The problem is everyone who owns one of these has lost thousands in resell value now. There is no way I would ever take a chance on buying one of those used.
Exactly, I don't care if they cut prices $20K. Their reliability rating has suffered tremendously over the past few years and it's just not worth risking the high amount of stress.
Your absolutely right. No one in their right mind would buy one of these third GEN Toyota tundras after this happening. I just went to the Toyota dealership to trade my 23 platinum with 9k miles & they will only give me 54k after paying 70k. I only Owned it for eight months. That’s a big loss for 8 months of ownership. I went ahead and took the loss and traded it for an older model with a 5.7. I like the one I have now but still really bummed out about my loss
@@jkonquer3853 Crate motors are coming from the same manufacturing process that caused the problem. Remember 2024 Tundras are having engine failures as well.
If Toyota simply came out, extended the warranty to 120k, and ensured subsequent failures will result in a new engine free of charge this would be a non issue. But the short block band aid and cowardly silence says it all.
Try $100,000 to $120,000 in Canada plus all the duties and extra costs involved. And there she just sits, up against a backlot fence at some boondock dealership feeling sadder than when we first heard Mel Blanc had passed away ... sniff sniff.
That’s all good that there’s gonna be a better Toyota Tundra later down the road. But that still don’t help the fact that I paid over $70,000 for a truck that’s a piece of shit and that’s supposed to be ok. If Toyota is so good about everything they should give everybody their money back that they spent on these trucks. I’m not a happy camper at all.
@Rhinopuddles44 if I can do that in a hunk of junk wrangler and liberty with 200k and not be stranded, while towing going cross country, why can't a new tundra do exactly what you mentioned?
@@Rhinopuddles44 correct but I love how people are so astonished I drive the least predictable vehicles with original powertrains and abuse them and here toyota built a legend in the past called a Hilux and now we have 2022-2024 $75,000 dollar pickups leaving people stranded while still making car payments. I only refuse to buy toyota because of a cover up that endangered millions of people in 2009-2012 when toyota claimed it was " a sticking accelerator pedal" but I was an automotive tech who was training in advanced diagnostic and I quickly summed up the root cause of issue yet people kept hush hush( that is until recently someone made a video on YT to shed light) about the issue and still continued on with the whole reliability bullcrap. I've done so much work on toyotas and in fact my dad's best friend ran a pretty successful Toyota parts recycling, auto repair and restoration business so I literally grew up on 80s toyotas but I will never consider a toyota product after that incident 15 years ago.
One thing for sure. Toyota is giving the heads up by advising the owners of the recall on the tundra. Unlike Chevrolet/GM, they are not telling the public about the transmission problems on their silverado. My respect to toyota.
@@bobcook8576 yeah while 40-60k sounds bad for transmission longevity, a new tundra engine will hardly make it to 50k. Cost of ownership is like 12 transmissions in 50k vs 1 toyota v6tt lol
Toyota issued a recall because they know they would get bodied by NHTSA and further media coverage. Their "repair" on the recall is a spit on our face.
It’s not metal shavings. The Lexus engines are built in Japan. This manufacturing problem spans multiple countries? Bullshit. The problem is a design flaw. It’s a bad design. Get out of these trucks as fast as you can while dealerships will still take them.
Yamaha does all the designing for all Toyota engines as far as I know. They stamp them Toyota but they ain't. Therein lies the problem. Just saying' I could be wrong.
Toyota should just do a life time warranty on this engine if they really think it was just manufacturing debris thing cough 😷 cough bullshit!!!! Thank you for all your information sir 🙏🏽
I have a 2022 TRD offroad and my VIN is on the list of affected vehicles. I have an occasional rough idle and the truck has stalled a few times. I have no idea if those issues are related but I sure don't have a good feeling about this. If I don't get a new engine I will be ditching that truck and buying something else and I will probably never buy another Toyota.
Tell them to appraise your vehicle and see what you can get for it on a trade. I traded my 2022 SR5 Tacoma after the rear axle recall for a 2024 Tundra Limited build on 10/23 and keeping a close eye on the oil dipstick levels. So far it has been doing good with 2500+ miles on the odometer.
I bought a 2022 Tundra...traded an incredible Dodge 3500 for it. I screwed up. Just tried today, after way too many recalls with the last two recalls being quite major, and all the dealership would offer is KBB of $40k.....total BS. I expected Toyota to pitch in something. I have owned two other first year trucks, the Ford EcoBoost AND the Titan (I think in 2005), and both did have a couple recalls, but nothing like what I have dealt with on this truck. Add to it a ton of the small plastic pieces have broken or fallen off.....
So Toyota knew there was problems in early 2022. They kept on making the trucks and selling it at high price. I'm kind of happy I sold my 22 after a month and a half. Good luck to you all.
Any bearing damage is too much bearing damage... I would want a brand new engine if my truck was involved in this recall, at the very least I would want a transferable extended warranty on the engine for 150,000 miles plus free oil and filter changes every 4,000 miles, that way they can't deny a claim for lack of proper maintenance.
@@chuckg6039 The warranty and free oil changes are for trucks with engines that for some reason do not get replaced, this will allow Toyota to monitor the situation and help ensure resale / trade-in values.
Look, Toyota’s not monitoring squat! That’s evident in their very delayed response, 2 years later, to this herculean problem they’ve created! Putting your faith and trust in Toyota at this point is delusional! Even if you’re having no problems, they’ve destroyed your resale value - ref the comment in another post about a guy who took his $70K Tundra back for trade-in & all they’d give him was $54K!
people buying tundras because you can drive them 500,000 miles so warranty for 150,000 is nothing special ... I think Hyundai has 120,000 miles warranty. And the feeling that your truck can blow its engine up at any given time is nerve wracking... Toyota has to address this issue right way! I keep thinking that I drive pos not a legendary reliable Toyota truck...
I believe I speak for many: Toyota you are on notice with how you handle this engine safety recall. Toyota has to treat the recallees as Lexus customers and provide loaners for the duration of the new engine swap (not engine rebuilds). Anything less and Toyota will loose our business period! I am beside myself thinking the powertrain isn’t rock solid as had thought, now thinking it could be a huge boat anchor if Toyota mishandles this serious recall.
Explain. They are recalling their vehicles - sounds like they are saying there was something wrong going on with the manufacture process and are owning it.
@@donaldalderman2424 10 or 20 years from now there won't be any way to prove a spun bearing was caused by factory error. This recall is so the dealership can do whatever is needed for your engine to last until the end of the warranty. After the warranty runs out, the best you can hope for is a class action settlement that makes you file a bunch of paperwork in order to get a mileage-pro-rated discount on another short block that comes with a 30 day warranty on the replacement...
Appreciate your time on this. Nice to see the facts in one concise presentation. While I drive a Tacoma and not a Tundra I am always interested in what is going on with Toyota in general. I have been with them since 2006. I simply can't get behind any other company since then. I was due for a new truck now and jumped right on the new 2024 Tacoma. While much of the truck is all new, here again, I have faith in this company and how they do things. For the Tundra owners out there I would be concerned but again, have faith they will take care of you. Unfortunately, this is a complex and costly situation. I would want an answer right away too but it is complicated. I wish the Tundra owners good luck and to have a bit more patience. Again Thanks TundraDude34 for the video.
I got rid of my 23 immediately after the recall (it was on the list) in exchange for a slightly older Tacoma. I took a loss but the experience so far was just crap: -I was promised a second key within a month and it took 7. -The gas tank can catch on fire but we'll fix it some other time -My trial membership failed after two months and they couldn't figure it out without me constantly pestering them and taking time off to sit with them... Now the engine main bearing? All this new technology leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I hope it works out better for all of you.
Nothing wrong with having an optimistic attitude, but the facts are that Toyota drop the ball and will lose loyal customers for years to come. Toyota was a reliable vehicle brand, but taking short cuts on quality and raising the price on this poor quality product will hurt them for many years. I hope one day I would feel confident enough to reconsider buying a new Tundra. For now, my new HD 2500 6.6 Gas will work.
@@TundraDude34 Yes sir. I will never sell my 2018 350 Shelby. I wish I would have purchased a 350R. My grandkids want me to give them the Shelby when I’m too old to drive. Lol, never too old to drive a Shelby.
My previous vehicle was a hd2500 gasser. Ran like a top for over 250k. Rust took her down. I wish I would’ve bought another rather than my 2023 Trd OR.
Im so glad I was able to get a '21 Platinum 5.7 right at then end of the 2021 year when all the new TTV6 trucks were hitting the lot. Im sure Toyota will do the right thing and take care of their customer base. They know how loyal we can be when we have a vehicle that we dont have to worry about breaking down randomly.
I had my ‘22 SR5 TRD Off Road in for my 30K service today at Holman Toyota. I asked my advisor if they’ve had any Tundras in for bearing failure and small block replacement. He said they’ve done none to date. I’ve had no issues and 30,200 miles in less than 2 years.
Unfortunately Toyota does not give a sh... about you and your happiness. My 2007 Limited was sent to my local Toyota dealer for the frame recall, they didn't replace it, just sprayed CRC on. I noticed the job started flaking off only weeks after it was done and revealed still completely rusty frame underneath it, which makes me also assume they do not completely clean/treat it before spraying. I've complained to the dealer as well as to the Toyota Corporate and nothing had been done. Before I had a 1995 T100 4x4 for 27 years and it never disappointed my whatsoever. These days Toyota absolutely SUCKS so please don't say loud, it will do everything to make you happy !
Where is Mike? Mike Sweers made a lot of videos when the 3rd generation came out and the press lapped it up. Feel like he needs to make a video now detailing all of the issues.
Thanks for this! I hadn't had a chance to read this report yet. My 23 Tundra ( that is apart of the recall ) went into the dealer May 23rd after stalling at 65mph, and would immediately stall at restart. I love the truck, but it's been tough getting any information from the dealership on what's going on. Just lots of questions back and forth.
@@TundraDude34 Ended up trading it in on 6/14 for a 22' GMC Sierra. Dealer still couldn't find anything wrong with it. They had me scheduled to come in and drive it with them to try and get it to die. Every time I stopped by to grab something out of it, I'd start it up. On initial start the truck had a high pitched whine to it on the lower part of the engine. Told them, told them about the recall. And I was advised to call Toyota Customer Service and open a ticket.
Toyota has been building engine for almost 80 years, why only happen on V6 twin turbo ?US made Tundra and Japan made LX600 came from 2 different manufacturing facilities, I don’t believe it is debris caused, it is more like design flaws to me.
Dude...its a design flaw pure and simple. Toyo is trying to cover thier ass. If they admit it was a design flaw they have to replace EVERY engine. This debris nonsense is them trying to get out of that nightmare scenario.
I hate to admit it, but I trust Toyota. I certainly trust them more than any other car company. I have a 22 old school Lexus GX and a 24 LX, so I’m potentially impacted. The twin turbo v6 in the lx is outstanding. Very powerful and torquey. At the end of the day, books are written about Toyota manufacturing and attention to quality. Toyota seems to issue a recall in a pro active manner while others try to avoid it. I think it’s because of Toyota’s reputation for quality that is so very important to them and they try to protect that reputation. Time will tell.
Thanks for being a voice of reason. As a multiple Toyota vehicle owner I believe in the reliability and this is why I purchased the 2024 Tundra. Inconvenience is just that, but as long as issues arise and they'll stand by the product I'll stand by Toyota.
I’m stuck in the spot of “I don’t have any issues and more than likely my tundra will be fine” and “is it worth taking a chance” . More than likely, most people who have a new Gen tundra will be fine but it’s the fact that we all paid a lot of the truck and this recall *seems* like a bigger deal. Buying any new generation vehicle is a risk, but I’ve always trusted Toyota. Kinda annoying but again, I feel like it’ll be fine ? 🤷🏽♂️
Mark, I admire your loyalty! I leased my 2024 TRD OR Limited Crewmax on May 18. I was skeptical do this as I was reading and seeing the problems people were having. But after watching one of your videos and thinking “YOU CAN’T believe everything on the internet” I went ahead with the lease. Also a little push from my wife, I got the truck. 12 days later I see the recall and my heart sank. I’m hoping my truck will be a reliable vehicle. My truck was manufactured 3/24. With that date and the current publication that came out, I may be out of the woods, time will tell.
This is exactly my concern now...I'm stuck. I can't trade it and I don't want a local kid at my dealer trying to rebuild an engine he has little experience with. This is a bad spot.
Are you kidding me the new tundra is junk. It's has to much plastic ,It looks horrible. The engine isn’t the only problem. A recall for a blown engine. You can’t admit it that from 2022 to 2024 these trucks are junk .
I wonder now, if more people will start changing their oil after the first 1,000 miles after purchasing a new vehicle. I've always had my oil changed after the first 1,000 miles and, I've been driving for 65 years. I've bought two new Toyota's in the last 3 years, a tacoma, TRD off road, and this last January, a off road premium, 4runner. With each of these vehicles, I had to literally, argue, with the Toyota service manager, to have my oil changed. The two, different managers told me, "no need to do that anymore, that's old school". I insisted anyway.
I always changed my oil at 1000 miles on a brand new vehicle and at 2500 miles for the 2nd oil change. Every 5000 miles there after. Cheap ins. I NEVER had an engine problem and all of these vehicles I drove 150,000 - 200,000 + miles before upgrading to a new truck.
There is a reason why Toyota tells new vehicle owners to drive easy and not to tow for the first 500 miles. They want the engine and transmission to "bed in" before heavy use begins. During the break in period, there must be some tiny metal fragments in the oil. Better to change the oil early the first couple of changes to get rid of any contamination.
I have a 22 tundra platinum I just the oil at the 1200mile mark right after the break and then again at 3k and let the dealership start changing the oil at 5k intervals. I’m at 24k now truck runs good smooth and quiet hope it stays that way.
As a Toyota fan boy, you sound like you are sucking up to Toyota. Just stop. I don’t think you understand what most people are feeling about the new Toyota. It is not about the new gen vehicles. It is how they are doing it. Charging $10-15k over what it should have cost, and using cheapest labor and parts resulting in below standard QC. This is the new Toyota, that old Toyota culture you remember is gone. It is about maximizing profit with lowest cost as possible at the expense of you. The reason why people are buying new Tundra is because they are discounting over $10k off msrp and people that have no clue or People like you are buying them right up. This recall is only good thing they have done so far. Now we shall see where it will end up. This is a huge reality check for Toyota and hopefully they learn from their mistakes.
He’s stating facts that Toyota will take care of these recalls. That’s why they offer a limited warranty and extended warranty. For it to be a recall, there has to be enough evidence that these are happening to several early 3rd generation Tundras and that takes time and unfortunately it has to happened to customers who own these trucks. Mr. Toyoda already apologized for some of the unethical practices they are doing back in Japan to pass inspection on some of their Toyota vehicles and I’m pretty sure they will take care of the problem. Your local dealership will take care of you like they should. Just have a civil approach to the situation.
It’s soooo annoying. So overly dramatic acting like the world is going to end. Glad you love your tundra. Test drove a 24 platinum the other day and I loved it 😊
Oh pls don't go there! No mentioning any 2024 engine issues either. Cause dual turbo issues are 'on the way' folks. Just a matter of time. pop into the garage sometime down the road and take a look at your 'BEAST' with the entire body off of her to change Turbo #2 on it. That will definitely put a smile on your face. And a big dent in your wallet or credit card. Ooops Cost? Who cares, just part of the 'new vehicle experience' Enjoy it to the fullest.
Exactly my 2011 Silverado had 75k on it when one of the lifters failed and seized my engine up called gm after finding numerous accounts of the issue they did everything short of telling me to go fuck myself. Ihave a 23 tundra platinum that as of right now is not under this recall but i still think toyota will manage this issue better than the mexican/canadian/chinese errr i mean american big three 😂😂😂
It's a safety recall only, so the hybrid models that can maintain enough power to safely pull over and stop are still affected, but not recalled. BIG PROBLEM! Recalled will probably get more benefits long term like extended warranty and engine replacements, etc...
It would be nice to see a root cause analysis from an independent 3rd party on this issue. I took delivery of my 2023 Tundra in mid-July of 2023 so maybe it's not affected. I appreciate you sharing this information and your reviews.
I just wanted to say thank you for investigating this issue Toyota is having and I agree with you when it comes to Toyota backing up their customers thank you Mark for doing this tundra dude 34 u tube page keep up the great work
My 2024 Limited was made in March 2024 so I hope mine avoids any issues. I have experienced none of the issues I keep reading about online from the internet doomsdayers. My seat hasn't cracked, my brakes don't squeal, my radio knob is intact, no squeaking from the bed, and no unexpected wind noise on the highway. I love it when people complain about the fact that it doesn't ride like a car then turn around complain that it isn't "truck-like" enough.
Same with my 08/23 build 2024 TRD Pro Tundra bought in Oct///been a perfect 8 months+ and over 6k miles so far ...best truck ever had/been solid and quiet !
Have 3 Toyota products in the garage - love ‘em all!! Have vacillated on adding a 4th b/w 2nd & 3rd gen Tundra. This pretty much sealed that decision…’21 all the way👍🏻👍🏻
I almost bought the 3rd gen, held off any I'm happy I did. Probably be 2025 or 2026 before I look again, and I'll be monitoring all of the forums/groups/reports to see if it's still occurring. I personally think this recall is just OK, but not really "Toyota standing behind their product" in a way... 1: They specifically coded this recall as a "safety recall", not just a general engine recall/failures recall. Maybe they were pushed by lawyers/govt. to do so but, its not JUST a safety issue. 2: They don't include the hybrids even though they are failing too. I think that's a little disingenuous. It's the same engine, there are documented main bearing failures in the hybrids. 3: This was Tundras best year of sales, however they still only sold 1/8th the amount of Tundras vs. say, F150s last year. Ecoboosts had similar issues in gen 1/2, they had hard lessons to learn (rods ejecting from engine).... I hope Toyota gets it turned around, in addition to these engine issues they are having a lot of fit and finish/quality issues that need resolved. I'm surprised we are on year 3 seeing the same reports from owners.
Definitely hoping this turns out the best possible way for everyone. Sales wise, I don’t think the Tundra will ever come near the big 3. Even last gen, the loyalty to the big 3 brands alone keeps them away from a Japanese company. But for Tundra year to year, it’s certainly a great year for sales. Thanks for watching man!
@@TundraDude34 Yeah they really sold well and are still selling well in 2024. I think Toyota catches more flak for this than the big 3 because people really expect more from them than GM/Ford/Ram, and for the price, they just aren't willing to accept that they are getting big 3 quality (or less). Such a bummer.
I bought a 2014 5.7 from an AG business that now has 102k miles. I will make sure to always change the oil and keep this engine safe. I only paid $13k with 89k miles and clean title. SR base model with 8’ bed Chugs gas like crazy but no issues so far. I’m just happy I didn’t pay $60k+ for a truck.
Mark, Thanks for the update. I absolutely luv my 2022 Tundra. But it sucks that all these recalls and problems still keep coming. So I hate to say it but I'm on the fence. I was one of many that tracked this truck through the rail system and learned about the process of getting one delivered. I waited 3 months for this truck and even paid a little bit over invoice. I knew that a risk would be present in the turbo's that's why I purchased the Toyota Platinum warranty but since the turbo debacle and the fuel line and now the engine. What will Toyota do? Can they make it so my truck is worthy again? Do I stay or do I go? I put down a significant amount of money down and even paid over invoice. I am committed. This is my fourth Tundra since 2000. I feel like I was let down by Toyota. I will see what July brings and re-evaluate. Thanks again for the updates.
Hey Mark, here George from Miami.......I do believe your word about Toyota want us to be happy, I owned bunch of them, the thing that really bugs me is how TOyota handle the situation from the beginning and every morning when I see my Wife 2023 Sequoia or my 24 Tundra in my drive way make me feel like I want to go back to the toilet and shit again, does not make me sleep better the matter that the Hybrids or 24 models aren't included (obvious reason because will have to stop sales immediately), is a broken relationship that still salvageable only if Toyota do the right thing FOR EVERYBODY, from now on every little problem will be exposed in all social media , still hope Toyota set an example of doing the right thing, not a block.....a crate engine and extended warranty maybe suffice but it will be far from being a NEW vehicle....Thanks Mark TD34 you raise my love for Toyota a little bit.
It’s a new model… manufacturing problems are going to happen. There’s probably 30k parts or more in a modern pickup it takes time. The 5.7 was very far from perfect when it came out.. Very Expensive Air injection pump failures widespread.
Not widespread at all. Same for the cam tower leaks and valves dropping as these were just common exceptions. The difference now is that these TTV6 motors are not naturally aspirated. For people who do truck things with their truck no one is taking a chance with these new Tundras.
People that are saying they are leaving Toyota, haven't been around Toyota long enough. They will fix this and look, they are being proactive in a voluntary recall. As well, this was a manufacturing issue that they have remedied, not a design flaw.
Good information thank you Tundra Dude. It was pretty funny to see guys with TH-cam channels who drive stellantis products bashing toyota reliability 😂 Toyota will make mistakes but they will always have their customers backs during big issues like this. Best thing you can do for any vehicle is a break in oil change at 700-1000 miles and a second at 3000 and then regular changes at 5000. It's interesting to hear whiny people complain about this when the alternative is allowing manufacturing debris to destroy your engine.
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder frame or the new non resin coated metallic bearings themselves. My theory is that the differential thermal expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Machining debris doesn't explain why the FRONT main bearings are disproportionately effected. Its the ladder frame design. Solution: maybe go back to resin coating? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate? Thoughts?
@imtheonevanhalen1557 true. but they're cylinders. different shape , different loads. maybe it's not the 2 different metals, but if the problem shows up on a 2024 we'll know the problem isn't machining debris
"All of these pickup trucks are having some kind of problem right now." What does that mean? That all Toyota pickups are having problems? That all manufacturers having pickup problems? I don't think so. GM's pickups are not having these problems. Ford's pickups are not having these problems. On another note, is this a situation where these engines either have machining debris in them or they do not? Or is it a matter of degree, because that would be huge problem since those engines wouldn't exhibit catastrophic failure but rather simply use more and more oil until they fail maybe at 20k miles or 50k miles and certainly sooner than they are intended to last. Toyota has a big problem. Nobody will take a Tundra as a trade in because they don't know if the engine is affected or not. Customers are riding around in a ticking time bomb watching for signs of the engine crapping out. You say it'll all be okay "down the road." If this is a problem that has matters of degree, this gray area will be a nightmare for everyone.
This seems like a tough one for Toyota. Seems if they don't replace the engine, they'll need to put a lifetime warranty on the engine/trans for those who bought new with this potential problem. At lease Toyota is being transparent and is ahead of the curve to make things right.
I was just about to buy a 24 Limited, but watched a video saying people are starting to see same issues with 24s but Toyota are waiting to re-call 24s as they have to sell the ones on the lots! I'm signing up for 24 XLT...and will wait until next year for a Tundra..shame..Love the Tundra...!@#$ thanks for all ya do Dude!
Also in the NHTSA documents for this issue is a provision for rental/alternative transportation reimbursement for those customers who don't feel safe driving their Tundra's until a remedy is identified. If I owned one and planned a long haul travel trailer vacation this summer, I would definitely look into it.
having listened to that and assembled many engines, this is why i always flush new engines and put my own break in oil. My wifes Audis we have bought over past 8 years, every new one had zero problems. Too risky to leave original oil post assebly especially after hearing that report of assembly issues and particles contamination
Possibly gmc denali. I've had 11 tacomas and 1 tundra. I've been a toyota guy since 1997. I just think the prices and quality have horrifically decreased. I don't trust any v6 turbo motor or v4 turbo. Too many things can go wrong with it. You did a good job explaining the recall. I know new motors and new changes will have issues, but I've seen quality decreased with toyota.
I feel like Nostradamus! I sold my 23 Tundra Platinum 2 months ago. I hated the rough ride. I felt every f'ing crack in the road. The front windows and doors rattled with bumps or even low volume radio. I averaged 17.5 MPG and I drive mostly highway. I started hearing rumblings of the engine failures. Traded it and took a hit - but I think I probably saved myself thousands. You cannot buy quality anymore. Traded for an 8 cylinder.
I’m so glad I didn’t get rid of my 2019 limited so what happens if this bearing issue slowly happens and the motor starts rapping after the warranty ur screwed i understand why the market is flooded with used ones people are dumping them
When you compare this to Chrysler who over 20 years refused to acknowledge the nearly 100% failure rate with the hemi tech in the five points 7 L, 6.4 L hemi engines. The average repair on that is at least $5000 today. With that said, another reason why I did not wait for the new truck and bought a 2021 instead. What a nightmare to deal with this.
I love my 23 tundra SR. !! I believe its out of the scope of time Toyota is looking at, but we’ll see if i get the letter. Thx for the video. And great job on the report 👍
My main beef is that the iForce MAX engines aren't included just because it's not a 'safety' problem. Even though they are the exact same engine with the same problems, since it's not a 'safety' problem, they are being ignored. And the fact that none of the 2024 models are being included in the recall, even though there's a bunch of them having this same issue is very suspect.
I know that the Titan is being discontinued, but Nissan still has its naturally aspirated V8 engine. I just wish that Toyota would have pushed back on those unreasonable government standards.
Thank you for this. It was very helpful. Still try to decide if I want to leave the brand I have supported for 45 years. My confidence is shattered. My Tundra is 2023 TRD Off-Road with almost all options, the TRD lift kit and a TRD Pro grill. I specced it to be my alternative to a TRD Pro when Dealers were charging over MSRP for the Pro. I have around 70k in it and it only has 8k miles on it. Currently, it is lighting up like a Christmas tree with warning lights. The dealer tells me is a sensor that is on backorder for three weeks. They said it is safe to drive, but now I wonder. It was manufactured in mid December so MAYBE it is ok but who knows. Even if they tell me it is ok, I will always be wondering "Is it?". When I get this sensor replaced, I am considering dumping it for another brand . I briefly considered a Tacoma but nixed it. I have just lost confidence in the brand and because of this fiasco our resell value is destroyed. Like @grandpasguitar6119 said below, I do not care about taking one for the team so there will be a better Tundra down the road. Toyota needs to make this right with each of us.
Do we know if the V35A from the LX600 was also made in AL? I was under the impression it was made entirely at the Tahara plant in Japan. It would be extremely disappointing to find out their flagship SUV with a $100k+ price tag had an engine made in the US.
This gives me greater concern that the alleged manufacturing debris may not be the actual cause of these failures. For such a problem to also occur in Tahara is tough to believe and does make me call into question if there isn't a potential engineering related issue at hand with the V35A-FTS. Granted to failure rate to date of the LX600 is much much smaller as compared to that of the Tundra, it is alarming nonetheless. Waiting to see mileage put on the GX550 to see if the problem follows this vehicle.
@@TundraDude34 It's certainly a possibility, I'm purely speculating myself. Appreciate you following this issue and providing the great content, keep up the great work!
Could absolutely be the case. Even a few around me have trouble moving them. Really depends on location. But as i stated to another viewer, these lots are back to pre covid inventory. You will see a lot of Tundras all the time
@TundraDude34 I drive by a Ford dealership on my way to work. It's packed with new trucks. I guess Ford must have a big recall on the F-150, too huh. 😂
Mark, I think you are being too positive about this issue. This gen Tundra has had a lot of quality issues (seat trim, wind noise, entertainment system issues…). Very unusual for a Toyota vehicle. This engine failure is awful. Dying in traffic is what caused them to do a recall. I do not think it was because it was the right thing to do. A short block being assembled by a tech at a dealer is not acceptable for these like new Tundra’s. All should receive complete crate motors.
In my opinion, All recalls are a big deal. The transmission recall is a software update “Toyota and Lexus dealers will update the software for the transmission at no cost to customers.”
I was considering on waiting and getting a 22 Tundra but the price and no V8 was a big negative for me so I went with a 2021 Tundra TRD Pro. Bought it new in October of 2021 for MSRP and I love it. I get complements on it all the time. I feel like I dodged a bullet.
I would anticipate an extension of the warranty on the powertrain. Lifetime or high miles. If I owned one, I would wait on the outcome. Toyota will make this right. Thanks for reading this. I probably wouldn’t have on my own. And it gives great insight! And depending on the solution, I would not hesitate to buy a used version down the road.
Wondering how many of these failures were due to the owners NOT changing the original Factory Oil after the first 1000 of break-in miles? I guess that will never be known and if that would have made any difference? What is concerning is that is a SAFETY Recall. I'm in the 'wait and see' mode.
Engine shavings sticking to the main bearings? How about unintented damaging torque introduced to the bearings due to the ladder design? Dont gun the engine either way
Thank you for making me feel a bit better about this. So much negativity out there it's refreshing to hear an educated take that isn't just hoping 3rd gens fail.
When all of this is resolved, in another six years they are going to say this engine is reliable and bulletproof. Just like it happened with the V8 and its recalls when it came out.
Mark, here Cesar from Tucson AZ. I am waiting for my 2024 GX550 anytime now, should I be worried because all this problem? The info says that it was built in April 2024. Do you think that Lexus already check these GX’S before they are shipped to dealerships?
Toyota has failed provide the public with assurances that any V35A equipped vehicles, including those to be built in the future, (e.g. the $85,000 Lexus GX550) will have durable engine bearings. Your local Lexus dealer can't provide that assurance, in writing, from corporate Toyota either. Historically, most other Toyota engines have routinely had near zero engine bearing wear after 500,000 miles.
@@verlaryder That’s exactly what my fear is, spending more than $85,000 in a car that nobody is assuring It won’t have future catastrophic problems like this bearing situation. I called Lexus corporate and that’s all they say, the GX550 is not in this recall but they don’t say we are 100% sure that it won’t have this problem. I’m really thinking in waiting before I buy this car. In the recall Toyota says we know what the problem is but we don’t have any solutions yet. very confusing. Shouldn’t they stop selling this cars and wait until they have a solution for this? How can they say the GX550 is not in this recall, did they checked the engines already installed in these cars?.
Curb your tongue, sir. We here at Toyota don't want to go to the room. Besides the #2 turbo should be dying within a couple of years and we don't want to be running away from customers with flaming torches and sickles ! lol
I worked at Toyota TMMTX in the assembly engine line and I remember seeing metal shavings and debris all around the engines when the engines went through my building process. I would constantly address this to my team leaders and all they would tell me is "it's not you problem. It didn't happen here and focus on your build process." UNBELIEVABLE... I resigned 2 months. The overwhelming majority of tmmtx workers don't care. They are selfish and only care about collecting a paycheck. I would not recommend anyone buy anything made in that plant.
Thank you for this video had to check the date of manufacture of my 2023 1794 - April only a couple months outside the window on this recall. Toyota knows its customers buy their vehicles due to its belief in its reliability. If only a few people can afford these outside of warranty they will loose lifetime customers.
@@TundraDude34 Thanks man. I do not have the hybrid version, just the stand Turbo V6 and if I understood the non hybrids had the problem with metal flakes.
I really like the look and interior of the 2022+ Tundras. Didn't expect I'd want one until I drove one. Unfortunately Im not confident im making a good purchase amidst thia recall. 😢
I have a feeling this will be expanded to the hybrids and 2024 models. There have been 2024’s and hybrids with engine failures as well as some that have had a 2nd failure. Also, some of these engine failures are happening up to 40-60k miles, that’s not a manufacturing debris issue. I think this is a mechanical issue, not a debris issue. As far as the 5.7 having issues in the first couple years. I hardly saw it when I was a Toyota tech back then. I recall the camshaft issue, but that only affected 500 or so trucks IRRC.
@@TundraDude34 it sure is. I’m sure it’ll be resolved. I’m going to be getting a new truck in about a year and I’m between the Tundra and F150. Right now I’m leaning towards the F150 currently, but there’s still time.
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The problem is everyone who owns one of these has lost thousands in resell value now. There is no way I would ever take a chance on buying one of those used.
Exactly, I don't care if they cut prices $20K. Their reliability rating has suffered tremendously over the past few years and it's just not worth risking the high amount of stress.
They won’t lose their value. The 2007 never did and it had engine failures.
The cost to fix this issue is 30k, a bit different from the 2007 issues…
Your absolutely right. No one in their right mind would buy one of these third GEN Toyota tundras after this happening. I just went to the Toyota dealership to trade my 23 platinum with 9k miles & they will only give me 54k after paying 70k. I only Owned it for eight months. That’s a big loss for 8 months of ownership. I went ahead and took the loss and traded it for an older model with a 5.7. I like the one I have now but still really bummed out about my loss
Will the 2100 and back are going to be worth a lot of money
Every original tundra owner who bought new should get a lifetime engine warranty. PERIOD!!!
Crate motor and extended warranty at least.
@@jkonquer3853 Crate motors are coming from the same manufacturing process that caused the problem. Remember 2024 Tundras are having engine failures as well.
@@bradbrown7555 Yeah, I mean once they figure it out. They also did hire 300+ employee for engine assembly plant.
That will never happen
If Toyota simply came out, extended the warranty to 120k, and ensured subsequent failures will result in a new engine free of charge this would be a non issue.
But the short block band aid and cowardly silence says it all.
70k for lemons, they should recall the price too 😂
🤣🤣🤣
You are forbidden to talk about this! WE tundra owners will be seen as losers
@@AntNvrtLol 🤣
Try $100,000 to $120,000 in Canada plus all the duties and extra costs involved.
And there she just sits, up against a backlot fence at some boondock dealership feeling sadder than when we first heard Mel Blanc had passed away ... sniff sniff.
That’s all good that there’s gonna be a better Toyota Tundra later down the road. But that still don’t help the fact that I paid over $70,000 for a truck that’s a piece of shit and that’s supposed to be ok. If Toyota is so good about everything they should give everybody their money back that they spent on these trucks. I’m not a happy camper at all.
Have you had issues with yours?
Being reluctant to rev the engine, take it too far off road, and drive 75 on the freeway with your kids in it are all issues.
@Rhinopuddles44 if I can do that in a hunk of junk wrangler and liberty with 200k and not be stranded, while towing going cross country, why can't a new tundra do exactly what you mentioned?
@@quyle9483 ?? the engines are throwing bearings at random with total loss of power.
@@Rhinopuddles44 correct but I love how people are so astonished I drive the least predictable vehicles with original powertrains and abuse them and here toyota built a legend in the past called a Hilux and now we have 2022-2024 $75,000 dollar pickups leaving people stranded while still making car payments. I only refuse to buy toyota because of a cover up that endangered millions of people in 2009-2012 when toyota claimed it was " a sticking accelerator pedal" but I was an automotive tech who was training in advanced diagnostic and I quickly summed up the root cause of issue yet people kept hush hush( that is until recently someone made a video on YT to shed light) about the issue and still continued on with the whole reliability bullcrap. I've done so much work on toyotas and in fact my dad's best friend ran a pretty successful Toyota parts recycling, auto repair and restoration business so I literally grew up on 80s toyotas but I will never consider a toyota product after that incident 15 years ago.
What's going on is Toyota is charging ridiculous prices for substandard quality vehicles.
Thankfully, the prices are starting to head south. All we need now are some decent apr deals and we may be in business
@@TundraDude340% for 36 and 2% for 48 is pretty nice
10-4 good buddy. Id love that
@TundraDude34 that's what theyre doing in Texas right now sir
I think almost every company in America is doing that right now lol
One thing for sure. Toyota is giving the heads up by advising the owners of the recall on the tundra. Unlike Chevrolet/GM, they are not telling the public about the transmission problems on their silverado. My respect to toyota.
Dude, you rebuild a trans for $4k. A $40k engine replacement is a whole different deal. A deal that could easily bankrupt someone.
@@bobcook8576 yeah while 40-60k sounds bad for transmission longevity, a new tundra engine will hardly make it to 50k. Cost of ownership is like 12 transmissions in 50k vs 1 toyota v6tt lol
@@bobcook8576 it's like 12 transmissions in 50k or 1 toyota v6tt at 50k lol
This is about Toyota…not a Chevy Silverado.
Toyota issued a recall because they know they would get bodied by NHTSA and further media coverage. Their "repair" on the recall is a spit on our face.
It’s not metal shavings. The Lexus engines are built in Japan. This manufacturing problem spans multiple countries? Bullshit. The problem is a design flaw. It’s a bad design. Get out of these trucks as fast as you can while dealerships will still take them.
Ya, I’m calling bullshit on this shavings thing too!!
Dealers are beginning to not take them
Looking for a 2021-2018 extra cab
Can’t find them and when do they are 50k pluss
Yamaha does all the designing for all Toyota engines as far as I know.
They stamp them Toyota but they ain't. Therein lies the problem.
Just saying' I could be wrong.
Toyota should just do a life time warranty on this engine if they really think it was just manufacturing debris thing cough 😷 cough bullshit!!!! Thank you for all your information sir 🙏🏽
Mine has a lifetime warranty
I have a 2022 TRD offroad and my VIN is on the list of affected vehicles. I have an occasional rough idle and the truck has stalled a few times. I have no idea if those issues are related but I sure don't have a good feeling about this. If I don't get a new engine I will be ditching that truck and buying something else and I will probably never buy another Toyota.
that sucks man sorry to hear that
I said the same thing about Dodge, Ford, and Chevy. I'm running out of trucks to buy.
Tell them to appraise your vehicle and see what you can get for it on a trade. I traded my 2022 SR5 Tacoma after the rear axle recall for a 2024 Tundra Limited build on 10/23 and keeping a close eye on the oil dipstick levels. So far it has been doing good with 2500+ miles on the odometer.
I bought a 2022 Tundra...traded an incredible Dodge 3500 for it. I screwed up. Just tried today, after way too many recalls with the last two recalls being quite major, and all the dealership would offer is KBB of $40k.....total BS. I expected Toyota to pitch in something. I have owned two other first year trucks, the Ford EcoBoost AND the Titan (I think in 2005), and both did have a couple recalls, but nothing like what I have dealt with on this truck. Add to it a ton of the small plastic pieces have broken or fallen off.....
So Toyota knew there was problems in early 2022. They kept on making the trucks and selling it at high price. I'm kind of happy I sold my 22 after a month and a half. Good luck to you all.
what do you have now?
@@JokerG16 23 ram worlock sit. 5.7. No problems so far. Less sensors. You can see the engine when you open the hood. Also I like the v8 sound😁
Any bearing damage is too much bearing damage... I would want a brand new engine if my truck was involved in this recall, at the very least I would want a transferable extended warranty on the engine for 150,000 miles plus free oil and filter changes every 4,000 miles, that way they can't deny a claim for lack of proper maintenance.
Im with ya
The warranty isn't going to help avoid possible breakdowns, safety issues, and lost resale value. And the stress of riding a time bomb.
@@chuckg6039 The warranty and free oil changes are for trucks with engines that for some reason do not get replaced, this will allow Toyota to monitor the situation and help ensure resale / trade-in values.
Look, Toyota’s not monitoring squat! That’s evident in their very delayed response, 2 years later, to this herculean problem they’ve created! Putting your faith and trust in Toyota at this point is delusional! Even if you’re having no problems, they’ve destroyed your resale value - ref the comment in another post about a guy who took his $70K Tundra back for trade-in & all they’d give him was $54K!
people buying tundras because you can drive them 500,000 miles so warranty for 150,000 is nothing special ... I think Hyundai has 120,000 miles warranty. And the feeling that your truck can blow its engine up at any given time is nerve wracking... Toyota has to address this issue right way! I keep thinking that I drive pos not a legendary reliable Toyota truck...
I believe I speak for many: Toyota you are on notice with how you handle this engine safety recall. Toyota has to treat the recallees
as Lexus customers and provide loaners for the duration of the new engine swap (not engine rebuilds). Anything less and Toyota will loose our business period! I am beside myself thinking the powertrain isn’t rock solid as had thought, now thinking it could be a huge boat anchor if Toyota mishandles this serious recall.
Wisdom! Buckle up & good luck.
Ill add that this is the equivalent of "we've investigated ourselves, and we've found nothing wrong".
Explain. They are recalling their vehicles - sounds like they are saying there was something wrong going on with the manufacture process and are owning it.
The problem is that they’re charging insane prices for these trucks that have tons of problems.
All manufacturers
Tons of problems? Where? Tundradude has had no problems. There's no widespread call for a recall. Toyota is just getting ahead of potential issues.
And the problem is they're letting other countries build their motives
@@sh_twelearnoverlandingThis is about Toyota…
@@thadlm2698When all manufacturers and so many companies are allowed to do it, it’s about much more than Toyota……
Free unlimited short blocks for everyone! until your warranty wears out, that is...
There is a recall. Warranty has nothing to do with it. You don't need a warranty if there is a recall for the problem.
You do on the “new” engine😂
@@donaldalderman2424 10 or 20 years from now there won't be any way to prove a spun bearing was caused by factory error. This recall is so the dealership can do whatever is needed for your engine to last until the end of the warranty. After the warranty runs out, the best you can hope for is a class action settlement that makes you file a bunch of paperwork in order to get a mileage-pro-rated discount on another short block that comes with a 30 day warranty on the replacement...
You do not want Toyota techs tearing down this engine. There are guys out there on their third short block.
@@donaldalderman2424 When your engine starts rod knocking 10 years from now at 120k miles, will Toyota fix it free of charge?
Appreciate your time on this. Nice to see the facts in one concise presentation. While I drive a Tacoma and not a Tundra I am always interested in what is going on with Toyota in general. I have been with them since 2006. I simply can't get behind any other company since then. I was due for a new truck now and jumped right on the new 2024 Tacoma. While much of the truck is all new, here again, I have faith in this company and how they do things. For the Tundra owners out there I would be concerned but again, have faith they will take care of you. Unfortunately, this is a complex and costly situation. I would want an answer right away too but it is complicated. I wish the Tundra owners good luck and to have a bit more patience. Again Thanks TundraDude34 for the video.
I got rid of my 23 immediately after the recall (it was on the list) in exchange for a slightly older Tacoma.
I took a loss but the experience so far was just crap:
-I was promised a second key within a month and it took 7.
-The gas tank can catch on fire but we'll fix it some other time
-My trial membership failed after two months and they couldn't figure it out without me constantly pestering them and taking time off to sit with them... Now the engine main bearing?
All this new technology leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I hope it works out better for all of you.
Nothing wrong with having an optimistic attitude, but the facts are that Toyota drop the ball and will lose loyal customers for years to come. Toyota was a reliable vehicle brand, but taking short cuts on quality and raising the price on this poor quality product will hurt them for many years. I hope one day I would feel confident enough to reconsider buying a new Tundra. For now, my new HD 2500 6.6 Gas will work.
Enjoy it! And you still have the Shelby, yes?
@@TundraDude34 Yes sir. I will never sell my 2018 350 Shelby. I wish I would have purchased a 350R. My grandkids want me to give them the Shelby when I’m too old to drive. Lol, never too old to drive a Shelby.
My previous vehicle was a hd2500 gasser. Ran like a top for over 250k. Rust took her down. I wish I would’ve bought another rather than my 2023 Trd OR.
no shade the new gen truck, but i am sooo happy i bought my v8 '21 tundra trd pro..
The 21 pro is one of the best ever, and always will be
Make sure that model has a transmission cooler. I heard some later models on 2nd gen don't have them.
@@ironrain1x thanks, i just spec'd out a kit. i didn't know toyota just deleted the cooler quietly for 19-21's. good info.
@laserhazard1130 no problem man, enjoy the truck. Toyota can be an idiot sometimes
I would still be 'whistling past the graveyard' each and every day. Just in case. Touch wood/ spit and hope-to-die stuff! lol
I am glad they issued this recall since my warranty is up. At least i am covered under the recall.
Im so glad I was able to get a '21 Platinum 5.7 right at then end of the 2021 year when all the new TTV6 trucks were hitting the lot. Im sure Toyota will do the right thing and take care of their customer base. They know how loyal we can be when we have a vehicle that we dont have to worry about breaking down randomly.
Nice choice on the 21 platinum!
@@TundraDude34 recently had a 3.5” lift/level kit installed on it along with 17” wheels and 33/12.50 KO2s.
@Ranger4321 dude send a pic! Tundradude34 at gmail dot com
@@TundraDude34 pics sent!
I had my ‘22 SR5 TRD Off Road in for my 30K service today at Holman Toyota. I asked my advisor if they’ve had any Tundras in for bearing failure and small block replacement. He said they’ve done none to date. I’ve had no issues and 30,200 miles in less than 2 years.
Holman is a great lot
They had a Platinum Lunar Rock inside the showroom….
Can they actually add some sort of additive liquid to flush anything out?
Unfortunately Toyota does not give a sh... about you and your happiness. My 2007 Limited was sent to my local Toyota dealer for the frame recall, they didn't replace it, just sprayed CRC on. I noticed the job started flaking off only weeks after it was done and revealed still completely rusty frame underneath it, which makes me also assume they do not completely clean/treat it before spraying. I've complained to the dealer as well as to the Toyota Corporate and nothing had been done. Before I had a 1995 T100 4x4 for 27 years and it never disappointed my whatsoever. These days Toyota absolutely SUCKS so please don't say loud, it will do everything to make you happy !
Where is Mike? Mike Sweers made a lot of videos when the 3rd generation came out and the press lapped it up. Feel like he needs to make a video now detailing all of the issues.
He hasn’t been Tundra chief engineer for a while now.
Thanks for this! I hadn't had a chance to read this report yet. My 23 Tundra ( that is apart of the recall ) went into the dealer May 23rd after stalling at 65mph, and would immediately stall at restart. I love the truck, but it's been tough getting any information from the dealership on what's going on. Just lots of questions back and forth.
Please keep me updated on the process
@@TundraDude34 will do
@@TundraDude34 Ended up trading it in on 6/14 for a 22' GMC Sierra. Dealer still couldn't find anything wrong with it. They had me scheduled to come in and drive it with them to try and get it to die. Every time I stopped by to grab something out of it, I'd start it up. On initial start the truck had a high pitched whine to it on the lower part of the engine. Told them, told them about the recall. And I was advised to call Toyota Customer Service and open a ticket.
Toyota has been building engine for almost 80 years, why only happen on V6 twin turbo ?US made Tundra and Japan made LX600 came from 2 different manufacturing facilities, I don’t believe it is debris caused, it is more like design flaws to me.
The cleaning process from both plants mirror each other
2024 are having same engine issues, what not included. Debris is a lame excuse, unless they offer a new crate engine.
Dude...its a design flaw pure and simple. Toyo is trying to cover thier ass. If they admit it was a design flaw they have to replace EVERY engine. This debris nonsense is them trying to get out of that nightmare scenario.
I hate to admit it, but I trust Toyota. I certainly trust them more than any other car company. I have a 22 old school Lexus GX and a 24 LX, so I’m potentially impacted. The twin turbo v6 in the lx is outstanding. Very powerful and torquey. At the end of the day, books are written about Toyota manufacturing and attention to quality. Toyota seems to issue a recall in a pro active manner while others try to avoid it. I think it’s because of Toyota’s reputation for quality that is so very important to them and they try to protect that reputation. Time will tell.
Thanks for being a voice of reason. As a multiple Toyota vehicle owner I believe in the reliability and this is why I purchased the 2024 Tundra. Inconvenience is just that, but as long as issues arise and they'll stand by the product I'll stand by Toyota.
I’m stuck in the spot of “I don’t have any issues and more than likely my tundra will be fine” and “is it worth taking a chance” . More than likely, most people who have a new Gen tundra will be fine but it’s the fact that we all paid a lot of the truck and this recall *seems* like a bigger deal. Buying any new generation vehicle is a risk, but I’ve always trusted Toyota. Kinda annoying but again, I feel like it’ll be fine ? 🤷🏽♂️
Mark, I admire your loyalty! I leased my 2024 TRD OR Limited Crewmax on May 18. I was skeptical do this as I was reading and seeing the problems people were having. But after watching one of your videos and thinking “YOU CAN’T believe everything on the internet” I went ahead with the lease. Also a little push from my wife, I got the truck. 12 days later I see the recall and my heart sank. I’m hoping my truck will be a reliable vehicle. My truck was manufactured 3/24. With that date and the current publication that came out, I may be out of the woods, time will tell.
And its a lease! That may be the answer these days
It's nice to fantasize good luck you're going to need it
Its a design flaw. Your screwed.
How can U tow a travel trailer in high summer temps on long camping trips with family and dog(s) and feel comfortable doing so??
This is exactly my concern now...I'm stuck. I can't trade it and I don't want a local kid at my dealer trying to rebuild an engine he has little experience with. This is a bad spot.
Martha!
Let's sell the camper. I have a bad feelin'
Are you kidding me the new tundra is junk. It's has to much plastic ,It looks horrible. The engine isn’t the only problem. A recall for a blown engine. You can’t admit it that from 2022 to 2024 these trucks are junk .
Exactly, junk is the best description
It just looks cheap
I love mine and would buy another. Total confidence in Toyota
Exactly ... they look ok in pictures but are quite ugly in real life.
I like the look of my 2024. As for plastic, unfortunately that is true for all manufacturers.
I like mine and I like the look and it's running great... as for the plastic- good luck getting away from plastic with any truck built in these days.
I wonder now, if more people will start changing their oil after the first 1,000 miles after purchasing a new vehicle. I've always had my oil changed after the first 1,000 miles and, I've been driving for 65 years. I've bought two new Toyota's in the last 3 years, a tacoma, TRD off road, and this last January, a off road premium, 4runner. With each of these vehicles, I had to literally, argue, with the Toyota service manager, to have my oil changed. The two, different managers told me, "no need to do that anymore, that's old school". I insisted anyway.
Personally, i will be changing oil every 5k
I always changed my oil at 1000 miles on a brand new vehicle and at 2500 miles for the 2nd oil change.
Every 5000 miles there after.
Cheap ins. I NEVER had an engine problem and all of these vehicles I drove 150,000 - 200,000 + miles before upgrading to a new truck.
There is a reason why Toyota tells new vehicle owners to drive easy and not to tow for the first 500 miles.
They want the engine and transmission to "bed in" before heavy use begins.
During the break in period, there must be some tiny metal fragments in the oil.
Better to change the oil early the first couple of changes to get rid of any contamination.
I have a 22 tundra platinum I just the oil at the 1200mile mark right after the break and then again at 3k and let the dealership start changing the oil at 5k intervals. I’m at 24k now truck runs good smooth and quiet hope it stays that way.
Same//dealer didn't want to change at 5k ...paid outta pocket and insisted !
As a Toyota fan boy, you sound like you are sucking up to Toyota. Just stop. I don’t think you understand what most people are feeling about the new Toyota. It is not about the new gen vehicles. It is how they are doing it. Charging $10-15k over what it should have cost, and using cheapest labor and parts resulting in below standard QC. This is the new Toyota, that old Toyota culture you remember is gone. It is about maximizing profit with lowest cost as possible at the expense of you. The reason why people are buying new Tundra is because they are discounting over $10k off msrp and people that have no clue or People like you are buying them right up. This recall is only good thing they have done so far. Now we shall see where it will end up. This is a huge reality check for Toyota and hopefully they learn from their mistakes.
He’s stating facts that Toyota will take care of these recalls. That’s why they offer a limited warranty and extended warranty. For it to be a recall, there has to be enough evidence that these are happening to several early 3rd generation Tundras and that takes time and unfortunately it has to happened to customers who own these trucks. Mr. Toyoda already apologized for some of the unethical practices they are doing back in Japan to pass inspection on some of their Toyota vehicles and I’m pretty sure they will take care of the problem. Your local dealership will take care of you like they should. Just have a civil approach to the situation.
Ty for the info, all the doom and gloom click bait is getting annoying. Loving my 24 lunar rock tundra. 🤘
I wont lie, this has been a rough week. I hate to see the Tundra community so divided. I couldn’t make this video until i saw the report though.
@@TundraDude34 I feel yeah, I was over here shopping for 4Runners 😂
It’s soooo annoying. So overly dramatic acting like the world is going to end. Glad you love your tundra. Test drove a 24 platinum the other day and I loved it 😊
Completely agree. All these overly dramatic videos and people freaking out and selling their trucks. Lol.
Hmmm?
so the people with the hybrids got a bad engine but no recall
This recall does not effect the hybrid engines. Just the standard engines.
Oh pls don't go there!
No mentioning any 2024 engine issues either.
Cause dual turbo issues are 'on the way' folks. Just a matter of time.
pop into the garage sometime down the road and take a look at your 'BEAST' with the entire body off of her to change Turbo #2 on it.
That will definitely put a smile on your face. And a big dent in your wallet or credit card. Ooops
Cost?
Who cares, just part of the 'new vehicle experience'
Enjoy it to the fullest.
Thank you for Being positive! I just bought a 2024 Tundra Limited v-6 twin Turbo. It's awesome. I'm on a 4500 mile trip and no issues. Thanks again
Yea they could be like GM and act like the AFM problems and many others do not exist and not recall it
Exactly my 2011 Silverado had 75k on it when one of the lifters failed and seized my engine up called gm after finding numerous accounts of the issue they did everything short of telling me to go fuck myself. Ihave a 23 tundra platinum that as of right now is not under this recall but i still think toyota will manage this issue better than the mexican/canadian/chinese errr i mean american big three 😂😂😂
"flog 'em like a dead mule" Let the next guy change that bad #2 turbo. lol
It's a safety recall only, so the hybrid models that can maintain enough power to safely pull over and stop are still affected, but not recalled. BIG PROBLEM! Recalled will probably get more benefits long term like extended warranty and engine replacements, etc...
It would be nice to see a root cause analysis from an independent 3rd party on this issue. I took delivery of my 2023 Tundra in mid-July of 2023 so maybe it's not affected. I appreciate you sharing this information and your reviews.
I took delivery in early April 2023. Im right on the edge but not listed in the recall
I just wanted to say thank you for investigating this issue Toyota is having and I agree with you when it comes to Toyota backing up their customers thank you Mark for doing this tundra dude 34 u tube page keep up the great work
I have the 2023 SR5 built in June 2023. Bought it July 2023. 16,000 with 5000 miles oil change interval. Running great.
I'm curious how many engine failures have been documented outside these manufacturing dates. Late 23 and 24 models...
And some of the 24s were actually built in 23 like mine I picked up in November 23. 9/23
Toyota identified the batches. They track everything. The hybrid isn't built on the same line either.
My 2024 Limited was made in March 2024 so I hope mine avoids any issues. I have experienced none of the issues I keep reading about online from the internet doomsdayers. My seat hasn't cracked, my brakes don't squeal, my radio knob is intact, no squeaking from the bed, and no unexpected wind noise on the highway.
I love it when people complain about the fact that it doesn't ride like a car then turn around complain that it isn't "truck-like" enough.
Same with my 08/23 build 2024 TRD Pro Tundra bought in Oct///been a perfect 8 months+ and over 6k miles so far ...best truck ever had/been solid and quiet !
What’s the difference between a “field service report” and a “warranty claim?” Do both those items mean there was a reported failure?
Have 3 Toyota products in the garage - love ‘em all!! Have vacillated on adding a 4th b/w 2nd & 3rd gen Tundra. This pretty much sealed that decision…’21 all the way👍🏻👍🏻
I almost bought the 3rd gen, held off any I'm happy I did. Probably be 2025 or 2026 before I look again, and I'll be monitoring all of the forums/groups/reports to see if it's still occurring. I personally think this recall is just OK, but not really "Toyota standing behind their product" in a way...
1: They specifically coded this recall as a "safety recall", not just a general engine recall/failures recall. Maybe they were pushed by lawyers/govt. to do so but, its not JUST a safety issue.
2: They don't include the hybrids even though they are failing too. I think that's a little disingenuous. It's the same engine, there are documented main bearing failures in the hybrids.
3: This was Tundras best year of sales, however they still only sold 1/8th the amount of Tundras vs. say, F150s last year.
Ecoboosts had similar issues in gen 1/2, they had hard lessons to learn (rods ejecting from engine)....
I hope Toyota gets it turned around, in addition to these engine issues they are having a lot of fit and finish/quality issues that need resolved. I'm surprised we are on year 3 seeing the same reports from owners.
Definitely hoping this turns out the best possible way for everyone.
Sales wise, I don’t think the Tundra will ever come near the big 3. Even last gen, the loyalty to the big 3 brands alone keeps them away from a Japanese company. But for Tundra year to year, it’s certainly a great year for sales.
Thanks for watching man!
@@TundraDude34 Yeah they really sold well and are still selling well in 2024. I think Toyota catches more flak for this than the big 3 because people really expect more from them than GM/Ford/Ram, and for the price, they just aren't willing to accept that they are getting big 3 quality (or less). Such a bummer.
I bought a 2014 5.7 from an AG business that now has 102k miles. I will make sure to always change the oil and keep this engine safe. I only paid $13k with 89k miles and clean title.
SR base model with 8’ bed
Chugs gas like crazy but no issues so far. I’m just happy I didn’t pay $60k+ for a truck.
Mark, Thanks for the update. I absolutely luv my 2022 Tundra. But it sucks that all these recalls and problems still keep coming. So I hate to say it but I'm on the fence. I was one of many that tracked this truck through the rail system and learned about the process of getting one delivered. I waited 3 months for this truck and even paid a little bit over invoice. I knew that a risk would be present in the turbo's that's why I purchased the Toyota Platinum warranty but since the turbo debacle and the fuel line and now the engine. What will Toyota do? Can they make it so my truck is worthy again? Do I stay or do I go? I put down a significant amount of money down and even paid over invoice. I am committed. This is my fourth Tundra since 2000. I feel like I was let down by Toyota. I will see what July brings and re-evaluate. Thanks again for the updates.
I think the answer is to wait for the remedy and go from there 👍🏼
Hey Mark, here George from Miami.......I do believe your word about Toyota want us to be happy, I owned bunch of them, the thing that really bugs me is how TOyota handle the situation from the beginning and every morning when I see my Wife 2023 Sequoia or my 24 Tundra in my drive way make me feel like I want to go back to the toilet and shit again, does not make me sleep better the matter that the Hybrids or 24 models aren't included (obvious reason because will have to stop sales immediately), is a broken relationship that still salvageable only if Toyota do the right thing FOR EVERYBODY, from now on every little problem will be exposed in all social media , still hope Toyota set an example of doing the right thing, not a block.....a crate engine and extended warranty maybe suffice but it will be far from being a NEW vehicle....Thanks Mark TD34 you raise my love for Toyota a little bit.
I certainly only would want a crate engine that is not that model.
It’s a new model… manufacturing problems are going to happen. There’s probably 30k parts or more in a modern pickup it takes time. The 5.7 was very far from perfect when it came out.. Very Expensive Air injection pump failures widespread.
Not widespread at all. Same for the cam tower leaks and valves dropping as these were just common exceptions. The difference now is that these TTV6 motors are not naturally aspirated. For people who do truck things with their truck no one is taking a chance with these new Tundras.
Should have not messed with a new engine plain and simple.
@@mikehughes8023nah.
@@mikehughes8023lol turbochargers have nothing to do with it
Ford and Gm offer multiple engine choices. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
People that are saying they are leaving Toyota, haven't been around Toyota long enough. They will fix this and look, they are being proactive in a voluntary recall. As well, this was a manufacturing issue that they have remedied, not a design flaw.
Good information thank you Tundra Dude. It was pretty funny to see guys with TH-cam channels who drive stellantis products bashing toyota reliability 😂
Toyota will make mistakes but they will always have their customers backs during big issues like this. Best thing you can do for any vehicle is a break in oil change at 700-1000 miles and a second at 3000 and then regular changes at 5000. It's interesting to hear whiny people complain about this when the alternative is allowing manufacturing debris to destroy your engine.
My theory is that it has to do with the cast iron bearing caps embedded in the aluminum ladder frame or the new non resin coated metallic bearings themselves. My theory is that the differential thermal expansion of aluminum vs iron is causing the bearing caps to "move" out of tolerance. It starts with just a little play, but that increases over time (just like a small leak always increases over time). Machining debris doesn't explain why the FRONT main bearings are disproportionately effected. Its the ladder frame design. Solution: maybe go back to resin coating? Maybe lose the cast iron caps - stick with 1 material with 1 thermal expansion rate? Thoughts?
Whatever it takes, and quick 😁
Ever seen cast iron cylinder liners in an aluminum engine block?........been around for a while.
@imtheonevanhalen1557 true. but they're cylinders. different shape , different loads. maybe it's not the 2 different metals, but if the problem shows up on a 2024 we'll know the problem isn't machining debris
Mark excellent video. Thank you for going over in detail this information. I agree with you 100% !
"All of these pickup trucks are having some kind of problem right now." What does that mean? That all Toyota pickups are having problems? That all manufacturers having pickup problems? I don't think so. GM's pickups are not having these problems. Ford's pickups are not having these problems. On another note, is this a situation where these engines either have machining debris in them or they do not? Or is it a matter of degree, because that would be huge problem since those engines wouldn't exhibit catastrophic failure but rather simply use more and more oil until they fail maybe at 20k miles or 50k miles and certainly sooner than they are intended to last. Toyota has a big problem. Nobody will take a Tundra as a trade in because they don't know if the engine is affected or not. Customers are riding around in a ticking time bomb watching for signs of the engine crapping out. You say it'll all be okay "down the road." If this is a problem that has matters of degree, this gray area will be a nightmare for everyone.
Damn .... there's some very low milage used 3rd gen Tundra's in Las Vegas for very low $40k. on car gurus.
I got a nice one for $42k, I love it, hopefully Toyota gives me a new motor from this recall
This seems like a tough one for Toyota. Seems if they don't replace the engine, they'll need to put a lifetime warranty on the engine/trans for those who bought new with this potential problem. At lease Toyota is being transparent and is ahead of the curve to make things right.
I was just about to buy a 24 Limited, but watched a video saying people are starting to see same issues with 24s but Toyota are waiting to re-call 24s as they have to sell the ones on the lots!
I'm signing up for 24 XLT...and will wait until next year for a Tundra..shame..Love the Tundra...!@#$ thanks for all ya do Dude!
I believe Toyota will make me hole in the long run. I love my new truck it’s been very reliable.
As a new owner of a 2024 Tundra, I’m worried but I’ve got faith in Toyota. It’s a new engine of course there’s going to be growing pains.
I don't want that pain.
Yeah and you're the guinea pig
Unfortunately the solution is to redesign this underengineered disaster.
@@quyle9483 That's the best and only solution.
Hell No, enjoy riding in that ticking time bomb..
Also in the NHTSA documents for this issue is a provision for rental/alternative transportation reimbursement for those customers who don't feel safe driving their Tundra's until a remedy is identified.
If I owned one and planned a long haul travel trailer vacation this summer, I would definitely look into it.
having listened to that and assembled many engines, this is why i always flush new engines and put my own break in oil. My wifes Audis we have bought over past 8 years, every new one had zero problems. Too risky to leave original oil post assebly especially after hearing that report of assembly issues and particles contamination
Possibly gmc denali. I've had 11 tacomas and 1 tundra. I've been a toyota guy since 1997. I just think the prices and quality have horrifically decreased. I don't trust any v6 turbo motor or v4 turbo. Too many things can go wrong with it. You did a good job explaining the recall. I know new motors and new changes will have issues, but I've seen quality decreased with toyota.
I guessed GM for you because of your Gordon profile pic 🤣. Who’s your driver nowadays?
I feel like Nostradamus! I sold my 23 Tundra Platinum 2 months ago. I hated the rough ride. I felt every f'ing crack in the road. The front windows and doors rattled with bumps or even low volume radio. I averaged 17.5 MPG and I drive mostly highway. I started hearing rumblings of the engine failures. Traded it and took a hit - but I think I probably saved myself thousands. You cannot buy quality anymore. Traded for an 8 cylinder.
Since you are Nostradamus, when is that lottery coming my way 😁
I have 2024 Tundra Platinum and it has very smooth ride ,I don’t think you own any Platinum .
I had heard about these issues, and because of these issues I decided to lease instead of buying recently. So glad I did.
So this would explain my Jan 2023 (non Hybrid)is not included. The change was made already and being monitored
I’m so glad I didn’t get rid of my 2019 limited so what happens if this bearing issue slowly happens and the motor starts rapping after the warranty ur screwed i understand why the market is flooded with used ones people are dumping them
When you compare this to Chrysler who over 20 years refused to acknowledge the nearly 100% failure rate with the hemi tech in the five points 7 L, 6.4 L hemi engines. The average repair on that is at least $5000 today. With that said, another reason why I did not wait for the new truck and bought a 2021 instead. What a nightmare to deal with this.
I love my 23 tundra SR. !! I believe its out of the scope of time Toyota is looking at, but we’ll see if i get the letter. Thx for the video. And great job on the report 👍
Please make more videos on all million mile 2nd gen Tundras.😊
My main beef is that the iForce MAX engines aren't included just because it's not a 'safety' problem. Even though they are the exact same engine with the same problems, since it's not a 'safety' problem, they are being ignored. And the fact that none of the 2024 models are being included in the recall, even though there's a bunch of them having this same issue is very suspect.
Wait and see game at this point. I would think there has been a lot of Pepto Bismol and Advil used in the Toyota offices
I know that the Titan is being discontinued, but Nissan still has its naturally aspirated V8 engine. I just wish that Toyota would have pushed back on those unreasonable government standards.
...and the Titan has had MANY bad engines go down --cylinder #7//will fix in 1st 100k miles then crap shoot.
Thank you for this. It was very helpful. Still try to decide if I want to leave the brand I have supported for 45 years. My confidence is shattered. My Tundra is 2023 TRD Off-Road with almost all options, the TRD lift kit and a TRD Pro grill. I specced it to be my alternative to a TRD Pro when Dealers were charging over MSRP for the Pro. I have around 70k in it and it only has 8k miles on it. Currently, it is lighting up like a Christmas tree with warning lights. The dealer tells me is a sensor that is on backorder for three weeks. They said it is safe to drive, but now I wonder. It was manufactured in mid December so MAYBE it is ok but who knows. Even if they tell me it is ok, I will always be wondering "Is it?". When I get this sensor replaced, I am considering dumping it for another brand . I briefly considered a Tacoma but nixed it. I have just lost confidence in the brand and because of this fiasco our resell value is destroyed. Like @grandpasguitar6119 said below, I do not care about taking one for the team so there will be a better Tundra down the road. Toyota needs to make this right with each of us.
Do we know if the V35A from the LX600 was also made in AL? I was under the impression it was made entirely at the Tahara plant in Japan. It would be extremely disappointing to find out their flagship SUV with a $100k+ price tag had an engine made in the US.
The LX600 is made in Japan (entirely)
This gives me greater concern that the alleged manufacturing debris may not be the actual cause of these failures. For such a problem to also occur in Tahara is tough to believe and does make me call into question if there isn't a potential engineering related issue at hand with the V35A-FTS. Granted to failure rate to date of the LX600 is much much smaller as compared to that of the Tundra, it is alarming nonetheless. Waiting to see mileage put on the GX550 to see if the problem follows this vehicle.
From what i’ve read out there, they mirror the same cleaning methods at both plants
@@TundraDude34 It's certainly a possibility, I'm purely speculating myself. Appreciate you following this issue and providing the great content, keep up the great work!
@twinturbo69camaro thanks for watching bud
I've seen the dealership near me and it's looks full of Tundra's
Could absolutely be the case. Even a few around me have trouble moving them. Really depends on location. But as i stated to another viewer, these lots are back to pre covid inventory. You will see a lot of Tundras all the time
@TundraDude34 I drive by a Ford dealership on my way to work. It's packed with new trucks. I guess Ford must have a big recall on the F-150, too huh. 😂
Whew, mine missed the recall by 10 days.
Mark, I think you are being too positive about this issue. This gen Tundra has had a lot of quality issues (seat trim, wind noise, entertainment system issues…). Very unusual for a Toyota vehicle. This engine failure is awful. Dying in traffic is what caused them to do a recall. I do not think it was because it was the right thing to do. A short block being assembled by a tech at a dealer is not acceptable for these like new Tundra’s. All should receive complete crate motors.
If its anything less then crate, consider this the pr disaster of the century.
I have a 2023 Tundra with the staying in neutral recall. Is that a big deal?
In my opinion, All recalls are a big deal. The transmission recall is a software update
“Toyota and Lexus dealers will update the software for the transmission at no cost to customers.”
I was considering on waiting and getting a 22 Tundra but the price and no V8 was a big negative for me so I went with a 2021 Tundra TRD Pro. Bought it new in October of 2021 for MSRP and I love it. I get complements on it all the time. I feel like I dodged a bullet.
I would anticipate an extension of the warranty on the powertrain. Lifetime or high miles. If I owned one, I would wait on the outcome. Toyota will make this right. Thanks for reading this. I probably wouldn’t have on my own. And it gives great insight! And depending on the solution, I would not hesitate to buy a used version down the road.
Wondering how many of these failures were due to the owners NOT changing the original Factory Oil after the first 1000 of break-in miles? I guess that will never be known and if that would have made any difference? What is concerning is that is a SAFETY Recall. I'm in the 'wait and see' mode.
Engine shavings sticking to the main bearings? How about unintented damaging torque introduced to the bearings due to the ladder design? Dont gun the engine either way
Thank you for making me feel a bit better about this. So much negativity out there it's refreshing to hear an educated take that isn't just hoping 3rd gens fail.
When all of this is resolved, in another six years they are going to say this engine is reliable and bulletproof. Just like it happened with the V8 and its recalls when it came out.
Mark, here Cesar from Tucson AZ. I am waiting for my 2024 GX550 anytime now, should I be worried because all this problem? The info says that it was built in April 2024. Do you think that Lexus already check these GX’S before they are shipped to dealerships?
The LX600 was the only Lexus part of the recall
Toyota has failed provide the public with assurances that any V35A equipped vehicles, including those to be built in the future, (e.g. the $85,000 Lexus GX550) will have durable engine bearings. Your local Lexus dealer can't provide that assurance, in writing, from corporate Toyota either. Historically, most other Toyota engines have routinely had near zero engine bearing wear after 500,000 miles.
@@verlaryder That’s exactly what my fear is, spending more than $85,000 in a car that nobody is assuring It won’t have future catastrophic problems like this bearing situation. I called Lexus corporate and that’s all they say, the GX550 is not in this recall but they don’t say we are 100% sure that it won’t have this problem. I’m really thinking in waiting before I buy this car. In the recall Toyota says we know what the problem is but we don’t have any solutions yet. very confusing. Shouldn’t they stop selling this cars and wait until they have a solution for this? How can they say the GX550 is not in this recall, did they checked the engines already installed in these cars?.
I absolutely love my 24 Tundra. Was hard to let go of my 18 4Runner, but I have never looked back, completely happy. Toyota will fix this, I am sure.
What about the 2024 models blowing up aswell?
Curb your tongue, sir.
We here at Toyota don't want to go to the room.
Besides the #2 turbo should be dying within a couple of years
and we don't want to be running away from customers with flaming torches and sickles ! lol
@@luckyguy600 lol
Minus the build date is there another way to determine if the 2024 (built in late 23) does not have this engine as stated in the document?
Looks like they are going by build dates
I worked at Toyota TMMTX in the assembly engine line and I remember seeing metal shavings and debris all around the engines when the engines went through my building process. I would constantly address this to my team leaders and all they would tell me is "it's not you problem. It didn't happen here and focus on your build process." UNBELIEVABLE... I resigned 2 months. The overwhelming majority of tmmtx workers don't care. They are selfish and only care about collecting a paycheck. I would not recommend anyone buy anything made in that plant.
I bought a 2022 Tundra used, knowing it was getting a new engine
This is my 8th toyota
I'm going to drive it until the wheels fall off
What about customers like me. I have 98,000 miles in a late 22 (October). I have NO warranty left on my truck.
If your truck is part of the recall, it’ll be fixed regardless of warranty status
@@TundraDude34 that’s good to know. Thanks
Thank you for this video had to check the date of manufacture of my 2023 1794 - April only a couple months outside the window on this recall. Toyota knows its customers buy their vehicles due to its belief in its reliability. If only a few people can afford these outside of warranty they will loose lifetime customers.
My 22’ 1794 Trd has been fine. I’ll keep mine forever & see how Toyota treats my truck moving forward. Maybe I have a unicorn
Does this affect 2024 Versions? I have a 2024 Tundra 4x4 Limited, no hybrid. Wondering if I need to be concerned.
So far, the recall is for 22/23 Tundras within a certain production date range
@@TundraDude34 Thanks man. I do not have the hybrid version, just the stand Turbo V6 and if I understood the non hybrids had the problem with metal flakes.
I really like the look and interior of the 2022+ Tundras. Didn't expect I'd want one until I drove one. Unfortunately Im not confident im making a good purchase amidst thia recall. 😢
I have a feeling this will be expanded to the hybrids and 2024 models. There have been 2024’s and hybrids with engine failures as well as some that have had a 2nd failure. Also, some of these engine failures are happening up to 40-60k miles, that’s not a manufacturing debris issue. I think this is a mechanical issue, not a debris issue.
As far as the 5.7 having issues in the first couple years. I hardly saw it when I was a Toyota tech back then. I recall the camshaft issue, but that only affected 500 or so trucks IRRC.
Wait and see game. I just hope everything gets buttoned up asap
@@TundraDude34 it sure is. I’m sure it’ll be resolved. I’m going to be getting a new truck in about a year and I’m between the Tundra and F150. Right now I’m leaning towards the F150 currently, but there’s still time.
Nice breakdown. Seems like everyone is talking about it but not breaking it down.
I hope you are right brother ; I got a 2024 sequoia trd pro 4 months ago.