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I've got a feeling that some, if not most, if the great TV shows are produced or written by creative INTJs. As an INFJ who's had a handful of INTJs in my life, I can see the common patterns between these INTJs I've known and still know and like Dr. House, Castle, Criminal MInds to name a few.
@@light5634 Netflix TV YOU is INFJ. So, was Hitler and Osama Bin Laden. 😳Is it a clever idea to keep my thoughts to myself.? Right. Queen's Gambit is also based on an INTJ. 🤫
Im def a Creative subtype INTj, and Chaos is not at all a bad choise of word for it . Actully chaotic describes it better as freeflowing suggest you’re more at ease with adapting without stress and dont get stuck on small details , or too many things to consider detailwise as the creativity spits out more ideas in superspeed, and controlmania needs to evaluate all of them to find the optimal choise. you just cant humanly keep up with the tempo of it all and somtimes it escalate tototal war and burnout. The creativity in itself is freeflowing energy but as an intj i often would prefer to be much more in control. I cant force it and it takes its own twists and twurlz . Kindof like a Fractal wich is also chaotic by nature 🙂
We can be creative because the information we absorb isn't just a pile of data, we use it to make connections between this and that, and not just traditional connections. "Normal" people might make a connection between A and B, but we go and make them between A and Q and so on. Started out my self-employment as a personal chef, but now am a self-employed graphic designer, baker, and seamstress. Always learning new things in all 3, and mostly working for/by myself eliminates the need to deal with incompetent people at a workplace. My apartment looks more like a work room than a living space, and that's the way I can organize so many things I like to do, because yes, they ARE paid hobbies. I don't want to become ambitious, either, because then I would have to hire employees, and I would absolutely hate that.
I love this! Me as an INTJ male, i experienced being all four of these subtypes during some point in my life and i'm not even close to old age. Still a young adult at his prime. On how i been through them, one half was simply due to inherent temperament, while the other half were born out of necessity because of circumstances i was born into which i had no control over. Naturally speaking, i vibe with the creative subtype the most. The dominant and normalizing subtypes developed from challenging conditions, and the willingness to survive such hardship. Last but definitely not least, the harmonizing subtype simply tends to be an organic progression as i got older by converging or combining bits of elemental qualities from each subtype into a customized medley, which they align with my individual needs, desires (aspirations, goals, ambitions, dreams, etc) and expertise.
I can say I'm a little bit of everything. When I was in highschool I showed more aspects of a dominant INTJ, as a child I showed more aspects of a creative INTJ, and now, in my 20th, I'm showing the harmonious subtype characteristics more than before. I am so interested in sociology, philosophy, humanities. It's really interesting for me when you said harmonious subtypes tend to freeze in some situations if they haven't developed that specific part. Well, EXACTLY I am like this!!!! I think about things and I plan ahead, and when I'm at that certain situation I already know what to do, however if I haven't thought about that matter, I'll just freeze!!! Thanks for your informative podcast (video). I enjoyed every second of it!
I also had a similar experience as an intj, but i have seen how financial crisis has affected me and making me lean towards normalising sub type a certain period of my life. But as an inexperienced intj i have had difficulty understanding certain fast tracking of my skill tree in certain aspects and would like to know how i can min max certain aspects of my life. Or a guide in understanding intj better.
I think INTJ'S that are harmonizing subtypes would make great Psychiatrists they can compartmentalized their feelings so that they can be objective so that their client's emotions won't affect them so that they can help solve the problems for their clients . And as you mentioned that this subtype likes one on one interactions.
I can't help studying psychology even though I disagree with the psychological communities methods. I don't think I would have the temperament for dealing with mental health issues every day.
Thank you very much for your continued growth and development of cognitive abilities. I am a 76 year old women, who has been studying personality traits for years. I bought your car model test and came out as a Infj and then researched the Infj and knew I wasn’t a Infj, so I ask your support team if I could change over to intj, and they were very helpful and sent me the car model of intj.. Today July 27, 2023 I learned I am a harmonizing intj. Again thank you.
It's quite funny during my 30 years as Engineering Construction Project Manager it was pure Dominant INTJ - Conceive, develop, finance, build, reward contribution to society........The day I retired I literally flipped into a Creative INTJ taking up Pottery to in 3 years sell my work, took up Electric bass & drums to join a band in 3 years and pursuing many other curiosities . Common theme - Curiosity leads to Passion when goals & purpose are defined that justifies unleashing unlimited resources & autonomy to achieve Mastery.....pure INTJ
Thank you for bringing so much insight to a complex topic. I self identify as INTJ and now harmonizing. It's comforting to know where the nudgable edges are.
The creatice INTJ really explains why I´ve been doubting that I´m an INTJ. even though I´ve tested myself a tenfold of times and allways goten the same result. Just like you mesioned I´ve been thinking beetween INTJ-INTP just because I am more free flowing.
My husband and I watched this together and really enjoyed it 😊 I'm a Normalising/Harmonising INFP and we reckon he's a Creative/Dominant INTJ. He's an entrepreneur who started a digital marketing business. Also a big fan of the video format and highlight pop ups, rather than the static image (this is the first time I've got him to sit through an entire episode 😂).
Very interesting and helpful. Im an normalizing INTJ i somewhat tried/connected to the creative INTJ but i distanced myself from that and im trying my way in more dominant INTJ field of stock market and data analytics.
Yeah I love the arts, but the opportunistic attitude of the people in that business, the social climbing, the abusive gatekeepers a la weinstein at the top, etc. turned me off. I got into a better paid job that gives me peace of mind, leverage and options.
This episode was very informative. In response to the query at the end, I found myself identifying with the normalizing a bit, creative a bit more, but when you hit on harmonizing it lit up all the lights in my head, and I thought, "That's the one!" As for my professional life, my jobs have always been just that. While young, I searched for a career that I could throw myself into and would provide personal fulfillment, but each time I fully invested in a job it turned out to be a disappointment, such that in my stage of life now, I simply work to get paid. I am now looking towards self employment in ethical hacking, and I very much enjoy cultural and political analysis as a hobby.
Hi Roopa. Not sure of their types. We stay away from typing people from a distance and prefer to follow the originator’s methods (Dr Carl Jung) to determine type via a psyche to psyche conversation. We teach the methodology in our Profiler Training Course. Thank you for watching and commenting. - Joel
I think I'm a combination of dominant and creative. Infact a big portion of Careera you mentioned for dominant is what I'm interested in but I am in the process of starting my own business. I believe I can build this business rather than wait to grow through the ladder
I have always tested as INTJ and now I believe I fit into the Harmonizer box as well. Very interesting and it explains a few things for me as well. Thank you!
I truly appreciate the exceptional breakdown you provided, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about the various subtypes. Thank you for sharing such valuable information with us!
Question about the neurotransmitters (NT), you guys have mentioned in each video which NT each subtype likes to chase. Do you think individuals have an innate preference for one/some NTs over others? I think I can isolate the times when I've had a rush of each NT. They all feel good, like for instance, when I'm in a crowd experiencing a thing together with lots of other ppl, maybe I'm getting a lot of seratonin?? It's a good feeling but it's not as pleasurable as when I'm being creative and getting lots of dopamine. A video or info on what exactly "chasing a NT" means and how it could affect subtype in the short- and long-terms would be super interesting! Thanks again for another great video!
Creative and Normalizing. Creative by having flexible goals rather than SMART goals.. i have too many goals/interests to manage. Normalizing by linear thinking and very detail oriented. Both on being visual.
I think I am dominated by the Creative, but the others also join the team often, especially the harmonising one (which probably dominated my teenage years) :) And I am a scientist, but working mainly in innovation and new product development. In my 20s, I have worked like a lunatic just to be able to turn my hobby into a profession.
The harmonizing INTJ also sounds like some descriptions of what it's like being autistic. Specializations of the brain and some confusion wrt. unexpected/untrained social interactions. And the lack of a halo.
This is a fascinating connection. My mother-in-law thinks I'm autistic so I was curious and took a number of tests online which all came back definitely not autistic. Just yesterday I came across the description of harmonising INTJ and it fit me 100%
I started listening on the website but came over to TH-cam for the video! I believe I'm a Harmonising INTJ. I mistyped myself as INFJ but it didn't quite fit, especially remembering how I was when I was younger, and my INTP husband was dubious too. Your test came back INTJ but it wasn't until hearing the description of the harmonising subtype that it made sense. I've long felt that I've changed since having my kids and being a stay-at-home mother, and the nurture theory behind subtypes would fit that hypothesis.
Great. After my dissolution I’ve dove into MTBI and this channel, I have to say I’m pissed how stereotypical INTJ I am and how much you call me out… then after probably 20+ hours of diving, I hear you completely pick me apart as a harmonizing INTJ. I knew I was different, but unusually different is just great🤦♂️ lots of work to do.
Wow - I was mistyped as ESTJ when I was younger, and can be typed as ENTJ depending on what test I do. But I know I’m NOT E. Thanks for this video, now I know I’m the dominant INTJ 😂 thanks!
Interesting. Seems I am a creative with a dominant career who enjoys small talk like a normalizer.🙂 Office politics/hierarchies are draining, consulting has been somewhat helpful in avoiding this. I could never be mistaken for an ENTJ, ISTJ, or INFJ. The comment starting at 55:55 makes sense. Thank you!
I maybe one of the INTJs that often mistype as INTP. I have a hard time relating to the Te function and have a bit of a negative view of it since I am not a fan of the business or corporate world.
I'm primarily the creative subtype and secondarily the dominant subtype. When I was a teenager and in my early 20s I was primarily the dominant and secondarily the creative subtype.
i am a creative type intj, and i am the chaos, if people don't understand, they should look into chaos theory, fractals, infinite complexity in a finite space, good and tasty stuff, food of the gods, muahahahahaha, the devil is in those details, the small things cause massive changes over time
I began listening to your podcast but switched to TH-cam because I am a visual. I need my paper planner for a visual. I do lists. I have always seen the big picture. I plan every minute. I am older and I think I tapped into my dominant quadrant as an executive assistant and chair of a planning commission. I take charge on committees and I’m all business. I tend to tell people I’m not a people person and I’ll let someone else do the nice part. I’m all business and I get the job done. I’m direct and tend to not pay attention to other’s feelings when doing a job. On the other hand, on a personal level, I am an empath and can experience emotion overload because I feel other’s emotions. I feel like I may have parts of all the quadrants. Y’all mentioned that in the talk. Is this possible.
I guess I'll be even more sure of being an INTJ. I think I was meant to be the creative subtype. When young, I got steered into normalizing. I never had many opportunities to try specifically dominant subtype interests and I can't even imagine myself becoming a harmonizing subtype.
Very interesting video, I've manually modulated testosterone, estrogen, and dopamine throughout my career and definitely noticed changes along these lines even while in the same position. Some stories and perspectives that I thought I would never have (why I did it). Curious about the other neurotransmitters/peptides and how they might effect subtype. I believe INTJ is my best fit type
This is super- interesting, many thanks for sharing. Could you give us more information about the Harmonising sub- type, please? Value- based ✅✅ Struggling with mundane things ✅ (my brain, whichever way is wired, dies instantaneously with pain of sheer boredom 😄). My mind froze (literally) only very few times in my lifetime and I still struggle when presented with idiocies (I would not even mind cognitive faults if only the end product worked! I can’t stoop lower than this) of such gargantuan proportions that I honestly don’t know what to think or what to do. I’m very serious, this is not a gratuitous hyperbole. Speaking of neural pathways- I just don’t have one similar to those of the person/ people from whom the incomprehensible stupidity emanated. I do struggle. What others call ‘common sense’ is nonsensical. What others call logic is anything but logical. What others call efficiency is anything but. What they call truth and morality are just cynical jokes. It’s like their minds operate within a network of concepts that have lost the real meaning. Observing them, let alone trying to integrate within their realities, is very painful and frustrating. I’ve been in work environments that require me to be a Normalising sub- type. Very low social status jobs within systems run by Se people without any vision, insight, creativity, or ability to really empathise. My mask of Normalising INTJ falls quickly when I need to take action and the real me- Dominant bursts forth with an intensity that, needless to say, repeatedly got me into trouble (‘Who the hell do you think you are?!’ type of reaction from others). Obviously, me being right didn’t matter. At work I must repress the Dominant, but it is my mode. I want results. I know what I’m talking about. And I keep it separate from my private life when I indulged myself in the Creative mode. One thing, though, doesn’t fit. I do believe that hierarchies are natural, but I am not interested in the least in climbing to the top, simply because one has to be extremely stupid to wish to be a manager of a business that is in liquidation. Managing a team of incompetents is not leadership, it’s damage control. I do appreciate I sound arrogant, but it’s true (for me, at least). PS- the observation about being auditive is eerily accurate 😮😃
@@b.e.d.e.m. If you believe that humans are divorced from nature, you’re partially right. Humans are a strange species, worse than monkeys. Human hierarchies are animal hierarchies dressed in whatever clothes. The rhetorical cleverness replaced the brawn, the sticks and the stones (though stoning is still a thing- a spiritual thing, no less and body building is an industry 😄), but the same principles apply. May monkeys forgive my comparison because they only do what animals are supposed to do. All other animals don’t destroy their own environment. Humans are nothing but slightly more cognitively sophisticated monkeys, be them speculating about the immortality of the soul, waging wars, or creating taxonomies. The perverted animal is always inside, piloting the human. It’s not even buried that deeply- scratch the thin coating of ‘civilisation’ and see 🙄😄 So. The forms of the cultural products are divorced from nature (unfortunately), but quintessentially, they are based on animal instincts.
@@b.e.d.e.m. Well, well, well, Dr Peterson 😄 (you sound a lot like him). You introduced patriarchy in discussion. In my non- specialist opinion, be it patriarchy or matriarchy, the same animal impulses are at play. Survival is the ultimate goal. Give me an example of culturally induced impulses that are not rooted in animal biological basics, please. As for meaning…nothing else than a desperate attempt of the animal to either make the chaos which his cognitive development cursed it with, tolerable, and gain a sense of false control- not dissimilar to a monkey holding a stick to beat/kill other monkeys with or, at least, hit the tree of life in hoping that the banana of redemption and immortality falls down.
Thanks for a great video and podcast. I have been waiting for it for so long…the last of 16.! Is the harmonizing more auditory or visual. You mentioned which one each subtype was except for the harmonizing. I’m harmonizing so interested to know. Thank you!❤
I have reason to think I'm more harmonizing. I'm a teacher of elementary kids, Life coaching some folks, I'm a musician in 3 bands. I 'm also writing a couple of books( but yes the organizing is questionable in me for those projects) And I have my own Spiritual TH-cam channel where I can hash out my thoughts and ideas based in science and spiritual concepts.
According to Gulenko, DCNH subtypes are measured by the following 3 Polarities of situational behaviors found in his book "64 Types": 1) Under stress and facing a tense challenge: Contact: Actively confronts the danger with vigor and excitement. (Dominant/creative) Distant: Withdraws themselves from confrontation to avoid freezing or losing one's balance to preserve inner control. (Normalizing/harmonizing) 2) Projects and relationships: Terminal: Seeks closure, completes what is started, streamlines, seeks to control one's world. (Dominant/normalizing) Initial: Undertakes and switches easily to a new activity. Predisposition to multitask and be at one with what comes. (Creative/harmonizing) 3) External environmental changes: Connective: Reacts with sensitivity. Agreeable. (Dominant/harmonizing) Ignorative: Pays little attention. Focused on one's own understanding and interests. (Creative/normalizing) Combining these three polarities, we get the following DCNH subtypes: • Contact, terminal, connective - dominant (D) • Contact, initial, ignorative - creative (C) • Distant, terminal, ignorative - normalizing (N) • Distant, initial, connective - harmonizing (H)
Hi Anna. Thank you for the comment. These are trends not absolutes. I think there are a lot of ways it can show up a bit differently as your personal experience reflects. - Joel
@@Personalityhacker Thanks for letting me know. That helps to see how he is and acts with that subtype. I definitely saw holistic Effectiveness in him.
As an INTJ, things I noticed from the video. INTJ's make it their goal to project there FI values but do so objectively (Doesn't mingle well with faith based mandated religions). It ends up being a theory-based value system where we can falsely believe in something and gather evidence for it, to find out we wasted a lot of time on something not real. My brother is an INTJ as well and is a normalizing INTJ completely rejects his Ni because a church cult he ended up in. Fe trickster is a BITCH. We can read that some, not all, people have good intentions, However, good intentions are weaponized all over the world. INTJ's once a victim of this, it's hard for us to come back to society again. Long story short, as an INTJ, I couldn't figure out my type because I'm good at everything I do, and I've embraced the fact that if I didn't use my Se, I was going to rot away in a production plant as a shipping and receiving supervisor. I'm also not afraid of people's stupid bullshit anymore, which makes me more tactful an outgoing. But when I'm not working, I'm at home, not doing anything accept listening to videos like this, Graham Hancock, etc. **EDIT** I'm now a public adjuster, it's a very good career for INTJ, matches our Te with perfect precision. The pay is far more than any google search will tell you. It says 80k a year, but it's more like 500k.
Hi both, I'm sorry to say that as an INTJ I really found it really hard to identify with any of these subtypes (and the careers described). I've listened to it three times now. Still not resonating! However when you talk about INTJ in its most generic form (in other podcasts) I do recognise myself. Is it possible that it's harder for you to put language to the 'variations' for INTJs? I'd love to talk about this!
Considering we’re using Dr Dario Nardi’s language for the subtypes based on his research with EEG scans and combined with Dr Viktor Gulenko’s research in Socionics and Dr Helen Fisher’s work with neurotransmitter/hormone preference theory… 🤷♀️ -A
I’ve had people say they think I’m autistic even people who’ve said I’m smart I’m assuming they mean Aspergersesk. Is there a relation between ADHD and and INTJ. I thought I had it but I quit having to do inventory when I switched jobs and it almost was just that task I could not focus on I hated it.
Hi Claudia - I answered your other comment - and I’ll add it here too. This was a TH-cam premier which allows comments before the video goes live. Thank you for watching. - Joel
Don’t believe the hype. If u r INTJ don’t get into some job position where you gotta manage a bunch of wind up robots. Best INTJ career is author, artist, consultant, etc. Find a way to get people to pay you to explain how the world actually works. Managing and motivating humans will drive you mad lol.
The Halo Effect in psychology is a bias towards someone that distorts one's perception of them. A halo effect when reading EEG scans simply means there is a perceptible ring around a person's brain that lights up when doing certain tasks. Same name, different meanings for different contexts. Thanks for the question! -Antonia
Curious if there is a way to understand how ADHD could tie into this as ADHD is highly unreliable. Im using personality research to find a career path after my miserable time in the military of 7 years. Hard to know for sure which subtype I am as I feel like I fall into each of them in their own ways. 😪
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Which of the 4 subtypes to do most resonate with?
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I've got a feeling that some, if not most, if the great TV shows are produced or written by creative INTJs. As an INFJ who's had a handful of INTJs in my life, I can see the common patterns between these INTJs I've known and still know and like Dr. House, Castle, Criminal MInds to name a few.
@@light5634 Netflix TV YOU is INFJ. So, was Hitler and Osama Bin Laden. 😳Is it a clever idea to keep my thoughts to myself.? Right. Queen's Gambit is also based on an INTJ. 🤫
Im def a Creative subtype INTj, and Chaos is not at all a bad choise of word for it . Actully chaotic describes it better as freeflowing suggest you’re more at ease with adapting without stress and dont get stuck on small details , or too many things to consider detailwise as the creativity spits out more ideas in superspeed, and controlmania needs to evaluate all of them to find the optimal choise.
you just cant humanly keep up with the tempo of it all and somtimes it escalate tototal war and burnout.
The creativity in itself is freeflowing energy but as an intj i often would prefer to be much more in control. I cant force it and it takes its own twists and twurlz .
Kindof like a Fractal wich is also chaotic by nature 🙂
8:10 dominant
20:00 creative
29:15 normalizing
39:30 harmonizing
We can be creative because the information we absorb isn't just a pile of data, we use it to make connections between this and that, and not just traditional connections. "Normal" people might make a connection between A and B, but we go and make them between A and Q and so on. Started out my self-employment as a personal chef, but now am a self-employed graphic designer, baker, and seamstress. Always learning new things in all 3, and mostly working for/by myself eliminates the need to deal with incompetent people at a workplace. My apartment looks more like a work room than a living space, and that's the way I can organize so many things I like to do, because yes, they ARE paid hobbies. I don't want to become ambitious, either, because then I would have to hire employees, and I would absolutely hate that.
Thank you Margaret for adding to the conversation. ~ Joel
I love this! Me as an INTJ male, i experienced being all four of these subtypes during some point in my life and i'm not even close to old age. Still a young adult at his prime. On how i been through them, one half was simply due to inherent temperament, while the other half were born out of necessity because of circumstances i was born into which i had no control over. Naturally speaking, i vibe with the creative subtype the most. The dominant and normalizing subtypes developed from challenging conditions, and the willingness to survive such hardship. Last but definitely not least, the harmonizing subtype simply tends to be an organic progression as i got older by converging or combining bits of elemental qualities from each subtype into a customized medley, which they align with my individual needs, desires (aspirations, goals, ambitions, dreams, etc) and expertise.
I can say I'm a little bit of everything. When I was in highschool I showed more aspects of a dominant INTJ, as a child I showed more aspects of a creative INTJ, and now, in my 20th, I'm showing the harmonious subtype characteristics more than before. I am so interested in sociology, philosophy, humanities.
It's really interesting for me when you said harmonious subtypes tend to freeze in some situations if they haven't developed that specific part. Well, EXACTLY I am like this!!!!
I think about things and I plan ahead, and when I'm at that certain situation I already know what to do, however if I haven't thought about that matter, I'll just freeze!!!
Thanks for your informative podcast (video). I enjoyed every second of it!
I also had a similar experience as an intj, but i have seen how financial crisis has affected me and making me lean towards normalising sub type a certain period of my life. But as an inexperienced intj i have had difficulty understanding certain fast tracking of my skill tree in certain aspects and would like to know how i can min max certain aspects of my life. Or a guide in understanding intj better.
I think INTJ'S that are harmonizing subtypes would make great Psychiatrists they can compartmentalized their feelings so that they can be objective so that their client's emotions won't affect them so that they can help solve the problems for their clients . And as you mentioned that this subtype likes one on one interactions.
Well, I haven't watched the video yet, but I just felt like you described my friendship style.
I can't help studying psychology even though I disagree with the psychological communities methods.
I don't think I would have the temperament for dealing with mental health issues every day.
I think we are better in mentorship or advising or coaching roles, as we are not the best at dealing with a patient spiraling
Thank you very much for your continued growth and development of cognitive abilities. I am a 76 year old women, who has been studying personality traits for years. I bought your car model test and came out as a Infj and then researched the Infj and knew I wasn’t a Infj, so I ask your support team if I could change over to intj, and they were very helpful and sent me the car model of intj.. Today July 27, 2023 I learned I am a harmonizing intj. Again thank you.
It's quite funny during my 30 years as Engineering Construction Project Manager it was pure Dominant INTJ - Conceive, develop, finance, build, reward contribution to society........The day I retired I literally flipped into a Creative INTJ taking up Pottery to in 3 years sell my work, took up Electric bass & drums to join a band in 3 years and pursuing many other curiosities . Common theme - Curiosity leads to Passion when goals & purpose are defined that justifies unleashing unlimited resources & autonomy to achieve Mastery.....pure INTJ
Thank you for bringing so much insight to a complex topic. I self identify as INTJ and now harmonizing. It's comforting to know where the nudgable edges are.
The creatice INTJ really explains why I´ve been doubting that I´m an INTJ. even though I´ve tested myself a tenfold of times and allways goten the same result. Just like you mesioned I´ve been thinking beetween INTJ-INTP just because I am more free flowing.
INTJ here. I believe I am of the dominant subtype. I am in management in a very practical field and love it!
Me too… I never go for less than a manager because if I can’t lead I can’t my own opinion to fight with those damaging brain
My husband and I watched this together and really enjoyed it 😊 I'm a Normalising/Harmonising INFP and we reckon he's a Creative/Dominant INTJ. He's an entrepreneur who started a digital marketing business. Also a big fan of the video format and highlight pop ups, rather than the static image (this is the first time I've got him to sit through an entire episode 😂).
I am an INTJ & I have a story to tell that can help your studies. I thank you for your work and send blessings to your work!
Very interesting and helpful.
Im an normalizing INTJ i somewhat tried/connected to the creative INTJ but i distanced myself from that and im trying my way in more dominant INTJ field of stock market and data analytics.
Yeah I love the arts, but the opportunistic attitude of the people in that business, the social climbing, the abusive gatekeepers a la weinstein at the top, etc. turned me off. I got into a better paid job that gives me peace of mind, leverage and options.
INTJ female - 11 years as a Computer Programmer Analyst and 19 years as Systems Software Engineer. Loved my work! I’m retired now.
This episode was very informative. In response to the query at the end, I found myself identifying with the normalizing a bit, creative a bit more, but when you hit on harmonizing it lit up all the lights in my head, and I thought, "That's the one!" As for my professional life, my jobs have always been just that. While young, I searched for a career that I could throw myself into and would provide personal fulfillment, but each time I fully invested in a job it turned out to be a disappointment, such that in my stage of life now, I simply work to get paid. I am now looking towards self employment in ethical hacking, and I very much enjoy cultural and political analysis as a hobby.
I’ve listened vividly I’m confound that your not wrong and everything is a matter of perspective
I am an Art Curator/Painter INTJ. I love making thought provoking art. I wonder if you guys think Renee Magritte and M.C. Escher were INTJ artists?
Hi Roopa. Not sure of their types. We stay away from typing people from a distance and prefer to follow the originator’s methods (Dr Carl Jung) to determine type via a psyche to psyche conversation. We teach the methodology in our Profiler Training Course.
Thank you for watching and commenting. - Joel
Of course it's just a guess but Escher seems like he was, based on the way he used frameworks to algorithmically design much of his art.
I’m an INTJ and this drops on my birthday😂🔥
Just how did you manage to comment 7 days ago on a video uploaded 3 hours ago? 😃
@@claudiamanta1943 🤣
Thank you Alrens for watching. Happy Birthday! - Joel
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I think I'm a combination of dominant and creative. Infact a big portion of Careera you mentioned for dominant is what I'm interested in but I am in the process of starting my own business. I believe I can build this business rather than wait to grow through the ladder
Thank you for the feedback. - Joel
I have always tested as INTJ and now I believe I fit into the Harmonizer box as well. Very interesting and it explains a few things for me as well. Thank you!
Been waiting for this one for 3mo. Awesome.
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60 years old, pediatric dentist, developed systems, great carrier.
Never in life can (or want) an INTJ be an architect. This is a Sensation function par excellence.
As an INTJ Actor/Writer, this is helpful
I truly appreciate the exceptional breakdown you provided, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about the various subtypes. Thank you for sharing such valuable information with us!
Glad it was helpful. Thank you for sharing. Knowing it’s making an impact helps us keep going. - Joel
Question about the neurotransmitters (NT), you guys have mentioned in each video which NT each subtype likes to chase. Do you think individuals have an innate preference for one/some NTs over others? I think I can isolate the times when I've had a rush of each NT. They all feel good, like for instance, when I'm in a crowd experiencing a thing together with lots of other ppl, maybe I'm getting a lot of seratonin?? It's a good feeling but it's not as pleasurable as when I'm being creative and getting lots of dopamine. A video or info on what exactly "chasing a NT" means and how it could affect subtype in the short- and long-terms would be super interesting!
Thanks again for another great video!
Thanks for the comment. We need to invite Dr Helen Fisher and Dr Dario Nardi onto the show together to unpack this. - Joel
Creative and Normalizing. Creative by having flexible goals rather than SMART goals.. i have too many goals/interests to manage. Normalizing by linear thinking and very detail oriented. Both on being visual.
I think I am dominated by the Creative, but the others also join the team often, especially the harmonising one (which probably dominated my teenage years) :)
And I am a scientist, but working mainly in innovation and new product development. In my 20s, I have worked like a lunatic just to be able to turn my hobby into a profession.
Thank you for watching and giving feedback about which subtypes you identify with. - Joel
I’m a creative INTJ, lucky to work as an architect :)
The harmonizing INTJ also sounds like some descriptions of what it's like being autistic. Specializations of the brain and some confusion wrt. unexpected/untrained social interactions. And the lack of a halo.
We autistics are probably biased both towards being INTJs and also biased towards being harmonizing.
This is a fascinating connection. My mother-in-law thinks I'm autistic so I was curious and took a number of tests online which all came back definitely not autistic. Just yesterday I came across the description of harmonising INTJ and it fit me 100%
I started listening on the website but came over to TH-cam for the video! I believe I'm a Harmonising INTJ. I mistyped myself as INFJ but it didn't quite fit, especially remembering how I was when I was younger, and my INTP husband was dubious too. Your test came back INTJ but it wasn't until hearing the description of the harmonising subtype that it made sense. I've long felt that I've changed since having my kids and being a stay-at-home mother, and the nurture theory behind subtypes would fit that hypothesis.
Great. After my dissolution I’ve dove into MTBI and this channel, I have to say I’m pissed how stereotypical INTJ I am and how much you call me out… then after probably 20+ hours of diving, I hear you completely pick me apart as a harmonizing INTJ. I knew I was different, but unusually different is just great🤦♂️ lots of work to do.
Wow - I was mistyped as ESTJ when I was younger, and can be typed as ENTJ depending on what test I do. But I know I’m NOT E. Thanks for this video, now I know I’m the dominant INTJ 😂 thanks!
Thank you for the feedback. - Joel
Omg .. this clip was like.. someone bridge into my being =))) I am female Harmonizing INTJ.. gotta tell you guys, you did rock my boat for sure!😂😂😂
Interesting. Seems I am a creative with a dominant career who enjoys small talk like a normalizer.🙂 Office politics/hierarchies are draining, consulting has been somewhat helpful in avoiding this. I could never be mistaken for an ENTJ, ISTJ, or INFJ. The comment starting at 55:55 makes sense. Thank you!
I maybe one of the INTJs that often mistype as INTP. I have a hard time relating to the Te function and have a bit of a negative view of it since I am not a fan of the business or corporate world.
Thank you Joseph for sharing your personal experience. - Joel
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Thank you for spending the time to create and share this content 🙏🏾❤️
I'm primarily the creative subtype and secondarily the dominant subtype. When I was a teenager and in my early 20s I was primarily the dominant and secondarily the creative subtype.
i am a creative type intj, and i am the chaos, if people don't understand, they should look into chaos theory, fractals, infinite complexity in a finite space, good and tasty stuff, food of the gods, muahahahahaha, the devil is in those details, the small things cause massive changes over time
I began listening to your podcast but switched to TH-cam because I am a visual. I need my paper planner for a visual. I do lists. I have always seen the big picture. I plan every minute. I am older and I think I tapped into my dominant quadrant as an executive assistant and chair of a planning commission. I take charge on committees and I’m all business. I tend to tell people I’m not a people person and I’ll let someone else do the nice part. I’m all business and I get the job done. I’m direct and tend to not pay attention to other’s feelings when doing a job. On the other hand, on a personal level, I am an empath and can experience emotion overload because I feel other’s emotions. I feel like I may have parts of all the quadrants. Y’all mentioned that in the talk. Is this possible.
I guess I'll be even more sure of being an INTJ. I think I was meant to be the creative subtype. When young, I got steered into normalizing. I never had many opportunities to try specifically dominant subtype interests and I can't even imagine myself becoming a harmonizing subtype.
Same here, 101% sure now i’m an intj. Went from norm to dominant-creative. Right now i’m oscillating between the latter.
Glad this was a useful show Pamela. Thank you for commenting. - Joel
@@Huizar thank you for sharing. - Joel
Very interesting video, I've manually modulated testosterone, estrogen, and dopamine throughout my career and definitely noticed changes along these lines even while in the same position. Some stories and perspectives that I thought I would never have (why I did it). Curious about the other neurotransmitters/peptides and how they might effect subtype. I believe INTJ is my best fit type
This is super- interesting, many thanks for sharing.
Could you give us more information about the Harmonising sub- type, please? Value- based ✅✅ Struggling with mundane things ✅ (my brain, whichever way is wired, dies instantaneously with pain of sheer boredom 😄). My mind froze (literally) only very few times in my lifetime and I still struggle when presented with idiocies (I would not even mind cognitive faults if only the end product worked! I can’t stoop lower than this) of such gargantuan proportions that I honestly don’t know what to think or what to do. I’m very serious, this is not a gratuitous hyperbole. Speaking of neural pathways- I just don’t have one similar to those of the person/ people from whom the incomprehensible stupidity emanated. I do struggle. What others call ‘common sense’ is nonsensical. What others call logic is anything but logical. What others call efficiency is anything but. What they call truth and morality are just cynical jokes. It’s like their minds operate within a network of concepts that have lost the real meaning. Observing them, let alone trying to integrate within their realities, is very painful and frustrating.
I’ve been in work environments that require me to be a Normalising sub- type. Very low social status jobs within systems run by Se people without any vision, insight, creativity, or ability to really empathise. My mask of Normalising INTJ falls quickly when I need to take action and the real me- Dominant bursts forth with an intensity that, needless to say, repeatedly got me into trouble (‘Who the hell do you think you are?!’ type of reaction from others). Obviously, me being right didn’t matter. At work I must repress the Dominant, but it is my mode. I want results. I know what I’m talking about. And I keep it separate from my private life when I indulged myself in the Creative mode.
One thing, though, doesn’t fit. I do believe that hierarchies are natural, but I am not interested in the least in climbing to the top, simply because one has to be extremely stupid to wish to be a manager of a business that is in liquidation. Managing a team of incompetents is not leadership, it’s damage control. I do appreciate I sound arrogant, but it’s true (for me, at least).
PS- the observation about being auditive is eerily accurate 😮😃
Hi Claudia. Thank you for sharing. Appreciate it. - Joel
@@Personalityhacker how to know what type of intj am i . artistic or.
@@b.e.d.e.m. If you believe that humans are divorced from nature, you’re partially right. Humans are a strange species, worse than monkeys. Human hierarchies are animal hierarchies dressed in whatever clothes. The rhetorical cleverness replaced the brawn, the sticks and the stones (though stoning is still a thing- a spiritual thing, no less and body building is an industry 😄), but the same principles apply. May monkeys forgive my comparison because they only do what animals are supposed to do. All other animals don’t destroy their own environment. Humans are nothing but slightly more cognitively sophisticated monkeys, be them speculating about the immortality of the soul, waging wars, or creating taxonomies. The perverted animal is always inside, piloting the human. It’s not even buried that deeply- scratch the thin coating of ‘civilisation’ and see 🙄😄
So. The forms of the cultural products are divorced from nature (unfortunately), but quintessentially, they are based on animal instincts.
@@b.e.d.e.m. Well, well, well, Dr Peterson 😄 (you sound a lot like him).
You introduced patriarchy in discussion. In my non- specialist opinion, be it patriarchy or matriarchy, the same animal impulses are at play. Survival is the ultimate goal. Give me an example of culturally induced impulses that are not rooted in animal biological basics, please.
As for meaning…nothing else than a desperate attempt of the animal to either make the chaos which his cognitive development cursed it with, tolerable, and gain a sense of false control- not dissimilar to a monkey holding a stick to beat/kill other monkeys with or, at least, hit the tree of life in hoping that the banana of redemption and immortality falls down.
@@b.e.d.e.m. Why? Did you take it as an insult? 😄 Is you being offended a subterfuge to not reply?
Thanks for a great video and podcast. I have been waiting for it for so long…the last of 16.!
Is the harmonizing more auditory or visual. You mentioned which one each subtype was except for the harmonizing. I’m harmonizing so interested to know.
Thank you!❤
I have reason to think I'm more harmonizing. I'm a teacher of elementary kids, Life coaching some folks, I'm a musician in 3 bands. I 'm also writing a couple of books( but yes the organizing is questionable in me for those projects) And I have my own Spiritual TH-cam channel where I can hash out my thoughts and ideas based in science and spiritual concepts.
I am an INTJ architect
Excellent video
According to Gulenko, DCNH subtypes are measured by the following 3 Polarities of situational behaviors found in his book "64 Types":
1) Under stress and facing a tense challenge:
Contact: Actively confronts the danger with vigor and excitement. (Dominant/creative)
Distant: Withdraws themselves from confrontation to avoid freezing or losing one's balance to preserve inner control. (Normalizing/harmonizing)
2) Projects and relationships:
Terminal: Seeks closure, completes what is started, streamlines, seeks to control one's world. (Dominant/normalizing)
Initial: Undertakes and switches easily to a new activity. Predisposition to multitask and be at one with what comes. (Creative/harmonizing)
3) External environmental changes:
Connective: Reacts with sensitivity. Agreeable. (Dominant/harmonizing)
Ignorative: Pays little attention. Focused on one's own understanding and interests. (Creative/normalizing)
Combining these three polarities, we get the following DCNH subtypes:
• Contact, terminal, connective - dominant (D)
• Contact, initial, ignorative - creative (C)
• Distant, terminal, ignorative - normalizing (N)
• Distant, initial, connective - harmonizing (H)
mine’s contact, terminative, ignorantive though. so i can’t find my subtype via this way. i think i’m a mix of Creative and Dominant
Hi! Can I ask why do you consider data analytics as dominant INTJ? Can a normalizing intj be a data analyst? (My case)
Hi Anna. Thank you for the comment. These are trends not absolutes. I think there are a lot of ways it can show up a bit differently as your personal experience reflects. - Joel
INTJ currently getting a PhD in Neuroscience
I've been trying to find my career. I have not been challenged enough as an adult
I'm an Assistant Vice President at a very large security officer company!
Is Dario Nardi Harmonizing INTJ, highly specialized in personality?
I think Dario identifies as primarily a Creative right now. -A
@@Personalityhacker Thanks for letting me know. That helps to see how he is and acts with that subtype. I definitely saw holistic Effectiveness in him.
As an INTJ, things I noticed from the video.
INTJ's make it their goal to project there FI values but do so objectively (Doesn't mingle well with faith based mandated religions).
It ends up being a theory-based value system where we can falsely believe in something and gather evidence for it, to find out
we wasted a lot of time on something not real. My brother is an INTJ as well and is a normalizing INTJ completely rejects his Ni
because a church cult he ended up in. Fe trickster is a BITCH. We can read that some, not all, people have good intentions,
However, good intentions are weaponized all over the world. INTJ's once a victim of this, it's hard for us to come back to society again.
Long story short, as an INTJ, I couldn't figure out my type because I'm good at everything I do, and I've embraced the fact that if I didn't use
my Se, I was going to rot away in a production plant as a shipping and receiving supervisor. I'm also not afraid of people's stupid bullshit anymore,
which makes me more tactful an outgoing. But when I'm not working, I'm at home, not doing anything accept listening to videos like this, Graham Hancock, etc.
**EDIT** I'm now a public adjuster, it's a very good career for INTJ, matches our Te with perfect precision. The pay is far more than any google search will tell you. It says 80k a year, but it's more like 500k.
Did they say if Harmonizing INTJ subtype was visual or auditory?
Having an own TH-cam channel is not "enterpreneurial" - having a company is.
Hi both, I'm sorry to say that as an INTJ I really found it really hard to identify with any of these subtypes (and the careers described). I've listened to it three times now. Still not resonating! However when you talk about INTJ in its most generic form (in other podcasts) I do recognise myself. Is it possible that it's harder for you to put language to the 'variations' for INTJs? I'd love to talk about this!
Considering we’re using Dr Dario Nardi’s language for the subtypes based on his research with EEG scans and combined with Dr Viktor Gulenko’s research in Socionics and Dr Helen Fisher’s work with neurotransmitter/hormone preference theory… 🤷♀️ -A
Which "laboratory"? Dr. Nardi is antropology professor, not a neuroscientist.
I’ve had people say they think I’m autistic even people who’ve said I’m smart I’m assuming they mean Aspergersesk. Is there a relation between ADHD and and INTJ. I thought I had it but I quit having to do inventory when I switched jobs and it almost was just that task I could not focus on I hated it.
I was gunna ask the same thing. If ADHD is a reliable or unreliable variable in. Knowing ADHD Im gunna ssume unreliable though. We're special. 😶
I think I am predominantly a Harmonizing/Creative INTJ. In other words, a complete mess.
I am INTJ female and took test to guide career and number one was lawyer and number two was politician. Are INTJ’s known to be liars?
for me I'm an artist and writer amongst other's lol
oh. yes I'm INTJ
So… this video was uploaded how long ago? 7 days ago? 7 hours ago? Or 3 hours ago? 🤨
Is this a joke?
Hi Claudia - I answered your other comment - and I’ll add it here too. This was a TH-cam premier which allows comments before the video goes live. Thank you for watching. - Joel
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Don’t believe the hype. If u r INTJ don’t get into some job position where you gotta manage a bunch of wind up robots. Best INTJ career is author, artist, consultant, etc. Find a way to get people to pay you to explain how the world actually works. Managing and motivating humans will drive you mad lol.
And don’t be afraid to specialize in everything lol.
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Halo effect? I thought it means positive impression of someone. Where do you get the definition of “general daily tasks”? 😮 brain wiring.
The Halo Effect in psychology is a bias towards someone that distorts one's perception of them.
A halo effect when reading EEG scans simply means there is a perceptible ring around a person's brain that lights up when doing certain tasks.
Same name, different meanings for different contexts.
Thanks for the question!
-Antonia
I get bored and quit
Curious if there is a way to understand how ADHD could tie into this as ADHD is highly unreliable. Im using personality research to find a career path after my miserable time in the military of 7 years. Hard to know for sure which subtype I am as I feel like I fall into each of them in their own ways. 😪
You are just a project with nothing to add.
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