@@Victor-wv3og that's hate for you? You seem to be very sensitive. It's just a funny statement. 2 strokes with their squeaky sound are just so childish.
Here's a quick one for trail riders, if your going to spend over 50% of your time running top end 5th gear tapped run 450 4 stroke. More than 50% of the time if your riding windy hilly terrain run 300 2 strokes. If you're like me and do 50/50 of the two. Buy both and plan your rides according to the bike you choose for the day. No such thing as too many bikes, their not like women and don't get mad when you ride 2 different ones.
This is the kind of summation I was looking for. This young man is informed and offers a, mostly non-biased, take on what a off-road newbie, like myself, is looking for. Many thanks for sharing your insights.
Well, lets be honest, we are all riders. Dont hate 2 stroke when you ride 4 stroke. Dont hate 4 stroke when you ride 2 stroke. Create dont hate Edit: Thanks for 500 likes omg🙏
Wrong! Torque is your corner enter speed. If you enter corners too fast, you adjust torque. Engine designers build take off power. It has nothing to do with the rider tuning the bike. They limited YOU at the factory.
Very professional video! I've ridden both and have seen a ton of research on why one is better than the other but NEVER have I seen such a good compilation in ONE video explaining it all so well. Great work guys!
This is the best, unbiased comparison I've seen. I like them both. I grew up on 2 strokes and now ride a 4 stroke, but that's because of the type of riding I do. I can totally see why people choose a 2 stroke for more tight, technical stuff. The goal is to have one of each 😄
Great video. Totally unbiased and very informative. I've been a pretty adamant 2-stroke guy for years, but I'm getting older now and 4-stroke technology keeps getting better, so I will probably go that route eventually. Videos like this certainly help in any decision making. Thanks.
I have a KTM Duke 390. A road bike but it is close to a dirt bike in feel. It's fantastic. But I wish it had a power band. Power band's are very special IMO.
Was looking for a video to send to a beginner friend of mine, explaining all this. What a great video, I have been riding for many, many years and I still stayed to watch the whole thing… wel presented and shared on to my friend to help him into the world of dirt bikes. Thanks!
@@ridewiththeknights Just watched this for the first time. Having just bought my first dirt bike it was a great video. Thank you for putting it out there!
@@ridewiththeknights Are the KTM Duke 125's good bikes, I'm looking for a starter bike and they caught my eye, as you will know it's a 4 Stoke, speeds not what i want one for, that can wait.
That was one of the best presentations of the differences I've seen in a while. I like your willingness to bring the physics of the matters into play and the use of the moving part count and rotational mass as the explaining variable for the observed outcomes. Nice work!
2 strokes just so much more fun in general, although i really enjoy my 450 for high speed desert riding, and my 2 stroke can be a struggle on some jumps out of corners on the main moto tracks.
@Ben T. 2 strokes are more fun but 4 strokes are more practical. 2 strokes have a really weird power band that makes it super hard to actually use the power from the bike. 4 strokes have a very even power band that steadily clubs with rpm. If you plan on just riding casually 2 strokes are a great choice but with any competitive racing you would want to go with a 4 stroke since it's usually not the bikes limits on a track. It's the rider/track that set limits,and using something that you can control a lot better is obviously more beneficial for lap times and consistent riding
As a semi experienced this video helped me choose which bike ill upgrade too tremendously. I absolutely LOVE 2 strokes but you really showed the pros of a 4 and changed my mind on being stubborn 2 stroke only
Man I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make this video, it was very well spoken and sounded very knowledgeable with great information.
I love me the consistent predictability of the torque in 4 strokes through the entire band. I want to pull the throttle and get the torque I want all the way through, not just in a specific spot
I'm an "old guy," and when i did mx and half mile (occasional trials), the only 4 strokes were in the open class in half mile. when i hear the term "two stroke" i would swear that i smell Blendzall in the air... lol. That said, i too have owned both, and both have their places... this was the finest explanation of the differences that i have ever seen... you rock! I hope that you will do more of such well detailed teachings in the future... suspension, tires, rake/trail, and the one i think most needed is MX bike vs Enduro (including street legal and not) - so many people that will *never* race buy mx bikes to do off-road... this is frequently not the best choice, since mx bikes are so finely honed to a specific purpose... (ok, off my soapbox) PLEASE keep up the good work... that was truly EXCELLENT!!
Looking at this kid I mistakenly ass u me d, "really"? Boy was I wrong. This guy has his facts together and a wonderful vocabulary to get the points across. Wonderful VID! I grew up in the 80's with 2x. Never cared for them. For my personal riding style, thank God 4x came along. Not to say I haven't been smoked by a 2x at the track on occasion. Usually a 12 yr. old on a YZ 80 ;-)
One of the best 2t vs 4t videos. Modern 4t definitely has the upper hand in just about everything. That being said my vote is 2t for dirtbike any day. It is just more fun to ride leisurely.
Upper hand in motocross maybe. But in hard enduro 2 strokes reign supreme. This seems to be forgotten in the US though since this riding style is much more popular in Europe
They only have the upper hand if the rider isn't a very good one. any person on a 2 stroke that knows what he's doing will leave the 4 stroke in the mist
This is literally the best video on 2v4!! I've watched like a freaking hundred videos on this, and this is definitely the best!!! You guys should have way more subs! TH-cam algorithm sucks.
I can honestly say this was the most informative and honest 12 minutes I have ever experienced on youtube, great Job! I would like to add to the qualifying list of 2 vs 4 stroke subject. If your an old guy like me trying to relive your childhood on a bike and don't want to be competitive, theres something to the sound and feel of a 2 stroke that is much of the fun! If all you want to do is pull up the front wheel here and there and and toss some dirt at under 30 mph that peak pull as you hit the pipe will make squirting around your property feel faster then it is!
Great video! As someone new to dirtbikes I personally like 4 strokes due to their predictability which allows me to focus more on technique and myself rather than focusing on not accidentally hitting the powerband and dying lol.
power valves and adjustable ignition map switches can be tuned on modern 2 strokes, they can be tuned to act almost like a 4 stroke with a very linear power band, and they can be tuned to hit their peak output so fast it will rip the bars from your hand, it used to be hit or miss if you bought the wrong bike before variable power valves, some were literally death traps especially for inexperienced riders that isn't the cases anymore and hasn't been for a long while
This might be the best source of "Dirt Bike" information I've ever seen. I am a former mx-er and my 14 year old is starting to ride but has many questions that I don't have (or never knew) the answer to. This channel is AWESOME!!! and the information is presented in a fantastic way. GREAT JOB Team Knights and thank you from a old crusty rider.
finally a good video to break down the differences.. i think a 4 stroke would fit my riding style better... but there is nothing above the 2 stroke smell
@@vaughanhodgson silly boy 4 strokes do not have a powerband at all that is because they suck ..two strokes on the other hand are internally super charged and make boost as soon as they come on the pipe that is when the power band starts ...4 strokes have no possible way of doing this as all a 4-stroke can do is suck
@@donniebaker5984 lol come on mate u talk as if a power band is a add on. Power band exists in every engine even your lawn mower its simply the band of rap where it makes its most power and in this instance the 4stroke has a much wider band of power
Very well done, Thank you. I have a few years under my belt....and have enjoyed watching 4 Strokes become more competitive. Your narrative explains things very well. Thank You, Bobb
2 stroke any day of the week for me. Would take me back to my childhood. The smell of the oil, the sound of an engine having its kneck rung, the blur of trees in peripheral vision👌👌
Best video on the internet about this topic, hands down! I wish there was a 2 stroke with more engine brake. I do enduro in the desert and love that 2 strokes don't over heat, but depend on the engine breaking of the 4 stroke on the downhills, so I ride 4 stroke.
Everyone should experience ripping through a few gears in the power band on a two-stroke This is a really good collection of information. Best video I’ve seen yet to recommend to someone who asks “what’s the difference b’tween 4 and 2 stroke?”
@@estebanod Less moving parts, less probability to fail. More reliability. If you are a useless and only know how put fuel on it. Well, probably you find a four strokes more reliability. In extreme enduros, what kind of engine do you see more?
@@rickszudarek4320 Yes, few minutes. It take me only 20 - 30 minutes change a pistón. And about two hours to change from connecting rod to piston. Three if I must mount and center the connecting rod. And I only have a very small workshop in my garage, with a very few professional tools.
I like the 4 stroke engine sound because it sounds more like an efficient high performance engine and not like a chainsaw but I also love the 2 stroke sound because it sounds like it's ripping everything it touches to shreds with sheer willpower and facemelting power. As for the performance, I've never ridden anything 2stroke other than a 92 snowmobile lol but it seems intimidating and fun
For a noob like me (i got a four stroke) it was bwoah bwoah braaaaa so basically i almost killed the bike and it took like 5 seconds to get to the powerband but it was my mistake
@@kurtkurt8938 rode a yz 490 a air cooled vibrator and the early 80s cr 500s were absolutely brutal. The later kxs and crs were more refined stump pulling power and top end rockets. I absolutely adore my 97 cr 500
This is by far the most thorough, thoughtful and comprehensive video on the difference of engines! Luv it. Had to go through like 5 other time wasting videos to find this one. Pure Signal. Thank you!
@@rickszudarek4320 500 makes more power but the 450 puts it to the ground a lot better .. There is videos of 500’s racing 450’s and the 450 won but not by much. Only took like 30 years good job 4 stroke lmao
@@rickszudarek4320 I should have elaborated, on the dyno it the 500 puts down more. Imagine a 500 2 stroke with the same technology as these new 450’s have today guarantee the 500 would be putting down 80+ hp on pump gas
I owned 2 strokes all my life. Right now I have a 2005 CR 250 R. I boared it out to 286. The only problem I’ve always had living in southern Arizona is having the fuel mixture right with all our temperatures vary so much down here, hot to cold and fixed the AIR FUEL mixture. . Now I’m riding a 2023 CRf 250 RX , it’s a four stroke. I’m not worried about fuel mixture anymore. It’s fuel injection ,electric start. It has three power modes ,,,that help so well on Narly trails, The power modes are great.! Thank you for your wonderful video😽
i used to think a 4 stroke was better for me because power band in 2 strokes scared me but now that ive ridden a 94 kx125 and a 93kx250 powerband no longer scares me it bring a smile to my face everytime it activates i love the feel of a 2 stroke more then 4 i love the sound and the way fat pipes look on 2 andf i just love the power 2 strokes are where i belong
Great info but forgot to mention how sweet 2 strokes am always puts a smile on ur face no matter what 4 stroke get really boring after a while 2 strokes reliably is insane 2 stroke blows up low cost 4 stroke crank snaps that’s a whole new motor
@@thatoneweasel true but I was just giving another side of the story as he forgot to mention about the actual costs yes he said 4 strokes are more I’m pretty sure haven’t watched the vid in a while but for me personally I don’t think it matters to love one and hate the other but you need to ride both to get a understanding of which one you like better as for me I went from a 125 to 3 250 2 strokes then to a 19 yz250f and holy crap that bike is amazing but even though it’s the best bike I’ve ever rode I still want to go to a 250 2 stroke even though last time I was on one I hated it
Very well thought out and put together video Josh. Super impressed with the content you are bringing the offroad community both experienced and just starting out. Keep it coming!
I appreciate how much you stress the fact that neither is better than the other or worse than the other. There’s too many dumbasses online nowadays being all like: “two stroke riders suck.” It’s just that annoying mindset society has nowadays that one thing is completely better than the other rather than just looking at what each category does good and bad. Everything has a downside and everything has a benefit, nothing is objectively better than the other
Then why are there just 4 strokes in super cross? Super cross are the most talented in the world and not a two stroke in sight? I ride four stroke and I love two strokes they’re so much fun but let’s be honest 2 strokes are for old people lol
@@lucananni8807 4 strokes are being pushed in racing for several reasons. EPA regulations and the companies focusing on selling the 4 strokes are 2 of the biggest reasons. Many places restrict 2 strokes and the AMA has been harsh on 2 stroke's in competition. The motorcycle industry has, for decades, been relying on automobile manufactures spending millions on research and development. They only do this for 4 stroke engines and the motorcycle industry has benefited greatly by not having to pay the price. The motorcycle industry does not want to spend research and development money on 2 strokes which they believe are being legislated out. This is why the factory rides are 4 stroke. Old people? Really wanna go there?
You guys sound so you really know what you’re doing. Very well put together and detailed information. Just looking into off-road riding in addition to my on road and track riding
Both is best But one time me and my Mates Batteries all died at the same time and i had to drive tho the next Gas Station to find a Guy who will help us so i think the Kickstarter is just better at all
Great video. Would love to see a video shot on technical terrain showing the pro’s and con’s between the two engines. Your explanations are top notch, seeing them in action would be awesome.
@@magnumllama400 friend 🏍 YZ are racing bikes , highly recommended in the old choices , And maintenance 2 stroke is a bit less , because of less moving parts , ,
I'm a Kawasaki guy, but hats off to KTM for continuing the progression of 2 strokes and not giving in to the pressure of the environmentalist, vegan, hippies.
That is the real reason 4-stroke dirt bikes even exist. Anyone in the know already knows that. Keep the 2-strokes offroad on the dirt and the 4-strokes on the street where they belong.
You ABSOLUTELY nailed it! My WR250R is nearly impossible to ride through boulders/reef/rock nasty slow stuff. But it wheelies and just slams corners hard and just feels comfy. It’s also a dual sport so obviously it does well on the street. The YZ250 2 stroke is unstoppable through nasty rocky reef and mud and stuff. Just lugs around. And it absolutely rips through sand and feels like I’m not even revving it enough. Pipe is cold after a few minutes. It’s just an awesome bike. I tried a friends 450 through some rocky reef sections and I stalled and dropped it more than I’d like to admit. But in sand and straightaways, it’s downright scary. So like you said, 2 stroke for some more technical low speed riding. 4 stroke when you wanna go maybe more high speed with stability. My 4 stroke is a blast on single track. I can chill in 2nd or 3rd and just sit or stand and go slow or fast. The 2 stroke, I have to stand and it kinda just wants to go fast to get the suspension working I guess.
why is 4t better on motocross? 2t is way lighter and more powerful. ideal fot motocross. 4t have power in lower rpm and dont cost too much money on gas as 2t. because youll ride more kilometers. ideal for enduro
Nah 4 stroke is more fun i have yamaha custom build what is a animal and i have 2 stroke husqvarna and ill say 2 strokes are less fun and not that good for riding i think you just havent rided 4 stroke
@@marlonshkaaa1601 you cant go out and just say 4 strokes are more fun it all depends on the rider and what kind of riding they will be doing. ps rided is not a word
I always used smokeless synthetic Yamaha lube R and never had one spec of carbon build up at all and the spark plug would look like it came from a 4 stroke street bike
be a lad dont be a pussy get a two stroke plus four stroke cost thousands in rebuilds and oil changes every ride and new air filter every ride and shiming the valves
Yeah, we can’t get rid of them forever! They just won’t go away! And neither will these kinds of comparisons vids. Doesn’t matter what we do, in 100 years, they’ll still be telling us all about 4 strokes VS 2 stroke bikes. We just can’t stop stupid.
Bro, you are the man. Every video is 100% top shelf, you are extremely smart without being arrogant. You give every consideration without bias, and have valid points. Keep up the great work my man , you are by far the best on You Tube for dirt bike knowledge
#12 Sound: Four strokes have higher decibel levels and sound like a purring tiger (your neighbors will be annoyed). Two strokes have lower decibel levels and sound like the banshee/bain si spirit of Irish folklore known for it's keening or shrieking (your neighbors will hate you).
The sound of a 2 stroke flying by never gets old. Always puts a smile on my face.
You're the type of guy who falls in love with the girl with the squeaky voice. Or the rubber duck for that matter.
@@lennykump8396 why hate on the guy?
@@Victor-wv3og that's hate for you? You seem to be very sensitive. It's just a funny statement. 2 strokes with their squeaky sound are just so childish.
@@lennykump8396 🦆🐥🦢🐤🐣🐣🐤🐤🦢🐥🦆🐥🐥🦢🦢🐤🐣🐣🐤🦢🦢🐥🦢🐤🦢🦆🦆🦆🐥🐥
Its not about the sound, its about what it hides from us
*THE POWER*
Here's a quick one for trail riders, if your going to spend over 50% of your time running top end 5th gear tapped run 450 4 stroke. More than 50% of the time if your riding windy hilly terrain run 300 2 strokes. If you're like me and do 50/50 of the two. Buy both and plan your rides according to the bike you choose for the day. No such thing as too many bikes, their not like women and don't get mad when you ride 2 different ones.
At least this guy gets it.
This is true but most people can’t afford more than one bike lol
Or two women….just sayin.
Kinda like guns lol
@@lyleswan6671 lol I’m 11 and I knew it
Nothin' like the smell of 2 stroke in the morning...
Well nufin like the sound of a good 4 stroke not no piss ass ting ting noise 🤭😅
I ride a 4 stroke but I have to agree with you, it smells great
@@d.m.channel9255 ikr
Oh yes!! That smell is very unique.
@@d.m.channel9255 Not Klotz oil though, I haven't been around that stuff in years and I swear I have smell flashbacks of that nasty crap lol.
4s are awesome power and torque
2s are awesome power band and punch
Totally different bikes
This is the kind of summation I was looking for. This young man is informed and offers a, mostly non-biased, take on what a off-road newbie, like myself, is looking for. Many thanks for sharing your insights.
Well, lets be honest, we are all riders. Dont hate 2 stroke when you ride 4 stroke. Dont hate 4 stroke when you ride 2 stroke. Create dont hate
Edit: Thanks for 500 likes omg🙏
Ya we got to hate on the quad guys
@@exoticgamer6220 True, true. Unless Banshee.
i own a 2000 suzuki 125 and a 2016 kx450f. the 125 is more fun but if someone pisses me off i pull out the 450
@@exoticgamer6220 soo true haha
If I'm being honest, I don't even have a bike
I'm to poor
This is a well compiled and well presented effort, young squire.
Elite!
Id like to see better
@That one German Kid hahahahahaa
You don’t call a Knight a Squire but I get your point.
@@dadailyscholar i am but a lowly peasant.
From the beginning I already knew that this guy knows what he’s talking about
Wrong!
Torque is your corner enter speed.
If you enter corners too fast, you adjust torque.
Engine designers build take off power.
It has nothing to do with the rider tuning the bike.
They limited YOU at the factory.
Merle haggard
Very professional video! I've ridden both and have seen a ton of research on why one is better than the other but NEVER have I seen such a good compilation in ONE video explaining it all so well. Great work guys!
This video makes me wish a 3 stroke existed 😂😅
KTM 300! My 3 stroke
@@dogdog1960 😂 mine too!
@@Indefinite3Point14 ye that sounds incredibly borring not having to switch gears 🤮
Tesla 3 stroke
That's basically a tuned 4 stroke or detuned 2 stroke.
This is the best, unbiased comparison I've seen. I like them both. I grew up on 2 strokes and now ride a 4 stroke, but that's because of the type of riding I do. I can totally see why people choose a 2 stroke for more tight, technical stuff. The goal is to have one of each 😄
Haha I was thinking the same 🤣
”FOR YOU” That’s the phrase. It’s all about personal preference.
2 smokers for life!
Solid video boys!
And smells great!
And rebuilds suck
@@modikis8238 a lot easier then a 4 stoke mate
Tbh a 2stroke just sounds like a weed whacker
doja delassus I feel bad for you but to each their own!
Great video. Totally unbiased and very informative. I've been a pretty adamant 2-stroke guy for years, but I'm getting older now and 4-stroke technology keeps getting better, so I will probably go that route eventually. Videos like this certainly help in any decision making. Thanks.
I have a KTM Duke 390. A road bike but it is close to a dirt bike in feel. It's fantastic. But I wish it had a power band. Power band's are very special IMO.
Was looking for a video to send to a beginner friend of mine, explaining all this. What a great video, I have been riding for many, many years and I still stayed to watch the whole thing… wel presented and shared on to my friend to help him into the world of dirt bikes. Thanks!
Really top tier video in every way! Great filming, editing, and as always, fantastic riding. The information is also excellent. Nice work guys!
Thank you! We really enjoyed making this one!
@@ridewiththeknights Just watched this for the first time. Having just bought my first dirt bike it was a great video. Thank you for putting it out there!
@@ridewiththeknights I've seen your face somewhere it's driving me nuts, did you have or still have another TH-cam channel.
@@ridewiththeknights Are the KTM Duke 125's good bikes, I'm looking for a starter bike and they caught my eye, as you will know it's a 4 Stoke, speeds not what i want one for, that can wait.
Facts bro💪🏽🔥🔥💯
That was one of the best presentations of the differences I've seen in a while. I like your willingness to bring the physics of the matters into play and the use of the moving part count and rotational mass as the explaining variable for the observed outcomes. Nice work!
Thank You! Glad you enjoyed the video!
2 strokes just so much more fun in general, although i really enjoy my 450 for high speed desert riding, and my 2 stroke can be a struggle on some jumps out of corners on the main moto tracks.
hmmmm. i have lots of fun on 2 of 4 strokers !!
I think 2 strokes are better sounding and it's really fun to go into the power band, 4 strokes just are good at a lot of things.
I have a 4 stroke but I kinda want a 2 stroke after looking at this video
We all just need 1 of each.
@Ben T. 2 strokes are more fun but 4 strokes are more practical. 2 strokes have a really weird power band that makes it super hard to actually use the power from the bike. 4 strokes have a very even power band that steadily clubs with rpm. If you plan on just riding casually 2 strokes are a great choice but with any competitive racing you would want to go with a 4 stroke since it's usually not the bikes limits on a track. It's the rider/track that set limits,and using something that you can control a lot better is obviously more beneficial for lap times and consistent riding
As a semi experienced this video helped me choose which bike ill upgrade too tremendously. I absolutely LOVE 2 strokes but you really showed the pros of a 4 and changed my mind on being stubborn 2 stroke only
Man I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make this video, it was very well spoken and sounded very knowledgeable with great information.
I love me the consistent predictability of the torque in 4 strokes through the entire band. I want to pull the throttle and get the torque I want all the way through, not just in a specific spot
2 stroke is mid to top you just got to stay on the throttle. It's consistent you just can't be lazy like on a 4 stroke.
You lack the skill
@@jpesicka492 Talking to a brick wall these new riders just suck.
@@davidbeauvais1364 lol just because someone doesn't like what you like doesn't make them bad at it, grow up
@@davidbeauvais1364
I'm 46 and started riding in 1987. I agree with you!
Really, really good! This young man is a natural. 50 yrs. off-road riding, and I'm impressed. Best wishes to you.
I had a yz85 when I was 14 and I loved that little 2 stroke. That powerband would pop the front end up so quick. I was in love with it
I'm an "old guy," and when i did mx and half mile (occasional trials), the only 4 strokes were in the open class in half mile. when i hear the term "two stroke" i would swear that i smell Blendzall in the air... lol. That said, i too have owned both, and both have their places... this was the finest explanation of the differences that i have ever seen... you rock! I hope that you will do more of such well detailed teachings in the future... suspension, tires, rake/trail, and the one i think most needed is MX bike vs Enduro (including street legal and not) - so many people that will *never* race buy mx bikes to do off-road... this is frequently not the best choice, since mx bikes are so finely honed to a specific purpose... (ok, off my soapbox) PLEASE keep up the good work... that was truly EXCELLENT!!
Looking at this kid I mistakenly ass u me d, "really"? Boy was I wrong. This guy has his facts together and a wonderful vocabulary to get the points across. Wonderful VID!
I grew up in the 80's with 2x. Never cared for them. For my personal riding style, thank God 4x came along. Not to say I haven't been smoked by a 2x at the track on occasion. Usually a 12 yr. old on a YZ 80 ;-)
Just followed because he knows what he is talking about🔥
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One of the best 2t vs 4t videos. Modern 4t definitely has the upper hand in just about everything. That being said my vote is 2t for dirtbike any day. It is just more fun to ride leisurely.
Upper hand in motocross maybe. But in hard enduro 2 strokes reign supreme. This seems to be forgotten in the US though since this riding style is much more popular in Europe
@Single Sucks That's not even close to hard enduro, that's desert racing. Look up hard enduro, Graham Jarvis, you won't find a single 4 stroke.
@@LizardHunter777 you will but he usually rides a 2 stroke. But he still ripped sith the four stroke even tho its heavier
They only have the upper hand if the rider isn't a very good one. any person on a 2 stroke that knows what he's doing will leave the 4 stroke in the mist
If same cubic inch displacement, no chance 4 stroke would win from 2 stroke
Great video, Josh!
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Thanks Rocky Mountain! We couldn't do it without you!
@Single Sucks I mean, RM ATV/MC is an hour drive south of this track so you know... everyone in UT knows each other from church.
I need free shit too!
Thanks
This is literally the best video on 2v4!! I've watched like a freaking hundred videos on this, and this is definitely the best!!! You guys should have way more subs! TH-cam algorithm sucks.
I can honestly say this was the most informative and honest 12 minutes I have ever experienced on youtube, great Job! I would like to add to the qualifying list of 2 vs 4 stroke subject. If your an old guy like me trying to relive your childhood on a bike and don't want to be competitive, theres something to the sound and feel of a 2 stroke that is much of the fun! If all you want to do is pull up the front wheel here and there and and toss some dirt at under 30 mph that peak pull as you hit the pipe will make squirting around your property feel faster then it is!
This is the best "2T vs 4T" video that I have seen, period. Well done!
Great video! As someone new to dirtbikes I personally like 4 strokes due to their predictability which allows me to focus more on technique and myself rather than focusing on not accidentally hitting the powerband and dying lol.
Yeah, I love 4 strokes for the same reason, I love the smooth ride and don't have to mess with the clutch all of the time
Don't break your wrist. Or Stay in The R's and Pin to Win!! No surprise When Haul Ass is applied. Ride a Mixer or Ride Ur Sister. 2smoker4life
Sometimes you gotta throw caution into the wind or its pointless to have a bike
power valves and adjustable ignition map switches can be tuned on modern 2 strokes, they can be tuned to act almost like a 4 stroke with a very linear power band, and they can be tuned to hit their peak output so fast it will rip the bars from your hand, it used to be hit or miss if you bought the wrong bike before variable power valves, some were literally death traps especially for inexperienced riders that isn't the cases anymore and hasn't been for a long while
@@canton7180 i’ve been wanting to get a dirt bike but i’m debating on getting a 2 or 4 stroke i’m leaning more towards 4 tho
great timeless wisdom from such a young guy. i miss my old 2 strokers
This might be the best source of "Dirt Bike" information I've ever seen. I am a former mx-er and my 14 year old is starting to ride but has many questions that I don't have (or never knew) the answer to. This channel is AWESOME!!! and the information is presented in a fantastic way. GREAT JOB Team Knights and thank you from a old crusty rider.
Thanks for the kind words! We're happy to help however we can!
But that 2 stroke power band... Guaranteed to put a smile on your face! I love both but for the most fun per grip twist, you can beat 2 smokes
finally a good video to break down the differences.. i think a 4 stroke would fit my riding style better... but there is nothing above the 2 stroke smell
I can't let go of the awesome feeling of the 2 stroke powerband.
the power band on a 4stoke is from idle to redline pretty much
@@vaughanhodgson silly boy 4 strokes do not have a powerband at all that is because they suck ..two strokes on the other hand are internally super charged and make boost as soon as they come on the pipe that is when the power band starts ...4 strokes have no possible way of doing this as all a 4-stroke can do is suck
@@donniebaker5984 lol come on mate u talk as if a power band is a add on. Power band exists in every engine even your lawn mower its simply the band of rap where it makes its most power and in this instance the 4stroke has a much wider band of power
i cant get a 2 stroke cuz neighbors will be bothered by the sound of the powerband
@@kalebkeveryga5919 Haha yeah i feel bad everytime i accelerate in areas with lots of houses or walls cuz it does echo, and alot.
Very well done, Thank you. I have a few years under my belt....and have enjoyed watching 4 Strokes become more competitive. Your narrative explains things very well.
Thank You, Bobb
2 stroke any day of the week for me. Would take me back to my childhood. The smell of the oil, the sound of an engine having its kneck rung, the blur of trees in peripheral vision👌👌
Best video on the internet about this topic, hands down!
I wish there was a 2 stroke with more engine brake. I do enduro in the desert and love that 2 strokes don't over heat, but depend on the engine breaking of the 4 stroke on the downhills, so I ride 4 stroke.
Everyone should experience ripping through a few gears in the power band on a two-stroke
This is a really good collection of information. Best video I’ve seen yet to recommend to someone who asks “what’s the difference b’tween 4 and 2 stroke?”
I love how professional this guy speaks! 👍
Spot on! Love the unbiased opinion!
It’s uneducated and unwise gossiping.
Finally some one with intelligent dialogue proving one and for all that two stokes are better. THANK YOU.
Been trying to figure out what bike I want when I’m older and this solved it! Thanks my man!
I love the simplicity of the 2 strokes. In a few minutes you can rebuild the entire motor with a lot less money than 4 strokes.
Few minutes lol
Well thank it's simple, it's also not as reliable, if it were hard to rebuild that would be ass lol
@@estebanod Less moving parts, less probability to fail. More reliability. If you are a useless and only know how put fuel on it. Well, probably you find a four strokes more reliability. In extreme enduros, what kind of engine do you see more?
@@rickszudarek4320 Yes, few minutes. It take me only 20 - 30 minutes change a pistón. And about two hours to change from connecting rod to piston. Three if I must mount and center the connecting rod. And I only have a very small workshop in my garage, with a very few professional tools.
Youl lose an insane amount of money on gas over a few years compared to a four stroke
I love my 450, I wouldn't change it for anything, but I guess it depends on the needs and riding style of everyone. Terrific video, thank you!
Do you still have it
I like the 4 stroke engine sound because it sounds more like an efficient high performance engine and not like a chainsaw but I also love the 2 stroke sound because it sounds like it's ripping everything it touches to shreds with sheer willpower and facemelting power. As for the performance, I've never ridden anything 2stroke other than a 92 snowmobile lol but it seems intimidating and fun
For a noob like me (i got a four stroke) it was bwoah bwoah braaaaa so basically i almost killed the bike and it took like 5 seconds to get to the powerband but it was my mistake
4 strokes definitely have a high performance sound but it's not an efficient sound. it's the sound of brute force and brute force ain't efficient
Try a kx500 dude
@@kurtkurt8938 rode a yz 490 a air cooled vibrator and the early 80s cr 500s were absolutely brutal. The later kxs and crs were more refined stump pulling power and top end rockets. I absolutely adore my 97 cr 500
Thank you for putting this comparison together! I’ve wanted to give dirt bike riding a try and this is well done.
This is by far the most thorough, thoughtful and comprehensive video on the difference of engines! Luv it. Had to go through like 5 other time wasting videos to find this one. Pure Signal. Thank you!
Got a Yamaha yz450f 4-stroke it’s amazing on trails
As you eat my cr 500 smoke
2003 Ktm 525sx converted to 6 speed exc model without electric start. I love the bike so far.
Got a (Yamaha YZ250) and all I gotta say is- Hear the ping smell the smoke you have just been passed by a 2 stroke🤙🏻
Try a 500 two stroke
Both 250 and 500 2 strokes are less powerful than a modern 450. Sorry
@@rickszudarek4320 500 makes more power but the 450 puts it to the ground a lot better .. There is videos of 500’s racing 450’s and the 450 won but not by much. Only took like 30 years good job 4 stroke lmao
@@iAmMighty-Frieza wrong. The CR500 makes 55hp. The 2020 CRF450R makes 63. Google it
@@rickszudarek4320 I should have elaborated, on the dyno it the 500 puts down more. Imagine a 500 2 stroke with the same technology as these new 450’s have today guarantee the 500 would be putting down 80+ hp on pump gas
I owned 2 strokes all my life. Right now I have a 2005 CR 250 R. I boared it out to 286. The only problem I’ve always had living in southern Arizona is having the fuel mixture right with all our temperatures vary so much down here, hot to cold and fixed the AIR FUEL mixture. .
Now I’m riding a 2023 CRf 250 RX , it’s a four stroke. I’m not worried about fuel mixture anymore. It’s fuel injection ,electric start. It has three power modes ,,,that help so well on Narly trails, The power modes are great.! Thank you for your wonderful video😽
i used to think a 4 stroke was better for me because power band in 2 strokes scared me but now that ive ridden a 94 kx125 and a 93kx250 powerband no longer scares me it bring a smile to my face everytime it activates i love the feel of a 2 stroke more then 4 i love the sound and the way fat pipes look on 2 andf i just love the power 2 strokes are where i belong
Great info but forgot to mention how sweet 2 strokes am always puts a smile on ur face no matter what 4 stroke get really boring after a while 2 strokes reliably is insane 2 stroke blows up low cost 4 stroke crank snaps that’s a whole new motor
Sometimes a whole new bike
the whole point of the video is that its unbiased
@@thatoneweasel true but I was just giving another side of the story as he forgot to mention about the actual costs yes he said 4 strokes are more I’m pretty sure haven’t watched the vid in a while but for me personally I don’t think it matters to love one and hate the other but you need to ride both to get a understanding of which one you like better as for me I went from a 125 to 3 250 2 strokes then to a 19 yz250f and holy crap that bike is amazing but even though it’s the best bike I’ve ever rode I still want to go to a 250 2 stroke even though last time I was on one I hated it
Great video. 2 strokes are superb because of the power band. It's a really special thing IMO.
Very well thought out and put together video Josh.
Super impressed with the content you are bringing the offroad community both experienced and just starting out.
Keep it coming!
The most articulated 2s vs 4s comparison i have seen on youtube!
I appreciate how much you stress the fact that neither is better than the other or worse than the other. There’s too many dumbasses online nowadays being all like: “two stroke riders suck.” It’s just that annoying mindset society has nowadays that one thing is completely better than the other rather than just looking at what each category does good and bad. Everything has a downside and everything has a benefit, nothing is objectively better than the other
I agree. Best way to learn is to try as many things as possible. Sadly, not everyone agrees.
For all those guys that are trying to decide between 4 strokes and 2 strokes, think about it like this: if you aint mixin gas, you aint gettin ass
Mix gas n slap ass
Stupid
No u
@@screwedupmystic2597 very
PREACH BROTHER PREACH. Except Scott Summers is GOD on a 300 pound wash tub
4 strokes are like sipping a glass of smooth whiskey
2 strokes are like an IV to the neck filled with tequila and bang
4 stroke are like condoms
2 strokes are no condom
@@screwedupmystic2597 I’ll take no condom please
@@TheFreelanceCowboy you like it raw pappi?
No.1, 2 strokes rule, No.2, 2 strokes rule.
Then why are there just 4 strokes in super cross? Super cross are the most talented in the world and not a two stroke in sight? I ride four stroke and I love two strokes they’re so much fun but let’s be honest 2 strokes are for old people lol
@@lucananni8807 4 strokes are being pushed in racing for several reasons. EPA regulations and the companies focusing on selling the 4 strokes are 2 of the biggest reasons. Many places restrict 2 strokes and the AMA has been harsh on 2 stroke's in competition. The motorcycle industry has, for decades, been relying on automobile manufactures spending millions on research and development. They only do this for 4 stroke engines and the motorcycle industry has benefited greatly by not having to pay the price. The motorcycle industry does not want to spend research and development money on 2 strokes which they believe are being legislated out. This is why the factory rides are 4 stroke. Old people? Really wanna go there?
Luca Nanni because of commercialization of the sport by the AMA and other entities that make more $ on expensive four strokes.thats why.
john beach sorry I didn’t read your comment but I told him basically the same thing, commercialization of motor sports etc.
john beach no shit ! Old people? They still rule in tight woods and always will, which is what I ride anyway
You guys sound so you really know what you’re doing. Very well put together and detailed information. Just looking into off-road riding in addition to my on road and track riding
very educational, told the facts like they are. didn't sugarcoat anything, didn't trash talk either like a lot of people would. excellent
Kickstarters are so useful cause if dead battery electric start won’t start. But it’s also good to have both?
Both is best
But one time me and my Mates Batteries all died at the same time and i had to drive tho the next Gas Station to find a Guy who will help us so i think the Kickstarter is just better at all
Lol you can push start ANY bike...
@@shadeshiest22 Not any but every bike with a Kick
Great video. Would love to see a video shot on technical terrain showing the pro’s and con’s between the two engines. Your explanations are top notch, seeing them in action would be awesome.
Outstanding comparison and facts on both machines . Very well done👍
Excellent video. All the information I need in one place. Excellent annunciation, great graphics and footage. You're a real pro!
One of the best TH-cam videos about the subject, right to the point and great info for a noob like myself. Thanks!
Nothing beats the sound of a 125cc 2 stroke 💪🏍
Which do you have?
@@magnumllama400 the best Yamaha YZ125 2013 , and a older YZ250 , , 🏍 they’re old but run like new 😜 Yamaha forever
@@jimydoolittle3129 is the yz a racing or trails bike? So does it need less or more maintenance than other 2 strokes?
@@magnumllama400 friend 🏍 YZ are racing bikes , highly recommended in the old choices , And maintenance 2 stroke is a bit less , because of less moving parts , ,
@@magnumllama400 i found this vid ,th-cam.com/video/Nt-dAN6qFWI/w-d-xo.html
“Moderate Weight Bike + Slow Power = Heavy Feeling”
*Laughs in Harley Davidson*
2 stroke for enduro and riding in woods
4 stroke for motocross
The complete oppositein my opinion
Tsuf Chakmon same
I'm a Kawasaki guy, but hats off to KTM for continuing the progression of 2 strokes and not giving in to the pressure of the environmentalist, vegan, hippies.
That is the real reason 4-stroke dirt bikes even exist. Anyone in the know already knows that. Keep the 2-strokes offroad on the dirt and the 4-strokes on the street where they belong.
You ABSOLUTELY nailed it!
My WR250R is nearly impossible to ride through boulders/reef/rock nasty slow stuff. But it wheelies and just slams corners hard and just feels comfy. It’s also a dual sport so obviously it does well on the street.
The YZ250 2 stroke is unstoppable through nasty rocky reef and mud and stuff. Just lugs around. And it absolutely rips through sand and feels like I’m not even revving it enough. Pipe is cold after a few minutes. It’s just an awesome bike.
I tried a friends 450 through some rocky reef sections and I stalled and dropped it more than I’d like to admit. But in sand and straightaways, it’s downright scary.
So like you said, 2 stroke for some more technical low speed riding. 4 stroke when you wanna go maybe more high speed with stability.
My 4 stroke is a blast on single track. I can chill in 2nd or 3rd and just sit or stand and go slow or fast. The 2 stroke, I have to stand and it kinda just wants to go fast to get the suspension working I guess.
2t - enduro. ♥️
4t - motocross.
why is 4t better on motocross? 2t is way lighter and more powerful. ideal fot motocross. 4t have power in lower rpm and dont cost too much money on gas as 2t. because youll ride more kilometers. ideal for enduro
LOVE 2-stroke SOUND!
I feel like that 2 strokes are more fun
Nah 4 stroke is more fun i have yamaha custom build what is a animal and i have 2 stroke husqvarna and ill say 2 strokes are less fun and not that good for riding i think you just havent rided 4 stroke
@@marlonshkaaa1601 you cant go out and just say 4 strokes are more fun it all depends on the rider and what kind of riding they will be doing. ps rided is not a word
@@charliemx7228 rided who cares im not from england im a random estonian nan chill out
@@marlonshkaaa1601 im not from England either lmao
Ugri League that’s also not the point, you can’t just go say 4 stroke is more fun
I dont even have a mx or any plans of getting one, still couldnt stop watching. Great job!
Great video! Two Smokers always and forever!! Nothing beats the smell.
2 strokes have more power. Like a 125 2t races against a 250 4t. If you use the same cc a 2 stroke will easily win.
Smoke em if ya got em
I always used smokeless synthetic Yamaha lube R and never had one spec of carbon build up at all and the spark plug would look like it came from a 4 stroke street bike
I’m going to start track riding a 450cc which should I get 2stroke or 4stroke?
Please answer.
Track riding 4 stroke
But if you just want to have fun get a 2 stroke
be a lad dont be a pussy get a two stroke plus four stroke cost thousands in rebuilds and oil changes every ride and new air filter every ride and shiming the valves
So glad someone's made a course for this. I will totally get it after I get the dirt bike and clothes
Get one yet?
Just bought a 2001 KTM EXC 2 stroke as my first dirt bike and I absolutely LOVE IT
So it doesn’t matter they are good for everything
Yeah, we can’t get rid of them forever! They just won’t go away! And neither will these kinds of comparisons vids.
Doesn’t matter what we do, in 100 years, they’ll still be telling us all about 4 strokes VS 2 stroke bikes.
We just can’t stop stupid.
all the 2 stroke fanboys in the comments:
2 strokes are better than 4 strokes
me: he literally just discussed this minutes ago they are both equal
Jesus Christ loves you so much!!
He does ❤❤❤
I rode a 2 stroke for the first time today after being on a 4 stroke man it’s so much fun
I love the two strokes !!! I have a Yamaha dt200r 1993 in CR is my life!! 💓 from there i love the offroad!!
your ears are glowing.
Jesus?
I feel like modern two strokes have more linear like 4 strokes
And one more thing you forgot to mention, if it ain't smokin it's broken.
Bro, you are the man.
Every video is 100% top shelf, you are extremely smart without being arrogant.
You give every consideration without bias, and have valid points.
Keep up the great work my man , you are by far the best on You Tube for dirt bike knowledge
I used to prefer 4 stroke cos I didn't like 2 stroke sound but now I really love the sound of boths
Carmel, Stewart, Reed as well as myself am faster on a 2-stroke you just have to go wide open.
Lol yes
I prefer 4stroke Sound:)
4 stroke and Lgbqt both seemed to start and surge right at the same time.
2 strokes are what chuck norris rides!
Best comment lol
4 strokes are the man buns of dirt bikes
Well stated and professionally presented from someone (and his family) who own several bikes and ride ALOT.
#12 Sound: Four strokes have higher decibel levels and sound like a purring tiger (your neighbors will be annoyed). Two strokes have lower decibel levels and sound like the banshee/bain si spirit of Irish folklore known for it's keening or shrieking (your neighbors will hate you).