INTJ vs Ti-dom (ISTP & INTP) w/ AsuraPsych, LiJo, Holly, Spacey, Binyamin, Michael, Josh & Dominic
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- INTJs compare and contrast their type with Ti dominants (INTPs & ISTPs).
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I know this is totally unrelated, but Joyce is rocking that black top.
Thank you SO much, @Syed Mazhar Hasan. 💕
Unrelated to that, Joyce is rocking that huge brain.
@Mr X Related, your sister is as overused as the word simp.
@Mr X You can't compliment anyone these days without being called a simp
What an Se comment!
It depends. It ALWAYS depends. You just learn to say ‘it depends’ in smarter ways because people get annoyed by that.
@f z by goedel's incompleteness theorem, it always depends
Situation always dictates.
I love how you can tell in the face of INTJs when a new thought or conclusion arrives at their head.
It's funny, I've noticed that the most emotional part of the intp is it's desire to learn things.
Not practiacal things, not things that they're going to use in the future, just the knowledge for it's own sake and the logic that can be understood within it.
Joyce with another banger! This was perhaps my favorite of the series.
Being a Ti dom, I live for NT battles...er...comparisons. lol
Some people call them arguments bt we call them discussions :D
Ti dom conversations, no matter how heated it gets, are still conversations haha~ (INTP with ISTP brother)
Really relate with Asura's chemistry comment. "How am I going to use it?" Exactly. I buy a good number of books on interesting topics that I just never get around to reading, since I don't think I'm ever going to need it for my goals.
Loved Holly's comment at 28:10 Re Ti-doms refining other people's logic/what they say. I didn't even realize that I do this constantly! I find that I might "get ahead of" the conversation and want to ease the burden of the other people in the convo (Weird little Inferior Fe wanting to help by interrupting...) by trying to let them know I already know what they're saying... but to help, not to show off or dominate a topic.
If I end up wrong and the person says "No, actually..." then THAT is even MORE interesting for me since I get a chance to get some unexpected information and reform the framework(s)!
(This was great fun, by the way! I love talking with INTJs, they somehow know JUST how to give me Te data in a way my Ti allows, even more so than Te doms!)
I relate, even as an INFJ - big time.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I actually theorize that I become more comfortable doing just this (from a helping perspective) after being in a 10yr relationship w/ my INFJ (now) wife! So it's not that surprising to hear. :)
You all know just how to make the INTPs w/ Fe problems feel safe and welcomed!
I have been doing things like that since I was a kid
INTJ here - first time on your channel and I really enjoyed the discussion. I gained a lot of insight.
Welcome aboard! Happy you enjoyed watching, @Chroma Film TV. :)
That was awesome! I really enjoy getting to hear the perspective of Ti doms (and other INTJs as well). I rarely meet them in real life except for my ISTP brother but otherwise, they've always been a bit of a mystery to me.
I'm a Ti dom from this video and even I have barely ever met any Ti doms, haha.
Do you think you've met some but haven't recognized them to be Ti doms? I wonder if they're harder to notice then other types because their tribe function is demon Fe. They don't have a confident external function and prefer to blend in.
Phrases like 'I use Te when ...', 'my Ti helps me with ...', etc. make typology in some areas much foggier than it needs to be. It feels much more as if your consciousness is the PRODUCT of the cognitive functions, instead of their orchestrator.
It is clear to me that most of these statements were made in retrospect and in the spirit of rationalizing specific patterns of behaviour, but in doing exactly this, a type, as the interplay of certain functions, gets reduced to a mere interplay of behaviour.
I think most of the people on the stream do fully acknowledge behaviours in a type varying significantly and up to a point, where it is extremely unreliable to type people based on behaviour alone; yet these discussions do not reflect that at all.
The whole approach on discussing functions is purely Te in this video. The idea of breaking something more complex (like a type) into less complex parts (like functions) and dealing with each of these smaller parts individually, while still claiming to get a representative understanding of the whole, is the essence of Te.
Understanding this helps understanding why Te is anti-creative. Te represents a mindset in which everything is the mere sum of its parts. Therefore, creating cannot mean anything more than stacking given pieces together. These pieces may already be products of even smaller pieces, but no matter how far you retrace this process, there will always be a beginner set of pieces that were FOUND, not created. (therefore 'anti-creative'.)
The synthetic element of Te always stays in the sphere of stacking and connecting and is, as a result, lacklustre and of little use on its own. It is because of this, that some parts of typology overgo the synthetic aspect of Te as a whole and present it as a function of purely analytical essence.
Ti, on the other hand, is the function associated with the synthetic part of thinking. Ti would never break things down to understand them, as it expects the object to be always more than the sum of its parts. In its analytic facet, Ti is more aggressive to the structure (ordering) of the object, while always keeping the wholeness (completeness) of the object intact. (bending or twisting instead of slicing)
Jung explained Ti's creative power by claiming Ti is always adding a part of the subject(-ive understanding) to its product, therefore creating something that is literally more than the sum of its parts. Ultimately the WHERE of this little extra piece does not matter (at least from an introverted perspective). The more one orients towards the visible rules of nature externally, the less one will understand and trust the concept of synthesis as the essence of one's own creativity.
As science is a 'purely Te' approach, while also possessing undoubted credibility, I often get the feeling that people mimic the scientific/Te style of presenting something whenever they do not trust their underlying inner motives of expressing what they want to express.
Especially in typology one seems to feel almost pressured to do this. Everybody firmly clings to examples left and right and connects one’s own ideas to real world phenomena as fast as possible, etc. The credibility seems always to be found from outer sources, not in any way inside. Still, I wonder why this is the case in a discussion of 9 introverted types that clearly seem to be interested in introspection.
I think people feel pressured to do this to get heard; either way they seem anxious not to be taken seriously, even in a such a small niche like typology, where everybody seems to be quite like-minded, or at least, accepting.
And how do people in typology react to it? YES, make things more scientific, therefore more credible! Look at Objective Personality. To be clear: Not in any way is there a problem with this channel or the people behind it. I just bring them up to shine a light on the underlying trajectory typology seems to head towards, with OP as a trail blazer that attracts large parts of the scene to follow it’s direction (again: which is not their fault, at all).
My guess is, that this is nothing but partaking in a losing race. Why not just go for behavioural psychology right away? In the end it is the same with just cleaner and refined scientific concepts. The true value of typology that exceeds the capacity of anything purely scientific will get lost by making it more 'hard-sciency'. Its roots in semi-spiritual ideas, which do without any connections to any specific religious thought and instead take the bare sum of human experiences as its only basis are, in the end, what makes it interesting for people, engaging and fun to talk about.
People decide what helps them, or at least they decide what seems worthwhile to them; science does not. These days, where you can get guided help from all kinds of sources, the question may be allowed, if it is not just enough for something to be fun and engaging.
For me, typology is exactly that: A fun way to analyse and compare people’s actions in - and reactions to the world. It offers a vocabulary for communicating complex things in detail about all kinds of human experiences, and, in my experience, typology attracts a lot of other people for this exact same reason.
So, why even bothering with science? Why not just forming an opposing statement by sharing experience not necessarily in a scientific/Te/proving manner; just talk about interesting things, connect them, compare them, break them down or combine them? In the end, this is what intuitives want anyway, but it feels like everybody needs to be reminded or even relearn this uninhibited style of communication.
Maybe this is a worthwhile subject for a discussion on a typology channel.
Still Joyce, I like your style and hope I wrote something that in some way can refine your thoughts about something within typology.
My thoughts on Ni/Ne:
While judging functions can be explained to some extent by focusing on the nature of their products, perceiving functions must be handled differently. You might say that the isolated product of what you perceive is your observation, but this is misleading in the sense that, again, you don't use your function; instead, you are the victim of them and always on the receiving end where the observation is already a product of a mix of your functions. (Reaching a state of pure and unjudged perception is one of the most difficult things to achieve according to any system that deals with cognition).
This means perceiving functions can be better described by focusing on their process, not their product. The trademark of intuition is its general expectation that reality is always hiding the most juicy fruit. Even if they do not notice it, for dominant intuitives, observing means discovering. There is an always present defence mechanism severly downgrading everything that 'jumps right to one's eye'.
On some level, intuitives are in constant contact with the object of perception, interrogating it. For them, the information consists of two parts: One, that is readily shared by the object, and another, that the object tries to hide. This way, the object must be subconsciously personified, which can be observed in various ways when looking at intuitives. (Strong inclination to metaphors, emotional or intellectual connections to objects of interest, etc.)
By searching for the hidden, Ni is the function associated with looking inward, asking: "What does the objects influence do with ME?". This way, Ni is constantly self-referencing, screening the inner landscape for the exact impact the object had/has. That is why Ni is always associated to some extend with transformation (for example the concept of time in Socionics). If you (think you) have a clear understanding how every perceived object has exerted its specific influence on you, you can on a very fine-tuned level "go back in time", like imagining placing furniture in a room back to where it was at some point in time. Ni-doms often pride themselves with knowing what does make people "tick", but they first and foremost know what has made themself tick in what way, extrapolating this inner logic fittingly scaled to "read" other people. They investigate themselves before taking a calculated guess outwardly, that gets more refined over their whole life. 'The wise man RECOGNIZES all the faces from heaven to hell, when someone else describes them.', is the natural interpretation of being wise in the Ni essence.
On the contrary, Ne is associated with looking outward for the hidden. Again, the object with all its apparent qualities is of absolutely zero importance, while everything else that describes the object without (ironically) being the object, seems like a big win. Again, the style is that of an interrogation, so, the less the object gets directly described (classified), the more secret the information must be, therefore, the more sacred it must be. Ne's process contains categorical (literal sense) splitting. It automatically is concerned with what characteristics are needed to classify the object efficiently (information theory). For this, it needs the object to be static (Ni needs it to be dynamic). Socionics offers quite a great explanation of the static-dynamic discrepancy and its subtle implication. The Ne essence of wisdom is something like to realize that everything is One, after all, while not cutting any necessary detail (authenticity) out of any little part of the Whole.
Both intuitive functions may seem overpowered or at least detective-like, as they pretend to always discover something, one might have overlooked without them. As it is true that low intuitives really are in danger of overlooking certain aspects, high intuitives are no different:
If you look again at the process of Ni, you might think it does make sense on its own. This is misleading, as the above description silently implies that the object does exist with its apparent qualities. WHILE the object is there, Ni looks for its impact. But for Ni the object has no apparent qualities and is nothing but its impact. What’s impact exactly? Ni does not know. Only Se gives Ni a sense and place. Without Se it would constantly just see impacts (transformations) without knowing what is going on. Imagine a movie where everything changes, yet nothing happens. Yes: you cannot, even if you are Ni-dom.
If you consider Ne again, you may ask, what the problem might be here. After all, Ne manages to describe objects in a static way by itself. Ne references objects using other objects. How are these other objects classified? Yes: again, through references, and so on. There must be some point which brings matter and orientation into the weightless, but effective connections Ne weaves between the objects. It is the fundamental essence of a vector (in its geometric interpretation): A vector just describes the relation between two points, but no point itself. Only after connecting it to a specific point in space, the vector points to a specific other point. This specific point of weight provides Si, which acts like a dynamic reservoir of "internally perceived objects" -> you could say "one's imagined/intellectual history"-> you could say one's subjective memories. Knowledge (or experience) of the high Ne user expands like a web from a central point. This expansion in some way even has the capacity to tell the story of his/her life (to some extent, of course).
This way, intuitives are much less the detectives of reality, than they are busy dreamers. Detectives, or any other “hard-data agents”, “masterminds” and so on have indeed a requirement to get behind certain things, that are not immediately apparent. Another skill people of these kinds may need even more is to dissect the important from the less important; a requirement high intuitives show a phenomenal inclination failing at. For intuitives everything is necessarily full of hidden potential. If anything, the real privilege of intuitives lies in extracting the fascinating out of the ordinary. But being equipped to find the needle in a haystack does not necessarily make anyone a mastermind or anything like that (not even an INTJ), and it is precisely this misunderstanding of intuition what I think makes some tests or descriptions pure bs, that only attract people who are looking for a cozy suit shielding them from their own self-doubt considering their intelligence or personal potential in general.
If you want an explanation from a high Ni user, you will have to do the last part yourself, as the Ni user will inevitably stop before communicating the final connection, forcing you to 'walk your transformation of understanding' yourself. He/She will prepare you for the fall and then kick you out of the nest as it is common with some birds. While this might work exceptionally well with some people and rewards them with their own AHA-effect, other people will irritate the Ni-dom as they continue to wait to receive the final step like the prior part of the explanation. On some level, the Ni-dom will know very well for what the other person is waiting, but he/she will actively refuse to continue, as he/she cannot fully believe that SPOILING the other persons experience could in any way be the right approach. For Ni there is no understanding through second hand, as the initial impact of the experience with the object must not be filtered or altered in any way. This patronizing behaviour of high Ni types is characteristic in various aspects of life, as their underlying autopilot constantly suggests, that they know much better what people really want than people themselves do. These calculations get better with age and refined experiences.
If you want an explanation of a high Ne user, you better hope that your point of interest is not to close to the edges of his/her 'net'. As all information here tells some sort of story in a relational (geometrical, temporal, etc.) sense, you better bring time for a story. Explanations will always be motivated in a holistic way. Often high Ne types make bad experiences early in life sharing their understanding/knowledge, due to the time- and energy-consuming level of detail paired with an impatient audience. Adaptation through the lessons learned might reach from total ignorance to giving artificially shortened explanations in anticipation of negative reactions. Often high Ne users will feel bad after sharing their interests, either due to a repressed sense that the other did not listen anyway, or due to a feeling having things presented in a rushed or uninteresting manner in fear of time running out before attention drops too low. The feeling is: 'If I had more time, I would have given a better presentation', whereas high Ni users almost always blame the lacking participation of the other person for a, in their eyes, failed dialogue. (Ni types are the 'judgy' ones.)
@@user-ht7dz9jm6n Very interesting perspective
@@user-ht7dz9jm6n Have you written any other articles? I would be curious to read them.
Really interesting
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My sister is an INTP and I'm an INTJ. She typed as INTJ a couple of times and we both agreed that we do not think the same lol. One of our results had to be wrong. We took it again and she finally received INTP and it made so much sense. My youngest sister is an ISTP and I freaking love her lol. I also have an INFJ sister and ESFJ mom. We're a unique clump of humans. It's so funny to finally understand each other's functions now. My brother is an ENTP and omgosh... the amounts of debates him and my INTP sister always had throughout our childhood makes sooo much sense now 😂😂😂.
Anyways enough about me! This was a great video! I really enjoyed these conversations.
ESTP here, rewarding session, thank you for the beneficial content!
:) 💕 overjoyed that you gained value from this!
I LOLd at the friend / enemy comment for FE.
schmittian
That's what Fe stands for - Friend/enemy
loved it at 33:35 when Lijo messaged Dominic to move the mic a little, hahaha
i like how everything you say makes sense.
it’s great to see how all of you can clearly differentiate between Te and Ti without contradictions. what’s really interesting is that Te seeks out a purpose for learning something specific and picks out the points they need to go forward whereas Ti wants to take in all of the information to build their framework so it will be consistent over time and can be useful and logical in the future. i think that is a very important point
This was sooo fun!!! Loved it!
I wonder if the differentiation in “reasons” to support Ti translate into always seeing the “good” aspects in things and people despite also seeing the “bad”. Fi values weigh the experience or the value of what they like in people and things. There’s always a binary “good/bad” with Ti users and they have their reasons for both... just the good often wins out. With Fi users we can be less focused on why we like something, but more focused on what it does for us (objective) but don’t assign it good or bad (subjective)... that we like or don’t like something we accept both as true if that’s the case (flexible thinking).
For instance, I can say how much I dislike something and then turn around and contradict myself in still utilizing it (whether it’s a food/drink I hate that I consume or a person I dislike but will still talk to). Because even though my Fi doesn’t like it I utilize as a source of food that serves my hunger. Try getting a Ti user to do or like something they don’t like and they are quite immovable. It seems Ti users rarely contradict themselves because they will never bind themselves to something 100% if they are not 100% accurate, hence the disclaimer “it depends”... for them doing so assigns “bad” or “good” metrics of value. After all, they still have Fe.
Yess that’s so true, as a Ti user if I dislike something it’s usually after I have thought a lot on the issue and have a lot of reasons as to why I like something or not, and if so I just rarely do it because I have all these reasons. It’s like the reasoning is how I make my decisions, not the value of the thing.
This was one of my favorite panels so far. Not one dull moment the whole time. Very interesting group of people!
Great to hear, @Drew C! =]
The ISTPs fit between the INTP and INTJ functionally and as much as this conversation was about Ti vs Te, the ISTPs felt both out of place and relating to both. If you ever do something like this again and need an ISTP to chime in, I would join a chat. Cool video! Okay so I just saw the end and the point was brought up and the video had to end. Spacey, with his TiFe saw this quietness from ISTPs and wanted to include them into the conversation. Time was running out but I found it the most glaring thing during the whole video! Binyamin made a good point that we are giving different examples of the same context, while INTPs are more willing to change to a related context. INTJs are only needing "a" solution solution to a context. INTPs want to explore the abstract connection of contexts to understand a universal truth within the relationships of contexts. ISTPs want to make sure the context is understood. INTJs want to solve the context.
Absolutely. I also tried to get the ISTPs to speak too and I probably edited that out! Sure, I would love to possibly have you on a panel. Feel free to email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com and we can discuss from there.
52:00 _"Thinking doms will die om the hill for their argument."_ Right. My brother and another guy gets into epic arguments, like their argument on whether the top or bottom side of the slice of bread is meant to be buttered... Very important argument. They don't give up either.
xD
Sorry for the unearthing of your comment, but now I can't stop trying to figure out how your brother draws the line between the top and the bottom of a slice of bread. I mean, considering a semantically neutral slice of bread, both of its sides can be considered top or bottom indiscriminately, rendering the distinction moot in the grand scheme of things (as opposed to a particular slice of bread, one side of which would have been already termed top or bottom). Or is it a cultural thing? Is it in your customs to spray food on both sides of a slice? Butter on one, jam on the other, for instance, so that which ever side it falls on, the floor gets fed? Or were you talking about the layering of different foods on a single side of the slice (should the butter come undernearth the jam or the reverse)?
I do not get it.
By the way, I'm really talking about bread. No homoerotic inuendos here.
@@graeschnahmoffski5716 Actually it's probably the "rågkaka," with its boulders on one side.😅
@@oscarl.3563 Thank you for expanding the bread of my knowlege! But in that case, the answer is obvious : the bouldered side should be buttered, as it is the best way to maximize the volume of butter sprayed relative to the surface area, by filling the inter-boulder spaces. Unless one is on a diet I guess, or if this strange barbaric bread is of the crumy kind, in which case maybe buttering the flatter side might be less dangerous?
What I find interesting about Ni compared to Ne, is that while we Ne types may perceive that Ni perception comes slower than Ne, the Ni types fully integrate the ideas into themselves, as if they are updating their operating system. From that moment on, that Ni idea is fully perceived to be a truth. In all things they do after they have gotten that idea (insight), in all their perceptions and thus actions they will incorporate that new idea as it is a given. They sort of start viewing the world through that idea, like putting on colored glasses. In that sense it shows that it's ultimately still an introverted function and thus subjective. It will like other intraverted functions deeply consider things about the topic, but then come to a personal (subcobious) "conclusion" and can be a very deep truth, or a very deep falsehood. Similarly like other intraverted functions, It will take a lot to change that idea (whether that idea is true or not). So if Ni believes the butler did it, then it will take a lot to convince it that he did not do it, even though at some point proof may indicate he may not did it.
With Ne in us, I think we will not easily really update our operation system, because we are always looking from the outside in. We are not that Ne as much as Ni types are that Ni, as Ne are not really own our perceptions, but rather they are just perceptions. We will never fully believe in any perspective without looking at least still slightly looking at others, because Ne wants to remain as objective as it can be. When you are fully invested in one particular vision and look through one particulair pair of glasses, you're not really objective anymore (as odd as it may sound, Ne wants to be objective like all extraverted functions. However, other extraverted functions seem more often mentioned like objective). Because Ne wants to be objective, they will not easily be as fully convinced the butler did it if the proof is not hard enough.
Maybe this concept explains why there are some ESFP's who strongly believe they are INTJ's. Maybe their vision of balancing themselves out by focussing on these lower Ni/Te functions at some point leads them to fully start believing they have already become that INTJ person they aspire to be, based on their Ni vision and Fi desire.
I've not seen as much admiration in other types as much as ESFP's seem to admire (and _ want to be_ ) INTJ's.
Just some thoughts!
I am a dom Ni user and fully agree with your observations about the integration of ideas into the self once they have been discovered/solidified.
Well said!
@@kingben1216 With a name like aspiring mastermind, can I conclude you are an INTJ?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Yes, you can. Though in retrospect perhaps I should have chosen another handle that would have rendered me a bit less transparent hahaha.
@@kingben1216 Haha..why do you dislike being transparent?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Cause of Se inferior ( :3 )
From these reactions im getting a visual of:
IXTJ: best Te solution to build Ni/Si own info
IXTP: Ne/Se external infos to build complete Ti solutions
24:45 - Micheal intj: we have a tendency to ask broad questions. what is reality/truth? There are overarching questions that justify going all over the place...
1:17:39 - Josh intp: the way i visualize my mind is one really big [framework] and i can move between categories... everything is connected...
I have noticed that INTJs are very often making small movements during conversations. When they are speaking their gazes become very hard and direct, but when they are a step away, they move a lot with hands feet, etc. Movements like Asura and Michael are making at 1:21:17. It's maybe their inferior Se.
Holly is spot on at 11:40 .. INTJ Te is in service to Ni. Spoken like a true INTJ, so succinct and sooo true.
Dude, I was planning to do my nails and so ended up watching dozens of hours of nail tutorials and comparison shopping various types of nail enhancements. Ask me the difference between gels and acrylics all all the types of nail files... I think my manicure vocab has expanded tenfold, but it's absolutely not knowledge-for-knowledge's-sake. Still haven't done my nails yet--need to find all the right supplies now. [INTJ]
I think some of what you’re seeing here in the discussion between the Ti doms and Te users is that attitude we often have towards those with whom we share a function but in the opposite direction:
“I kind of get what you’re doing but it just seems like you’re using [blank] function in the wrong way”.
I am an Ni dom and can sometimes feel this way towards Ne users. I don’t mean that disrespectfully, but I think it’s always hard to shake the idea that the manner in which one uses a function is inherently correct since it comes so naturally to you.
Hard agree. We can definitely view the extroverted or introverted counterpart to our functions (ex. Ni & Ne) as 'doing it wrong' like you were saying! Nicely said, @Aspiring Mastermind.
1000%! (Sorry Holly!)
There's a dynamic with "superego" types I've noticed. (Ex: ENTJs for INTPs, ENFPs for INFJs) When you view your super ego types, you probably actually AGREE with a lot of what they're "here for". What they're actually doing and putting out into the world, or thinking, etc. However, it's pretty clear they're coming at it from a radically different angle than you. It's really fascinating to watch that play out with myself and my wife. ENTJs kind of fascinate me and frequently do the "Man, you can just DO that??!!" stuff that I wish I could, and she finds the same with ENFPs. (She's INFJ)
Whereas it seems like talking to people that share 50-75% of your functions but in different orders can perhaps be frustrating, because you kind of feel like "Well, why can't you just do it MY way? You're so close! Just DO IT!" :)
@17:05 I definitely relate to Holly more here than others. In certain cases, I enjoy and prefer depth because I feel like like if I "duct-tape" i wont have a full understanding of the bigger picture which Ni desires. Additionally, I think it's sort of pointless spending time on building this thing only to have it fall apart soon enough. It's a sense of completeness and sustainability that my Ni desires and since, INTJs have Ni over Te sustainability trumps getting it down quickly. However, this is specific to things in my career or things/concepts I intend to build on for the rest of my life and I wont spend that much time and effort on everything. I wonder if it's associated with being in scientific fields where you are required to be more rigorous with your reasoning as well as have it work in the real world. Whereas, more humanities or metaphysical topics are more up to speculation and interpretation. Also, I relate to the concept of doing "justice" to the concept because my Fi cares about being true to concept.
What a wonderful perspective, Rodella! Thanks for sharing. :) The Fi desire to 'do justice' to the concept is quite the admirable one.
Totally Rodella! I have thought that as well that it might be because of our scientific training which requires more rigor in your thinking. I might be more like Michael and Chris if I had not gone into science. I remember being called out a couple of times when I first went into grad school for not using my Ti enough (although they did not use MBTI terms). The person I'm thinking of was almost certainly an INTP female who I can give some credit for pushing me more into my Ti. And once you get a taste of that more in-depth thinking, you like it and strive for it more.
Dang, "duct taping" things really does feel like how I prop up some ideas. I can tell when the duct tape is something I put there (The "This is me" flag/tag I mention in the vid regarding Ti as identity) or duct tape that OTHERS put there, but I don't trust that nearly as much.
This is the exact reason I've bounced off the "hard sciences" in school. If something isn't at LEAST a LITTLE wibbly-wobbly, it feels... distasteful for me. Like... "Why even bother if I can't put my OWN spin on it? What's the point of finding something if ANYONE could have just looked there and discovered it?" This is why I personally refer to things like philosophy and other science-art hybrids as the INTP homeland. We think, therefore we are... more literally than most, I feel. THIS is how Ti resembles or is the flip-side of Fi.
@@vazzaroth That's very interesting. I've noticed this too in the xNTPs I know have penchant for more purely theoretical fields where they can build on their ideas without having the Te need to check it against the real world. For me, how the Ni-Te seems to work is when learning something new or finding a new pattern, my Te will have a need to check it against the real world before it can move on the to "next stage". For instance, can I apply this to solve a problem or make a prediction about how this experiment is gonna go? The Ni patterns are constantly refined in this manner. I do think exploratory science can be still "wobbly" as it's difficult to say things with absolute certainty. However, the idea is to come up with a model that closer each time. I think the main difference in science is that one can come to a conclusion but it has to be based on external evidence. I think Ni-Te (mostly when the idea has a purpose in the bigger Ni vision) has a need to see an idea through "the end" (the end doesn't have to be the ultimate end but to the point there is something that can be done with it) at least mine does.
For similar reasons I think, while I enjoy learning and debating things like philosophy, I tend to get tired at a point and be like "we can argue this on and on, and but we're never really gonna reach a conclusion" so those are where my duct-taped arguments come in and the choice is learn about it just enough but not super thoroughly. Also, in certain cases especially where Fi plays a role, I always state in my discussions that "I dont really have a way to back this up but I think this is right things."
Holly is kinda diffrent, more humble than other intjs, it can be becouse of her age
really insightful video, thanks Joyce! Would love to see an equivalent for Fi vs INFJ too
Great suggestion, Jon! I will tackle Fi-dom vs INFJ one day. :)
@@JoyceMeng22 Lovely!!
yess that would be nice :D
After getting out of depression I realized I mistyped myself before and now I'm binging your videos. Listening to these conversations helped me get get comfortable with the fact that I'm a thinking type because I always thought I was too emotional to be a thinker (even though others often told me I was "too reasonable")
The same was true for me. Because I’m so emotional and concerned about others, I always assumed I was a predominant feeler. I was attached to that idea and liked seeing myself that way. My analyst told me that I’m more of a “T” and that upset me. But later I understood that my feelings are so visible to me because they are a problem area, not a savior function. Due to inferior Fe, other peoples’ feelings are a problem too…and I thought that just meant I was caring!
17:00 holly is describing Ti critic. Meanwhile people are throwing ideas at the wall that don't stick lol
Yes, exactly. I was trying to get that across about 6th spot Ti and have mentioned in past videos that I feel Ti critic pretty strongly and consciously, for example when I am critiquing someone’s writing or speech (grammar, spelling and punctuation).
@@BeyondSustainableLiving as an INFJ Fi critic is VERY noticeable if the right circumstances happen. So I totally understand the idea you're conveying. Ti critic really helps sharpen the thinking of INTJs and guard against (for lack of desire to use a different term) stupid thinking/ideas they might otherwise absorb from others with Te.
@@NathanaelNaused Exactly (re sharpening our thinking). I didn’t say it but I won’t argue it 😂 (regarding your last remark)
It's ironic many chess players are intps,not intjs
yeeeeessss good comment
@@nataliewantscookies atleast we have Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov(maybe)
There are a lot of different types between the top chess players. For example Kasparov (considered as the best in history) is thought to be ENTJ and Carlsen (maybe he's the best?) ISTP. There isn't really a type that's clearly better at chess, we can only say that most of the people interested in it have a thinking function higher in the stack.
Intjs dont play chess we play CHESS
If you're playing CHESS with an intj chances are you'll never know what hit you
You'll just read it in the history books
Not surprised after all, I'm INTJ we're like "we conduce the game if this happens we need to use this situation" and then we get triggered that the other player just transform the strategy meanwhile INTP are like "if this happens we do that, if that happens we do this" and they are the ones that are more likely to change strategy
Totally agree with what Chris was saying about being recommended something... i like never look into peoples' recommendations. If i look into something it's almost always because i got curious about it from my own original thoughts or because i happened upon it in the adventure of life. If i was planning on buying a sports car and i had a friend that knows a lot about cars and he recommended a specific car, i would probably look into it because i was already originally thinking of buying a car and, seeing that he knows a lot about cars, his recommendation holds technical value to consider. But other than that i really seldom pay any attention to a recommendation.
I really like the intro on this one! Is my hunch correct that Michael had a hand in this?
About correcting people as INTP I'll be stating my correction confidently with the assumption that the other person understands that I'm open to someone correcting the logical structure or underlying evidence in my correction.
An implicit challenge to correct me back rather than just sit around feeling criticised.
joyce thanks a lot for these work! you are bringing together all these characters!
You're so welcome! Glad you like them. :)
@@JoyceMeng22 you are awesome Joyce, please continue!!! ❤️
Would be nice to have a part 2 where each individual is asked this question "What is the limit of thinking?"
Do INTPs and ISTPs value "thinking" more than INTJs? If the answer is yes, then the question becomes how much cross-talk is there between our type and our values? If an Ti-Dominant gets an insight that changes their mind about the value of Ti itself, would that change their personality in the long run?
Oh boy, I would be there all day. I would REALLY love to contrast an ISTP to an INTP there, though. Agreed.
For IxTP's the thinking function's in the top-spot instead of coming second. I don't think the second function's more or less valued. You could say the first function defines you the most and that makes it most valuable, or you could argue that since use of the second is a bit more scarce it should be valued somewhat higher. Value is so subjective. There's a good question in there, but it's not a matter of ascribing a subjective value.
@@fleetingfootnotes9133 Great comment. It would be interesting to do a survey where each type is asked which function they value the most and then compare it with their dominant (first function). Will be interesting to see a Ti-Dominant who values Ti vs a Ti-Dominant who values Fe.
As an INTP, i'm on a magical journey for the perfect truth re-imagined.
There's a great book for INTPs I highly recommend. I'm working on a review for my channel but it's called The INTP Quest by AJ Drenth. All of his books, so far, have been AMAZING for my INTP brain. Even when I'm highly skeptical about anything even CLOSE to "self-help".
I feel like a lot of mistyping can also come from a sinilarity about how in type mighte use their function in more similar ways.
I feel like the ne steroetype on being pretty chaotic in ones mind moreso applys to ne dominants and not so much auxrilary types. I guess espially intps can be internally really organized with their tertiary si and also filter things through their domaninat function which can make it seem like not chaoticially grabbing infornation tho usually they inxps also leave things more open ended while ni types usually have an endgoal in mind.
Also from what I've noticed from an outside is that all in types moreso add to prexisting topic instead of changing the road so much so both might feel similar or at least come of as similar. Maybe thee feel similar part might be why infps mistype as infjs even tho they know the cognitive functions sometimes.
I feel like inxxs usually in general have a usually more orginized approach. Even enxjs can sometimes come off as wayw more flexible and stuff because they tend use ni (at least from what I've noticed) more oppurtinistiscially.
Also funny that IxxP tend to mistype themselves as J types but it's rarely the other way round.
I agree with dominic. It really seems very hard to distinguish Ti and Te in real life(specially for me who knows very little about cognitive functions and its manifestations) Unless probably you live with the person and know what purpose is it for. I think that distinguish the dichotomy of the External/Internal functions
@1:06:40 when they are talking about the unknown i remember the ISTJ ISFJ panels before and their fear of the unknown. I forgot what it is that made them fear the unknown and why Ixtp and Intj will be more comfortable or curious about it
Inferior Ne makes Si doms unsettled about the "unknown"- as a concept, as a variable to the current context and as a present thing in their lives (generally speaking).
I agree with @@self7341 ... The inferior function is often a source of fear or insecurity. And Ne is representative of a broad range of possibilities that may or may not happen in the future. So since ISxJs have inferior Ne, they tend to have a pessimistic, fearful stance towards the unknown-- multiple things that could go wrong, unpredictability, chaos. They lead with Si, so they often like things to be predictable, decided, following a familiar routine (Ni can be similar in liking things to be decided and planned, but is more future-oriented and can be divergent/esoteric compared to mainstream thought and past traditions. That tendency of introverted perceiving functions is where the "J" (judger) stereotypes come from). An INxP, on the other hand, has auxiliary Ne, so it is not a source of fear or insecurity for them. Rather, it is a function they enjoy using. xNxPs in general will be more comfortable with chaos and the idea of the unknown. They are okay with leaving decisions undecided and not knowing what will happen in the future (this probably also contributes to them being seen as lazy). In fact, as an INxP, I can tell you that if everything is planned out and I know exactly what to expect ahead of time, it sucks all the fun out of it and situations become rather boring to me. I would rather have some mystery and surprise. Intuition likes to ponder "what-if...?" And people with Ne in the first 2 slots especially like to explore a broad range of multiple possibilities and avoid committing to just one. This is a differentiation between extroverted & introverted Intuition; introverted Intuition looks further into the future, but down a single path they've decided is best or most likely, while extroverted Intuition has a wider but less far-reaching scope across multiple paths.
Think about 4 different people looking at a map to plan a trip. The Si dom may plan out their entire itinerary, including meal breaks & stops to use the restroom (because they also have that internal bodily awareness of things like hunger, tiredness, bodily functions, etc) based on the route they have taken before, what they remember worked well in the past. The Ne dom may look at the map to brainstorm some ideas based on places they've been before that they remember liking, but they don't want to get stuck in a rut of the same old boring routine, or feel constricted by too much planning, so they may prefer to make decisions on a whim. To them, it's silly to plan too much anyway, because you never know what could happen (what if you stay longer at a stop than expected? what if there's traffic or a road closure? what if you change your mind later?). The Ni dom will be more comfortable exploring off "the beaten path" or doing something new, but they will not want as many options up in the air as the Ne dom. They have a long-term vision of where they want to go and how to get there. This is usually a loose, conceptual vision, as they are intuitives, so the sensory details may be a source of anxiety for them. But they are following a singular path like Si doms. Se doms on the other hand are also explorative and like to keep their options open, like Ne doms, but they are more likely to explore in a hands-on physical way than in an ideational, metaphysical way like Ne does. So they also would not want to plan out an itinerary (which would constrict their need for freedom), but they might want to do more physical activities while they are out. For them, Ni is their source of fear, so they might have one looming fear of some thing they are convinced is going to happen far into the future (compared to the Si dom who may fear multiple what-ifs in the nearer future). This is overgeneralized for the sake of illustrating differences, but I hope this helps.
@@self7341 It is the polarity of the two functions? Si and Ne, right?
@@heatherbryant4197 i see. Si in general is like data of what its known tried and tested procedures gathered in the physical world. And Si as dominant is like pushing the Ne possibilities to the back. And Ne is all about possibilities, it excites Ne.? Right?
@@hanjesse31 Yes, I can agree with that description.
INTP and I’ve never typed as an INTJ. I tend to type as either an ENTP or INFP occasionally. I think that’s partly due to being very strong on Ne. I also score quite high on Enneagram 4. The biggest difference I notice between INTJ and INTP for me was I tend to be more creative and depth oriented than my INTJ counterparts
thankyou for the new INTJ videos. Love them.
Glad you like them, Michel! More to come! :)
The ISTPs' silence is a bit intimidating (for lack of better words) because you know they're super-present and constantly analyzing everything you say (because that's how they roll). The INTPs are happier bouncing off others for perspective but you really see the Se/Ne difference. Just thots from an INTJ.
:)
The farting mic is killing me 😂
my money's always on the TJ's, though Ti doms may take this thing into overtime.
Get a Ti-Ne in there and we can basically filibuster forever! At least until the Fe gets uncaged. :)
I really dont know how I end up finishing each one everytime haha Really great content 👍🏾
Oh my--the intro and then the stares hahahahaha!!! The INT Somebody is behind the stares. Also, you want to see Te in action get an ENTJ in the mix... we will drive down the mountain to get things done and you’ll see the whole thing outside in the open ;). The INTJs will roll their eyes, follow it completely and laugh. The IXTPs will say woah woah hold up, wait let me catch up, I’ve only caught your first ten mistakes haha. Haha this was when I thought that I was an ENTJ before getting typed sigh….. Lijo kill my dreams any time girl…. Save me from myself ahah.
Pulled out all the stops I see :D this is gonna be interesting
:) I hope you enjoyed, @tigerheaddude!!
@@JoyceMeng22 I definitely did. Wish the ISTPs talked a bit more, always interested in learning more about them. I recently learned Shikamaru (Naruto anime character) is an ISTP and that kinda put things a bit into context for me as to better understand what an ISTP is. I always felt that shikamaru has an analytical way of thinking but that is slightly different from mine (intp) but could never put a finger on it, so home being istp makes sense
Wonderful meetup!! Thanks for putting this out for the mbti community! Found it especially interesting when you guys talked about knowledge for knowledge sake versus knowledge to meet a need. Just finished up reading Piranesi by Susanna Clarke and she dives into this same theme. I believe the main character is an INTP! th-cam.com/video/9lTgLCtUGfk/w-d-xo.html
@22:17 i see, so Ti is like absorbing informations like theories/concepts and understanding that information satisfies Ti? Ti dive deep in understanding and it makes Ti thorough and reach that satisfaction? It is efficient when trying to perfect something and it takes time.
And Te is utilization, what works now and what is not to reach the goal and filter it that way? I think it is efficient on dealing with things with time pressures and that needs decisions on a given moment
Broadly seen you're right about that Hanjesse
@@PowerRedBullTypology Thank you. It is really hard to distinguish the two for me specially if other tool functions are involved
Loved this. Would love to see a similar panel with ENTP and INFJs. would love to see differences of how Ne and Ni interact with tife
For sure! I will host an INFJ and ENTP panel one day when I get around to it. 🙂
And an enfp x infj and intj x entp would be cool too.
I love the difference in the way the three types make value judgements. ISTP seem to avoid speculation and prefer to test in the real world to see for themselves what is best. INTP prefer speculation, weighing their past knowledge with the future possibilities to build an understanding of truth based on what they know. INTJ seem to prefer a more pragmatic approach of finding something that's good enough to get the job done in a way that they are comfortable with on a moral level.
I am an ENFP 5w4 and have talked to many, many INTJ. We are typically (at least to all present appearance) neck and neck in comprehending each other. I am curious how that works? It is usually a very similar thought process. Relationships are short lived though, as we have different values or core beliefs, but on the surface, we connected very well. My bluntness has to be adapted to though. Also, I have found INTJ to be way more feeling oriented than myself (in some respects) - off topic but another observation. They sometimes get clingy, which surprised me. 👈🏼 Food for thought on other questions perhaps 🤔?
We get clingy because we value a single outcome with Ni. We want a single perfect relationship that lasts. We never want to be thinking "what if"?
@@EresirThe1st Regarding the clinginess factor: clinginess without verbal articulation / explanation of said singular outcome... are interpreted as controlling and selfish (in my experience), hence the short lived friendship / relationships eventually. All of my best friendships / relationships lacked clinginess, were (are) loyal, and are still pervasively strong presently. People need room for individuality in order to breath / flourish.
Wooow - that intro!
I'm guessing Michael did the intro and it was wonderful.; 9:40 great insight, agree.
Michael did make the intro & it is a fantastic work of art! Nice job spotting that, Ande!!
@@JoyceMeng22 Se inferior aesthetics forever.
Ah. My favorite types in one video. I enjoyed this so much.
Glad you enjoyed it, Mariel! :)
This was highly stimulating topics, I wish the ISTPs talked more though! We need more Se context in the typology community. I'm excited for the day when the NTP vs. NTJ panel drops. :3
Always a pure joy to see you in the live chat, Naisu! Yes, ISTPs tend to get quiet in group situations. I wished they spoke more too so we could hear their wonderful thoughts. :) NTP vs NTJ panel is coming!!
@@JoyceMeng22 ah! I wasn't able to interact as much today because I was so absorbed listening and I was late so everyone was seeing things ahead of me- I don't enjoy spoilers.
I notice this in my ISTP brother too- we communicate very effectively but he's more quiet than me (snark levels are pretty much the same, but he can do it with less words which is just ✨efficient✨). That third slot Ni of his seems more apprehensive than Ni dominant, so I like observing how he weaves himself through social situations. It's interesting to compare the two flavors of inf. Fe and learn from it IRL.
Here are my thoughts as an INTJ (at least according to online tests). I would say that I do not waste my time to just learn things that I can't use in practice. And the other thing is that I usually just have so much going on (work, projects, hobbies) that I do not have time to just learn new things or get new information just for the sake of it. Another thing that I discovered about myself some years ago is that I learn the best if I actually have a real life goal or a project in hand (the challenging the better) and then I learn as I go - this is the best way of learning for me. For example I am building one device and also programming it. About an year ago I knew very little about programming in Python, but now the main program is about 1500 lines + all the modules that I have written.
57:36 "This is _my truth_ is horsesh*t!" Truth is not an opinion! Not something in your head. It is something you may recognize then yield to. The ego resists and so you get a lot of people with their "own truths." Michael hit the nail on the head. It is very significant, though it ought to have more to do with spiritual development than type.
With some goodwill I might accept the notion if I can see what the other party is getting at and that is sound enough.
LMAO MICHAEL'S INTRO
9:58 - indeed man!
Michael saying "I know where to find it" -- 100% how I do things.
A bit frustrating when you all want to compare EJs and IPs. EJs are obviously different than IPs. But what about IJs? that's why we're here 😂
Asura not taking "like" suggestions: 100% me, I almost never even try something just because someone else likes it, unless the person that likes it is special to me.
As an ISTP when I was young I wanted to quickly hit the minimum. In my 40s I have the talent and focus to produce high end stuff but what I find important is to know when quality is needed. When doing work that I understand I was able if I could think through the task and push back and control all the work for perhaps up to 30 days I could give both production and quality. The thing is high quality is always slow and expensive. Once you can produce it, it I easy to let it become our identity and that is all we will produce. It limits us and holds us back. However I am finding that not having a comfort zone causes so much fatigue that it's no longer worth it.
Intj here. You can see the thought process of the intj when they are thinking. Subtle and a little quick too but the signs are there. All of the other types have a slightly different way of expressing thought through sub conscious body language.
Thank you for sharing 🙏. Fascinating stuff. I am an INTJ.
Wonderful! Glad you enjoy it. :)
Who knew Michael will be the funny one !😅
Even if you just appear to like something without reason, there are often still reasons why you actually like it. You are just not aware of the reasons why you actually like it. There is a mechanism behind everything, whether you know it or not. For example, if people hear music that does not obey to a structure that we recognize as typical music, most will instantly recognize they do not like, even though a lot of these individuals will not know themselves what the musical theory is that explains why they do not like it.
With Ti you want to break apart the liking into components (as deep as possible) and with Fi you want to keep it as a whole (not slice to pieces) because Fi likes the mystery more of not knowing it. It's like watching an illusionist doing a trick. The Ti's want to figure it out to feel satisfied and the Fi's want to enjoy the experience of the illusionist doing it's trick.
Bloody brilliant, @P O W E R - R E D - B U L L
@@JoyceMeng22 You never run out of compliments, do you Joyce? haha
I see. When Ti likes something, it breaks it down to its core why it likes it. That is probably why Ti can explain things it likes or not like it. Fi when it likes something it takes everything as a whole and can't explain specifically what is in there that it likes or dislikes?
I'm an INTP with a highly developed Fi and I've been playing guitar for 20+ years and I literally hate Music Theory (for a bunch of different reasons).
While I like to play and listen to complex and technical things, I feel the music more than anything. Breaking it down seems pointless because if it sounds good (to you), it is good (music is subjective). Deconstructing it also, as you've alluded to, takes away the mystery. I personally hate it when music becomes demystified. It's partially the reason I don't like playing with other guitar players other than bass guitarists.
@@kevrokka.d.9749 This, imo, is why Fi is considered a/THE growth function for INTPs. Like all personality theory, it's not that we CAN'T engage in that sort of thing, it just makes us uncomfortable so we seek to resolve the issues.
Now that I'm older (30's)and have seen many ways to "be", I am comfortable "just liking" things. But it's STILL flying in the face of my Ti trying to explain why, I am just allowing myself to not make that feeling the #1 priority at ALL times now.
Was not expecting Hegelian dialectics to come up here lol. It's definitely best to fully understand that dangerous concept.
It is not for knowledge sake. We need as much information as possible to see the future. It’s called background knowledge. This helps connect the dots. If we were only learning what we think we know we as INTJ’s and society would not move forward. Basically, no innovation. I am an INTJ and I learn as much as I can. I am a librarian so knowledge is important for me.
I don't know 🤔 I usually within seconds can tell you if I like or don't like something...But, the reason why is more difficult to lay my finger on but it's never personal. It is a technical point, such as balance, texture, taste etc
If you want to kill me start a conversation with my truth 🗡⚰
On the point of changing topic if it adds value or to clarify, yes will do but if someone changes the topic to something I cannot find the link to..the space analogy is beautiful ✨ and I don't come back lol However it will be filed and long hours spent trying to find the lost link.
I don't know Joyce if you truly appreciate how valuable these conversations are 🤷🏾♀️ thank-you.
Thanks everyone
INTJs and INTPs are convergent for the tasks they mostly do(organizing intuition with logic) and types most likely to be scientists, ISTPs have similar brain activity to INTJs according to Dario Nardi, so these can all look similar
also introverted intuition is a kind of automatic introverted thinking
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"also introverted intuition is a kind of automatic introverted thinking"
LOL somehow it feels like "I've thought of this subconsciously" as well. I think it to be "true".
LOL my last interview they asked me what should you do if you need to do it both right and fast, I said it's a system and it's mostly 0 sum unless you automate, but I think they didn't like that! 😜
uhhh yeah..nice intro music
I’m INTJ and really do not relate to what the INTJs said here. Maybe it’s because I’m 4w5 or maybe I’m good with critic Ti but I definitely feel the compulsion to explore lots of knowledge and at least be conversant with it, not just for narrow practicality but to feed my Ni so that it can make a unified theory of everything. My Te is there to chase Fi dreams, not to bind me to contextualising evidence and goals.
I also don’t feel a compulsion to stick to one topic, I love when Ne users ramble because it gives me an amazing window into many topics and into them as an individual.
If there were an old cell phone lying around , than i would hit a nail with a cell phone if that was the options .
Sometimes the value in taking in information for NI is just to absorb the concept so you can have an insight from it not necessarily so it can be used in some project.
9:50 extrovert functions are about the outside world itself, while introvert functions even Ni and Si filter the outside world to individual organization
I am an INTJ and there is no such thing as an objective truth. Literally everything we experience is filtered through our own personal perspective and understanding. We can’t read others’ minds so we can only assume who they are based on what they tell and show us. Which is inherently a distorted assimilation of reality. So in reality, everyone is already living their own truth.
Intps will debate you (and possibly insult you) til the cows come home.
Omg I'm looking at a screen of death stares. INTJ. Talking about themselves.
Lijo, I can confirm how hardcore triggered I was by your question.
I like how you always use a different adjective after someone talks lol... 🤣
Interesting... i just got a response from Dominic and he said he was leaning more towards INFJ for me, which you said you felt was off the table in your opinion... but listening to you talk about how perceivers often say "it depends", I almost ALWAYS think that way! Every situation is different so i can't even answer very well without know more specifics of the situation. And Obviously me saying this is more disqualifying me from INFJ OR INTJ and more for an IXXP type, so i'm really not trying to be biased or seen a specific way, just wanna know where i fit. I'm sorry if i've seemed argumentative. I don't mean to. Just wanna know what club i best fit into as i've never felt like i fit in well anywhere and i get lonely...
Hi Yoshi!! Definitely. I will send you an email about all this sometime tonight. :)
@@JoyceMeng22 i'll look forward to it :) thanks for the reply!
@UCnCHJl_0WB0Cag7fZCuWDFQ Yes, I understand that everyone has all the functions and the MBTI stack of four is just the prefered functions that best describe the default mode of processing information. I have strong Ti. Prefered Ti. I know this because I'm always analyzing everything and trying to logically deduct down to the truest logical conclusion with no holes. It's a default mode of thought i've been doing since i was young. But at the same time i don't think It's in the dominant position because it's not my main point of thought like maybe an INTP, but rather a tool i'm constantly naturally using as a strainer of info and as a blueprint of reality to give proper instruction on building my house of life with goals and such, but also just for the sake of knowledge as i become curious of various things and study them out. To not include Ti as one of my main functions would i think be doing injustice to explaining my type according to all intents and purposes of MBTI. So still not sure on my type.. i come across like an INTJ but with the added strong Ti. If one speculated INFJ, It seems I may have stronger Fi than Fe. When i listen to INFJs and INTJs talk, I relate to both. I understand how Ti and Te are working strongly together in my brain, but some say that's not possible. I also experience a conflict of Fi and Fe in me. So what am I? I'm not sure..
where is Chris' afroo
1:02:00 yes. I need to understand the Ti reason why I like something. I like puppies and guinea pigs and wooley bears because they're small, fat and squishy. Now, WHY I like small, fat and squishy things, I don't know. But I've never been someone to collect things because I have to have a reason why I like them enough to collect them, and there is nothing I like THAT much.
Do you not go the extra step to try and justify why you like small, fat and squishy things? I find myself doing that all of the time. I usually land in some evolutionary biology context, where I'm speculating what evolutionary purpose was served by that predilection. For example, it could be argued that babies are small, fat and squishy. Is it possible that we like small, fat, squishy things because doing so was instrumental in the development of our, relatively thorough, child-rearing patterns? Seems plausible. I find myself doing that all of the time, although I'll admit that I don't always find answers I think are satisfactory, I do generate some interesting ideas.
i get intj and intp a lot, sometimes entp and istp
I don't like uncertainty, I just refer to the ego-id range when it comes to how my mind, mood, behavior operate
INTJ V. INTP ISTP. I think it's a 1st. A whole screen of smiling and laughing introverts.
It's funny that when Michael is featuring extroverts with Te, he seems less comfortable in his speech.
I have never, ever thought I was a J type of any kind. 🙂
Social and family system pressure led me to test as INFP as a kid, but the P was never in question.
(ISTP)
Joyce, on the topic of Te speaking with confidence boldness.. would you say it comes stronger when Te is in the dominant function then ? For ex INTJ vs ESTJ or I guess it could also be put on the account of extroversion in that case..
Thank you
Most TJs will speak with a confident boldness, the ExTJs moreso, but you will still see this with the IxTJs.
I'm an INTP 5w4, there isn't even one😢 of those on there. (Maybe josh?). -and I've never been typed intj
ISTP I want to know what it is that I like or don't like about something. Feeling matters but if there isn't enough of the thing I like it will tend to get old quickly. Se is going to be a really powerful reason to like something. But if I can pick out what I like it will be more interesting. There is no judgment as to worth and I am OK haveing guilty pleasures and shocking ones can be fun. It's always a lot of fun as a welder since they tend to be viewed as masculine making it fun to enjoy girly pleasures. There is not a lot of need for any alignment I just want to know why I like something so I can go find more.
LiJo is not an INTJ, and has an ego fragile enough to shut down profiles of her on impartial sites dedicated to typology such as personalitydatabase.
awesome intro, love it
Glad you like it - it's made by Michael! He's quite the genius with intro cards. :)
Very intj like of Lijo to just dip out with no goodbyes or explanations 3/4 through the stream
Holly you're an ISTJ .
Is there a way I could have a video discussion with one of the certified MBTI practitioners to get me typed?
Hi Khalifa! I have typing services. You can email me at joycemeng22@gmail.com to learn more about it! 🙂
@@JoyceMeng22 Sounds good
I sent you the email :)
Holly and Michael can share what brand and model of eyeglasses are you wearing? I kind of wear glasses like that.
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Could this be that holly is a bit more consume?
Btw this is an example of OP being superior to twfp's system
😳😳 noice
(I say that as a twfp fan lol)
Not to cause drama. Just trying to steer the mbti in a direction that's gonna be good for humanity, rather than abit of a blind alley
All I gotta say is Michael is very hot. 😂
1:08:13 _"Ni is driven to take the unknown and make it into the known."_ /Spacey.
-With me the very opposite is true. My ultimate goal is to make the known into the unknown. To make the world wondrous. This could be called mysticism, a perspective to see the wonder of creation before you, so rather than see Spacey a 6feet, INTP with glasses I wear the rose-colored glasses instead. To make matter into spirit, into something beyond shape or form.
Ti does metalogic
Mama Lindsay is an angel 🍉😍🍉😍🍉😍🍉
Lin!