Bodybuilding Couple Have Homicidal Valentine's Day | Sally McNeil Case Analysis
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Sally McNeil?
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Me: what's a shotgun divorce?
Me a few minutes later: oh he meant that literally
The kids had an absent father, a violent step father, an enabling mother that wanted her man above all...the fact that they grew up traumatized yet seem to be doing ok today is a miracle.
The daughter ended up being abused by her child's father for 3 years (before finding the strength to leave) and the son ended up ruining his marriage due to drug abuse (before finding the courage to go to rehab): they're doing okay but their lives could've turned out SOOO MUCH BETTER if the adults around them simply behaved better.
@@TomikaKelly Vicious cycle and glad that they’re doing better
the father was absent because Sally left him and moved to the other side of the country. Is that an absent father or a father estranged by the mother? We don't know enough.
her son John Lowden got recently killed
@@happychappy8326exactly.. We just don't know.. Sally was totally unhinged and seemed to eshew having a stable relationship.
I'm so glad you covered this! I watched it on Netflix thinking... 'I wonder what the Doc would make of this' 💭 😂
Where on Netflix?
@@keptbygrace6221 I'm in the UK - think it got its premier over the weekend. Its called Killer Sally.
@@keptbygrace6221 It's on Australia also, seems like everything I watch, next thing, there Dr. Grande doing a video on it, great minds think alike right?
Same!!!!😂
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"it was not a shotgun wedding, Sally was saving that for the divorce..." 😂 savage...
His humor is great 🤣
Greatness
Yes agreed - very clever
Loved the "Ray may have been good at lifting weights, but not at pulling his weight."
And, "When it seems obvious that the Body Building community should have selected the name Dumbbells." 😅😅
I just love how you nonchalantly drop your extensive firearms knowledge and expertise in some of your videos. It's a delightful touch that makes me smile everytime I hear it. Another excellently written and delivered mini dissertation Dr. Grande, bravo! 👏👏👏
Yes, it's quite amazing what information a little research will provide. BrAvO DuRh DuRh
He makes a point to elaborate on it, in numerous videos, more than is necessary to summarize the pertinent points of the case. However I don't mind explaining this to you. I totally understand that this particular element may have been a bit too nuanced for someone who communicates using terms such as "DuRh" to fully comprehend. Hope it helped!
@@SuzaWoof DuRh
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My parents owned and operated a gym for women in the 80s, until 1994. I was a child. I remember how ridiculous the women acted during those years. Steroid use was rampant. Lots and lots of fighting.
Wow
Yeah ok then
Testosterone causes aggression it's abnormal for a human to take that stuff.
There is no reason to do steroids unless you're professional.
@@jonfreeman9682 there's no reason to comment unless you're intelligent
I do think Sally killed him for jealousy reasons rather than self defense, but he was a dirt bag as well. He almost killed a man at a club by violently blinding him, and he was almost sadistic with Sally's kids. He was not innocent by any means, but Sally did indeed murder him. Still, I think it was either going to be her or him. They were both ticking time bombs.
Anabolic steroids are rarely prescribed to help aggressive people calm down and be more compassionate and understanding. It is the medicine you might prescribe to someone inflicted with meekness or rational thought.
Omg! He blinded a man?!
Saddening
blinded a man? that should carry some SERIOUS prison time
@@gangstagarf If it can be successfully argued that it was a nothing more than a self-defense move; then it convinced a prosecutor or jury not to press charges or to convict.
Steroids tend to do this
I don't understand how these relationships where both people are constantly abusing the hell out of each other just.... continue the relationship when they both obviously hate each other
Often it's because the sex is really, REALLY good. Crazy in the head = crazy in the sheets.
@@derkeheath5172 gonna say the same. Angry sex then a flood of bonding hormone.
Spicy poontang is worth a great deal to many people.
Two narcissists feeding off one another.
its called trauma bond.
He needed her financial support. She was obsessed with him.
When your man doesn't have a job and you're out there collecting cans to recycle you're missing a gigantic waving red flag 😨
I'd say violence from both people is a bigger red flag.
@@Catlily5 Oop! Tell ‘em!
It's sad cause people in those situations would do anything to keep the man they love, to keep up their family because they don't want to be a statistic of divorce, yet often times that's a moot point because they end up being a statistic of domestic violence.
😂
@@katelynbrown98 Yup. And these women end up being married single mothers. 😖
They are so concerned with the optics of what being a single mother looks like, that they would subject their children to unhealthy relationships, and abuse, JUST to say their kids don’t come from a broken home. When actually, they do.🙁
I felt so bad for those children
She said several times that she paid for everything and did everything to make him successful. And it was said that she loved him far more than he ever loved her. I think as long as Ray stayed, Sally was able say “He hasn’t left. He loves me the most.” And she continued to pay for everything in an attempt to give Ray a feeling of “She does so much for me. She is an amazing woman. No one else would be this good to me.” But a guy that has a woman spending everything on him does not think this way. He feels entitled. So, then it’s Valentine’s Day. She was very clear about how angry she was. “You spend it with your wife, not your wh**.” And when he was indeed LEAVING all bets were off. All that resentment for paying for everything, doing everything for him, the fighting and attacking her- she was not going to let another woman enjoy a happier relationship with him than what she got out of him. She was not going to see him just forget about her.
Absolutely spot on analysis.
Sal mooched $ from her parents. They were paying the bills. Sal spent her$ on herself. She was abusive to her children and barely cared for them.
Plus she apparently didn't give a DAMN that animal was beating her children. Beasts. Both of them.
I remember when this case happened. At the time of the crime, I had a friend who dallied with body builders. After hearing stories from my friend, I vowed to stay away from body builders. The use of steroids cannot be overlooked in this case. Steroids, dysfunction- what a mess! And her kids seem so lovely!
her kids broke my heart.
Not all bodybuilders are psycho steroid junkies
body builders literally almost always fall into 1 of 2 categories: the nicest guy's you'll meet who would give you shirt off their back or roid rage freakshow who will end up murdering someone one day.
I remember one time in my gym a bodybuilder and the manager got into a fight and he kept screaming "I spend more on steroids than you make in a month" lol fucking psycho
I’ve seen people spaz on steroids before. Roid rage is a real thing.
@fidato Resource I had the misfortune of living with a bodybuilder - he was in his 50's. I never met a man nearing middle age who couldn't accept that he was now an adult. He still tried going to parties thrown by people in their 20's.
Furthermore, one day when I was making dinner he burst into the kitchen and started throwing things around, accusing me of stalking him. (I only talked to him three times since being a housemate.) The police eventually had to come down and give him a warning. Needless to say, I never wanted to be near another bodybuilder ever again. The shit they shoot into themselves clearly can't be good for them.
I really dont see how her having a dominate and aggressive personality deems her incapable of being abused physically by a spouse . Not only was he larger but he definitely outweighed her as well. She said it well in the documentary regarding the abuse..she was used to it. She was raised in abuse and often felt to never be good enough...Ray fit that exact mold for her as a partner...I dont know what kind of danger one has to be in to feel threatened by a man that chokes you until you pass out...her daughter heard the choking and stated it had happened often. Some women feel they cant get away from a man by just leaving.....also adding the fact that he disrespected her as a wife and cheated on her often. could this have been involuntary under the stress of being an abused spouse?...meaning she felt she had no other choice at this point to get away from his abuse. I dont feel the children were given an opportunity to express the abuse they themselves endured from Ray and also saw him beating / choking their mother. It is just absolutely insane to me that she served 25 years and OJ Simpson walked.........insane.
People forget that the most dangerous time for a woman is after she leaves. A lot of women endure years of abuse and statistics show that once choking happens her dying from that are really high but a lot of times it’s after they leave.
The fact your finding excuses for her is crazy. Dr.Grande no point stated that she wasnt abused.
She was.
It would be different if she was being choked, reached for a gun and shot him.
She wasnt.
She went to thew bedroom, located the shotgun, loaded it....then proceeded to confront him with it.
This is where anyone who has any logic, abused or not....uses that gun TO LEAVE.
Instead, she chose to shoot him, but him being on the ground still wasnt enough.
She then proceeded to walk back to the bedroom, expend the shell used 9which is why it was in the bedroom) reloaded, proceeded to walk back out in zero danger at this point, made sure to aim at his head, and fire.
THAT IS A MURDURER.
Not a defenseless poor woman just trying to save her life.
Thats a woman who wasnt get what she wanted and proceeded to throw a tantrum with a shotgun.
At no point does it mention her leaving....nope...she went right to the shotgun and had plenty of time they were together to leave...she didnt....abused or not, not even attempting to leave makes her 100% copable for what she did.
Should we look at all murderers, serial killers etc and look at the abuse they endured and try and act like somehow that excuses what they did???
Abuse can be a reason someone flips out...unless in a life or death situation at that moment, it can never be or should ever be an excusable reason to not be punished for their actions.
Guy was an abuser, a scumbag, but pretending she didnt have a bunch of screws loose and a bullying outlook isnt being truthful.
One of the scumbags out of the two didnt shoot the other twice with a shotgun though.
The others name was Sally, the murderer.
She should be grateful she was let out at all.
@@Spills51 I absolutely love you comment here on this whole matter!.. you put it perfectly into words!
OJ was smart, he didn't talk to police and he got great lawyers. Also I don't really think he did kill Nicole, I think he covered for their son who has since had more violent interactions with women involving knives and OJ has been non-violent since 🤷
Ray was definitely a trifling hobosexual, but Sally shot twice, reloaded the gun in a separate room, lied about this, and had an opportunity to leave or cry for help without shooting at all but didn't.
Battered or not, her life was NOT in danger when she chose to take Ray's.
I literally couldn’t imagine having a dumbbell thrown at me, I can hardly lift one!
Thanks for the vid, Dr. Grande!
Yes, you can, and more likely do. One litre of bottled water is the same as a one-kilogram dumbbell,
"The second slug struck Ray in the face. Ray was no longer a threat at this point."
As always, well said Dr. Grande...well said.
Only to the carpet or vinyl he was staining with his blood.
Too bad it wasn't your mother
@@johnhawthorn5393 lol what? Did you respond the the wrong comment or do you just randomly go around wishing death on people’s parents?
@Rosa Petals that’s not my point. I was making light of Dr Grande’s deadpan delivery
“It’s not like she confused pumping iron with pumping lead”💀💀💀
Thank you Dr Grande, how can I resist this headline?
She's guilty. She's also battered, but pursued the kill. She wasn't trying to get away as much as she was trying to prove a dominion point.
Do you mean domination?
@@wmdkitty Self-defense is only covered if you enforce the same amount of violence being put on you, and when you're clearly within the limits of danger. She literally shot him while he faced away, she literally left, and CAME back. That's not self-defense.
Creepy how she have billboards and commercials holding the same weapon she used on him
@@wmdkitty😂😂😂. Please, dear. She is a cold blood murder. Innocemt where?
Very interesting! Steroids are terribly dangerous not only to the person taking them, but for those around them. This was a new story for me, thanks for sharing 😊
@Jefferson Morant negative rizz
Thank you, Doctor Grande --You are much appreciated !!!
Your first descrption of "for" her guilty verdict is spot on. She was pissed he was cheating. She was also getting ready to go down to the bar to see if he was with another woman which she would've attempted to beat her ass.
This is going to be good. Thank you Dr. Grande! 👏 👏
Sally Connor - when the terminator movie was taken to heart
A 1980s VCR could be a deadly weapon.
Love the consistant posting Dr. Grande!! As an interesting side-note to the analysis of Sally's court answers, Military service members are NOT allowed to serve jury duty. The law says that military thinking is to, "Black and white with no grey areas." This is very true. As a veteran I had to wait for several hours in jury duty selection in Phoenix in 2021 until they discovered that I am prior service and sent me on my way.
@@kramalerav Google it, I'm not doing your homework FOR you as you didn't pay me. While you're at it, Google that in the 30's-40's Law was made stating NO actor or actress may give testimony in court due to the FACT that their employment is 'faking', representing what is not Real with absolution.
@@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou very interesting
I love your humor!
This case was absolutely intriguing.Thanks for covering it. Love you and love your sense of humour. Keep up the good work and take care.
Happy Monday everyone! ✌️💛✌️
Tyvm Dr. Grande! Bravo! 👏👏👏👏
Hope everyone has a great week. 💐
@@bthomson Ty! 😄😄Wishing you & everyone a very safe & happy week as well! 💖
0:42 “unable to regulate his use of alcohol” I noticed you abstain from using the term “alcoholic”, is that to avoid the stigma ?
This doc is always spot on! Love the dry humor.
“It was not a shotgun wedding, sally was saving that for the divorce” oml😭
I mean, Sally gets a good score for respecting the Double Tap rule when you want to make sure the problem doesn't come back, but loses points for execution due to failing to clean up the evidence.
She was so close.
I read this comment before I watched the video. I'm about 34 seconds in and I'm like "this had got to be a good one.
It would have been so much worse if she'd have tried to hide it. I give her props for ringing them straight away & owning up to what she did
“Dumbbells” 😂😂😂😂 thanks for the chuckle: I needed it today!!
She shot him in the gut with slug from a 12 gauge shotgun and according to her he kept coming at her. That blast should have destroyed his abdomen and maybe took out his spine but he kept coming. Then she shot him in the face with the shotgun; that should have taken his head off but it didn't. I never knew that 'roids could turn someone into the Terminator.
Pumping iron… Pumping lead… 👏 👏 👏 👏
Another one perfectly executed by DR .G who never misses and never seems to run out of ammunition!
When I saw the documentary I was convinced her deceased partner was a narc. His own close friends acknowledged his his short temper and how he had many affairs and didn’t seem to love her like she did him. I found it odd how he wanted to leave according to his friends but continually stayed allowing her to find his career. He was so arrogant and thought his career was more important. I find it a situation where he abused her. He constantly had affairs and other supply why he used her for pay his way. He never intended on leaving he was planning to keep leeching off her as long as she’d stay in line while he cheated. The home video of him mentioning be has authority to spank her kids is chilling. I don’t get how she was some crazy person to the media when ray abused her kids and she managed to never be aggressive toward them. Her many male clients saw her as completely sane and kind. I see her as an abuse
Victim tired of his cheating and all her outbursts in front of others was her losing grip on her life. The narc rarely lets anyone see a thing while the victim falls apart very publicly. Sally was just stereotyped because of her appearance and being a former marine. She isn’t very emotional when she discussed anything. That’s merely her demeanor. I find she was a mother pushed too far.
She also never cheated and narcs always have rotating supply. I don’t find her to be narcissistic at all. She also loved her children and they never saw her as a narc. A narc always treats one child as a golden child and scapegoats the other. I don’t find it odd both kids were in alignment with their mom as they were the ones in the home. Not rays friends seeing a glimpse of her outbursts from the abuse she enduring behind close doors. Her violence toward other women was always perpetuated by rays cheating. He made sure to flaunt his women or the notion something may be going on in the form of mind games in front of her to make sure violence ensued and he could further push the agenda she was crazy. She was absolutely suffering from battered women syndrome. He didn’t love her and continued to use her. A narc falls out of love the minute you aren’t of use to them or they find better supply which ray did. Sally never sought other supply and even found a healthy relationship after being released from jail. I found it very odd they used the testimony of his side piece like she isn’t being manipulated to believe his side of things. The side piece was aware he was married and has no ground to stand on
I agree with you 100%. Sally would have never killed if she wasn’t being abused the way she was. She is not a threat to the greater society. She is off the roids and done with abusive men.
@@garnetgoddess2059 if you watch closely in the police station when sally is saying good bye to her children she doesn’t really pay attention to her son she’s just hugging and kissing her daughter. Also the children were never together in the interview in the docu serie
Imo there has been a lot of triangulation
Signed a scapegoat
@@N0N4M30 her son wanted him dead. She was consoling her daughter because she was the one more emotionally affected. She’s the one who cried
@@garnetgoddess2059 her son actually mentioned that it was a relief when he found out Ray was dead.
Yessss. I was waiting for this!! 🎉
I wonder if traveling female body builders/wrestlers is common? Years ago, while on vacation with my family, we were at an Amish restaurant where people are sat at tables “family style”. One of the couples sat at our table was Nicole Bass and her husband. I wasn’t familiar with her but my kids were (she was a body builder and wrestler). Let me tell you, it was an experience I’ll never forgot.
When we got home, I looked her up and found her website. One of the things offered was “private wrestling sessions”. It said something like you haven’t lived until Nicole has gotten you is a leg-scissor headlock.
She was wrestling people in bed
Some do it but its a minority and it was more popular in the 90s and 2000s.
Yess king go off
Skipping this one for now because I am watching the documentary.
Looking forward to this video!
I’m quite proud of my one-liners, but I don’t know how you do it!!! 😂
Hi Dr. Grande! I just saw your video on pathological love and pathological jealousy right after seeing Killer Sally. Is it possible Sally had both these issues?
I like the deadpan Valentine’s Day and pumping iron jokes sprinkled in 🤣
You had a very polite way of saying that she wasn't the sharpest tool in the ahed.
"Dumbells "😅🤣🤣
Wow what a throwback!❤️ I remember when this happened
That “bodybuilder” can be considered a career is just bizarre.
Dr. Grande has the most fire roasts
Ok I love your comments you sneak in. The dumbbells & lack of creativity comments really made me laugh so hard!!! 😂😂
"Shot gun divorce." Lol.
According to pj rays friend, sally begged him to stay before the shooting. If it was premeditated why would she want a witness to stay? He also claimed that she wanted him to stay because ray wouldnt be abusive with him there??
Been married 45 years and we have never even yelled at each other.
Dr. You have the best personality fact checker of our time… thank you the shotgun wedding comment 😮😅😂
I have a feeling this woman lives near me. The VT Center where she use to live is only 15 min from where I live. Watching the documentary, I recognized the area immediately. So I Googled Sally McNeil near Marina, Ca, and there was a LinkedIn page with her name and same city. Not sure how if she’s allowed to move far, assuming she’s still on parole???😮
Since Ray doesn't get to tell his side, I made it up:
Sally is mad. Ray isn't.
Sally wants to argue. Ray doesn't want to argue.
Ray turns his back. This infuriates Sally, because she's not done screaming at his face from 3 inches away. She demands he listen. Ray cooks. She physically assaults him.
Ray is bigger, and he shrugs her off, easily. Ray is used to crazy. Ray is hungry, and the kids are hungry. So he starts cooking dinner. Dinner can be made. Crazy can't be fixed.
Sally storms off and returns with a shotgun. "Get out!" She screams. A crazed look in her eyes.
Ray is used to crazy. Ray resumes cooking.
Sally shoots Ray. Ray is still alive.
Sally reloads and shoots Ray in the face.
The end.
Yeah, this version is retarded.
Doctor you Rock!
"Dumbells" - Liked 👍
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Seconded!
My name is marianne and live in England 🇬🇧 I love the way it sounds with American accent 😀 😄 xx
In my opinion, what makes Sally seem guilty to me is that she went back into the bedroom to get a new gun shell to shoot Rey into the face when he was lying on the floor. If that had not occurred, I would have argued that Sally was not guilty but rather acted in self-defense.
"Playing Cupid with a Shotgun on Valentine's day ain't Smart, ..Stupid." 🤷
Great documentary
Excellent choice of topic . It has many points to consider from gender , drugs , domestic violence and touches briefly on cultural issues . She was hardened because of early choices and possibly not having enough feminine qualities to want a more typical domestic life . One wonders about gender issues playing out in the foreground and background . A much better scientific understanding of the two different genders and their blending based on humanity's long struggle to biologically adapt to it's demanding environment ? Humanity is very far behind in that field because it's driving all natural processes and is too complicated to process backward from present to the past .
Attacked each other with some regularity...
I was hoping you will comment about this case good analysis.
I thought these ppl got tested for steroid use before competitions?
They both acted like beasts & the abuse reigned over the children who were the real battered ones there. And I find it amazing that Ray could still perform mattress feats whilst indulging in 5 different steroids. She was essentially selling her services as a dominatrix. What a colossal combination of a fatal attraction.
I pray the kids are surviving & thriving wherever they are. They were surrounded by monsters & were defenseless against the both of them. Ths type of situation can lead to patricide. At least they were alleviated of that fate. At least.
How does someone talk and survive a period of time with a shotgun slug in their face
What has bodybuilding to do with it lol. When the dude had a different hobby, not 1 word. When he is a bodybuilder.
"Bodybuilder xyz....."
Concrete thinker who could not think abstractly - I find that very interesting. I liked Sally in the Netflix doc I thought she was a person willing to be a standup character but she was caught up in this Feb 14th cycle that led to her losing so much in her life. Thankfully some has been redeemed but Ray is no more. He should not have used her as he did and if he had not loved her should moved on but you see she supported his whole life - it was not fair.
Dr Grande, You have a lot of nice shirts!. You look great in warm Autumn colors! In the Jody A. video you did, you were wearing a purple-grey shirt and that color looks really good on you. I think I may be watching your videos too much! I do appreciate your channel humor and content & shirts...lol
Thats his pyjama.
A fun day....but it wouldn't be fun for long.
In the documentary she said she didn’t plan the killing and that if she had planned it she wouldn’t be having this conversation. Struck me as odd that she would admit she believes she could get away with murder. You have to think a lot about murdering someone to believe you can get away with it.
Recently I watched this biography. Versus the hours & hour's of working out there external bodies 💪- they should have been working on themselves. Vanity over mental health was there downfall. In order to have a healthy relationship ' one must love themselves. These 2 loved there muscles / obsessed with appearance. They were vain with low self esteem. If that makes sense?
Whats so disturbing was how she shot her hubby in face.
They were made for each other.
He didn’t deserve to be killed but maybe blinded since he blinded someone.
She is right where she belongs.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
Paid to do private wrestling , and traveling around the country to do this. I wonder how those clients felt when all those came out
Tolls must be paid.
She killed him because he wanted to live her ,and for a woman she knew from the gym ,after she toke care of him for so long but she did her time and now she home and remarried to another man. 🦅🔥🦅
Dumbbells 😭😂😂
The first gun shot was for Ray. The second shot was for Ray's girlfriend.
At what weird times to pple eat dinner??
Double roid rage .
The science on anabolic steroids and aggression is very clear. In animal models, mice administered anabolics become larger and far more aggressive than litter mates. This aggression takes the forms of physical violence and wounding of siblings and other cage mates.. It is very clear both individuals in this video were chronic steroid abusers. The man was also a dead beat, compounding the relationship. Rates of steroid usage in 2020+ are greater in North and South America, than the 1990 levels.
Just speculation but did anyone else get the sense that both sally and ray might be somatic narcissists after watching the documentary? Especially sally just based on interviews…she was definitely a bit grandiose at times .
I can’t imagine why you made no mention of Roid rage, which is very common in bodybuilders and probably led to most of their fights
Bodybuilding + taking multiple steroids = mucho crazy+ cheating spouse + very strong, hurt emotions, ex marine female + gun/weapons at home = bye bye cheating spouse. I’ve had many a wonderful Valentine’s Day, as no shotguns……….
Just saw it😮
I do not care if she even changed her story of what happened, I believe a person in her mental state decided to kill him because of countless countless times of him cheating, choking her , beating her up, both kids said so even the boy said he was comforted to see Ray shot , so she reached a point of paranoia, and decided this is it no one took what the children said into consideration, even the girl said that he chocked her that night and that she heard that in court. I do not think you need finger nail marks to choke someone if you have big hands and a strong wide grip as much as Ray did have,.
Was she violent? Yes, Was she herself abusive or a danger sometimes to others? Yes but no matter what I see that this woman is a victim herself, the love of her children proves it and you can blame society for making a woman work so hard and join the marines to become that strong like men are. Her childhood was not nice or supportive.
She worked hard, she grinded her body to make money, she is basically using her life to spend for Ray's dreams and he does not work, just eats and works out and cheat. Blame society for not even considering that having an affair should be punished in itself when proven. No one took into consideration that Ray blinded a man?!! Seriously this is disgusting, this woman deserved better and she is not flawed nor perfect, she was broken, ,she instantly broke down and sobbed like a baby when she heard he was dead, she was not a killer at heart.
It's reloading and second shot that ruined her self defence .I think the blood on the lampshade done it .because he was on the floor..all in all I'm glad she has a better life now
Valentine gotta weigh in...Doc underplayed the best plan, the only plan, if you can escape it’s better karma than using a shotgun. Always makes me laugh 😎
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I can't help but think about their kids.
I can just imagine their fear and trauma.
Watch the documentary, they cover it as well as anyone could.
Yes, there's a doc on netflix.
@Michael Freeland weren't her kids not from him though
@@Crazydragons-d1gNaw they were Ray step kids.. She also had another kid with a different Man she put up for adoption.. She seemed to thrive off of drama. Some women actually despise nice guys who are drama free.. Sally seemed like she fell into that camp
I adore how Dr. Grande always inserts creative puns and roasts into otherwise serious subject matter😂- it really breaks up the intensity in a fun yet respectful way. Always love hearing your thoughts and opinions, Dr! 😊
You worded that perfectly. His humor does tend to soften the heavy moments a bit. Very intelligent sense of humor.
But lbo her first husband was good to her until they got married, not until he became abusive. Love ya Dr grande
It's always nice to see the lighter side of things.
Yess I love it
I know he’s the Man! ❤😅😅
One very sad home video shown during the Netflix doc was watching Ray get a gift from the kids labeled "Dad". And unlike numerous other stepdads who are genuinely touched by this gesture, Ray uses it to make a point that when he hits the kids with the belt as their "Dad", they no longer have the right to say no. Horrible human being.
i immigrated from a poor country to North America almost 30 years ago, this case happened in the 90s - which was when i came here
i thought i was poor and generally looked up to all white people
looking back now i realize how much poverty actually exists here, both material and mental, and not just in other places...
I was disgusted by that
just saw it, it was horrible
Agreed. Sally was someone I warmed too in the doc, quite immediately, I am happy she met another man and is now happy & catching with up with all the life she’s missed out on, I wish her & her kids all the very best in moving forwards with their lives.✨💕✨
@@Girl-101 sally choose this man. She has to take some responsibility and she certainly paid the price. The kids paid the price too.
The first shot may have been self defense but the man was on the ground when shot the second time and had no ability to advance. That means the second shot to the head (face) was murder. That shot was intended to kill and disfigure. She then has the obligation to show she has no mens Rea for her defense to be valid. She could not show this. A jury might accept one shot as reasonable if the other party is advancing but not subsequent shots.
Is there no chance he could have been advancing still? I just question it cause he was such a large guy, also it was the first shot that killed him though apparently
He could have advanced even shot once
@@jjohnsengraciesmom In court they prove he was lying on the floor when the second shot hit due to blood patterning on the inside of a lamp. Impossible had he been standing.
Only one time in my life was I threatened by a woman, and that woman was a professional body builder. She was extremely aggressive. I suspect she had “roid rage”
I was threatened by several women throughout my life. Yet none of them were body builders, instead they were all Karens.
@@zacklapaglia7644
That's the worst
And Raymond didn’t? The man who weighed twice as much as she did
Aw, that's sweet to let your mom off the hook like that. You must have had only male teachers as well.. hehe But, on a serious note. This situation seems obvious, you'd have to do your best to hit her if she grabbed you, or started hitting you. Idk if you or everyone would agree, but, as I say, it seems obvious to me. So the question for me is, where do you draw the line, how do you know she is dangerous in respect to her physical capacity? What if she is a 5' nothin, 100lb street kid? Should one really let her get close and have a swing? Cz, what if it's a swipe, as in something in her hand? It's a tough issue, as gender equality continues forward, so many different issues start to come out.
Obviously, not all women are body builders, but it is just as obvious what they can achieve physically. So how did we get to this point? When it comes to gender 'roles', and physiology/bio;ogy, that is one thing, and a totally different issue, but it is easy to see how the role we play in life, male or female, greatly contributes to what we become physically, in relation to our role, the construct. In fact, I would say this is a larger factor in the physical condition we end up with. eg. A girl on a farm, active in all the operations, or a daughter to 2 marines, who grows to 6' by 12yrs, vs. a ballerina, or princessy type girl from Miami Beach, lol, Idk, but the connection is obvious, to keep it short.
Point is, if you want to be a body builder, or mma fighter, or KungFu master, and capable of defending yourself against 95% of men, that is your choice, just like it would be a wise one for men as well. But, If we are to have an equal society, should this cultural norm of men being auto-vilified, and women auto-innocent, in fights or abusive situations? We all make our choices, maybe it is the responsibility that goes with equality. If a man is within a reasonable size compared to you, then it's game on! lol Cz we even draw a line for a man on a man, right. If he's a pipsqueak, and you got the gooods, you can't beat him legit either. And no one should be hitting anyone, anyway. But that pipsqueak has to live with that fear, and feeling of deficiency, and is a victim of his choices.(even if he's not beat, he still isn't asserting authority over a stronger man) And that's exactly what is the important point for me. Women don't think like this. Most just keep the status quo of, we're women, you can't hurt us, but then assert their opinions in really disrespectful ways that a guy could never do to a guy without backlash, but they hide behind that shield. As well as their mental abuse is out of control, for the exact same reason, 'could we really hurt him as much as he hurts us?'...Umm, yeah, you could. Because the whole thing about domestic violence is the fear, and living without respite or peace. Women can inflict those things on people without violence just as easily. ... I mean, Is physical harm even the worst fate? To me, it is not. We all know the cliches of bruises heal, trust and love etc. don't always, It's very true.
The point is, it really is a construct, life. This idea highlights it perfectly. Women are just as strong and agile as men. It's right there, this woman is taller, heavier, more fit, stronger, than I am, or could ever be, and can definitely kick my ass. So why would a man never hitting a woman become a cultural thing? Don't tell me your a woman and women are naturally weaker, that's ridiculous, you choose to be weak, you choose another route to life. No species on Earth shares this imbalance. It is a choice. A string of choices creates a constructed view of the world. You could choose to be a strong developed contestant, but you don't. A man says, I'll protect you, so he accepts your construct, and can fit it with his own; 'I am strong, I have resources". And the traits that naturally develop start to be attributed to the role, i.e. things that are innate in the role, say, preparing a meal, while the man is gone hunting, they become attached to the role, and through time, masculinity and femininity develop. This all comes out of the construct of one couple, who accepted roles, and their way of life spread and was expanded on by everyone, until today, it is still happening., but there is nothing innate in what we call male and female. Again, putting biology aside. Men are not stronger, more violent, or dangerous. We have bred them to be more capable of those, and bred women to be more capable of other things. It could be a mother teaching her daughters how she learned to be deceptive and get what she wants. Obviously, intelligence, though, can overcome physical strength, this is true. So, while there is seemingly no reason for this to have developed biologically in humans, it's obvious that we 'chose' this construct, which is really just another word for culture, I can see, now.
But our exploration yielded useful results. This is further evidence confirming my assertion that, 'our faculty to choose, to decide,...'choice', is more fundamental to existence then our biology.' The metaphysical is more, it encompasses the physical. Determinism crushed again.
Peace
@@blackopal3138 Jesus, what a load of bs! Stop rambling on and inventing some new convoluted concepts, men are naturally bigger, stronger, have more muscle tissue and are more aggressive as a direct result of much higher levels of testosterone. That's an undeniable basic biology, it's repeated amongst vast majority of animals and it's essential for species survival. It's natural but it doesn't mean that human males must be destructive and abusers - that's a conscious choice. It's not a result of "breeding it in". Domestic violence is not a new phenomena, it's always been around, way more widespread and socially accepted in the past than now. It didn't have a name then, it was a matter of life.
A lot of those bodybuilders have personality issues. I know a few and all of them have agressivity and violence problems.