Is Toyota’s Reputation Up In Smoke AND Can You Still Trade In Your Recalled New Tundra To Dealer?
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It’s a molehill for you guys because you sold your truck. To the guy whose Tundra engine just seized, it’s a mountain.
They dumped it because they got a heads up.
To those who have them seize AFTER the warranty period, it's DEVASTATING considering this repair is estimated at 25 to 30 thousand dollars. You can buy an ENTIRE base Nissan Frontier truck for that price .
@@jeanclaude7018 knowing Toyota, they're probably going to give extended warranties for those years of trucks.
Hundred thousand mile warranty sounds good
@@hexhead5732 Nissan Titan already has that 100k warranty, on a 413 hp V8 with a good reputation. Yet folks gamble on the Toyota and its mythical invincibility...
I'm tired of TFL calling vehicles they own for three months to a year "reliable".
My brother is a master tech for toyota and he says the engine is garbage they are spinning bearings all over the country he's had multiple tundra come in with spun bearings with no solution to the problem from the manufacturer
Toyotas a robbing scamming assclown company weve given too much resepct and credit for quality that isnt there be honest. Its a foreign company that values our money but hates our values
I believe it. The problems are probably more than Toyota is letting on. They should replace the engines. Doing an engine rebuild at the dealership is NO WAY the same as it being done new at the factory. If I had a broken Tundra because of these problems I’d file a lawsuit and demand my money back.
Is it really garbage or a manufacturing error? The engineering and design is fine, but there is a manufacturing process issue since the engine is built in two different plants.
This is not something with engine manufacturering. When GM first came out with the 3800 they had the same issue but with sand from the casting process. We had engines come back that had a significant amount of sand remaining. Strangely the engines ran fine but with accelerated wear long term.
I talked to my brother, he said not to believe your brother.
Selling Tundras and Tacomas for insane prices while the Tundra engines are failing, the Tacoma is made in Mexico (paying low wages) and TFL knows it's problems with Tacos and at the same time Toyota was caught forging safety and performance test results in Japan...yes, I's say Toyota's reputation is going up in smoke.
My wife and I just picked up Mazdas and didn't have Toyota on our review list, largely because I've lost faith in Toyota.
The last Tacoma was also made in Mexico
@@ravensfootball52Some Tacos , not all.
Now, ALL are true Mexican food.
Nissan quietly meeting needs of disappointing Taco with the Frontier.
@@jeanclaude7018 most tacos were built there before they became all built there, the issue is with the Alabama built motors in Tundras is it not?
Stop trying to sugar coat the issue GUYS!
It's bad for everyone but worst for the owners of these trucks.
Simps for Toyota.
All about that Adsense revenue
Toyota copied American manufacturers. Make junk now
nothing new with TFL, just follow the $$$
@@cessealbeach Same as TRD Jon
The line of Simps is long
There are 2024 Tundras with spun bearings. Toyota has NOT fixed the issue. The short block replacement is horrible. Dealers have to tear down the engine and then reassemble it. The margin for error is painful and is dependent on the tech's skill level. Not a good combination.
And they reassemble with parts that were exposed to oil circulating with metal bits. Can't get much worse.
Men today aren’t used to disassembling engines like men of yesterday. Good luck 🍀
@@Jm8126-5 I have only rebuilt single cylinder lawn equipment engines so very limited experience. But wouldn't the men of yesterday mostly be building iron block push rod engines, I imagine these dual injection, twin turbo, vvt engines are much more complicated
If you don't count the failing engines,rear diffs, transmission and turbo wastegate than the latest Tundra generation is solid, reliable 😅
My friend's has a leaky door frame that sounds like the window is cracked open. The software is also buggy.
My buddy bought a 23 last year fancy trim hybrid tundra for like 80k. 😂 we had to wrap electrical tape on the tailgate bushing to stop its rattle. He agrees my 21 is much better built
That's the thing few are talking about. The new Tundra has had a huge number of other issues entirely unrelated to the engine (and other drivetrain issues). Interior pieces cracking and falling off, door leaks, sunroof leaks, Tesla like panel gaps, rusted tailgates, broken power seats. These are all common issues I see on the forums. These things are built like an 80's AMC.
yeah but once they fix all that, and the the loose windows ,and then replace the inevitable rusted frames in a few years, they will be good to go! And then the Toyota folk can make fun of Fords :)
Wow, sounds like it makes GM look reliable.
My buddy wanted a tundra and I talked him out of it. Thank god he listened.
My oldest son bought a 24 limited crew cab 4x4 a few months ago and I hope that this doesn't happen to him.
I have 61k on my 2022
Buy a gen 2 tundra!!! They are awesome!!!
@@mannyespinosa1960 Still too early to tell.
What did he get?
Some Toyota owners will call this fake news.
TFL is calling it fake news.
All of them are
It's not machining debris it's how the bottom end of the engine was designed
It's the carriage.
Nope it’s machining in the US and A! These engines are also in the LC and Lexus in Japan, Asia and Australia! If that was the case would see them everywhere! Not the case! USA is the real joke and Toyota needs to leave the U.S.! Their manufacturing process does not align with doing trash production like ford! What a shame!
@mjfamgo6563 it's just the inability of the machine operators not following work instructions during the post-machining deburr process. KIA also has the same problem at their Alabama engine plant. The Toyota way didn't forsee DEI.
@@PineBeltAdventures DEI is destroying everything from video games, airplanes, military
The issue is not debris, it is bad engine design.
How?
@@mad-meh2719 the bridge bearing, there are video on it -- videos from even Toyota fan boys. This looks to be a design issue not debris.
@abc55052, i would agree with you. Stating "material was left in the engine during machining process"... seems to be the current excuse. Even if it is machining debris, we must still ask ourselves, HOW can this be. They must not care about quality control with their vehicles. This is weird considering they have a REALLY good reputation. I could see maching debris in several hundred units.... not 100K. yikes!!
@@thechiefenginer My Pentastar enginer from Jeep for 2012 had a recall on it for casting debris left behind in the engine. It was from the sand blasting process. Tons of those engines had sand in them which made a mess.
It is debris.
Gents… you went there. We all know this is not about some engine debris. There are issues with the engines, the rear diffs, doors,window seals, cheap plastics cracking… and wait for it… all in less than 30K miles on average. Then they release a Tacoma that is questionable too (front diff, as you know) and charge insane prices for what used to be the value proposition. Common. Tell those who bought a 22+ Tundra they’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Not sure they agree.
1. Hybrids are not included because if the engine stops you still have motive power from the electric motors. The engine block itself is subject to the same failures as non-hybrids.
2. Some dealers are refusing to take 22-24 Tundras in trade - multiple reports. They don’t want to give fair trade-in value because they cannot sell the recalled truck without an approved fix, and do not want to floorplan it indefinitely. Dealers who will take one in trade will offset their risk with lowball offers that nobody would accept.
Not good…
You exactly right! Adding a hybrid system to the same engine with problems.
they bought a 80k paperweight
I'm going to change my 2022 tundra for a 2024 hybrid because Toyota says that those trucks no longer have a recall.
Roman said the dealer he spoke with is buying Tundras with a slight price adjustment. There's no legal definition of slight. Slight is a matter of interpretation.
Now Toyota can send TFL a check for Damage control
Won’t be the first time
@@JohnDoe-wy2py They do seem to be shilling hard for Toyota.
Yup. Can't give up them perks Toyota throws them.... pathetic!
They sure aren't putting Toyota down like they would Nissan.
@@puffnstuff12 Seem? They're straight up (or flat on their backs) whores.
"For the most part the new Tundra has been rock solid " if you've been living under the rock.
My 24 Pro has been awesome.
The truth is it is an ENGINEERING PROBLEM and not the BS they are saying. The lower crank support girdle is crap and flexing allowing the crank bearings to move. Buyer beware.
I'm betting you are right. The inevitable downside to higher compression and turbos. It's simply more stress on every component.
I do not believe the explanation of why the engines are failing when it's always the same crank bearing that goes out.
There is a guy who has fixed an ls with the same issue at about 20k miles he says that ls is still running and no issues, i think he replaced the shortblock so probably the debris cleaning wasn't done properly around the shortblock cause this engine has a lot of torque and added pressure from debris can cause an overload on the bearings
@Ali-M2 if it was truly caused by debris it would have main bearings and rod bearings going out. Not just front main bearings making this not true.
@@fl_atv_riders4455 Yeah it is pretty suspicious. Plus they are just replacing the short block. If it was debris there should be more damage throughout.
@@Ali-M2 there is no debris copernicus !!! it is a bad design
@@Ali-M2 I'm pretty sure there were owners with multiple engine replacements
I call BS on the debris-left-in-the-engine explanation. This defect is more serious than that. I bet there will be a design change and Toyota will solve this eventually. The question is how will they take care of their current tundra customers
take my car back to the line and put a new engine in, not some master turd who get pay 1/2 off warranty crap is how the fix should happen...
Yesterday, my 2023 Tundra engine stopped middle of I-85 south.m with wife and two little girls. We were stuck for one and half hours on very narrow left shoulder of high speed interstate. We were truly at risked of our lives because of this incident……….,
Don’t know when my truck will be ready and I have to drive back 180 miles to pick up and drop off loaner car. Thank god we were safe back home yesterday.
Never giving up my 3UR-FE. IF I had traded for a new Tundra, I'd want a buyback or a new crate engine. Replacing the short block would be a no-go for me, because my dealer has screwed up an alignment (steering wheel canted to left, car drifted right), a brake job (caliper bolt missing), and forgotten to replace removed clips in the engine compartment. They may have a master mechanic or two, but I've typically gotten the "junior Jethro" working on my car and wouldn't trust him to swap out the short block.
People hated the idea of going turbo only to have those new engines fail. Damage is done.
You should do a poll. See what the community thinks about the Toyota brand now.
Nissan Titan & Frontier, a better buy, both have natural aspirated engines.
I can't believe we waited 10 years for this shit.
Assclowns dude you can tell toyota did nothing for a decade and then they did something and dropped the ball
the engine came out 7 years ago and has been on the road for almost 8 years now (LS500) This is a manufacturing issue.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD The engine may have come out 7 years ago, but I really doubt it is the "same".
I wasn't waiting.
Totally agree. Actually 15 years. 2007-2022. I got tired of waiting for the redesign to replace my 2007 so I bought a 2020. Consider myself lucky. 15 years to wait for an underwhelming truck with numerous quality control issues and design concerns and omissions of things like no tow hooks no 4 auto and now this. Mr Sweers the head engineer should be fired imo.
Blaming it on QC is far less harmful than admitting it is an engineering problem. There’s people on forums that are having their 2nd and even 3rd engine replaced already. It can’t be a machine issue “only effecting 2022-2023” engines, when replacement engines shipping in 2024 are doing the same.
Please SOURCE an anecdote where somone is on their 3rd Tundra V35A-FTS short-block. 😉
Link? Sounds like bs 😅😂
Youre so full of it.. typical internet
Any some Toyota fanboys will never admit that their beloved Toyota messed up. And keep in mind these engine issues are only ONE of the many issues people are talking about with this truck. Stop trying to pledge some allegiance to a company that owes or does nothing for you.
@@MarkA500 Replied already with the link in this thread. It’s an article and talks to the guy who originally posted it on Reddit.
My f150 with 3.5 ecoboost just turned 350k miles. I guess I made the right choice.
wow, did you ever have major work like Timing chains sprockets?
2.7 AND 3.5 ECOBOOSTS ARE ROCK SOLID IN THE TRUCKS.....EXTERNAL WATER PUMP.....EXCEPT 2017-2020 HAD CAM PHASER ISSUES...USUALLY NEED REPLACING BETWEEN 80 - 150k MILEAGE....SOME SHOPS DO REPAIR FOR ABOUT $800 TOTAL... DEALER MUCH HIGHER OF COURSE...
Yeah, I've got a 2.7 in my F150 it's been a great engine.
My Ecoboosts in all our F150s are rock solid
@@stevebeard76672.7 is legendary.
I have a 3.5 … working well so far
Call the Ford, Chevy, Ram dealerships and ask if they are taking Tundras on trade
That would be the real answer and they know the answer would be no. Unlike a Toyota dealer they won't get factor support and have to eat a lot of of the cost. No dealer wants to take that risk.
Yeah - why would I take a Tundra to a Toyota dealer to trade? Trade for what? If I need a full size pickup Toyota doesn’t have a lot of options. And Ford? Why would they take on this headache? Also, the Hybrids were not part of the recall because, even if the engine fails during driving, the hybrid system will provide sufficient power to safely get the truck off the road.
A friend works at a ford dealership and someone was wanting to trade in a new tundra with 2k miles....he was already 20k upside down with what they offered him in trade on a new f150.
They can trade it at a steal
Hold on for it a while
Toyota will put a new engine in it or perhaps buy it back
The schmuck who traded it loses thousands and the dealer perhaps in the end is laughing
Maybe a dealership not taking a Tundra on trade is shortsighted. If you want a loyal customer to switch brands you best act before a solution is found. If Toyota shows that they are willing to do what it takes to take care of its customers why would you then go and switch brands?
Buy back is the only rel option. Otherwise get rid of this POS ASAP
Dealers are not taking them back with an open recall.
If the manufacturer refuses to buy back who will you sell it back to? Lmao.
No dealer is going to buy a vehicle with an open recall that has no fix. There are also 2024 Tundras that have had engine failures as well.
It's not just the engine. People are having problems with the rear diff and various other things as well. Something happened with these models and whatever changes were made seems more like a design flaw at this point.
I got insanely lucky. I traded in my 2022 tundra SR5 Trd off-road for a 21 2500 Cummins last week. Dealer didn’t say a word about the recall
They are covering for Toyota. Instead of having main bearing caps Toyota designed a cradle to hold the crank in place and it’s causing main bearing to fail . I believe
“Don’t blow this out of proportion “? Are you kidding?
I love Toyota, but these are guys are just being shills for Toyota at this point. They are not losing money, the people are.
@@glow4417 TFL is controlled by Toyota. Remember the ADD failure on the Tacoma.. How Roman was saying it was a 321 out of 390 or something similar in terms of production units.. (and Andre's Trail Boss was actually fresh off the lot and did not have any mechanical failures - not counting the numerous software glitches), and how Toyota readily fixed it for them. Point is, TFL could sue Toyota if they did not repair and it would be bad publicity...but Toyota already has a poor reputation now.
TH-cam video's from major channels don't care about long-term reliability or reliability overall. Because all these channels care about is getting more views and money. New products get them more views, so they hype them up. I don't really blame them honestly, but people need to use their brain and think for themselves.
Who cares about the old 4runner being slow and poor MPG? You don't buy an off-road vehicle for it to be fast or for it to get good MPG. I mean sure, its nice to have more power and MPG. But, anyone with a brain will tell you its more about reliability. When your off grid, far from home, you want reliability. You want to be able to mod your 4runner and be able to use it for years to come.
It also affects the 2024 models. Just that they don’t want to recall them, because then they won’t be able to sell them.
I think the machining debris is a lie. It's a engineering failure.
Based on what?
@@jordancook1668 I can see leaving some debris in a few engines. But all of them? Yeah ok I believe that. NOT!
@@jordancook1668 some people are on their 2nd and 3rd engine. If it were just debris they wouldn't keep failing.
Ohh that's rite,you work for Toyota,thanks for the heads up🤦🏻
@@liperonus Anytime!
I just wanna take some time out and thank EPA for neutering the auto manufacturers.
Thank democrats
EPA? Strange - Toyota uses these same gas engines in Land Cruisers and LXs sold world wide. Who knew the EPA had such sway.
Emissions and efficiency standards are driven by governments worldwide and have, for gas engines, converged into a very similar, if not exactly the same, set of regulations. But, sure, blame the EPA if that fits your life narrative.
They made the switch by choice. Everyone except Toyota and Ram decided to keep their V8's.
@@Sir.VicsMasher Ram dropped their v8s with the exception being the 3/4 ton and up trucks
It’s hard to say on the internet that Toyota screwed up, without being loud enough so as to upset Toyota.
- Because you still like access to corporate Toyota events in the future.
Ain't That the Truth !
Yep. Their channel lives and dies by access to press cars / press events. Can’t rock the boat.
Highly likely the tech screws something up while putting in a new short block. That is a huge job.
A short block is not a fix.
Not engine debris.. it is a design flaw!!
If it’s handled correctly they can bounce back. My Dad’s friend bought a Lexus ES300 when they first came out in the early 90’s. The Lexus brand was new and the only dealer in the state was almost 100 miles away. He had something go wrong and contacted the dealer about it since they were so far. They sent a flat bed with a loaner, just like the one he had, and picked his up. When it was returned, on a flat bed, it was detailed and they left a Lexus T-shirt and hat on the seat. Also a hand written note from the GM apologizing for the inconvenience and thanking him for his business. To this day he still only drives Lexus vehicles.
I bought a Toyota lemon that was frequently in the shop for weeks... I haven't bought a Toyota since but I would. They took very good care of me at the time and I never talk bad about them even though my vehicle was a dog.
Yes that was early Lexus. They were all basically handmade in Japan and they were trying to gain a toehold in the luxury car market. Even early Lexus had very few defects. How they handle this remains to be seen, but it has huge implications as Toyota moves to smaller, hybrid, turbo power plants across their model range. Let’s hope it’s the exception and not the rule.
🤔He does know toyota makes lexus, right?
That is what called the honeymoon period. Of course they want to treat new buyers of the brand. Also, the 80's and 90'a is when Toyota made good cars, since the mid 2000s onwards, not so much.
They rolled out the red carpet during early Lexus days, but those days are over.
2024s are blowing up too… Toyota is hiding something and it’s irritating because I own an $80,000 limited edition 1794… Sad… It’s a design problem. Everybody knows it is it’s not material left in the engine block you think they would do that out of the Lexus plant coming out of Japan… Get real man!
I was going to buy a new truck, a tundra. But the prices got so crazy I changed my mind and just kept my old f150.
Completely dodged a bullet.
My 2001 f150, about 240k miles, and have owned it since new. I am just going to keep driving it.
It wouldn’t surprise me if it went another 150k miles.
Excess pressure on the bearings from the overpressure turbo engine is what's breaking it. It's a fundamental design flaw. They either need to figure out a new bearing material or improve the lubrication. Maybe 0w-20 is too thin. If running 5w-30 at the expense of some minscule fuel economy gain fixes the issue they should try that
It's insanity that Toyota switched away from 5w-30 in their vehicles. I'm sure the EPA nazis had something to do with that too.
Something’s moving. Dissimilar materials between block, crank journals, something.
Factory oil specs have been suspect ever since CAFE numbers came on the scene. In 2002, Ford changed the motor oil spec for their engines despite the fact that no mechanical changes to the engines were made. My 2004 Mach1 takes 5w-20 even though the same engine in the 2001 Mustang Cobra took 5w-30. Same for the regular Mustang GT V8s. I met an ex-Ford engineer who worked on the '03-'04 Mach 1 engine program and he confirmed that the change to thinner oils across the board saved Ford a few million dollars in CAFE fines. Ford was OK with lighter weight oil as long as the engines got through the warranty period. He strongly suggested running nothing lighter than a 30 weight in my Mach 1. I asked about a 5w-40. "Even better."
People acting like the 1st iteration of the 3ur-fe didn't have any issues, it did with timing of intake valves which got stuck and damaged the cylinders
who gives a shit? 3UR-FE will last a lot longer than the 3.4L twin turbo
@@theglowcloud2215missed the point there my boy
According to fanboys that engine was always perfect.
It's just fashionable to hate on new technology. EV? Suck. Turbos? Suck.
Everything that is not 25 litres making the same power as a 12 litre engine drinking twice the fuel sucks.
Nothing is perfect. Everything, including Toyotas have always had problems. Of course now with social media you get to hear about all of them, but it's not like no N/A engine from Toyota made in the last 35 years has ever failed
@@adequatejtm7371 no, his comment was just whataboutism. "b-b-b-but what about the V8?!" okay, just accept the 3.4L is a disaster and we can move on.
If you believe Toyota has a problems manufacturing motors in two separate plants, I have a bridge you can buy in Brooklyn. From what I see, and have read the metal is caused from the bearings failing.
A bridge? In Brooklyn, huh? Sounds great, tell me more....
How do the chips get generated from the failing bearings?
$70,000 trucks, shouldn't have unfixable air leaks and rattles, let alone failing wastegates and main bearings.
The debris lol what about the spun bearings😢
This will be extended to the 2024’s…..watch
It has to be since it's the same engine built in the same plants on the same machinery. If they don't then it shows their blaming metal shavings is a lie and they used inferior bearings just like the weak metal on the four wheel drive that broke on tfl while on a patch of ice. Toyota could be cutting corners and now it's coming back to bite them.
Agreed. Possibly beyond that.
Same issues reported here in the middle east with the newer Land Cruisers 300 which are using the same 3.5 V6 turbo petrol engine.
Bought a 22 LX600 2yrs and 30k miles ago. Idle has been stumbling as of the last 6 months.
I called Lexus about 3 weeks ago and the service person had no idea what recall I was referencing… 🤦🏼♂️
Tacomas snapping diffs, Tundras blowing engines, record prices
While manufacturing in Mexico. Screwing people in every way possible
I've never seen my local dealers have more Tundras sitting on the lot than right now. They're offering pretty heavy discounts too. I wouldn't buy one of these things right now. This coming from a guy who owned a 2014 and absolutely loved it.
Today I drove down an auto strip here in my city. All lots are full. Not much is moving. Good it’s about time. Prices are nuts on ALL trucks. Now of course it isnt any better with Toyota. Lot decay is coming 🤷🏻
@@ramrider1453 I've got a 2019 RAM Larame, and really want the new RHO, but I'm going to wait a year to see how reliable that engine really is.
@@alexwhitley5195 Yes I agree fully. Back in the day those straight sixes were bullet proof. But with new tech and possible small design changes. I would wait also. I love my Hemi but it wouldn’t veer away from the hurricane at all. But I do hate turbos though. Don’t like the expense of that repair.
The recall leaves the Hybrid owners out to dry. Also Toyota doesn't sell(so they would have no stock) of long blocks. I would expect the solution will be to replace the short block(Just the block, crankshaft, and pistons/connection rods) This leaves a lot of things with potential damage from contaminated oil. It'll be interesting to see what their solution is and if they do truly leave the Hybrid owners to swim on their own.
The hybrid isn't recalled because it has a secondary source of motive power.
lol, ever hear of 3yr/36k ? and oem extended 10yr/125k ??
@@Sam-dq7ws what’s your point?
@@coryrood hybrid owners are NOT hung out to dry as you stated
@@Sam-dq7ws yes they are, they are left with a vehicle with a widely known defect, that isn't being resolved. Try telling everyone that lost thousands in resale value they have a warranty.
@@coryrood lol I have one and not worried in the least.
Nissan should take advantage and keep building the titan.
Yes sir
But redeisgn it first. The Titan was fugly.
Don’t touch the VK56.
No, they're going to put the new V6 from the QX80 in there. Not worth it, IMO.
@@damilolaakanni Nissan will end production of the Titan full-size pickup truck after the 2024 model year. Production is scheduled to stop in the summer of 2024 at Nissan's Canton, Mississippi plant, which will then be used to manufacture two new electric vehicles. Nissan's Ambition 2030 plan is to transition its lineup to fully electric vehicles.
Everyone in the comments is an engineer..
Everyone’s buddy or brother is Toyota tech …
My 2015 Tundra V8 with 150K is still running strong
So is my 2001 yukon with 325k
Yea that thing won’t die on you. Wish the rear end wasebt a 4.30 lol otherwise I would have one.
Most 2015 cars are running no problem if properly maintained…
My wife's 2010 Sequoia is closing in on 200k, still sounds and runs amazing. Hard pass on the turbos.
Not with that milage. The AFM lifters on GM products are the same as the twin turbo BS.
I heard Toyota is also recalling all the 2026 Tundras too!😂😂
Bingo ! better chance of blowing a tire.
Sorry but loose metal shavings in an engine means full long block replacement and effected owners should except no less.
I believe that toyota should of kept the 5.7 and still introduce the new 3.5. Give the customer a choice!
Exactly. They went woke instead.
@@robertyoung8289🙄
I agree. It’s not like the tooling wasn’t paid for, or they don’t have experience installing multiple engines on the same assembly line.
Emissions regs (thanks CARB and EPA) forced them
@@robertyoung8289 not Toyota, US government
I have to wonder if the new engine is a bad design. The new design is very complex. Some sites are reporting transmission and diff problems.
Every part that can have a problem will becausenits designed to fall apart even before the warrentee is up or they wouldnt be having so many problems on brand new ones
The Car Care Nut will tell us what’s really going on…
For sure
Yeah because he is not a corporate shill looking for invites to events
Come on Toyota bring back that 5.7
EPA will make that difficult.
Glad I got one but in a sequoia
@@gpaje Ford has one?? wtf/
The fuel economy was horrible.
I was seriously looking at one before covid to replace my 01, but the fuel economy sucked.
@@volvo09It’s a full-size truck…..gas millage should not be your concern.
How did the manufacturer of the greatest turbo engine in history (2JZ-GTE) drop the ball on this new turbo engine???
Because the 2JZ was way way overbuilt and over-engineered. The turbos were strictly for performance and not to compensate for the lack of displacement. Toyota isn't what they use to be. 90's-00's was peak era for automotive engineering and reliability. Now it's strictly about profits.
Toyota is living on the reputation it built pre 2000 and in some cases a little more recent. No way I would give them $50k plus for anything these days.
Reputation they still hold even recently be rated most reliable and dependable in jdp and cr. Yes they make mistakes and the 3UR first few years had many issues as well but you see how that developed now ‘last gen tundras are indestructible!’ They didn’t come out the gate indestructible
@@chibbyylol every brand is over 100 problems per 100 vehicles, I’m not saying it’s just Toyota, but they are not the bastion of reliability they once were. According to JD power they are middle of the pack for the brands below the industry average. Lexus is #1 with genesis #2 and Kia #3, Toyota and Hyundai are right next to each other and neither is in the top 5.
Most reliable years for the Tundra are 2005 and 2006.
@@dvandkq you know that’s 2 diff generations right? I agree because the 4.7 is superior to the 5.7, it’s give and take though. 05 was the best year of the first gen 06 is the only year the 4.7 was the only v8 option IIRC. 05 still had ball joint issues, 06 was a tougher front end design.
@@spcneary I'm the original owner of my '05. Bulletproof. No LBJ issues.
I own a 2023 tundra already over a 20,000 miles and it’s been pretty solid so far.
Same for my 24 but chicken little's gonna cry wolf regardless.
Well it's not affected every Tundra. Glad yours is not giving you issues.
@@Sam-dq7wsCan't deny the fact it's still a major problem for Toyota.
@@Blue-moon12 For sure just like the sudden excel a decade ago but was same non issue basically just over hype
No issues at all with my '24 hybrid limited. Not even the infamous door seal issues. But I guess time will tell. If it goes out, it's a major inconvenience yeah, but not the end of the world. It all depends on how Toyota handles it. That's gonna be what saves their reputation.
The reason the hybrid isn't on the recall is all due to "safety". Since the hybrid won't entirely stop running if the gas engine fails due to having the hybrid drivetrain to keep you moving, they've determined it isn't a SAFETY issue on the hybrid, therefore no recall. Unfortunately the engine still has the same problem as the non-hybrid though.
I hope they have a master tech doing the repairs . Once you touch the engine I'll never be the same again. Rattles , noises, ...wont be the same as one assembled at the factory
Happening to 2024 Tundras too!
The issue is spun main bearings - the engines are toast.
The biggest mistake Toyota ever made is dropping the 5.7 L V8. It runs forever it’s got plenty of power jerks of thunder around just fine. No it doesn’t get the best gas mileage in the world, but it will drive forever. When I got rid of y 2014 it had 345,000 miles and still didn’t use a drop of oil changes.
They had to due to emissions compliance. Don’t fault Toyota for having to comply with regs, blame the regs
@@kaseyc5078 what about Ford and GM?
@@kaseyc5078 So you are telling me a “twin turbo” V-6 has better EPA emissions than?
Plus midsize trucks today are more powerful than the 5.7 lol
@@beexiong2995 True, however, I'm not convinced that they will last as long yet.
Old school titan and frontier doesn't look so bad now does it? Most get 200k without major issues!
I think that I would buy a Ford Expedition or F-150 over this for reliability. That is a statement that I never thought that I would make...
I feel like Toyota owns their mistakes better than anyone else. Yeah this is a big problem, but they will get it fixed and make the future versions of this engine bulletproof. I don’t even own a Toyota, but I don’t think their reputation will be damaged in the long run.
Well Toyota couldn’t make the wheels stay on their ev. Plus the cablegate corrosion on the rav4 hybrid / prime
Your 'feelings' won't influence my next car purchase. I'll wait.
Toyota only "owns" mistakes after they get sued or ppl get killed like they have in the past with the on going truck frame corrosion, gas pedal ecm issue that killed people and they lied to congress, oil sludge issues in the early 2000s that destroyed engines.
I can’t agree about owning mistakes because of the oil burning problem with the 2AZ. But they will make sure this never happens again. The revised engine will be bulletproof.
@@americanadreaming I would hope the thoughts of a random commenter on TH-cam wouldn’t 😂
I find it VERY suspicious that 2 facilities had debris left behind. Anyone that has studied Toyota's manufacturing process knows that they have a stringent Quality control process that includes the ability of ANY technician to shut down production if an issue is found....On top of that they also have robust QA processes that can also shut down production if an issue is found. For this debris to go undiscovered in 1 Toyota plant is highly unlikely, but for it to go undiscovered in 2 plants, and one of them being in Japan is practically impossible...Additionally why would the i-force Max, not also be involved in this recall....Sorry but something does not add up
I believe this has really hurt Toyota, they went from building a million mile V-8 engine to an engine that has all kinds of problems and doesn’t even provide better fuel efficiency from real world testing. Why didn’t Toyota mate the 10 speed Transmission to the V-8 engine and possibly look at adding something like cylinder deactivation or another type of system to improve fuel efficiency and keep that Beautiful V-8 engine.
Non-union workers in Alabama - what do you expect?
@@dvandkq Higher productivity and an better work ethic .
The south has the highest welfare and fentanyl usage rates in the U.S. Keep deluding yourself.
Boeing has to fly their Dreamliners made in Charleston, South Carolina to Everett, Washington to have the mistakes made by the non-union workers corrected by union workers.
But please keep bleating on about how multinational corporations care about their employees. What a pile of bullshit.
1:57 time stamp. Option B: NHTSA probably said "recall it on your own or we'll order you to do so" so no heroics from Toyota on this recall.
What good does putting a brand new short block in the truck that is the same as the one that came out do ?
This is a great opportunity for DIYers who want to build on this new chassis and switch out the engine for a discounted price.
I’m sure some people might be willing to accept low-ball offers.
A class action suit will remedy this. It might be cheaper for Toyota to just buy back the lemons.
Regarding resale, the damage is done.
I predict the Ford F-150 is going to have a record selling year.
It also is affecting 2024
If you look at the data it's only the very early 2024 ones that came off the line with engines produces before the date Toyota called out in the recall. This is why Toyota is not recalling all 2024 and likely won't. They will issue a separate recall notice based on VINs to those 2024's that are effected.
So it's also affecting 2024....@@jimbov23
The hybrid isn't recalled so far because it can't cause a "loss of power" - the eletric part of the engine can still keep the vehicle moving.
My assumption is they want to stagger the recall - it makes no sense it doesn't affect the GX as well.
Yes stagger the Hybrid models. Also stagger the 2024"s into the mix.
My first comment is that I AM NOT A MECHANIC OR ENGINEER but have owned vehicles all my life. If this is caused by metal left in the machining process why not take a truck on the recall list, take off the oil filter and cut it open and inspect it for filings, second, drop the pan, a relatively easy task and inspect for filings and while it is off look at the oil p/u tube and sump if visible and inspect for shavings. To me if not metal shavings are found I would think there is no engine problem. These might just be defective engines for another reason. PS: A knocking engine won't shut down, a seized engine will. Again, not a mechanic so I could be way off base and I accept that. just my two cents.
Because it's not metal debris left in the engine. It's the main bearings failing. They will fail at different mileages. Oil may be clean today and full of metal next month.
@@jimjones-pz1tt Thank you for that information. Not being a mechanic all I know is what my experiences have been with owning cars. The only fix is the bearing replacement or new engines?
@@louisstennes3 If I owned a Tundra I would only accept a new engine. Not a short block but a long block plus new turbos. I doubt you could clean the microscopic metal bits completely out of the engine. Some would remain and would micro-machine a new short block. And, don't forget the turbos lubricated/cooled by engine oil. Don't forget to replace any oil coolers and oil lines, too. I'm sure I'm forgetting something!
I take that back. I'd sue for a buy back.
@@jimjones-pz1tt Great insight. I think one or two things will happen. 1. Toyota buyback of trucks. 2. Toyota after inspection, repair will give 100,000 mile warranty for those that don't want the buyback. PS: if this fails it will go to a class action lawsuit. I bet lawyers are up and running on that now.
@@louisstennes3 Don't worry, according to Roman and Andre, it's not a big deal! I knew the new Tundra was doomed when the off road models didn't have tow hooks. That, my friend,is a sign of hubris!
The comments here are spot on - and these people don't take perks from Toyota to influence the spin of their comments.
This has been a problem since 2018 with spun bearings. This engine was debuted in a lexus car 1st. They were having these problems back then.
Hey guys did we test his engine before placing into production? Yeah boss… no issues 😂
My thoughts exactly. Take 10 trucks in prototype and run them day and night until 150K. 8 of them towing 24/7. What are the results? Sounds like faulty design and supplier issues.
Buy a Titan, V-8 without all of the stop/start cylinder deactivation, turbo nonsense. Powerful and reliable 5.6! I test drove a 2024 Tundra and was completely underwhelmed.
I find that hard to believe. I have an F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost and the Toyota hp/torque specs are very close. My F150 rips. I can't see how the Toyota would be much different. Turbos make torque!
The other thing is it seems (I might be wrong) they have to pull the whole body off chassis to change motor. What other problems will this create done out of factory?
How do they know that replacement engine or that the trucks on the dealership lots have the same problem?
It will be very interesting to see what the remedy will be. Hopefully they come up with something before late July.
I wonder if the chief engineer still has a job?
Is that the guy who's fatter than Roman?
Had the recall on my 2007 FJ Cruiser when my frame cracked. They offered to buy it back or replace the frame. I wanted them to buy it back until they hit me with it had to be at the less than 12k miles per year usage and i would be charged for every mile over that. Since i was commuting 50k per year that would have left me owing roughly $15,000 to them to be bought out. So i opted for the frame replacement. It took about a month to get it back.
Toyota eliminated the deep skirt pan rails and steel main caps most manufactures use and replaced it with an aluminum girdle style main cap assembly instead. This is a great way to lower the overall engine height and is a very strong alternative. The problem is, it's not working as designed and I would speculate the aluminum main cap girdle is deflecting enough to destroy the front main bearings. If Toyota has not improved the strength of the main cap girdle, the problem will be present in the replacement blocks. I have yet to find any data showing any upgrades to this part.
First new gen in years and they get slapped in the face! May not be up in smoke but it’s on the ropes - the way they handle this nightmare is crucial
TFL you are a shill for Toyota. Just acknowledge it.
Umm. You cant shill for whats true.... i dont understand all the toyota haters. They make the best cars even if they did mess up on these trucks....
@@iskdude9922 of course you can by sugar coating and white washing any problems. Do not sell or manufacture order coming for the Grand Highlander tomorrow.
And I’m not a Toyota hater, on my 3rd 4Runner. These channels were built on honest reviews and news and as they get bigger Toyota wines and dines them so they will only mention positive things about their brand.
@@blackwatch7151 theyve been pretty fair as far as i can tell...
Just wondering how many 3.4T trucks that failed had been used for towing?
How much stress was put on the engine block?
Did the Crank flex in the block and wash out bearing?
Hmmm. Before this new generation Tundra with the twin turbo V6 was released to the public, a Toyota engineer had several UTube videos that said the prototype vehicle was ran 1 million, yes a million miles around this country with no engine problems. Apparently the prototype engine was built in Japan under extreme scrutiny and the subsequent engines were built in a factory without the same standards. Ford has had a problem with the cam phasers in their twin turbo V6 and Ford still hasn’t fixed them.
The reason the hybrids aren’t part of the recall is because even if the engine goes, the hybrid will still have electric power to get to the side of the road.
So it isn’t a safety issue, no mandatory recall needed, but the engine still has the same issue.
Hybrid owners got double screwed.
... replace with the 5.7 , problem solved ...
The 1GD engine in my 2016 Hilux is running fine all the time
Nobody wants single-digit fuel economy.
Thanks for the video! Keep us informed as you know more.
Thank god Tundra was out of stock last year when I was shopping for a truck.
Toyota sales was an asshole and told me to wait 2 years for it.
I ended up buying a GMC Sierra Denali with 6.2L V8 instead. Loving it.