Wife Considered Reunion with Husband Who Attempted to Murder Her | Frank Howard Case Analysis
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It’s a huge insult to the mother that her children still support their father. He cheated on his wife, stole money from his employer, and tried to have his wife murdered. How much more proof do they need that the father is a monster?
The daughter who talks non-stop in the Dateline video is obviously on something. She's high as a kite.
Reconciliation with a person who tried to murder her and left her permanently disabled is totally crazy.
And fits perfectly with everything else that happens in this story.
It's probably hard to think straight after a bullet goes through your brain.
He's got to go to sleep sometime 😮😂😂😂😂😂
@@rmooregmeth ADDICTS
He husband must be a smooth talker
The part about this case that bothers me the absolute most is that his 3 children still believe he is innocent! What a betrayal to the woman who gave them life!
Yes, his children are just as disgusting as he is!
Probably the money. It's something off about the oldest daughter
@@goodpeopleprosper635Is the oldest daughter the one who talked the most in the interview? If so, she came across as a complete ditz.
Agree
The older daughter came across as being in total denial of her father’s actions. Her responses were so off the mark..
Can you imagine the low self esteem that makes her think he's the best option. So sad
All her children believe him and were angry at her, they stood behind him in court that wasn't mentioned here. When you got family friends and all your children believing he didn't do it you tend to question if they are right. Thankfully she came to her senses and moved on with her life.
@@roguechevelleoh my god. Poor woman. 😢
She didn't really want Frank back. She wanted her memories of the good times to be real and not based on deceit and lies.
some people live in their memories, not reality.
It would have been a lot cheaper to have paid a divorce settlement than to have continued to pay "hit men", the mind boggles!!!
Lol over 2 million he got be rich haha tacos bag omfg 🤬 she hurt !!!
I hate to say it but if he was so bored with his marriage it would have been cheaper and easier to just hire hookers.
Probably not - half of everything is a lot of money when you're rich.
@@griegomas he wasn't rich though, he was embezzling money from his employer...
@@Elleffe yeah it's true, ill gotten gains - an even better reason not to get divorced. Splitting assets would reveal the issue
If my husband tried that hard to kill me, I don't think I'd have the emotional stamina to ever be in a relationship again.
I know. It’s bad enough knowing someone doesn’t want you but if they want you dead that’s a bit of a kick to the gut. I’d stay single.
And even good relationships take a boat load of emotional stamina!
or she wanted him home so she could "return the favor"
@@adotintheshark4848 "Keep your friends close and, your enemies closer."
I absolutely cannot believe these daughters are that stupid when there is absolute straight up evidence that he hired these people to kill his wife wake up and try to support ur mother how stupid are there girls
I think a divorce would have been a lot cheaper than hiring and trusting a string of criminals.
He was stealing the funds 😂
I may never get tired of Dr. Grande's "mostly because of the murder part" comments.
Imagine if someone proposed this as fiction, you'd say the whole thing was laughably implausible.
Michael Lee Lorence, 46, was arrested following a Hemet Police Department investigation into the death of Melanie Conroy, 47. In California in 2022.
Yes a bad plot for a novel indeed
It reminds me of the movie Fargo.
@@pwallace5359 Good call! It would have to be played out as a farce
I wish I could sit down with Dr Grande, give him my life story and have him speculate what’s going on within me.
I’ll wait in line behind you
Just go to college and major in Psychology to learn what’s wrong with you, that’s what other crazy people do.
@@Big_Tex thx big tex.
I would be on the floor if I got dragged by Dr. Grande
Same bro, same!!
It is totally insane that this woman almost lost her life and yet was willing to forgive he ex because of the so-called wonderful man she knew during her marriage and in totally denial of a monster he is.
I have so many concerns about this case.
1. Exactly how expensive is divorce in their state that this man would continue to pay for this murder?
2. How stupid is Frank?
3. It's alarming to me that police departments, even in the United States would rather a victim than prevent a crime from happening 😞
Exactly what I thought
I guessing the meth heads started threatening to talk if he didn’t pay more money! Or maybe since it wasn’t his money to begin with he didn’t care how much he spent!
If there's no victim there's no crime.
You’ve hit the nail on the head with #3!!! & then when there actually IS a crime they often couldn’t care less about doing due diligence unless there’s some external pressure on them, like from public scrutiny if the situation makes the news cycle for example. The pigs- oops(!) I meant police seem to always find excuses for not investigating as they should, especially if it’s a missing person who is 18+ or even a teenager as they are always labeled as a runaway, that is until their body shows up & it turns out they’d only recently been killed & if the police had done their jobs then the death could have been avoided. Sorry- I’m bitter.
Well Jasmin, I'm thinking...
1. Less than the cost of repeatedly paying the cost of a murder along with the cost of multiple bail amounts.
2. Stupid enough not to realize that ppl that repeatedly get arrested will snitch him out for trying to kill his wife for a lesser punishment in their current cases and he will have provided proof of their story by signing his name on the bond papers with receipt for payment. It establishes a connection between him and the hit men and also raises the question of why is a millionaire repeatedly bonding out broke dope heads.
3. Cops don't believe broke dope heads. They prob figured they were making it all up in an attempt to score a plea deal in exchange for snitching on Frank's murder conspiracy. Meth heads come up with all kinds of stores that never happened.
However, the police should always investigate a claim like that regardless of who it comes from just in case.
Also, meth heads know everything about everybody in the streets so even if they lied about him offering to specifically pay Them to do this job, it's highly likely that they did actually hear a story in the streets about him offering someone money to kill his wife. You never can tell for sure or not but if police were doing the job they're getting paid for then that requires them to look into any information brought to their attention. They had a responsibility to make sure she was safe, just in case but instead chose to disregard their statement. Luckily she didn't die as a result.
There's evidently no intelligent players anywhere in this tale.
Can't imagine what that community must be like 😂
Frank Howard perfectly illustrates that human depravity and stupidity are limitless. In his case, they both occurred in the same person.
I have never heard of such a bizarre case in my life, to spend so much money to do away with your wife!! Nancy must be “ Nuts “ to consider having the man back in her life who was desperate to get rid of her. It boggles my mind actually! Thanks Dr Grande.
There is a case similar. A woman left her bf and got into a relationship with a good guy. The ex bf came back and shot both her and the new bf. New bf died, she lived. He was going through the court case for this, out on bond. She MARRIED the psycho bf and he did kill her a couple of weeks later. I forget the names but its a recent case.
Do you think this is a victim mentality? Like they are so used to violence that they can’t see a way out of it?
@@MoncheriRousnah bro they are just crazy
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@@MoncheriRousTrauma and ptsd for sure
Michael Speck was sentenced to 12 years for aggravated assault in this case. He ratted out the shooter, but received more time. His mother was my ex sister-in-law!
Too bad that the police didn’t investigate earlier. They had a guy in custody who was dumb enough to admit that he was attempting to be a hired hit man. They had an even dumber perpetrator in the husband. They could have had him wear a wire. Better safe than sorry in these cases.
Seriously, tells cops he's a murderer and they're like "whatever" 🤡
and the police were even dumber to disregard the admission.
How her kids r in denial n stood by her dad the murderer was do heartbreaking. This woman lost her family. I feel so terrible for her
Sounds like they were just like their father so really not much to lose IMO.
The cactus candles are a nice touch. This case really seemed like a bad movie plot-a combination of drama and slapstick, right up until the point Nancy got shot. I’m glad she was able to move on with her life. Thanks for covering this Dr. Grande.
Seems like a case for the Coen brothers or Wes Anderson
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@@noway-uf7peit is actually cactus.
Despite of the devastation I felt while listening to the story I giggled every time you were saying he was paying more and more to the drugheads and probably feeling the perfect mastermind this world saw. The dellusion. 😅
But seriously, it is terrifying how someone can be married half of their life and still get killed by the spouse.
Everyone in this story is wacky from bumbling criminals, to homicidal husband, to desperate & delusional wife. Great points esp about infidelity. Thanks Dr G😊💚💚
Couldn't say it better 😂😂
@@josephinewahura4151 Thanks! 😁👍
Don't forget the police. They too sucked.
@@M-qw9ru Yes very funny & strange. How the husband had that much $ to blow too with no results is quite bizarre too🤯💸It was almost like a comedy.
Yeah, sounds like a Coen Brothers movie
It must have been horrible for Nancy to believe things that were not true with the person you trusted and shared so many memories. Glad to hear that Nancy could move on.
This story is like the screenplay of a Cohen Brothers movie .Hilariously absurd and populated with clueless characters, This proves that truth is stranger than fiction, and often much funnier! Thanks, Doc another great, speculation on possibilities that may be involved in the development of this non-diagnosis.
True! Reminds me blood simple
Or Fargo.
@@CynthiaMiller-px9ybRight. Like “Fargo”. This story has all of the elements. Kooky, inept would-be hit men, dufus spouse, plot gone wrong.Everything but the accent. Oh wait- they prob had Texas accents.
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Both "Fargo" and "Blood Simple" ARE Cohen Brothers movies.
Not certain what was funny about this but some people will laugh at anything, I suppose.
I believe the greater majority of us went to school. We learnt right from wrong, ABC, how to cross a road, stranger danger, don't fight, and learn to help each other. Some of those things drifted away in secondary ed and probably more at University. The one class i never recall attending, in all those years, is its ok to murder your spouse. I truly, honestly, just don't get it, and frankly, im glad i can't understand it. Thanks Dr Grande. ❤️
"I imagine that would be an awkward reunion, mostly because of the attempted murder part."😂
I don't know how one can go back to the person who attempted murder. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets offed by him for a second time.
Is anyone actually watching the vid? She's divorced from him and remarried now. She only considered it likely because all of her children believed their father and blamed her their mother for him going to prison, this was not mentioned here as this detail was left out but when you've got all your family friends and your children believing him telling you he didn't do it you start to think they could be right. She eventually came to her senses.
You can't off someone but once 😂❤.
@@KoolTspeak for yourself!!
I think he will try again or maybe payback is a bitch.
Many victims of dv experience Stockholm syndrome. Society, family, friends also has a way of guilt tripping the victim for tearing apart families or ruining that persons life by alerting authorities. Many ppl will even begin to look at the victim as heartless, vindictive or problematic. Plus I’m sure they also had good times throughout their marriage. Abuse is very complex & I feel like your mind slowly starts to deteriorate
Dude, you include a completely hilarious droll zinger in every episode. Hats off. I love busting out laughing while listening to true crime. ( also hat's off to motivation analysis. That is the crux, period.
So true Dr. Grande! I do feel very sorry for Nancy. I believe she was really in a state of shock. However, this case is truly a “Carnival of Idiots“! I’m happy to hear that Nancy has remarried and moved on.
I've watched almost all of TH-cam's crime docs, and this case has the most oddities by far.
Award should be given to commentator for keeping a straight face throughout
I'm sorry for women like Nancy.
He took all this time and money to have her killed and didn't think "honestly, we could just get a divorce 🤷♀️" this man is a coward.
Your final thoughts on infidelity being like a powerful drug are clear and true. People's motivations for going into affairs go way beyond the sexual, I think it's more often a delusional plan to "have it all" and escape the present, unfulfilling life. The affair must seem like the solution to all of a cheater's problems. (Spoiler alert for cheaters: it isn't).
So insightful.
Thanks for the upload before the hockey game, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humor and dry sarcasm.
Frank was really deranged. Evil is among us!
I knew the dating pool was a bit shallow, but is it bad enough to get back into a relationship with the man who tried to have you murdered?😟
well said statements about cheaters. they really want the cake and to eat it too, but they also want to seem like a good person who doesn't eat cake until the absolute bitter end. sometimes even after the end, lying about the reason for ending the relationship. cowardly behavior, this dude would rather have killed her than admit to being a POS & ending their relationship or even just lying. 🚮
Cactus candle heck yea
Why can’t people lower expectations and live a simple life? Just get a cat or dog.
@@M-qw9ru🎯
That's what I did decades ago. So peaceful 😻 except for all that meowing & litter box refills.
Some people really believe and want a shot at "love". So if they are in a bad marriage and they meet someone new they might test the water to see if the new person is all it's cracked up to be. Eventually reality sets in. That's why I think people have affairs for the most part. But people would never fool around if they were happy in their marriage.
@@dubaiedge ❤ this is a ME TOO moment ❤
Maybe divorce would have been little cheaper.
Not these days. Those stay at home women have got plenty of time on their hands to screw a guy out of all of his life’s work and earnings. Best advice, don’t get married.
sad his kids actually believe he is innocent, they just can't fathom it but they are blinded by that, the facts are immense here.
Hey Doc. Any chance you could do a video about the "Garden Gnome Massacre", in Florida twenty years ago, when three elderly Floridians were found murdered, and one cop -- *only one* -- discovered that the "garden gnomes" in their front yard were all in *slightly different positions* than before the murders! This poor guy lost his job because of this -- no one wanted to believe that garden gnomes could come to life and murder their owners -- but he once had a friend who was into black magic, and he knew what a spell could occasionally do. A few days after he was fired, he disappeared forever. And so did the gnomes.
So if you could do a video about it, that would be really cool. Thanks!!
Wow, that is a crazy story. I'd like to hear more about it.
I'm sorry. What?????
😂😂
Troll city
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The whole thing is so amazing. The monster husband was stupid beyond belief! I am glad the poor woman pulled herself together and broke free. Thank you for the video.
Neither Frank/John nor Nancy seems too bright.
These two daughters are aweful standing behind someone that paid to have there mother killed how stupid can these girls b they set on there fathers side in court how awful is that not standing behind there mother rotten kids!!
If he was grandiose, entitled, etc., it sounds like he's a narcissist or maybe even sociopath with the ability to lead a double life. I saw this case on Dateline. It struck me how not only did the kids not believe their dad did this (and the stolen $), but they snubbed their mother. I can't imagine the pain and betrayal she must have felt. Nott only did her husband try to kill her with stolen money (for years), but also her own kids didn't support her. 😢 . It's really tragic.
Yikes. Frank might be a Narcissist, just not a smart one.
I’m glad Nancy was able to see him for who he really was and that she is doing well now. ❤
Forgiveness is one thing, reconciliation is another.
Surely a divorce would've been much cheaper.
Hi, Dr. Grande. I love your content. Can you please look into the death of singer Sam Cooke?
"How NOT to Kill a Wife and Other Improbable Shenanigans". Dr. Grande never disappoints. Nancy's (very likely) low self esteem for a number of reasons - cognitive dissonance, financial ignorance within the marriage, naivete, etc is not entirely unexpected, but still pitiable. I am glad that she was able to move on. Wish her the best.
How is someone so brave to hire a hitman and have their spouse killed but too afraid to just get a divorce ?
Am I the only one who is so happy the fake hit men squeezed every dime from him. 😂😂😂 well done.
How many days has it been without a Sammy the Bull video??
At what point would you not just divorce your wife, even if there was life insurance after he blew through all of that money he’d be breaking even, this is such a bizarre case
"He would murder his brain with methamphetamine instead of murdering Frank's wife" Always delivering wirh the jokes 😂 I swear just when I think I've seen the dumbest criminals out there, another case tops the last. Pre-paying a known drug addict for any reason, is ill advised. Thank God his plans fell apart, for the most part, and she survived. What a strange, sad, sensless act. Thank you for another great analysis, Dr Grande!!! ❤
Dr. Grande! Thanks for sharing. There are some true scumbags within this story, not to mention very unintelligent people making stupid decisions... like Frank and Billie, for example. Lol.
We appreciate your insights, Dr Grande. We will always support you no matter what.
Love and stupidity go hand in hand 😂great comparisons ! Love your sense of humor! Sometimes you just have to laugh at the absurdity 🥰
How in this world can those daughters say on national tv just how blind they are and not stand by ur mom that got shot in the head, and sorry girls hes out of appeals so support him all u want!!!!
Here’s one for you. My aunt and uncle were separated for a while due to an affair, but reconciled years ago. As they began to fail from age, he tried to convince her that his former lover could live with them and take care of them. The former lover had taken a lot of money from him and always was asking for more, even after the affair ended. I told my aunt she would end up at the bottom of a well if she allowed it. She reluctantly followed my advice.
Is this really "true" - could never even be considered for a "movie plot" - too strange
What a title! Reading that you know you're in for a doozy! 🙃
Great analysis, Dr. Grande👍
How does a company bit notice millions of dollars missing only until after he gets arrested 🤦🏻♀️…..
This sounds like a Coen brothers movie. 😂
I do hope Nancy found happiness and peace after all that.
Frank doesn’t know how good he had it! My ex wife won’t even talk to me and I did nothing wrong. She would have taken him back? Weird people in a weird world.
No at first she was questioning if he did it, but she would absolutely not take him back when she saw the evidence against him- that’s not true
@@belgiumgirl8970 Good to hear this analysis
What a story! Thank you, Grande, for yet another interesting and informative analysis.❤ So many stories, so little time.❤
This is a theme that has surfaced quite a few times in your vids Doc. Whether the husband or wife, attempts to murder the other; plan fails then the victim stays?!!
Can't wrap my head around it.
Are they all desperados?
Excellent analysis.
Wow. The kiddos don’t realize they had been replaced too. That one just wants to inherit from a lying, cheating, thieving murderer
I can just imagine seeing these hit men trying to buy an illegal suppressor and thinking how great it would work as a meth pipe.
Beating someone to death with a baseball bat at a preschool does not sound like the kind of thing that would be classified as an accidental death.
A laughable statement! Also true.
Dumb & dumber. Makes me wonder how much sociopathy is heritable. What a heartbreak about her kids. And losing her eye.
As a bailbondswoman, this type of "client" is known as a golden goose. I put my kids through college on these morons.
Her daughters also turned on her, so she lost her husband, her daughters, & friends all because of this maniac.
Like father, like daughters
Some people are simply beyond redemption in their naiveté. Or stupidity.
13:17 - I understand why you say "aggressiveness" instead of _aggression_ sometimes, but surely in this instance "malice" is more appropriate than _maliciousness..._
Loving the new cactus additions
Hi Dr. Grande, good morning. Excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Love the castus candles
A lawn mower for his bodyguard. Thoughtful.
Must have been a really good bodyguard
Hello, Dr. Grande! I hope you're enjoying your night! Thank You!
There's an old saying that goes "A fool and his money are soon parted". Frank Howard is the epitome of this kind of fool.
There's another saying that goes "There's no fool like an old fool". Frank fits this description as well. Thinking with the wrong head will never lead men toward the outcome they may want or expect.
Interesting story, thank you.
He’s so slimy. He made my skin crawl through the screen when they were interviewed for a program. Glad to hear Nancy moved on.
It’s hard to believe that meth heads would so badly mismanage their funds
Her kids turned out to be jerks too, and abandoned her
Really? I wonder why.
Frank should have filed a report with the police. It's a shame you just can't take someone at their word anymore. Seems to me it would have been easier and cheaper to just divorce his wife.😉
Hello Dr.,
It is really something that he told the police he was a hired hit man. That is a major fumble on the police.
Also, could you analyze the case of :
Alya Reynolds
or Dennis Dechaine
All Maine cases.
Thank you for the great videos.
E
What an unusual case! Its amazing how she “escaped” murder so many times.
Thank you for the review, Dr. Grande.❤
This story reminds me of the movie Fargo.
How rich is this guy? Paying a million bucks and not getting any results. At first I was so excited I thought Billy was a brilliant hero but so sad that it kept going until Nancy was hurt. Glad she is still alive. Wish the cops had taken the first confession srsly!
She was deeply in love with her husband and does not want to face reality. The reality is too horrible. Frank is just a monster. At least she moved on.
How did Billy and the other hitmen explain needing more and more money when they hadn't done anything?
Wow. If this was presented as a script for a Movie of the Week story it would be rejected as being too unbelievable.
They made a movie already.
She's in shock.
Human behaviour does continue to baffle. But thanks, as always, Dr. Grande.
I imagine that Frank wanted the security of a relationship, regardless if it was his new relationship or the one with his wife.
It sounded like Frank had a lot of money to spare.
I am curious why mates don't ask more questions when their mates tell them of their unhappiness.
I am wondering if some day we can start the analysis with the Exculpatory Factors?
12:20 love that you still do it
You should check out the case of the man whose wife tried repeatedly to kill him, forgave her completely. A movie was made of it called I Love You Death. A dark comedy. People are indeed strange.