It must be incredibly draining to play such a long game, I can't imagine keeping up with everything for such a long time. Great cast Lowko! A fitting game for the classic intro!
One of the better matches I've watched this year, being completely honest. Sure, I love the rapid fire of armies going down and being replaced constantly, but this felt more like a strategy game than the usual (guess the S in RTS finally came around). By the last 30~40 minutes of the match (basically, more than half the match, haha) the game was about playing smart. Hit and run, save your units, be conservative. And Spirit played that to a T.
You noted that Spirit missed some minerals, and even some gas, but what I don't get is why Reynor stopped mining the minerals that were right next to his army for a big chunk of the lategame standoff. He just had six drones clumped up inbetween those two remaining mineral fields and the nearest hatchery for several minutes.
@@3d_win If that was the overriding goal it may have been more effective to kill all his own buildings outside of his main base, then retreat into his main base, the narrow ramp may have improved his odds of avoiding casualties until the timer timed out. And may have prevented Spirit from being able to leverage his advantage to cleanly win an army fight. Though I do acknowledge that that's not really an intuitive conclusion to come to, and maybe would have provoked any referees.
Maybe, just my thinking, in reynor's mind, those minerals would gave him nothing, the few extra basic units that those mineral could have produce, will achieve nothing vs Spirit's army or base
@@failiuredoofus There's 0 chance of managing 0 casualties. A ghost has just to move forward, and zerg couldn't stop it as it's trying to ... not do any casualties ?? The draw thingie is only good for ending a game where terran put his buildings in the air without having any army left while the opponent only has ground army
im gonna be completely honest with u bro - i dunno jacksht about sc2 but every morning i put on a video and i listen to u talk while i sip on my coffee LOL
This is the perfect example of why this game is dying. I legit see Spirits strat 7 times out of 10 on ladder vs every Terran I face. No one ever thinks of the noobs laddering being the people that watch this game. Its no wonder sc2 viewership is dropping.
Reynor: whats the plan Spirit: i'm winning Reynor: alright Reynor complainging about the game, also doing nothing, relaying exclusively on Spirit to make a mistake. Would like to see Spirit saying something like "told you, i'm winning" everytime he snipes a unit
Yes because reynor was not in the position to do anything. For him winning wasnt an Option anymore it was just not losing and hoping for a mistake. He had no chance to engage without a nearly 100% chance of losing
@@MrZiva82 no you dont do that, if you don’t have any real chance to win you type GG. Reynor had a high chance to win if terran messed up the engagement, it’s all about the ghosts. That is exactly the problem there. You can’t win with your own engagement, you only can win if the terran is messing up his engagement, so that means you have to wait and hope for a mistake or you leave with a full supply of a high tech army and a running eco. And if you agreeing on that you agree to „play the game as long as your opponent build army composition XY, and as soon as he achieved that, leave the game“. Sounds stupid, doesn’t it?
I remember that 3 hour long game. It was crazy, and somehow the map was not mined out. The casters were so bored they spent 15 minutes talking about ordering a pizza for anyone who posted in chat and guessed the exact duration of the game, to the second.
When you said “Ghost Transition” immediately followed by doing it in Sabaton “Ghost Division” voice don’t worry, that’s exactly what I did too when you said it first 🤣
did spirit even need to bother cloaking the ghosts on their sniping missions when there was an overseer and spores present? saving their energy would have allowed an even higher frequency of snipes
Better safe than sorry I guess. Sometimes it did feel like it was just wasting energy, but since he was coming from the bottom of a ramp against spores (high field of vision), better avoid the Broods sniping all the way from Brazil. (Seriously, what the hell is the range on that unit. Everything about it ticks me.)
@@hitlord Thors can hit Broods from Antartica. Broods are already severely nerfed from the BL winfestor days. A true nerf. Not like the "nerf" of ghosts that didn't actually do anything.
22:56 "30 Ghosts" I dont wanna "reeeeee Imba" but honestly, this shouldnt be possible. Ghosts are spellcasters and should support the army and not be the core. You dont see any other spellcaster becomes the main part of the army. In my opinion the Ghosts supply worth should be increased from 2 to 3. Additionaly, maybe a weaknes? They are tagged as biological and psyonic. With their 100hp it takes 7 banelings to take one out, nothing really counters them, also not zerglings since Ghosts have bonus dmg to light units. They should be tagged with light too and remove bonus dmg against light. Just my 2 cents, if anyone wants to discuss this, I´m open. Anyway, awesome game and cast as usual!
Its simply a bad design to put too much power on a single unit. But we have the same problem with the Queen in the early game. And the issue with both units are, if you nerf them hard, how you gonna replace them? Would you be okay if EMP before moved to the Raven instead? And then buff the Libs/Tanks so that they can make up the damage output from Snipe? Increasing supply just doesnt make sense, unless you want to do the same thing to the Queen. And its not like you see 30 Ghost marching on creep, sniping down everything and win the game by themselves. What make the Ghost so good is the defensive set up from Terran that make it next to impossible to catch up unless you completely overwhelm the position, or get some great fungal shot. What bring on the Ghost full power has been the turtling style that Terran using more and more efficient.
@@tigera6 well the difference with the queen and ghost is, that the queen is a defensive spellcaster with 2 out 3 spells for the makro. The queen is strong in the early game and she has to be because its the only thing that can actually defend and its not like zergs are unkillable with queens in the early game, also queens and ghosts dont usually interact in the early game so I dont see why the queen needs to be nerfed too when the ghost gets nerfed? Also it doesnt make sense to produce 30 queens while 30 ghosts are a thing and when you have so much of them, terrans start sniping zerg like banelings. Well I didnt say that they snipe alone without any support everything away but they should be a support unit. increasing the supply will automatically decrease the number of ghosts on the field and make them more of a support unit.
@@BestPrezz The current meta has Queen defending against everything in early game push, until Terran can has enough unit to out-damage them. They are literally unkillable because of the amount of health and healing they can have. Couple that with a group of cheap Zerling and you can defend against almost everything from Terran in early game. Tell me which unit early from Terran that Queen cant defend? But there is nothing you can do about it balance-wise, because you dont have a reliable defensive unit other than Queen in early Zerg game. The same thing with Ghost, where you cant find the alternative to replace them in the current meta. If you want to remove Snipe, then you need to replace that with a reliable, mobile damage dealer against the speed unit of Zerg. Tanks and Libs are great defensively but susceptible to surrounded and spellcaster from Zerg, because they are extrememly immobile. If you nerf Ghost, then you need to give Terran something else to make up for it, would you want to give Raven more power? Make Anti-Armor missle become the old Heat Seeker Missile again? Or make Banshee something more useful than just die straight up to Queen/Hydra? Dont just say nerf a unit just because you think its OP, try to think why it has to be that way and if you nerf it, whats the alternative to promote the discussion.
@@tigera6 yeah i agree that the queen is an allrounder but as I said, you can kill a zerg in the early game, the queen is not unkillable or overpowered in my opinon. I never said to remove the snipe? Just that its ridiculous to see 30 ghosts walking around like marines. I also never said that ghosts are OP, and how it is now is not a must have, terrans can also win with less ghosts its just more comfortable with more since ghosts counter everything of the zerg and protos.
@@tigera6 remember 15+ infestor? it was called "bad design". interesting.... what did zerg get as compensation for IT? Microbial Shroud.... + no dmg buff for any unit. just remove snip and give a support spell.
Do you have consider casting an Age of Empires 4 game? Beasty, marinelord, demuslim, Themista. There are many playing it. I know it's way different than SC.
Mutas are good at keeping terran "honest" so to speak. Terran static defense is actually static, so it become less useful as SCVs are moved to another base, while zerg can just uproot theirs and move them to more important location, so more time than not some marines will have to stay behind just couse mutas could decide to come by...
I think it's a bit underestimating Raynor, since he was in the final of next World Championship and was just 1 game of (including insead head to head final) doing what only Serral did.
Reynor hasnt been back to that beasty form since that IEM from last year. Yeah he showed up here and there at some tournament, but he has not lived up to the same expectation as being a world champion/finalist for while already. To be quite frankly, I dont think Reynor is even in top 10 of favorite player to win the coming ESL Summer.
51:08 That poor queen, tored apart by her own kids
Torn*
In the grim darkness of the extreme late game, there are only spellcasters and lowko-scan.wav
I lost it when lowko started doing that... "tehlellele tehellel tehellelle. thats the sound of the scan right ober dere" hahaha
Great game. I built a full none Ikea baby crib while watching and I was done before the game ended
It must be incredibly draining to play such a long game, I can't imagine keeping up with everything for such a long time. Great cast Lowko! A fitting game for the classic intro!
this game single handledly broke my sleep schedule and the casters brains watching live
The tension was immense! I love these long ones.
That what she said
When you see new Lowko vid and its 1:15h. You know its gonna be good
Another beautiful morning intro! You're the best lowko!
One of the better matches I've watched this year, being completely honest.
Sure, I love the rapid fire of armies going down and being replaced constantly, but this felt more like a strategy game than the usual (guess the S in RTS finally came around). By the last 30~40 minutes of the match (basically, more than half the match, haha) the game was about playing smart. Hit and run, save your units, be conservative. And Spirit played that to a T.
You noted that Spirit missed some minerals, and even some gas, but what I don't get is why Reynor stopped mining the minerals that were right next to his army for a big chunk of the lategame standoff. He just had six drones clumped up inbetween those two remaining mineral fields and the nearest hatchery for several minutes.
I think he was trying to let the game come to a draw, becayse I'm fairly certain harvesting minerals resets the draw timer.
@@3d_win If that was the overriding goal it may have been more effective to kill all his own buildings outside of his main base, then retreat into his main base, the narrow ramp may have improved his odds of avoiding casualties until the timer timed out. And may have prevented Spirit from being able to leverage his advantage to cleanly win an army fight. Though I do acknowledge that that's not really an intuitive conclusion to come to, and maybe would have provoked any referees.
Maybe, just my thinking, in reynor's mind, those minerals would gave him nothing, the few extra basic units that those mineral could have produce, will achieve nothing vs Spirit's army or base
@@failiuredoofus There's 0 chance of managing 0 casualties. A ghost has just to move forward, and zerg couldn't stop it as it's trying to ... not do any casualties ?? The draw thingie is only good for ending a game where terran put his buildings in the air without having any army left while the opponent only has ground army
It's to avoid a draw, if it came to that.
No kills for 5 minutes? No problem! Mine 5 minerals.
Rinse, Repeat, to avoid an Auto-Draw.
He did it again 😁 talk about the best way to start my week
LOWKO! I stayed and watched the whole cast. I really enjoy your commentary. Keep up the great content!
Lowko is BACKKKKK FINALLYYYYYY
That sound at 57:28 caught me off guard like a man on a beach when the tsunami comes
Yes! The classic intro!
Hellooo a free one 😎
now the classic outro. BYEOI!
OMG GUYS HE DID THE THING!! WOO
Can't believe i sat here for a hour straight thinking "something interesting will happen" what a fool i was
Reynor left more salty than the ocean
What an awesome match, thanks for the casting. Makes it fun.
It's been a long time since I've heard "Hello everyone, my name is Lowko!"
I was watching Reynors video and I heard him complaining about this round 😂
The thing! He did the THING!!!
im gonna be completely honest with u bro - i dunno jacksht about sc2 but every morning i put on a video and i listen to u talk while i sip on my coffee LOL
He did it! He did the intro!!
Instant like for the intro.
This is a perfect example of why I watch at 2x speed.
This is the perfect example of why this game is dying. I legit see Spirits strat 7 times out of 10 on ladder vs every Terran I face. No one ever thinks of the noobs laddering being the people that watch this game. Its no wonder sc2 viewership is dropping.
@@Konranjyoutai turtling is not the same as going to a super late game
you missin out.
I blame the Brood Lords. Similar to when it comes to the Protoss Carriers xD
@@G00dN1ghT If you are going mech/ghost, it is the same thing. I play in Masters/GM, it isn't like Im playing gold leaguers.
🎉🎉🎉 When you see a new lowko video and he does the classic intro!
He said the thing going to be a great episode. 0:41
I have a confession, I'm one of the scumbags that LOVES spirits style this game. If I could play all my games like this I would
27:40 yep, Mutalisks in SC1 were morphed into Guardians (Brood Lords in SC2) or Devourer (Corruptors in SC2).
I enjoyed every minute till the end
They went nuts at the 28:00 mark !!
The more Lowko the better!!!
Great video as always lowko, keep being you and supporting sc2
Thank God we didn't get blue balled! The tension, THE TENSION!!
Reynor: whats the plan
Spirit: i'm winning
Reynor: alright
Reynor complainging about the game, also doing nothing, relaying exclusively on Spirit to make a mistake.
Would like to see Spirit saying something like "told you, i'm winning" everytime he snipes a unit
Exactly! Have to agree here.
Yes because reynor was not in the position to do anything. For him winning wasnt an Option anymore it was just not losing and hoping for a mistake. He had no chance to engage without a nearly 100% chance of losing
@@st4ndby that is when you type GG and congrats to the opposing player
@@MrZiva82 no you dont do that, if you don’t have any real chance to win you type GG. Reynor had a high chance to win if terran messed up the engagement, it’s all about the ghosts. That is exactly the problem there. You can’t win with your own engagement, you only can win if the terran is messing up his engagement, so that means you have to wait and hope for a mistake or you leave with a full supply of a high tech army and a running eco. And if you agreeing on that you agree to „play the game as long as your opponent build army composition XY, and as soon as he achieved that, leave the game“. Sounds stupid, doesn’t it?
Congrats for the video!
I'm pretty sure Dark would feel totally comfortable playing this type of game : - D
I remember that 3 hour long game. It was crazy, and somehow the map was not mined out. The casters were so bored they spent 15 minutes talking about ordering a pizza for anyone who posted in chat and guessed the exact duration of the game, to the second.
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Watch the whole thing and not fast forward. Good long game. Long live the Terran Empire. :)
Play around with the classic intro be like "Helloooo everyyoonneee" and then subvert out expectations for an easy gag
"..that's a lot of juice right there..." Lowko 48:08
Took a break and tuned back in at 57:26 was very surprised by the sound xD
Watched the whole thing without fast forwarding XD but had to pause twice :)
When you said “Ghost Transition” immediately followed by doing it in Sabaton “Ghost Division” voice don’t worry, that’s exactly what I did too when you said it first 🤣
that was fantastic
Last 20 min of the video were hard to watch but great game to watch
did spirit even need to bother cloaking the ghosts on their sniping missions when there was an overseer and spores present? saving their energy would have allowed an even higher frequency of snipes
for those that were out of wight of dection it prevented the brood from killing the goasts
Better safe than sorry I guess. Sometimes it did feel like it was just wasting energy, but since he was coming from the bottom of a ramp against spores (high field of vision), better avoid the Broods sniping all the way from Brazil. (Seriously, what the hell is the range on that unit. Everything about it ticks me.)
@@PirateofAE2 The goasts.... I mean....... that's the closest I've seen to a phonetic spelling I guess.
@@hitlord Thors can hit Broods from Antartica. Broods are already severely nerfed from the BL winfestor days. A true nerf. Not like the "nerf" of ghosts that didn't actually do anything.
@@hitlord so 10 Range is to much for a Siege Unit? LOL.
But Tanks, Thors and Range of Ghost abilitys is ok for you?
22:56 "30 Ghosts"
I dont wanna "reeeeee Imba" but honestly, this shouldnt be possible. Ghosts are spellcasters and should support the army and not be the core. You dont see any other spellcaster becomes the main part of the army.
In my opinion the Ghosts supply worth should be increased from 2 to 3. Additionaly, maybe a weaknes? They are tagged as biological and psyonic. With their 100hp it takes 7 banelings to take one out, nothing really counters them, also not zerglings since Ghosts have bonus dmg to light units. They should be tagged with light too and remove bonus dmg against light.
Just my 2 cents, if anyone wants to discuss this, I´m open. Anyway, awesome game and cast as usual!
Its simply a bad design to put too much power on a single unit. But we have the same problem with the Queen in the early game. And the issue with both units are, if you nerf them hard, how you gonna replace them? Would you be okay if EMP before moved to the Raven instead? And then buff the Libs/Tanks so that they can make up the damage output from Snipe? Increasing supply just doesnt make sense, unless you want to do the same thing to the Queen.
And its not like you see 30 Ghost marching on creep, sniping down everything and win the game by themselves. What make the Ghost so good is the defensive set up from Terran that make it next to impossible to catch up unless you completely overwhelm the position, or get some great fungal shot. What bring on the Ghost full power has been the turtling style that Terran using more and more efficient.
@@tigera6 well the difference with the queen and ghost is, that the queen is a defensive spellcaster with 2 out 3 spells for the makro. The queen is strong in the early game and she has to be because its the only thing that can actually defend and its not like zergs are unkillable with queens in the early game, also queens and ghosts dont usually interact in the early game so I dont see why the queen needs to be nerfed too when the ghost gets nerfed? Also it doesnt make sense to produce 30 queens while 30 ghosts are a thing and when you have so much of them, terrans start sniping zerg like banelings. Well I didnt say that they snipe alone without any support everything away but they should be a support unit. increasing the supply will automatically decrease the number of ghosts on the field and make them more of a support unit.
@@BestPrezz The current meta has Queen defending against everything in early game push, until Terran can has enough unit to out-damage them. They are literally unkillable because of the amount of health and healing they can have. Couple that with a group of cheap Zerling and you can defend against almost everything from Terran in early game. Tell me which unit early from Terran that Queen cant defend? But there is nothing you can do about it balance-wise, because you dont have a reliable defensive unit other than Queen in early Zerg game.
The same thing with Ghost, where you cant find the alternative to replace them in the current meta. If you want to remove Snipe, then you need to replace that with a reliable, mobile damage dealer against the speed unit of Zerg. Tanks and Libs are great defensively but susceptible to surrounded and spellcaster from Zerg, because they are extrememly immobile. If you nerf Ghost, then you need to give Terran something else to make up for it, would you want to give Raven more power? Make Anti-Armor missle become the old Heat Seeker Missile again? Or make Banshee something more useful than just die straight up to Queen/Hydra?
Dont just say nerf a unit just because you think its OP, try to think why it has to be that way and if you nerf it, whats the alternative to promote the discussion.
@@tigera6 yeah i agree that the queen is an allrounder but as I said, you can kill a zerg in the early game, the queen is not unkillable or overpowered in my opinon.
I never said to remove the snipe? Just that its ridiculous to see 30 ghosts walking around like marines. I also never said that ghosts are OP, and how it is now is not a must have, terrans can also win with less ghosts its just more comfortable with more since ghosts counter everything of the zerg and protos.
@@tigera6 remember 15+ infestor? it was called "bad design".
interesting.... what did zerg get as compensation for IT? Microbial Shroud.... + no dmg buff for any unit.
just remove snip and give a support spell.
dat intro!❤
High Quality Content
Started watching this match in high school and just finished before graduating college.
Spirit is a Beast!!!! Wow 🎉😮
That passion of name introduction made me giggle.....
@57:28 lowko starts going loco 😅
GHOST DIVISION
[36:18] it's snake from MGS ;)
hahaha..... great intro
The only reason I wasn't skipping through the video is cause I'm multitasking
You talk about how you don't like Muta's for anybody but the best of the best. But this is Reynor.
wow the last 25 min was mind numbing but I watched it alll
wow, a hour and fifteen minute game?!
this'll be interesting
Had to turn my phone back to upright to comment...
HE DID THE THING, HE DID THE THING!!!
I literally skipped to the 1:07:55 part, when you talk about skipping to X part LMAO
I can’t believe I watched that whole video
ON A SUNDAY WHAAAAA
I had a 3v3 and I went mass carriers and Liberators killed me so fast.
Libs are splash units if you split the carriers you kill them so easy
Intro :D
@The_LowkoTv2..2 ??? Ok troll or real ?
I was robbed of my last 75 minutes and I loved it. What the...
I enjoy the stand offs
Do you have consider casting an Age of Empires 4 game? Beasty, marinelord, demuslim, Themista. There are many playing it. I know it's way different than SC.
I love this game haha
HELLOOOOO EVERYVON…
Ahhh, the best way to start a sc2 replay video
Oi Lowko think you've got a fake Lowko here
why did I watch this without skipping anything?
Reynor plays zerg like the lore zerg and I love it
Stefano vs Lucifron in 2012 was like 2 hours game
Lucifron also didn't know how to play a mined-out game :\
make sure u cast the next matchup between these two… i feel like this is a rivalry for now on
Poles like to "take it slow"
i geniunely think... that spirit is my... spirit animal. *csi: miami theme goes here*
49:45 ? why switch away? obvious big fight ...
Helloooooo Lowkooooo
Ghost Division!
Feels so good to see that many mutas
Damn bro, raynor got cyberbullied.
Yes I am I just can’t stand the early game too simple for me this is what I live for haha 1:08:06
idk why TH-cam don't recommend SC2 video to me anymore
O_O)
me who also fastforwarded the video when the stalemate began.
Every time I happen to glance at the YT timeline I always wonder how there's still a ton of time remaining in this game 😂
Mutas are good at keeping terran "honest" so to speak. Terran static defense is actually static, so it become less useful as SCVs are moved to another base, while zerg can just uproot theirs and move them to more important location, so more time than not some marines will have to stay behind just couse mutas could decide to come by...
Turtle: the game.
If you want Viking with splash damage, just don't siege your liberators, same thing right? :P
Gonna support Spirit in the upcoming IEM series - Go Poland :)
terran OP!
I think it's a bit underestimating Raynor, since he was in the final of next World Championship and was just 1 game of (including insead head to head final) doing what only Serral did.
Reynor hasnt been back to that beasty form since that IEM from last year. Yeah he showed up here and there at some tournament, but he has not lived up to the same expectation as being a world champion/finalist for while already. To be quite frankly, I dont think Reynor is even in top 10 of favorite player to win the coming ESL Summer.
Hey, Lowko I didnt use the fast forward spell....cause i didnt have enough energy...
@The_LowkoTv2..2 Oh...well that is incredible ❤:D But what should I do?
Spirits natural also had a geyser with gas
In the late game, the vipers should be consuing dead extractors FIRST! Bro.
I like it
Brood Lords are way too iffy. With the nerf that’s even more apparent
Longest Stc2 match i ever seen 😂
The 3 hour one is up on TH-cam in all its dubious glory.