12 amps from an ECU pin? eh. gotta say the nay no to that one. this shit is a bad idea. end rant. also it failure mode is dangerous as where a spring gate fails safe.
@@DieselRamcharger obviously this is not great for continuous, but peak load.. I agree with the "no current to hold position" do they open with power removed?
Why don't Turbosmart build a separate driver for these that can run from the ECU PWM signal that is normally used to drive a 4 port boost solenoid? A couple of MOSFETS controlled by a chip should be easy enough to put together. That would take the ECU current problem away.
This product already exists. It's called Fueltech Dual Power Drive. At 5:40 this product is presented. It reaches peaks of 100 amps and is controlled by the ECU. th-cam.com/video/UHmitjE103g/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/qGp1UrLsznc/w-d-xo.html
A dedicated capacitor bank/discharge unit would be good instead of drawing wholly off the electrical system. Just like a surge tank in a fuel system. And with all this add on stuff for turbos and people moving away from cast exhaust manifolds, some brackets to support T3/T4 frames in the usual 3-4 locations, with some scope of adjustability. Also, an electronic BOV/BPV would be great. The ecu could determine the optimal valve function dependant on performance parameters of the car. (Mainly for circuit/time attack use.) Things like boost setting, SOG, throttle opening %, etc etc, would influence the opening % and duration of the BOV and the % of intake charge routed through the BPV in order to keep the turbo shaft rpm at the highest possible value, the intake charge velocity through the compressor at its most optimal conditions and the intake charge pressure in the piping and cooler at its most optimal conditions. And lets not forget about the holy grail of electronically assisted turbo chargers. And not the gimmicks on eBay, like what is employed in F1 racing.
So basically a 250watt motor? I feel like this is awesome, as long as their motor can be fast enough. Although it might work (just like in most cases) in "low speeds". You would want that speed of the wastegate to open/close quickly if you where to do things like traction control (which is freaking epic!). I would like to know if their are using any failsafe also? I feel like a spring in it would be a good solution...
Serious question Given we have things like google home that are voice activated how far off would a voice activated boost controller be? I can’t imagine it would be that far fetched for an eboost being able to change from sp1 to sp3 just by saying “hey siri” type of thing even if you could connect your phone and do it that way
This product does not open with power removed. There is already a driver strong enough to power this engine. It's called Fueltech Dual Power Drive. At 5:40 am this product is presented. It reaches peaks of 100 amps and is controlled by the ECU. Fueltech's software controls the wastegate well, and it's very fast. The software monitors intake pressure and wastegate position. You set the inlet pressure you want and Fueltech dynamically controls the wastegate position. th-cam.com/video/UHmitjE103g/w-d-xo.html
@@MotiveVideo we all love the sport of going fast but you're making it into a rich man's sport and that's not how it was before. make a cheaper one you'll sell more of them and people will stop going to China for shit. that's what's wrong with America
8-12 Amps is much more achievable for a standard ECU pin to handle. Thanks for getting this info out there as there is a lot of BS flying around 👍
12 amps from an ECU pin? eh. gotta say the nay no to that one. this shit is a bad idea. end rant. also it failure mode is dangerous as where a spring gate fails safe.
@@DieselRamcharger obviously this is not great for continuous, but peak load.. I agree with the "no current to hold position" do they open with power removed?
Senior LZ in the backgroud
Great work Marty!
This is all good. Gearbox shifters yesterday was great. Hope more is coming from SEMA show
Just makes sense. Evolution baby.
ehhh so excited 😁 can't wait till these hit the shelves
Looking forward to using this product on my upcoming build!
Why don't Turbosmart build a separate driver for these that can run from the ECU PWM signal that is normally used to drive a 4 port boost solenoid? A couple of MOSFETS controlled by a chip should be easy enough to put together. That would take the ECU current problem away.
This product already exists. It's called Fueltech Dual Power Drive. At 5:40 this product is presented. It reaches peaks of 100 amps and is controlled by the ECU. th-cam.com/video/UHmitjE103g/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/qGp1UrLsznc/w-d-xo.html
When will the eIWG be available for the BW EFR IWG B2 frame size?
A dedicated capacitor bank/discharge unit would be good instead of drawing wholly off the electrical system. Just like a surge tank in a fuel system.
And with all this add on stuff for turbos and people moving away from cast exhaust manifolds, some brackets to support T3/T4 frames in the usual 3-4 locations, with some scope of adjustability.
Also, an electronic BOV/BPV would be great. The ecu could determine the optimal valve function dependant on performance parameters of the car. (Mainly for circuit/time attack use.) Things like boost setting, SOG, throttle opening %, etc etc, would influence the opening % and duration of the BOV and the % of intake charge routed through the BPV in order to keep the turbo shaft rpm at the highest possible value, the intake charge velocity through the compressor at its most optimal conditions and the intake charge pressure in the piping and cooler at its most optimal conditions.
And lets not forget about the holy grail of electronically assisted turbo chargers. And not the gimmicks on eBay, like what is employed in F1 racing.
So basically a 250watt motor? I feel like this is awesome, as long as their motor can be fast enough. Although it might work (just like in most cases) in "low speeds". You would want that speed of the wastegate to open/close quickly if you where to do things like traction control (which is freaking epic!).
I would like to know if their are using any failsafe also? I feel like a spring in it would be a good solution...
3:39 Is he saying that this waste gate will handle 80 bar of boost? That's 1160 psi of boost. Is this correct or did he mean 80 psi?
he said 80psi at 1:48, and that's exhaust back pressure not intake manifold pressure.
I really hope he meant bar because i'm running 749psi of boost on my eBay turbo and i'd like to use this wastegate in the future.
@3:46 he said it can handle 80bar.
@@HollyBoni $1200 wastegate on $100 turbo
Serious question
Given we have things like google home that are voice activated how far off would a voice activated boost controller be? I can’t imagine it would be that far fetched for an eboost being able to change from sp1 to sp3 just by saying “hey siri” type of thing even if you could connect your phone and do it that way
Oh I wish I knew about this before i put in a standard ext wg
There's still no videos of anyone actually using one yet, I need two (twin scroll) and all I here about them is that the can't react fast enough.
th-cam.com/video/qGp1UrLsznc/w-d-xo.html
This product does not open with power removed. There is already a driver strong enough to power this engine. It's called Fueltech Dual Power Drive. At 5:40 am this product is presented. It reaches peaks of 100 amps and is controlled by the ECU. Fueltech's software controls the wastegate well, and it's very fast. The software monitors intake pressure and wastegate position. You set the inlet pressure you want and Fueltech dynamically controls the wastegate position. th-cam.com/video/UHmitjE103g/w-d-xo.html
I'd like to see the price on these bad boys.
ummmm what about using 2 to trap boost in a pipe to stop lag time!?
Yes awesome technology.. but its 2020, I would of thought you had this tech many years ago
LZ dad in the back tho.
Hell yeah. 80 bar? I’ll take two. Lol
he probably ment 80 psi as he had stated earlier 80 psi back pressure on the valve face
@@joebrown9621 I meant 80psi.
Idk about this, I will stick to my springs until I see lots of data
no way in hell this is a good idea.
th-cam.com/video/qGp1UrLsznc/w-d-xo.html
they're too expensive
compared to what other electronic wastegates in the market helping dictate the price?
@@MotiveVideo $800 to $1,000 for a wastegate is ridiculous electronics that are made today are junk and a break fast as hell
@@MotiveVideo $300 for a wastegate is ridiculous
@@MotiveVideo we all love the sport of going fast but you're making it into a rich man's sport and that's not how it was before. make a cheaper one you'll sell more of them and people will stop going to China for shit. that's what's wrong with America
Why do Americans talk like they came up with this product? Maybe he's talking about the "the whole"/ Company?
He's talking about "we' as the whole Turbosmart company.
Well ya not that hard to follow lol.