@@alexeysamokhin9629@alexeysamokhin9629 your disgusting defense of a murderer who set his own three children on fire, along with burning his estranged wife to death make me question what personality disorders and twisted traits you possess. To defend a baby killer is grotesque and says a lot about you.
Yes, although his being held responsible for child support could have unleashed his lethality on them, too. Any time one has children with a dangerous person, they have a permanent hostage and continual provocation as courts issue demands, which they invariably resent. I think the Billy Goat Gruff strategy (divert the villain with a choicer morsel so one can escape) the most practical strategy with abusers. When they are having their egos massaged by the new conquest and have devalued the old, there's the opportunity to flee.
Children always pay the Bill for the sexual fun of "adults"... Breeding should be as rigorous as adopting, with screening for mental health and competency tests.
@@thewallkingdread83that would and has been abused spectacularly in the past. I get that creating a kid doesn’t automatically make you fit to raise them but that approach would just be ushering eugenics back into the mainstream
True? I didn’t know he was from NZ till this video, the case haunted me. Sounds like a right fruit loop! Imagine being able to do that to your own children, he certainly lost the plot
@EmilDamil-wt1yfWe've always let Kiwi grubs in fsr and they can stay here for life without having to be naturalised or obtain citizenship, totally unfair to alk the other legit immigrants in my opinion who actually want to help our country prosper and appreciate the opportunities. Most kiwis end up costing the Aussie taxpayer far more than they ever contribute into the economy that's for sure, there was the 501 deportation legislation that was bought in by our conservative government in 2014 but they were unfortunately watered down and or loosened by our current and useless labour (left wing socialist PM and cabinet.
I agree and I'm sure she was gaslighted by the horrible man..but why keep having babies?..I'm not victim blaming..I just feel so frustrated by women giving these men a chance
@@Swansong321 The power of their charm and pull is something else, and you always hope they'll turn back into the real them, not realising this is the real them and the one at the beginning wasn't.
Yes. Abusers who don't even fool experts, in family court, they are not allowed to suggest (here in NZ) that they have personality disorders that can make them dangerous. I don't get it. A friend's ex, who is highly manipulative and abusive still has access to their children, and continues to send threatening emails to try and control her. And he is the type to one day, b*rn her house down. But she has no protection after a female judge removed a protection order a different judge gave her.
Yea, real narcissism. Not the narcissism diagnosed by every other person only each time they feel offended. This is the real deal and it is sad that term narcissism has been diluted by untrained internet doctors.
I agree. I think the people who call "narcissism" on any conversation they're losing is what happens when they're not educated on the narcissism spectrum.
Problem is very few are pointing out the societal conditions that make narcissistic behavior more common or even rewarded. Corporate capitalism thrives off sociopaths and narcissists
I live around the corner from the Clarke's home. I will never forget that morning and the noise coming from amount of police, helicopters, ambulance and firefighters. The loss of Hannah and her children devastated our community and helped with changing our laws to recognise coercive control. 3 years later and our community is still recovering. May Hannah and her children rest in peace.
@@AquaFyre stop dragging demons into this, humans conveniently blame gods who «weren’t proper carers of the incompetent little poopoo who has no brainy brainy », devil who «pulled the incompetent little poopoo by his balls, and poor poopoo didn’t even understand what happened », mommie or wifey who « poured alcohol into the incompetent little poopoo so unaware of his was PROVOKED TO DO by stupid incompetent carers », Trump, Biden, king Arthur, local baker, etc. One piece of s made a conscious decision and took a conscious action and he and all the sleazy cunning « little poopoos who conveniently blame 3rd Party » need to own what they consciously done based on their deliberate well thought choices. Leave demons out of it
There were very early warning signs. He abused his first wife & willingly left her & his child for his new love. Also he stopped paying child support for his first child. That should have given an indication of his character.
That is why one always should be very wary of someone love bombing you while telling you their sob story. He probably convinced her that his ex wife was the devil incarnate. Always suspect someone who paints their ex completely black.
Dr G has toned the story down. Rowan was hiding in the bushes at her parents’ house when he jumped into the car. Hannah was so badly burned that only the sole of one foot was unaffected by the attack. This was an extremely shocking event. In Australia, one woman a week is murdered by a current or former partner and 15 women are hospitalised each day due to domestic violence.
To be fair it also works the other way ...around a third of domestic violence cases are because of a female aggressor, females also murder other humans
@@oftin_wong no one said that men are never victims of domestic violence, but yall have to acknowledge the majority of domestic violence cases are against women. Men simply needs to acknowledge that their physical strength and the societal pressure that were imposed upon them makes them prone to violence. It's disgusting how lots of men are so self centered that even in a video about a male perpetrator you guys just have to take the spotlight when women acknowledges all over that men are victims in some cases too. It's just so annoying that you can't simply support women on this struggle, instead you have to say something that's already a no brainer.
@@giyavictoria3747 the majority of domestic violence cases are two humans having a go at each other until something snaps ...both are usually equally culpable I'm just talking statistics but you've sought to take it personally and make it personal by clearly choosing a side and demonizing the other side ...that's unsurprisingly something that females tend to partake in
@@oftin_wongyeah but your first comment didn’t have anything to do with the original comment, you just had to put your mgtow two cents in. Low empathy, always the victim, who does that sound like. An abuser.
I live in the suburb next to Camp Hill where this happened. Everyone was horrified by what happened to Hannah and her children. It was reported when neighbours tried to assist at the scene he yelled at them not to help 😢 Hannah's parents have channelled the grief of losing their daughter and grandchildren into raising awareness of DV and through their advocacy, coercive control is now legislated as a form of domestic volience in Queensland.
She tried to help rescue them herself but she was on fire , she was heard screaming their names , you consider what she was going through where she is on fire and can't get her kids out it is hell just thinking it , the first person on the scene must suffer this scene nightly. Horrific deaths , so sad 😪😪
Also, the fact that he was using large amounts of money from investors and her parents to pay for their gym business. THAT was another red flag. He never seem to have or want to use his own money.
I can't imagine doing that. Ive wanted nothing more than to have a mother to children I can raise and. support better than the fuck all my ;parents gave me. These types of crimes are unnaturally evil. They don't just happen.
This guy sounds like my dad. We're alive because my mom just gave him his way, no matter the cost to the rest of us and treats him like the box he believes himself to be. The consequence? I'm bipolar with PTSD, and attachment disorder, eating disorders and nightmares; my brother copes by using opiates and suffering a pile of mental health disorders himself. These guys should be taken out and publicly shamed, even if it's just so their victims can laugh.
I’m so sorry! I grew up in DV and I know the results, also. My brother and sister medicated themselves thru the pain with drugs. Of the cycle, I was the one who escaped that but the distrust I had of men lingered a very long time. That is why DV is so dangerous and I tell my daughter if I find out her husband is being abusive to her or those girls or in front of them, I’m filing for custody! I’m not going to allow my granddaughters to grow up in the hell I and my siblings did because my mother wanted to stay with an abuser! YES, she had a way out with us: her sister, our aunt, begged her to bring us to live with her, she refused. It took me many years to forgive her and I mean many!
Former victim of attempted strangulation and assault here. I fled my home 7 years ago. “Impossible situation “ is right. There is NO HELP for domestic violence victims/ survivors. Restraining orders are a joke. Attempted strangulation will get a night in jail, a small fine…and he’s out. This story only confirms what I already know.
Yup. I went to the police for help after being attacked by a man…and they arrested ME for an outstanding warrant from over ten years ago for literally having a joint in my car…mind you, weed has been legal in my state for like five years now lol. I was blown away. I paid my little bond, and I asked them after, what’s going on with my police report? They were like, oh this is the night shift now, the cops from earlier are gone now so we don’t know……. About a month later I found out that same guy went on to Rape a girl. I can’t even explain to you the rage I still feel for the complete lack of care they showed me.
@@laralexa454 I’m safe now! No longer dating, going on 7 years. I no longer feel safe with dating. I am healing and just opened my online bakery. I am working to put aside some profits for domestic violence victims locally. Thank you for your care 💕
@@AjHx90x I feel you on the rage I feel about the complete indifference about what we have endured. It’s sickening. Karma will bite these men in the ass when their time comes. Be safe 💕
Pure narcissism and selfishness. When you have no money but still producing children, deliberately bring children into the world to suffer living in a poor house. Even billionaires don't have more than two or 3 kids.
I had a brief marriage to a man who showed a few red flags before the wedding but I know now that normalized them. Afterward he started doing all the things Dr. Grande cited--spying, controlling mail, food, sex, screening phone calls, control of my separate money, family visits became a tug-of-war, etc. Shaming me if I didn't lose weight--(I was 130# at 5'6"). We went to counseling after 2 months of marriage. The counselor diagnosed him as 'clinically gradiose--this was the late 90s'. Though we stayed in counseling, I left him after 8 months. Within a month he was dating the counselor!
Psychology should be a mandatory class in high school. Perhaps we could teach our kids to recognize these psychos early enough to avoid such tragedies. Her parents must be distraught. I can’t imagine their pain and sorrow.
@@Juke582it’s really a job to teach your kids all of those thing not the school. And you can’t just teach the information so it will help them “watch out for people like them”. You teach them psychology to teach them how to have healthy mental health and healthy relationships
I’ve been saying exactly that for decades, only I feel it should start from primary school, albeit age appropriately, becoming more advanced each year. When children aren’t taught it at home, the next place is at school and who knows, it may even have an impact of the parents.
Reminds me of a great book: "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men," by Lundy Bancroft. It explains abusive behavior so well. Unfortunately abusers are often the last people to understand that they are in fact abusive and they are adept at manipulating others, including mental health counselors. Explains my ex very well.
Apparently the dude was real alpha, and that was that attracted her. I don’t believe he was a crazy monster. Most likely he discovered that she was cheating, had outbursts, she was embarrassed and AS ALWAYS HAPPENS use their children against him. He was pissed off and wiped out everyone.
@@esteemedmortal5917 there is ALWAYS a reason for every outrageous behaviour. People don’t to crazy things unprovoked. He was aging, they had a gym, they had a stream of young fit men going to their gym. He lost his status is an alpha in her eyes. She cheated. He was PISSED OFF. Then she decided to revenge him for an embarrassment and AS ALWAYS HAPPENED, use their children as weapons against him. Absolutely obvious. Why people don’t see a full story here? Life is more complicated that black and white.
That book was the beginning of my awakening to what I was actually entangled in! I will forever be grateful to the woman (a complete stranger) who recommended I read it. It led me out of denial and into knowledge of NPD, and finally to safety. Glad you mentioned it.
A beautiful woman living and helping people through the pcyc police citizen youth club. A woman would think any man she met there would be a fine person. My daughter says, "when spidy tingles, listen". My advice. Never uncover a narcissist. Run and hide. No contact. Hard to do when you have children with them.
It was shocking to see so many comments online straight after this tragedy with people (mainly women) trying to defend his actions. They were blaming her for withholding access to the children saying that of course that’s why he “snapped”, or that the Family Court is rigged against fathers. It’s unbelievable how people try to justify such abhorrent behaviour.
I remember that too. I couldn't believe that people were defending this man and his actions. He was cruel to his kids when they were together. If Hannah didn't give him sex on demand he would take it out on the children as a punishment to her. She felt she had no choice as the kids would suffer.
That IS sickening. Any good things he did (which I doubt were many) were negated by his killing his wife and children in such a horrific, cowardly way.
He was upset with the amount of time he had with his kids so he sets them on fire, such a brutal and painful death he inflicted on the kids he couldnt part with. 🤬🤬🤬
These people..unalive yourself..but of course they can't bear the thought that their wife could have a life away from him..and see the babies as THEIR possessions..not as people in their own right..this is shocking and disgusting..
This happened right near where I lived! It was absolutely horrifying and to think a father did that to his children and the mother of his children is just awful.
There's just nothing in his eyes. That poor girl and her babies. I remember when it happened. Can't help but cry. There needs to be more protection for victims.
@@marlenestewart7442 Lemme see - why have women done this for centuries? May I suggest you do some reading - because the commonality of it shows you there is something that happens when one comes under such control etc. xxx
Unfortunately a recurring theme is that even when the abused person suspects or believes their abuser may kill them, they often still allow personal contact. We all have to increase our awareness and then especially follow through with a solid plan to stay safe. As you say Dr G, in this case the wife and children were dealing with a man who was very determined to exterminate his family. A very very sad story. Thanks for this insight and reminder, as it may make a difference for somebody’s safety in the future.
I don’t believe this man was “determined” to kill everyone. Most likely he was cornered, he lost everything, and decided ro give an ultimate revenge. MORALE of the story: DO NOT CORNER PEOPLE!!!!!
I saw many people in Australia write disturbing comments about her deserving it and saying she could have left, it's just another case of victims further being abused by the public, insinuating women deserve this treatment because and placing no responsibility on men. It's really disgusting
That's cuz only the women have the say in who they date in men. So take responsibility in who you choose, and watch all his vibes as you get to know him. Most of all, stop brushing off most of the interested men all cuz of what YOU assume he already is without acknowledging who he is first!
@@SinisterScoundrel6562 Dude, you sound like an Incel. Telling women not to pass on the guy who is most interested in her because of what she thinks she knows about him is such a "nice guy" manipulation. 99% of the time women pass on those guys because they don't pass the vibe check. If that vibe is creepy AF, women are going to avoid the guy. They don't want or need to get to know him.
How horrible! His first wife and son were so lucky to get out with their lives. I would have been happy that he didn't provide any child support-- the less contact with that monster, the better.
The Baxter case: a chilling testament to the fact that sometimes, the most dangerous lies are the ones we tell ourselves about the people we think we know...
I live in Brisbane Australia and I watched this case here, first hand. The fact that the media, our society, refuse to call him a Narcissist is beyond me. They use the term "cohesive control", which means nothing, in DV awareness campaigns. Let's start spelling out the truth for once if we want to make a change. Narcissists are dangerous and have no cure. Run. That's it.
It's *coercive* control, not cohesive. Coercion means "to force someone to do a thing, or things, against their will". I agree that Baxter is a narcissist, and I've thought so since the day he murdered his family. However, not every abuser who uses coercion & controlling behaviour is necessarily a narcissist (or else there's a huge number of them in the general population), but it does appear to correlate highly with those who are willing to harm their offspring to get back at their former partners for leaving.
I can't get over the gift cars with no money. He wanted the adulation when giving them. He wasn't gonna be around when the kids found out dad was a douche. That is probably the most pathetic thing I have ever heard!
Only ways to deal with a narcissist: leave, or get them before they get you. Unfortunately some narcs won’t let go, they follow and stalk former partners.
As a Queenslander and an Australian this actually happened 40 minutes from my house.. I remember watching this all unfold on Sunrise on 7 news.. There is police bodycam footage of them being pulled over because the car that they were driving was unregistered… Hannah was sweet and calm during the incident and Rowan acted like a deadset lunatic.. Her mum and dad have set up a Domestic Violence foundation called Small Steps 4 Hannah..
Thanks for an insightful & compassionate analysis of this terrible case, Dr Grande. I was living nearby when this waste of oxygen annihilated his beautiful family, and it shook our community to the core. Hannah was so brave & strong, both before & after the attack; paramedics reported that she refused treatment until she'd shared the details & perpetrator with police, despite horrific injuries. Her parents said the only skin on her body that wasn't burned was the sole of one foot. And what a completely vile & cowardly monster Rohan was, to even imagine attacking his toddlers like that, let alone carry out his evil plan. I hope there is a hell, so he can eternally experience what his wife & kids felt.
Do you understand why he did what he did or you pretending? If someone comes to a police officer and throw a poo in their face and they shot back, is it a murder? Was it provoked? Things in life are much more nuanced.
@@alexeysamokhin9629in his mind he probably took anything she did of her free will as a direct affront to him. Doesn’t mean it was proportionate or appropriate or justified to set his family on fire.
@@esteemedmortal5917 no, it was NOT proportional. But he was cornered. He lost his wife, his business, she applied for AVO, so he won’t see his kids. He asked for 50/50 parenting, and I believe she was laughing her ass about it, because she wanted to have an upper hands in regards of parenting. So the dude was cornered. When people are cornered, they turn into ANIMALS.
@@alexeysamokhin9629 he backed himself into a corner. She was doing the best she could to protect her children. She was afraid and clearly for good reason.
Oh my goodness gracious! That sounds exactly just like my husband and what I have been through. He has said in the past repeatedly " one day, I will burn this house." - oh my! 😢😢😢
If you are in financial trouble, why would you have additional kids? What, are they thinking an additional baby brought in the universe is an all cure?
It is very common to dismiss “red flags” in a relationship. When someone is behaving in a hurtful or inappropriate manner the last thing we think about is mental illness/ personality disorder. One of every three people have some kind of mental disorder, (that’s only the documented cases). The number one MOST IMPORTANT THING is to REALLY get to know someone before letting them get close to you. 💔😢🙏
Wow his mom and dad did a smash up job raising him didn't they. What a despicable nightmare. I appreciate how Dr Grande describes the ways that mental health care can go wrong..
It is always hard for me to see these kinds of cases. I was in a marriage with a covert narcissist. They control every aspect of their victim's life, including social life, family, finances, and even to the mundane things. I knew it wasn't going well for me and that things would end up bad if I didn't do something. I asked that we get counseling to what he refused. I started seeking help for myself, and got an attorney. One day I took my two children and their birth certificates, left him and never looked back. I am blessed to have a family that supported me through those difficult times.
OK, so Rowan was a grade "A" Asshole, we get that. What is much harder to grasp, though, is why nice women, like Hannah Clarke, who was quite attractive and could pick any suitable partner, choose scumbags like Rowan ! Someone who thinks they're the center of attention, never accepts defeat, must always be right, screw people over, why be with a person like that ?
@jasonvaughn4886 She had barely finished being a teenager when she met him. He was already in his 30s at that time and probably knew what it took to con her initially. I'm sure he didn't always act towards her at first like the loser he was or else he would never had attracted her or mostly anyone in this world. There's a reason why some people date others that are much younger with less life experience.
That’s manipulation for you. It’s the frog in the pot of water; the behaviors aren’t too extreme to begin with, so its easier to excuse them. Some people may be kind but have low self esteem. Maybe they even have the fantasy of ‘helping’ someone. It’s a dangerous combo.
Narcissist are an empty vessel. They are usually conceived and raised by a narcissist and a codependent parents. I have seen many of these individuals and have had friends who where in relationships with a narcissist. Although none of them lost their lives, the mental abuse they experienced has altered them forever.
Dr. Grande, I want you to know how much I appreciate your concise videos highlighting various crimes and events of interest. As a true crime maven, I love your content. You are my encyclopedia crimetania for learning!
@@chungusamongus69no one is perfect but pretty sure she didn't go out that day asking to be/expecting to be incinerated along with her 3 innocent children.
He sounds a lot like my ex husband who did 30 yrs of a life sentence for what he did to me in front of my kids . He was diagnosed with narcissism while in prison. I feel horrible for this young lady and her kids. Most abused women are killed when they leave, that’s how it was for me but at least I and my kids survived
One interesting aspect of narcissism and failure is their need to self regulate/validate by harming (emotional or physical) others. The irony is the narcissist himself self harms, through failure and deceit. Ladies and Gents - watch for self-harming behavior in others as it is not always physical.
The hard part is with these people who just have unrelenting hatred is they never stop. You can get a restraining order, which should be done. They will find that a challenge to violate. They don't think laws apply to them, and it makes them angry you used the law. The more victims they have; the craftier they are at side stepping protect measures. The first wife just probably let him fade away. He had a new woman to torture.
Omg this is absolutely one of the most horrendous things I have ever heard of in my entire life. I work in counseling and many of my clients are domestic violence survivors-I am also a survivor. I am well versed in narcissism and so we need to make this a more well-known disorder because it is becoming increasingly common. Bless these sweet, young children’s lives and this poor woman. ❤ thank god their pain is over.
He only killed himself after he got burnt. If he was not burnt he wouldn't have killed himself. Narcissistic personalities love themselves and never hurt themselves.
I think the problem is the whole mindset fixated on success and people can't deal with what they think failures. This is life, anything can happen, and if you're willing to take risks like starting your own business then you have to consider all he risks, make plans A,B C,D.... in case you fail. You have to, backseat you have a family and big one, and you need to be able to take care of yourself at least as an adult and not leaning on somebody. It's so strange that people like this choose between solving the problems and killing innocent kids, wife. Why they even consider it as an option at all? So many people losing their families, unbelievable
I did not know he was New Zealand born! Wow!horrible that a fellow countrymen went to Australia and did that to this lovely woman and their children! What an immature and pathetic human being! This story haunted me when I heard about this, one of the worst cases of domestic violence and subsequent murders I have ever heard of. Imagine being those poor children and Hannah during that whole event that morning! My god … horrible. ❤
Doc once long ago, way before you had a million viewers, you used to ask for suggestions. I persisted in every video asking you to cover Ian Curtis. You used to heart my comments. I always thought one day you would cover him for me. I constantly put it in the comments. I don't know what I did or didn't do to convince you to just make a video covering Ian Curtis of Joy Division. I was and still am very curious to hear your insights into why he took his own life. Sadly I am now after well over a year of watching you and liking every single video you have ever made, giving up. It breaks my heart sir. I respect you so much and wish you would for my loyalty indulge me this one favor. Even knowing eventually you will even if it's years from now would be enough. Is it because I haven't joined patron? Which when I am not dirt poor I still plan on doing just to see the videos I am unable to see not being a member. But this is my last plea to you my psychologist master of puns and author of alliteration, one last time, will you please cover Ian Curtis? Thank you for all you do. This is the last time I will bring it up.
I 100% agree! Joy division is definitely in my top 5 favorite bands of all time, even though they are decades before my time. The pure talent was undeniable as well as the pure pain written into their music. I was a rather morbid teenager and picked atmosphere as the song I want played at my funeral, still is. Please cover Ian Curtis, it would mean so much to at least two people 😢
If you look at it from his side, I'm sure no slight was intended. Besides this channel, l assume he has other work commitments and even if not, how would he find the time to "heart" every one of so many comments? No need to take it personally! ETA: l just googled them, and though l would not be it all interested, other channels have covered the subject, and may be of interest to you.
@@Bearwithme560 I don't think anyone perceives it that way and of course you wouldn't be interested if you are not invested in Joy divisions career and music. And of course other content creators have covered Ian Curtis, they were one of the most influential bands ever. They still are the cure's biggest musical influence. That being said we want Dr. Grande's take on it, a familiar. Not just some random TH-camr I've never watched.
Moorrrrrning Dr Grande 🎉 hooray to wake up to your video AND finding out the Marauding Multiple Mushroom Murderer has finally been charged ! Oh happy day ❤
I heard an account of the attack. Apparently Hannah had the chance to get out earlier from the vehicle and survive but she stayed for her 3 children as they were strapped into their seats and she didn't have time to take all of them with her. She may have had the chance to save one but instead she chose to die with all her children. Truly heartbreaking what this insane person did to his own family. He claimed he should have had custody of his children when no person who is willing to burn children alive should be allowed anywhere near them.
Seeing what’s happened to Harry Markle is the perfect case of a narcissistic person coming along like a spider and ruining his whole life. This story is devastating.
Harry is not ruined. He has a wife whom he loves, his two children and he is lives in a big beautiful mansion in California with none of the suffocating restrictions of living in the royal family.
@@rosieposie9564he's got no friends, he has been isolated from his entire family and everything that he has ever known, didn't know he was "trapped" until Meghan told him he was, " what Meghan wants, Meghan gets".... Sounds like Harry is in the clutches of a narcissistic abuser to me.
Agree! Narcissists ruin families. and friendships. Just like Harry and Meghan have cut off both sides of their families. Rowan would not allow Hannah to speak to her brother. Very controlling. Thankfully Hannah was speaking to her brother again before she passed (after she left Rowan).
Omg… I thought I KNEW this name!! It was a HUGE, heartbreaking story here in Oz!! It makes me tear up thinking about it…. Thanks for helping expose the DANGER some people are!! God bless her poor family!! 🙏🙏🙏 Love from Oz!! 💕🇦🇺💕🇦🇺
This is so heartbreaking. 😢 I cannot even imagine the last moments of Hannah and her children. I hope her parents/their grandparents are finding a way to heal. I am curious about how Rowan escaped treatment for his behaviors in general... such as a kid, did his parents not seek help for him as this did not sound like a newer development?
Horrifying! It also makes me realise how lucky my children and I are. For the picture Dr Grande paints of Rowan is an EXACT portrait of my ex-husband. Fortunately, he must have been 1° slower or less violent than Rowan, as I only suffered some broken bones. And when I realised I had no support (my family doctor’s only comment when I limped into his office was that D---- was “not being a gentleman”), I fled with my children to my parents who lived on a tiny island 5.000 miles away, with very strict entry laws. There’s no way he could have brought gasoline in with him; and, having friends in Immigration as well as all over the island, word would have reached me the moment he landed. Not only that, the tenant in my parents’ suite was a young policeman who kept his patrol car parked in the driveway! But for the lucky alignment of the stars, my children and I could have ended up in a literal hell like Hannah and her three little children did. Not only is my sympathy for them boundless, my stomach is churning and my hair is standing on end; this despite the fact that my great escape was 45 years ago.
what a monster, please be careful, stay safe everyone. there is hope for people in such situations, document everything as evidence to prove to authorities that you are in grave danger, MOVE away and dont let ppl know or explain to your trusted relatives why you cant tell them.
I never heard of this one. Was not at all expecting the level it went to. Not that I wasn’t expecting something awful - I guess it was how fast it went from gas can to all five dead. Burning like that is also top of the list for me of most dreaded ways to leave this life. Just…wow.
Why do so many people who don't love their kids still use them as weapons or focus on tormenting them? And why did that counselor say Rowan was doing well without talking to others? Surely this counselor never spoke to Rowan's poor victims.
Sounds like she was the side piece. Shouldn't have been surprised it didn't work out, especially when he abandoned his 1st child. I feel sorry 4 his kids, not the new wife.
That’s wild. He was evil and the devil himself. Any man that can just leave his wife and child is not normal.. and there he was participating in ruining his marriage thinking she was the prize.. I feel sorry for the kids
Dear ladies, Hindsight is 20/20. Any hint of these signs of control.... Run! End it the first moment. Read about Narcissistic love bombing... These charismatic, charming shape shifters are so dangerous. I pray for the family of these poor people 😢
The issue is that the Police doesn't pay attention to dv reports, either. I live in Spain and I reported a psychopath who has been herrassing me for the past 7 years, and they still did nothing to him.
For anyone who is in a domestic abuse situation, please know that YOU ARE YOUR OWN SAVIOR. It’s not a piece of paper. It’s not the police. It’s not the government. ITS YOU. You have to protect yourself. If you are not able to leave, learn how to fight or use a weapon. Do something to help persevere your life, because no one is going to care about you, LIKE YOU WILL.
I think the lesson in this and other similar situations is that there is NO competent mental healthcare professional qualified to address any of the DSM problems out there. NONE.
How sad and terrible it is... A very sad ending about what a danger a person who loses his human characteristics and emotions can be. So sorry for the innocent wife and children...
She could agree on 50/50 parenting and everyone would survive. Naah, she wanted to ALWAYS get an upper hand! The dude wasn’t the nicest one but he was NEVER charged for any wrongdoing!
@@alexeysamokhin9629@alexeysamokhin9629 your disgusting defense of a murderer who set his own three children on fire, along with burning his estranged wife to death make me question what personality disorders and twisted traits you possess. To defend a baby killer is grotesque and says a lot about you.
Hannah was absolutely, devastatingly beautiful 💔💔💔 A truly lovely woman and anyone can see it’s her personality shining through PS: I wrote the above BEFORE listening to the details of this case. This is the worst case I’ve heard on Dr Grande. Good Lord. 😞
Custody of his children was never about loving them, it was only about power & control.
Why then she didn’t agree on 50/50? He was never charged with any wrongdoings?
@@alexeysamokhin9629@alexeysamokhin9629 your disgusting defense of a murderer who set his own three children on fire, along with burning his estranged wife to death make me question what personality disorders and twisted traits you possess. To defend a baby killer is grotesque and says a lot about you.
That’s a bingo
@@alexeysamokhin9629Are you serious? You think he should have had 50/50 custody after watching this video detailing his behaviour?
@@SpringVioletta when provoked, some people turn into animals. Don’t provoke people, why on earth it’s so difficult to understand?
The first wife dodged a bullet. Terrible the children got caught in this disastrous relationship.
That's what I thought.
Yes, although his being held responsible for child support could have unleashed his lethality on them, too. Any time one has children with a dangerous person, they have a permanent hostage and continual provocation as courts issue demands, which they invariably resent. I think the Billy Goat Gruff strategy (divert the villain with a choicer morsel so one can escape) the most practical strategy with abusers. When they are having their egos massaged by the new conquest and have devalued the old, there's the opportunity to flee.
Yes, thanks to Hannah
Children always pay the Bill for the sexual fun of "adults"... Breeding should be as rigorous as adopting, with screening for mental health and competency tests.
@@thewallkingdread83that would and has been abused spectacularly in the past. I get that creating a kid doesn’t automatically make you fit to raise them but that approach would just be ushering eugenics back into the mainstream
He had a history of violence even at a young age in NZ. His cousin in NZ said they avoided him because of extreme violence even in early teens
This is why parents need to be held accountable for their kid's shitty behaviour
True? I didn’t know he was from NZ till this video, the case haunted me. Sounds like a right fruit loop! Imagine being able to do that to your own children, he certainly lost the plot
@@melissam597 once he’s grown it’s on him
Glad you actually mentioned that he was a Kiwi not Aussie, most likely not even a citizen.
@EmilDamil-wt1yfWe've always let Kiwi grubs in fsr and they can stay here for life without having to be naturalised or obtain citizenship, totally unfair to alk the other legit immigrants in my opinion who actually want to help our country prosper and appreciate the opportunities. Most kiwis end up costing the Aussie taxpayer far more than they ever contribute into the economy that's for sure, there was the 501 deportation legislation that was bought in by our conservative government in 2014 but they were unfortunately watered down and or loosened by our current and useless labour (left wing socialist PM and cabinet.
I think this is why it's so hard for victims to be believed or get help. The abuser can fool experts.
But also because women simply are not believed
Because women are sometimes manipulative too.
It is difficult to judge who is who.
I agree and I'm sure she was gaslighted by the horrible man..but why keep having babies?..I'm not victim blaming..I just feel so frustrated by women giving these men a chance
@@Swansong321 The power of their charm and pull is something else, and you always hope they'll turn back into the real them, not realising this is the real them and the one at the beginning wasn't.
Yes. Abusers who don't even fool experts, in family court, they are not allowed to suggest (here in NZ) that they have personality disorders that can make them dangerous. I don't get it. A friend's ex, who is highly manipulative and abusive still has access to their children, and continues to send threatening emails to try and control her. And he is the type to one day, b*rn her house down. But she has no protection after a female judge removed a protection order a different judge gave her.
I’m so glad we are educating people on narcissism. People with the disorder can be dangerously abusive towards others
Yea, real narcissism. Not the narcissism diagnosed by every other person only each time they feel offended. This is the real deal and it is sad that term narcissism has been diluted by untrained internet doctors.
I agree. I think the people who call "narcissism" on any conversation they're losing is what happens when they're not educated on the narcissism spectrum.
Agreed, need to expose these politicians as well, left, right, & center.
Problem is very few are pointing out the societal conditions that make narcissistic behavior more common or even rewarded. Corporate capitalism thrives off sociopaths and narcissists
I believe it’s not a “disorder”, it’s simply EVIL.
I live around the corner from the Clarke's home. I will never forget that morning and the noise coming from amount of police, helicopters, ambulance and firefighters. The loss of Hannah and her children devastated our community and helped with changing our laws to recognise coercive control. 3 years later and our community is still recovering. May Hannah and her children rest in peace.
There are some really evil people out there! Imagine burning your own children to death. That wasn’t a man that was a demon!
Just broken brain producing no stress hormone in view of other living beings ‘ suffering and death
I agree :( 😢😢😢😢
@@AquaFyre stop dragging demons into this, humans conveniently blame gods who «weren’t proper carers of the incompetent little poopoo who has no brainy brainy », devil who «pulled the incompetent little poopoo by his balls, and poor poopoo didn’t even understand what happened », mommie or wifey who « poured alcohol into the incompetent little poopoo so unaware of his was PROVOKED TO DO by stupid incompetent carers », Trump, Biden, king Arthur, local baker, etc. One piece of s made a conscious decision and took a conscious action and he and all the sleazy cunning « little poopoos who conveniently blame 3rd Party » need to own what they consciously done based on their deliberate well thought choices. Leave demons out of it
Despicable
@@AquaFyreIf it brings you comfort to blame Satan, then carry on.
There were very early warning signs. He abused his first wife & willingly left her & his child for his new love. Also he stopped paying child support for his first child. That should have given an indication of his character.
Absolutely
True,,,, she thought she was special,, kept having kids
Standard bogan behaviour.
That is why one always should be very wary of someone love bombing you while telling you their sob story. He probably convinced her that his ex wife was the devil incarnate. Always suspect someone who paints their ex completely black.
She was smitten with him I read. Don't underestimate what a woman will filter out.
Dr G has toned the story down. Rowan was hiding in the bushes at her parents’ house when he jumped into the car. Hannah was so badly burned that only the sole of one foot was unaffected by the attack. This was an extremely shocking event. In Australia, one woman a week is murdered by a current or former partner and 15 women are hospitalised each day due to domestic violence.
To be fair it also works the other way ...around a third of domestic violence cases are because of a female aggressor, females also murder other humans
@@oftin_wong no one said that men are never victims of domestic violence, but yall have to acknowledge the majority of domestic violence cases are against women. Men simply needs to acknowledge that their physical strength and the societal pressure that were imposed upon them makes them prone to violence. It's disgusting how lots of men are so self centered that even in a video about a male perpetrator you guys just have to take the spotlight when women acknowledges all over that men are victims in some cases too. It's just so annoying that you can't simply support women on this struggle, instead you have to say something that's already a no brainer.
@@giyavictoria3747 the majority of domestic violence cases are two humans having a go at each other until something snaps ...both are usually equally culpable
I'm just talking statistics but you've sought to take it personally and make it personal by clearly choosing a side and demonizing the other side ...that's unsurprisingly something that females tend to partake in
@@oftin_wongyou are delusional.
@@oftin_wongyeah but your first comment didn’t have anything to do with the original comment, you just had to put your mgtow two cents in. Low empathy, always the victim, who does that sound like. An abuser.
I live in the suburb next to Camp Hill where this happened. Everyone was horrified by what happened to Hannah and her children. It was reported when neighbours tried to assist at the scene he yelled at them not to help 😢 Hannah's parents have channelled the grief of losing their daughter and grandchildren into raising awareness of DV and through their advocacy, coercive control is now legislated as a form of domestic volience in Queensland.
Ahhh, yes. The same coercive control the QLD used on people during covid. But they just did it because they care about us, right?
Thank you for this information on legislation. It hurts that it takes after the fact for these laws to become law. 😢
Oh, my goodness. What wonderful news about the legislation. Her parents are obviously wonderful people. I'm so sorry for them. Thank you. x
I'm a few suburbs away from Camp Hill
She tried to help rescue them herself but she was on fire , she was heard screaming their names , you consider what she was going through where she is on fire and can't get her kids out it is hell just thinking it , the first person on the scene must suffer this scene nightly.
Horrific deaths , so sad 😪😪
When he refused to pay child support for his first son, I wish she’d taken that as the unforgivable red flag it was.
🎯🎯🎯. Any man who does not take care of his children is a huge red flag. Selfish, lack empathy and won't take responsibility for anything.
So glad someone said this. I totally agree. I guess she thought he would be "different".
Also, the fact that he was using large amounts of money from investors and her parents to pay for their gym business. THAT was another red flag. He never seem to have or want to use his own money.
I can't imagine doing that. Ive wanted nothing more than to have a mother to children I can raise and. support better than the fuck all my ;parents gave me.
These types of crimes are unnaturally evil.
They don't just happen.
maybe. if the child was well taken care of without support it isn't so heinous. Child support is based on need and income.@@allenbanks9034
The phrase "immature Narcissist" is one of the world's most elegant redundancies.
True
And most misused
This guy sounds like my dad. We're alive because my mom just gave him his way, no matter the cost to the rest of us and treats him like the box he believes himself to be. The consequence? I'm bipolar with PTSD, and attachment disorder, eating disorders and nightmares; my brother copes by using opiates and suffering a pile of mental health disorders himself. These guys should be taken out and publicly shamed, even if it's just so their victims can laugh.
We are trying to castrate pathetic males but "transgenderisim" no longer requires castration so they just go around pretending to be a victim 🤡
Sorry for your pain. Horrible.
I’m so sorry! I grew up in DV and I know the results, also. My brother and sister medicated themselves thru the pain with drugs. Of the cycle, I was the one who escaped that but the distrust I had of men lingered a very long time.
That is why DV is so dangerous and I tell my daughter if I find out her husband is being abusive to her or those girls or in front of them, I’m filing for custody!
I’m not going to allow my granddaughters to grow up
in the hell I and my siblings did because my mother wanted to stay with an abuser! YES, she had a way out with us: her sister, our aunt, begged her to bring us to live with her, she refused. It took me many years to forgive her and I mean many!
Thank you for sharing. So horrible
Publicly shamed? I think you spelled executed wrong lok
This is awful, so much evil in this world. His ex wife and child escaped this fate. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
Former victim of attempted strangulation and assault here. I fled my home 7 years ago. “Impossible situation “ is right. There is NO HELP for domestic violence victims/ survivors. Restraining orders are a joke. Attempted strangulation will get a night in jail, a small fine…and he’s out. This story only confirms what I already know.
I hope you are safe now! I’ve been there too.
Yup. I went to the police for help after being attacked by a man…and they arrested ME for an outstanding warrant from over ten years ago for literally having a joint in my car…mind you, weed has been legal in my state for like five years now lol. I was blown away. I paid my little bond, and I asked them after, what’s going on with my police report? They were like, oh this is the night shift now, the cops from earlier are gone now so we don’t know……. About a month later I found out that same guy went on to Rape a girl. I can’t even explain to you the rage I still feel for the complete lack of care they showed me.
Also, I’m glad you’re safe now and I’m so grateful you got out of that situation before it was too late. Hugs
@@laralexa454 I’m safe now! No longer dating, going on 7 years. I no longer feel safe with dating. I am healing and just opened my online bakery. I am working to put aside some profits for domestic violence victims locally. Thank you for your care 💕
@@AjHx90x I feel you on the rage I feel about the complete indifference about what we have endured. It’s sickening. Karma will bite these men in the ass when their time comes. Be safe 💕
I can't understand why people who are having trouble paying their bills keep having kids.
Pure narcissism and selfishness. When you have no money but still producing children, deliberately bring children into the world to suffer living in a poor house.
Even billionaires don't have more than two or 3 kids.
The bullying mandate to have sex every day - crazy & surely made more chances for pregnancy!
It’s free in Australia.
Yeah, it’s pretty astounding…
That was the least of Hannah's problems. Seriously, children are the gift in the midst of all the pain she was facing!
I had a brief marriage to a man who showed a few red flags before the wedding but I know now that normalized them. Afterward he started doing all the things Dr. Grande cited--spying, controlling mail, food, sex, screening phone calls, control of my separate money, family visits became a tug-of-war, etc. Shaming me if I didn't lose weight--(I was 130# at 5'6"). We went to counseling after 2 months of marriage. The counselor diagnosed him as 'clinically gradiose--this was the late 90s'. Though we stayed in counseling, I left him after 8 months. Within a month he was dating the counselor!
How grossly unprofessional for a counsellor to date his clients! 🤢🤢🤢🤮
He wanted to impress the counselor so much against you that she felt for it. They are expert liars.
Omg! That's over the top!
@@Bernardt_Art most likely the male counsellor wanted to play good old “white knight” role and “save dame in distress”.
@@alexeysamokhin9629 Can you identify and follow pronouns while reading a comment? Maybe practice a little before commenting and looking foolish.
Psychology should be a mandatory class in high school. Perhaps we could teach our kids to recognize these psychos early enough to avoid such tragedies. Her parents must be distraught. I can’t imagine their pain and sorrow.
Definitely! Sure wish I had known! My HS BF was a narcissist to start it off! It got ugly fast!
@@Juke582it’s really a job to teach your kids all of those thing not the school. And you can’t just teach the information so it will help them “watch out for people like them”. You teach them psychology to teach them how to have healthy mental health and healthy relationships
The best psychopaths can still fool you until it’s too late. 😢
I’ve been saying exactly that for decades, only I feel it should start from primary school, albeit age appropriately, becoming more advanced each year. When children aren’t taught it at home, the next place is at school and who knows, it may even have an impact of the parents.
That won't make a difference. Some women would still make excuses for psychos and/or try to change them until it's too late.
Reminds me of a great book: "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men," by Lundy Bancroft. It explains abusive behavior so well. Unfortunately abusers are often the last people to understand that they are in fact abusive and they are adept at manipulating others, including mental health counselors. Explains my ex very well.
If they’re capable or willing to understand their behavior at all.
Apparently the dude was real alpha, and that was that attracted her. I don’t believe he was a crazy monster. Most likely he discovered that she was cheating, had outbursts, she was embarrassed and AS ALWAYS HAPPENS use their children against him. He was pissed off and wiped out everyone.
@@alexeysamokhin9629 you’re making a lot of assumptions to defend someone who set their children on fire.
@@esteemedmortal5917 there is ALWAYS a reason for every outrageous behaviour. People don’t to crazy things unprovoked.
He was aging, they had a gym, they had a stream of young fit men going to their gym. He lost his status is an alpha in her eyes. She cheated. He was PISSED OFF. Then she decided to revenge him for an embarrassment and AS ALWAYS HAPPENED, use their children as weapons against him.
Absolutely obvious.
Why people don’t see a full story here?
Life is more complicated that black and white.
That book was the beginning of my awakening to what I was actually entangled in! I will forever be grateful to the woman (a complete stranger) who recommended I read it. It led me out of denial and into knowledge of NPD, and finally to safety. Glad you mentioned it.
A beautiful woman living and helping people through the pcyc police citizen youth club.
A woman would think any man she met there would be a fine person.
My daughter says, "when spidy tingles, listen".
My advice. Never uncover a narcissist. Run and hide. No contact. Hard to do when you have children with them.
Married to a psychopath
Right.
🙄
It was shocking to see so many comments online straight after this tragedy with people (mainly women) trying to defend his actions. They were blaming her for withholding access to the children saying that of course that’s why he “snapped”, or that the Family Court is rigged against fathers. It’s unbelievable how people try to justify such abhorrent behaviour.
I remember that too. I couldn't believe that people were defending this man and his actions. He was cruel to his kids when they were together. If Hannah didn't give him sex on demand he would take it out on the children as a punishment to her. She felt she had no choice as the kids would suffer.
I recall when it happened, the media was full of stories about what a great guy he was. It was sickening.
That IS sickening. Any good things he did (which I doubt were many) were negated by his killing his wife and children in such a horrific, cowardly way.
narcissists like to show off how great they are. Every thing they do is to feed their ego. They need all the attention all the time!
His first wife must have been so relieved that he chose to separate from her, but also horrified knowing someone else was going to be trapped with him
He was upset with the amount of time he had with his kids so he sets them on fire, such a brutal and painful death he inflicted on the kids he couldnt part with. 🤬🤬🤬
Yes.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
No. He killed everyone else because he was proved he was not a man.
These people..unalive yourself..but of course they can't bear the thought that their wife could have a life away from him..and see the babies as THEIR possessions..not as people in their own right..this is shocking and disgusting..
Hannah should have known the man was a shit bag when he refused to pay child support for his first kid.
How do u describe women who get abortions?
So dating married people is no longer a red flag?
@@jimmyjay689an organic jezebel leisure murder factory
@@MegTelevisedikr!!!!
WTF does that have to do with anything???
This happened right near where I lived! It was absolutely horrifying and to think a father did that to his children and the mother of his children is just awful.
There's just nothing in his eyes. That poor girl and her babies. I remember when it happened. Can't help but cry. There needs to be more protection for victims.
She had such a terrible marriage. Yet she continued to have children with him. This is all so common. Why do women, mothers, do this?
@@marlenestewart7442She sounds just as bad as he was. Right up until the murder part at least
@@marlenestewart7442 Lemme see - why have women done this for centuries? May I suggest you do some reading - because the commonality of it shows you there is something that happens when one comes under such control etc. xxx
@@Saakk129 Trolling. Yeah, go get a day job - cos you're really bad at this. 🥳
@@marlenestewart7442 I just realised I sounded rude. I'm sorry. It was not meant rudely. xxxx
How sad and horrifying! Those poor children and Hannah!
"Rowan was the pain that destroyed his gain". I love that line.
Unfortunately a recurring theme is that even when the abused person suspects or believes their abuser may kill them, they often still allow personal contact. We all have to increase our awareness and then especially follow through with a solid plan to stay safe. As you say Dr G, in this case the wife and children were dealing with a man who was very determined to exterminate his family. A very very sad story. Thanks for this insight and reminder, as it may make a difference for somebody’s safety in the future.
I don’t believe this man was “determined” to kill everyone. Most likely he was cornered, he lost everything, and decided ro give an ultimate revenge.
MORALE of the story: DO NOT CORNER PEOPLE!!!!!
@@alexeysamokhin9629😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Justified!👹👹
I saw many people in Australia write disturbing comments about her deserving it and saying she could have left, it's just another case of victims further being abused by the public, insinuating women deserve this treatment because and placing no responsibility on men. It's really disgusting
That's cuz only the women have the say in who they date in men. So take responsibility in who you choose, and watch all his vibes as you get to know him. Most of all, stop brushing off most of the interested men all cuz of what YOU assume he already is without acknowledging who he is first!
@@SinisterScoundrel6562Who was he first?
@@SinisterScoundrel6562No thats because you enjoy victim blaming women
@@SinisterScoundrel6562 Dude, you sound like an Incel. Telling women not to pass on the guy who is most interested in her because of what she thinks she knows about him is such a "nice guy" manipulation. 99% of the time women pass on those guys because they don't pass the vibe check. If that vibe is creepy AF, women are going to avoid the guy. They don't want or need to get to know him.
How horrible! His first wife and son were so lucky to get out with their lives. I would have been happy that he didn't provide any child support-- the less contact with that monster, the better.
The Baxter case: a chilling testament to the fact that sometimes, the most dangerous lies are the ones we tell ourselves about the people we think we know...
🎯🎯🎯 Indeed
Well said. I have done the same. 😢
@@susanneashton1340 ❤️
Couldn't have said it better
No it’s lies we tell ourselves about our own issues like codependency
I live in Brisbane Australia and I watched this case here, first hand. The fact that the media, our society, refuse to call him a Narcissist is beyond me. They use the term "cohesive control", which means nothing, in DV awareness campaigns. Let's start spelling out the truth for once if we want to make a change. Narcissists are dangerous and have no cure. Run. That's it.
It's *coercive* control, not cohesive. Coercion means "to force someone to do a thing, or things, against their will". I agree that Baxter is a narcissist, and I've thought so since the day he murdered his family. However, not every abuser who uses coercion & controlling behaviour is necessarily a narcissist (or else there's a huge number of them in the general population), but it does appear to correlate highly with those who are willing to harm their offspring to get back at their former partners for leaving.
I can't get over the gift cars with no money. He wanted the adulation when giving them. He wasn't gonna be around when the kids found out dad was a douche. That is probably the most pathetic thing I have ever heard!
Only ways to deal with a narcissist: leave, or get them before they get you. Unfortunately some narcs won’t let go, they follow and stalk former partners.
As a Queenslander and an Australian this actually happened 40 minutes from my house.. I remember watching this all unfold on Sunrise on 7 news.. There is police bodycam footage of them being pulled over because the car that they were driving was unregistered… Hannah was sweet and calm during the incident and Rowan acted like a deadset lunatic..
Her mum and dad have set up a Domestic Violence foundation called Small Steps 4 Hannah..
Thanks for an insightful & compassionate analysis of this terrible case, Dr Grande. I was living nearby when this waste of oxygen annihilated his beautiful family, and it shook our community to the core.
Hannah was so brave & strong, both before & after the attack; paramedics reported that she refused treatment until she'd shared the details & perpetrator with police, despite horrific injuries. Her parents said the only skin on her body that wasn't burned was the sole of one foot.
And what a completely vile & cowardly monster Rohan was, to even imagine attacking his toddlers like that, let alone carry out his evil plan. I hope there is a hell, so he can eternally experience what his wife & kids felt.
I don’t believe in hell but people like this make a compelling argument for it
Do you understand why he did what he did or you pretending?
If someone comes to a police officer and throw a poo in their face and they shot back, is it a murder? Was it provoked?
Things in life are much more nuanced.
@@alexeysamokhin9629in his mind he probably took anything she did of her free will as a direct affront to him. Doesn’t mean it was proportionate or appropriate or justified to set his family on fire.
@@esteemedmortal5917 no, it was NOT proportional. But he was cornered. He lost his wife, his business, she applied for AVO, so he won’t see his kids. He asked for 50/50 parenting, and I believe she was laughing her ass about it, because she wanted to have an upper hands in regards of parenting.
So the dude was cornered. When people are cornered, they turn into ANIMALS.
@@alexeysamokhin9629 he backed himself into a corner. She was doing the best she could to protect her children. She was afraid and clearly for good reason.
Oh my goodness gracious! That sounds exactly just like my husband and what I have been through. He has said in the past repeatedly " one day, I will burn this house." - oh my! 😢😢😢
If you are in financial trouble, why would you have additional kids? What, are they thinking an additional baby brought in the universe is an all cure?
"If you are (...) have additional kids?"
Presumably to make money.
I have a deep appreciate for how Dr. Grande announces absurd things like No Pain No Gain and TikTok
I'm from Brisbane originally and still live on the North Coast. How did I not hear about this terrible case? Perhaps it wasn't in the media?
It is very common to dismiss “red flags” in a relationship. When someone is behaving in a hurtful or inappropriate manner the last thing we think about is mental illness/ personality disorder. One of every three people have some kind of mental disorder, (that’s only the documented cases). The number one MOST IMPORTANT THING is to REALLY get to know someone before letting them get close to you. 💔😢🙏
Wow his mom and dad did a smash up job raising him didn't they. What a despicable nightmare. I appreciate how Dr Grande describes the ways that mental health care can go wrong..
Not necessarily anything the parents did or didn't do.
@@christinehutchins123No, but probably.
That’s quite judgmental of you. Your parents did a great job 👏
Gifting someone a gift card with nothing on it is the most George Costanza thing ever. Very Human Fund of him lol
Totally Costanza! 😂😂
It is always hard for me to see these kinds of cases. I was in a marriage with a covert narcissist. They control every aspect of their victim's life, including social life, family, finances, and even to the mundane things.
I knew it wasn't going well for me and that things would end up bad if I didn't do something. I asked that we get counseling to what he refused. I started seeking help for myself, and got an attorney.
One day I took my two children and their birth certificates, left him and never looked back.
I am blessed to have a family that supported me through those difficult times.
It’s truly frightening just how many of these types of people, cross your path, daily! You may be sitting next to one right now…….
OK, so Rowan was a grade "A" Asshole, we get that. What is much harder to grasp, though, is why nice women, like Hannah Clarke, who was quite attractive and could pick any suitable partner, choose scumbags like Rowan ! Someone who thinks they're the center of attention, never accepts defeat, must always be right, screw people over, why be with
a person like that ?
Rowan embodied what Hannah wanted to be. She admired the "bad boy" type
@jasonvaughn4886 She had barely finished being a teenager when she met him. He was already in his 30s at that time and probably knew what it took to con her initially. I'm sure he didn't always act towards her at first like the loser he was or else he would never had attracted her or mostly anyone in this world. There's a reason why some people date others that are much younger with less life experience.
She must have fallen for the love-bombing.
That’s manipulation for you. It’s the frog in the pot of water; the behaviors aren’t too extreme to begin with, so its easier to excuse them.
Some people may be kind but have low self esteem. Maybe they even have the fantasy of ‘helping’ someone. It’s a dangerous combo.
@@esteemedmortal5917 You are right! Some people have a 'hero complex', wherein they want to be the one to 'rescue' someone of their 'evil'.
Narcissist are an empty vessel. They are usually conceived and raised by a narcissist and a codependent parents. I have seen many of these individuals and have had friends who where in relationships with a narcissist. Although none of them lost their lives, the mental abuse they experienced has altered them forever.
I know the ex-wife is happy that he was taken from her. WOW! What a disgusting POS!!!
Dr. Grande, I want you to know how much I appreciate your concise videos highlighting various crimes and events of interest. As a true crime maven, I love your content. You are my encyclopedia crimetania for learning!
Some of the comments on here show there's plenty of sickos in the world. Blaming the victim?? Jeezuz
Just because shes a victim doesn't mean shes blameless
@@chungusamongus69no one is perfect but pretty sure she didn't go out that day asking to be/expecting to be incinerated along with her 3 innocent children.
He’s not a regular narcissist, he’s a malignant narcissist. These ppl r extremely dangerous
He sounds a lot like my ex husband who did 30 yrs of a life sentence for what he did to me in front of my kids . He was diagnosed with narcissism while in prison. I feel horrible for this young lady and her kids. Most abused women are killed when they leave, that’s how it was for me but at least I and my kids survived
No, fortunately not most abused women get killed, not even if the abuser has NPD.
One interesting aspect of narcissism and failure is their need to self regulate/validate by harming (emotional or physical) others. The irony is the narcissist himself self harms, through failure and deceit.
Ladies and Gents - watch for self-harming behavior in others as it is not always physical.
The hard part is with these people who just have unrelenting hatred is they never stop. You can get a restraining order, which should be done. They will find that a challenge to violate. They don't think laws apply to them, and it makes them angry you used the law. The more victims they have; the craftier they are at side stepping protect measures. The first wife just probably let him fade away. He had a new woman to torture.
Knowing him being the first wife, I'd not even go after him for child support. No contact the better. I'll raised my kid alone with no help from him.
Rowan sounds emotionally stunted, like one of those frogs that never outgrew their tadpole tail.
Omg this is absolutely one of the most horrendous things I have ever heard of in my entire life. I work in counseling and many of my clients are domestic violence survivors-I am also a survivor. I am well versed in narcissism and so we need to make this a more well-known disorder because it is becoming increasingly common.
Bless these sweet, young children’s lives and this poor woman. ❤ thank god their pain is over.
As an Australian I remember this. Very very sad
RIP Hannah & your beautiful children. My condolences to Hannah & children’s family & friends 🙏♥️🙏.
There are soo many people out there just like him,but we dont realize it,untill tragic events happen😢
He only killed himself after he got burnt. If he was not burnt he wouldn't have killed himself. Narcissistic personalities love themselves and never hurt themselves.
This goes well beyond narcissism.... how about psychopathy. Garden variety narcissists don't slaughter their entire family
Even your description doesn’t go far enough. It was a DEMON in human form.
I think the problem is the whole mindset fixated on success and people can't deal with what they think failures. This is life, anything can happen, and if you're willing to take risks like starting your own business then you have to consider all he risks, make plans A,B C,D.... in case you fail. You have to, backseat you have a family and big one, and you need to be able to take care of yourself at least as an adult and not leaning on somebody. It's so strange that people like this choose between solving the problems and killing innocent kids, wife. Why they even consider it as an option at all? So many people losing their families, unbelievable
I did not know he was New Zealand born! Wow!horrible that a fellow countrymen went to Australia and did that to this lovely woman and their children! What an immature and pathetic human being! This story haunted me when I heard about this, one of the worst cases of domestic violence and subsequent murders I have ever heard of. Imagine being those poor children and Hannah during that whole event that morning! My god … horrible. ❤
It never works out well when people have affairs
Doc once long ago, way before you had a million viewers, you used to ask for suggestions. I persisted in every video asking you to cover Ian Curtis. You used to heart my comments. I always thought one day you would cover him for me. I constantly put it in the comments. I don't know what I did or didn't do to convince you to just make a video covering Ian Curtis of Joy Division. I was and still am very curious to hear your insights into why he took his own life. Sadly I am now after well over a year of watching you and liking every single video you have ever made, giving up. It breaks my heart sir. I respect you so much and wish you would for my loyalty indulge me this one favor. Even knowing eventually you will even if it's years from now would be enough. Is it because I haven't joined patron? Which when I am not dirt poor I still plan on doing just to see the videos I am unable to see not being a member. But this is my last plea to you my psychologist master of puns and author of alliteration, one last time, will you please cover Ian Curtis? Thank you for all you do. This is the last time I will bring it up.
I 100% agree! Joy division is definitely in my top 5 favorite bands of all time, even though they are decades before my time. The pure talent was undeniable as well as the pure pain written into their music. I was a rather morbid teenager and picked atmosphere as the song I want played at my funeral, still is. Please cover Ian Curtis, it would mean so much to at least two people 😢
If you look at it from his side, I'm sure no slight was intended. Besides this channel, l assume he has other work commitments and even if not, how would he find the time to "heart" every one of so many comments? No need to take it personally!
ETA: l just googled them, and though l would not be it all interested, other channels have covered the subject, and may be of interest to you.
@@Bearwithme560 I don't think anyone perceives it that way and of course you wouldn't be interested if you are not invested in Joy divisions career and music. And of course other content creators have covered Ian Curtis, they were one of the most influential bands ever. They still are the cure's biggest musical influence. That being said we want Dr. Grande's take on it, a familiar. Not just some random TH-camr I've never watched.
@@meaganbernard7592 fair enough.
@@meaganbernard7592I appreciate the support! Your reasons are the same reasons I want him to cover Ian Curtis.
Keep the faith!
Ugh! This is one of the most horrific cases I've ever heard 😭 I am blown away!
Moorrrrrning Dr Grande 🎉 hooray to wake up to your video AND finding out the Marauding Multiple Mushroom Murderer has finally been charged ! Oh happy day ❤
The first wife and child were lucky to get away from this psycho.........
He had a lot of support, these narcs always have flying monkeys and people who later say “I can’t believe he did this”.
Sounds like red pill influenced him
The Redpill Relationship gurus are responsible for alot of the nonsense between men and women. It was be analyzed and discussed at some point.
I heard an account of the attack. Apparently Hannah had the chance to get out earlier from the vehicle and survive but she stayed for her 3 children as they were strapped into their seats and she didn't have time to take all of them with her. She may have had the chance to save one but instead she chose to die with all her children. Truly heartbreaking what this insane person did to his own family. He claimed he should have had custody of his children when no person who is willing to burn children alive should be allowed anywhere near them.
Wow.. sounds like my ex-husband ( cardio surgeon)… so HAPPY he left me for his YOUNG nurse.. This set me free
Don't have an affair with someone, especially when they have kids. If they'll betray their wife and kids, they'll betray you and your kids too.
Even single mums?
I find it infuriating that Hannah wanted to appease him, each time she gave in to his demands, he tightened the noose further.
I can’t listen to this stuff anymore, this will give me nightmares.
Seeing what’s happened to Harry Markle is the perfect case of a narcissistic person coming along like a spider and ruining his whole life.
This story is devastating.
Harry is not ruined. He has a wife whom he loves, his two children and he is lives in a big beautiful mansion in California with none of the suffocating restrictions of living in the royal family.
@@rosieposie9564he's got no friends, he has been isolated from his entire family and everything that he has ever known, didn't know he was "trapped" until Meghan told him he was, " what Meghan wants, Meghan gets".... Sounds like Harry is in the clutches of a narcissistic abuser to me.
Agree! Narcissists ruin families. and friendships. Just like Harry and Meghan have cut off both sides of their families. Rowan would not allow Hannah to speak to her brother. Very controlling. Thankfully Hannah was speaking to her brother again before she passed (after she left Rowan).
Hannah I am so sorry you and your children deserved so much better.
Omg… I thought I KNEW this name!! It was a HUGE, heartbreaking story here in Oz!! It makes me tear up thinking about it…. Thanks for helping expose the DANGER some people are!! God bless her poor family!! 🙏🙏🙏
Love from Oz!! 💕🇦🇺💕🇦🇺
Every time I see or hear about Hannah and her kids it brings me to tears.
This is so heartbreaking. 😢 I cannot even imagine the last moments of Hannah and her children. I hope her parents/their grandparents are finding a way to heal. I am curious about how Rowan escaped treatment for his behaviors in general... such as a kid, did his parents not seek help for him as this did not sound like a newer development?
Horrifying!
It also makes me realise how lucky my children and I are. For the picture Dr Grande paints of Rowan is an EXACT portrait of my ex-husband. Fortunately, he must have been 1° slower or less violent than Rowan, as I only suffered some broken bones. And when I realised I had no support (my family doctor’s only comment when I limped into his office was that D---- was “not being a gentleman”), I fled with my children to my parents who lived on a tiny island 5.000 miles away, with very strict entry laws. There’s no way he could have brought gasoline in with him; and, having friends in Immigration as well as all over the island, word would have reached me the moment he landed. Not only that, the tenant in my parents’ suite was a young policeman who kept his patrol car parked in the driveway!
But for the lucky alignment of the stars, my children and I could have ended up in a literal hell like Hannah and her three little children did. Not only is my sympathy for them boundless, my stomach is churning and my hair is standing on end; this despite the fact that my great escape was 45 years ago.
what a monster, please be careful, stay safe everyone.
there is hope for people in such situations, document everything as evidence to prove to authorities that you are in grave danger, MOVE away and dont let ppl know or explain to your trusted relatives why you cant tell them.
Dr. Grande, you well deserve to be supported on Patreon. I hope viewers are doing that, and I'll do it ASAP.
I never heard of this one. Was not at all expecting the level it went to. Not that I wasn’t expecting something awful - I guess it was how fast it went from gas can to all five dead. Burning like that is also top of the list for me of most dreaded ways to leave this life.
Just…wow.
wow! I wonder what his family thinks about him, his mom, dad, sister etc. wow! so said!
Why do so many people who don't love their kids still use them as weapons or focus on tormenting them?
And why did that counselor say Rowan was doing well without talking to others? Surely this counselor never spoke to Rowan's poor victims.
Thank you, Dr. Grande for this great analysis.
Only an evil mind, could plan and execute such a horrendous crime, that would shock the world. This happened only blocks away from my daughter's home.
Sounds like she was the side piece. Shouldn't have been surprised it didn't work out, especially when he abandoned his 1st child.
I feel sorry 4 his kids, not the new wife.
That’s wild. He was evil and the devil himself. Any man that can just leave his wife and child is not normal.. and there he was participating in ruining his marriage thinking she was the prize.. I feel sorry for the kids
Dear ladies, Hindsight is 20/20. Any hint of these signs of control.... Run! End it the first moment. Read about Narcissistic love bombing... These charismatic, charming shape shifters are so dangerous. I pray for the family of these poor people 😢
The issue is that the Police doesn't pay attention to dv reports, either. I live in Spain and I reported a psychopath who has been herrassing me for the past 7 years, and they still did nothing to him.
What was your evidence exactly? Your words?
For anyone who is in a domestic abuse situation, please know that YOU ARE YOUR OWN SAVIOR. It’s not a piece of paper. It’s not the police. It’s not the government. ITS YOU. You have to protect yourself. If you are not able to leave, learn how to fight or use a weapon. Do something to help persevere your life, because no one is going to care about you, LIKE YOU WILL.
I think the lesson in this and other similar situations is that there is NO competent mental healthcare professional qualified to address any of the DSM problems out there. NONE.
How sad and terrible it is...
A very sad ending about what a danger a person who loses his human characteristics and emotions can be.
So sorry for the innocent wife and children...
Human characteristics and emotions? Did he ever have some, even for himself?
Can you imagine how messed up Hannah would be if she had been the only one to survive?
She could agree on 50/50 parenting and everyone would survive. Naah, she wanted to ALWAYS get an upper hand!
The dude wasn’t the nicest one but he was NEVER charged for any wrongdoing!
@@alexeysamokhin9629@alexeysamokhin9629 your disgusting defense of a murderer who set his own three children on fire, along with burning his estranged wife to death make me question what personality disorders and twisted traits you possess. To defend a baby killer is grotesque and says a lot about you.
Hannah was absolutely, devastatingly beautiful 💔💔💔 A truly lovely woman and anyone can see it’s her personality shining through
PS: I wrote the above BEFORE listening to the details of this case. This is the worst case I’ve heard on Dr Grande. Good Lord. 😞