"How is no one noticing this?" In the comic he mentions that one of the first thing he noticed about Amber was that she is one of the only people that actually does look up.
She just so happened to look up at Mark and Eve (slightly proving Eve wrong) right after Eve said that regular people don't look up. Mark just said "never".
That is a common one used for a lot of things but the reality is you don't need to look up unless the thing is effectively right above you as you see a ton of the sky in your peripheral. Of course the answer is really 'because it is tv show/story telling logic where things we don't want to happen don't happen.".
I mean, it's a world where superheros, super tech, and super phenomena are a thing. "Something flying about in the sky", as long as it doesn't shoot laser beams out of it's ass and doesn't leave a giant crater next to anyone, would be dismissed as "Eh... maybe a new model of patrol ship" .... I mean, do *YOU* look up to every helicopter or banner plane that flies by?
@@bcn1gh7h4wk yea. I have almost 30 years and i will go out of the house to look at helicopter/plane :D it is still "wow" or "I hear you, where are you??"
Nolan talked about the Great Purge briefly to Mark in the first season finale where the Viltrumites took out half their population to leave only the strong among them.
The Great Purge happened because of Thadeus he killed Emperor Argall and all the Viltrumites thought he was weak for caring about the rest of the Universe so they started killing All sympathetic weak Viltrumites until only the Ruthless ones Remained @@funnylilgalreacts
@@dwnkaomwn3953I’ve read the comics- you’re right. There have been multiple mass Viltrumite deaths but the Purge was the one where they turned on each other.
I think the key thing that Cecil misses, is that it's the ability to have genuine connections with humans that kept Mark from turning out like his dad. Even knowing he's going to outlive them all by millennia, Mark loves the humans in his life, and THAT keeps him tied to the fate of humanity. It's very similar to Aang in ATLA - absolute power is a corrupting influence, and while Aang has his past lives to inform him and balance him, it's his connection to "normal" people that keeps him from seeing himself as above them. Cecil should WANT Mark to have human connections, but after the life HE has led, I'm not sure he can see things that way anymore.
I think Cecil is actually very much aware of that. In the first episode he briefly talked to Mark about going to college with Amber, and he's been trying (not always successfully) to make sure Debbie is taken care of. I think Cecil's concern after the Atlantis incident and now Invincible leaving for Thraxa is that Mark's empathy extends BEYOND humans - and that makes him distracted and vulnerable to influence. I think Cecil is worried about Mark's heart growing too big.
Yeah, Cecil isn't really missing anything. It's just that the singular thing he cares about is keeping Earth safe. That means his humanity only extends to the point where those two things intersect. He will do anything in his power to protect Earth from threats, anything. Including using Mark or in the worst case scenario having to eliminate him (or at least attempt to).
@@fredwinexactly, Cecil just doesn’t want mark to go off world by himself, people forget that mark’s mom JUST came and bitched him out and told him to keep him safe. He took those things to heart you can tell with the way he speaks to Debbie.
No, what's kept Mark from turning out like his dad is his age. Yes, DNA-wise, Mark might be 90% Viltrumite, but his mind is still 100% human. He thinks in human terms. He might know that he's going to outlive his friends, but he doesn't understand it. He can't - not until it starts happening. It's not until then that his human connections will become the thing that keeps him from treating people like ants.
The thing with Kate is that it's one mind perceiving the world through many bodies with many brains. If she creates nine duplicates, and therefore has ten of herself running around for a year, she's experienced the same year from ten different viewpoints. Chronologically, she's therefore aged one year. EXPERIENTIALLY she's experienced ten years worth of different perspectives. She might be biologically a teenager, but experientially have centuries under her belt due to parallel living, depending on how many bodies she's splintered off.
It's weird to me that in the gym scene, only one of her was working out, while the other 3 or 4 just stood around. Dude... 1 - bis/tris, 2 - chest/back, 3 - core, 4 - cardio, 5 - legs Get 5 workouts in one day and just *kill* it.
It may seem like she's redeeming herself, and she is so far, but i think it's mostly because of the criticism of how they handled her in the previous season, and going back to how the comics handled it. For the sake of the show's continuity, I'll say that the fight between Invincible and Omniman gave her a wakeup call on how dangerous what he does really is as she saw the brutality of that fight as it was happening right after she broke up with him.
Ber didn't need to redeem herself, morons like you needed to get a clue and recognize she was right to be pissed at Mark for making her have to figure out his identity was the reason her abandoned her herself instead of just telling her.
This is a reasonable 'retcon' or adjustment. I mean, if you think that 'oh, Mark is actually some superhero beating up the Lizard League' you might get really salty about the lies and bullshit. Then watching him get absolutely pulped by his super dad... first, that's a traumatic experience for everyone on the planet. But it's going to reeeeally make you reassess things.
I loved this episode, especially the focus on Allen. I know in my heart this can't be the end of Allen. They implied he's been beaten by a Viltrumite before, and we know they never go easy on an opponent. Got the song that plays at the start of his episode, and I'll be listening to it on repeat.
In the 1970s, Science Fiction author Larry Niven wrote a humorous essay called "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" in which he discussed - sometimes in gruesome detail - some of the issues that might result from Superman having sex with a human woman. The conversation Amber and Mark have definitely seems to be a nod to that.
That said, Debbie is alive and (physically) well, so at least they know he won't accidentally injure or kill Amber... and as we saw in season one Mark's seen and heard enough to be aware that his mother certainly seemed to enjoy her intimate moments with Nolan, so Amber _should_ be fine. (Also, both his parents seem to be the kind that'd've told him if there was any particular precaution - other than the usual - he should take.)
I think one thing that this question misses, is that evolution generally doesn't make all things stronger. There's no reason at all for semen to move at dangerous speeds, or for the muscles propelling it to be super-strong. The distance they have to travel, as far as we know, is no different for superhumans/viltrumites. VOLUME might be different (and corresponding organs larger or smaller, like in apes), but there's no reason for velocities that would harm a human, given the bizarre fact of reproductive compatibility. I get that the Superman trope is centered around "what if human but stronger in every way", but given that Viltrumites can punch through each other, it's clear that having weapon-strength ejaculation would probably be detrimental to THEM as well. The "will you get carried away and crush me" thing makes sense, though
@@abedrayton6398 _"There's no reason at all for semen to move at dangerous speeds, or for the muscles propelling it to be super-strong."_ I mean, _ducks_ exist... male ducks and female ducks are trapped in a genital weapon race, with penises corkscrewing and growing longer to ensure conception, and vaginas corkscrewing _in the opposite direction_ and becoming labyrinthine and full of dead ends to give females a chance to choose which male will actually succeed... also cats, with spikes in their penises literally intended to cause pain (it apparently causes female cats to ovulate), and several species of beetles with literally _weaponised_ genitalia, intended to make it _physically impossible_ for the female to breed with other males, or to _pierce_ through the female abdomen into her reproductive organs... That is to say, Viltrumites being Viltrumites, them having evolved weaponised genitals to pierce through the opposite gender's defences was not out of the question. Of course, Debbie having survived Nolan physically unscathed shows that that isn't the case, but still, it _is_ a fair question, and something to be worried about, before mating with an alien.
Yes! Glad someone else knew this. :) The collection it appears in has a lot of great what if notions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Steel,_Woman_of_Kleenex
Watching your reaction made me realize that the “Great Purge” that is mentioned is probably what Omniman talked about on the last episode of last season. How his people killed the weak of their species to become stronger…
that is why he tried to Kill Allen he Thought he was Weak he is still A Viltrumite who believes in most of the Evil Custom not Conquare other worlds but he believes that the Weak deserve nothing but Death and the Strong can Rape the Weak and many more Customs
Want to give them props for the Rex and Kate convo, because it showed more of them as characters. Rex showing he cares despite his tendency to say the wrong things is a good thing for us to see. Kate hasn't been my favorite character but it's nice to get to understand her. Loved so much about this episode, but wanted to give a not big moment some props!
Fan of the comic here, don't worry, i'm not here to spoil a thing. just here to say that the Allen segment is an adaptation of an issue of Invincible that was totally about Allen, kind of a "Allen's own issue" kinda thing. And just for fun, that issue had a goofy narrator. So it was pretty great to see they decided to keep the goofy Narrator bit for the show.
This is far more than just character maturation happening. It is a complete change in core character behavior. She is acting much more like the supportive comic book Amber now. I have to wonder if the scriptwriters took heed of the constructive criticism they earned from S1 Amber.
@@wwfnbafan That's a good start. From a writers perspective - that was far from the only mistake the scriptwriters made. It was their most blunt mistake. Makes sense from a PR perspective that Kirkman wants to not publicize the other errors. I hope he can make the proper improvements / adjustments.
As mentioned, definitely a writing shift. But it's not an unreasonable change in outlook given all the heavy shit that ended up happening. Plus, again, they are teens. Teens can heel turn about all sorts of things.
"What is this card?" On one side was a phone number, but on the other it showed the Morse code for "S.O.S." which, in addition to the traditional meaning of "call for help," (pun intended) in this context also stands for "Spouses Of Superheroes."
I’m a new subscriber. However not the first reaction I’ve run across from @funnylilgalreacts. Her reaction to the Wakanda Forever trailer got my attention. I went back and watched other reactions, and after Season 2 episode 1, I was on board. Love the honesty, and genuine emotion!!
and then Theadus with the help of some scientists created the Screage Virus to kill the rest of the villtrumites it killed about 99.99 percent of them and only 50 pure blooded Viltrumites remained
Not sure why anyone would like the Shapesmith, personally. He's either a total moron who thought that 1) The astronaut he replaced would somehow be fine on Mars forever, and 2)The Sequid wouldn't get him OR he's a completely callous sociopath cool with identity theft that didn't care about either of those things and just really wanted to get off Mars. There's a third possibility that he's a kid (less than 10 in Martian mental development years) and therefore couldn't truly understand the long term ramifications of his actions, but I doubt it. It would literally be the only twist that I would accept for his actions.
Behavior of an ignorant child is a solid speculation that would fit all angles of the point you made. I cannot comment any further because I read the comics.
My housemate and I are both in our mid-40's, and walking into our house looks like you've walked into a comic store... Represent your inner geek with pride!
Her reaction when Nolan walked out was so genuine and intense. The way she started breathing heavy and tearing up. Very heartfelt. These are the types of reactions we look for.
everyone reacts in a similar way when omniman appears. Some more shocked than others. Some more emotional than others. You are one of the few emotionals.
The only weird thing about taking Star Wars figurines to college is that someone might have been tempted to steal them. Otherwise you announced who you were - good for you.
The situation with Nolan must have really freaked the Viltrumites. Attacking Allen so soon after his report to the council means they're basically willing to risk confirming they've got a mole in the Coalition somewhere. And the fact they sent *3* Viltrumites to take a guy any one of them could of solo'd? Yeah, this is a big deal. That species must be wound tighter than any known spring in the universe if they're throwing this kind of power around.
The music at the end had such an effect on the experience. And when Nolan is revealed, the way the music embodies Mark’s world collapsing on him in front of our eyes. The people working on this show absolutely crush it, and you can tell they love it.
DISCLAIMER: I have not read the comics. I am show only. They way he spoke makes me think this is a trick. I think Nolan is showing "What the plan was". By bringing Mark to a perfect world with no strife or issues he has a bargaining chip to convince mark to help him do his work. This feels way to early into the season for Nolan to have a real change of heart. He may be wavering but I don't believe for even a second that this is genuine.
Debbie calling out Nolan for his lies for the 20 years of partnership, people support her wholeheartedly. When Amber calls out Mark for lying in their months long relationship, and people think she's an awful person. So clearly its either lying early in a relationship for months is okay compared to 20 years, or what is being lied about? Clearly not all lies are equal. Eve warned Mark about getting into a relationship with Amber only if he was serious. That obviously meant honesty was part of the deal. In a world of superheroes, of course she would figure it out and he clearly did not respect her. Mark was treating her like, something he wasn't serious about even though he might have loved her, like, something small, and not important, like...what's a word the fits....Nolan said it once. Or maybe Eve also just doesn't know what she's talking about and we forget she said that? How about William straight up calling Mark a shit boyfriend to his face? Do we hate William now or does the gay shield protect him? The hate Amber gets is the same exact thing I saw when Sansa was hated on Game of Thrones, like Skylar White on Breaking Bad. Haters love the protagonist so much there's no way they can be wrong ever. I've rewatched Invincible multiple times. I noticed Amber's caution with dishonesty, inconsistent behavior. She's careful and sometimes snarky with people that seem to have things to hide when shes still reading people. But you know what she loves and what makes her light up? Honesty. The scene in the University before the corpse bot attack where Mark straight up tells Amber he wants to be with her in that school, that's what she loves because Mark and sure and honest about his feelings and wanted Amber in his future with him. Mark continuing to lie about an important part of his life to his girlfriend of several months especially after an attack? Doesn't that seem selfish or Mark? Not enough people care to try empathy on characters unless they have enough screen time I guess, I just don't know anymore. But hey, if it's easier to hate rather than to get it, whatever helps yall with self inserting into this power fantasy.
Mark is the key to turning his father, much more than debbi. Based off the fact that every other world invincible joined his father, and conquered earth, very well meaning ours was the only one to rebel against his father
There's nothing funnier than "There are worlds where dogs and magic are as real as the air you breathe!" "We have dogs; dogs *are* real." "Well then, you're halfway to understanding!"
Think Angela, think. When this episode is all over, what will you have next week? You'll still have the next episode... To answer why this episode ended there.
Love this reaction. I love how you said you brought your Star Wars memorabilia with you to college while wearing a Star Wars shirt. Crazy that the traitor was voiced by the same guy who does Optimus Prime. I love Allen!!!
mark and amber remind me of a robot chicken skit where jimmy olsen and a very nervous clark kent are investigating the crime scene of the brutal and puzzling death of lois lane
Your comment around 17:10 makes me think of Critical Roles 2nd campaign and this quote from Cadaceus(played by Talieson Jaffe who played Percy in C1) "I think it has been a long time since anyone has pointed out to you that you are a fool. Pain doesn't make people; it's love that makes people. The pain is inconsequential; it's love that saves them. And you would know that, but you have none around you. You said so yourself, you surround yourself with lies and deceptions. And I wish for you in the future to find someone who will mourn you when you are gone. Respectfully." One of the best quotes to come from Tal, probably only beaten by "life needs things to live"
oh I know and i am already feeling very sorry for Mark he is going to get Beath up even more Badly in the next episode but he will also have a new sibling
Now it seems like nolan was hoping Mark was normal bc he knew his people would look down on him for having a kid. Like he was gonna take over earth after they died of natural causes, since it would just be a blink in time for Nolan. And he's probably gonna say that alien planet is an example of what earth could be, if they take over idk just a guess
Just hit me. Cecil had Mark get DarkWing for the same reason he sent a recording of the beasts roar down to R&D. Could be a good way to get rid of Mark and his dad one day.
I am actually not sure what I think about Allens "death". Part of me with Thadeus saying "Forgive me Allen" alongside the way he did believe in the "weakness". I wonder if Thadeus either faked Allens death to send him to Earth to protect Invincible or something. OR did it to prevent Viltrumites being able to harass him for the knowledge of Mark, I kinda feel Thadeus isn't the mole even if he seems like the chief subject, but potentially the Cecil of the Coalition. But we'll see.
So far there is absolutely no substantial proof that Thadeus is the mole. The only suspicious thing is the life-support scene which would not make sense if he was the mole considering the scenes before.
Dupli-Kate seems to get a pass from some regarding her betrayal to Eve. I don't think Kate deserves that pass. Kate did intercept Eve with intent to hide her shower fling with Rex. She knew she was betraying Eve, just as Rex did. Her explanation of relating to The Immortal does hold ground but she still came off pretty insensitive to Rex. Discussing Amber's concern with Mark - Nolan was able to procreate with Debbie and not kill her - indicating some level of restraint control. SIDENOTE TRIVIA: To answer the "Superman question" : Superman stories tend to give him restraint control over his ... um ... entire body's muscle response. This explains why he doesn't destroy the Earth with a sneeze, cough, fart, or bathroom break. This version of Superman once accidentally inhaled some magic dust and could feel an uncontrollable sneeze about to happen. He raced into an area of space with no nearby life. His sneeze went in the direction of a dead solar system and destroyed it.
I have not read the comics, so I have no idea where this is going. But my theory is, that Nolan/Omni Man brought Mark to that planet to show him what a civilization becomes after joining the Viltrum Empire. I could be very wrong. And maybe Omni Man has turned over a new leave because of his son. But my gut tells me I should doubt that.
Rudy/Robot wasn't afraid of going to movies, it was that his body was deformed (and kept a secret) and he lived in a giant tube before he got his new clone body. I guess he just never sent his "drone" (Robot) to a theater. I would have taken him for pizza before a burger, but that's me.
Never read the comics, so I'm just following along with the show. My theory is that Thaedus didn't kill Allen, but is faking is death in order to make the actual spy think he's been taken off of the table. We'll see what happens.
It’s funny right after the alien showed up and was like “I’m from 2 galaxies over” all I could think of was how did he know his real name and were to find him. he might have heard of invincible, but even Allen didn’t know his actual name
16:28 Omniman explained "The Great Purge" in the finale of season 1... though he didn't name it.... Basically, all of the Viltrumites killed each other until only the strongest remained....
Shapesmith, like "shapeshift" but with "smith" instead of "shift". Btw, we also saw King Lizard as Prince Lizard in the Atom Eve episode. I don't get the age gap thing. Is Abe supposed to stay single until he finds another thousands of years old partner? Shouldn't you be just as outraged about Debbie and Nolan then, since he's also hundreds if not thousands of years old already? Based on Kate's comment in the first season, they're all the real Kate, so I would think they all share the same consciousness. 12:03 "Want some? I got plenty." 14:05 Also very much The Boys territory. 16:35 You did already? Nolan literally told Mark about it in the last episode of season 1. 17:54 Tentacles > Noses 23:14 He was stuck in a tank. 24:24 Scar ripping noises intensify... I was sus about Allen's girlfriend in the beginning though. I thought she was in his apartment to maybe find more information about Nolan and Mark and then just used their relationship as a cover up. But after seeing her cry for him I guess she might now take up his mission for him instead if he's truly dead (I don't trust it when they cut away from such scenes). What I don't get is why he would task Allen to find an alleged mole if he was the mole himself, just to have him then killed shortly after as well? He could've just kept his mouth shut, but now Allen's girlfriend knows and will probably try to figure that one out by herself.
The narrator is Paul F. Tompkins, a very talented improv comedian who you've definitely heard/seen before (he's kind of one those "that guys!"). Also, I might be remembering this wrong, but Kevin Smith, I think, had an idea for a Superman story in which Lois gets pregnant and then dies when the baby kicks because it has super-strength. I don't think it ever got produced, but that would probably be the bigger concern than super-sperm!
I think dividing a season in 2 parts makes sense if you're doing a 24 episode season or so, like they used to do, but with only 8 episodes it makes no sense.
Unfortunately, it's one of those things that is done to drive viewer engagement. It's why no streaming service drops all their episodes at once anymore. They realized that when people see what they want, they stop watching or unsubscribe, so they slow the well of content down to keep you engaged longer. If they don't release the last 4 episodes until spring, then people will hang on the 4 episodes they get for months.
You have to remember that "Rudy" lived in a vat his entire life, as air burned his lungs. All his food would have been processed mush with nutritional value only.
I don't think age really matters much when your immortal. EVERYONE is wayyyy younger than you. It would be pretty lonely if you tried to find someone closer to your age. Plus the fact that they would be gone in the blink of an eye in your view, you'd probably want them pretty young to spend as much time with them as you can.
I have read the comic series over and over throughout the years and rarely does something from the show surprise me (except the train scene that wasn't in the comic) but seeing stuff in the show still gets me stoked. When Seance Dog( Science Dog in comics) showed up at the door my thoughts were "OH SH!T!!! Here we go!" It was surprising how quick it got to this point in the show. They seem to have accelerated the plot for the series. I dont think Mark was still even with Amber by this point in the comic. I wish they would accelerate that plot point quicker. Even though they changed her crappy attitude this season I still dont like her.
Oh yeah what's funny is we don't usually look up so two people or, I guess a magical dog and Viltrumite having a convo in the sky wouldn't really be noticed. We tend to focus on what's in front of us not what's above us.
After all that says about Amber, I was happy to know this episode Amber showed how understanding she’s actually become. Also you’re right lol. Not here for facts just your cool reactions. I know the facts already, so you’re good!
I suspect it's a fake Nolan, since the alien that brought Mark there could transform, and specifically chose a form that would make Mark lower his guard.
The simple fact of Mark being born and Debie being alive and well would suffice to prove that Viltrumite can mate safely with humans. As Rexplode would sarcastically say: "That's convenient" Mark asking to be called Invincible, it's a secret identity thing... So Mark, how the alien ant knew that Mark Grayson was a superhero, not knowing your superhero name and when there is only 6-7 peoples with that knowledge ? Think Mark ! think !
Emergency Awesome on his channel reviewed this episode and said Allen's healing power works the best when his vitals are at its lowest (or something like that). Basically, Thadeus knows that and is actually allowing him to heal quicker. I don't get then why would he say "Forgive me, Allen" at the end, or it's just a complete feint for the audience.
Her excitement to see Allen was like watching the worlds slowest car crash.
The Allen title card got more hype than anything I've seen in a long, long time!
It's so good tho, they baited us perfectly to think it was gonna be the usual Invincible title card, and the music was on point
Allen is such a g, RIP king
"How is no one noticing this?" In the comic he mentions that one of the first thing he noticed about Amber was that she is one of the only people that actually does look up.
She just so happened to look up at Mark and Eve (slightly proving Eve wrong) right after Eve said that regular people don't look up. Mark just said "never".
That is a common one used for a lot of things but the reality is you don't need to look up unless the thing is effectively right above you as you see a ton of the sky in your peripheral. Of course the answer is really 'because it is tv show/story telling logic where things we don't want to happen don't happen.".
I mean, it's a world where superheros, super tech, and super phenomena are a thing.
"Something flying about in the sky", as long as it doesn't shoot laser beams out of it's ass and doesn't leave a giant crater next to anyone, would be dismissed as "Eh... maybe a new model of patrol ship"
.... I mean, do *YOU* look up to every helicopter or banner plane that flies by?
@@bcn1gh7h4wk yea. I have almost 30 years and i will go out of the house to look at helicopter/plane :D it is still "wow" or "I hear you, where are you??"
Nolan talked about the Great Purge briefly to Mark in the first season finale where the Viltrumites took out half their population to leave only the strong among them.
Oh that’s right! Thadeus said it so I immediately thought it was a different thing.
@@funnylilgalreacts Nolan never gave that event he discussed a title, but from what he told Mark and what Thadeus said, I piece it together from that.
The Great Purge happened because of Thadeus he killed Emperor Argall and all the Viltrumites thought he was weak for caring about the rest of the Universe so they started killing All sympathetic weak Viltrumites until only the Ruthless ones Remained @@funnylilgalreacts
@@dwnkaomwn3953I’ve read the comics- you’re right. There have been multiple mass Viltrumite deaths but the Purge was the one where they turned on each other.
I think the key thing that Cecil misses, is that it's the ability to have genuine connections with humans that kept Mark from turning out like his dad. Even knowing he's going to outlive them all by millennia, Mark loves the humans in his life, and THAT keeps him tied to the fate of humanity.
It's very similar to Aang in ATLA - absolute power is a corrupting influence, and while Aang has his past lives to inform him and balance him, it's his connection to "normal" people that keeps him from seeing himself as above them.
Cecil should WANT Mark to have human connections, but after the life HE has led, I'm not sure he can see things that way anymore.
I think Cecil is actually very much aware of that. In the first episode he briefly talked to Mark about going to college with Amber, and he's been trying (not always successfully) to make sure Debbie is taken care of. I think Cecil's concern after the Atlantis incident and now Invincible leaving for Thraxa is that Mark's empathy extends BEYOND humans - and that makes him distracted and vulnerable to influence. I think Cecil is worried about Mark's heart growing too big.
Yeah, Cecil isn't really missing anything. It's just that the singular thing he cares about is keeping Earth safe. That means his humanity only extends to the point where those two things intersect. He will do anything in his power to protect Earth from threats, anything. Including using Mark or in the worst case scenario having to eliminate him (or at least attempt to).
@@fredwinexactly, Cecil just doesn’t want mark to go off world by himself, people forget that mark’s mom JUST came and bitched him out and told him to keep him safe.
He took those things to heart you can tell with the way he speaks to Debbie.
No, what's kept Mark from turning out like his dad is his age. Yes, DNA-wise, Mark might be 90% Viltrumite, but his mind is still 100% human. He thinks in human terms. He might know that he's going to outlive his friends, but he doesn't understand it. He can't - not until it starts happening. It's not until then that his human connections will become the thing that keeps him from treating people like ants.
@@Tantalus010 You'll see.
'the last time you didn't want to help someone we both regretted it'
Damn that's the absolute best way to phrase that
"Allen! Yes! I'm so happy!"
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The sad thing about Rex is that you can see he’s kind of trying, but that’s how cataclysmically bad he is at social graces. Lol
The thing with Kate is that it's one mind perceiving the world through many bodies with many brains. If she creates nine duplicates, and therefore has ten of herself running around for a year, she's experienced the same year from ten different viewpoints. Chronologically, she's therefore aged one year. EXPERIENTIALLY she's experienced ten years worth of different perspectives. She might be biologically a teenager, but experientially have centuries under her belt due to parallel living, depending on how many bodies she's splintered off.
It's weird to me that in the gym scene, only one of her was working out, while the other 3 or 4 just stood around. Dude... 1 - bis/tris, 2 - chest/back, 3 - core, 4 - cardio, 5 - legs
Get 5 workouts in one day and just *kill* it.
It’s insane to hear Theseus is voiced by Peter Cullen AKA Optimus Prime himself. 16:29
The last ending is a surprise moment.
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It may seem like she's redeeming herself, and she is so far, but i think it's mostly because of the criticism of how they handled her in the previous season, and going back to how the comics handled it. For the sake of the show's continuity, I'll say that the fight between Invincible and Omniman gave her a wakeup call on how dangerous what he does really is as she saw the brutality of that fight as it was happening right after she broke up with him.
Ber didn't need to redeem herself, morons like you needed to get a clue and recognize she was right to be pissed at Mark for making her have to figure out his identity was the reason her abandoned her herself instead of just telling her.
Kirkman has admitted that her saying she knew about him being a hero was a mistake they made.
@@wwfnbafan I know, but I'm staying within the canon of the show to explain the change in characterisation
This is a reasonable 'retcon' or adjustment. I mean, if you think that 'oh, Mark is actually some superhero beating up the Lizard League' you might get really salty about the lies and bullshit.
Then watching him get absolutely pulped by his super dad... first, that's a traumatic experience for everyone on the planet. But it's going to reeeeally make you reassess things.
@@wtimminsyou actually get it. Thank you.
Love how enthusiastic you are about seeing Allen get freaky with the Tentacle lady.
I loved this episode, especially the focus on Allen. I know in my heart this can't be the end of Allen. They implied he's been beaten by a Viltrumite before, and we know they never go easy on an opponent. Got the song that plays at the start of his episode, and I'll be listening to it on repeat.
oh he'll be back muahahaha
Let's just say he's gonna have a major glow up hehehe
In the 1970s, Science Fiction author Larry Niven wrote a humorous essay called "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" in which he discussed - sometimes in gruesome detail - some of the issues that might result from Superman having sex with a human woman. The conversation Amber and Mark have definitely seems to be a nod to that.
😂😂😂😂😂bruh tf? That's funny as hell. I'd never heard of this.
That said, Debbie is alive and (physically) well, so at least they know he won't accidentally injure or kill Amber... and as we saw in season one Mark's seen and heard enough to be aware that his mother certainly seemed to enjoy her intimate moments with Nolan, so Amber _should_ be fine.
(Also, both his parents seem to be the kind that'd've told him if there was any particular precaution - other than the usual - he should take.)
I think one thing that this question misses, is that evolution generally doesn't make all things stronger. There's no reason at all for semen to move at dangerous speeds, or for the muscles propelling it to be super-strong. The distance they have to travel, as far as we know, is no different for superhumans/viltrumites. VOLUME might be different (and corresponding organs larger or smaller, like in apes), but there's no reason for velocities that would harm a human, given the bizarre fact of reproductive compatibility. I get that the Superman trope is centered around "what if human but stronger in every way", but given that Viltrumites can punch through each other, it's clear that having weapon-strength ejaculation would probably be detrimental to THEM as well.
The "will you get carried away and crush me" thing makes sense, though
@@abedrayton6398 _"There's no reason at all for semen to move at dangerous speeds, or for the muscles propelling it to be super-strong."_
I mean, _ducks_ exist... male ducks and female ducks are trapped in a genital weapon race, with penises corkscrewing and growing longer to ensure conception, and vaginas corkscrewing _in the opposite direction_ and becoming labyrinthine and full of dead ends to give females a chance to choose which male will actually succeed... also cats, with spikes in their penises literally intended to cause pain (it apparently causes female cats to ovulate), and several species of beetles with literally _weaponised_ genitalia, intended to make it _physically impossible_ for the female to breed with other males, or to _pierce_ through the female abdomen into her reproductive organs...
That is to say, Viltrumites being Viltrumites, them having evolved weaponised genitals to pierce through the opposite gender's defences was not out of the question. Of course, Debbie having survived Nolan physically unscathed shows that that isn't the case, but still, it _is_ a fair question, and something to be worried about, before mating with an alien.
Yes! Glad someone else knew this. :) The collection it appears in has a lot of great what if notions.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Steel,_Woman_of_Kleenex
Watching your reaction made me realize that the “Great Purge” that is mentioned is probably what Omniman talked about on the last episode of last season. How his people killed the weak of their species to become stronger…
that is why he tried to Kill Allen he Thought he was Weak he is still A Viltrumite who believes in most of the Evil Custom not Conquare other worlds but he believes that the Weak deserve nothing but Death and the Strong can Rape the Weak and many more Customs
It is, you got that right
Want to give them props for the Rex and Kate convo, because it showed more of them as characters. Rex showing he cares despite his tendency to say the wrong things is a good thing for us to see. Kate hasn't been my favorite character but it's nice to get to understand her. Loved so much about this episode, but wanted to give a not big moment some props!
We all need an Allen plushie to snuggle at bedtime with . . . Well, an Allen plushie for any time of the day 😍
Fan of the comic here, don't worry, i'm not here to spoil a thing. just here to say that the Allen segment is an adaptation of an issue of Invincible that was totally about Allen, kind of a "Allen's own issue" kinda thing. And just for fun, that issue had a goofy narrator. So it was pretty great to see they decided to keep the goofy Narrator bit for the show.
"Never apologize for saving lives" is a funny line coming from Amber who once dumped Mark for saving lives.
This is far more than just character maturation happening. It is a complete change in core character behavior. She is acting much more like the supportive comic book Amber now. I have to wonder if the scriptwriters took heed of the constructive criticism they earned from S1 Amber.
@@dunringill1747Robert Kirkman said her saying she knew was a mistake they made.
@@wwfnbafan That's a good start. From a writers perspective - that was far from the only mistake the scriptwriters made. It was their most blunt mistake.
Makes sense from a PR perspective that Kirkman wants to not publicize the other errors. I hope he can make the proper improvements / adjustments.
As mentioned, definitely a writing shift. But it's not an unreasonable change in outlook given all the heavy shit that ended up happening.
Plus, again, they are teens. Teens can heel turn about all sorts of things.
For lying to her for months*
You'd think it wouldn't take years to figure out was said...
I absolutely love how they wrote Debbie and how Sandra is voice acting her. One of my favorite characters in animation.
"What is this card?" On one side was a phone number, but on the other it showed the Morse code for "S.O.S." which, in addition to the traditional meaning of "call for help," (pun intended) in this context also stands for "Spouses Of Superheroes."
I noticed that when they first showed it but I haven’t seen anyone else mention it until now.
U r too good nd pure hearted for this world
"would drugs even work on me ?"
"i don’t know, try it" 😂😂🙈
I’m a new subscriber. However not the first reaction I’ve run across from @funnylilgalreacts. Her reaction to the Wakanda Forever trailer got my attention. I went back and watched other reactions, and after Season 2 episode 1, I was on board. Love the honesty, and genuine emotion!!
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The great purge was shown in season 1, when viltrimite fought each other to kill off 50% of their species, so only the strong would be left.
and then Theadus with the help of some scientists created the Screage Virus to kill the rest of the villtrumites it killed about 99.99 percent of them and only 50 pure blooded Viltrumites remained
Not sure why anyone would like the Shapesmith, personally. He's either a total moron who thought that 1) The astronaut he replaced would somehow be fine on Mars forever, and 2)The Sequid wouldn't get him OR he's a completely callous sociopath cool with identity theft that didn't care about either of those things and just really wanted to get off Mars.
There's a third possibility that he's a kid (less than 10 in Martian mental development years) and therefore couldn't truly understand the long term ramifications of his actions, but I doubt it. It would literally be the only twist that I would accept for his actions.
Behavior of an ignorant child is a solid speculation that would fit all angles of the point you made. I cannot comment any further because I read the comics.
Why would they end it there? Well, to torment you. This is the way.
My housemate and I are both in our mid-40's, and walking into our house looks like you've walked into a comic store... Represent your inner geek with pride!
Her reaction when Nolan walked out was so genuine and intense. The way she started breathing heavy and tearing up. Very heartfelt. These are the types of reactions we look for.
“AUTOBOTS! ROLL OUT!” Is all I could hear whenever Thaedus was talking
everyone reacts in a similar way when omniman appears. Some more shocked than others. Some more emotional than others. You are one of the few emotionals.
The only weird thing about taking Star Wars figurines to college is that someone might have been tempted to steal them. Otherwise you announced who you were - good for you.
Can't believe Princess Azula voices Monster Girl I just found that out!!!!!!
The situation with Nolan must have really freaked the Viltrumites. Attacking Allen so soon after his report to the council means they're basically willing to risk confirming they've got a mole in the Coalition somewhere.
And the fact they sent *3* Viltrumites to take a guy any one of them could of solo'd? Yeah, this is a big deal. That species must be wound tighter than any known spring in the universe if they're throwing this kind of power around.
The music at the end had such an effect on the experience. And when Nolan is revealed, the way the music embodies Mark’s world collapsing on him in front of our eyes. The people working on this show absolutely crush it, and you can tell they love it.
It's Optimus. Thaedus is Peter Cullen, Optimus Prime. From the old school 80s cartoon AND the modern movies.
It's funny how once you realize it, you can't NOT hear Optimus Prime, lol.
What a legend next to Kevin conroy
DISCLAIMER: I have not read the comics. I am show only.
They way he spoke makes me think this is a trick. I think Nolan is showing "What the plan was". By bringing Mark to a perfect world with no strife or issues he has a bargaining chip to convince mark to help him do his work. This feels way to early into the season for Nolan to have a real change of heart. He may be wavering but I don't believe for even a second that this is genuine.
That's a good speculation. I cannot comment any further on this. I've read the comics.
Olga gave Mark's mom a business card, one side had the phone#, and the other side had Morse code on it, with dots and dashes saying SOS.
Debbie calling out Nolan for his lies for the 20 years of partnership, people support her wholeheartedly. When Amber calls out Mark for lying in their months long relationship, and people think she's an awful person. So clearly its either lying early in a relationship for months is okay compared to 20 years, or what is being lied about? Clearly not all lies are equal.
Eve warned Mark about getting into a relationship with Amber only if he was serious. That obviously meant honesty was part of the deal. In a world of superheroes, of course she would figure it out and he clearly did not respect her. Mark was treating her like, something he wasn't serious about even though he might have loved her, like, something small, and not important, like...what's a word the fits....Nolan said it once.
Or maybe Eve also just doesn't know what she's talking about and we forget she said that? How about William straight up calling Mark a shit boyfriend to his face? Do we hate William now or does the gay shield protect him?
The hate Amber gets is the same exact thing I saw when Sansa was hated on Game of Thrones, like Skylar White on Breaking Bad. Haters love the protagonist so much there's no way they can be wrong ever.
I've rewatched Invincible multiple times. I noticed Amber's caution with dishonesty, inconsistent behavior. She's careful and sometimes snarky with people that seem to have things to hide when shes still reading people. But you know what she loves and what makes her light up? Honesty. The scene in the University before the corpse bot attack where Mark straight up tells Amber he wants to be with her in that school, that's what she loves because Mark and sure and honest about his feelings and wanted Amber in his future with him. Mark continuing to lie about an important part of his life to his girlfriend of several months especially after an attack? Doesn't that seem selfish or Mark?
Not enough people care to try empathy on characters unless they have enough screen time I guess, I just don't know anymore. But hey, if it's easier to hate rather than to get it, whatever helps yall with self inserting into this power fantasy.
Mark is the key to turning his father, much more than debbi. Based off the fact that every other world invincible joined his father, and conquered earth, very well meaning ours was the only one to rebel against his father
I think he didn’t join his dad because of Debbie’s influence
There's nothing funnier than
"There are worlds where dogs and magic are as real as the air you breathe!"
"We have dogs; dogs *are* real."
"Well then, you're halfway to understanding!"
For me, Invincible is my cocaine . . . Invincible with Allen!, cocaine springled over my favorite ice-cream.
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12:38 _"Oh, Magnum Pi?"_
*Magnum P. I.,* as in "private investigator." The show that put *Tom Selleck* on the map, as it were. Huge in the 80's.
THAT WAS PAUL F TOMPKINS!?!?!? I can't believe that, I didn't recognize his voice at all. What a legend.
Think Angela, think. When this episode is all over, what will you have next week?
You'll still have the next episode...
To answer why this episode ended there.
Other reaction channels " ooh Allen" this channel "did that cat have two buttholes" 🤔this is why I come here and love it
i lost my mind when I heard Thaedus! Literally Optimus Prime, Peter Cullen!
Love this reaction. I love how you said you brought your Star Wars memorabilia with you to college while wearing a Star Wars shirt. Crazy that the traitor was voiced by the same guy who does Optimus Prime. I love Allen!!!
"Coalition of planets, ROLL OUT!"
This is the happiest reaction to the Allen title card
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had some Star Wars stuff in their dorm lol
mark and amber remind me of a robot chicken skit where jimmy olsen and a very nervous clark kent are investigating the crime scene of the brutal and puzzling death of lois lane
goddamn that one eyed badass better not be dead!..
Your comment around 17:10 makes me think of Critical Roles 2nd campaign and this quote from Cadaceus(played by Talieson Jaffe who played Percy in C1)
"I think it has been a long time since anyone has pointed out to you that you are a fool. Pain doesn't make people; it's love that makes people. The pain is inconsequential; it's love that saves them. And you would know that, but you have none around you. You said so yourself, you surround yourself with lies and deceptions. And I wish for you in the future to find someone who will mourn you when you are gone. Respectfully."
One of the best quotes to come from Tal, probably only beaten by "life needs things to live"
I had the same reaction you had when I read the name
Not this man losing cell reception 200 feet above the ground. The writers know there's buildings like 5 times as high as he was there right?
This show is nailing the tone of the book so much. Great episode. Great reactions!
The mid season finale is gonna be WILD! If you read the comics, you know 😅
oh I know and i am already feeling very sorry for Mark he is going to get Beath up even more Badly in the next episode but he will also have a new sibling
Now it seems like nolan was hoping Mark was normal bc he knew his people would look down on him for having a kid. Like he was gonna take over earth after they died of natural causes, since it would just be a blink in time for Nolan. And he's probably gonna say that alien planet is an example of what earth could be, if they take over idk just a guess
Just hit me. Cecil had Mark get DarkWing for the same reason he sent a recording of the beasts roar down to R&D. Could be a good way to get rid of Mark and his dad one day.
I am actually not sure what I think about Allens "death". Part of me with Thadeus saying "Forgive me Allen" alongside the way he did believe in the "weakness". I wonder if Thadeus either faked Allens death to send him to Earth to protect Invincible or something. OR did it to prevent Viltrumites being able to harass him for the knowledge of Mark, I kinda feel Thadeus isn't the mole even if he seems like the chief subject, but potentially the Cecil of the Coalition. But we'll see.
The great Purge is when the viltrumites cut their population in half, the truth bomb from episode 8 of season 1
"Sometimes, to change the universe, you have to be Allen" has very similar energy to "I am Kenough" and I'm so here for it.
So far there is absolutely no substantial proof that Thadeus is the mole.
The only suspicious thing is the life-support scene which would not make sense if he was the mole considering the scenes before.
This was a good episode. It was kind of all over the place, but the payoff was great.
Phenomenal episode
I'm very excited for when all this "random" stuff connects.
@@firecat4529 The payoff is worth it.
@@Arthezius I know ;)
Dupli-Kate seems to get a pass from some regarding her betrayal to Eve. I don't think Kate deserves that pass. Kate did intercept Eve with intent to hide her shower fling with Rex. She knew she was betraying Eve, just as Rex did. Her explanation of relating to The Immortal does hold ground but she still came off pretty insensitive to Rex.
Discussing Amber's concern with Mark - Nolan was able to procreate with Debbie and not kill her - indicating some level of restraint control.
SIDENOTE TRIVIA: To answer the "Superman question" : Superman stories tend to give him restraint control over his ... um ... entire body's muscle response. This explains why he doesn't destroy the Earth with a sneeze, cough, fart, or bathroom break. This version of Superman once accidentally inhaled some magic dust and could feel an uncontrollable sneeze about to happen. He raced into an area of space with no nearby life. His sneeze went in the direction of a dead solar system and destroyed it.
I love your joy of Allen
I have not read the comics, so I have no idea where this is going. But my theory is, that Nolan/Omni Man brought Mark to that planet to show him what a civilization becomes after joining the Viltrum Empire.
I could be very wrong. And maybe Omni Man has turned over a new leave because of his son. But my gut tells me I should doubt that.
Rudy/Robot wasn't afraid of going to movies, it was that his body was deformed (and kept a secret) and he lived in a giant tube before he got his new clone body. I guess he just never sent his "drone" (Robot) to a theater. I would have taken him for pizza before a burger, but that's me.
Never read the comics, so I'm just following along with the show. My theory is that Thaedus didn't kill Allen, but is faking is death in order to make the actual spy think he's been taken off of the table. We'll see what happens.
also that beardy guy sounds like Optimus Prime
It’s funny right after the alien showed up and was like “I’m from 2 galaxies over” all I could think of was how did he know his real name and were to find him. he might have heard of invincible, but even Allen didn’t know his actual name
Allen was such a great character, I already miss him so much
Not William with the feng shui 🤣
16:28 Omniman explained "The Great Purge" in the finale of season 1... though he didn't name it....
Basically, all of the Viltrumites killed each other until only the strongest remained....
Shapesmith, like "shapeshift" but with "smith" instead of "shift". Btw, we also saw King Lizard as Prince Lizard in the Atom Eve episode.
I don't get the age gap thing. Is Abe supposed to stay single until he finds another thousands of years old partner? Shouldn't you be just as outraged about Debbie and Nolan then, since he's also hundreds if not thousands of years old already? Based on Kate's comment in the first season, they're all the real Kate, so I would think they all share the same consciousness.
12:03 "Want some? I got plenty."
14:05 Also very much The Boys territory.
16:35 You did already? Nolan literally told Mark about it in the last episode of season 1.
17:54 Tentacles > Noses
23:14 He was stuck in a tank.
24:24 Scar ripping noises intensify...
I was sus about Allen's girlfriend in the beginning though. I thought she was in his apartment to maybe find more information about Nolan and Mark and then just used their relationship as a cover up. But after seeing her cry for him I guess she might now take up his mission for him instead if he's truly dead (I don't trust it when they cut away from such scenes). What I don't get is why he would task Allen to find an alleged mole if he was the mole himself, just to have him then killed shortly after as well? He could've just kept his mouth shut, but now Allen's girlfriend knows and will probably try to figure that one out by herself.
Thaedus's voice is Peter Cullen, the guy that did Optimus Prime's voice in the Transformers...
The narrator is Paul F. Tompkins, a very talented improv comedian who you've definitely heard/seen before (he's kind of one those "that guys!"). Also, I might be remembering this wrong, but Kevin Smith, I think, had an idea for a Superman story in which Lois gets pregnant and then dies when the baby kicks because it has super-strength. I don't think it ever got produced, but that would probably be the bigger concern than super-sperm!
Duplicate is actually in her early 20's and Abe Lincoln stopped aging on his thirties but i get where youre coming from
I think dividing a season in 2 parts makes sense if you're doing a 24 episode season or so, like they used to do, but with only 8 episodes it makes no sense.
Unfortunately, it's one of those things that is done to drive viewer engagement. It's why no streaming service drops all their episodes at once anymore. They realized that when people see what they want, they stop watching or unsubscribe, so they slow the well of content down to keep you engaged longer. If they don't release the last 4 episodes until spring, then people will hang on the 4 episodes they get for months.
I wasn't expecting Peter Cullen's voice in this show, but that is always welcomed.
I'm a bit surprised you didn't recognize Thaedus's voice as being Peter Cullen, because it seems to be EXACTLY his Optimus Prime voice.
You have to remember that "Rudy" lived in a vat his entire life, as air burned his lungs. All his food would have been processed mush with nutritional value only.
I don't think age really matters much when your immortal. EVERYONE is wayyyy younger than you. It would be pretty lonely if you tried to find someone closer to your age. Plus the fact that they would be gone in the blink of an eye in your view, you'd probably want them pretty young to spend as much time with them as you can.
Cecil, Debbie, and Eve are the main characters of this show for me lol
Thaedus sounds like Optimus Prime
I have read the comic series over and over throughout the years and rarely does something from the show surprise me (except the train scene that wasn't in the comic) but seeing stuff in the show still gets me stoked. When Seance Dog( Science Dog in comics) showed up at the door my thoughts were "OH SH!T!!! Here we go!" It was surprising how quick it got to this point in the show. They seem to have accelerated the plot for the series. I dont think Mark was still even with Amber by this point in the comic. I wish they would accelerate that plot point quicker. Even though they changed her crappy attitude this season I still dont like her.
Thanes's voice actor is the guy that does Optimus Prime's voice in Transformers.
Actually Nolan was following orders when he murdered the guardians. If Nolan disobeyed orders tge guardians would have lived
Oh yeah what's funny is we don't usually look up so two people or, I guess a magical dog and Viltrumite having a convo in the sky wouldn't really be noticed. We tend to focus on what's in front of us not what's above us.
Steve Yuen has been getting put through the ringer by Kirkman for years. First Negen now this?!
After all that says about Amber, I was happy to know this episode Amber showed how understanding she’s actually become. Also you’re right lol. Not here for facts just your cool reactions. I know the facts already, so you’re good!
Mark has not to stop believing strangers when they tell him stories
I suspect it's a fake Nolan, since the alien that brought Mark there could transform, and specifically chose a form that would make Mark lower his guard.
The simple fact of Mark being born and Debie being alive and well would suffice to prove that Viltrumite can mate safely with humans.
As Rexplode would sarcastically say: "That's convenient"
Mark asking to be called Invincible, it's a secret identity thing...
So Mark, how the alien ant knew that Mark Grayson was a superhero, not knowing your superhero name and when there is only 6-7 peoples with that knowledge ?
Think Mark ! think !
Also I wonder why rudie would wear the robot suit putting himself in danger instead of controlling it from afar like he always did
Theadus is the Leader of the Coalition of Planets and the true name of the Planet is Talescria
Well, there's one advantage to being brutally injured in space. No chance of infection.
Transform and roll out, it's cool that they got Peter Cullen for Theadus
Emergency Awesome on his channel reviewed this episode and said Allen's healing power works the best when his vitals are at its lowest (or something like that). Basically, Thadeus knows that and is actually allowing him to heal quicker. I don't get then why would he say "Forgive me, Allen" at the end, or it's just a complete feint for the audience.
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