The woman in the middle is the smartest one there. the man on the right seems afraid to be wrong and very stubborn in what he thinks those other identities to be and talks about mbti being about transcending your type? Convoluting and confusing everything future. to me mbti is just a way of broadly organizing humans not to try to be something your not. the man on the left is definitely not a entj he goes on confusing rambles that go no where, i get the feeling the dude on the right was pretending to understand what he saying. but the woman she did not pretend. she called out the same things i was thinking which was intresting, and if i was in her postion with 2 guys assuming my mbti i would also quesiton if mbti was real but i do think mbti is real i think yall are just confusing and convulating. and i thinks its because deep down there are baises as to what personality you want to be subconciously im not convinced the guy on the right is a intj either but the dude on the left is absolutely not a entj nothing he says makes sense. like when he all my brothers are j's so i took on the role of p. It seems like you dont want to be a peciever. ----------------------------------- but what do i know im just a random highschooler with nothing better to do than be skeptical of internet people.
When INTJ Jon said that people should transcend beyond their type, what he actually meant is that people should become more than the stereotypes commonly associated with their type. Have you heard that INTJs can actually read people's emotions in the room and be able to respond to the feelings of the people around them and by putting effort to smile and being kind and respectful and loving to their friends and family, engaging in concrete reality and do exercise and go out and eat and have fun and play sports? Nothing like the INTJ stereotypes commonly depicted in TV shows and movies right? That's because every INTJ *should* learn how to transcend beyond their stereotype, such as overcoming their cognitive blindspot Fe, and essentially become their ISFJ Superego. The INTJ doesn't become an ISFJ stereotype by being this motherly person who is there for everyone's needs all the time, but it is possible for INTJs when they develop their weaker cognitive functions, and not just this aloof, cold-hearted stereotype who refuses to engage in their community. This essentially allows the INTJ individual become a well-rounded person as they age. Same for INTPs too. They need to overcome their blindspot Se by being present-minded and be engaging in reality, and learn how to look good with their dress and appearance, and be presentable, and even be spontaneous when making decisions; overcoming the INTP stereotype of just being this shut-in who is always in their heads doing the same thing everyday and interested in only the same niche all the time. Imagine an INTP gamer, but knows how to present himself well in appearance, knows his own style and be good-looking in public eyes, and is able to be charismatic with everyone around them simply by being present, therefore causing this INTP to look a lot more charming and nothing like an INTP gamer stereotype in first glance? That's an INTP who has learned put effort and become a more well-rounded person as they age.
We don't know who is the smartest. Only the WAIS IV test could judge of their intelligence maybe, even with that it's measure mainly the Ni Ti. Maybe intelligence is just about awareness/consciousness. The 8 functions are also 8 different intelligences. Yes INTJ we don't want to be wrong or say wrong informations, not stubborn but determined, just sure of what we are talking about. Everything they say make sense, maybe you are just biased by your T function as 3rd/7th position. No one of them pretend. They have fun (like indicated in the description), it's normal they don't appears like their natural functioning ^^ (4 sides of the mind, we all use all functions, we adapt to situations) Possible the only one confused is you, by your own functions/perception. (compassion : we all have difficulties with our lower functions)
Hello my INTJ nephew! I won't say anything negative but I do want to challenge a few of your assumptions hoping that you'll consider it and continue growing as a person. I 100% agree with your statement and Michelle is undoubtedly the most intelligent person in the room. You mentioned that she's not pretending but in actuality (previous to recording), she said she's going to troll throughout most of the video, which sounds like it was very effective. Mitt is a fantastic example of an ENTJ who learned introspection engaging with his fourth function, introverted feeling (Fi). He's a freelancer, do you know how difficult it is to find your own work as opposed to having a company find it for you? His Te offscreen is unfathomable to me. In regards to me coming off as emotional, it's by design. My entire channel is focused on breaking the stereotype of INTJs being cold robots and showing that it is okay for us to be goofy, annoying, or theatrical if we feel like it. @buizelcream explained it best in regards to what I meant by transcending your stereotype. The three of us are displaying characteristics that are not commonly represented by MBTI stereotypes because at the end of the day, we're all human and we feel and engage the world similar to all other types. I don't expect you to change your opinion after reading this response but I do hope one day you realize that people can't be defined by caricatures and that those caricatures should only be used as the beginning of the journey of typing and not the ending. Enjoy the rest of high school and college nephew, life is a million times better when you're done with school for an INTJ ✊
It's true I was intending to troll, but there was some truth in all of it. I am skeptical of how seriously some people take MBTI and the cognitive function orders and whether or not some people fit one type within the system.
Being an INTJ is not fun. However, being an INTJ is rewarding once you realize how other personalities are in the dark about possibilities and the truth about themselves. Our abstract thinking 🤔 helps us look 👀 at the big picture. By the way, we very much have fine and healthy emotions. We just don’t like to ask our environment/others to feed us. What the environment/ people have to give is laced with a lack of understanding and do not match the fine feelings we have. Essentially others support for me is a cold 🥶 comfort. For INTJ it’s like a 5 year old telling an experienced 40 year old how to deal with their problems. So, no sharing. I can help with emotional support if I choose to not because someone demands that I do 💋
Michelle is definitely an INTP. She thinks things through & questions her own logic a fair bit. Instead of dismissing the possibility, she seems to accept it, although she's not fully convinced. Now, onto the end question. I'm an INTP, but I'm also aware that MBTI isn't all encompassing. I actually did the reverse of what she did. I had a sort of identity crisis in my mid 20s. I went through the whole Astrology thing, did alot of research on that, but found inconsistencies in that, so then just made my own way through. Then I discovered MBTI through philosophy & that's when I started noticing the connection. That being that they're both based on personalities to a degree, the only difference being that I've found women are more influenced by astrology (personal observation). Everyone has viewpoints & influences. Incorporate everything you've learned - life, astrology, MBTI, everything. Use that as a gauge of who you are & create your own belief system..... Atleast, that's what I've done. 😅 At the end of the day, you're still you & still an individual. Keep up the excellent work, Jon!
lol right after i wrote that comment the dude on the right said 'you might be a entp' after previously being confident about sensing Ni. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it makes no sense at allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
bro after that time stamp like 30 seconds after he says astrology has practical matters and then he says naw i forgot mine it doesnt matter XD he had to be trolling wtf thats so funny
Thanks for responding to that! I agree with what you're saying at the end. I see both as useful and fun to explore even though I'm skeptical. My thought on astrology in a nutshell is that everything in reality is a reflection of consciousness and things like planets (or tarot cards, etc.) can be symbolic representations of our inner consciousness as well as what is going on in the external world.
The thing i love about the INTP woman in the middle, is that she is like 25% ENTP. As an ENTP that is like 25% INTP, i really find it funny to see that she is suffering from some of the shittyness of being an ENTP. "Why do you not do the shit u supposed. I dunno, got bored." Love that.
This video definitely made me understand how TE,TI and NI works like so vividly and going back to Michelle's question yesss as an INTP(-T) I am very into mbti but I have times where I'm very skeptical about it like it's almost a continuous feeling, losing hope in it's accuracy yet not really letting my interest in studying the cognitive function go, there are also times where I've doubted my type and have wondered if I was an intj too, basically while watching this video it almost felt like I was looking into a mirror while staring at Michelle, also there's just something magnetic about ENTJs and INTJs like it feels nice to be able to seat on a table along with people who come with interesting minds that one could learn alot from thus, a team of INTP,INTJ and ENTJ really is a power team
In my family it's Me - INTJ Brother - ENTP Mother - ENTJ Step Father - INTP we are an NT crew, I've noticed when we have discussions this is exactly how everything goes in this video. We are all big think tanks. We all have our own special connection as a Rational Type lol
It sounds like you guys have great discussions at the dinner table! Our conversation at the bar afterward was filled with theories and sarcasm, it felt so comfortable 😂
OMG JON ! you have everything done better and better and better🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩 you have got cleaner zoom-in, zoom-outs, the intj intp and entp written below each person in intro is sooo proffesional and nice, and tbh you three are looking amazing man, the visuals are very pleasant to watch, you know what all these things are super cool but you know what is THE BEST PART, it is that you have improved your Extroverted-Feeling immensely, you have sharpened your fe so so so so well thats amazing, thats actually the best part. Being an ENFJ watching an INTJ getting better at Fe feels so good🤩🤩🤩🤩
Thank you for the kind words and for noticing the effort that I put into improving my videos! Understanding and utilizing Fe will be a lifelong journey for me so it's nice to hear that people are noticing improvement...it still doesn't feel natural 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 Do my compliments doesnt feel natural or the your improvement isn't natural, well if compliment doesnt feel natural then assume as if i am a yes-man to you who is leading to your downfall by not telling you constructive criticism😂LMAO this is sarcasm obviously 😂 I have noticed sometimes INTJs dont like complimenting then prefer constructive criticisim🤩 If you are one of them then no problem i would give you constructive critism🤩 and if you think your Fe-growth isnt natural then thats not actually wrong because growth doesnt come naturally and it comes artificially and it leads us better version of yourself
Her explanation for Ti is perfect for me : "The logic behind" It's true, we plan to be spontaneous. It's look spontaneous for others but we planned it in our mind long before, it's calculated with the right timing. 39:26 🤣I wonder if they really believed it that you planned your retirement (when INTJ make jokes we appear so serious) I want to answer to the questions even of I am not INTP 😅 : _My thoughts about tarot : Most of our behavior is unconscious, and the unconscious know everything about everyone, including the future events in global. It involve the same energy/vibrations we don't see with our 5 common senses, but we perceive/feel it with our 6th sense (= intuition) : the vibrations of the reality. Everyone perceive the Sensing/physical layer of reality, but not everyone perceive the Intuitive/metapsychical layer of reality (the energy/vibrations of the reality). This same metapsychical/unconscious layer of reality is involved when we experience synchronicity & signs of the unconscious/universe. Those who are very aware, who reached an high level of consciousness will understand. When the universe/unconscious has a message for us, the energy/card drops, we attract the energy. _It's fun my brother INTP think aliens exists. As an INTJ, and I know there are ENTP who think the same : I don't think life exist elsewhere, it's a too rare thing/event, few chance it happen again. _ENTJ & Gemini goes well together. They will surely like "Human Design chart", "Numerology", "enneagram/tritype" if they like Astrology and MBTI. Fun video, it miss an ENTP ^^ (or maybe not, you seems at ease with our ENTP side) Conversation is easier and natural with other NT types. Great team. Edit : They are the psychological types you said they are, great job ! Same as you, I listen people deeply with attention, I don't want them to feel misunderstood. Ni : no one understand us, but we understand everyone 😆
...I was actually serious about retirement lol. I didn't grow up wealthy, so ending my life wealthy (or at least comfortable) has always been a goal of mine since I was 14 and noticed how important finance is to living a comfortable life 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 Ahah, oops, sorry 😅 Sometimes I am really confuse if the Ni of others is serious or fun or ironic or sarcastic. (I am ashamed, I misinterpreted, INTJ ENTP are so confusing sometimes 😆) I agree it's important.
Thanks for answering my queston at the end! I have a similar view to yours. I see everything/most things as a manfestation of consciousness, including the depths of consciousness that we aren't usually aware of. Do you think there are multiple possible time lines or just one? Have you had an experience where you felt like you tapped into that metaphyical layer? About aliens, what if they are interdimensional beings like Mit mentioned at the end?
@@chellymarie03 _I don't know at all for the time lines, I think just one (my mind can change later, Ni always update) _I got only one out of body experience (not intentional), I just went in my corridor (I was afraid to go outside), I landed in a dream when I reached the living room. _The last strange little thing I experienced, I heard a sound went a big fly disappeared under a door in my appartement, the day before I watched this video about 4th dimension th-cam.com/users/shortsVwofJ3wkzn8 I am still new in these things, I am curious, I want to know more !!! (and experience more maybe, if it's possible) Very interesting thoughts about "aliens". Probably other entities are presents in the others layers or dimensions (I want to see them if they exist! ) One thing I am sure the 1st layer we live/experience it constantly for those who are aware of the synchronicity/signs (the highly intuitive/aware/conscious persons) (at least I experience it everyday) I still need to learn more about this "Astral realm" or "Astral plane" and the possible different layers. Funny how the extremely logical brains we are also into these intuitive knowledge, and determined "We want to know!" 😆
Hey Jon cool concept! I put it on my "watch later list". My intuition said you are the INTJ of course, INFP in the middle with ESTJ subconscious, ENFP on the left and the real ENTJ is that guy behind the screen. But then, all you guys arguments about the functions are very spot on. It's so hard not to type people visually or relate them to people you know in real life and try to pattern match :X Either way I enjoyed this 3 chairs 2 mic set-up, would love to see more episodes like this!
Glad you enjoyed the video! I think it's a fair way to type based on people you know in real life especially if you're for sure they're that type (that's what I do personally). Typing visually is what I'm against though because anyone can wear anything at any time and for whatever purpose so it's unreliable in my opinion 😂
21:55 as an entp i would be very clear here. You proven it right there that you’re not an intj. THIS ARGUMENT IS SOO NOT CONVINCING it is asking questions. How do you know. Then the weakest argument ever for someone to entertain ‘sometimes maybe ni and te’. Come on, that’s no confidence. Intj would say “I am xxxx personality”, and they die on that hill. This half baked ass shit is Ne. I love that.
19:24 no its just four sides of the mind. I mean 4 personality types will be inside for everybody. Like people behave differently when they r sad, happy, angry and normal
When you hear Michelle talk you can definitely tell the difference between Ti and Te. Michelle takes a lot longer to talk to communicate her ideas something I've noticed in my INTP step father
dude the te dude took so long to explain ideas that barley made since. Why would he not just think of what to say and then just say it clearly instead of going on rambles. Not convinced he's Te
I can agree in some way. Te is a very decisive function, and it would reflect on how a Te person would speak, but I think that a Te person would begin to slow down his speech and may start rambling if he's either Fi processing feeling time, or Ni thinking through ideas time, or even Ne finding other ideas time. Therefore, a Te person suddenly slows down in speaking to take his time in making sure that he broadcasts his introspections clearly. If the idea being spoken ended up not making sense, it simply means that the Te person didn't take all the time he needed to process whatever his Ni or Ne was trying to get to. However, a Te person would speak very quickly when it comes to tasks needing to get done and what projects that should be taken into action. Topics like these that no longer require any sort of introspection because the plan had already been set in place.
@@yoshiyolo That is what Te is though, do first, think later, or think while you do. Talk first, think while you talk. They also think they are decisive and just get things done, but then they often do stuff that is basically a waste of energy to people with less TE, while TE users have more energy to waste.
31:52 that is funny. He says he feels it in his entire body. She says a mini headache and particular point in the head. As entp, i would say when someone uses ti wrong i get well, quite a big headache. But it’s funny because I don’t experience a intuition headache or body problems when someone uses intuition wrong. Good odds i just fe go along, or se ‘didn’t hear you there’
ENTJ end question - check personality hacker’s info on the entj harmony type. It’s very ok with and even leans toward the woo woo/spiritual side of life.
I agree, to undersand the 8 cognitive functions is basic and really important, also their axis but it seems incomplete, that why I think to understand the 4 sides of mind with their get aways and the quadras could help to complete the understanding of personality type.However, I still search for different ways to understand myself and people like astrology or numerology,
Tell her Jon! ❤she is not an INTJ. I knew I was something unpopular because no one I have met is like me. I took the test and I was an INTJ. Honestly I don’t always like being an INTJ. I wish my life was as simple as other personality types.
When seeing someone uses NI wrongly. Why get angry as an NI master? A profesional basketbal 🏀 player would encourage people who started shooting hoops. They are far from professorial but they are trying, or babying into the realm of NI with a smile and excitement? Wich is a great start of a pathway of mastering NI. I love ESTJ’s for taping into their NE. And they get really proud when I tap into my baby TE 😎. Why so protective of the skill of NI?
ENFP! Love hanging out with INTP’s interesting how you guys reason feelings, cleaver for a non feeling type! Also help me reason it’s super fun becuase you guys a have secret love for adventure. I always take my INTP to random places and she gets super happy form that. Where the place in central and not the humoons. And we together observe and analyse the reason why that place was there You can connect with that?
I have an astrology theory. It actually has nothing to do with planets, stars, or astro-anything. It's more likely to be related to the climate in your first few months of existence. Fall and winter babies become more subdued due to circumstances, like being stuck indoors with fewer people in quiet spaces. Whereas spring and summer are brought outside more, experience louder more active environments, and see/interact with more people. But that's just a theory...
One of the most interesting theories I've heard in a while. How would that work out in temperate climate zones where the weather is same all year round? Then those must have similar mbti's??
@TokyoTaisu there's still swings in climate in temperate. Monsoon season, for example, has months of straight rain. I doubt there's many highly introverted people on Paradise Islands, though. I should also mention that it's probably separate from mbti. Summer intj vs winter intj would be very different people but still use the same process to interpret and interact with the world. Like Jon, who is an intj that goes outside, is probably spring/summer. Whereas I, who was born in a frozen hellscape, don't.
I'd say it can appeal to different functions in different ways. This is imprecise, but as an example: Ti - It's an internally consistent system with complex logical rules and connections Ne - It offers many different perspectives from which to view a person or situation Te - It is a tool that I and others can use to justify decisions Ni - It can be assimilated as part of an interconnected framework Fi - It can be used to give deeper insight into my or other's values Fe - It can be a good bonding exercise, to help with my social image, or to understand collective values Si - It's a system with cultural significance that can help with understanding my place in the world Se - It's a system that can help me understand the current state of the world to work off of
In general, I dont know how a dominant Ti user, if they study astronomy and were really searching for truth with rigor could still follow Astrology. All the constellation star arrangements change over time so the whole system would fall apart as the stars move to different locations/orientations. In ancient times astrology might make sense because stars never seems to move but now with computers we know forexample "Cancer"wont look like "Cancer" many many yrs from now.@@Adam-nt2mi
I would say my Ne led me to explore it but I couldn't justify spending a lot of time on it until I got some information that allowed me to understand how it could work logically. Are you into astrology? What's your type?
Not sure if you are asking me but Iam an INTJ who doesnt believe in astrology. I studied astronomy. I could see the value people might find with it for socializing like introductions though.@@chellymarie03
When we intj and people claim us , "You're acting like a know-it-all" or "You're being a know-it-all." Situation more like INTP want to kick us (me intj) . May I logical fallacy or wrong doing. What's should I do ?
It's not easy for some people to provide criticism so listen to them when it's provided. Being right isn't the most important thing in life, sometimes group harmony is more important. Feelings are just as valid so if they say you're acting a certain way, listen; then you can decide how you want to react. Good luck nephew ✊
19:30 i am an entp, and i am nothing like him. This is what i love about the intp. They do everything right, and then what is that reasoning??? No. God no. And the beauty is, I TOTALLY GET WHAT SHE MEANS. i have the same difficulty with EVERYONE. Fuck my Ne. I have so much difficulty finding out whether my ex was an intj or istj, and fuck i only get more options. Now she might be an istp for all fuck sake. I can’t narrow down, or it takes much insight to do so. Like time on my own, preferably with a whiteboard in front of me. I hate Ne
43:00 yes i do. But just believe in astrology not tarot bcz i dont have much knowledge about it. Astrology is actually a life guide it wont change any fix points of our life. I think its just a guide book like clues given by god. Just think how do a God automate things? It can be planetary movements Mbti is not deep enough on its alone. U need to combine & research more like Carl Jung psychology or my favourite C S Joseph youtube channel.
And maybe we dont know how NI functions, and how I look at NI is that NI is actually god who is helping us 🤯🤯 and our NI is not always right many a times it is wrong, and i feel that its not wrong because god is wrong its because god wants to be fair to everyone, god doesnt want to be partial by supporting N types and provinding right information before hand only to N types, thats why to be fair god sometimes gives us intuition which is NOT right, and I have observed that the more we know or have worked about a topic, the more correct NI is , so god helps us even more when we work hard🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
I can see how Ni can feel like a diety engaging with us and it'll be really cool if it were! I misspoken in this video, I don't hate people misusing Ni, I hate it when they use it and it affects me and they refuse to listen to reason. So I guess it's more that I'm annoyed with hardheaded people 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Is it a diety or not that we don't know, so let us not debate on something that we dont know, lets us be true to our own interpretation, I won't mind changing my interpretation and i would be more than happy to change my interpretation IF changing would be done due to proven facts or evidence, so until there is no evidence we can assume "ni as diety or not" according to our assumption, and secondly i think NI can be or should be used to biasly classify people into good or bad as it helps to identify good and bad people but that classification only should be there for first look, and if people who first looked bad to us turned out to be good and people who looked good turned out to be bad then we should be more than happy to change our interpretation of what our NI said in the first place, we should only USE FACTS AND REASONS to treat good people nicely and should ignore bad people, we shouldnt be hard headed , but until facts doesnt state that a person is good or bad until then we can rely on NI, But when facts are clear then we should treat people based to logic and reason
The guy on the left is not cohesive with his explanation and tends to talk endlessly in circles. 😂 Dude, get to straight to the point. I think it’s also better if he provided comprehensive examples. Telling a story helps. Kinda like interviewing - identify the problem, describe the steps to solving the issue and the results. Boom! Done. 😂
My experience with ENTJs is that they're great at explaining Te related projects but have a difficult time explaining their Ni/Fi thoughts. The difference is that INTJs have thought about what we want to talk about, ENTJs seem to be thinking about it while explaining it so they seem pretty jumbo'd 😂
The woman in the middle is the smartest one there.
the man on the right seems afraid to be wrong and very stubborn in what he thinks those other identities to be and talks about mbti being about transcending your type? Convoluting and confusing everything future. to me mbti is just a way of broadly organizing humans not to try to be something your not.
the man on the left is definitely not a entj he goes on confusing rambles that go no where, i get the feeling the dude on the right was pretending to understand what he saying.
but the woman she did not pretend. she called out the same things i was thinking which was intresting, and if i was in her postion with 2 guys assuming my mbti i would also quesiton if mbti was real
but i do think mbti is real i think yall are just confusing and convulating. and i thinks its because deep down there are baises as to what personality you want to be subconciously
im not convinced the guy on the right is a intj either
but the dude on the left is absolutely not a entj nothing he says makes sense.
like when he all my brothers are j's so i took on the role of p. It seems like you dont want to be a peciever.
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but what do i know im just a random highschooler with nothing better to do than be skeptical of internet people.
When INTJ Jon said that people should transcend beyond their type, what he actually meant is that people should become more than the stereotypes commonly associated with their type.
Have you heard that INTJs can actually read people's emotions in the room and be able to respond to the feelings of the people around them and by putting effort to smile and being kind and respectful and loving to their friends and family, engaging in concrete reality and do exercise and go out and eat and have fun and play sports? Nothing like the INTJ stereotypes commonly depicted in TV shows and movies right? That's because every INTJ *should* learn how to transcend beyond their stereotype, such as overcoming their cognitive blindspot Fe, and essentially become their ISFJ Superego.
The INTJ doesn't become an ISFJ stereotype by being this motherly person who is there for everyone's needs all the time, but it is possible for INTJs when they develop their weaker cognitive functions, and not just this aloof, cold-hearted stereotype who refuses to engage in their community. This essentially allows the INTJ individual become a well-rounded person as they age.
Same for INTPs too. They need to overcome their blindspot Se by being present-minded and be engaging in reality, and learn how to look good with their dress and appearance, and be presentable, and even be spontaneous when making decisions; overcoming the INTP stereotype of just being this shut-in who is always in their heads doing the same thing everyday and interested in only the same niche all the time. Imagine an INTP gamer, but knows how to present himself well in appearance, knows his own style and be good-looking in public eyes, and is able to be charismatic with everyone around them simply by being present, therefore causing this INTP to look a lot more charming and nothing like an INTP gamer stereotype in first glance? That's an INTP who has learned put effort and become a more well-rounded person as they age.
We don't know who is the smartest. Only the WAIS IV test could judge of their intelligence maybe, even with that it's measure mainly the Ni Ti.
Maybe intelligence is just about awareness/consciousness. The 8 functions are also 8 different intelligences.
Yes INTJ we don't want to be wrong or say wrong informations, not stubborn but determined, just sure of what we are talking about.
Everything they say make sense, maybe you are just biased by your T function as 3rd/7th position.
No one of them pretend. They have fun (like indicated in the description), it's normal they don't appears like their natural functioning ^^ (4 sides of the mind, we all use all functions, we adapt to situations)
Possible the only one confused is you, by your own functions/perception. (compassion : we all have difficulties with our lower functions)
Hello my INTJ nephew! I won't say anything negative but I do want to challenge a few of your assumptions hoping that you'll consider it and continue growing as a person. I 100% agree with your statement and Michelle is undoubtedly the most intelligent person in the room. You mentioned that she's not pretending but in actuality (previous to recording), she said she's going to troll throughout most of the video, which sounds like it was very effective. Mitt is a fantastic example of an ENTJ who learned introspection engaging with his fourth function, introverted feeling (Fi). He's a freelancer, do you know how difficult it is to find your own work as opposed to having a company find it for you? His Te offscreen is unfathomable to me. In regards to me coming off as emotional, it's by design. My entire channel is focused on breaking the stereotype of INTJs being cold robots and showing that it is okay for us to be goofy, annoying, or theatrical if we feel like it. @buizelcream explained it best in regards to what I meant by transcending your stereotype. The three of us are displaying characteristics that are not commonly represented by MBTI stereotypes because at the end of the day, we're all human and we feel and engage the world similar to all other types. I don't expect you to change your opinion after reading this response but I do hope one day you realize that people can't be defined by caricatures and that those caricatures should only be used as the beginning of the journey of typing and not the ending. Enjoy the rest of high school and college nephew, life is a million times better when you're done with school for an INTJ ✊
It's true I was intending to troll, but there was some truth in all of it. I am skeptical of how seriously some people take MBTI and the cognitive function orders and whether or not some people fit one type within the system.
I followed what they were all saying 🤷♀️
As an ENTP, gotta love Michelle and her dry sarcastic humor.
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"Everyone wants to be an INTJ"
INTJs: please don't
Having NI sometimes makes me go to this analysis paralysis state. Is this normal?
BTW, I am an INTJ and Aquarius too!
Not everyone wants to be an INTJ, but sometimes I do 😂
Being an INTJ is not fun. However, being an INTJ is rewarding once you realize how other personalities are in the dark about possibilities and the truth about themselves. Our abstract thinking 🤔 helps us look 👀 at the big picture. By the way, we very much have fine and healthy emotions. We just don’t like to ask our environment/others to feed us. What the environment/ people have to give is laced with a lack of understanding and do not match the fine feelings we have. Essentially others support for me is a cold 🥶 comfort. For INTJ it’s like a 5 year old telling an experienced 40 year old how to deal with their problems. So, no sharing. I can help with emotional support if I choose to not because someone demands that I do 💋
Mostly ENTJ I know are calmer than us INTJ but the authority in their voice is very strong. ENTJ's are so cool.
Michelle is definitely an INTP.
She thinks things through & questions her own logic a fair bit. Instead of dismissing the possibility, she seems to accept it, although she's not fully convinced.
Now, onto the end question. I'm an INTP, but I'm also aware that MBTI isn't all encompassing. I actually did the reverse of what she did. I had a sort of identity crisis in my mid 20s. I went through the whole Astrology thing, did alot of research on that, but found inconsistencies in that, so then just made my own way through. Then I discovered MBTI through philosophy & that's when I started noticing the connection.
That being that they're both based on personalities to a degree, the only difference being that I've found women are more influenced by astrology (personal observation). Everyone has viewpoints & influences. Incorporate everything you've learned - life, astrology, MBTI, everything. Use that as a gauge of who you are & create your own belief system..... Atleast, that's what I've done. 😅
At the end of the day, you're still you & still an individual.
Keep up the excellent work, Jon!
lol right after i wrote that comment the dude on the right said 'you might be a entp' after previously being confident about sensing Ni. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it makes no sense at allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
33:30
bro after that time stamp like 30 seconds after he says astrology has practical matters and then he says naw i forgot mine it doesnt matter XD he had to be trolling wtf thats so funny
Thank you for the compliment! I'll let them respond to this response since they were the ones that asked the questions 😁
Thanks for responding to that! I agree with what you're saying at the end. I see both as useful and fun to explore even though I'm skeptical. My thought on astrology in a nutshell is that everything in reality is a reflection of consciousness and things like planets (or tarot cards, etc.) can be symbolic representations of our inner consciousness as well as what is going on in the external world.
The thing i love about the INTP woman in the middle, is that she is like 25% ENTP. As an ENTP that is like 25% INTP, i really find it funny to see that she is suffering from some of the shittyness of being an ENTP. "Why do you not do the shit u supposed. I dunno, got bored." Love that.
This video definitely made me understand how TE,TI and NI works like so vividly and going back to Michelle's question yesss as an INTP(-T) I am very into mbti but I have times where I'm very skeptical about it like it's almost a continuous feeling, losing hope in it's accuracy yet not really letting my interest in studying the cognitive function go, there are also times where I've doubted my type and have wondered if I was an intj too, basically while watching this video it almost felt like I was looking into a mirror while staring at Michelle, also there's just something magnetic about ENTJs and INTJs like it feels nice to be able to seat on a table along with people who come with interesting minds that one could learn alot from thus, a team of INTP,INTJ and ENTJ really is a power team
In my family it's Me - INTJ
Brother - ENTP
Mother - ENTJ
Step Father - INTP
we are an NT crew, I've noticed when we have discussions this is exactly how everything goes in this video. We are all big think tanks. We all have our own special connection as a Rational Type lol
Are your family need a diplomat type? :D
It sounds like you guys have great discussions at the dinner table! Our conversation at the bar afterward was filled with theories and sarcasm, it felt so comfortable 😂
Sounds like a fun family!
That sounds like heaven
this vid made me finally understand Te thank you!!!
Glad to hear that 🙂
1:46 wait. I didn't hear this. THIS IS AN ENTP. she is playing devils advocate. I love it!
OMG JON ! you have everything done better and better and better🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩 you have got cleaner zoom-in, zoom-outs, the intj intp and entp written below each person in intro is sooo proffesional and nice, and tbh you three are looking amazing man, the visuals are very pleasant to watch, you know what all these things are super cool but you know what is THE BEST PART, it is that you have improved your Extroverted-Feeling immensely, you have sharpened your fe so so so so well thats amazing, thats actually the best part. Being an ENFJ watching an INTJ getting better at Fe feels so good🤩🤩🤩🤩
Thank you for the kind words and for noticing the effort that I put into improving my videos! Understanding and utilizing Fe will be a lifelong journey for me so it's nice to hear that people are noticing improvement...it still doesn't feel natural 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 Do my compliments doesnt feel natural or the your improvement isn't natural, well if compliment doesnt feel natural then assume as if i am a yes-man to you who is leading to your downfall by not telling you constructive criticism😂LMAO this is sarcasm obviously 😂 I have noticed sometimes INTJs dont like complimenting then prefer constructive criticisim🤩 If you are one of them then no problem i would give you constructive critism🤩 and if you think your Fe-growth isnt natural then thats not actually wrong because growth doesnt come naturally and it comes artificially and it leads us better version of yourself
Her explanation for Ti is perfect for me : "The logic behind"
It's true, we plan to be spontaneous. It's look spontaneous for others but we planned it in our mind long before, it's calculated with the right timing.
39:26 🤣I wonder if they really believed it that you planned your retirement (when INTJ make jokes we appear so serious)
I want to answer to the questions even of I am not INTP 😅 :
_My thoughts about tarot : Most of our behavior is unconscious, and the unconscious know everything about everyone, including the future events in global.
It involve the same energy/vibrations we don't see with our 5 common senses, but we perceive/feel it with our 6th sense (= intuition) : the vibrations of the reality.
Everyone perceive the Sensing/physical layer of reality, but not everyone perceive the Intuitive/metapsychical layer of reality (the energy/vibrations of the reality).
This same metapsychical/unconscious layer of reality is involved when we experience synchronicity & signs of the unconscious/universe.
Those who are very aware, who reached an high level of consciousness will understand.
When the universe/unconscious has a message for us, the energy/card drops, we attract the energy.
_It's fun my brother INTP think aliens exists. As an INTJ, and I know there are ENTP who think the same : I don't think life exist elsewhere, it's a too rare thing/event, few chance it happen again.
_ENTJ & Gemini goes well together. They will surely like "Human Design chart", "Numerology", "enneagram/tritype" if they like Astrology and MBTI.
Fun video, it miss an ENTP ^^ (or maybe not, you seems at ease with our ENTP side) Conversation is easier and natural with other NT types. Great team.
Edit : They are the psychological types you said they are, great job !
Same as you, I listen people deeply with attention, I don't want them to feel misunderstood.
Ni : no one understand us, but we understand everyone 😆
...I was actually serious about retirement lol. I didn't grow up wealthy, so ending my life wealthy (or at least comfortable) has always been a goal of mine since I was 14 and noticed how important finance is to living a comfortable life 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 Ahah, oops, sorry 😅
Sometimes I am really confuse if the Ni of others is serious or fun or ironic or sarcastic. (I am ashamed, I misinterpreted, INTJ ENTP are so confusing sometimes 😆)
I agree it's important.
Thanks for answering my queston at the end! I have a similar view to yours. I see everything/most things as a manfestation of consciousness, including the depths of consciousness that we aren't usually aware of. Do you think there are multiple possible time lines or just one? Have you had an experience where you felt like you tapped into that metaphyical layer?
About aliens, what if they are interdimensional beings like Mit mentioned at the end?
@@chellymarie03 _I don't know at all for the time lines, I think just one (my mind can change later, Ni always update)
_I got only one out of body experience (not intentional), I just went in my corridor (I was afraid to go outside), I landed in a dream when I reached the living room.
_The last strange little thing I experienced, I heard a sound went a big fly disappeared under a door in my appartement, the day before I watched this video about 4th dimension th-cam.com/users/shortsVwofJ3wkzn8
I am still new in these things, I am curious, I want to know more !!! (and experience more maybe, if it's possible)
Very interesting thoughts about "aliens". Probably other entities are presents in the others layers or dimensions (I want to see them if they exist! )
One thing I am sure the 1st layer we live/experience it constantly for those who are aware of the synchronicity/signs (the highly intuitive/aware/conscious persons) (at least I experience it everyday)
I still need to learn more about this "Astral realm" or "Astral plane" and the possible different layers.
Funny how the extremely logical brains we are also into these intuitive knowledge, and determined "We want to know!" 😆
Intp: what if I am an Intj?
Yes you're an Intp
Man wanted to hear Matt's yoga reasoning though, better be a part two!
I'm sure we'll do a follow-up the next time I'm in town 😅
Hey Jon cool concept! I put it on my "watch later list".
My intuition said you are the INTJ of course, INFP in the middle with ESTJ subconscious, ENFP on the left and the real ENTJ is that guy behind the screen. But then, all you guys arguments about the functions are very spot on. It's so hard not to type people visually or relate them to people you know in real life and try to pattern match :X
Either way I enjoyed this 3 chairs 2 mic set-up, would love to see more episodes like this!
Glad you enjoyed the video! I think it's a fair way to type based on people you know in real life especially if you're for sure they're that type (that's what I do personally). Typing visually is what I'm against though because anyone can wear anything at any time and for whatever purpose so it's unreliable in my opinion 😂
21:55 as an entp i would be very clear here. You proven it right there that you’re not an intj. THIS ARGUMENT IS SOO NOT CONVINCING it is asking questions. How do you know. Then the weakest argument ever for someone to entertain ‘sometimes maybe ni and te’. Come on, that’s no confidence. Intj would say “I am xxxx personality”, and they die on that hill. This half baked ass shit is Ne. I love that.
"Shoot the Shit Saturday" has a nice ring to it!!
😂😉
The fact that Michelle loves chaos shows that shes really an INTP.
Man...you Ne users and chaos 😅
19:24 no its just four sides of the mind. I mean 4 personality types will be inside for everybody. Like people behave differently when they r sad, happy, angry and normal
ENTP leave the chat 😅
The only reason an ENTP isn't part of the chat is because we can't find one that wants to hang out with us 🙃
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When you hear Michelle talk you can definitely tell the difference between Ti and Te. Michelle takes a lot longer to talk to communicate her ideas something I've noticed in my INTP step father
dude the te dude took so long to explain ideas that barley made since. Why would he not just think of what to say and then just say it clearly instead of going on rambles. Not convinced he's Te
I can agree in some way. Te is a very decisive function, and it would reflect on how a Te person would speak, but I think that a Te person would begin to slow down his speech and may start rambling if he's either Fi processing feeling time, or Ni thinking through ideas time, or even Ne finding other ideas time. Therefore, a Te person suddenly slows down in speaking to take his time in making sure that he broadcasts his introspections clearly.
If the idea being spoken ended up not making sense, it simply means that the Te person didn't take all the time he needed to process whatever his Ni or Ne was trying to get to.
However, a Te person would speak very quickly when it comes to tasks needing to get done and what projects that should be taken into action. Topics like these that no longer require any sort of introspection because the plan had already been set in place.
@@yoshiyolo That is what Te is though, do first, think later, or think while you do. Talk first, think while you talk. They also think they are decisive and just get things done, but then they often do stuff that is basically a waste of energy to people with less TE, while TE users have more energy to waste.
I don't remember where I read/heard this but someone said that Ti/Ne can ramble for days because of how slowly they express their thoughts 😂
Yeah it usually takes me a while to think of how to respond to things. Do you think it could also be related to an Se blind spot?
31:52 that is funny. He says he feels it in his entire body. She says a mini headache and particular point in the head. As entp, i would say when someone uses ti wrong i get well, quite a big headache. But it’s funny because I don’t experience a intuition headache or body problems when someone uses intuition wrong. Good odds i just fe go along, or se ‘didn’t hear you there’
ENTJ end question - check personality hacker’s info on the entj harmony type. It’s very ok with and even leans toward the woo woo/spiritual side of life.
I agree, to undersand the 8 cognitive functions is basic and really important, also their axis but it seems incomplete, that why I think to understand the 4 sides of mind with their get aways and the quadras could help to complete the understanding of personality type.However, I still search for different ways to understand myself and people like astrology or numerology,
When you mentioned the quadras, are you referring to socionics? I'm not too familiar with the model so I'm not completely following 😅
I would love to see opposite functions in one room, chaos and banter that would be fun😅
I feel like I'll just end up being quiet because most of my time will be spent trying to figure out what's being said and how it all makes sense 😂
@@justcallmejon22 that's the fun part, seeing the confusion in everyone's faces 😂
I got Jon facial expression. Before he was blunt what's going on
I was so confused 😅
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Tell her Jon! ❤she is not an INTJ. I knew I was something unpopular because no one I have met is like me. I took the test and I was an INTJ. Honestly I don’t always like being an INTJ. I wish my life was as simple as other personality types.
I empathize, it's tough being an INTJ sometimes but we gotta keep on trekking on ✊
When seeing someone uses NI wrongly. Why get angry as an NI master? A profesional basketbal 🏀 player would encourage people who started shooting hoops. They are far from professorial but they are trying, or babying into the realm of NI with a smile and excitement? Wich is a great start of a pathway of mastering NI. I love ESTJ’s for taping into their NE. And they get really proud when I tap into my baby TE 😎. Why so protective of the skill of NI?
Good point. I would love to be trained to become an Ni professional. It seems like such an interesting function.
@@chellymarie03 sounds fun where do we sign up? @jon create a course! :). You must be some sort of NP aswell than? 😂
@@arnoldroozenburg1279 Yes he should! 😂I might be INTP. What about you?
ENFP! Love hanging out with INTP’s interesting how you guys reason feelings, cleaver for a non feeling type! Also help me reason it’s super fun becuase you guys a have secret love for adventure. I always take my INTP to random places and she gets super happy form that. Where the place in central and not the humoons. And we together observe and analyse the reason why that place was there You can connect with that?
I am an INFJ and I love the NT people!
We love ya'll as well ❤
STTTTTOOOOPPPPP THIIISSSS ISSS SOOO FUNNNYYYY 😭😭😭😭😭😅
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Y'all need a sensor to round out the group, not just a feeler 😆
Look for an SF for pragmatic solutions linked to personal or group values
Come to the next New York MBTI meetup! Good vibe is always welcomed 😁
I feel like the S types tend to feel like the odd ones out at the MBTI meetups but they are always welcome!
@@justcallmejon22 I might check it out if I cross the Atlantic sometime!
I have an astrology theory. It actually has nothing to do with planets, stars, or astro-anything. It's more likely to be related to the climate in your first few months of existence. Fall and winter babies become more subdued due to circumstances, like being stuck indoors with fewer people in quiet spaces. Whereas spring and summer are brought outside more, experience louder more active environments, and see/interact with more people.
But that's just a theory...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It makes a lot of sense that those things would affect people's behaviors.
One of the most interesting theories I've heard in a while. How would that work out in temperate climate zones where the weather is same all year round? Then those must have similar mbti's??
@TokyoTaisu there's still swings in climate in temperate. Monsoon season, for example, has months of straight rain. I doubt there's many highly introverted people on Paradise Islands, though.
I should also mention that it's probably separate from mbti. Summer intj vs winter intj would be very different people but still use the same process to interpret and interact with the world. Like Jon, who is an intj that goes outside, is probably spring/summer. Whereas I, who was born in a frozen hellscape, don't.
I would think with INTP the interest in astrology would come from their Ne not really Ti. Astrology is more about patterns than thinking.
I'd say it can appeal to different functions in different ways. This is imprecise, but as an example:
Ti - It's an internally consistent system with complex logical rules and connections
Ne - It offers many different perspectives from which to view a person or situation
Te - It is a tool that I and others can use to justify decisions
Ni - It can be assimilated as part of an interconnected framework
Fi - It can be used to give deeper insight into my or other's values
Fe - It can be a good bonding exercise, to help with my social image, or to understand collective values
Si - It's a system with cultural significance that can help with understanding my place in the world
Se - It's a system that can help me understand the current state of the world to work off of
Not going to add additional comments because Adam did an impeccable job breaking it down 😂
In general, I dont know how a dominant Ti user, if they study astronomy and were really searching for truth with rigor could still follow Astrology. All the constellation star arrangements change over time so the whole system would fall apart as the stars move to different locations/orientations. In ancient times astrology might make sense because stars never seems to move but now with computers we know forexample "Cancer"wont look like "Cancer" many many yrs from now.@@Adam-nt2mi
I would say my Ne led me to explore it but I couldn't justify spending a lot of time on it until I got some information that allowed me to understand how it could work logically.
Are you into astrology? What's your type?
Not sure if you are asking me but Iam an INTJ who doesnt believe in astrology. I studied astronomy. I could see the value people might find with it for socializing like introductions though.@@chellymarie03
Ni is deep and narrow, Ne is broad and less deep .
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Because Ni is focused, Ne is scattered? Like a professional vs jack of all trades.
ENTJs are quite frankly the superior version of INTJs. Guy on the left is definitely not ENTJ by the way.
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No, they're not the superior version of INTJs.
On what basis? Most of the tech Entrepreneurs are INTJs. Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, you name it.
Road map of my Ti
I don't believe in mbti = I don't believe in Carl's Jung work = I don't believe in psychology.
When we intj and people claim us , "You're acting like a know-it-all" or "You're being a know-it-all."
Situation more like INTP want to kick us (me intj) . May I logical fallacy or wrong doing.
What's should I do ?
It's not easy for some people to provide criticism so listen to them when it's provided. Being right isn't the most important thing in life, sometimes group harmony is more important. Feelings are just as valid so if they say you're acting a certain way, listen; then you can decide how you want to react. Good luck nephew ✊
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Thx uncle Jon .
So my big problem is lack of EQ .
This homework so difficult.
19:30 i am an entp, and i am nothing like him. This is what i love about the intp. They do everything right, and then what is that reasoning??? No. God no. And the beauty is, I TOTALLY GET WHAT SHE MEANS. i have the same difficulty with EVERYONE. Fuck my Ne. I have so much difficulty finding out whether my ex was an intj or istj, and fuck i only get more options. Now she might be an istp for all fuck sake. I can’t narrow down, or it takes much insight to do so. Like time on my own, preferably with a whiteboard in front of me. I hate Ne
How can a system based on stars be more credible than one based on human behavior? Michelle as an INTP you disappoint me.
(I'm joking XD)
21:15 planning what we as a group do is not ni its actually ne isnt it? Ni means what i want to do its not what we should do
Do u guys know intp & entj r golden pair? And intj intp r little bit less compatible like silver pair.
Interesting! What typology system describes this, I'm curious to read more 🙂
@@justcallmejon22 intj social compatibility
@@justcallmejon22 it's a youtube video by c s Joseph
43:00 yes i do. But just believe in astrology not tarot bcz i dont have much knowledge about it. Astrology is actually a life guide it wont change any fix points of our life. I think its just a guide book like clues given by god. Just think how do a God automate things? It can be planetary movements
Mbti is not deep enough on its alone. U need to combine & research more like Carl Jung psychology or my favourite C S Joseph youtube channel.
36:24 absolutely wrong. Strategic ambiguity. Geostrategic. Diplomacy. Positional chess. History. Economics. Expertise. ENTJ’s and INTJ’s start wars. ENTP’s end wars.
INTP’s study systems. ENTP’s study humanity.
Also, who is the easiest ENTP in the world. Volodymyr Zelinskiy. Don’t know what type putin is, but i bet it won’t look good on one of ya
And maybe we dont know how NI functions, and how I look at NI is that NI is actually god who is helping us 🤯🤯 and our NI is not always right many a times it is wrong, and i feel that its not wrong because god is wrong its because god wants to be fair to everyone, god doesnt want to be partial by supporting N types and provinding right information before hand only to N types, thats why to be fair god sometimes gives us intuition which is NOT right, and I have observed that the more we know or have worked about a topic, the more correct NI is , so god helps us even more when we work hard🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
I can see how Ni can feel like a diety engaging with us and it'll be really cool if it were! I misspoken in this video, I don't hate people misusing Ni, I hate it when they use it and it affects me and they refuse to listen to reason. So I guess it's more that I'm annoyed with hardheaded people 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Is it a diety or not that we don't know, so let us not debate on something that we dont know, lets us be true to our own interpretation, I won't mind changing my interpretation and i would be more than happy to change my interpretation IF changing would be done due to proven facts or evidence, so until there is no evidence we can assume "ni as diety or not" according to our assumption, and secondly i think NI can be or should be used to biasly classify people into good or bad as it helps to identify good and bad people but that classification only should be there for first look, and if people who first looked bad to us turned out to be good and people who looked good turned out to be bad then we should be more than happy to change our interpretation of what our NI said in the first place, we should only USE FACTS AND REASONS to treat good people nicely and should ignore bad people, we shouldnt be hard headed , but until facts doesnt state that a person is good or bad until then we can rely on NI, But when facts are clear then we should treat people based to logic and reason
I think Michelle likes you both as friends, she was just trying to be objective.
Yup! We're all great friends 😁
The guy on the left is not cohesive with his explanation and tends to talk endlessly in circles. 😂 Dude, get to straight to the point. I think it’s also better if he provided comprehensive examples. Telling a story helps. Kinda like interviewing - identify the problem, describe the steps to solving the issue and the results. Boom! Done. 😂
My experience with ENTJs is that they're great at explaining Te related projects but have a difficult time explaining their Ni/Fi thoughts. The difference is that INTJs have thought about what we want to talk about, ENTJs seem to be thinking about it while explaining it so they seem pretty jumbo'd 😂