Just come across your channel, new to wood turning .Was having difficulty getting the right angles on my gouges thanks to you my chisels are now sharp,love the jigs. Thanks again.
Don’t worry about something not Boeing interesting enough Keith; I am a beginning woodworker and I learn from everything. I like it that you try to keep things affordable; quality doesn’t have to be expensive!
Really not boring at all. I have been sharpening chisels for years & that's really not a issue. Sometime this coming year I will buy a lathe & therefore sharpening becomes a different ball game. You have illustrated common sense & a practical approach so you give me food for thought going forwards about what can be done. Nice video, well presented. Thank you.
Thats what we need. Cheap simple and effective. Everyone has a bench grinder lol ( except me😒). I dont mean that as being disrespectful its a really good idea for us beginners to get the results of a pro. Well done Keith 👏 .
Replace the nut and bolt with some Bristol levers. Axminster do them. You could have used the sander side and bought different grits, not sure how easy that would be on yours. If you start wood turning more often jigs are the way to go, so quick and easy, and pay back is pretty quick as you remove less steel and less chance of wrecking the gouge or worse creating a hooked edge that virtually guarantees a catch. Finally as always a really good informed video and despite the comments above a great way to get started with minimal investment
The bracket underneath the table is tapped, and I tried replacing the bolt but the thread is not the "normal" size... So without knowing the thread density and whether Bristol levers are available in that size, I'm not sure it would work unfortunately
You've introduced several excellent ideas I'd never considered: the angle jig and magnetic spacer for shorter chisels. A now-deceased saddle maker added this one: in her low-headroom shop she hung a roll-up style window shade just behind her grinder to confine the sharp little cinders of ground steel that bounce around the shop to work their worst mischief, scratching otherwise perfect surfaces, in some future work.
Awesome. Thanks very much for the video. It's the perfect compromise of -cost -ease of use -precision - quality of work. Love it. Keep up the good work
I must overcome my dislike of sharpening, I think i'll get better results if i do! Your video is thought provoking, instructional, and inspirational, cheers Keith.
I like the idea of this because even though I’m not the greatest when it comes to chiselling out a hinge or things along those lines but having a properly sharpened chisel helps a great deal. Great video Keith 👍🏼👍🏼
Great video, very helpful, I think a lot of us are in the same boat as we want to be able to do things without breaking the bank, Keep up the great work.
It was not a waste of time or caused any boredom, at least very useful for us looking for a simple way, perfection will come with practice. Thanks for sharing. Stay Safe!
Hi Keith, if you haven't got one already, get yourself a dressing/re-truing tool. Grinding gouges will hollow the centre of the wheel face. A slip stone to hone the inside of the gouge can be useful. Also, as the wheel wears, you'll need to reshape your setting guides slightly to maintain repeatability.
Keith, get yourself a sorby pro edge, I know they are expensive but believe me mate you wont ever look back. It will take care of all your sharpening needs and gives a fantastic edge. I love mine
This set up is working as I want it to. I did explain in the video that this was "on a budget", I could never spend that kind of money on a sharpening set up
This is a great set up that you have designed and constructed. You always exhibit a great deal of creativity in your projects. I appreciate that you pay attention to limiting costs whenever possible. I believe that most have a quite finite amount of financing to devote to their woodworking hobby. Wonderful job as always. Stay safe.
I have been putting off getting a Tormek setup due to thd cost of it, this has definitely helped me decide on going down the same route as you... Great video, really informative.
No need to swing the gouge with that type of grind, you just need to twist it same as for a spindle roughing gouge etc. You only really need a jig to swing the chisel for grinds with swept back wings such as a fingernail or Irish grind. Might be helpful to make a block of wood with a v grove (that points towards the wheel. Then when clamped down it will allow you to twist the gouge for a perfect grind every time.
Rag 'n' Bone Brown if the angle of the bevel is the same all the way round then it only needs to twist. If not then yes it would need to pivot. Have a look at the v groove attachment for the Sorby pro edge, this allows a continuous angle grind. I have used this attachment and previously home made versions for quite a few gouges with a standard 45 degree grind. Good video cheers.
I'm in the same boat...got a good lathe cheap, with some Marples chisels, but farmer Brown got his goat to sharpen them with an angle grinder... Australian wood is very hard on the tools, and after looking into sharpening jigs/stones...and being a metal fab engineer...i knew there had to be an easy option, but yes the reduction of the radius on the wheel and the angle of the tool will change, but i feel comforted by your " angle is close enough".... height of the tool rest/angle of the chisel/how much i care...etc, etc...some videos make it seem so imperative, you may as well use a metal lathe
With that grind, you should keep the bowl gouge straight in line with the wheel and just roll it. There is actually very recent couple of videos on the Record Power channel that have sharpening tips for various gouges that are worth a watch.
I don't think that's correct for the bowl gouge. The roughing gouge you can keep straight, maybe that's what you mean? The bowl gouge needs to be pivoted, I'm just replicating the grind that is already on the tool
Rag 'n' Bone Brown People put all sorts of grinds on bowl gouges. Your bowl gouge looked like a standard grind, the deeper flute of the bowl gouge does make the grind profile look different from a roughing gouge, even though it isn’t. You need to try the marker pen trick to ensure you have the right angle.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that's not the grind on my chisel. The record power bowl gouge appears to have a flat end, the crown M42 one that I have does not
You could replace the bolt underneath the table with a Bristol lever that's what I did with mine. As to the t screw on the side make your own knobs John Heisz has a video on that. Always interesting to see how someone else approaches problems so not boring or wasted.
The bracket underneath the table is tapped, and I tried replacing the bolt but the thread is not the "normal" size... So without knowing the thread density and whether Bristol levers are available in that size, I'm not sure it would work unfortunately. Cheers
"I'm using brass washers here just because I'm fancy, no not really they were the only ones I had that were the right size" 🤣🤣hahahahahahhaha🤣🤣 Nice setup, mate. 👍🏽
Love the video, did you consider using the belt part of your grinder for the sharpening system, belts are cheap and lots of grit available? I'm going to be in the same situation soon...
I wanted the "green" tool rest but can't find the link. The links included took me to other types of rests. Can you specify where I can get that green tool rest.
and now you make me feel like a fool for spending money on a Tormek. Agree with the setup time, having something super fast is very important, jigs and fixtures are great, but they do have setup time.
Nice practical set-up. The CBN wheel seems to do a good job. Maybe you could fit a knob to that bolt instead of having to use a spanner to adjust the angle?
I hope my honing guide will be easy ( i dont think so ) as your jigs with the bevels . Nightmares will begin when it will arrives . I have orderd veritas II .
Thanks for a great video, Keith! I am looking forward to seeing how you feel about this setup after some use. It is good to know that there are jigs available without donating your kidney. I think I will go for a similar solution as you, but with the jig for the roughing gouge.
Cheers. I used it quite a lot yesterday as spent most of the day turning. It worked out great and I'm getting better at sharpening the gouge already. I get a really nice grind on the right hand side, it's just the pivoting and twisting to the left that I struggle with a bit! Works well but I do wish I could have found a higher grit stone. But it's sharp enough
Great video, great tool shooting jig and adaption ideas. Did you have any issues with ‘blueing the steel ‘ ie excessive frictional heat modifying the microstructure of the steel cutting edge, excessive heat can soften the steel blade. Hence, round water cooled sharpening stones powered by hand ,or low speed drive belts eg torment. I was told these type of grinders are too fast for tool sharpening ?
Great video Keith, I wondered whether you could route out the radius of your gauge with a core box bit and line it out with some 120 scratch and take some of the uneven Ness out on the grind,I don't think the channel would need to be perfect,Just a thought anyway carry on the goodwork
80 grit is plenty high for sharpening woodturning tools- I've got a 46 grit wheel for shaping new tools and an 80 grit for sharpening. Take a look at Cindy Drozda's 40-40 grind video, it goes over the bowl gouge sharpening technique you are using.
Thanks for sharing this video! One suggestion for bowl gouges: consider a diamond hone card for touch ups between grinding. I watched a video by turner Gord Rock who demonstrated this
Nice one Keith...I have a RP wet stone system which is great but my 5"grinder has those useless stands on them i downloaded Stumpy Nubs plans for his homemade version of the veritas jig, which kinda was ok. but your solution looks good but its not Blue so no good for me...😂
Very timely video, I'm slightly apprehensive about sharpening chisels, as its totally foreign to me, I can see the appeal of fancy jigs, but like you I'd rather understand what im doing. I think I need to invest in a decent grinder as mine is a cheap Argos thing. How do you sharpen your plane blades ? Keep up the good vids.
Making a jig for your bowl gouge is pretty easy. Marius Hornberger have a design that is easy to make: th-cam.com/video/sfmIv0iXjis/w-d-xo.html And if you only have one bowl gouge to use it on, then setup time is really quick. A stop for the stick out and a line on the stick for the pivot point, and you are done. Sure learning to do it by hand is cool and all, but a consistent finish is much more preferable. In my opinion at least. It's still nice to see your continuing progress in your shop.
just want add 1 thing only, as far as bowl gouges sharpening goes, jigs are neccesary! there almost no way u can sharpen them perfectly with out 1 or atleast nearly impossible!
Anyone else think he said "I got laid recently and I talked about that in a recent video?" :). If it wasn't for the graphic that said "lathe" I'd have no idea. :)
lets be honest setting up the tool rest rest is a pain, loosen the table, roughly set it, check for contact, give the table a tap, check again, "frustrating", although not available now, robo hippy made an adjustable tool rest, pre set angles, seconds to change angle. repeatability every time. Mike Waldt has done a video on it. surely someone is capable of manufacturing a similiar tool rest, and get us out of the dark ages
Decent little video, I’m exactly where you are at the moment ref sharpening lathe tools…..flinched when you plonked the plane down flat😉
Make no mistake, sir. You ARE fancy!!!!
Thanks, that was helpful. Hadn’t really thought about making little jigs for setting the angles. It’s a good idea.
Thanks Keith, Just what I'm looking for,
Great video thanks for sharing
Just come across your channel, new to wood turning .Was having difficulty getting the right angles on my gouges thanks to you my chisels are now sharp,love the jigs. Thanks again.
Really useful information and ideas, thanks for sharing
Very helpful video Keith based on setting up for woof turning!🏴👍
Thanks for making it. Your no nonsense approach is always appreciated
Clever and resourceful and good low cost.
Don’t worry about something not Boeing interesting enough Keith; I am a beginning woodworker and I learn from everything. I like it that you try to keep things affordable; quality doesn’t have to be expensive!
Brilliant ideas 👏👍🙏🤫
Really not boring at all. I have been sharpening chisels for years & that's really not a issue. Sometime this coming year I will buy a lathe & therefore sharpening becomes a different ball game. You have illustrated common sense & a practical approach so you give me food for thought going forwards about what can be done. Nice video, well presented. Thank you.
Thats what we need. Cheap simple and effective. Everyone has a bench grinder lol ( except me😒). I dont mean that as being disrespectful its a really good idea for us beginners to get the results of a pro. Well done Keith 👏 .
Replace the nut and bolt with some Bristol levers. Axminster do them. You could have used the sander side and bought different grits, not sure how easy that would be on yours. If you start wood turning more often jigs are the way to go, so quick and easy, and pay back is pretty quick as you remove less steel and less chance of wrecking the gouge or worse creating a hooked edge that virtually guarantees a catch.
Finally as always a really good informed video and despite the comments above a great way to get started with minimal investment
The bracket underneath the table is tapped, and I tried replacing the bolt but the thread is not the "normal" size... So without knowing the thread density and whether Bristol levers are available in that size, I'm not sure it would work unfortunately
Great video thank you.
You've introduced several excellent ideas I'd never considered: the angle jig and magnetic spacer for shorter chisels. A now-deceased saddle maker added this one: in her low-headroom shop she hung a roll-up style window shade just behind her grinder to confine the sharp little cinders of ground steel that bounce around the shop to work their worst mischief, scratching otherwise perfect surfaces, in some future work.
Just bought my first lathe. Really useful thanks..
You are a clever lad!
Super helpful, thanks.
Very good
Kieth that’s really good. Going for that!
Excellent info Thanks
Awesome. Thanks very much for the video. It's the perfect compromise of
-cost
-ease of use
-precision
- quality of work.
Love it. Keep up the good work
The blue wheel looks good was hoping to see it used more
Great video Iv ordered myself one of them rests now my chisels are ready for a sharpen up
I must overcome my dislike of sharpening, I think i'll get better results if i do! Your video is thought provoking, instructional, and inspirational, cheers Keith.
I like this video. I am also on a budget, I found this to be very helpful as I am going to build a similar set up. Thank you.
That was awesome!! Thank you.
Good work.
I like the idea of this because even though I’m not the greatest when it comes to chiselling out a hinge or things along those lines but having a properly sharpened chisel helps a great deal. Great video Keith 👍🏼👍🏼
Been looking for a grinding wheel like this. Thanks Keith.
Great video, very helpful, I think a lot of us are in the same boat as we want to be able to do things without breaking the bank, Keep up the great work.
Ha! You're a mad genius Mr. Brown 😁 good work!
Good content, great info aimed at the smaller workshop (and I’ve got the tiniest), but I’m gonna use that knowledge for my setup, thanks
3:50 please is it possible to see the swivel below the green jig?
good job! thanks.
It was not a waste of time or caused any boredom, at least very useful for us looking for a simple way, perfection will come with practice. Thanks for sharing. Stay Safe!
Cheers, v helpful just had my silver line bench grinder delivered and that clears up a few issues I've been having , thanks
Very beautiful project!! Love the way you tackles the problems you are very resourceful!!
Yet another great video. Keep it up 🇬🇧
Thank you
nicely done..
Hi Keith, if you haven't got one already, get yourself a dressing/re-truing tool. Grinding gouges will hollow the centre of the wheel face. A slip stone to hone the inside of the gouge can be useful. Also, as the wheel wears, you'll need to reshape your setting guides slightly to maintain repeatability.
Keith, get yourself a sorby pro edge, I know they are expensive but believe me mate you wont ever look back. It will take care of all your sharpening needs and gives a fantastic edge. I love mine
This set up is working as I want it to. I did explain in the video that this was "on a budget", I could never spend that kind of money on a sharpening set up
This is a great set up that you have designed and constructed. You always exhibit a great deal of creativity in your projects. I appreciate that you pay attention to limiting costs whenever possible. I believe that most have a quite finite amount of financing to devote to their woodworking hobby. Wonderful job as always. Stay safe.
Thank you! I've always been a cheapskate so it comes naturally to me 😂
I have been putting off getting a Tormek setup due to thd cost of it, this has definitely helped me decide on going down the same route as you... Great video, really informative.
Thank you
Another interesting video keith. Those very simple jigs are a brilliant idea
Cheers 👍
I need this so bad
I colour mine with a black marker pen before grinding so i can see that i am parallel after the grind
Awesome..
No need to swing the gouge with that type of grind, you just need to twist it same as for a spindle roughing gouge etc. You only really need a jig to swing the chisel for grinds with swept back wings such as a fingernail or Irish grind. Might be helpful to make a block of wood with a v grove (that points towards the wheel. Then when clamped down it will allow you to twist the gouge for a perfect grind every time.
No this bowl gouge needs to pivot, it does not have a straight end
Rag 'n' Bone Brown if the angle of the bevel is the same all the way round then it only needs to twist. If not then yes it would need to pivot. Have a look at the v groove attachment for the Sorby pro edge, this allows a continuous angle grind. I have used this attachment and previously home made versions for quite a few gouges with a standard 45 degree grind. Good video cheers.
I'm in the same boat...got a good lathe cheap, with some Marples chisels, but farmer Brown got his goat to sharpen them with an angle grinder...
Australian wood is very hard on the tools, and after looking into sharpening jigs/stones...and being a metal fab engineer...i knew there had to be an easy option, but yes the reduction of the radius on the wheel and the angle of the tool will change, but i feel comforted by your " angle is close enough"....
height of the tool rest/angle of the chisel/how much i care...etc, etc...some videos make it seem so imperative, you may as well use a metal lathe
Cool thanks
Clever. Thank you. I needed it.
Dude this was totally interesting and helpful!! Thanks for making the video!!
With that grind, you should keep the bowl gouge straight in line with the wheel and just roll it. There is actually very recent couple of videos on the Record Power channel that have sharpening tips for various gouges that are worth a watch.
I don't think that's correct for the bowl gouge. The roughing gouge you can keep straight, maybe that's what you mean? The bowl gouge needs to be pivoted, I'm just replicating the grind that is already on the tool
Rag 'n' Bone Brown People put all sorts of grinds on bowl gouges. Your bowl gouge looked like a standard grind, the deeper flute of the bowl gouge does make the grind profile look different from a roughing gouge, even though it isn’t. You need to try the marker pen trick to ensure you have the right angle.
It's working perfectly for me, I did it multiple times yesterday in the same way as I did in this video, and the tool is working great 🤷♂️
Rag 'n' Bone Brown Sorry I was only trying to help out a novice turner.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that's not the grind on my chisel. The record power bowl gouge appears to have a flat end, the crown M42 one that I have does not
You could replace the bolt underneath the table with a Bristol lever that's what I did with mine. As to the t screw on the side make your own knobs John Heisz has a video on that. Always interesting to see how someone else approaches problems so not boring or wasted.
The bracket underneath the table is tapped, and I tried replacing the bolt but the thread is not the "normal" size... So without knowing the thread density and whether Bristol levers are available in that size, I'm not sure it would work unfortunately. Cheers
"I'm using brass washers here just because I'm fancy, no not really they were the only ones I had that were the right size"
🤣🤣hahahahahahhaha🤣🤣
Nice setup, mate. 👍🏽
Love the video, did you consider using the belt part of your grinder for the sharpening system, belts are cheap and lots of grit available? I'm going to be in the same situation soon...
Interesting thanks.
A good enough set-up for very small outlay. The money should always be in the wheel.
Nice! I can’t seem to find that exact green tool rest. Link for it?
I wanted the "green" tool rest but can't find the link. The links included took me to other types of rests. Can you specify where I can get that green tool rest.
Well it's been a year since you've been freehand sharpening. Does practice make perfect?
do you think that carbide bits are better than chisels?
and now you make me feel like a fool for spending money on a Tormek. Agree with the setup time, having something super fast is very important, jigs and fixtures are great, but they do have setup time.
Tormeks are awesome, you can get a perfectly sharp edge on them
Nice that you can use a 6 inch grinder. Most of the local experts say 8 inch in minimum.
Nice practical set-up. The CBN wheel seems to do a good job. Maybe you could fit a knob to that bolt instead of having to use a spanner to adjust the angle?
I hope my honing guide will be easy ( i dont think so ) as your jigs with the bevels . Nightmares will begin when it will arrives . I have orderd veritas II .
Strange way to heat a pot noodle. :)
so as the diameter of the wheel gets smaller your quick set wooden gauges will become less consistently accurate?
That won't be a problem for ages, and when it is a problem it will take all of about 15 minutes to make a new set of jigs
Do your gauges change as the wheel wears down?
yes
Very useful vid - do you have a current link for the grinding guide ? it looks simple and good
In the description
The Robert Sorby pro edge sharpening setup is close to $1000 here in Aus
My brief research found that CBN wheels also need quite a powerful grinder (450W+) and ideally a slow speed as well (~1500 vs. regular ~3000 rpm).
Thanks for a great video, Keith! I am looking forward to seeing how you feel about this setup after some use. It is good to know that there are jigs available without donating your kidney. I think I will go for a similar solution as you, but with the jig for the roughing gouge.
Cheers. I used it quite a lot yesterday as spent most of the day turning. It worked out great and I'm getting better at sharpening the gouge already. I get a really nice grind on the right hand side, it's just the pivoting and twisting to the left that I struggle with a bit! Works well but I do wish I could have found a higher grit stone. But it's sharp enough
Great video, great tool shooting jig and adaption ideas. Did you have any issues with ‘blueing the steel ‘ ie excessive frictional heat modifying the microstructure of the steel cutting edge, excessive heat can soften the steel blade. Hence, round water cooled sharpening stones powered by hand ,or low speed drive belts eg torment. I was told these type of grinders are too fast for tool sharpening ?
Hi there, love these vids. Can you tell me where I can buy the green wood sharpening jig ? CHEERS
JOHN
It's in the description box
Seems like the price has gone through the roof, £50+ now for the blue ceramic stones.
Great video Keith, I wondered whether you could route out the radius of your gauge with a core box bit and line it out with some 120 scratch and take some of the uneven Ness out on the grind,I don't think the channel would need to be perfect,Just a thought anyway carry on the goodwork
Nice video that pal.... Will those jigs still be anygood when the blue wheel starts wearing down and getting smaller.??
Cheers, yeah the jigs will mean it'll work the same as the wheel gets smaller
Interesting
A wider wheel would be better for gouges i set mine at 40 degrees but everyone has their own preferences
80 grit is plenty high for sharpening woodturning tools- I've got a 46 grit wheel for shaping new tools and an 80 grit for sharpening. Take a look at Cindy Drozda's 40-40 grind video, it goes over the bowl gouge sharpening technique you are using.
Thanks for sharing this video! One suggestion for bowl gouges: consider a diamond hone card for touch ups between grinding. I watched a video by turner Gord Rock who demonstrated this
Nice one Keith...I have a RP wet stone system which is great but my 5"grinder has those useless stands on them i downloaded Stumpy Nubs plans for his homemade version of the veritas jig, which kinda was ok. but your solution looks good but its not Blue so no good for me...😂
Cheers Paul I've not seen stumpy nubs till rest will look that up
Very timely video, I'm slightly apprehensive about sharpening chisels, as its totally foreign to me, I can see the appeal of fancy jigs, but like you I'd rather understand what im doing. I think I need to invest in a decent grinder as mine is a cheap Argos thing. How do you sharpen your plane blades ? Keep up the good vids.
My previous video was all about how I sharpen. Thanks
I missed that one. Great thanks, watched it now.
thanks for your work on the video.
Your link for your Tool Rest is a broken, and no longer working
I have fixed it now, thanks
Making a jig for your bowl gouge is pretty easy. Marius Hornberger have a design that is easy to make: th-cam.com/video/sfmIv0iXjis/w-d-xo.html
And if you only have one bowl gouge to use it on, then setup time is really quick. A stop for the stick out and a line on the stick for the pivot point, and you are done.
Sure learning to do it by hand is cool and all, but a consistent finish is much more preferable. In my opinion at least.
It's still nice to see your continuing progress in your shop.
I'd still rather learn to do it by hand without a jig
Check out my latest designed lathe chisel jig. I did offer to send one to you :) Made in England!
I'm happy with this set up but thanks for the offer
just want add 1 thing only, as far as bowl gouges sharpening goes, jigs are neccesary! there almost no way u can sharpen them perfectly with out 1 or atleast nearly impossible!
Перевод , метрика
Good luck trying to sharpen a fingernail bowl gouge without a jig
I don't use fingernail grinds
@@RagnBoneBrown I'd definitely invest in one if you get the bowl turning bug
I already have the bug for sure 😁 but still don't want the jig
As per .tip top video.
wtuytf.
Anyone else think he said "I got laid recently and I talked about that in a recent video?" :). If it wasn't for the graphic that said "lathe" I'd have no idea. :)
lets be honest setting up the tool rest rest is a pain, loosen the table, roughly set it, check for contact, give the table a tap, check again, "frustrating", although not available now, robo hippy made an adjustable tool rest, pre set angles, seconds to change angle. repeatability every time. Mike Waldt has done a video on it. surely someone is capable of manufacturing a similiar tool rest, and get us out of the dark ages
LOL, ..... because it was green.
Ok ex hv