Is it? I would guess that a small sliver of people are watching you tube or following the situation that closely. Heck even i do and i was still considering buying one. It's not like there's a ton of choices or anything.
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments its all over the major auto journalist outlets and even news. NHTSA is on it too. People do not only get their information from youtube...
@@eriktinaj8741 Donald Trump is all over the news too and half the country is ready to vote for him. What's your point? People hear what they want. And they have short memories. Even studying these, if you can even retain the facts, they all kinda lousy. You settle for one that has just as many problems as the Tunrda, maybe even more. Just like with the US presidential election, if you want a pickup, you have very few options. None of them great. All of them overpriced pieces of garbage.
The unintended acceleration recall of 2007 (biggest Toyota recall) didn't seem to affect their reputation. Toyota's reliability really depends on certain models and certain years, they are not 100% reliable.
And why wouldn't they? People keep buying them by the millions every year, so the manus have zero incentive to stop. Trucks are also their highest-margin products typically, so until everyone decides to downsize to 4-cylinder midsizers and trucky cars, and/or go electric, Ford, GM, Nissan, Toyota, and Ram will just keep making these things.
It's government mandates on fuel efficiency. Automakers are scrapping reliable V8s for overly complex, highly wound V6s in order to get a 1-2 more MPGs
Toyota is lying. The same issue is occurring with Lexus products built in Japan with engines made in Japan rather than the tundra engines made in the US.
Your correct. Hyundai told us the same thing in 2012 when they started having engine issues. Worked for them for 10 years, engine failure replacements until the day I left up too 2019 models. Then again with the redesinded engines. This is a pretty normal "go to" for a car company when they have this issue.
If metal or debris is in the oil it will be everywhere. you can flush it out all you want but the only real true fix is the replace the engine as a whole.
Yeah, they're not going to replace the entire engine. It would cost Toyota billions of dollars to do so. Keep in mind, Toyota is in debt. They will probably offer an oil inspection and extended warranty, while continuing to offer a short block replacement for those affected. But as you said, this is just the tip of the iceberg, especially with 2024's still having this issue. I feel bad for 3rd Gen owners dealing with this. Imagine spending over $60k on a brand new truck then having to worry every day that it might blow up or leave you stranded.
@@alexmseu You do know what a "SAFETY" recall is right? They will have no choice but to replace the engines due to crash risk, Kia and BMW have done this before also
@@alexmseu What other choice they have? You think the NHTSA will just let Toyota rebuild the engines? The problem could still exist. The only solution would be to replace the entire engine. An extended warranty wont happen because again its a "SAFETY" recall
Nothing is more painful than paying $60-80k for a new Tundra, have the engine fail and leave you stranded, and Toyota tells you they're going to have some guy in the service department rebuild your engine using mostly old parts. You no longer have a clean, factory-spec, factory fresh engine in your expensive new truck, you have a rebuilt engine put together by some guy at the dealer in your brand new truck. It's just not the same, even if it runs fine.
I know a guy that traded in his beautiful 2017 Tundra crewmax limited for a Jeep!!… omg…like dude are you retarded? 5.7L’s are still available… but numbers of them are dwindling. … quickly.
Got a 2014 1794 in Bronze with the 5.7 50,000 miles on it. Just came off a 4000 mile trip 3 days ago ran great change the oil every 5000 miles did all the differentials Fluids and put new tires on before I left, came back with a 1200-pound load..
I know a guy that had a beautiful 2017 Tundra limited in white… 50K on it and he traded in for a jeep!! Fuckin idiot! To the contrary, I’m keeping my 2019 1794 till the wheels fall off!
That sucks for the current Tundra owners with a turbo, as the resale value just dropped to nothing. I certainly wouldn’t want to roll the dice by being one of those used Tundras.
If the truck is past the first or second oil change, it's probably okay. Mine is. And 18 months into it, it runs perfect. Better mpgs than stated, and tows like a beast.
$30k+ engine replacement if it grenades. Buying a used 3rd gen is a massive gamble and the used market will reflect that. The oiling system and bearings are being pushed to the limit with this design. Toyota would almost have to detune the engine and offer a major extended warranty to save resale value for current owners.
And specially dont buy the 4 runners with the v6. Taking of the metal (yes metal) skid plate takes forever just for a simple oil change. It would've been easy if they put the filter on top like everyone else because then you would just have to remove a tiny metal piece held on by two bolts to drain the oil but no, they wanted us to suffer.
A year ago, I began seriously looking for a full size truck to replace my Tacoma. The 2023 Tundra had me captivated but after a bit of research, I decided to hold off and see if the reported problems in the latest generation were isolated incidents. In November, a beautiful 21 Crew Max with 16k miles popped up. I bought the truck and am so glad that I did. I am in love with the old, outdated, unrefined version and plan to grow old with her, Lord willing.
Who would have thought that Ford would have built the better twin turbo 3.5L ? Theirs never had these issues and they are proven solid engine if well maintained.
They have a lot of experience building garbage engines but they get it right occasionally. Until they revamp the perfectly good engine and blow it up again.
Yeah but problem with the Ford 150 or higher trucks is their engine is strong but the inside is plastic and cheap quality. Why would you buy their cheap quality at almost the same price of a Tundra?
@@TheHailstorm77because Tundras have low payload capacities. I couldn’t find one at my local dealer that had over 1600 lbs. Ford offers max tow package which can tow up to 14,000 lbs
I think there is an inherent design flaw or oil flow issue. There’s no way that some Tundras are failing at 40-60k miles due to “manufacturing debris”. Thats simply not plausible as debris related failures tend to happen fairly soon in the engines life. Additionally, there have been some 2nd engine failures reported as well as multiple hybrid engine failures. That could be technician related or tech not cleaning all of the components that oil flows through. Like you said, there is certainly more to this story. I’ll be curious to see what Toyota comes up with and what the fix is.
That's what I've been saying too. Blaming it on debris is a convenient excuse. Hyundai used the same excuse when Theta II's were eating bearings at 20-30k miles. It's gotta be an issue with the oiling system or that unique aluminum crank bearing cap cradle. Corporate Toyota is pushing the debris narrative because it's more advantageous for their bottom line. Why use the debris excuse? Now any 2022+ Tundra owners that have been excluded from the recall don't have a design flaw they can point to in a class action lawsuit if engines continue to fail. They'll be told that their engine failed for a different reason or that the owner was at fault for the failure.
@@rand49er not according to a Google doc from the Tundra forums. All filled out by owners with very detailed info. A handful of 2 time failures, hybrids and even 1 2024 in that doc. One shows 60k, there are others in the 30-40k mile range as well.
I worked in dealerships for 23 years I was rebuilding a 3.8 in a jeep putting rings on the piston 5 feet away guy with a grinder blowing sparks at me .. all I can think of was when I was at the training centre and the instructor telling me to be surgical clean when putting together an engine 😂
Jeeps are finally getting a better look but it’s the worst car to ever invest. Dont understand why so many buy a Jeep Rubicon but you will always dumb consumers.
Screw that I would want a completely new engine! What about the metal going through the top of the engine? Toyota must make this right for there customers.
Who knows whether it's BS or not, but it is a valid thing that can happen. It's a problem that happens in other manufacturing segments with far more extreme precision targets, so I think Toyota's explanation is feasible.
@SurelyYewJest I can see possible debris in some but not that many. Maybe bad bearings from the beginning, engine can't handle the turbo boost and so on.
Here's the kicker: the hybrid isn't included because when the engine fails, the hybrid has enough power to move you safely off the road. Lol. So it's not a "safety issue" with they hybrid like it is with the regular 3.4. I'm sure that makes hybrid tundra owners all warm and fuzzy knowing their engine is not getting fixed but they're just going to leave you hanging high and dry so that when you're towing one day BOOM.
And that's exactly why I don't get why so many guys simp for Toyota. They're a greedy sleazy corporation like all the others. I always roll my eyes when someone reports their new Tundra needs a new engine or transmission (yes the 3rd gen has been having transmission failures too) and the comments will be "That sucks man good thing you own a Toyota. They stand behind their products and will make every thing right, no questions asked."
@@ethanyates28 got to be honest bro, that sounds like operator error. You should never be getting below 16mpg in a ecoboost unless you’re overworking it and not doing maintenance correctly. Good news is, if you want a v8 Ford will still happily sell you a 5.0
@@NINE-PACK it’s not tho every work van in our fleet with the EB had turbo problems I’m the only person who still has one because it’s under warranty still. And as for the coyotes I Love those engines they sound and move great just certain years have a few problems.
@@ethanyates28 What generation EcoBoost are they? If they're from 2011-2013 those have the most problems. The EBs after ~'17 should be good. That said, V8s are not long for this world. It's just a fact of technological advancement and evolution. Eventually someone will figure out the sound thing for smaller engines and electrics so you can have it without needing the V8, and have a more efficient engine with fewer parts. Everyone talks about dumping high-tech V6s and I4s and going back to NA big-displacement V8s, but trucks started with I4s and I6s. V8s were themselves a later advancement. Gas and diesel V8s will live on in the Class 2-7 segments for a while, still, but there's already a rumor that Ram is going to port over the Hurricane for HD service. Ford surely is looking at doing the same. GM and Ram are both looking at using a single base engine for their gas and diesel HD offerings, as well as other ways to pull consumer power into commercial applications with more reliability and lower emissions. I personally wish someone would do a hybrid HD powertrain with start-stop and regen, diesel or gas. The only reason we don't already have such products is because the Big 3 have consistently hit back against the EPA with respect to metering commercial emissions. But climate change won't allow HDs to continue as they are; again, another fact of our reality, one that we all had a hand in forcing on ourselves.
There have been quite a few 2024's with the exact same failure. The debris theory is one of convenience for Toyota's bottom line. Why use the debris excuse? Now any 2022+ Tundra/Sequoia owners that have been excluded from the recall won't have a design flaw they can point to in a future lawsuit if engines continue to fail. Toyota will argue that those engines weren't affected by the debris recall and there are no design flaws to blame for the engine failures, and owners will be told that their engine failed for a different reason or that they are at fault for the failure.
I believe it's a design issue. They are claiming engines after Feb 2023 have better cleaning procedures, yet 2024 Tundras and Lexus which have engines from different factories, are having failures. Hybrids are having failures. Expect the recalls to be expanded.
I agree. It's a design issue not unlike the 5.0 cummins in the Titans. Likely poor oiling caused by an anomaly in the casting or just an unlucky design when 3 sets of unlikely circumstances happen the #3 journal gets starved....or something like that. What a bummer for these owners and everyone involved.
Unfortunately, this engine recall isn't the only manufacturing problem these trucks have. Aside from the attrocious quality control coming from the San Antonio plant, the truck is riddled with several design flaws. Just look at how that front grill is designed. Great for air flow, but awful for protecting those 3 massive radiators from debris. These trucks are not made with the same QDR of Toyota's past. Sadly, it has taken a massive engine recall for people to start paying attention. Keep up the great content!
Toyota has denied engine rebuilds under warranty for people who have changed the oil at jiffy lube with 5k miles and one guy had a dirty air filter. The cost for the motor rebuilds is 28-38k. The best thing to do is trade in your 22-24 for a 21. But 21 prices have sky rocketed. The 24’s arent recalled because they want to be able to continue selling them
No, the best thing to do it to trade your Tundra regardless of GEN3 or GEN2 on a F150. It's the best truck with the best powertrains. If you're worried about all the 10R80 failure hype then I recommend dropping the pan at 30K after it's broken in well, adding a new filter, and fluid without a flush. A new pan with a drain plug is also preferred.
Yeah that issue has flown under the radar with all the attention being directed at all the engine failures. My neighbor's truck needed a new transmission shortly after he bought the truck. Then at 23k miles the engine blew up too.
This is not a debris issue. This is an engine design problem. The main bearing is not secured enough to handle the power and pressures this engine produces. Ford took cues from their diesel engines on how to secure the main bearings. I doubt Dodge will have the same problems because they went with the straight 6 platform.
I guess I am the bad guy here, for telling my story.... My tundra is a 23, and is amazing. I have a B&W flip over ball, and use this beast to pull heavy trailers, it has an air bag system, and thus truck has power that is unbelievable in the low end of the powerband... I have never had any issues, of any kind, and I am amazed at every time I hitch... Fantastic truck, no issues, and massive power with little work... I wished that u had if opted for a larger fuel tank, but has been an awesome ride... True Story.....
Toyota no different than anybody else they get something good they wanna change it to something that's unproven they ALL do that now they building JUNK!!!
"Machining debris" should affect more than just the main bearing. I think the issue is the cap bracket design and I think Toyota doesn't want to admit that they made a bad design.
As many are commenting that the engine debris doesn't fly as an explanation. It would have been noticed early on in the casting and the die plant before the iron sleeves were pressed in
Debris in the engine doesn't just hang out for 20-30k miles and then suddenly decide to flow into the main bearings. It's just a convenient excuse for corporate Toyota that owners have to just accept. Why use the debris excuse? Now any 2022+ Tundra owners that have been excluded from the recall don't have a design issue they can point to in a class action lawsuit.
You are such a gentleman to put things so lightly! Toyota is deliberately ruining their entire lineup of trucks and suv’s. Very gracious of you to give them the benefit of doubt! Thanks for the video
Nonsense, Toyota would never "deliberately" ruin their main business. There's a century of continuous improvement in their culture. Don"t say stupid things.
As a note, in 2010 Toyota issued a recall for 270,000 Lexus vehicles with the 4.6L V8 and 3.5L V6 engines for valve springs that caused catastrophic failures. I don't like that Toyota sat on their hands, but that's why I wait a few years before buying something with a newer engine design. Plus, I'm likely getting a hybrid engine because that's where the tech should be going anyway (not EVs).
Keeping my 2013 5.7 103k miles so I'm good ... price of a new one ,buys a lot of gas pays insurance etc. like the new sequoia TRD off-road but more of a 3 row luxury family school bus , but dont trust it towing my airstream don't want a break down at 2 am maybe in 2 yrs once the bugs are gone might look for one on my want list is the Lexus GX550 overtrail opt to delete the stupid 3rd row and moon roof
The issue with the Tundra also scared me away from the Hurricane engine. But hey, maybe this is an opportunity for Nissan, if they haven't already retooled their Titan plant, maybe they can actually manage to sell a few units with their 5.6. Maybe people will give them another look.
I've been waiting for another video on the tundra! Your reviews are literally the only ones I trust. Very well explained, thought out and seem with no bias
Bought a 2024 SR base model 2WD in Dec. Had to have a work truck. 14k miles so far. Awesome driving and towing truck. No real issues yet. Keeping my fingers crossed. Did get the 80k warranty though. I guess time will tell....
Trade it. Find a clean 2nd gen while they're still plentiful. Resale values on 3rd gen Tundras are going to tank, including 2024's. There have been 2024 Tundras with the exact same bearing failure issue. As someone else here pointed out, the hybrid version of the engine wasn't included in the recall because the hybrid has enough power to move you safely off the road in the even the engine fails. Therefore it's not a "safety issue" and they were excluded from the recall. This is all just a PR game to make it look like Toyota found the issue and is fixing everything. They are not. They are gas lighting.
@@karlschauff7989 I hear ya but I’m not to the chicken little stage yet. It’s not making any weird noises. Still runs good. As an engineer that knows a little about machining, I still think it’s either a cleaning process problem, which is the same process used in Japan, or its a manufacturing variance in tolerances or gaging. I think if it was purely a design weakness, there would be thousands of failures after 2 years. And these engines have been tested for hundreds of thousands of hours in all types of environments before production. I just find it hard to believe they wouldn’t have had a main bearing burn up because it wasn’t getting enough oil because of the design. Now I might be wrong, but that’s just my personal opinion at this time.
Actually, they don't know what has caused the failures. They said it's a "possibly" that machining debris that "may" not have been cleared from the engine. Those are conditional statements, just a guess. They don't know what's wrong with it.
It sure does make me really appreciate my 2003 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner even more & it only has 66,000 original miles on it & still running strong. 👍❤️👍
You are right about these CORP...TOYOTA should have jump on Tundra's engine issues in 2022 instead they push it right to 2024 models.. QUALITY is gone to HELL they need to change there thinking before they DESTROY there reputation.. Toyota is starting a recall of 100,000 trucks there is probably more to come.. Toyota should be replacing these engine with new crate motors NOT SHORT BLOCK engines.. These engines are very complex today they are not like the 1960's or 70''s engines .. I read about the nightmares about the short block being replaced 2 or 3 times on the Trucks... These V35A-FTS 3.5 Twin Turbo engine and looking into what they changed the way they secured the Main Bearing caps by using a LADDER FRAME system made from Aluminum could this be the problem or oil starvation or machining work ?? . Toyota today is telling us that the issues are cause by filings left in the engine manufacturer are they being TRUTHFUL on that .. I own a 2023 Tundra with 600 miles had to replace a Front Differential and Transfer Case it took over 3 Months to repair . My DEALER was very helpful they gave me a new Tundra to use and the Toyota Corps also compensated me as well .. My FIRST oil change at 1,200 miles NOT AT 10,000 Miles what they Recommended. The first oil change is VERY Important to get rid of Micro filing from the internal engine .. I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles, 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..I've had engines with over 325,000 miles the only problem is the Body's don't last in the NORTH of Canada .. My engine is running fine right now with 14,000 miles ...I'm playing Russian Roulette with this engine ?? TOUCH WOOD WE'LL SEE ...
*_"...I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles, 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..."_* Amen to that! People have to understand that ALL TYPES OF OIL begin breaking down after a few thousand miles, regardless whether it's conventional or synthetic. And it's not just the oil itself, but also the FILTER will begin clogging up within the same time frame. This in turn will reduce oil flow, and thus, prevent proper lubrication of the engine. These auto manufacturers (INCLUDING TOYOTA 😱) are DELIBERATELY misleading people into prolonging maintenance intervals, in order to nudge them into buying (or most likely, LEASING/FINANCING) a new vehicle SOONER. Hell, the metal shavings may also be deliberate for the same reason!
Also, there was apparently a "changing of the guard" at Toyota's HQ in Japan a few years ago. That may also explain the decline in quality. All I can say is, thank God I got my 3rd gen Tacoma when I did, as it will most likely be my LAST new vehicle purchase.
Excellent video, especially your explanation and illustration on the dangers of debris, left after the machining process, ruining bearings. Just shocking that this has happened and affecting so many engines.
I agree! And added the cylinder deactivation too stay within emission requirements. That’s the whole reason for these v6 turbos and v4 turbos on vehicles.
Wow. The information provided here was so much easier to understand due to the Tundra in the background. Most importantly, turbo and main bearing failures made more sense when he explained them near the open hood, because I always thought the turbo was a part of the AC blower fan and thought my main bearings were at the bottom of my seat cushion. I guess in modern Tundras they are in now the engine bay. What a drastic redesign.
Can you imagine a tech in the dealership trying to put that engine back together? Plus, the complete front end has to be lifted off the truck. Imagine trying to put that all back together torqued to spec perfectly, back together without rattles and missing parts. hahaha
The hydrodynamic forces, of the layer of oil keeps the metal parts from touching. The leftover metal debris, I would guess clogged the oil passage and starved some of the bearings... the solution is to replace the engine, that is really all that can be done.
The metal debris theory makes no sense. It doesn't take 20 to 40k miles for metal debris to take out main bearings. They're doing the same thing Hyundai did when Theta II bearings were failing like crazy. It's the perfect way to weasel out of future lawsuits. Now all the Tundras and Sequoias that were excluded from the recall won't have a design flaw to point to if more engines fail and a class action lawsuit is formed. If Toyota admitted the oiling system has a flaw or the aluminum main bearing cap cradle design is to blame, all the Tundra and Sequoia owners that were excluded from the recall (including all 2024 models) can't sue and say that they were wrongfully excluded from the recall or that they suffered financial damage due to Toyota selling them a vehicle with a defective engine design.
I'm currently on my third Toyota truck (2020 Tacoma), and I truly think Toyota has lost their way. My plan is to drive my Tacoma indefinitely, even if this means replacement of major components like engine or transmission.
I used to work summers at a Toyota shop so I know they built great cars, personally I've had Corolla, Camry and Land Cruiser. Then I chose XTerra instead of FJCruiser because the FJ was odd with just two doors and three windshield wipers. I learned a lot about Nissan: some models are well built (P/U's and BOF SUV's) other are trash (the ones with CVT's). Then last year it was time to replace the Xterra so I rented an Armada and a Tundra each for a week. I was in love with the Toyota but it was more expensive and had Turbos with two air filters and two separate cooling systems, this spelled trouble for me and went for old school V8. I Dodged a bullet!
I had been considering buying a new tundra but after all the issues I think I’ll just keep my 2017-1794 it’s been nothing but perfect and I just turned 100k miles and still looks and runs perfect. My wife drives a 2014 rav4 think I’ll get her a new rav4 park my tundra and drive the old rav4. Apparently I’ll not be getting a new tundra for several more years anyway.
Well that explains why my local dealer has 7 sitting out front for last 3-4 months. Been Chevy for 40 years and started looking into the Tundra with years of great reviews both friends and on the PC but having serious second thoughts now!
Toyota made a huge blunder by sharing the truck platform with the Land Cruiser SUV. To many compromises were made to share frames and engines. They should have kept them separate like in previous generations.
UnfortunatelyI experienced two time lost of power on my 2023 Tundra. It is still under warranty. I hope Toyota will replace a better engine. Thanks for the information.
Toyota really screwed up by replacing the 5.7 I-force engine and the old body style. These new things look like s**t with the low to the ground stance and unnaturally oversized, fragile and cheap looking front grille..:( On the contrary the previous generation were likely the best looking pickup trucks on the road from any angle.
Owned a 2001 Tundra and 2005 TRD both with the 4.7L and they were amazing trucks. Both had close to 300K miles on them when I sold them and they were still running great. Would not own a Tundra these days as they are not what they used to be, but still carry an elevated price. Very happy I went with a 2023 F150 2.7L STX 4x4.
I hope this is just growing pains with all the new turbo engines and not foreshadowing of things to come. But so far things don’t look good. There was also a manufacturing issue with the new tacomas front differential as well. So things aren’t looking great for Toyota.
@@youtubecarspottersguide1same tactics as any Government or big organization that fucked up. Bread and Circuses to the "Short Term Memory Fools" ! 🤦♂️
@@TheGettyAdventures it would definitely be better if they were replacing the whole engine and not just giving dealers a short block. I actually thought that was what they were doing until I watched this video
I'd love to see a follow up on this. I've enjoyed your truck reviews and your delivery, but this headache for Toyota is so hyperbolized that your mellow and even take is really refreshing. I hate to see the Tundra to have fallen after it's pretty stellar reputation with the two previous generations. I believe they've updated this now to being a complete engine replacement, but they aren't including hybrid trucks in the recall because even with full engine failure they can still move under their own power. Love to hear your take if you can find enough content on it. I'm on a Tundra forum, and it's full of great people, but I moved to an F150 Coyote to dodge the small displacement turbo mess that CA and the EPA are cramming down everyone's throats.
why the debris are not damaging anything else? why only the crankshaft? that sounds like BS, it seems like a design problem. The crankshaft bearings are of a new one piece design, with no individual caps. That may explain the unusual debris issue appearing in different manufacturing plants which is very weird.
So well said. From other videos, what may be surprising is that the issue may be at multiple engine factories, not just one as some implied. This is a bad look for Toyota's Kaizen tradition. My eyes are on the 5.0 Coyote F150 for many reasons, in-line with this and how poorly my 4Runner with the 4.0 did in towing. No, I didn't hurt it, it just didn't feel right even with a measly ~3500lbs load.
Toyota apologists cannot accept that a Ford truck is more reliable not “probably”. Toyota’s new CEO has been screwing the company. The Board should take action.
I think it’s a design problem since we’re seeing lots of 2024 issues as well and they supposedly fixed the debris issue. I’ll keep my 2023 Power Wagon lol. I also just bought a 2024 4Runner before they ruin that one as well!
Such a great video.. thank you for this good information! In todays manufacturing.. just can't get over the fact of metal debris left in the block from apparently machining operations! That spending a short block to the dealer is a crap fix.. only as good as the guy doing it.. in the environment he's in.. totally unacceptable imo! Glad I waited on a new Tundra....
Those haven't exactly been trouble free either. And now they want you to use Premium gas in them. I had a Titan. Loved it. Just saying, now they want 91 octane in a truck that only gets (with stock AS tires) 14 MPG on the highway going downhill.
I know its hard to trust any company these days but Nissan is the last on my list. They discontinued the Titan. They are not going stand behind it just like they didn't stand behind the Cummins they were putting in them.
@@alderringer8816 I have a 2013 Armada with a 108,000 miles and I absolutely love that 5.6 engine and transmission combination. I, also have a 2018 Tundra and love that engine too!
Toyota should make this right by redesigning the assembly plant and frame to accept the 5.7 V8 and offer that as an option. Watch how many people order the v8 over this turbo -6 abomination
Toyota has been proudly proclaiming they want to give their customers choice (ICE, BEV, Hybrid). Ok, so let them choose TTV6 or 5.7V8. See what the customer wants.
@@adrianw3985 from what I've read all NA models have their engines built here and shipped over. Overseas models with the V35a could be built in another plant like Tahara but for tax or regulation purposes it apparently works that way. That is why no other V35a recalls like for the 300 series Land Cruiser are present.
@@ALMX5DP All of these engines are Twin Turbo, there is not any NA version of this engine. I don't know where you are getting your information but it's totally off. I have a 100 series Land Cruiser. The 4.7 in those were built in Japan whereas the 4.7 in the Sequoia and Tundra's were built in the USA, as far as I know Toyota is doing a similar thing with the current LC and Tundra/Sequoia. The 3.5 for the LC300 is from Japan, the 3.5 for Tundra from USA. If you check out some other channels like Tinkers Adventure, he has a video up with a Tech from Lexus who has had 3 Lexus truck with failed 3.5's Do you have a source where you can provide your info? I certainly have been wrong about plenty of things in my life, but as far as I know the 3.5 in Lexus and 300 series LC is Japan made.
@@adrianw3985 NA was to indicate North American market vehicles. I couldn’t find information on the LS which has used the engine since 2017 but it seems like that at least initially started with engines from Tahara though I suspect had switched when the Alabama plant transitioned to making the vast majority of these engines. No definitive sources necessarily though press material and other reports do suggest Alabama makes the vast majority of this engine (think I saw a figure of 3000 engines built per day). Tahara seems like it would fit for the more bespoke models, perhaps LS, and international models like the 300 series.
It’s very disappointing and stressful knowing this safety recall can out many of us at risk as well as others. Toyota should replace the complete engines especially them knowing of the poor engineering design for over 16 months. No excuses Toyota get this resolved asap.
If the failure is actually due to a flaw in the design, they will have to redesign the engine to correct the problem before rolling out replacements. It won't do any good to replace a flawed engine with a new flawed engine.
I figured the ford boys would in here relishing the news of Toyotas woes ... Just wait .. they dont call them eco booms for nothing ... Terrible engines BTW with a bad track record ... I know , I get paid well to fix them and there is no shortage of work so save your money ....
If I were to dump all that money on a new truck and the engine failed almost immediately, I think the word livid would be an understatement. Realistically, though, half ton pickups aren't made for the working man anymore. They're for suburban dads to look halfway respectable when they roll up to the swim meet. I think enough people know that if Ford, Ram, and GM went with unreliable components such as this in their Heavy Duty and Super Duty trucks, those companies would lose their ass. I don't know what the percentage of truck sales is for the 3/4 ton and 1 ton pickups vs the 1/2 tons, but I bet that it isn't a gamble those companies want to take
As a mechanic with over 40 years in the trade I absolutely agree that people should not be getting an overhaul of their brand new vehicle. It only takes one tiny part to not get exactly the same torque as factory and even though everything seems done right there could be a major problem that shows up years later. I’ve known people who didn’t make it home from the dealership before a catastrophic engine failure and in both the cases I know of they let the dealership replace the engine, one of the vehicles ( a 2017 GMC duramax) had continuous problems afterwards, the truck never worked like it was supposed to and GM offered the guy a 1000 dollar credit on a replacement, crappy deal because he had to pay 35,000 to get a new one even though he’d never had his first one for more then a week or two at a time for the 6 months he owned it.
I wouldn't want a DEALER ASSEMBLED ENGINE if I was a Toyota customer, You didn't buy a $60,000 truck expecting the dealer ASSEMBLED engine comes with the truck, Toyota needs to come clean and give you a completely NEW FROM FACTORY ENGINE.😂
It’s all about design flaws, not a metal shavings issue. Engine failures, spinning main bearings, failed rear differentials, rattles, and cheap interior plastics. There’s more going on here than Toyota is willing to publicly admit.
The funny thing is Toyota had so many years to get this new truck generation“Right” ! They were last to the market with their new generation truck and it’s a total POS compared to the legendary durability of the 5.7 V8 Gen Tundras ! 😮 They say “Debris “ is causing these turbo V6’s to blow I say Bull crap! It’s a bad design! This story is only beginning for them! lol 😂 I really feel for the Guinea people who spent big money on these POS trucks based on the Toyota reputation!
The problem is manufacturers fire well trained mechanics and hire cheap labor to put their vehicles together, it’s all about the bottom line. There are obvious repercussions.
I don't buy the debris excuse in the engine, I heard the problem is in Alabama and Japan. Has Toyota gone woke, check and see if Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street own large shares in the company. This looks like the Boeing situation.
Love the channel. So, we know which Toyota truck engine you prefer. Also, we know you prefer the simpler V8s from the big 3 in terms of reliability. I would love to see a ranking of all the half-tons, regardless of manufacturer.
Why would you make a wear part only accessible by removing the cab. So pretty much every Tundra at some point in its life will have the cab removed yea no .
Toyota has hid this problem from their customers for over a year while this video says he's giving Toyota "the benefit of the doubt" and this is your favorite channel?
Man this is killing their reputation
Is it? I would guess that a small sliver of people are watching you tube or following the situation that closely. Heck even i do and i was still considering buying one. It's not like there's a ton of choices or anything.
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments its all over the major auto journalist outlets and even news. NHTSA is on it too. People do not only get their information from youtube...
@@eriktinaj8741 Donald Trump is all over the news too and half the country is ready to vote for him. What's your point? People hear what they want. And they have short memories. Even studying these, if you can even retain the facts, they all kinda lousy. You settle for one that has just as many problems as the Tunrda, maybe even more. Just like with the US presidential election, if you want a pickup, you have very few options. None of them great. All of them overpriced pieces of garbage.
The unintended acceleration recall of 2007 (biggest Toyota recall) didn't seem to affect their reputation. Toyota's reliability really depends on certain models and certain years, they are not 100% reliable.
@@charlotteblanchet2515 I think they're crap and I'd still buy one. What else are we going to buy?
Most automakers seemed to have stop caring about the quality of their product. They’ve raised prices and slashed quality control.
And why wouldn't they? People keep buying them by the millions every year, so the manus have zero incentive to stop. Trucks are also their highest-margin products typically, so until everyone decides to downsize to 4-cylinder midsizers and trucky cars, and/or go electric, Ford, GM, Nissan, Toyota, and Ram will just keep making these things.
the recall won't fix the problem with exploding engines....now it is Toyotas reputation exploding
@SurelyYewJest Most new car buyers don't watch YT videos like this.
The old advice is : Do not buy the first year of a new design
Yep now days its less for more .....typical bidenomics
It's government mandates on fuel efficiency. Automakers are scrapping reliable V8s for overly complex, highly wound V6s in order to get a 1-2 more MPGs
Toyota is lying. The same issue is occurring with Lexus products built in Japan with engines made in Japan rather than the tundra engines made in the US.
I do like Toyota, and no doubt they make a great product, BUT I agree with you. This isn't metal shavings.....there's something wrong here.
@@joeb2588yeah, if the pristine engine fab couldn’t keep debris out imagine the dealership!
Apparently all V35A-FTS engines are built in Toyota's Alabama plant. Lexus models made in Japan have the engines shipped there.
Your correct. Hyundai told us the same thing in 2012 when they started having engine issues. Worked for them for 10 years, engine failure replacements until the day I left up too 2019 models. Then again with the redesinded engines. This is a pretty normal "go to" for a car company when they have this issue.
@trevorharley4475 hyundai was using water jet deburring out of the Alabama factory, and it didn't work. That's what I believe happened...
I believe your correct about Toyota not replacing the whole engine. Metal could still be in the Heads.
If metal or debris is in the oil it will be everywhere. you can flush it out all you want but the only real true fix is the replace the engine as a whole.
Yeah, they're not going to replace the entire engine. It would cost Toyota billions of dollars to do so. Keep in mind, Toyota is in debt. They will probably offer an oil inspection and extended warranty, while continuing to offer a short block replacement for those affected. But as you said, this is just the tip of the iceberg, especially with 2024's still having this issue. I feel bad for 3rd Gen owners dealing with this. Imagine spending over $60k on a brand new truck then having to worry every day that it might blow up or leave you stranded.
@@alexmseu You do know what a "SAFETY" recall is right? They will have no choice but to replace the engines due to crash risk, Kia and BMW have done this before also
@@mr.monkei I am well aware of what a safety recall is, I'm just not convinced Toyota is going to completely replace 100, 000 engines.
@@alexmseu What other choice they have? You think the NHTSA will just let Toyota rebuild the engines? The problem could still exist. The only solution would be to replace the entire engine. An extended warranty wont happen because again its a "SAFETY" recall
Toyota replacing engines with a short block is short sighted IMO. I would not want it back.
Nothing is more painful than paying $60-80k for a new Tundra, have the engine fail and leave you stranded, and Toyota tells you they're going to have some guy in the service department rebuild your engine using mostly old parts. You no longer have a clean, factory-spec, factory fresh engine in your expensive new truck, you have a rebuilt engine put together by some guy at the dealer in your brand new truck. It's just not the same, even if it runs fine.
AGREE 100%!
We don't know the full details yet. If the top end of the engines are destroyed there is NO WAY Toyota would not replace them.
If you want a Tundra, buy those remaining older used 5.7 trucks while you can...
@@warg333 good stuff bro
I know a guy that traded in his beautiful 2017 Tundra crewmax limited for a Jeep!!… omg…like dude are you retarded? 5.7L’s are still available… but numbers of them are dwindling. … quickly.
they all went up in prices after the recall was put out.
Got a 2014 1794 in Bronze with the 5.7 50,000 miles on it. Just came off a 4000 mile trip 3 days ago ran great change the oil every 5000 miles did all the differentials Fluids and put new tires on before I left, came back with a 1200-pound load..
I know a guy that had a beautiful 2017 Tundra limited in white… 50K on it and he traded in for a jeep!! Fuckin idiot!
To the contrary, I’m keeping my 2019 1794 till the wheels fall off!
That sucks for the current Tundra owners with a turbo, as the resale value just dropped to nothing. I certainly wouldn’t want to roll the dice by being one of those used Tundras.
If the truck is past the first or second oil change, it's probably okay. Mine is. And 18 months into it, it runs perfect. Better mpgs than stated, and tows like a beast.
@@jphillips472agree
$30k+ engine replacement if it grenades. Buying a used 3rd gen is a massive gamble and the used market will reflect that. The oiling system and bearings are being pushed to the limit with this design. Toyota would almost have to detune the engine and offer a major extended warranty to save resale value for current owners.
This is going to have a RIPPLE effect across the ENTIRE Toyota brand. Toyota has had a nice "ride" that has come to an end!
And specially dont buy the 4 runners with the v6. Taking of the metal (yes metal) skid plate takes forever just for a simple oil change. It would've been easy if they put the filter on top like everyone else because then you would just have to remove a tiny metal piece held on by two bolts to drain the oil but no, they wanted us to suffer.
Again proving that Getty Adventures is the best channel ever!
Thank you sir!
I agree, your videos are great. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
A year ago, I began seriously looking for a full size truck to replace my Tacoma. The 2023 Tundra had me captivated but after a bit of research, I decided to hold off and see if the reported problems in the latest generation were isolated incidents. In November, a beautiful 21 Crew Max with 16k miles popped up. I bought the truck and am so glad that I did. I am in love with the old, outdated, unrefined version and plan to grow old with her, Lord willing.
Do you have the 4.6 or 5.7?
@@bluesky-ud9wg 5.7. Don't hold me to this, but I think that's all you could get in a Tundra in 2020/21. Love the engine.
@@mtmarcy4495 The 2nd Gen Tundra ended in 2021
I THINK the 4.6 was the base engine. Sorry I read your post wrong
@@mtmarcy4495 Great engine, sure it is a gas hog but I'd rather pay for gas then huge repair bills!
Who would have thought that Ford would have built the better twin turbo 3.5L ? Theirs never had these issues and they are proven solid engine if well maintained.
They have a lot of experience building garbage engines but they get it right occasionally. Until they revamp the perfectly good engine and blow it up again.
Yeah but problem with the Ford 150 or higher trucks is their engine is strong but the inside is plastic and cheap quality. Why would you buy their cheap quality at almost the same price of a Tundra?
Except for the timing chain phaser issue. Also, leaking oil pans that can only be remedied by replacing it with a full aluminum pan.
@@TheHailstorm77because Tundras have low payload capacities. I couldn’t find one at my local dealer that had over 1600 lbs. Ford offers max tow package which can tow up to 14,000 lbs
Not sure where you are hearing that but Ford is having a similar problem. Just doesn’t make the headlines because it is expected from ford
The grille is nauseating to look at. They should do something about it while they are working on these trucks.
The Sequoia front end looks great. Tundra horrible. I suspect a front end change will be coming soon.
It's a truck. Are you going to drive it or are you going to make love to it?
it's like the mouth 👄 of a blowup doll
They went from one of the best Trucks, appearance and reliability to the worst in both categories imo.
@@danielbonner8309 i had a first gen tundra and thought it was pretty homely as well but whatever
I think there is an inherent design flaw or oil flow issue. There’s no way that some Tundras are failing at 40-60k miles due to “manufacturing debris”. Thats simply not plausible as debris related failures tend to happen fairly soon in the engines life. Additionally, there have been some 2nd engine failures reported as well as multiple hybrid engine failures. That could be technician related or tech not cleaning all of the components that oil flows through. Like you said, there is certainly more to this story. I’ll be curious to see what Toyota comes up with and what the fix is.
Absolutely 💯
Good point. Debris failure should happen much sooner.
That's what I've been saying too. Blaming it on debris is a convenient excuse. Hyundai used the same excuse when Theta II's were eating bearings at 20-30k miles. It's gotta be an issue with the oiling system or that unique aluminum crank bearing cap cradle.
Corporate Toyota is pushing the debris narrative because it's more advantageous for their bottom line. Why use the debris excuse? Now any 2022+ Tundra owners that have been excluded from the recall don't have a design flaw they can point to in a class action lawsuit if engines continue to fail. They'll be told that their engine failed for a different reason or that the owner was at fault for the failure.
The failures are happening at 10k miles, not 40-60k miles. Toyota has been clamping down on news of this for over a year.
@@rand49er not according to a Google doc from the Tundra forums. All filled out by owners with very detailed info. A handful of 2 time failures, hybrids and even 1 2024 in that doc. One shows 60k, there are others in the 30-40k mile range as well.
I worked in dealerships for 23 years I was rebuilding a 3.8 in a jeep putting rings on the piston 5 feet away guy with a grinder blowing sparks at me .. all I can think of was when I was at the training centre and the instructor telling me to be surgical clean when putting together an engine 😂
It's just a garbage Chrysler anyways
Jeeps are finally getting a better look but it’s the worst car to ever invest. Dont understand why so many buy a Jeep Rubicon but you will always dumb consumers.
This is EXACTLY why you leave engine rebuilds for an ENGINE REBUILDING FACILITY, not a car dealership!!!
I painted cars at mechanic and body shops ! You do critical work at night when no bodies around .
Thanks for letting us all know you're a total CLOWN and scumbag mechanic! We figured!
Screw that I would want a completely new engine! What about the metal going through the top of the engine?
Toyota must make this right for there customers.
Have you seen the videos of them doing the short blocks on this truck. Its crazy!!. I wouldnt want the truck back.
I call bs on the machining debris, more like a design flaw!
Could be.
Who knows whether it's BS or not, but it is a valid thing that can happen. It's a problem that happens in other manufacturing segments with far more extreme precision targets, so I think Toyota's explanation is feasible.
@SurelyYewJest I can see possible debris in some but not that many. Maybe bad bearings from the beginning, engine can't handle the turbo boost and so on.
Yeah, no way is it debris if they are going with a short block. It's gotta be an issue with tolerances or oiling issues
Here's the kicker: the hybrid isn't included because when the engine fails, the hybrid has enough power to move you safely off the road. Lol. So it's not a "safety issue" with they hybrid like it is with the regular 3.4. I'm sure that makes hybrid tundra owners all warm and fuzzy knowing their engine is not getting fixed but they're just going to leave you hanging high and dry so that when you're towing one day BOOM.
It could fail after 60000 miles warranty period.
And that's exactly why I don't get why so many guys simp for Toyota. They're a greedy sleazy corporation like all the others. I always roll my eyes when someone reports their new Tundra needs a new engine or transmission (yes the 3rd gen has been having transmission failures too) and the comments will be "That sucks man good thing you own a Toyota. They stand behind their products and will make every thing right, no questions asked."
On a side note, it would be cool if Toyota offered the 5.0 out of the Lexus rcf
Good idea. Tuned for torque and the 10 speed would be a nice option.
I really wish they put V8s back in trucks my eco boost gets 12.2 mpg and has had a blown turbo and left me stranded twice under 100k miles
@@ethanyates28 got to be honest bro, that sounds like operator error. You should never be getting below 16mpg in a ecoboost unless you’re overworking it and not doing maintenance correctly. Good news is, if you want a v8 Ford will still happily sell you a 5.0
@@NINE-PACK it’s not tho every work van in our fleet with the EB had turbo problems I’m the only person who still has one because it’s under warranty still. And as for the coyotes I Love those engines they sound and move great just certain years have a few problems.
@@ethanyates28 What generation EcoBoost are they? If they're from 2011-2013 those have the most problems. The EBs after ~'17 should be good.
That said, V8s are not long for this world. It's just a fact of technological advancement and evolution. Eventually someone will figure out the sound thing for smaller engines and electrics so you can have it without needing the V8, and have a more efficient engine with fewer parts. Everyone talks about dumping high-tech V6s and I4s and going back to NA big-displacement V8s, but trucks started with I4s and I6s. V8s were themselves a later advancement. Gas and diesel V8s will live on in the Class 2-7 segments for a while, still, but there's already a rumor that Ram is going to port over the Hurricane for HD service. Ford surely is looking at doing the same. GM and Ram are both looking at using a single base engine for their gas and diesel HD offerings, as well as other ways to pull consumer power into commercial applications with more reliability and lower emissions. I personally wish someone would do a hybrid HD powertrain with start-stop and regen, diesel or gas. The only reason we don't already have such products is because the Big 3 have consistently hit back against the EPA with respect to metering commercial emissions. But climate change won't allow HDs to continue as they are; again, another fact of our reality, one that we all had a hand in forcing on ourselves.
Tech to tech. Its not limited to 22-23 or to non hybrid models only.
There have been quite a few 2024's with the exact same failure. The debris theory is one of convenience for Toyota's bottom line. Why use the debris excuse? Now any 2022+ Tundra/Sequoia owners that have been excluded from the recall won't have a design flaw they can point to in a future lawsuit if engines continue to fail. Toyota will argue that those engines weren't affected by the debris recall and there are no design flaws to blame for the engine failures, and owners will be told that their engine failed for a different reason or that they are at fault for the failure.
I believe it's a design issue. They are claiming engines after Feb 2023 have better cleaning procedures, yet 2024 Tundras and Lexus which have engines from different factories, are having failures. Hybrids are having failures. Expect the recalls to be expanded.
I agree. It's a design issue not unlike the 5.0 cummins in the Titans. Likely poor oiling caused by an anomaly in the casting or just an unlucky design when 3 sets of unlikely circumstances happen the #3 journal gets starved....or something like that. What a bummer for these owners and everyone involved.
Proof?
Unfortunately, this engine recall isn't the only manufacturing problem these trucks have. Aside from the attrocious quality control coming from the San Antonio plant, the truck is riddled with several design flaws. Just look at how that front grill is designed. Great for air flow, but awful for protecting those 3 massive radiators from debris. These trucks are not made with the same QDR of Toyota's past. Sadly, it has taken a massive engine recall for people to start paying attention.
Keep up the great content!
Toyota has denied engine rebuilds under warranty for people who have changed the oil at jiffy lube with 5k miles and one guy had a dirty air filter. The cost for the motor rebuilds is 28-38k. The best thing to do is trade in your 22-24 for a 21. But 21 prices have sky rocketed. The 24’s arent recalled because they want to be able to continue selling them
No, the best thing to do it to trade your Tundra regardless of GEN3 or GEN2 on a F150. It's the best truck with the best powertrains. If you're worried about all the 10R80 failure hype then I recommend dropping the pan at 30K after it's broken in well, adding a new filter, and fluid without a flush. A new pan with a drain plug is also preferred.
Rumor on the street is no one is taking them on trade with these nasty recalls out on them…
I cannot believe I am saying this but, I’m super lucky I bought an F150 instead of a Tundra. It came down to the V8.
How people blindly trust Toyota vehicles and Toyota in general is beyond me. They have a history of lying to their customers. It's in their culture.
@zombieslayer556 yep dealers won't take them in on trade was just talking to a dealer today.
Engine blowing up isn't the end of the story, the transmission is also blowing on the new Tundra and Sequoia.
Yeah that issue has flown under the radar with all the attention being directed at all the engine failures. My neighbor's truck needed a new transmission shortly after he bought the truck. Then at 23k miles the engine blew up too.
@@karlschauff7989wow. Thank god I did not buy my wife a sequoia.
Really?? dang Toyota putting out some junk this is gonna hurt them bad
This is not a debris issue. This is an engine design problem. The main bearing is not secured enough to handle the power and pressures this engine produces.
Ford took cues from their diesel engines on how to secure the main bearings.
I doubt Dodge will have the same problems because they went with the straight 6 platform.
Undersized main journals
Yeah watch. Dodge will have problems with head gasket failures between 3 and 4.
Well it won’t happen as soon as as the Tundras. We have wagoners over two years old with the engine and no issues
@@ohioguy4326 soooo, a jeep engine is the same as a toyota engine…..
I guess I am the bad guy here, for telling my story....
My tundra is a 23, and is amazing. I have a B&W flip over ball, and use this beast to pull heavy trailers, it has an air bag system, and thus truck has power that is unbelievable in the low end of the powerband... I have never had any issues, of any kind, and I am amazed at every time I hitch... Fantastic truck, no issues, and massive power with little work...
I wished that u had if opted for a larger fuel tank, but has been an awesome ride...
True Story.....
It's really a shame. The 5.7 is wonderful..
Toyota no different than anybody else they get something good they wanna change it to something that's unproven they ALL do that now they building JUNK!!!
"Machining debris" should affect more than just the main bearing. I think the issue is the cap bracket design and I think Toyota doesn't want to admit that they made a bad design.
I had a 2013 Tundra with the 5.7 and that was such a solid rig. I missed it when I swapped it in.
So glad I kept and maintained my 1st gen. It runs great.
As many are commenting that the engine debris doesn't fly as an explanation. It would have been noticed early on in the casting and the die plant before the iron sleeves were pressed in
Debris in the engine doesn't just hang out for 20-30k miles and then suddenly decide to flow into the main bearings. It's just a convenient excuse for corporate Toyota that owners have to just accept. Why use the debris excuse? Now any 2022+ Tundra owners that have been excluded from the recall don't have a design issue they can point to in a class action lawsuit.
You are such a gentleman to put things so lightly! Toyota is deliberately ruining their entire lineup of trucks and suv’s. Very gracious of you to give them the benefit of doubt! Thanks for the video
You are correct. As Toyota continues to stonewall their customers, this video is all about Kool-Aid sipping and giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Nonsense, Toyota would never "deliberately" ruin their main business. There's a century of continuous improvement in their culture. Don"t say stupid things.
Now’s Toyotas chance make the 5.7 V8 available in the new truck with the 10 speed bet it would be amazing combo in the new generation
Imagine. those things would sell like hot cakes.
Its just not gonna meet govt regulations its never coming back
As a note, in 2010 Toyota issued a recall for 270,000 Lexus vehicles with the 4.6L V8 and 3.5L V6 engines for valve springs that caused catastrophic failures.
I don't like that Toyota sat on their hands, but that's why I wait a few years before buying something with a newer engine design. Plus, I'm likely getting a hybrid engine because that's where the tech should be going anyway (not EVs).
Excellent overview and advice. I'll keep my 2018 5.7.
Keeping my 2013 5.7 103k miles so I'm good ... price of a new one ,buys a lot of gas pays insurance etc. like the new sequoia TRD off-road but more of a 3 row luxury family school bus , but dont trust it towing my airstream don't want a break down at 2 am maybe in 2 yrs once the bugs are gone might look for one on my want list is the Lexus GX550 overtrail opt to delete the stupid 3rd row and moon roof
It's really too bad Toyota didn't "revamp" the 5.7L. instead they built this rather disappointing high strung V6.
@@TheGettyAdventures Or at least kept the 5.7L as an option!
@@TheGettyAdventures Nissan Titan seems to be very good at this point. I would appreciate a video on the VK56 , if possible.
The issue with the Tundra also scared me away from the Hurricane engine. But hey, maybe this is an opportunity for Nissan, if they haven't already retooled their Titan plant, maybe they can actually manage to sell a few units with their 5.6. Maybe people will give them another look.
I've been waiting for another video on the tundra! Your reviews are literally the only ones I trust. Very well explained, thought out and seem with no bias
Bought a 2024 SR base model 2WD in Dec. Had to have a work truck. 14k miles so far. Awesome driving and towing truck. No real issues yet. Keeping my fingers crossed. Did get the 80k warranty though. I guess time will tell....
Trade it. Find a clean 2nd gen while they're still plentiful. Resale values on 3rd gen Tundras are going to tank, including 2024's. There have been 2024 Tundras with the exact same bearing failure issue. As someone else here pointed out, the hybrid version of the engine wasn't included in the recall because the hybrid has enough power to move you safely off the road in the even the engine fails. Therefore it's not a "safety issue" and they were excluded from the recall. This is all just a PR game to make it look like Toyota found the issue and is fixing everything. They are not. They are gas lighting.
@@karlschauff7989 I hear ya but I’m not to the chicken little stage yet. It’s not making any weird noises. Still runs good. As an engineer that knows a little about machining, I still think it’s either a cleaning process problem, which is the same process used in Japan, or its a manufacturing variance in tolerances or gaging. I think if it was purely a design weakness, there would be thousands of failures after 2 years. And these engines have been tested for hundreds of thousands of hours in all types of environments before production. I just find it hard to believe they wouldn’t have had a main bearing burn up because it wasn’t getting enough oil because of the design. Now I might be wrong, but that’s just my personal opinion at this time.
What a colossal face plant by Toyota.
And yet customers continue to drink the Kool-Aid.
Actually, they don't know what has caused the failures. They said it's a "possibly" that machining debris that "may" not have been cleared from the engine. Those are conditional statements, just a guess. They don't know what's wrong with it.
This is very true, we could see this continue to develop.
Will Toyota also replace the turbos when they go out from the debris in the oil?
And take the cab off the frame again!
It sure does make me really appreciate my 2003 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner even more & it only has 66,000 original miles on it & still running strong. 👍❤️👍
You are right about these CORP...TOYOTA should have jump on Tundra's engine issues in 2022 instead they push it right to 2024 models.. QUALITY is gone to HELL they need to change there thinking before they DESTROY there reputation.. Toyota is starting a recall of 100,000 trucks there is probably more to come.. Toyota should be replacing these engine with new crate motors NOT SHORT BLOCK engines.. These engines are very complex today they are not like the 1960's or 70''s engines .. I read about the nightmares about the short block being replaced 2 or 3 times on the Trucks... These V35A-FTS 3.5 Twin Turbo engine and looking into what they changed the way they secured the Main Bearing caps by using a LADDER FRAME system made from Aluminum could this be the problem or oil starvation or machining work ?? . Toyota today is telling us that the issues are cause by filings left in the engine manufacturer are they being TRUTHFUL on that .. I own a 2023 Tundra with 600 miles had to replace a Front Differential and Transfer Case it took over 3 Months to repair . My DEALER was very helpful they gave me a new Tundra to use and the Toyota Corps also compensated me as well .. My FIRST oil change at 1,200 miles NOT AT 10,000 Miles what they Recommended. The first oil change is VERY Important to get rid of Micro filing from the internal engine .. I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles, 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..I've had engines with over 325,000 miles the only problem is the Body's don't last in the NORTH of Canada .. My engine is running fine right now with 14,000 miles ...I'm playing Russian Roulette with this engine ?? TOUCH WOOD WE'LL SEE ...
*_"...I will NEVER change oil at 10,000 miles, 5,000 miles is MAX PERIOD with FULL Synthetic..."_*
Amen to that! People have to understand that ALL TYPES OF OIL begin breaking down after a few thousand miles, regardless whether it's conventional or synthetic. And it's not just the oil itself, but also the FILTER will begin clogging up within the same time frame. This in turn will reduce oil flow, and thus, prevent proper lubrication of the engine. These auto manufacturers (INCLUDING TOYOTA 😱) are DELIBERATELY misleading people into prolonging maintenance intervals, in order to nudge them into buying (or most likely, LEASING/FINANCING) a new vehicle SOONER. Hell, the metal shavings may also be deliberate for the same reason!
Also, there was apparently a "changing of the guard" at Toyota's HQ in Japan a few years ago. That may also explain the decline in quality. All I can say is, thank God I got my 3rd gen Tacoma when I did, as it will most likely be my LAST new vehicle purchase.
The Entire engine has to be replaced, long block, turbos, oil coolers, every single thing that oil passes through
@@guildrichYep, cut the maintenance miles in half, oil at 5 not 10, coolant at 50 not 100, etc
" they need to change there thinking before they DESTROY there reputation"
Their, they're, and there...learn them. 🤣
Excellent video, especially your explanation and illustration on the dangers of debris, left after the machining process, ruining bearings. Just shocking that this has happened and affecting so many engines.
Toyota should of just put the 10 speed behind the 5.7.
I agree! And added the cylinder deactivation too stay within emission requirements. That’s the whole reason for these v6 turbos and v4 turbos on vehicles.
no thanks. cylinder deactivation is trash.
Wow. The information provided here was so much easier to understand due to the Tundra in the background.
Most importantly, turbo and main bearing failures made more sense when he explained them near the open hood, because I always thought the turbo was a part of the AC blower fan and thought my main bearings were at the bottom of my seat cushion. I guess in modern Tundras they are in now the engine bay. What a drastic redesign.
Can you imagine a tech in the dealership trying to put that engine back together? Plus, the complete front end has to be lifted off the truck. Imagine trying to put that all back together torqued to spec perfectly, back together without rattles and missing parts. hahaha
And doing that to nearly 100k Tundras?
Torque spec at Toyota dealerships? LOL. They don’t
Even if they did long blocks there will be reassembly issues! Exhaust gaskets, cables, chassis misalignment etc.
The hydrodynamic forces, of the layer of oil keeps the metal parts from touching. The leftover metal debris, I would guess clogged the oil passage and starved some of the bearings... the solution is to replace the engine, that is really all that can be done.
Yeah, replace the engine with the older 5.7 V8
The metal debris theory makes no sense. It doesn't take 20 to 40k miles for metal debris to take out main bearings. They're doing the same thing Hyundai did when Theta II bearings were failing like crazy. It's the perfect way to weasel out of future lawsuits. Now all the Tundras and Sequoias that were excluded from the recall won't have a design flaw to point to if more engines fail and a class action lawsuit is formed. If Toyota admitted the oiling system has a flaw or the aluminum main bearing cap cradle design is to blame, all the Tundra and Sequoia owners that were excluded from the recall (including all 2024 models) can't sue and say that they were wrongfully excluded from the recall or that they suffered financial damage due to Toyota selling them a vehicle with a defective engine design.
You picked a good time to get a hemi Power Wagon! You're golden. Security at that Toyota dealer will have your picture on the wall.
I'm currently on my third Toyota truck (2020 Tacoma), and I truly think Toyota has lost their way. My plan is to drive my Tacoma indefinitely, even if this means replacement of major components like engine or transmission.
Take another sip of that Kool-Aid.
I used to work summers at a Toyota shop so I know they built great cars, personally I've had Corolla, Camry and Land Cruiser. Then I chose XTerra instead of FJCruiser because the FJ was odd with just two doors and three windshield wipers. I learned a lot about Nissan: some models are well built (P/U's and BOF SUV's) other are trash (the ones with CVT's). Then last year it was time to replace the Xterra so I rented an Armada and a Tundra each for a week. I was in love with the Toyota but it was more expensive and had Turbos with two air filters and two separate cooling systems, this spelled trouble for me and went for old school V8. I Dodged a bullet!
Dude, you've been lied to. It's a design problem with the engine. 🤷
You can not say for sure. It's possible with both
I was a die hard Toyota fan and bought a 2024 tundra hybrid. 2 months later I got rid of it for a f150 powerboost. Way too many issues!
Thank you for passing on the Kool-Aid.
I am glad that I got a 2020 v8 tundra.
I bought my 21 knowing the new gen was coming out.
So glad I went older school 😊
You betcha! Got a 2020 Platinum, 5.7V8 for the win. Domestics are crap, especially F150 and Ram
The bread and butter of Toyota corporation is Rav4 and Highlander. They simply don't care about Tundra and Tacoma anymore.
I had been considering buying a new tundra but after all the issues I think I’ll just keep my 2017-1794 it’s been nothing but perfect and I just turned 100k miles and still looks and runs perfect. My wife drives a 2014 rav4 think I’ll get her a new rav4 park my tundra and drive the old rav4. Apparently I’ll not be getting a new tundra for several more years anyway.
Buy American.
@@rand49er no such thing anymore. All the parts are made in china and assembled in Mexico.
Well that explains why my local dealer has 7 sitting out front for last 3-4 months. Been Chevy for 40 years and started looking into the Tundra with years of great reviews both friends and on the PC but having serious second thoughts now!
Toyota made a huge blunder by sharing the truck platform with the Land Cruiser SUV. To many compromises were made to share frames and engines. They should have kept them separate like in previous generations.
UnfortunatelyI experienced two time lost of power on my 2023 Tundra. It is still under warranty. I hope Toyota will replace a better engine. Thanks for the information.
Toyota really screwed up by replacing the 5.7 I-force engine and the old body style.
These new things look like s**t with the low to the ground stance and unnaturally oversized, fragile and cheap looking front grille..:(
On the contrary the previous generation were likely the best looking pickup trucks on the road from any angle.
Excellent video Alex, appreciate your honest opinion and I'm with you on Toyota's decision to do the bare minimum. Shame on you Toyota!!!!
The remedy is a brand new, properly made engine. Preferably the V8.
Owned a 2001 Tundra and 2005 TRD both with the 4.7L and they were amazing trucks. Both had close to 300K miles on them when I sold them and they were still running great. Would not own a Tundra these days as they are not what they used to be, but still carry an elevated price. Very happy I went with a 2023 F150 2.7L STX 4x4.
This new gen tundra has been a NIGHTMARE 😂
That's a funny statement coming from a guy driving a pos Dodge, 🤣 Ram, king of turds
The most awarded most reliable pickup RAM-1500 KING OF TRUCKS @@spud2727
Fantastic information delivered well with no stupid intro or annoying music. I love your PW!
I hope this is just growing pains with all the new turbo engines and not foreshadowing of things to come. But so far things don’t look good. There was also a manufacturing issue with the new tacomas front differential as well. So things aren’t looking great for Toyota.
yes Toyota had issues with the 3.0 1988-1993? blown head gaskets , they will work it out in a few yrs people will forget about it ?
@@youtubecarspottersguide1same tactics as any Government or big organization that fucked up.
Bread and Circuses to the "Short Term Memory Fools" ! 🤦♂️
I think Toyota will iron all these issues out eventually. I think I would have more sympathy for them if they were replacing entire engines.
@@TheGettyAdventures it would definitely be better if they were replacing the whole engine and not just giving dealers a short block. I actually thought that was what they were doing until I watched this video
Good job with this review. I WAS considering a 3rd Gen.... I think the other shoe has yet to fall.
It will be interesting to see what Toyota ends up doing. Hopefully they will Iron everything out.
Rusty frames, now engines . POS should sum it up.
Brah they replaced the rusty frames… and least they fix their shit unless domestics
Only the frames that were supplied by the Dana corp.
You forgot about the unintended acceleration problems that Toyota blamed their customers about. There's a history here.
And what do you drive?
@rand49er That issue went all the way to nasa,for investigation.Nothing found.Just people looking for a law suit
I'd love to see a follow up on this. I've enjoyed your truck reviews and your delivery, but this headache for Toyota is so hyperbolized that your mellow and even take is really refreshing. I hate to see the Tundra to have fallen after it's pretty stellar reputation with the two previous generations. I believe they've updated this now to being a complete engine replacement, but they aren't including hybrid trucks in the recall because even with full engine failure they can still move under their own power. Love to hear your take if you can find enough content on it.
I'm on a Tundra forum, and it's full of great people, but I moved to an F150 Coyote to dodge the small displacement turbo mess that CA and the EPA are cramming down everyone's throats.
why the debris are not damaging anything else? why only the crankshaft? that sounds like BS, it seems like a design problem. The crankshaft bearings are of a new one piece design, with no individual caps. That may explain the unusual debris issue appearing in different manufacturing plants which is very weird.
So well said. From other videos, what may be surprising is that the issue may be at multiple engine factories, not just one as some implied. This is a bad look for Toyota's Kaizen tradition.
My eyes are on the 5.0 Coyote F150 for many reasons, in-line with this and how poorly my 4Runner with the 4.0 did in towing. No, I didn't hurt it, it just didn't feel right even with a measly ~3500lbs load.
Toyota apologists cannot accept that a Ford truck is more reliable not “probably”. Toyota’s new CEO has been screwing the company. The Board should take action.
100%
I think it’s a design problem since we’re seeing lots of 2024 issues as well and they supposedly fixed the debris issue. I’ll keep my 2023 Power Wagon lol. I also just bought a 2024 4Runner before they ruin that one as well!
This seems to be presented as an engine stalling issue. Yeah, it's stalling. It's blowing the f up.
Such a great video.. thank you for this good information! In todays manufacturing.. just can't get over the fact of metal debris left in the block from apparently machining operations! That spending a short block to the dealer is a crap fix.. only as good as the guy doing it.. in the environment he's in.. totally unacceptable imo! Glad I waited on a new Tundra....
Getting a Nissan Titan pro 4x, screw that V6
Those haven't exactly been trouble free either. And now they want you to use Premium gas in them. I had a Titan. Loved it. Just saying, now they want 91 octane in a truck that only gets (with stock AS tires) 14 MPG on the highway going downhill.
You dont have to run premium fuel in the Titan. You run premium only if you want the full 400hp and 413lb of torque.@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments
I know its hard to trust any company these days but Nissan is the last on my list. They discontinued the Titan. They are not going stand behind it just like they didn't stand behind the Cummins they were putting in them.
Great trucks and I own one for 7 years. Buying a 24 probably next week. At least they have a100k mile warranty on the power train.
@@alderringer8816 I have a 2013 Armada with a 108,000 miles and I absolutely love that 5.6 engine and transmission combination. I, also have a 2018 Tundra and love that engine too!
Happiness is a 22R that runs like a Swiss Watch. Great Videos Alex Thank You 🙏
Yup. Got an 81 pickup that will never ever die.
Toyota should make this right by redesigning the assembly plant and frame to accept the 5.7 V8 and offer that as an option. Watch how many people order the v8 over this turbo -6 abomination
I would trade in my 2023 5.0 F150 day 1. If not, toyota is cooked.
That’s definitely not going to happen.
Toyota has been proudly proclaiming they want to give their customers choice (ICE, BEV, Hybrid). Ok, so let them choose TTV6 or 5.7V8. See what the customer wants.
There is a reason why they are not using the 5.7 anymore. Do your homework.
Something told me to stay away from these when they first came out, glad I did.
New TSB! ALL Tundras will be replaced with 5.7 V-8's.
Quickly becoming my go to car channel. Good stuff man.
There have been some Lexus LX600's having these failures... those are Japan made engines.
All engines are made in the US according to what I have heard. Japanese vehicles have powertrains shipped there for final assembly.
@ALMX5DP No... Tahara Japan.
@@adrianw3985 from what I've read all NA models have their engines built here and shipped over. Overseas models with the V35a could be built in another plant like Tahara but for tax or regulation purposes it apparently works that way. That is why no other V35a recalls like for the 300 series Land Cruiser are present.
@@ALMX5DP All of these engines are Twin Turbo, there is not any NA version of this engine. I don't know where you are getting your information but it's totally off.
I have a 100 series Land Cruiser. The 4.7 in those were built in Japan whereas the 4.7 in the Sequoia and Tundra's were built in the USA, as far as I know Toyota is doing a similar thing with the current LC and Tundra/Sequoia. The 3.5 for the LC300 is from Japan, the 3.5 for Tundra from USA.
If you check out some other channels like Tinkers Adventure, he has a video up with a Tech from Lexus who has had 3 Lexus truck with failed 3.5's
Do you have a source where you can provide your info? I certainly have been wrong about plenty of things in my life, but as far as I know the 3.5 in Lexus and 300 series LC is Japan made.
@@adrianw3985 NA was to indicate North American market vehicles. I couldn’t find information on the LS which has used the engine since 2017 but it seems like that at least initially started with engines from Tahara though I suspect had switched when the Alabama plant transitioned to making the vast majority of these engines. No definitive sources necessarily though press material and other reports do suggest Alabama makes the vast majority of this engine (think I saw a figure of 3000 engines built per day). Tahara seems like it would fit for the more bespoke models, perhaps LS, and international models like the 300 series.
Toyota should buy back all affected vehicles and give credit towards a new one.
How long do turbochargers usually last? (~150k) Repairpal quotes 6.2-6.8k for r&r
For me I would avoid turbo engines at all cost and stick to the good ol' NA V8.
It’s very disappointing and stressful knowing this safety recall can out many of us at risk as well as others. Toyota should replace the complete engines especially them knowing of the poor engineering design for over 16 months. No excuses Toyota get this resolved asap.
If the failure is actually due to a flaw in the design, they will have to redesign the engine to correct the problem before rolling out replacements. It won't do any good to replace a flawed engine with a new flawed engine.
Me watching this with my ecoboost going strong with 0 issues. 😂
How about the countless other recalls?
@@kaseyc5078 haven’t had one, fake news bro
My ecoboost is also going strong 😂
Love my 2.7 Ford!
I figured the ford boys would in here relishing the news of Toyotas woes ... Just wait .. they dont call them eco booms for nothing ... Terrible engines BTW with a bad track record ... I know , I get paid well to fix them and there is no shortage of work so save your money ....
If I were to dump all that money on a new truck and the engine failed almost immediately, I think the word livid would be an understatement. Realistically, though, half ton pickups aren't made for the working man anymore. They're for suburban dads to look halfway respectable when they roll up to the swim meet. I think enough people know that if Ford, Ram, and GM went with unreliable components such as this in their Heavy Duty and Super Duty trucks, those companies would lose their ass. I don't know what the percentage of truck sales is for the 3/4 ton and 1 ton pickups vs the 1/2 tons, but I bet that it isn't a gamble those companies want to take
Bring back the 5.7 V8! These newer Toyota’s are cheap unreliable throw away vehicles! Wouldn’t touch one!
The Toyota miracle. Contaminated oil that flows thru main bearings that never takes out cam bearings.
Sold my 22 Tundra. Went with Ford F150.
As a mechanic with over 40 years in the trade I absolutely agree that people should not be getting an overhaul of their brand new vehicle. It only takes one tiny part to not get exactly the same torque as factory and even though everything seems done right there could be a major problem that shows up years later. I’ve known people who didn’t make it home from the dealership before a catastrophic engine failure and in both the cases I know of they let the dealership replace the engine, one of the vehicles ( a 2017 GMC duramax) had continuous problems afterwards, the truck never worked like it was supposed to and GM offered the guy a 1000 dollar credit on a replacement, crappy deal because he had to pay 35,000 to get a new one even though he’d never had his first one for more then a week or two at a time for the 6 months he owned it.
I wouldn't want a DEALER ASSEMBLED ENGINE if I was a Toyota customer, You didn't buy a $60,000 truck expecting the dealer ASSEMBLED engine comes with the truck, Toyota needs to come clean and give you a completely NEW FROM FACTORY ENGINE.😂
It’s all about design flaws, not a metal shavings issue. Engine failures, spinning main bearings, failed rear differentials, rattles, and cheap interior plastics. There’s more going on here than Toyota is willing to publicly admit.
The funny thing is Toyota had so many years to get this new truck generation“Right” ! They were last to the market with their new generation truck and it’s a total POS compared to the legendary durability of the 5.7 V8 Gen Tundras ! 😮 They say “Debris “ is causing these turbo V6’s to blow I say Bull crap! It’s a bad design! This story is only beginning for them! lol 😂 I really feel for the Guinea people who spent big money on these POS trucks based on the Toyota reputation!
Toyota's reputation is all about people drinking the Kool-Aid and ignoring the problems with the help of Toyota covering them up.
The problem is manufacturers fire well trained mechanics and hire cheap labor to put their vehicles together, it’s all about the bottom line. There are obvious repercussions.
I don't buy the debris excuse in the engine, I heard the problem is in Alabama and Japan. Has Toyota gone woke, check and see if Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street own large shares in the company. This looks like the Boeing situation.
Love the channel. So, we know which Toyota truck engine you prefer. Also, we know you prefer the simpler V8s from the big 3 in terms of reliability. I would love to see a ranking of all the half-tons, regardless of manufacturer.
Why would you make a wear part only accessible by removing the cab. So pretty much every Tundra at some point in its life will have the cab removed yea no .
the Ford Superduties are the same way. just so much packed into the engine bay without much room to work on anything.
@@TheGettyAdventures Good to know.. love the mechanics perspective. great channel!
Please do an engine overview of the 5.7 like you did for this one please! I love to see all the features and engineering of it.
thanks to the EPA and other "green automotive policies"
My favourite channel! Such good truck content. Love the logo and waiting eagerly for some merch!
Toyota has hid this problem from their customers for over a year while this video says he's giving Toyota "the benefit of the doubt" and this is your favorite channel?