Dude, a buddies 90lb 9th grade daughter on an 85 stayed close but crashed in a soft berm. I then got in behind her and she yarded me. Had my mod'd 200SX WFO bro. FTW, a year ago I shielded her from the big bikes on the same track. No respect I tells ya
I’ve owned majority 4 strokes bikes all my life, i got the little guy a kx65 and tried it out myself, man it’s a little rocket ship. Went and got myself a yz125 the next week 😂. There’s something so satisfying and fun about pushing your limits on the track and being able to stay inside the powerband through even the tightest turns. I want a 250 next !!
This comparison should be great. These TBIs are a little “newer” without having a carb or jetts. Also have features with electric start and minimal vibration.
I own a 450 and a 300, 450 rules the Mx track, but I’ll take my 300 for any type of off roading, the fun factor is off the charts and it requires less energy to ride. 450 off road feels more like a workout, kind of a buzz killer.
Is a 250 mx bike easier to ride than a 450? I have ridden a ktm 300, kx250 and my DT125. Never tried a 450. The KX250 feels way too agressive to ride offroad but its super fun to hit some dirt roads with alot of elevations or riding on ice and deep snow :) My DT125 though feels like it flows easily and the short 1st gear makes it a dream to go slowly and technical. I know its an old "learner" bike but damn shes gone wherever my friend has with his kx250 :D Only down on absolute power.
Get the carbed MC250 smoker. All it needs is a STIC Super X carb, but only if you want power approaching 450 levels. I've got one on an old 200SX and it pulls new 250F's and a '98 KX250! I'm mixing it up with 450F's suddenly. To keep it in control, I run the slowest turn G2 throttle cam. On the tight trails it has unstoppable grunt and lofts the wheel in an instant. YAT No Choice boys and girls!
Couldnt disagree more about the arm pump. Id say it was more about the rider being less relaxed on the 2 stroke. I had more arm pump on a 450 than a 300 2 stroke. The 450 was my personal bike.
Im from Mexico racing on the premier class...Rules say 250 2 strokes go on the 450 class but I´ve been debating now that we should race with the lites class! Like they do in Australia (home of the champs) Power displacment charts show how actually 2 strokes are now LESS powerfull than fourstrokes per cc. I´m getting terrible results racing and maybe thats why I rant but I believe I have a point!
Problem with 4stroke riders is they don't have the rpms high enough to get the maximum power of the motor. Gotta have it right up at the top rpms to go.
What do you have inside the T35 tires? Mousse? Tubes? I am curious what you like with the T35 front tire, which I have found to be a stiff carcass and not as good in rocky terrain. Do you use it in rocky trails also?
Two strokes are faster! Four strokes weigh more, cost more, and need a larger CC displacement to compete. That is why the AMA will not let the pro riders ride a 250 two stroke against a 250 four stroke.
Yeah the performance with 4-strokes has caught up but not the finesse and useability, atleast yet :) If you look at snowmobile engines you can get 80-90hp out of a 500cc cylinder so its possible to make a 90hp 2-stroke nowadays with reliability too. Just cut a sled engine like Ducati did with their motard engine 😏
man, i wish someone would just tell me what bike to get lol. I do rough single track in idaho, desert in southern nevada (some races) and I want to do some track and some trail riding with my wife... im thinking yz250fx, beta 200rr or yz250x... heck maybe even a ktm... ( i currently have a crf450x 2005 and it is too big and heavy)
After riding a 450 MX bike for 10+ years racing and trail riding it, the day I bought my 300 2s I was so pissed at myself all I could think of is this bike is pure magic why did I waste all those years trying to force my 450 to do things it’s terrible at. The 300 is incredible and the new TBI version is mind blowing.
@@BrianLampright913 well shoot, maybe i do need to go to the orange side, i dont know what it is, maybe its the price i just have never wanted one... but maybe i need to
Ok first thing this is comparison between you guys the two stroke isnt slower you are! 1.do either of you understand how the 2 stroke operates your comparing it to a vacuum pump with a combustion impeller . A practical comparison in a different context riding a two stroke with expansion chamber. Or a 4 stroke single bike . they couldn't be more different one uses resonance with intake velocity, combustion scavenges the exhaust which is in resonance with the pipe and reentering the combustion chamber and supercharging in a sense but with harmonic resonance like brass instrument like a trumpet . Wich you don't blow into to make by sound by pursing your lips and make a dirt-bike sound into the horn resonating the horn. Exactly like a reed valve (thank you Kenny Robertsand a clever Nazi ) . The four-stroke, more fuel more air, higher intake velocity more power . Lighter stronger pistons lighter stronger everything= more power more speed less math like being a horse power DJ as opposed to a classically trained musician playing music. The instrument must be in tune and then played in tune . Riding a two-stroke will only ever make you a better racer you could train on a two-stroke and only ride a 4 stroke in the race and be forever better on race day . 2strokes are alive in harmony with the earth and its physics and build better riders and racers , I wonder why the entire world or moto has started whole racing series just for two strokes you ever remember seeing the 4 stroke Nats? because no one wants to see a vacuum pump race it sucks ....lol
The issue is really the reclassification of CC's vs 2stroke vs 4stroke; I raced in the 70's and 4 strokes weren't there... toooooooooooooooooooooo slow off corners and out into straights it takes a lot of time and energy to wake up all those valves/cams etc.. Yes they have improved 4strokes. [[forced to, to get 2 stroke performance.][Oh yes it's sometimes easier to ride a 4 stroke because you can miss a shift/wrong gear and pull a steep "scary" hill in the desert [don't exsist in MX] the four stroke will do it however CC = CC watch the 2stroke skill riding "smoke" you. 1972-75 100mile desert; NO 4 strokes... some would try 2 or 3 out of hundreds. Sorry FACT; now if you want to hamper 2 strokes, and force a reg. that is unfair, then different story 500cc vs 250 add the fact that the bike companies stopped investing in 2 stroke tech and went to four stroke, it's just like all regulations they screw up everything. It's not like there are/were a million 2 strokes out there poluting. I have a Bultaco, and a CZ that no 441 BSA could touch, that's my era. 2 strokes will come out of a corner and leave you behind.. get ready Later I bought a Suz DR350 dual purpose took it out to a trail and the first thing I did, not planned was hit a banked/perm corner and when I gassed it out of the corner " I fell over" then I had to pick up a MONSTER. sorry fact semper fi bob .5S faster one lap on track expand that on 100 miles
Technically yes, but not really, a 450 is faster than a 250 2 stroke, but the main factor of buying a bike is the price, the 250 is much cheaper and for the cheaper price, you can mod it to be faster
If a 250 2 stroke revved higher it could be compared to a 450. 2 strokes make power twice as often, but they normally don’t rev as high, so they don’t make double the power, but they could
I blame the state of California, the AMA, and Yamaha for switching over to the 4 strokes. But look what you have now.... $10k+ showroom bikes. Takes the low budget racer out of the equation. Everyone is moving out of California, and the AMA.. well F*ck'em! lol. less moving parts lighter makes more power easier to work on cheaper Its a no brainer for the majority of ORV owners. 2 stroke wins.
2 strokes suck only guys who can't handle 4strokes ride them. And if 2strokes are so good why did AMA Supermotocross go to 4strokes only? Because 2strokes blow! If you like rebuilding your top-end every other season and replacing spark plugs all the time the buy a 2smoker. If you want reliability,torque,massive hillclimbing power without reving it to the moon then buy a 4stroke.
2 strokes make more torque, more horsepower, there easier to work on, cheaper to buy, fix, and maintain, don’t overheat as much, don’t require oil changes as much, don’t stall as easily, there lighter, don’t engine break, no timing chain to worry about, no valves and much more. This video has a fuel injected 2 stroke, you don’t have to change spark plugs, also tuning a carb properly can help prevent going through plugs
Your smoking big bowls of crack if you think 2smokers have more torque than a 4stroke! And everybody who rides 2smokers can't handle a 4stroke because their a bunch of wussies! I rode an XR600 in tight technical trails for years kept up with 250 2smokers all day long they asked how th Fk I did it?My reply was I hate 2strokes so much id rather ride a 295 lb beast than a loud obnoxious unreliable 2smoker! And your not manly enough to handle one bud! So that's why your on that light piece of crap!
This is the enduro 2 stroke it’s not meant for a Max track. 2 strokes are better, easier to ride makes you lazy and have less skill. 4 strokes are piles of shit
This was a really stupid comparison with a lot of garbage in garbage out analytical data. You got to C class goons that don’t even stand up when they ride on completely different manufacturers of bike ,trying to make a comparison and make some sense of it all. Bottom line the guy was faster on his own bike. Wow what a stretch. That’s a beginner for you. 2 stroke faster / harder to ride will shred you in capable hands. 4 stroke slower / easier to ride. Hence the 2 stoke guy almost as good on the 4 stroke while the other geek could barely ride the 2 stoke. End of analysis
Have you ever rode a 2 stroke? You better strap in,if you can wind up and drop the clutch whithout,killing it. They can be super fast,really quick,and make your ass pucker! 250's suck! 80's are badass,125 pretty good,500 is white knuckle?
No matter how many people will bag on 2 strokes, there is always that one kid on a 85 that passes you going mach jesus
literally bro😂
Dude, a buddies 90lb 9th grade daughter on an 85 stayed close but crashed in a soft berm. I then got in behind her and she yarded me. Had my mod'd 200SX WFO bro. FTW, a year ago I shielded her from the big bikes on the same track. No respect I tells ya
Yeah it’s my nephew and it’s a 65
No matter how many people will bag on 4 strokes , there is always that 14 years old kid on a 250f passing you with warp speed .
Now what?
My little CR80 big wheel used to clap folks at the track all the time. Called it my little red rocket.
I’ve owned majority 4 strokes bikes all my life, i got the little guy a kx65 and tried it out myself, man it’s a little rocket ship. Went and got myself a yz125 the next week 😂. There’s something so satisfying and fun about pushing your limits on the track and being able to stay inside the powerband through even the tightest turns. I want a 250 next !!
I am the exact opposite lol. I rode 2 strokes my whole life. Got a yz125 to get back into it. Traded it for a yz400f and I’ve never had so much fun
99.9% of riders do it for fun, choose what gives you that joy.
Great vid keep the hard work up👍
4 strokes are more user-friendly. They require less from the rider.
This comparison should be great. These TBIs are a little “newer” without having a carb or jetts. Also have features with electric start and minimal vibration.
Gotta do a short off-road desert loop next to compare! Seeing the data is very cool
I own a 450 and a 300, 450 rules the Mx track, but I’ll take my 300 for any type of off roading, the fun factor is off the charts and it requires less energy to ride. 450 off road feels more like a workout, kind of a buzz killer.
Is a 250 mx bike easier to ride than a 450? I have ridden a ktm 300, kx250 and my DT125. Never tried a 450.
The KX250 feels way too agressive to ride offroad but its super fun to hit some dirt roads with alot of elevations or riding on ice and deep snow :)
My DT125 though feels like it flows easily and the short 1st gear makes it a dream to go slowly and technical. I know its an old "learner" bike but damn shes gone wherever my friend has with his kx250 :D Only down on absolute power.
Get the carbed MC250 smoker. All it needs is a STIC Super X carb, but only if you want power approaching 450 levels. I've got one on an old 200SX and it pulls new 250F's and a '98 KX250! I'm mixing it up with 450F's suddenly. To keep it in control, I run the slowest turn G2 throttle cam. On the tight trails it has unstoppable grunt and lofts the wheel in an instant. YAT No Choice boys and girls!
@@jg79100 I missed out on mc250 new $5999!
Now '23 MC450 is $5999 at the same place. OTD prolly still under gonna be $7k
Couldnt disagree more about the arm pump. Id say it was more about the rider being less relaxed on the 2 stroke. I had more arm pump on a 450 than a 300 2 stroke. The 450 was my personal bike.
Im from Mexico racing on the premier class...Rules say 250 2 strokes go on the 450 class but I´ve been debating now that we should race with the lites class! Like they do in Australia (home of the champs) Power displacment charts show how actually 2 strokes are now LESS powerfull than fourstrokes per cc. I´m getting terrible results racing and maybe thats why I rant but I believe I have a point!
Problem with 4stroke riders is they don't have the rpms high enough to get the maximum power of the motor. Gotta have it right up at the top rpms to go.
What do you have inside the T35 tires? Mousse? Tubes? I am curious what you like with the T35 front tire, which I have found to be a stiff carcass and not as good in rocky terrain. Do you use it in rocky trails also?
Good job guys! Best channel in our state!
That guy on the 50 😂 “It’s the rider, bro!”
Two strokes are faster! Four strokes weigh more, cost more, and need a larger CC displacement to compete. That is why the AMA will not let the pro riders ride a 250 two stroke against a 250 four stroke.
You might be able to make a 250f make the same horsepower as a 250 2 stroke, but you can never get that torque
Great content video.
2 strokes are way more of a handful. #2strokes4life
All bikes are fast now and is always mostly rider skills.
Slow technical off road is where 2 strokes are definitely easier to ride .
Yeah the performance with 4-strokes has caught up but not the finesse and useability, atleast yet :)
If you look at snowmobile engines you can get 80-90hp out of a 500cc cylinder so its possible to make a 90hp 2-stroke nowadays with reliability too. Just cut a sled engine like Ducati did with their motard engine 😏
2 stroke for sure!!!!can't bet the fun factor
2 STROKES ALL THE WAY YZ POWER
What I think is interesting is that it’s easier to adapt to a 4s.
Now let's see laps on the rebuild 😆
man, i wish someone would just tell me what bike to get lol. I do rough single track in idaho, desert in southern nevada (some races) and I want to do some track and some trail riding with my wife... im thinking yz250fx, beta 200rr or yz250x... heck maybe even a ktm... ( i currently have a crf450x 2005 and it is too big and heavy)
After riding a 450 MX bike for 10+ years racing and trail riding it, the day I bought my 300 2s I was so pissed at myself all I could think of is this bike is pure magic why did I waste all those years trying to force my 450 to do things it’s terrible at. The 300 is incredible and the new TBI version is mind blowing.
@@BrianLampright913 well shoot, maybe i do need to go to the orange side, i dont know what it is, maybe its the price i just have never wanted one... but maybe i need to
@@2uzfe4x43 husky makes them in gray! :). Haha.
If you are a go for broke,guy balls out?
2 stroke?
Way hotter for cubic centameters?
I road a 500 kawisaki,2 stroke, a neighbor that raced,let us use,and It was SCARY!😮
Wouldn't it make more sense to compare a sx250 to a mc250f rather than an xc250?
Yes it would, we don't have one.
If make more sense, but this is more fair
The better one is the one you can ride better.
Ok first thing this is comparison between you guys the two stroke isnt slower you are! 1.do either of you understand how the 2 stroke operates your comparing it to a vacuum pump with a combustion impeller . A practical comparison in a different context riding a two stroke with expansion chamber. Or a 4 stroke single bike . they couldn't be more different one uses resonance with intake velocity, combustion scavenges the exhaust which is in resonance with the pipe and reentering the combustion chamber and supercharging in a sense but with harmonic resonance like brass instrument like a trumpet . Wich you don't blow into to make by sound by pursing your lips and make a dirt-bike sound into the horn resonating the horn. Exactly like a reed valve (thank you Kenny Robertsand a clever Nazi ) . The four-stroke, more fuel more air, higher intake velocity more power . Lighter stronger pistons lighter stronger everything= more power more speed less math like being a horse power DJ as opposed to a classically trained musician playing music. The instrument must be in tune and then played in tune . Riding a two-stroke will only ever make you a better racer you could train on a two-stroke and only ride a 4 stroke in the race and be forever better on race day . 2strokes are alive in harmony with the earth and its physics and build better riders and racers , I wonder why the entire world or moto has started whole racing series just for two strokes you ever remember seeing the 4 stroke Nats? because no one wants to see a vacuum pump race it sucks ....lol
The issue is really the reclassification of CC's vs 2stroke vs 4stroke; I raced in the 70's and 4 strokes weren't there... toooooooooooooooooooooo slow off corners and out into straights
it takes a lot of time and energy to wake up all those valves/cams etc.. Yes they have improved 4strokes. [[forced to, to get 2 stroke performance.][Oh yes it's sometimes easier to ride a 4 stroke because you can miss a shift/wrong gear and pull a steep "scary" hill in the desert [don't exsist in MX] the four stroke will do it however CC = CC watch the 2stroke skill riding "smoke" you.
1972-75 100mile desert; NO 4 strokes... some would try 2 or 3 out of hundreds.
Sorry FACT; now if you want to hamper 2 strokes, and force a reg. that is unfair, then different story 500cc vs 250 add the fact that the bike companies stopped investing in 2 stroke tech and went to four stroke, it's just like all regulations they screw up everything. It's not like there are/were a million 2 strokes out there poluting.
I have a Bultaco, and a CZ that no 441 BSA could touch, that's my era.
2 strokes will come out of a corner and leave you behind.. get ready
Later I bought a Suz DR350 dual purpose took it out to a trail and the first thing I did, not planned was hit a banked/perm corner and when I gassed it out of the corner " I fell over" then I had to pick up a MONSTER.
sorry fact
semper fi bob
.5S faster one lap on track expand that on 100 miles
Instead of on the gas, the 4 stroke guys spend all their time letting off the gas?
I’m confused….why would you compare a 250 2 stroke to 250 4 stroke? Isn’t a 2 stroke 250 basically equal to a 4 stroke 450 in power?
Technically yes, but not really, a 450 is faster than a 250 2 stroke, but the main factor of buying a bike is the price, the 250 is much cheaper and for the cheaper price, you can mod it to be faster
If a 250 2 stroke revved higher it could be compared to a 450. 2 strokes make power twice as often, but they normally don’t rev as high, so they don’t make double the power, but they could
They should just make a 3 stroke even things out…
They do, it’s called a TBI that motor is insane the way it delivers power between 2 and 4 stroke.
Rotary engine😂
What size are the bikes............big deal, BOTH 250,ok otherwise go get dinner
Old school my day 70's 80% rider 20% bike
love me a smoker... but I'm not a track guy
I have both a 450 and 300, 450 can’t be beat on an Mx track it’s like cheating, it’s the opposite off road, 300 2s is so much better!
Great vid now chuck a 125 and in the mix
I blame the state of California, the AMA, and Yamaha for switching over to the 4 strokes.
But look what you have now.... $10k+ showroom bikes. Takes the low budget racer out of the equation. Everyone is moving out of California, and the AMA.. well F*ck'em! lol.
less moving parts
lighter
makes more power
easier to work on
cheaper
Its a no brainer for the majority of ORV owners. 2 stroke wins.
Bringing 4 strokes out was annoying, but i still think yam makes the best 2 strokes
2 strokes suck only guys who can't handle 4strokes ride them. And if 2strokes are so good why did AMA Supermotocross go to 4strokes only? Because 2strokes blow! If you like rebuilding your top-end every other season and replacing spark plugs all the time the buy a 2smoker. If you want reliability,torque,massive hillclimbing power without reving it to the moon then buy a 4stroke.
You should try riding one first
Why does 4 stroke riders like kissing each other?
What are you on dude?
LMBO
2 strokes make more torque, more horsepower, there easier to work on, cheaper to buy, fix, and maintain, don’t overheat as much, don’t require oil changes as much, don’t stall as easily, there lighter, don’t engine break, no timing chain to worry about, no valves and much more. This video has a fuel injected 2 stroke, you don’t have to change spark plugs, also tuning a carb properly can help prevent going through plugs
Your smoking big bowls of crack if you think 2smokers have more torque than a 4stroke! And everybody who rides 2smokers can't handle a 4stroke because their a bunch of wussies! I rode an XR600 in tight technical trails for years kept up with 250 2smokers all day long they asked how th Fk I did it?My reply was I hate 2strokes so much id rather ride a 295 lb beast than a loud obnoxious unreliable 2smoker! And your not manly enough to handle one bud! So that's why your on that light piece of crap!
So overall a pretty clear victory for the four-stroke: fastest lap of the day despite less power, much easier to ride.
Get f***ed, gas mixers!
This is the enduro 2 stroke it’s not meant for a Max track. 2 strokes are better, easier to ride makes you lazy and have less skill. 4 strokes are piles of shit
This was a really stupid comparison with a lot of garbage in garbage out analytical data. You got to C class goons that don’t even stand up when they ride on completely different manufacturers of bike ,trying to make a comparison and make some sense of it all. Bottom line the guy was faster on his own bike. Wow what a stretch. That’s a beginner for you. 2 stroke faster / harder to ride will shred you in capable hands. 4 stroke slower / easier to ride. Hence the 2 stoke guy almost as good on the 4 stroke while the other geek could barely ride the 2 stoke. End of analysis
Heaven forbid people have fun on two wheels! Thanks for watching Lou. We'll let you know when we move up from C class
Click bait...nothing new here.
You put a 250 2stroke against a 250 4stroke……….put it against a bicycle next. Ilmao
Bicycle comes after the Barbie Jeep!
Apples to apples buddy
Have you ever rode a 2 stroke?
You better strap in,if you can wind up and drop the clutch whithout,killing it.
They can be super fast,really quick,and make your ass pucker!
250's suck!
80's are badass,125 pretty good,500 is white knuckle?
The KTM sounded lean. Just sayin.