plus if it's not getting good penetration, a hit through bone might not get deep enough for vitals. There's a sweet spot with just about everything. Too much is too much and too little, not enough. I think thats why having game appropriate calibers are important. Absolutely love it Ron, keep it up.
I've tried lots of different bullets barnes ttsx is my favorite. Deep penetration leaves a good blood trail if needed and the most accurate hunting bullet in most of my hunting rifles. Some guys I hunt with spend thousands a year on hunting gear but buy cheap ammo. Somehow I end up trying to help them track there game with no blood trail up and down hills through swamps with nothing to go on cause there cheap bullet broke up and didn't exit. I just don't understand how people can spend thousands and cheap out on the only thing that kills what there hunting.
Very good point. I have observed the same thing in archery as well, everybody wants this years flagship bow or new spendy gear then stick a cheapo broadhead on a Walmart set of arrows and call it good.
Another good bonus of bonded and copper projectiles is if you have to make a follow up Shot. Now I don’t condone shooting animals up the rear but if you put a poorly placed shot the first time, sometimes the only follow up shot you’ll get if from behind. With a bonded projectile you know for sure the projectile will punch far enough to hit vitals. With a cup and core you can’t be sure, it could penetrate 12 inches and not make any vitals
Great knowledgeable video Ron, here in Eastern Canada i'm a big fan of the Nosler Partition out of my 30-06 for hunting Whitetails, Black Bear and Moose works wonders evrey time! 💥
What do you do with the bear you hunt? It seems crazy that people would actually eat it so I thought I’d ask.
@Colin Miller i definitely eat bear there's nothing like a bear roast cooked in my slow cooker delicious 😋 if ever you want my recipe i'd gladly pass it along!
Mike Gaudet yeah man let me know, I’m a new hunter so I’m not even sure what’s good for meat although where I’m at I can hunt bobcat, nutria, squirrel raccoon possum. People really eat all of that??
@@Thecelestial1 people est everything but I would strongly advise you to avoid eating possum or racoon or be extremely careful to prepare it properly.
@Celestial bear burgers are as good, if not better than axis burgers 😋 you need to explore your options when it comes to what is not just good, but it's so darn good that it will make you cry, just like the menudo at speedy Gonzales place in El paso does me.
Thank you Ron. Appreciate the experience & perspective.
Great video! Thank you very much. What I could never understand, yes Barnes bullets are expensive, is; the CHEAPEST yet most IMPORTANT part of a hunt is the bullet you send down range. I mean we all spend lot’s of $$$ on places to hunt, clothing, boots, calls, and so many other things, why would you bargain hunt for ammunition? It doesn’t make any sense.
Great informative video. Real nice trophies on the wall, but I’ll take the whitetail in the picture! Thanks Ron!
Been listening to your videos and podcast religiously this week. Every firearm geek needs to listen to these! Lol
That was a great, detailed video explaining the various differences and trade-offs between conventional lead core bullets and the all copper, monolithic options. A couple of things not mentioned are the higher cost of the all copper bullets, and the potential for greater accuracy with lead-core bullets, where more of the weight is toward the rear of the projectile.
Something I have long wished for is a bullet that is much like the Nosler Partition, where a solid copper bullet has had the shank filled with lead. This would make the projectile heavier in the rear, increase the sectional density for any given length of bullet, and otherwise provide all of the key advantages of both bullet types.
The discontinued Winchester XP3 bullet had lead filled shank, hollow copper nose just as you describe. Barnes had an MRX like that, but with tungsten in shank. Talk about heavy! Seems to me there were or are others, but I'm drawing a blank from the memory bank at the moment. Anyone? Didsn't Federal have a hollow nose copper bullet with a lead shank once?
@@RonSpomerOutdoors -- It seems to me like these would be ideal bullets. Were they not as good as I would think, or are they just too expensive?
@@jasonbroom7147 The XP3s were indeed a great bullet. But sales were low due to high prices. Most hunters go with the cheapest ammo they can find so they have sufficient funds left over for beer. (Only half kidding.)
My Ruger American .270 shoots the Federal Power-Shok all copper really well. I was very impressed with them compared to the lead core that I’ve always used.
Thanks for all your advice. It has been so nice to learn from experts like yourself, Jack O'Conner and Carmichael.
Thank you, Sam. You are welcome.
Federal fusion are a bonded bullet with a lead core. For my guns they are on average 65 to 70 percent of the cost of Barnes or Nosler.
15 minutes that explained all the important facts. Thank you you very much. Ron Spomer knows what he is talking about
Greetings from Germany
Thanks and wei gehts, as grandpa used to say.
Wow. Great video. This guy knows his stuff. I learned a lot.
I really like the way you present this information. Great video, I’ll be watching more from your channel. Thank you
Great video. Old school knowledge with modern scientific facts and data. Really loved this video. Definitely gonna subscribe
Thanks Lorenzo. Welcome aboard.
Great overview of alot of factors, thank you!
Got my first deer this year and i was able to recover the bullet. I used the cheap herters hunting ammo and the lead core separated from the jacket. Didnt seem to matter as it was a heart shot amd he dropped where he stood. (Probably helps that he was only 15 yards away)
Good for you.
Very well thought out and knowledgeable video.
Be blessed sir
Always loved the Remington 130 grain long-range boat tail bullet
Very informative Ron! Thank you!
Great vid as always, but in this one, you really needed a lavalier mic!
I fought against monolithic bullets like the Barnes TSX and TTSX for years. When I finally fell for them, I fell hard. I use the Barnes and animals that I have shot have all had massive terminal damage and complete pass throughs. For example: the Barnes 110g TTSX out of a Tikka 270 at 3410 FPS gives complete pass through but it looks like a bomb went off inside the Whitetail. I still use lead core bullets for predator hunting but prefer the all copper for big game.
Got to love Ron’s educational videos. Always a good watch. And great info!
Well done Ron. The only time I ever use lead bullets is in a rimfire. Copper outperforms jacketed lead in centrefire hands down. Been using them professionally for more than 20 years. If copper bullets had been developed first, jacketed lead would never have got a start. The most important thing to remember is to get the twist right, and everything else will fall into place.
I learned something new today... good video
Fantastic presentation ! Hats 🎩off to you Ron, and greetings from British Columbia the Serengeti of North America!
Bought a new 243 couple months ago... finally got to try loads few weeks ago... found the gmx and h335 was best with a clover leaf... done a lot of research and was keen on switching to all copper.. I have hunted over 25 years with lead/copper.. I figured try the gmx and see how they do on deer this fall
Really well put together video. Thanks!
In CA, we use copper by law. Love it! Had to go to lighter bullet since heavy copper bullet was too long to stabilize and grouped poor, but with copper, ight is OK since penetration is way better than lead. Copper allowed me to down size my rifle.
Your copper experiences match mine, Mark.
I learned a ton. Thank you 👍🏻
Excellent video and demonstration very informative!! Thank you for your effort
Excellent, informative presentation.
Outstanding!
Like with most things the right tools for the job makes all the difference.
Nice video!
Keep'em coming!
Thanks for taking the time and sharing.
I did not know density factored into BC I always assumed it was the length and shape of the bullet, I had thought copper bullets being larger for the same weight had higher BC but I guess I learned something there. Thanks!
crumble some paper into an orange sized ball and wrap it in plastic wrap so its exterior is smooth. grab an orange of equal size. Throw them both as hard as you can and measure which one goes farther.
I like it, speaks from experience and backs it with evidence.
Bloody excellent video mate !
I have been educating my self on this subject recently, and have decided to just stay from bullets like ballistic tip type bullets as well as burger type bullets and I'm gonna stick with bonded soft points, copper and partition type bullets
danietkissenle all have their uses though
I like a through shot. Like a close shot from my bow. Lot of great info. I like the softer lead in muzzle loader bullets or in wad cutters. I have tried brass balls in the muzzle loader. I will be trying some copper bullets in the 308 150 grain. Great video.
Incredible video, very well done, thank you sir
Man I've got to say you're like a prophet of the shooting world.Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom, knowledge,and lifetime accumulation of experience with us.I always take so much away from your videos. When I was a teenager I used to love reading columns from Colonel Jeff Cooper and I must say after listening to your wisdom bombs time and time again I feel very much like I did back then reading his columns so thank you again and please keep up the excellent work!
Thank you Maineiacguy.
You did a good job explaining this in the video
Excellent overview, Ron. Thank you :-)
Great video.
I had the absolute test in Namibia.
I got the chance to cull 20 Oryx.
338 RUM with 210 Barnes TSXs and 210 Swift Sciroccos.
All chest shots.
Every Oryx hit with a 210 TSX took a few steps. Or ran 50 yards plus.
The Scirocco knocked them off their arse. Only 1 ran.
Rest my case.
I just learned a lot, thanks for the video!
Learnt a huge lot. Thank you so much
Great info and short enough to watch in a busy day. Thank you.
I was suggested to try some Barnes TTSX 150 grain bullets for my .300 WSM, when I asked a question on a forum about reloading for my new rifle. I know most people suggest to go light for caliber when using monolithic bullets. I have those bullets, but haven't reloaded with them yet since I know it is different than reloading regular lead core type bullets. I also thought about the Hammer bullets, not sure if you have heard of them. They are a custom bullet company, not one of the big name brands.
I found that the 180 GMX from Hornady in their Outfitter line shot really well out of my Savage M110 Long Range Hunter, even though that is not light for caliber, but on the higher end (200 grain probably being the max like the ELD-Xs that I have for the .300 WSM, not the regular Win Mag). Thanks for your through overview of many bullet types and shapes there Sir.
Yeah I would not recommend the barnes tttsx bullets because I have had nothing but bad luck with them. I have loaded a 160 ttsx in a 340 wby mag for bear and after I shot a nice one it bled for 400 yards then crossed a river never to be found. Last year I shot a buck with a .257 wby mag at 325 quartering away and spent 3 hours looking until I stumbled upon it. I have had 4 times where this sort of thing happened where the bullet just doesn't expand and it ends up with almost no blood and the animal running a long ways before dying.
@@Nick-sx6jm I tried TTSX 150 gr in .30-06 this fall and very happy with the results on 3 large Wisconsin whitetail does . All pass throughs with no or short tracking. Hope to try in my 7mm-08, if I can find any.
Thank you Ron 😇👌. Great informative video 👍. God 🙏 Bless ✝️.
Great explanations and I learned about the partitioned bullets, thanks.
I'm excited to get my hands on the new EXC monolithics for the 9.3 , I imagine i'll be waiting quite a while.
Great presentation from a very knowledgeable hunter.
I have 130gr Barnes TTSX's that I reload for my .270. I find those to be extremely accurate! The twist rate of the barrel and the length of the bullet must be a good match!🇺🇸✝🇺🇸
Garrett For Christ. Good day Sir, hope you are well. I want to start loading the TTSX bullets in a few different rifles and one happens to be a 270Win. Do you recall how many thousandths of jump to the lands you found your best accuracy in the 270Win.? I know all rifles are different as to what they prefer, but cutting down on time and money while experimenting is part of my goal. Thank you in advance for any information and or advice you can lend a fellow hunter/shooter.
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I can tell you what I load for it, but I'm not recommending any loads. I use the 130 grain Barnes TTSX bullet and load it with 53 grains of Hybrid 100v. Your load might be slightly different for your barrel's twist rate. Again, I'm not recommending any loads. Consult your loading manual. I hope this helps.🇺🇸✝🇺🇸
@@garrettforchrist2700 Garrett thank you for the data. My son's name is also Garrett. I'm always cautious and drop 10% off any recommended loads after consulting manuals. I was curious mostly as to the burn speed range of powder you were finding to work well in your particular setup. Thanks again and good luck out there this season. Be safe as well!
nice work
Great info, thanks!
Very in-depth
👍🏻 I either shoot Barnes or Accubond. ♥️ both!!!
Thanks I've been trying to figure this out
This was quite interesting
Great video Ron.
I hope you have a wonderful hunting season this year.
Take care
This is amazing, I’ve been wondering about all this stuff and there it is on screen!
"Glorified rock" hahaha! Love your choice of prose Ron!
Cant believe i didnt know about your channel!! So glad i stumbled across ya! Amazing information and content! Thanks for sharing with us! Have a good one!
Thanks Roman. Happy to have you aboard.
I really enjoy your videos and channel. Very Informative!
The 165 -169 grain bullet's of various construction loaded in the 308 cartridge can be load developed reasonably enough to allow swapping between them for jump shooting in tbe forest through too open spaces with longer distances and the ensuing lower velocity impact. Nosler Partition, Hornady ELD, or BT's, and even bear driving Swift can all perform within their limits using the 308 cartridge.
Hello Ron,
I always enjoy watching your videos.
I know you are fond of copper bullets. Which I think is awesome. I know it's not your channel, but I would encourage you to watch Meat Eater Copper vs. Lead bullets. It is really worth watching. They compare the copper, bonded lead bullet, and a cup in core bullet in the same cartridge for a fair comparison. I think you would enjoy seeing that. It is informative also. Anyway I saw this and wanted you to check that out. It kinda takes the arguments out of things.
Thanks Ron, always a pleasure to watch you.
Good, interesting and informative video.