Can we just talk about how, amazing Mina’s content is?? It just doesn’t talk about fashion as an aesthetic. She has tons of resources and she discusses how fashion was impacted by social, historical, and cultural changes. Her videos are so well informed. This is rly why she’s my favorite ~fashion~ channel. Mina, if you see this. Ily!!!! You’re doing god’s work.
she is so amazing. So great at what she does, and honestly one of the only young women I know who does her research and production so well in my opinion
I am a gym rat who doesn't wear dresses of any kind but Mina's content is fabulous. As an art history and cultural studies major, I love the effort put into contextualizing trend cycles. Amazing.
I feel people also need to understand that Mina is talking about MAINSTREAM fashion. If you still want to rock cottagecore go for it, if you want to shave off all your hair and go full punk, go for it. Just because the normal folk have been herded in to a new box, doesn't mean you have to follow. As long as you aren't oppressing or hurting people, do what makes you happy.
I would like to add do it cause YOU want to. Some people will for example be goth just because they think goth is not popular. They don't actually want to be goth because they like goth but to be "not like other girls". I Rember saying my fav color was "black" simply because of other people thinking it would be too girly and immature, and too unoriginal if I told the truth and said it was "pink". You get it? don't do goth cause it's "not like other people" do it because of you. This also goes for other styles not just goth and girly princess styles.
@@littlemixstraykidsanddojac7769 will also that alternative doesn't always mean goth, emo, punk, dark clothes. There are plenty of alternative fashion that feature pink which are more in the j fashion side. Also yes, pink is my favorite color too (well I used to say blue and I still like blue but pink is the color I wear the most). Otherwise yeah I agree with you. Honestly I'm wondering if I'm fitting myself into a box bc I used to like kawaii fashion. I know I don't like main stream fashion that much but idk what my fashion style would be
I know I'm late to the party but I want to add one more thing - There is no rule you need to be "something". Want to dress in all black today and in frilly pink dress tomorrow? That's also totally ok! Athleisure one time, professional attire another? Why not! Don't force yourself into any box you are not comfortable in.
proud of the vintage fashion youtube community for berating hollywood for giving corsets a bad name SO MUCH that corsets end up being trendy for the first time in decades
YES! I went from thinking "Ugh its restrictive and uncomfortable" to "...i was wrong" in minutes after discovering the community. I still don't think corsets look all that nice, but I really hate the misinformation about them more.
yes but it's so true and her cottage core was the same problem as it is today : privileged white pretty people running around a meadow in their white cotton dress while the rural workers are like : -_-^
I went to her gardens in France, and legit she created a whole cottage core mini town for herself to live in. She was definitely one of the biggest cottage core people I've ever heard about.
I love that women were shamed for their natural bodies while simultaneously called vain for adhering to beauty standards.... oh did I say 'were', I meant are :/ we literally can't win
an old quote from Kesha that hangs on my wall right this minute "it is the height of irony that women are valued for our looks, encouraged to make ourselves beautiful amd ornamental... and then derided as shallow and vain for doing so"
This society literally just hates women 😭😭😭 there’s no wrong or right way to look or have a body if there was then there wouldn’t be so many drastic body trend changes over the years. People just love sexualizing and criticizing everything about women and it’s been going on for too long. One day I just decided I didnt care anymore about these made up standards and I’ve been happy with myself ever since :^)
Idk what circles you live in but I don't get shamed for following or not following beauty standards...except by other women :/ I've never had a boy make fun of me in school nor a man point out my fashion (save for things like "you have a stain here" or something). The only people who ever really outed anything about my fashion sense were my mom and sister
@@lunaredelvour2972 ur exclusive experience with women does not exclude the thousands of women shamed by men as well. If you’re on TH-cam I’m guessing you have social media. You’d have to be a time traveler from 10 BC to not understand the societal norms pushed onto women
@@lunaredelvour2972 in plain terms: men be doing the same thing if not more bc that’s who markets products most of the time. Yet half of them cant wipe their ass properly
One of the weirdest things about Bridgerton was the fact that the characters used these extremely tight corsets and they ended up covering them with dresses that wouldn't highlight their waists whatsoever.🥴
same here, along with pop music. listening to what genres are big or what songs are big and why has so much to do with everything else in the world, and it's so interesting to me.
that's why when i hear people say they don't participate in fashion, or they don't care about fashion, or just that fashion in general is stupid, i can't help but to think, "you really have no idea, don't you." there's a lot of problematic stuff going on in fashion industry and fashion trends, and anyone can absolutely opt out of those two. (to some extent, at least, in regards to the industry.) but you can't "opt out" of fashion. if yer part of society, yer participating in fashion by default.
@@mophead_xuyou wouldn’t be saying that if you knew my teenage self. 😂 Just because we’re part of the same culture doesn’t mean we all participate in popular clothing trends or that we want to.
I have chronic pain & fatigue, arthritis centered in my spine, and scoliosis. I’ve honestly never felt better than in a corset, it allows me to stay upright without feeling the pain of holding good posture for that long and allows me to not wear a bra because those hurt so much. It’s also such a calming pressure throughout the day. I can’t believe how much hate corsets get because anyone who’s worn a proper one would know how supportive and amazing they are!
It's nice to see that ppl with different needs can benefit and have access to these type articles if clothing. I feel there are so many underlying benefits to wearing a cherry that many ppl tend to overlook.
its kinda off topic but who else loves that 60s/70s trends are coming back? I feel like the 2020s will be a wild and very fun time for fashion and all about revivals from the whole 20th century and a wider individuality
I’m glad you love them. I know the 70s had some gorgeous trends, particularly in nightwear but I hate the color palette. It’s so muted and if you’re very cool toned it just looks so blah. Plus all the “natural” brown makeup that’s assumed to suit everyone, hence why it’s nicknamed “natural” or “nude” but for a lot of people the K-Beauty look of pure pigments and skin emphasis is actually their “natural” to their skin requiring pure pigments. I actually wish we went with something more dramatic and structured in fashion, like 1930s-1940s level of clothing and glamour. Less focus on variety of clothing and more on fit, construction, accessories and colors. The bad about the styles from these decades is that they’re not exactly bigger body friendly. Or at least something else entirely tbh as opposed to depending on nostalgia to sell clothes. I’m glad femininity and glamour is slowly coming back in after 20-40 years of casual sportswear. The milkmaid thing is here to stay I’m noting as well as overall more body conscious and womanly silhouettes or going very androgynous.
When I briefly spoke to my mom about modern trends she became extremely happy - and that’s how I found out that when I was yet a smol-bean-of-a-hooman she was into 70s fashion, and was mixing it up with trends of the time (late 90 - early 00, yup). Never thought that I could make this nerdy bio-mathematician so excited about fashion, but she is LIVING for it now)
@@anamarte7547 I've actually seen some vintage ads for the 40s that showcase larger womem and they look quite nice! The 1930s definitely aren't as friendly towards fat bodies- the style was very much trying to make a woman like a slender column
"It is just ridiculous to expect women to just be able to hop onto these trends when its their literal bodies that they are genetically given." Spoken so beautifully, this is so true.
That's my main reason for watching. I love her voice, and it's good for background while working. It just helps that the topics are something I'm somewhat interested in.
so true. and stretch marks - so many people (myself included) got them because their body decided to yeet into puberty and grow faster than their skin could keep up and now people are like 'iTs BeCaUsE wEiGhT gAiN' no Deborah it's because puberty.
My sister is a professional costume designer and everytime we watch history inspired shows together she's screaming at how historically inaccurate some costumes are in the most recent Netflix series ahah
THE FRINGE 🤩 THE SPARKLES. I totally get you! I love the the costumes and stage dressing of Ertè and how dramatic and luxurious it looks, but i love voluminous big skirts too. I need both to be in fashion tbh.
I love looking at it. But nor I have the money or live in a country that would be easy to get them or acceptable to wear it the way I would like to wear them :(
Ahh I wish you and Karolina Żebrowska would do a collab video, especially around themes like how some historical fashion trends and everyday clothing has been misrepresented or overly generalised in the current day. Or just anything, we need a mash-up with you two!
I would love to see videos of you analyzing these trendy aesthetics like cottage core, regency core, dark/light academia, etc. There is a lot to discuss (style inspirations, history and why they came to be so popular, and, ofc, the issues around most - if not all - of these aesthetics being extremely... white).
I feel like a majority of these aesthetics sprung up due to mood boards (Pinterest) and TikTok but it’s really hard to see people wearing these type of outfits in real life.
@@eurydice7086 I beg to differ. I think the outfits shown in many of these moodboards are actually easy to reproduce, specially in cottagecore and academia (but if not, it's always possible to wear something "trendy aesthetic inspired"). It's exactly why these things are seen on TikTok. And the influence of social media in trends is actually really strong to not see the possible impact of the popularity of these specific styles in the long-run.
I'm pretty sure these aesthetics are predominantly white because they stem from historical European fashion / aesthetics. Europe is where white people are from 😮
@@user-zw8uc4rm1m Of course that's the reason, and it's exactly why maintaining these references as predominantly white just perpetuates all that is harmful about the Eurocentric view.
Just because that's the context of aesthetic fashion doesn't mean that those who wear it are perpetuating toxic stereotypes. Everyone can wear whatever they'd like to wear. Even if I'm wearing a princess dress - that doesn't mean I support monarchy. Maybe people just like the clothes in and of themselves. No one's stopping people from creating mood boards with fashion from marginalized groups and those styles becoming popular. Personally I'd welcome it! Not in a cultural appropriation way, but as in normalizing non-white fashion in the mainstream.
Sadly it is coming back, but thanks to body positivity and a curvier shape going "trendy" it gets topped with the thong strings trend and gives a nice shape even if one has muffin tops
@@MagieUrisha I mean, thongs were all en vogue then too, but we just got slut shamed about whale tails at the time, so expect some obnoxious backlash if you choose to follow the revival of the low rise jeans. I guess I should just hope that the low rise jeans makes buying thongs easier again because the last 5 or so years pickin's been sparse.
with the revival of "y2k" fashion (which is actually mcbling cuz people yet again don't research the trends they're bringing back) low rise jeans are definitely coming back :(
Also with the pandemic, I noticed more vampire-esque aesthetics emerging. The idea of living in a secluded area in a large castle all alone was relatable, and I thing that it is the flipped side of the coin when it comes to cottagecore. Cottagecore is the lighter, more whimsical side of solitude, whereas gothic architecture and dark palettes contribute to more a sense of mystery. The gothic or vampiristic traits embrace the lonesomeness in a different way than cottagecore, but are siblings none the less.
im so happy that vintage fashionistas are getting praise and sort of changing the scope of fashion, i can finally wear "out dated" styles with less stares than before! the corset top paired with the new styles of pant is very 70s silhouette, imo. bc of the 20 year rule tho it could be mimicking the 1970s resurge in the 2000s edit: aw thank you for all the likes, glad to know more folks feel the same
As a male, I’m inspired to wear a corset. I’d like to incorporate it into my personal style once I’ve figured out how to neutralise the gender expression of the corsets aesthetic.
I know your comment is a year old but I get you so much! I'm non-binary and I usually wear a binder, and I love fantasy and costume. I'd love to find a more neutral corset style that I can wear to be able to dress up as a satyr or a pirate without being hypermasculine or hyperfeminine. I would love to possess corset making skills so I could make one that more resembles a binder, because I can't seem to find any gender-neutral options!
Stays are very armor like and have a shape that seems decently suited to a masculine figure. I think if you went with a stiff/structural material like leather it could look really masculine but still fit the modern version of what most people consider corsets. Google "leather stays" to see what I mean. Though leather would be expensive, a material that resembles it would have the same effect imo, and likely be more comfortable. A historical recreator on etsy could possibly make one for you. I've seen male models wearing masculine styled corsets a few times on runway videos recently so your time may be coming. :)
Similarly to the newer replies i am a whole year late lmao. But kpop idols have been incorporating corsets and similar bondage outawear in their style. It can be made casual/more day to day. I recomend looking up bts circa 2016, ateez circa 2019-2020
Re: the low rise jean body type: I remember reading ya books in the mid 2000s like pretty little liars, the clique, uglies, Meg Cabot books etc. And even though I was a stick skinny prepubescent athlete kid they still gave me lasting issues about my body!! I vividly remember this part in a pretty little liars book where they mention a character’s perfect “diamond-shaped kneecaps” and I got super insecure about *my* kneecap shape??? At age 10?? This self-criticism was so common back then and luckily we have a little bit more of a body positive movement now but holy shit this rhetoric even pervaded my brain as a little kid who was super disconnected from pop culture stuff.
Honestly I'm kind of sad corset are going out of fashion, I really like them. Not that I won't continue wearing them, it just means that they'll be much harder to find
about cottage core and assuming that the "lands far from the city are up for grabs", this reminded me of something, without going as far as colonialism. I live in france, and these past year there has been this thing, where people from the city would move to the "calm and relaxing" countryside, to leave the "noisy and stressful" city. But then they discover that whaaaaaaat?? here in the countryside we have tractors, farm animals and their smell, sometimes manure spreading, the roosters sing all day and the church bells chimes every morning... Far is their ideal of the french countryside ! But some of these folks went as far as SUEING to put down the singing rooster or to stop the bells from ringing!! Good thing that most people found that to be crazy, and now the song of the rooster will be recognized nationwide as "sensory heritage of the countryside" x)
corsets coming back into fashion is so fun for me cuz I've always loved 18th century fashion and I'm so glad there's a trend that ties directly back to it
I'm a stenographer and my whole job is sitting and typing on something that looks like a tiny piano. I started wearing a tightlace corset because braces weren't helping. O M G. Life changer!! So. Freaking. Comfortable. I wear it every day. I love it. It's my friend. #believer
Would you consider doing a video on the fashion in “Why Women Kill”? It very clearly states what age it’s supposed to take place in, and based on the characters and their background, I think you’d have a lot to work with and analyze - your videos are a huge form of comfort to watch, as they’re just so informative, calming and entertaining. Keep doing your thing! :>
@@RogueVideoRaven I LOVE her. She’s such a great actress and is so charismatic. I like and prefer her character and story the most, compared to the others. *SPOILER DONT READ!* Her ‘transformation’, so to say, throughout the series is just amazing + Her love for her husband, even though it might not be sexual, is just so clear. They’re romantically in love, not sexually - like they aren’t just best friends, they’re more than that and I love how they accepted eachother.
You mentioned low-waisted jeans, and as a long-torsoed, wide-hipped girl who grew up in the 2000s, low rise jeans were an absolute NIGHTMARE for me; I still have memories of sitting in class and feeling SO uncomfortable & insecure because of the way my “muffin top” spilled over. It really is crazy how fashion can gaslight us, I didn’t get my first pair of high-waisted jeans until college when they became “trendy” again, and it was the first time I felt like a normal body type ever.
im not a fan of her but im super proud she feels comfortable outside of modest fashion. after she was bullied online for have a "bad" body edit: wow! thanks for the likes!
@@janaekelis I think celebrities should try not to care what people say. Success often comes with people being negative towards you. Usually for no reason.
@@foxyf4g Billie was too junior to be objectified. Don't know why media people always want to talk about her dressing sense and body shame her instead of her successful discography.
I haven't really seen many people talk about this but I think the resurgence of the corset can be attributed to drag culture becoming more mainstream. Shows like RuPaul's Drag Race have championed queens and artist who often reference a lot of high fashion silhouettes. If you're not familiar with this I recommend watching Violet Chachki's videos.
I always just thought that styles cycled because kids looked up to people wearing certain things that seemed pretty or cool or whatever, then they grew up and were able to come up with looks themselves so recreated (with their own twists) the things that they loved and dreamed of as kids.
I dont wanna be a downer but as a big boobed girl i dont feel like I can join in on the corset trend because I feel way too exposed. Its super beautiful on everyone if theyre confident enough, but i feel like they're a lot easier for less curvy people to feel comfortable in than those of us whose boobs scrape their chins if we wear a corset lmaoo. This is an amazing video as always though!
@@prairieN a lot of clothing, sure. I can only speak for myself of course, I’m sure there are a lot of people out there who don’t mind at all and I love that for them, but for me anything that’s tight and structured, like corsets usually are, tend to push everything in and either up or down. They have low necklines so you do get a lot on show. Also, when you’re slim but have big boobs like me, it’s literally impossible to get a flattering corset that suits your boobs and your waist/general torso shape. So a lot of the time wearing tight clothing like that is uncomfortable for me because it’ll likely fit part of my body but not all of it. Big boobs aren’t fashionable right now, I feel like it’s all about flatter chests (which is great, love that) so we’re kinda not catered for in this style xx
@@runt181 Sounds like your issue is with mass production, not just corsets - if you can manage to get something custom made, or learn to make it yourself, all those issues will turn around. everything will fit because it's made to your actual measurements and your specifications - that's the point! as for corsets specifically, there are a couple of nice things about a good one - since closures are usually laced, they're more flexible than most modern non-stretch clothes, both for changing size or just letting out when you want to wear something underneath, or even if you've just eaten too much right then! a good one is also very supportive without pulling on your shoulders like bras do, and they don't look out of shape on a more dramatic figure, like plenty of modern fashions do. If you look through the earlier history of corsets, especially through the 19th century, you can see that there were all different shapes, and some were intended to make everyone look just like you! you can certainly find styles that push you up or down, but there are others that keep you exactly where you are. some have higher necklines too, or you can always wear them with something else to fill in that space, as people did one way or another for the majority of corset history. I hope that with the right garments you can also be confident enough to wear whatever you want and celebrate it - and completely ignore the trends unless you actually want to follow them!
I just did my thesis on cottage core and star trek and why both the romanticization of rural elements (cottagecore) and the demonization of rural areas in the media (re: people recoiling when i tell them i'm from texas) are both products of settler colonialism so if you want resources/collab I was gonna make a video about it in June
I just subscribed bc your thesis sounds very interesting. I've been thinking of the urban/rural issue a lot lately bc I started a container vegetable garden (I live in the suburbs of my city so small yard);and a London friend has such an oddly nightmarish (IMO) reaction when I talk of the lizards and frogs in the yard, for example. I don't present this at all negatively, but her feedback is sheer horror and she often expresses relief at being "protected" by her urban life. In any case, to get back to your work, Manifest Destiny surely must add another layer to the topic in the US so I look forward to your video, collab or not!
Sounds fascinating! I grew up in a rural fundamentalist cult and women had to wear long dresses and cover their hair in religious contexts. That's what I see when I see cottage core and wondered if it was part reclamation and what else was going on
People recoiling when you say you’re from Texas could have nothing to do with it being rural and people not liking that. It could be because it’s conservative and people don’t like that
I so appreciate your slight deviation into that CottageCore section. I was recently talking to my friends about it. Both of them originally being from an area with a large Amish community and themselves being distantly related to the community, were amused by the sudden interest in canning, dress making and some of the staples of the CottageCore aesthetic. One of them wondered "when did it become fashionable to be Amish?''
I made a corset the other day and when I walked into my painting class all my friends were asking if I was in pain and how I could breathe??? The misinformation is rampant even though corsets are very trendy right now. But personally I really love corsets because they bring that little bit of royalcore into my look and get the point across without having to wear like a tiara or whatever. It's also a very fun sewing project that I can finish in a couple days. The last one I finished from drafting to laces in three days 💖
But isn't it very uncomfortable? And doesn't it affect your abdominal organs and the coccyx? No hate, just asking because i want to know. You can totally wear whatever you want to
@@shresthamohapatra3491 if it's custom fitted to your body and is properly made, it should be as comfortable and uncomfortable as any piece of body fit items, e.g. shoes. most people i've heard/seen worn them (mostly from youtube) said that the biggest "discomfort" is that they can't really bend down to 90° and can't slouch. other than that, they're completely fine and sometimes didn't even notice the corset was there. (until they tried to bend/slouch, at least lol.)
@@shresthamohapatra3491 Exactly what mophead said! If you buy a corset off Amazon then it's more likely to be uncomfy, but because I made my corset to fit my exact measurements it was super comfortable. It also depends how tightly you lace the corset. The modern idea that corsets are terrible uncomfortable things that can harm your body use the victorian high society trend of tightlacing as the kindle to their fire. That was a very short-lived trend among mostly privileged wealthy women that wanted to attain a very small waist. Generally corsets were necessary to make the wearer more comfortable over long days. It takes a lot of the strain off the waist from heavy skirts with lots of petticoats. I find that it supports my back with my chronic slouching. Also, some people with scoliosis are given medical corsets, or braces, to support their spines. It all really depends on the quality and craftsmanship of the corset. Sorry for the long response!!
Thank you for educating me! Where I live, you can't really get custom fit corsets and mostly people buy from e-commerce websites which are highly disproportionate.
@@MagsMcG THIS!!! i love your response and i wish more people could see this so they can be more informed on the actual facts instead of misleading information and myths about corsets.
my fantasy lifestyle is like literally that. i want to collect things in bottles and wear cloaks and look like somebody plucked me out of a fantasy novel and learn to blacksmith and make myself swords and shit.
PLEASE CAN WE BRING CLOAKS INTO FASHION. I've had the dream of cloaks being common overclothes since at least middle school and I'm turning 22 next month 💀. Imagine coming into your house with the fresh ingredients you just bought from in town, sweeping off your floor length cloak and making dinner and dessert 😭✋🏼. THATS THE LIFE
i’ve never been super into fashion or fashion history but you’ve quickly become one of my favorite youtubers. your voice is so calming and i love the research and time you put into these videos. i feel like i’m watching a mini documentary.
girl, cottagecore has been my dream my entire life. I have no input of colonialism in it because I’m German and always dreamed of living in an English cottage and paint while having a flower and vegetable garden. To me English cottages are just much more dreamy. I come from a tiny village but there is too many people and farming around to be truly quaint. I love the idea because I’m on the spectrum and nature is where I recharge.
I feel exactly the same. Vor allem in deutschen Städten, in meinem Fall München, ist das Leben so übertrieben hektisch Außerdem habe ich das Leben in einer Wohnung satt.
Rural England just seems like the perfect picture of cottagecore living :) though doesn't Germany have lots of cute villages too? Idk what part you're from but I quite like the villages in western Germany near the border with the Netherlands (my country)
Yeah, that article is reaching. There are plenty of people from countries with no colonial past that, gasp, are also tired of city living and fantasise about living in a quiet village somewhere in their own country. The world doesn't revolve around America and when discussing global trends, people need to employ a bit more critical thinking and get their head out of their ass.
Seeing corsets everywhere makes them easily available and I am also just 20 and finally feel confident enough to wear more "extra" things (and socially allowed) like that while I kind of always liked the look of it as a girly-girl with fancy taste. I am kinda afraid that when I start wearing them now when everyone does I will be accused of following trends and then when the trend is over for beign out-of-fashion while it is in fact authentic style that I just so happen to start wearing at the same time as it becoming mainstream oh and I don't have enough blouses to wear underneath. I made my own corsetbelt recently (boned but otherwise similar to the 2017 stuff cus I am like that) but didn't have the chance to wear it yet cus reasons.
I know how you feel. I’m saving up for this beautiful handmade corset (kind of like the one Mina has). But hearing more fashion bloggers say “oh it’s going to be passé in a few months” breaks my heart.
@@icebear7555 You don't need to tell me that. The whole point of my post is that I genuinely like it but feel selflconscious about starting to wear it just when it happens to be trendy.
@@gittevandevelde2208 i see ... Well i hope you can overcome that and wear what you love. I know that's easier said than done haha but I seriously wish you strength .. :]
Thanks for pointing out that it's not only fashion trends that change, body trends change too - we can't allow society to scrutinize our bodies; it's a form of objectification that most women allow or don't see. Be yourself, without apology.
Glad you mentioned the whole low rise jeans/muffin top thing from the early ‘00s, I was 20 when Moulin Rouge came out and we definitely started wearing corsets as outerwear to the clubs because of the expectation that we have big boobs and also a super flat stomach.
I found a perfect little corset dress at a local thrift store and it was a bit beaten up, but me and my mom are working on modifying it into a corset / skirt set and I'm so excited! I've been obsessed with corsets all my life ❤️❤️
I did a research project on Coco Chanel and how she helped depopularize corsets for National History Day, and wound up coming third nationally! Her style and determination to use new fabrics was really cool
@@user-xb5bz4fu9o As a German rule of thumb is looking at whatever company you are trying to research and see on their company website history page what they say about what happened in their company 1939-1945. If there is nothing mentioned in that entire time like with Chanel where they said they closed the business down (because she was off in Spain doing nazi spying things) then it’s usually a red flag. Good companies have had independent research done on their involvement in the nazi era and speak and apologize openly on their website
A Cote if you're interested in more on this topic, check out the Wertheimer family - they're Jewish and became the owners of Chanel parfum, so they got the last word against Coco Chanel and her nazi beliefs
Superhero comic fandom, too, has influenced a resurgence in corsetry! Mostly as "outerwear" but ALSO as structured undergarments: the former due to comics creators, the latter from cosplayers. The most visually represented female superhero is, of course, Wonder Woman. She was created specifically by a man involved in the fetish/BDSM scene, and he cited his wife AND their mutual girlfriend as co-creators. Thusly, Diana of Themiscyra's look features a whip/lasso, high-rise heeled boots, and a corset-like bodysuit: depending on the illustrator, the corset has been interpreted as being: a swimsuit, a minidress, a vest, and "armour". It's only very, VERY recently that Wonder Woman's superhero outfit has been designed SPECIFICALLY with functionality AS ARMOUR in mind - most recently notable in the costuming of her film adaptations, which were designed after the armour worn by [Bronze?] Age grecian soldiers. Most mainstream comics are and have been drawn by straight, white cis-men: the comics "Boys Club" has rightfully been under fire and called out on its artists' basing the physique and expressions of women from pornography. Outright plagarism, where male artists TRACED pinup poses for comic covers and panels, has been noted and documented by fandom, the Hawkeye Initiative tumblr and movement having a vast collation of such Crimes Against Anatomy. DC's Justice League TECHNICALLY boasts numerous women of varying backgrounds and aesthetics but, in practice, its covers and posters from the 80's to mid-2010's generally limited themselves to Diana alone. Tokenism next favours Black Canary (also in fetish wear, plus a leather/denim jacket), followed by Hawkgirl (latex bodysuit or the whole fantasy genre "it's a skintight croptop BUT WITH PLATES!-armour thing) and, for double token points, Vixen (latex bodysuit). Marvel comics, meanwhile, was almost entirely of the latex catsuit or skintight "body armour" with ITS female heroes, in this same time period. Videogames followed superhero comics, fantasy art, and cartoons. As western & eastern media became more available to either audience, they took inspiration from either region's art scenes in turn. As cosplay became more popular, creators became more inclined toward assessing how ACTUALLY WEARABLE their costumes were: by and large, the Boys Club nature of these industries meant that their lack of practical experience with women's wear, let alone their own female costuming, amounted to "I saw it in porn". For female fans, cosplay has hugely affected how we've interpreted costuming: pinup and retro fashion's use of corsetry was very conveniently applicable to mimicking the buxom silhouettes so prominent across gaming and comics (which eventually got back to creators, either through fans BECOMING creators or creators being inspired by fans at cons). Not every fan, after all, has the STEM-skill sorcery to manipulate foam into fake-boobs from which to structure a wearable outfit! Then there's the DC Bombshells fandom: corsetry features, in its mid-20th century "girdle" form, both as clear structural undergarments, outerwear, and often both simultaneously! The fandom has roots in cosplayers, grown-up female fans-turned-creators, and the push for better female representation in comics as a whole. The above is all commentary off-the-top of my head, and likely misremembered in places, but the Hawkeye Initiative tumblr is a legitimate Thing that likely sent me onto the Actual Sources that I've less accurately recalled here.
I'm a little sad that there was no mention of the goth subculture here despite the inclusion of a picture of Siouxsie Sioux, with how huge corsetry has been for us since at least the mid 80s quite persistently. Independent goth designers (admittedly extremely small designers so it's not a Must Know) have done a lot of very interesting fun stuff with corsetry and we've had our own fads through the decades, notoriously the "cameo corset" in the mid 2010s, the obsession with PVC/latex/vinyl in the second half of the 90s and most of the 00s, the Victorian obsession of the late 00s and early 2010s... There's also the testimonies of goths from the 90s who had high fashion interns sent into our nightclubs to sketch what they were wearing (I *think* I remember Anna Sui being mentioned by Angela Benedict), which is clearly evident in late 90s high fashion. But still, great video! I just thought that was a missed opportunity.
I'm glad corsets are making a comeback but I hope people do a bit of research and are careful with purchasing so they don't pick something uncomfortable.
Unfortunately there has been tons of people who know nothing about corsets buying corsets (mainly on YT), just hurts me seeing them buying random corsets on amazon and not wearing them properly and then complain they are uncomfortable.
There's an unfortunate trend on tiktok right now with that $15 Amazon corset where girls cinch it really tight in one quick pull. Looks amazing! Not so great for comfort.
I would love a video analyzing dark academia fashion- partially to get reccs of poc creators/influencers (specifically black accounts) that focus on it...
I really feel like Fashion videos like yours belong to fashion archives bc this is discourse that future fashion historians could really make use of to understand the context and origins of modern trends in this weird online era
Wow! I never thought about how cottage core could be interpreted that way😳 Here in Norway that art style (romantic nationalism) has strong ties to the fight for independence from Denmark and later from Sweden
It's just people, with too much time on their hands and nothing to do, linking everything they can to race relations/oppression/anything they can think of because they want to be seen as virtuous. Pay no mind to it and don't take it seriously.
I think it isn't so black and white that cottagecore aesthetics are connected to colonialism and such. The aesthetics are based around European rural life, which is reality and pretty accessible for many people in Europe, such as Norway, England and parts of my own country the Netherlands (not to say it is reality for everybody here, but not uncommon either). For us cottagecore just has different connotations i think, even if it does romanticize rural living to an extend. Corsets, too, are of European origin
@@meiketempel8430 I'd argue that cottagecore is romanticising the pre-industrial and pre-colonial era considering many people in England left this life to work in the dirty cities, being sold a lie that they will make more money to send back to their families and that industrialisation would make their lives easier and better. Of course that wasn't the case at all because people were working longer hours for less pay, living in cramped rooms, their health deteriorated due to the dirt, dust and hard work, jobs were not guaranteed and food was so expensive that most people didn't even eat any kind of meat on a regular basis. For people to link this to the colonial era is ignorant and best and disingenuous at worst.
@@peachesandcream8753 yeah I felt a bit lost tbh when the whole colonial topic came up. as someone living i sweden it seems very america focused/unnecessarily issue of race, as if the idea that people just wanting to live outside of noisy cluttred cities, ex on the countryside near water with a homey backyard, with other people far n few, as it´s foreign?
Being a nerd and into alternative fashion as a teen is probably the main reason I've never disliked corsets. I can't wear most styles, but I love them!
Ive literally been waiting for corsets to come back in style since seeing Keira Knightley in period dramas as a kid. I never expected it too be so soon, what a time to be alive.
I enjoyed the dive into cottage core. I've been back and forth between the city and the country all my life. Country living is a lot of work. It can be really satisfying over time, but there are so many things I miss about city life. I think a lot of the problematic aspects do boil down to perspective. I don't think I'm better than city people. I also know I'm living on stolen land and trying to give back to my environment and listening to elders are both important aspects of that.
I think the way women relate to corsets is remarkably similar to how we relate to bras. Some of us despise bras and find them horribly uncomfortable. Some even burn them in protest of gendered oppression. And yet some women really appreciate bras, especially if they have painfully heavy boobs that need support. A potentially useful garment can become reviled if an entire gender is socially required to wear it in order to fulfill body standards. Personally I love corsets and I'm really glad that they're more accessible right now. I'm currently saving up for one. Can't wait to have a pretty garment that can improve my posture and give me the nice preassure sensations my autistic brain craves!
I’m legit gonna be so sad when the corset trend is over, because it’ll be so much harder to buy corset tops and things ughhh, but you know what? I’ll keep wearing them even after they’re old news because I love them!
I'd like to hear her thoughts too, but just a heads up for you I've seen several newer videos popping up about cottagecore that you can watch in the meantime. The Take did a video this week abd Alice Cappelle and Rowan Ellis did videos in the last four and nine months.
I listen to this like it's a podcast! I love the fact that you site the sources and you have credible images to go along with it all. I found this channel a while ago and I am now obsessed. Keep up the good work!
oh my god i'm SCREAMING! i've literally never heard anyone shoutout Jenny Lens even though she's one of the greatest photographers of the Los Angeles and New York punk scenes. also screaming that you used pics of the Ramones that i know are from the same night Jenny took pics of my mom. i'm such a big fan and if you ever do more analysis on punk in fashion PLEASE let me help with that research!!!
Thank you for talking about punk culture! It often isn’t talked about when speaking about corsets and their fashion history. Also I love the style myself and it’s cool to learn some new info.
Hi Mina, if you do an updated corset video, I’d love to hear about the health impacts (whether it’s good for posture/bones/spine, organs, breathing etc, long term effects, hygiene & effects on the skin) For corsets, as well as girdles & neck braces & the like :)
im so mad i cant buy cute casual corsets where i am you're breaking my heart saying this trend is going to be so short lived bc I've been waiting for YEARS to buy some
I remember reading about seamstresses in the late 19th-early 20th century refusing to make dresses for their clients to wear without a corset, simply because the idea of an unrestricted, breathing, moving, "shapeless" body was just alien to them, they didn't know what the end result was supposed to be like
I love the way you combine fashion with history, politics, and culture. It makes the topic super interesting, and you have a talent for it! Thank you so much! ❤️
Staring at you for almost 30 minutes still wasn't enough, your outfit today is amazing!! Thank you so much for another highly informative video. I like listening about various trends, even though I don't follow them myself.
This is a Nitpick of mine, but as someone who grew up in a pretty rural area in Europe, with a lot of friends and family from even more rural corners, it just kinda worries me that cottagecore fans tend to forget how interwoven those villages can be. Don't get me wrong, it can be great to feel closer to your neighbours. But those folks are also often just really conservative. They'd hate to even look at someone that doesn't fit the norm. And I'm not just talking skincolour, hijabis and appearing gender nonconforming. Even if you dress "modestly" and to their ideas of gender appropriate, just not being mainstream enough can make people look down on you. Like, I'm not shitting you here, wearing too much black could make them sneer at you. Wearing old looking dresses could make them roll their eyes at you. And I'm sure you're thinking like, "those things can be experienced in the city too what are you talking about" but the danger of the village is that you are probably alone. The less people are in an Area the higher the chance that you're to odd one out. Best case scenario they're all just gonna be a bit cold, maybe you're lucky and it's a bit denser populated and you'll find a handful of people that like you. Worst case scenario someone will try to hurt you and nobody will care. I knew a hippie stoner family that was otherwise normal for the area, but they lived in a small town (more village if you ask me) that had the lovely nickname "Nazi dump" and their neighbours all fucking hated them. Things like someone cutting their Internet cable (their house is like 100ys old so it has some things on the outside) were just to be expected. Hell, that shit is harmless in comparison to all the times Neo-Nazis just lit buildings which housed refugees on fire. I don't wanna take away anyone's escapist fantasy, and I do realize that those teenagers that are into cottagecore won't move to the countryside anytime soon. But it's just... frightening? I just can't forget that you being safe and seen as human is very conditional on the countryside.
Yeah, what's really up with that? I have a close friend who lives in a village like that in the area of the Alps (doesn't matter in which country). And she tells me about her neighbors often, how obsessive, stalking, rude and oppressed (and openly xenofobic) they are and I sometimes just want to get her out of there, for her own safety. Also, I went to boarding school in a rural town myself (not even a village) and the people were ridiculously close minded and hated immediately anything new (like me haha I was a foreigner, but same ethnicity and spoke their language obviously, but I was still rejected from the community, I had only one local friend). It must be the result of supreme and prolonged boredom that generates so much anxiety living in such a place for generations. That's my explanation.
I saw a very interesting video on it some time ago talking just how lesbian the cottagecore style is (and, I mean... it's really really gay lol) and how it is a fantasy people have where they miss the small towns they grew up with and have a lot of nostalgia for the "carefree days of youth" BUT they know that they themselves no longer belong with the community of those areas due to... religion, sexuality etc etc. So they re-imagine the rural world into one full of young, liberal, and accepting people like themselves where they can reclaim what they love and miss, without the bigots, hatred and xenophobia. Like taking back their childhoods in a way! Also, so many cottagecore tiktoks poking fun at dudes looking for "tradwifes" in the cottagecore community, it CRACKS ME UP xD I have family in the countryside with a big farm and lots of animals - I loved going there as a kid, but I know that even as a cis straight woman, just my world views are too radical for my family, let alone for the community over there... I'll always be that strange, feminist city girl to them ahah. I remember just my mum getting divorced was a SCANDAL. So, if we cannot live it, we fantasize :P
I love how much detail she goes into explaining a style trend. I would love to see her talk more about cottagecore and its origins. for the last couple of months i've been trying to daydream about living in a cottage, but I stop cause I'm trying to make it historically accurate, but I can't make it historically accurate cause I don't even know what time it's based off of. I can't see to find it, every resource i find only says when it became popular, 2010. The most information I found was when the cottagecore-y paintings came from and that it took some inspiration from the renaissance, 1800's, and other times I can't remember. I'm aware that there's no definitive answer, but I wanna know what time period to daydream i live in.
See here's the thing, it's not really the the fault of people if they are subjected to misinformation. If you see throughout media the potrayal of corsets have been a certain way and I personally have read even books which said how they were bad for the body. So obviously it's gonna influence how people think about them or perceive them. Maybe this popularity in corsets is due to myth debunking and through the change in the perception of what they meant. It's good to see people evolve and understand fashion and rather than shaming them it would be better if we could support them for the change
I feel like corsets are so restrictive, they aren’t for me but I can appreciate the interesting history behind them! Very interesting video, I love your fashion videos, you make fashion history a class I would want to take! I feel like you would be a very good fashion historian, and that you could teach your own course about fashion history and it would be very interesting.
Corsets are wonderful back support if you're constantly bending over like working women would have as laundresses, spinsters, farming, etc. lifestyles have changed and its not as needed today.
@@aurorasun8208 agree. So if your posture sucks it might actually help. Especially if you sit a lot obviously the corset would have to accommodate sitting
@@irrelevance3859 I heard (or read more specifically) that some people think sitting down in one is hard. I made myself 2 corsets (Aranea Black's Dolores pattern), one pair of 1780s stays (RedThreaded) and one of short regency stays (self-drafted). I never had problem with sitting down in them because they tend to end mid-hip. Plus if you wear it often, you tend to develop a different way of doing things (bending at hips instead of waist is the the most frequent one and far better for your back, or so I read).
Can we just talk about how, amazing Mina’s content is?? It just doesn’t talk about fashion as an aesthetic. She has tons of resources and she discusses how fashion was impacted by social, historical, and cultural changes. Her videos are so well informed. This is rly why she’s my favorite ~fashion~ channel. Mina, if you see this. Ily!!!! You’re doing god’s work.
exactly why i love her channel, it’s so unique
Totally agree! I feel like I'm back in university at an art history lecture.
Absolutely, watching her never feels like a waste of time
she is so amazing. So great at what she does, and honestly one of the only young women I know who does her research and production so well in my opinion
I am a gym rat who doesn't wear dresses of any kind but Mina's content is fabulous. As an art history and cultural studies major, I love the effort put into contextualizing trend cycles. Amazing.
I feel people also need to understand that Mina is talking about MAINSTREAM fashion. If you still want to rock cottagecore go for it, if you want to shave off all your hair and go full punk, go for it. Just because the normal folk have been herded in to a new box, doesn't mean you have to follow. As long as you aren't oppressing or hurting people, do what makes you happy.
I would like to add do it cause YOU want to. Some people will for example be goth just because they think goth is not popular. They don't actually want to be goth because they like goth but to be "not like other girls". I Rember saying my fav color was "black" simply because of other people thinking it would be too girly and immature, and too unoriginal if I told the truth and said it was "pink". You get it? don't do goth cause it's "not like other people" do it because of you. This also goes for other styles not just goth and girly princess styles.
I wanna be both 🤩
@@littlemixstraykidsanddojac7769 will also that alternative doesn't always mean goth, emo, punk, dark clothes. There are plenty of alternative fashion that feature pink which are more in the j fashion side. Also yes, pink is my favorite color too (well I used to say blue and I still like blue but pink is the color I wear the most). Otherwise yeah I agree with you. Honestly I'm wondering if I'm fitting myself into a box bc I used to like kawaii fashion. I know I don't like main stream fashion that much but idk what my fashion style would be
I know I'm late to the party but I want to add one more thing - There is no rule you need to be "something". Want to dress in all black today and in frilly pink dress tomorrow? That's also totally ok! Athleisure one time, professional attire another? Why not! Don't force yourself into any box you are not comfortable in.
i love cottage core shush
I feel like if you owned a rococo style Viv Westwood corset you'd be too powerful
we can not let it happen- she would be too powerful
I mean I’m ready for Mina to be our world leader
Is she the same of the Vivian the girl talked about the video? I tried to google but couldn't find🥲 i need to see what it looks
@KMIMI yes! Vivienne Westwood (the 1992 collection had the corsets) there's videos of the show on TH-cam
@@WordsAlongTheWire thank you!!! Im looking it up❤️
thankfully corsets have never gone out of style in the goth vampire culture
goths never stopped wearing corsets, vampira is our queen lol
exactly 🖤
Yes! I had so many goth style corsets in the mid 00s when hot topic carried them and I still think of goth fashion first when I think of corsets.
yes
and harajuku lolita culture :P (mostly)
proud of the vintage fashion youtube community for berating hollywood for giving corsets a bad name SO MUCH that corsets end up being trendy for the first time in decades
yup
i still dont think most people who wear corsets nowadays, know that they aren't supposed to be uncomfy. but cool! MORE CORSETS WOHOO!
YES! I went from thinking "Ugh its restrictive and uncomfortable" to "...i was wrong" in minutes after discovering the community. I still don't think corsets look all that nice, but I really hate the misinformation about them more.
we love democracy
we are now on the right side of history 😌.
“MARIE ANTOINETTE: the great grandmother of cottagecore” was not a take i was expecting in this video but I love it so goddamn much
yes but it's so true and her cottage core was the same problem as it is today : privileged white pretty people running around a meadow in their white cotton dress while the rural workers are like : -_-^
I went to her gardens in France, and legit she created a whole cottage core mini town for herself to live in. She was definitely one of the biggest cottage core people I've ever heard about.
@@bluenailpolish5547 too accurate! Lol
I knooooowwww
@@beachesincali7606 the petit trianon so pretty !!!
I love that women were shamed for their natural bodies while simultaneously called vain for adhering to beauty standards.... oh did I say 'were', I meant are :/ we literally can't win
an old quote from Kesha that hangs on my wall right this minute
"it is the height of irony that women are valued for our looks, encouraged to make ourselves beautiful amd ornamental... and then derided as shallow and vain for doing so"
This society literally just hates women 😭😭😭 there’s no wrong or right way to look or have a body if there was then there wouldn’t be so many drastic body trend changes over the years. People just love sexualizing and criticizing everything about women and it’s been going on for too long. One day I just decided I didnt care anymore about these made up standards and I’ve been happy with myself ever since :^)
Idk what circles you live in but I don't get shamed for following or not following beauty standards...except by other women :/ I've never had a boy make fun of me in school nor a man point out my fashion (save for things like "you have a stain here" or something). The only people who ever really outed anything about my fashion sense were my mom and sister
@@lunaredelvour2972 ur exclusive experience with women does not exclude the thousands of women shamed by men as well. If you’re on TH-cam I’m guessing you have social media. You’d have to be a time traveler from 10 BC to not understand the societal norms pushed onto women
@@lunaredelvour2972 in plain terms: men be doing the same thing if not more bc that’s who markets products most of the time. Yet half of them cant wipe their ass properly
I also think the release of Animal Crossing: New Horizons last year attributed to the uprise of the cottage core trend
Definitely! Running though my flower path in a pretty dress.
getting to decorate my animal crossing game made me fucking obsessed with rococo styles lol
YES
@@three_headed_maiden3x3 except that unfortunately the rococo series isn’t available on ACNH
@@yaelvacacenteno1382 it will be on november 5
One of the weirdest things about Bridgerton was the fact that the characters used these extremely tight corsets and they ended up covering them with dresses that wouldn't highlight their waists whatsoever.🥴
RIGHT??? like why are you tightening your waist for an empire waist style??
@@texaspoontappa2088 ikr!! It didn't make any sense😭
Exactly. I don't need complete historical accuracy from Bridgerton. But, that was just a bit pointless.
right like why would you wear a corset to put a baby doll style dress over it :/
I think long corsets were used to hide body flaws when dresses made of light fabrics hugged the body.
it’s crazy to me how fashion reflects the political climate, economy, pop culture, and just society in general
same here, along with pop music. listening to what genres are big or what songs are big and why has so much to do with everything else in the world, and it's so interesting to me.
that's why when i hear people say they don't participate in fashion, or they don't care about fashion, or just that fashion in general is stupid, i can't help but to think, "you really have no idea, don't you."
there's a lot of problematic stuff going on in fashion industry and fashion trends, and anyone can absolutely opt out of those two. (to some extent, at least, in regards to the industry.) but you can't "opt out" of fashion. if yer part of society, yer participating in fashion by default.
@@mophead_xu you can't really 'opt out' of any part of society, but that doesn't mean you have to care about it. People have different interests.
@@mophead_xuyou wouldn’t be saying that if you knew my teenage self. 😂 Just because we’re part of the same culture doesn’t mean we all participate in popular clothing trends or that we want to.
The Vivienne Westwood corset is iconic.
I found a VW inspired corset recently and I'm in loooooove
@@missmama919 That's so cool!!💗
Mhm! Yeah!
It isss!
every time i see it i think of twigs
I have chronic pain & fatigue, arthritis centered in my spine, and scoliosis. I’ve honestly never felt better than in a corset, it allows me to stay upright without feeling the pain of holding good posture for that long and allows me to not wear a bra because those hurt so much. It’s also such a calming pressure throughout the day. I can’t believe how much hate corsets get because anyone who’s worn a proper one would know how supportive and amazing they are!
It's nice to see that ppl with different needs can benefit and have access to these type articles if clothing. I feel there are so many underlying benefits to wearing a cherry that many ppl tend to overlook.
I find them really comfortable and they reduce my anxiety!
Me too. Custom ones from decent companies feels like a hug.
its kinda off topic but who else loves that 60s/70s trends are coming back? I feel like the 2020s will be a wild and very fun time for fashion and all about revivals from the whole 20th century and a wider individuality
yess
I’m glad you love them. I know the 70s had some gorgeous trends, particularly in nightwear but I hate the color palette. It’s so muted and if you’re very cool toned it just looks so blah. Plus all the “natural” brown makeup that’s assumed to suit everyone, hence why it’s nicknamed “natural” or “nude” but for a lot of people the K-Beauty look of pure pigments and skin emphasis is actually their “natural” to their skin requiring pure pigments. I actually wish we went with something more dramatic and structured in fashion, like 1930s-1940s level of clothing and glamour. Less focus on variety of clothing and more on fit, construction, accessories and colors. The bad about the styles from these decades is that they’re not exactly bigger body friendly. Or at least something else entirely tbh as opposed to depending on nostalgia to sell clothes. I’m glad femininity and glamour is slowly coming back in after 20-40 years of casual sportswear. The milkmaid thing is here to stay I’m noting as well as overall more body conscious and womanly silhouettes or going very androgynous.
When I briefly spoke to my mom about modern trends she became extremely happy - and that’s how I found out that when I was yet a smol-bean-of-a-hooman she was into 70s fashion, and was mixing it up with trends of the time (late 90 - early 00, yup). Never thought that I could make this nerdy bio-mathematician so excited about fashion, but she is LIVING for it now)
@@anamarte7547 I've actually seen some vintage ads for the 40s that showcase larger womem and they look quite nice! The 1930s definitely aren't as friendly towards fat bodies- the style was very much trying to make a woman like a slender column
It’ll probably only be “trendy” for a couple of months or weeks since fast fashion has caused trends to shift super fast. 😔
"It is just ridiculous to expect women to just be able to hop onto these trends when its their literal bodies that they are genetically given."
Spoken so beautifully, this is so true.
This! How can we be expected to change our genetically determined body shape each season???
I don’t know if people can relate but i think her voice is so calming and confident
That's my main reason for watching. I love her voice, and it's good for background while working. It just helps that the topics are something I'm somewhat interested in.
Sometimes I put on her videos Ive seen just to fall asleep. So calming
its so clear and crisp
ikr. pure 💫asmr💫
I love when she smiles in the middle of saying something, it makes me feel happy
Similar to muffin tops, looking back, it's crazy how much we considered people's ACTUAL BONE STRUCTURES to reflect on their personhood via thigh gaps.
Same with hipdips they're my BONES! 😭
@@xakirax_8864 and BECAUSE of my hipdips I will always be more prone to having 'MUFFIN TOPS' godDAMMIT I am CURSED lmfao
so true. and stretch marks - so many people (myself included) got them because their body decided to yeet into puberty and grow faster than their skin could keep up and now people are like 'iTs BeCaUsE wEiGhT gAiN' no Deborah it's because puberty.
My sister is a professional costume designer and everytime we watch history inspired shows together she's screaming at how historically inaccurate some costumes are in the most recent Netflix series ahah
I relate to your sister
i dont even have to be a professional costume designer to want to yell at half of em 😭
@@renoirrr SAMEEE
I'm torn between wanting corsets and super feminine princessy styles to stay in fashion and DESPERATELY wanting 1920's style dresses to make a return
THE FRINGE 🤩 THE SPARKLES. I totally get you! I love the the costumes and stage dressing of Ertè and how dramatic and luxurious it looks, but i love voluminous big skirts too. I need both to be in fashion tbh.
Do both!! Wear a corset one day and wear a flapper dress the other!!
@@PenelopeAlys you are BRILLIANT
I mean, literally you don't have to follow fashion anymore. I am on the verge of getting a victorian evening gown and actually wearing it in places ✨
@@wolvesofabyss8235 I'd like to encourage that because that sounds AMAZING
I really like the corset trend. It’s a very versatile piece of clothing and it looks really cool in every colors pattern and style
I love looking at it. But nor I have the money or live in a country that would be easy to get them or acceptable to wear it the way I would like to wear them :(
@@Bjjbhcoa86 same. Wow I got a lot of liked lol
@@nina5drioli well, it is a really agreeable comment, friend :D
do you know some places to buy them? i’m looking for corsets everywhere but i can’t find them at all :(
@@blank9370 I actually don’t know, I don’t own any
Ahh I wish you and Karolina Żebrowska would do a collab video, especially around themes like how some historical fashion trends and everyday clothing has been misrepresented or overly generalised in the current day. Or just anything, we need a mash-up with you two!
m e m e m o m
OMG YES
Loved seeing you with the rest of our time travelers... I wish you all well.
That would go so crazy I need that desperately now
I would love to see videos of you analyzing these trendy aesthetics like cottage core, regency core, dark/light academia, etc. There is a lot to discuss (style inspirations, history and why they came to be so popular, and, ofc, the issues around most - if not all - of these aesthetics being extremely... white).
I feel like a majority of these aesthetics sprung up due to mood boards (Pinterest) and TikTok but it’s really hard to see people wearing these type of outfits in real life.
@@eurydice7086 I beg to differ. I think the outfits shown in many of these moodboards are actually easy to reproduce, specially in cottagecore and academia (but if not, it's always possible to wear something "trendy aesthetic inspired"). It's exactly why these things are seen on TikTok. And the influence of social media in trends is actually really strong to not see the possible impact of the popularity of these specific styles in the long-run.
I'm pretty sure these aesthetics are predominantly white because they stem from historical European fashion / aesthetics. Europe is where white people are from 😮
@@user-zw8uc4rm1m Of course that's the reason, and it's exactly why maintaining these references as predominantly white just perpetuates all that is harmful about the Eurocentric view.
Just because that's the context of aesthetic fashion doesn't mean that those who wear it are perpetuating toxic stereotypes.
Everyone can wear whatever they'd like to wear.
Even if I'm wearing a princess dress - that doesn't mean I support monarchy.
Maybe people just like the clothes in and of themselves.
No one's stopping people from creating mood boards with fashion from marginalized groups and those styles becoming popular. Personally I'd welcome it!
Not in a cultural appropriation way, but as in normalizing non-white fashion in the mainstream.
That reference of muffin tops made me roll my eyes. Horrible trend that created a generation of girls with eating disorders, please never come back
Sadly it is coming back, but thanks to body positivity and a curvier shape going "trendy" it gets topped with the thong strings trend and gives a nice shape even if one has muffin tops
@@MagieUrisha I mean, thongs were all en vogue then too, but we just got slut shamed about whale tails at the time, so expect some obnoxious backlash if you choose to follow the revival of the low rise jeans. I guess I should just hope that the low rise jeans makes buying thongs easier again because the last 5 or so years pickin's been sparse.
What part of video is it?
with the revival of "y2k" fashion (which is actually mcbling cuz people yet again don't research the trends they're bringing back) low rise jeans are definitely coming back :(
And those low rise pants were really setting us up for failure 😣
Also with the pandemic, I noticed more vampire-esque aesthetics emerging. The idea of living in a secluded area in a large castle all alone was relatable, and I thing that it is the flipped side of the coin when it comes to cottagecore. Cottagecore is the lighter, more whimsical side of solitude, whereas gothic architecture and dark palettes contribute to more a sense of mystery. The gothic or vampiristic traits embrace the lonesomeness in a different way than cottagecore, but are siblings none the less.
im so happy that vintage fashionistas are getting praise and sort of changing the scope of fashion, i can finally wear "out dated" styles with less stares than before! the corset top paired with the new styles of pant is very 70s silhouette, imo. bc of the 20 year rule tho it could be mimicking the 1970s resurge in the 2000s
edit: aw thank you for all the likes, glad to know more folks feel the same
stop waiting for someone else to do it so you can do it..
@@ameera.abubakr i live in a country where i can get terribly harassed for dressing differently, thanks!
As a male, I’m inspired to wear a corset. I’d like to incorporate it into my personal style once I’ve figured out how to neutralise the gender expression of the corsets aesthetic.
I know your comment is a year old but I get you so much! I'm non-binary and I usually wear a binder, and I love fantasy and costume. I'd love to find a more neutral corset style that I can wear to be able to dress up as a satyr or a pirate without being hypermasculine or hyperfeminine. I would love to possess corset making skills so I could make one that more resembles a binder, because I can't seem to find any gender-neutral options!
Stays are very armor like and have a shape that seems decently suited to a masculine figure. I think if you went with a stiff/structural material like leather it could look really masculine but still fit the modern version of what most people consider corsets. Google "leather stays" to see what I mean. Though leather would be expensive, a material that resembles it would have the same effect imo, and likely be more comfortable. A historical recreator on etsy could possibly make one for you. I've seen male models wearing masculine styled corsets a few times on runway videos recently so your time may be coming. :)
Similarly to the newer replies i am a whole year late lmao. But kpop idols have been incorporating corsets and similar bondage outawear in their style. It can be made casual/more day to day. I recomend looking up bts circa 2016, ateez circa 2019-2020
Can we just appreciate how helpful Mina is for everything?
She really does her homework
Re: the low rise jean body type: I remember reading ya books in the mid 2000s like pretty little liars, the clique, uglies, Meg Cabot books etc. And even though I was a stick skinny prepubescent athlete kid they still gave me lasting issues about my body!! I vividly remember this part in a pretty little liars book where they mention a character’s perfect “diamond-shaped kneecaps” and I got super insecure about *my* kneecap shape??? At age 10?? This self-criticism was so common back then and luckily we have a little bit more of a body positive movement now but holy shit this rhetoric even pervaded my brain as a little kid who was super disconnected from pop culture stuff.
Honestly I'm kind of sad corset are going out of fashion, I really like them. Not that I won't continue wearing them, it just means that they'll be much harder to find
Save up and get some cool custom orders from small businesses! That's my plan.
@@Aster_Risk do you have any recommendations 👀
the historical fashion community continuing to grow so I don't think it will be too much harder.
@@Aster_Risk best plan! Small designers like me love people like you.
@@girlsnightgirIsnight forgot to tag you but check my above comment
about cottage core and assuming that the "lands far from the city are up for grabs", this reminded me of something, without going as far as colonialism.
I live in france, and these past year there has been this thing, where people from the city would move to the "calm and relaxing" countryside, to leave the "noisy and stressful" city. But then they discover that whaaaaaaat?? here in the countryside we have tractors, farm animals and their smell, sometimes manure spreading, the roosters sing all day and the church bells chimes every morning...
Far is their ideal of the french countryside ! But some of these folks went as far as SUEING to put down the singing rooster or to stop the bells from ringing!!
Good thing that most people found that to be crazy, and now the song of the rooster will be recognized nationwide as "sensory heritage of the countryside" x)
corsets coming back into fashion is so fun for me cuz I've always loved 18th century fashion and I'm so glad there's a trend that ties directly back to it
Ties back... haha I see what you did there.
Same!! It's my favorite era of fashion and i love corsets
I'm a stenographer and my whole job is sitting and typing on something that looks like a tiny piano. I started wearing a tightlace corset because braces weren't helping. O M G. Life changer!! So. Freaking. Comfortable. I wear it every day. I love it. It's my friend. #believer
Which ones do you have?
I wear a waist trainer for my back pain and it helps so much with my posture!
Would you consider doing a video on the fashion in “Why Women Kill”? It very clearly states what age it’s supposed to take place in, and based on the characters and their background, I think you’d have a lot to work with and analyze - your videos are a huge form of comfort to watch, as they’re just so informative, calming and entertaining. Keep doing your thing! :>
I love Why Women Kill (Lucy Liu is iconic) I didn’t know other people liked it so much too!
@@RogueVideoRaven I LOVE her. She’s such a great actress and is so charismatic. I like and prefer her character and story the most, compared to the others.
*SPOILER DONT READ!*
Her ‘transformation’, so to say, throughout the series is just amazing + Her love for her husband, even though it might not be sexual, is just so clear. They’re romantically in love, not sexually - like they aren’t just best friends, they’re more than that and I love how they accepted eachother.
I just binged it this weekend! It's amazing and now I'm just asking everyone around me to watch it
Ooo yes. This show is so underrated
Oh my, I love you! I was just gonna comment that! It's a fabulous show! I'm halfway through, and I'm so glad it got renewed!
You mentioned low-waisted jeans, and as a long-torsoed, wide-hipped girl who grew up in the 2000s, low rise jeans were an absolute NIGHTMARE for me; I still have memories of sitting in class and feeling SO uncomfortable & insecure because of the way my “muffin top” spilled over. It really is crazy how fashion can gaslight us, I didn’t get my first pair of high-waisted jeans until college when they became “trendy” again, and it was the first time I felt like a normal body type ever.
Purrr what a literal queen. Billie is happy in her body and like she said men are weak.
im not a fan of her but im super proud she feels comfortable outside of modest fashion. after she was bullied online for have a "bad" body
edit: wow! thanks for the likes!
@@janaekelis I think celebrities should try not to care what people say. Success often comes with people being negative towards you. Usually for no reason.
@@foxyf4g Billie was too junior to be objectified. Don't know why media people always want to talk about her dressing sense and body shame her instead of her successful discography.
Ikr like it’s very different, but I can still see her sporting the sensual pastels and think yeah that’s Billie Eilish I’m looking at.
idk what this has to do with billie but i hope she's okay its such a big change from her usual
I haven't really seen many people talk about this but I think the resurgence of the corset can be attributed to drag culture becoming more mainstream. Shows like RuPaul's Drag Race have championed queens and artist who often reference a lot of high fashion silhouettes. If you're not familiar with this I recommend watching Violet Chachki's videos.
Mina and corsets on my birthday?!?! what more could a girl ask for 😩🙄
happy birthday!! 🎉
@@teehee1816 thank you 😯😝
Aww! Happy birthday! I hope you get to have some fun!
@@Aster_Risk omg y'all are so sweet 🙁
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🎉🎉
I love that Mina includes such a diverse group of people when she gives aesthetic/style examples. Love to see the representation!
The corset top you're wearing is so beautiful!
Yeah - if you dont mind me asking, where did you get such a darling piece? 😲!!
Yes!! I'd like to know where she bought it!
I always just thought that styles cycled because kids looked up to people wearing certain things that seemed pretty or cool or whatever, then they grew up and were able to come up with looks themselves so recreated (with their own twists) the things that they loved and dreamed of as kids.
That's why when I wanna dress up I go full 80s new wave
Mina holding the mic makes it feel more homey and vintage for some reason.
I dont wanna be a downer but as a big boobed girl i dont feel like I can join in on the corset trend because I feel way too exposed. Its super beautiful on everyone if theyre confident enough, but i feel like they're a lot easier for less curvy people to feel comfortable in than those of us whose boobs scrape their chins if we wear a corset lmaoo. This is an amazing video as always though!
As someone with no cleavage, can I ask if this is somewhat true of most clothing?
@@prairieN a lot of clothing, sure. I can only speak for myself of course, I’m sure there are a lot of people out there who don’t mind at all and I love that for them, but for me anything that’s tight and structured, like corsets usually are, tend to push everything in and either up or down. They have low necklines so you do get a lot on show. Also, when you’re slim but have big boobs like me, it’s literally impossible to get a flattering corset that suits your boobs and your waist/general torso shape. So a lot of the time wearing tight clothing like that is uncomfortable for me because it’ll likely fit part of my body but not all of it. Big boobs aren’t fashionable right now, I feel like it’s all about flatter chests (which is great, love that) so we’re kinda not catered for in this style xx
The 1700s stays would be perfect for a large chest. They smoosh boobs.
Same, when I did yoga, I could NOT lie flat as my boobs got in the way, amusing but uncomfortable.
@@runt181 Sounds like your issue is with mass production, not just corsets - if you can manage to get something custom made, or learn to make it yourself, all those issues will turn around. everything will fit because it's made to your actual measurements and your specifications - that's the point! as for corsets specifically, there are a couple of nice things about a good one - since closures are usually laced, they're more flexible than most modern non-stretch clothes, both for changing size or just letting out when you want to wear something underneath, or even if you've just eaten too much right then! a good one is also very supportive without pulling on your shoulders like bras do, and they don't look out of shape on a more dramatic figure, like plenty of modern fashions do. If you look through the earlier history of corsets, especially through the 19th century, you can see that there were all different shapes, and some were intended to make everyone look just like you! you can certainly find styles that push you up or down, but there are others that keep you exactly where you are. some have higher necklines too, or you can always wear them with something else to fill in that space, as people did one way or another for the majority of corset history. I hope that with the right garments you can also be confident enough to wear whatever you want and celebrate it - and completely ignore the trends unless you actually want to follow them!
I just did my thesis on cottage core and star trek and why both the romanticization of rural elements (cottagecore) and the demonization of rural areas in the media (re: people recoiling when i tell them i'm from texas) are both products of settler colonialism so if you want resources/collab I was gonna make a video about it in June
I just subscribed bc your thesis sounds very interesting. I've been thinking of the urban/rural issue a lot lately bc I started a container vegetable garden (I live in the suburbs of my city so small yard);and a London friend has such an oddly nightmarish (IMO) reaction when I talk of the lizards and frogs in the yard, for example. I don't present this at all negatively, but her feedback is sheer horror and she often expresses relief at being "protected" by her urban life. In any case, to get back to your work, Manifest Destiny surely must add another layer to the topic in the US so I look forward to your video, collab or not!
Sounds fascinating!
I grew up in a rural fundamentalist cult and women had to wear long dresses and cover their hair in religious contexts. That's what I see when I see cottage core and wondered if it was part reclamation and what else was going on
That sounds really interesting! Are you comfortable with sharing your thesis? I would love to read it!
People recoiling when you say you’re from Texas could have nothing to do with it being rural and people not liking that. It could be because it’s conservative and people don’t like that
If a woman tells me they're from Texas I recoil because I'm genuinely scared for them and want to help them escape to somewhere safe.
I so appreciate your slight deviation into that CottageCore section. I was recently talking to my friends about it. Both of them originally being from an area with a large Amish community and themselves being distantly related to the community, were amused by the sudden interest in canning, dress making and some of the staples of the CottageCore aesthetic. One of them wondered "when did it become fashionable to be Amish?''
I just love the way a corset looks , the newer ones too , I love the shape and the structure it gives to the body no matter the size it looks so good
I made a corset the other day and when I walked into my painting class all my friends were asking if I was in pain and how I could breathe??? The misinformation is rampant even though corsets are very trendy right now. But personally I really love corsets because they bring that little bit of royalcore into my look and get the point across without having to wear like a tiara or whatever. It's also a very fun sewing project that I can finish in a couple days. The last one I finished from drafting to laces in three days 💖
But isn't it very uncomfortable? And doesn't it affect your abdominal organs and the coccyx? No hate, just asking because i want to know. You can totally wear whatever you want to
@@shresthamohapatra3491 if it's custom fitted to your body and is properly made, it should be as comfortable and uncomfortable as any piece of body fit items, e.g. shoes.
most people i've heard/seen worn them (mostly from youtube) said that the biggest "discomfort" is that they can't really bend down to 90° and can't slouch. other than that, they're completely fine and sometimes didn't even notice the corset was there. (until they tried to bend/slouch, at least lol.)
@@shresthamohapatra3491 Exactly what mophead said! If you buy a corset off Amazon then it's more likely to be uncomfy, but because I made my corset to fit my exact measurements it was super comfortable. It also depends how tightly you lace the corset. The modern idea that corsets are terrible uncomfortable things that can harm your body use the victorian high society trend of tightlacing as the kindle to their fire. That was a very short-lived trend among mostly privileged wealthy women that wanted to attain a very small waist. Generally corsets were necessary to make the wearer more comfortable over long days. It takes a lot of the strain off the waist from heavy skirts with lots of petticoats. I find that it supports my back with my chronic slouching. Also, some people with scoliosis are given medical corsets, or braces, to support their spines. It all really depends on the quality and craftsmanship of the corset. Sorry for the long response!!
Thank you for educating me! Where I live, you can't really get custom fit corsets and mostly people buy from e-commerce websites which are highly disproportionate.
@@MagsMcG THIS!!! i love your response and i wish more people could see this so they can be more informed on the actual facts instead of misleading information and myths about corsets.
my fantasy lifestyle is like literally that. i want to collect things in bottles and wear cloaks and look like somebody plucked me out of a fantasy novel and learn to blacksmith and make myself swords and shit.
Oh my gosh yes! That's the dream.
Go for it!
I, too, want to learn blacksmithery for swords and rings that I can gift my life long companion with 😔
PLEASE CAN WE BRING CLOAKS INTO FASHION. I've had the dream of cloaks being common overclothes since at least middle school and I'm turning 22 next month 💀. Imagine coming into your house with the fresh ingredients you just bought from in town, sweeping off your floor length cloak and making dinner and dessert 😭✋🏼. THATS THE LIFE
CAN WE JUST MOVE INTO A COMMUNITY IN THE WOODS AND DO THIS. PLEAAAAASEEE
i’ve never been super into fashion or fashion history but you’ve quickly become one of my favorite youtubers. your voice is so calming and i love the research and time you put into these videos. i feel like i’m watching a mini documentary.
I was just crying because of the beautiful black corset I left into the trift store a few weeks ago. Time to cry more
girl, cottagecore has been my dream my entire life. I have no input of colonialism in it because I’m German and always dreamed of living in an English cottage and paint while having a flower and vegetable garden. To me English cottages are just much more dreamy. I come from a tiny village but there is too many people and farming around to be truly quaint. I love the idea because I’m on the spectrum and nature is where I recharge.
Please come and get a cute cottage here! You’d love the cotswolds! 💛
@@PenelopeAlys Cotswolds are gorgeous
I feel exactly the same. Vor allem in deutschen Städten, in meinem Fall München, ist das Leben so übertrieben hektisch Außerdem habe ich das Leben in einer Wohnung satt.
Rural England just seems like the perfect picture of cottagecore living :) though doesn't Germany have lots of cute villages too? Idk what part you're from but I quite like the villages in western Germany near the border with the Netherlands (my country)
Yeah, that article is reaching. There are plenty of people from countries with no colonial past that, gasp, are also tired of city living and fantasise about living in a quiet village somewhere in their own country. The world doesn't revolve around America and when discussing global trends, people need to employ a bit more critical thinking and get their head out of their ass.
Ugh YES so many flashbacks of the words "muffin top" being thrown around in the low rise pant era
Ah as lover of the corset trend, this video was so so good 💕💕 also the one you are wearing is gorgeous !
Seeing corsets everywhere makes them easily available and I am also just 20 and finally feel confident enough to wear more "extra" things (and socially allowed) like that while I kind of always liked the look of it as a girly-girl with fancy taste. I am kinda afraid that when I start wearing them now when everyone does I will be accused of following trends and then when the trend is over for beign out-of-fashion while it is in fact authentic style that I just so happen to start wearing at the same time as it becoming mainstream
oh and I don't have enough blouses to wear underneath. I made my own corsetbelt recently (boned but otherwise similar to the 2017 stuff cus I am like that) but didn't have the chance to wear it yet cus reasons.
I know how you feel. I’m saving up for this beautiful handmade corset (kind of like the one Mina has). But hearing more fashion bloggers say “oh it’s going to be passé in a few months” breaks my heart.
Just keep wearing them even if they're not trendy anymore. Don't follow trends follow your own style, people will even remember you for it
@@icebear7555 You don't need to tell me that. The whole point of my post is that I genuinely like it but feel selflconscious about starting to wear it just when it happens to be trendy.
@@gittevandevelde2208 i see ... Well i hope you can overcome that and wear what you love. I know that's easier said than done haha but I seriously wish you strength .. :]
Who cares what anyone else thinks or says wear what makes YOU happy. F em! 🤟
Thanks for pointing out that it's not only fashion trends that change, body trends change too - we can't allow society to scrutinize our bodies;
it's a form of objectification that most women allow or don't see. Be yourself, without apology.
Glad you mentioned the whole low rise jeans/muffin top thing from the early ‘00s, I was 20 when Moulin Rouge came out and we definitely started wearing corsets as outerwear to the clubs because of the expectation that we have big boobs and also a super flat stomach.
I found a perfect little corset dress at a local thrift store and it was a bit beaten up, but me and my mom are working on modifying it into a corset / skirt set and I'm so excited! I've been obsessed with corsets all my life ❤️❤️
"a flapper's a flipper from one lap to another" LMAO I LOVE THAT
It really annoys me that male corsetry is always ignored. During the 18th and early 19th century men wore they’re own versions of the corset.
I did a research project on Coco Chanel and how she helped depopularize corsets for National History Day, and wound up coming third nationally! Her style and determination to use new fabrics was really cool
yeah that and being a nazi spy later on.
@@melz6625 yeahhh I was well too far into corset research to switch topics when I found That One out
@@user-xb5bz4fu9o As a German rule of thumb is looking at whatever company you are trying to research and see on their company website history page what they say about what happened in their company 1939-1945. If there is nothing mentioned in that entire time like with Chanel where they said they closed the business down (because she was off in Spain doing nazi spying things) then it’s usually a red flag. Good companies have had independent research done on their involvement in the nazi era and speak and apologize openly on their website
@@melz6625 that's good to know, tysm!
A Cote if you're interested in more on this topic, check out the Wertheimer family - they're Jewish and became the owners of Chanel parfum, so they got the last word against Coco Chanel and her nazi beliefs
Superhero comic fandom, too, has influenced a resurgence in corsetry! Mostly as "outerwear" but ALSO as structured undergarments: the former due to comics creators, the latter from cosplayers.
The most visually represented female superhero is, of course, Wonder Woman. She was created specifically by a man involved in the fetish/BDSM scene, and he cited his wife AND their mutual girlfriend as co-creators. Thusly, Diana of Themiscyra's look features a whip/lasso, high-rise heeled boots, and a corset-like bodysuit: depending on the illustrator, the corset has been interpreted as being: a swimsuit, a minidress, a vest, and "armour". It's only very, VERY recently that Wonder Woman's superhero outfit has been designed SPECIFICALLY with functionality AS ARMOUR in mind - most recently notable in the costuming of her film adaptations, which were designed after the armour worn by [Bronze?] Age grecian soldiers.
Most mainstream comics are and have been drawn by straight, white cis-men: the comics "Boys Club" has rightfully been under fire and called out on its artists' basing the physique and expressions of women from pornography. Outright plagarism, where male artists TRACED pinup poses for comic covers and panels, has been noted and documented by fandom, the Hawkeye Initiative tumblr and movement having a vast collation of such Crimes Against Anatomy.
DC's Justice League TECHNICALLY boasts numerous women of varying backgrounds and aesthetics but, in practice, its covers and posters from the 80's to mid-2010's generally limited themselves to Diana alone. Tokenism next favours Black Canary (also in fetish wear, plus a leather/denim jacket), followed by Hawkgirl (latex bodysuit or the whole fantasy genre "it's a skintight croptop BUT WITH PLATES!-armour thing) and, for double token points, Vixen (latex bodysuit).
Marvel comics, meanwhile, was almost entirely of the latex catsuit or skintight "body armour" with ITS female heroes, in this same time period.
Videogames followed superhero comics, fantasy art, and cartoons. As western & eastern media became more available to either audience, they took inspiration from either region's art scenes in turn. As cosplay became more popular, creators became more inclined toward assessing how ACTUALLY WEARABLE their costumes were: by and large, the Boys Club nature of these industries meant that their lack of practical experience with women's wear, let alone their own female costuming, amounted to "I saw it in porn".
For female fans, cosplay has hugely affected how we've interpreted costuming: pinup and retro fashion's use of corsetry was very conveniently applicable to mimicking the buxom silhouettes so prominent across gaming and comics (which eventually got back to creators, either through fans BECOMING creators or creators being inspired by fans at cons). Not every fan, after all, has the STEM-skill sorcery to manipulate foam into fake-boobs from which to structure a wearable outfit!
Then there's the DC Bombshells fandom: corsetry features, in its mid-20th century "girdle" form, both as clear structural undergarments, outerwear, and often both simultaneously! The fandom has roots in cosplayers, grown-up female fans-turned-creators, and the push for better female representation in comics as a whole.
The above is all commentary off-the-top of my head, and likely misremembered in places, but the Hawkeye Initiative tumblr is a legitimate Thing that likely sent me onto the Actual Sources that I've less accurately recalled here.
Mina: hello my beautif-
Me: [blushes]
I'm a little sad that there was no mention of the goth subculture here despite the inclusion of a picture of Siouxsie Sioux, with how huge corsetry has been for us since at least the mid 80s quite persistently. Independent goth designers (admittedly extremely small designers so it's not a Must Know) have done a lot of very interesting fun stuff with corsetry and we've had our own fads through the decades, notoriously the "cameo corset" in the mid 2010s, the obsession with PVC/latex/vinyl in the second half of the 90s and most of the 00s, the Victorian obsession of the late 00s and early 2010s... There's also the testimonies of goths from the 90s who had high fashion interns sent into our nightclubs to sketch what they were wearing (I *think* I remember Anna Sui being mentioned by Angela Benedict), which is clearly evident in late 90s high fashion. But still, great video! I just thought that was a missed opportunity.
Yes!!! Exactly, corsets are a timeless statement piece in the Goth subculture.
I agree. As an elder goth I was certain the goth love for corsets would come up and I was disappointed it didn’t.
Kambriel and Gallery Serpentine have been shown in gothic museums.
I'm glad corsets are making a comeback but I hope people do a bit of research and are careful with purchasing so they don't pick something uncomfortable.
Unfortunately there has been tons of people who know nothing about corsets buying corsets (mainly on YT), just hurts me seeing them buying random corsets on amazon and not wearing them properly and then complain they are uncomfortable.
@@aspannas Yes, exactly! They might have a bad experience and then perpetuate the myths about corsets.
There's an unfortunate trend on tiktok right now with that $15 Amazon corset where girls cinch it really tight in one quick pull. Looks amazing! Not so great for comfort.
@@g5rearea Yes! Anytime I see those I cringe a bit 😣 They probably won't even wear after the tiktok so it contributes to overconsumption as well.
I would love a video analyzing dark academia fashion- partially to get reccs of poc creators/influencers (specifically black accounts) that focus on it...
You drop this after my gay ass spent a whole hour looking at tik toks of women doing that corset challenge. Thank you
Using the song "Haus of Holbein"
They've been saying American women are too fat for over 100 years. Like, leave us alone and let us be!
Living for the way Mina says ‘corset’ it sounds very fancy
Love it too!
I really feel like Fashion videos like yours belong to fashion archives bc this is discourse that future fashion historians could really make use of to understand the context and origins of modern trends in this weird online era
Wow! I never thought about how cottage core could be interpreted that way😳 Here in Norway that art style (romantic nationalism) has strong ties to the fight for independence from Denmark and later from Sweden
It's just people, with too much time on their hands and nothing to do, linking everything they can to race relations/oppression/anything they can think of because they want to be seen as virtuous. Pay no mind to it and don't take it seriously.
I think it isn't so black and white that cottagecore aesthetics are connected to colonialism and such. The aesthetics are based around European rural life, which is reality and pretty accessible for many people in Europe, such as Norway, England and parts of my own country the Netherlands (not to say it is reality for everybody here, but not uncommon either). For us cottagecore just has different connotations i think, even if it does romanticize rural living to an extend. Corsets, too, are of European origin
@@meiketempel8430 I'd argue that cottagecore is romanticising the pre-industrial and pre-colonial era considering many people in England left this life to work in the dirty cities, being sold a lie that they will make more money to send back to their families and that industrialisation would make their lives easier and better. Of course that wasn't the case at all because people were working longer hours for less pay, living in cramped rooms, their health deteriorated due to the dirt, dust and hard work, jobs were not guaranteed and food was so expensive that most people didn't even eat any kind of meat on a regular basis. For people to link this to the colonial era is ignorant and best and disingenuous at worst.
@@peachesandcream8753 yeah I felt a bit lost tbh when the whole colonial topic came up. as someone living i sweden it seems very america focused/unnecessarily issue of race, as if the idea that people just wanting to live outside of noisy cluttred cities, ex on the countryside near water with a homey backyard, with other people far n few, as it´s foreign?
This is SUCH high quality entertainment... Mina's work is seriously amazing. It has EVERYTHING I could want.
literally sitting in my corset, scrolling through billie’s pictures when I got the notification of this upload
“Braiding Sweetgrass” is one of my favorite books! So beautifully written and important...highly recommend to everyone!!!
Corsets are so misunderstood. They're so beautiful and versatile!
Being a nerd and into alternative fashion as a teen is probably the main reason I've never disliked corsets. I can't wear most styles, but I love them!
Ive literally been waiting for corsets to come back in style since seeing Keira Knightley in period dramas as a kid. I never expected it too be so soon, what a time to be alive.
I enjoyed the dive into cottage core. I've been back and forth between the city and the country all my life. Country living is a lot of work. It can be really satisfying over time, but there are so many things I miss about city life. I think a lot of the problematic aspects do boil down to perspective. I don't think I'm better than city people. I also know I'm living on stolen land and trying to give back to my environment and listening to elders are both important aspects of that.
I think the way women relate to corsets is remarkably similar to how we relate to bras.
Some of us despise bras and find them horribly uncomfortable. Some even burn them in protest of gendered oppression. And yet some women really appreciate bras, especially if they have painfully heavy boobs that need support.
A potentially useful garment can become reviled if an entire gender is socially required to wear it in order to fulfill body standards.
Personally I love corsets and I'm really glad that they're more accessible right now. I'm currently saving up for one. Can't wait to have a pretty garment that can improve my posture and give me the nice preassure sensations my autistic brain craves!
yesss mina talking about corsets you know it’s going to make my day :)
I’m legit gonna be so sad when the corset trend is over, because it’ll be so much harder to buy corset tops and things ughhh, but you know what? I’ll keep wearing them even after they’re old news because I love them!
just wanted to say i'd love to see a video delving into the nuances of cottagecore!!
I'd like to hear her thoughts too, but just a heads up for you I've seen several newer videos popping up about cottagecore that you can watch in the meantime. The Take did a video this week abd Alice Cappelle and Rowan Ellis did videos in the last four and nine months.
Can I say that pearl hairband is beautiful!
I live for the big handheld mic. It is a look that I am here for. I also identify with the struggle of keeping something like that cat hair free.
I listen to this like it's a podcast! I love the fact that you site the sources and you have credible images to go along with it all. I found this channel a while ago and I am now obsessed. Keep up the good work!
this is completely unrelated but ur voice is so nice and easy to listen to!
oh my god i'm SCREAMING! i've literally never heard anyone shoutout Jenny Lens even though she's one of the greatest photographers of the Los Angeles and New York punk scenes. also screaming that you used pics of the Ramones that i know are from the same night Jenny took pics of my mom. i'm such a big fan and if you ever do more analysis on punk in fashion PLEASE let me help with that research!!!
could you please make a video talking about the fashion in gilmore girls ??
I think this is a great idea!!! Definitely do it!
Thank you for talking about punk culture! It often isn’t talked about when speaking about corsets and their fashion history. Also I love the style myself and it’s cool to learn some new info.
I feel targeted lol, I spent 3 hours looking at corsets and stays for my future cottagecore closet
Hi Mina, if you do an updated corset video, I’d love to hear about the health impacts (whether it’s good for posture/bones/spine, organs, breathing etc, long term effects, hygiene & effects on the skin)
For corsets, as well as girdles & neck braces & the like :)
im so mad i cant buy cute casual corsets where i am
you're breaking my heart saying this trend is going to be so short lived bc I've been waiting for YEARS to buy some
Don't let trends determine your style. Wear whatever makes you happy.
I remember reading about seamstresses in the late 19th-early 20th century refusing to make dresses for their clients to wear without a corset, simply because the idea of an unrestricted, breathing, moving, "shapeless" body was just alien to them, they didn't know what the end result was supposed to be like
Omgoodness the rambling and going off topic is what makes viewing your videos feel like a conversation, and not a lecture and I enjoy that the most 🥰😍
For the record, waist training wasn't a thing because of the Kardashians! They seem to always get credit for things they take from 'other cultures '
Agreed. I was waist training and wearing corsets way before the kardashians were popular. And there were many more way before me.
@@cielarte yeah but the point is that they popularized among the mainstream fashion. They aren't pioneers in anything but they have a large following
This is the type of content my inner fashion history nerd NEEDED this morning! ✨
I love the way you combine fashion with history, politics, and culture. It makes the topic super interesting, and you have a talent for it! Thank you so much! ❤️
Yess finally a whole video just for corsets! I know I can always count on queen Mina 😭
Staring at you for almost 30 minutes still wasn't enough, your outfit today is amazing!! Thank you so much for another highly informative video. I like listening about various trends, even though I don't follow them myself.
This is a Nitpick of mine, but as someone who grew up in a pretty rural area in Europe, with a lot of friends and family from even more rural corners, it just kinda worries me that cottagecore fans tend to forget how interwoven those villages can be. Don't get me wrong, it can be great to feel closer to your neighbours. But those folks are also often just really conservative. They'd hate to even look at someone that doesn't fit the norm. And I'm not just talking skincolour, hijabis and appearing gender nonconforming. Even if you dress "modestly" and to their ideas of gender appropriate, just not being mainstream enough can make people look down on you. Like, I'm not shitting you here, wearing too much black could make them sneer at you. Wearing old looking dresses could make them roll their eyes at you.
And I'm sure you're thinking like, "those things can be experienced in the city too what are you talking about" but the danger of the village is that you are probably alone. The less people are in an Area the higher the chance that you're to odd one out. Best case scenario they're all just gonna be a bit cold, maybe you're lucky and it's a bit denser populated and you'll find a handful of people that like you. Worst case scenario someone will try to hurt you and nobody will care. I knew a hippie stoner family that was otherwise normal for the area, but they lived in a small town (more village if you ask me) that had the lovely nickname "Nazi dump" and their neighbours all fucking hated them. Things like someone cutting their Internet cable (their house is like 100ys old so it has some things on the outside) were just to be expected. Hell, that shit is harmless in comparison to all the times Neo-Nazis just lit buildings which housed refugees on fire.
I don't wanna take away anyone's escapist fantasy, and I do realize that those teenagers that are into cottagecore won't move to the countryside anytime soon. But it's just... frightening? I just can't forget that you being safe and seen as human is very conditional on the countryside.
Yeah, what's really up with that? I have a close friend who lives in a village like that in the area of the Alps (doesn't matter in which country). And she tells me about her neighbors often, how obsessive, stalking, rude and oppressed (and openly xenofobic) they are and I sometimes just want to get her out of there, for her own safety. Also, I went to boarding school in a rural town myself (not even a village) and the people were ridiculously close minded and hated immediately anything new (like me haha I was a foreigner, but same ethnicity and spoke their language obviously, but I was still rejected from the community, I had only one local friend). It must be the result of supreme and prolonged boredom that generates so much anxiety living in such a place for generations. That's my explanation.
I saw a very interesting video on it some time ago talking just how lesbian the cottagecore style is (and, I mean... it's really really gay lol) and how it is a fantasy people have where they miss the small towns they grew up with and have a lot of nostalgia for the "carefree days of youth" BUT they know that they themselves no longer belong with the community of those areas due to... religion, sexuality etc etc. So they re-imagine the rural world into one full of young, liberal, and accepting people like themselves where they can reclaim what they love and miss, without the bigots, hatred and xenophobia. Like taking back their childhoods in a way! Also, so many cottagecore tiktoks poking fun at dudes looking for "tradwifes" in the cottagecore community, it CRACKS ME UP xD
I have family in the countryside with a big farm and lots of animals - I loved going there as a kid, but I know that even as a cis straight woman, just my world views are too radical for my family, let alone for the community over there... I'll always be that strange, feminist city girl to them ahah. I remember just my mum getting divorced was a SCANDAL. So, if we cannot live it, we fantasize :P
I love how much detail she goes into explaining a style trend. I would love to see her talk more about cottagecore and its origins. for the last couple of months i've been trying to daydream about living in a cottage, but I stop cause I'm trying to make it historically accurate, but I can't make it historically accurate cause I don't even know what time it's based off of. I can't see to find it, every resource i find only says when it became popular, 2010. The most information I found was when the cottagecore-y paintings came from and that it took some inspiration from the renaissance, 1800's, and other times I can't remember. I'm aware that there's no definitive answer, but I wanna know what time period to daydream i live in.
The same ppl who said corsets kill women are wearing them now, I love the irony
And saying "oh but I'm not tightlacing" bby neither were the ppl wearing them on a daily basis in the past 🙄
See here's the thing, it's not really the the fault of people if they are subjected to misinformation. If you see throughout media the potrayal of corsets have been a certain way and I personally have read even books which said how they were bad for the body. So obviously it's gonna influence how people think about them or perceive them. Maybe this popularity in corsets is due to myth debunking and through the change in the perception of what they meant. It's good to see people evolve and understand fashion and rather than shaming them it would be better if we could support them for the change
why did i picture like a 190 year old man in a corset
when people change 😡😡😡
Some ppl just want to die u know?
Love that you research so thoroughly and cite your sources!!! Please don’t ever lose those priorities!
I feel like corsets are so restrictive, they aren’t for me but I can appreciate the interesting history behind them! Very interesting video, I love your fashion videos, you make fashion history a class I would want to take! I feel like you would be a very good fashion historian, and that you could teach your own course about fashion history and it would be very interesting.
Corsets are wonderful back support if you're constantly bending over like working women would have as laundresses, spinsters, farming, etc. lifestyles have changed and its not as needed today.
@@aurorasun8208 agree. So if your posture sucks it might actually help. Especially if you sit a lot obviously the corset would have to accommodate sitting
@@irrelevance3859 I heard (or read more specifically) that some people think sitting down in one is hard. I made myself 2 corsets (Aranea Black's Dolores pattern), one pair of 1780s stays (RedThreaded) and one of short regency stays (self-drafted). I never had problem with sitting down in them because they tend to end mid-hip. Plus if you wear it often, you tend to develop a different way of doing things (bending at hips instead of waist is the the most frequent one and far better for your back, or so I read).