Wannabe Cop Arson Investigator Turned Arsonist | John Orr Case Analysis
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of John Leonard Orr?
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I'm beginning to think Dr. Grande only covered this case to burn through his store of fire puns. 🔥
Didn't do too bad yourself!
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Good point. Where there is smoke there is fire.🔥 Is that what Dr. G. Is trying to say?
Dr Grande was on fire with this one.
He's always had a burning passion for this type of video
"He developed a burning desire" I see what you did there Dr. Grande.
Got to love Dr. Grande's humor.
I cracked all the way up at that one!!!
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Thing is though, John Orr was an arsonist at the age of 6 years old so he never "turned arsonist"
Lol I saw that too.
“John was disappointed that his aspirations to be a police officer went up in smoke” 💨🤣 Love you so much Dr. Grande 😂💖🙏
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Todd is so funny. Deadpan all the way. He is the Steven Wright of psychology
Now that is a good description!
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This is the kind of guy that NEVER needs to be in a position of authority.
…but always is….💡🙄
Damn right. But they are out there.
@@sarahalbers5555 almost all of them
Yet most of your local pigs are "this kind of guy". They are all weak psychopaths who dont dare to commit crimes without the safe feeling they get from having that badge.
@@ilewtf2234 "most"? they are out there but the majority of cops just wanna do their job and go home to their families. when you treat them all like the bad ones than that make YOU the asshole.
The book “Fire Lover” is an excellent read. One of the most incriminating pieces of evident against John Orr not mentioned in Joseph Wambaugh’s excellent book (but mentioned in a documentary) was a total and complete accident. When Orr was under investigation, and before he discovered the GPS tracking device on his car, a fire broke out and the dispatcher, completely by mistake, disseminated the wrong address. So while all the emergency vehicles were racing towards the wrong location issued by the dispatcher, Orr’s vehicle was being tracked racing to the actual location of the fire. How could he have known? The answer is quite obvious. Also, after his arrest and subsequent conviction arson activity in Southern California dropped by a HUGE number. Can’t recall the exact figures but it went from dozens a year down to a single digit per year.
The title brought me in, like a moth to a flame. The video did not disappoint. I couldn't even count the number of fire puns. You are on fire today, Dr.
His puns can't be matched.
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I see what you did there
“When up in smoke” and “burning desire”, I really enjoy your word play, Dr. Grande!!
Don't leave out "trying to ignite a relationship" LOL
Respect for the first mental health professional at the police academy. Who knows what shenanigans John Orr could have gotten up to as a police officer.
I thought it was interesting that psychometric testing was used in the early 70s, I thought that was something developed in more recent years. Hopefully there are different tests used now that can screen more closely for people who pose such dangers.
@The Contemplator - I’ve often wondered exactly what is it they’re looking for in these exams. Because we’ve all seen the type of people that grow up to become law enforcement. And 9/10 are exactly the types you want zero contact with.
@The Contemplator Great point! How bad would you have to be?
@The Contemplator Right. You'd think with how important it is they would want the people with the best character and judgement. And yet, we see "bad apples" never face any consequences or when they do it's because they got caught in a viral video....
@@batkat0 there was a case where a police officer in the 90s we to 4 therapist only 1 of them Said she was mentally fit and the police academy ignored her. She end up killing her fellow officer, trying to rob the place she did part-time work for and hung out with a street teen.
Eric "Respect my authority" Cartman combined with Beavis and his obsession with fire. Except not a cartoon. Darn.
Not to mention that Orr shared Beavis’s stupidity as well.
I spit out my coffee when this was dead panned as part of Dr. Grande's commentary without even the hint of a subtle snicker. "I'm guessing John was "inflamed" when he didn't qualify for a getting out of jail soon party."
lol. That was my favorite! 🤣
"Tried to *ignite* romance."
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That delivery
Todd Grande should win the best narration award. ✌
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Concur! 👏
My brother was one of those Sears loss prevention guys. They’re pretty much a very weird group of guys. And most of them believe EVERYONE is trying to get over on the company. Especially employees. And they all have aspirations for a career in law enforcement or, if a certain age, have already been rejected from every single department in the surrounding counties. As for my brother, he settled into a career at the local VA as a counselor. And he’s as crazy as any of his clients.
You’re totally right about those loss prevention guys, and girls (frequently lesbian). Weird lot.
Tremendous
many people who work as counselors, first spent years on the couch themselves.
Does anyone know how many references were made regarding fire? I lost track at "burning up the road" I love Dr. G's dry sense of humor!!!🤣 🌵🌵🌵🌵
Love it Dr G!
At least 5 lol
So many double entendres, best work yet✌💙
His aspirations as a police officer went up in smoke.😂
"Burning through the store"
"adding fire to everything"
"Went up in smoke"
Stop it Dr, your cracking me up
Post a segment on an arsonist that has funny, appropriately placed fire puns? Impossible!
Dr. Grande: Hold my flame thrower…
Adding our own two cents is part of the fun! Good work!🌋⚡🔥
Pyrexomania: a morbid desire for glass kitchenware.
This was a good case. However, it took me over a half hour to watch. I had to rewind it every time you made a joke! And there was so many. 🤣 Thanks Dr.Grande, I hope you're having a great Saturday night! 🌕🔥
Imagine if he had gotten his dream job of being a police officer.
I’m guessing his ex-wives are relieved. I wonder what stories they have about living with him. I think his mom leaving him really did a number on him at least related to his many relationships.
@@ExiledStardust he's not blaming his mother lol, he's just listing a potential reason he spiraled a bit more, which would make him look worse as to having a unhealthy mental dependence on another human at such a age, I also find it funny how you specified men
@@ExiledStardust That kind of thinking is what leads to situations like this. It is actually well established that parental criticism/neglect/abandonment has massive effects on children who later grow up to be adults.
@@ExiledStardust if it’s adult men, then I agree, but certainly not true in the case of children.
Yes I'm sure Dante would be thrilled here.
Also, everyone tries their best to preserve job security, I guess.
Dr. Grande is on fire with the jokes on this one!🔥😄
Thank you for your analysis and I hope you have a great weekend!❤️
why are a lot of criminals married multiple times? this need to be a case study
When people are impulsive, sensation seeking, and irresponsible, their relationships don't last.
Ask my ex husband. He is on wife #4.
One of my favorite “true crime” stories. And a friend of mine is one of the police officers who put him away 😬
Thanks for updating about that one of your friends arrested that sicko.
It's always dangerous when criminal or fire investigators become criminals/arsonists themselves, because of the experience and knowledge about investigative procedures they have in order to cover their tracks.
On the plus side, their confidence almost always results in mistakes that get them caught.
I've heard of this case and always felt bad for the grandparent and grandchild who were killed and focused on that relationship. Maybe because I hear the story now as a fairly new grandparent myself, it only dawned on me today that someone lost both a parent and a child because of Orr. How completely devastating.
You're on fire with these puns!
You outdone yourself with those fiery puns, Dr Grande!
The fire puns though! 🤣 🔥
“ . . .he developed a burning desire to work in store security.” I see what you did there, Doc.
Really enjoyed this case. Your humour shines through and burns bright! Thank you Dr Grande. Enjoy your weekend.
Hellooooo, Dr. Grande. Looking forward to hearing you not diagnosing, only speculating on what could be happening in a situation like this.
Lol !
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“A ‘burning’ desire to work in store security”…. love it.
Great analysis Dr. Grande and lots of good one liners!🧔🤡
I'll add that one must listen to the pyromania album by Def Leppard and specifically the song rock of ages as a complimentary aside to this video!
I wore this cassette out in 83/84, it's one of the best rock albums ever!!
Great songs!! 🔥🎤🎸🥁🎶📻
Great emoji!
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Thanks Mrs. T!
Have a delightful Saterday evening! 💃🕺
I just watched this story on an old cable true crime show bout 2 days ago. It's fascinating. Glad to get dr grandes perspective so soon after I saw it.
I guess John burned his fingers when he turned to crime and literally jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
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I’ve found this case fascinating for years. Can you imagine what would have happened if he *did* become a police officer? I can easily imagine him committing murders then fabricating evidence to “discover” the perpetrator. After all, he had no trouble with the four people he did kill - including an older woman entertaining her very young grandson by showing him the hardware store. I can imagine few things more terrifying than being trapped in a huge, unlit store frantically trying to find an exit while smoke surrounds you and your grandchild. 😱😢
Nightmare material. Fire is the most terrifying thing to me.
The terrible price paid by innocent people because of the bad actions of criminals ( whether mentally ill or not) is so hard to take!
You've definitely upgraded your shirts over the past few months. Nice work, Dr. Grande.
I'm about to pay you a very, very high compliment amongst us forensic aficionados, Dr. Grande, so I hope that you'll read this.
I think I can speak for many of us, that we really enjoy you covering the cases that were covered on the TV program Forensic Files. Many of us have a great amount of nostalgia associated with that show as it was the predecessor to pretty much everything that's on Discovery ID.
The narrator for that program, Peter Addenbrooke Thomas, is a legend in the forensics community. His voice is so iconic and frankly quite soothing despite the subject matter that he's delivering. It was quite a blow when he died as we would no longer be able to enjoy his voice on that program.
I believe many would agree that you have become a welcome successor to Peter when you tell these stories. Thank you for picking up that torch!
Torch! No but that is a very nice compliment!🕯
I remember this case...can't wait to hear your analysis on this Sat. morning 🌄🐦⚘Thanks Dr G😊❤❤
Speaking of wannabes can you please do the Appleton Murder of 1995 I believe. Crazy story! I just watched he doc and it blew me away with how peculiar it was. Your analysis would be greatly appreciated!
He hated cops and loved setting fires. Why didn't he try to set a cop station on fire?
Inspector Clouseau! 😂LOL😂
Trying to “ ignite love interests” love the dry & fiery humor Dr. Grande! You always make my day ❤️🔥🔥
Dr Grande, could you please analyse the case of Jeremy Bamber, who was convicted in the UK of murdering his parents, sister and both her young sons? He has constantly fought against his conviction and claimed it was his sister who committed the murders as she suffered from spells of poor mental health.
Oh yes! The "White House Farm" murders. Selfish, entitled little prick kills his parents and sister so he can inherit the whole estate. (Plus a whole bunch of narcissistic, sociopathic stuff too, I'm sure.) I never saw Jeremy's sister as guilty -- he himself exhibited too many red flag behaviours, to me 🤷♀️
OMG, I so remember this here in California. I was always glued to the news following these fires. Fascinating story. Wasn’t an FBI Profiler brought in? Thank you Dr. Grande.
Yup. AND!!! I think the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders were done by a guy JUST. LIKE. THIS.
Yes, distinct possibility.
Dr. G, I think this is one of your very best case studies. There are so many awful things going on with this guy and your explanations were great. And the cherry on top, your very dry martini double entrendees. Thanks much. This gave me the strength to go to the grocery store.
Thank you dr g for more awesome knowledge ❤️💥💥💥
They say that every arsonist dreams of getting a job with the fire department.
And the fact that this is well known should influence the hiring to be especially diligent!
Hi, Dr. Grande.
I'm working on a PhD in psychology and am working in personality theory. Can you make a video about different measures of personality (MMPI, NEO-PI-R, MBTI, D3, D4, etc.) so that we can better understand what these measures do. (I understand NEO-PI-R, MBTI, and the Dark-3/4 pretty well, but MMPI remains elusive.)
Also, your older videos on Factor Analysis and other regressions have been a major help for me.
Thanks!
In your professional opinion, to what degree did John's mother abandoning him contribute to his subsequent emotional and mental pathologies.
I regularly watch this channel, but I want to be clear: I enjoy it not because of the jokes, but in spite of them.
You were on fire with all your euphemisms in this video. Wambaugh's book about this case was really interesting.
I remember a documentary on arson with this guy. They presented him as an expert fire investigator and commentator for about 2/3 of the video before pulling the camera back and revealing he was in prison fatigues and a convicted arsonist.
It was a Nova documentary.
Thanks I'm gonna look that up!
This channel is on fire!
Thanks for all the hard work, Dr Grande!
Fun hydration exercise: watch this video again, and sip some water every time Dr. Grande makes a reference to fire.
Yeah thanks
Been to the bathroom 4 times in the last hour.
@@joe18425 hello... I'm still in here ...hello 🚽🧻🚽🚽🧻🚽🧻
🔥 Dr. Grande 🔥 You’re on fire with snarky speculation comments today! 🔥
He wasn't as smart as he thought he was. What a story, thanks Dr. Grande. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒🚒💚😘
In 8-21 Gary Maynard, a college prof of Criminality, was arrested for serial arson in Northern California, and still in jail awaiting trial. He is charged with setting multiple huge wildfires, one that burned a 100,000 acres. Indeed, a very hot crime spree.
“He passed all those tests, except those based on mental health.” Wow.
Thank you dr g for more awesome knowledge 💥💥💥❤️
The fire puns in this analysis are just one of the many reasons I love your channel Dr Grande!😆This one definitely ignited my passion for your content doc! 🔥Thank you and Keep up the good work doc!!💖💖
It's always interesting to hear the comorbidities that go along with these disorders.
My only "problem" watching this was having to go back and listen again every time I laughed too long at any one of the given fire puns.
This is so true! Relistening is a constant so as not to miss a word!
Could you imagine having a simple fire at your house and this clown getting your insurance all screwed up..
The long list of problems and psychological disturbances Orr had was remarkable.
"He was hoping more planes would crash..." Ha!
That is one terrifying thought. What the hell?
He "ignited" a romance?😮 Please, keep the matches🔥 away from him.
That "typical indications of arson offenders" list creeped me out...mainly because I check almost all those boxes. Yet except for bonfires and my gas stove I don't like fire at all.
If Simon on "The Casual Criminalist" has taught me one thing it is: DON'T WRITE DOWN YOUR CRIMES!
The Eminem of subtle disses, lol
But what is Eminem the Eminem of?
“He was really hoping more planes would crash on the runway.” 😂
"...for trying to IGNITE romance with a number of love interests" LOL 6:46
If he was setting fires in the vicinity of an arson conference and then trying to 'solve' them, he made just as bad a criminal as he did an 'investigator!'
There's no one who can MATCH all of Dr. Grande's fire puns.
John was bored with his schedule as a firefighter, so he took a job working as a clerck at a 711. Hmmm...
Jeez Dr. Grande. So many puns, you're on fire!
Thanks for the video Dr. Grande. This type of mentality is absolutely dangerous. It happens a lot of the time with firefighters but can also transcend into other activities. What is a firefighter arsonist? Someone who produces a problem or conflict for the sole purpose of responding to it, and thereafter investigates it further. They produce a problem, then solve it. The result is more arson's, more investigations, and more firefighters.
Back in 1989 when I was a mechanic at the Ford dealership, we had a customer that was so obsessed with firefighting, he had his new F350 pickup repainted fire engine red. He also had a water tank with a pump and hose installed in the bed, and had personalized license plates RESQ U.
The thing is, the guy was not a member of any fire fighting agency. As I understand, he had applied and failed with every fire department in the desert. But, he had a scanner and showed up to just about every brush fire in the area. I always wondered how many of those he had something to do with. I am no psychologist, but the guy was a nut. I mean, as boys it normal to play with toy fire trucks. But for a grown man to try and convert a new pickup into a fire truck is a tad weird.
Please address the effect John's mother abandoning family might have had on his subsequent emotional and mental pathologies.
He's too busy cracking corny jokes.
Diane Schuler’s mother abandoned her family.
@@CURVEDGLASS123 sometimes that's all he can do for a narrative.
Great. I was hoping to find a new video from you. Thank you 😊
Thank you Dr Grande. Your great !
Dr Grande delivering yet another singing, blistering third degree analysis of a case.
Your analysis of this case was interesting. Several years ago I read a book about him. It was chilling even though it must have been a very hot topic when it was written.
When you talked about how turning on the flashy lights and the bee-doo noise wasn't enough for him, I knew exactly where your analysis would go. Making the flashy lights do the flashing and the bee-doo noise do the noise is fun! People like the flashy lights and the bee-doo noise! You get to be the one riding in the truck! It's fun! That not being enough is a baaaaad sign!
I love dr. Grande's wit and humor.
Dr. Grande if you want to cover something a little more light hearted and less heavy, you should do a video on Garth Brooks! He’s a strange dude
Speculating on the personality and mental health issues of people like Ramones band members Johnny, Joey and Dee Dee would be interesting.
@@mikewysko2268 I wanna be sedated...
It's hard to imagine him as a romantic hottie!
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Nice one Cassie 🤣👍...
Gotta chime in on the Dr.s hilarious sense of humor. He should be commended, and IS
Yay! I requested this a while back, and you finally got around to it. Thanks you! And great job working in all the fire puns!
A matchless number of puns….
Excellent analysis as always. Thank you Dr Grande.
I hate the fact that Billy Joel's tune instantly popped into my head and "we" changed to "he."
Excellent video 📹
'You couldn't make up this story if it wasn't true'
People like John just burn me up.
The moral of the story: You can't fight fire with fire?
Haha, "Sears", I get it 🔥