PRETTY LITTLE LIARS - Why the dropped plotlines matter
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- This show is a mess... Today's topic is all about it's wasted opportunities and potential, dropped plot points, and the top 10 things I would have changed. Sorry about the lighting in this video! It's fixed in the others :)
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What are the most annoying abandoned plot lines in PLL for you?
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Probably the Maya knew one because I felt so proud that I'd figured it out but mostly the time line because if you look closely basically season three, four and some of five happened in two months, I think you should do a vid on that because it was really dumb.
I don't know if it's like too many writers or whatever? But there's a LOT of lazy writing, storylines that either went nowhere or just made no sense at all! and tons of plot holes in Pretty Little Liars that just make it so bloody frustrating to watch.
I think they should’ve explained why Melissa hated the girls so much. As far as I know, there’s no reason for her to hate them.
Also, they should’ve also explained more where Alison was/what she was doing the whole time she was missing.
the n.a.t. club one hundred percent!!! it really could’ve been a storyline extremely sinister and dark and perverted, but it was forgotten about way too soon. also, you should do a video about things you’d want to see in the PLL: Original Sin reboot!
Mike’s depression storyline could have been really interesting and developed his character really well instead he disappeared for most of the show and only mentioned when it was convenient to the plot.
The fact that this show normalized grooming makes me sick. The only guy that knew it was wrong was Ezra's friend in season one. (Troian's real life husband)
When the girls found out about the relationship, they even encouraged it. If I were them, I would have objected to it right when I found out. They should’ve been looking out for aria’s safety.
@@nachogames101 I agree. If one of my closet friends ever told me that they've been in a relationship with a teacher, or anyone who is older and has a role model figure in their life; I would've told them it was a wrong life decision. Probably contact their parents or a therapist
@@nachogames101 but then these girls weren't the most innocent either
@@nachogames101 for sure, but also sooo many teenagers have crushes on teachers and are often too young to understand what‘s wrong with it. Imo it’s Ezras fault. If it IS her soulmate, just wait till the end of school ffs - it really bothered me, when they were already in senior year, and even that was almost over, they STILL had this conversation about him leaving ect
I didn't know that was Troian's hubby!! Thats cool :)
But yeah on that grooming note yeah I dunno what these writers were thinking its almost like they were like "yeah but the actors are older so it should be okay" and just... didn't think past that
There were so many hints and foreshadowing of Aria being A and having a split personality. Also why did Alison take photos of Aria when she was asleep? Aria could have been such an interesting character who was wasted on Ezra.
Those photos could've been an introduction to Aria having a twin.
@@rahbeeuh well
The nurse in the mental asylum was recognising Aria
And in arias house was a picture at the Wall with 2 little twin girls with black hair
@@ChrisAtheist missed opportunity
what does "a split personality" mean? you talking about dissociative identity disorder or borderline personality disorder or something else?
@@lithiumkid Dissociative personality disorder which is sometimes called split personality disorder. It was one of the biggest theories in regards to PLL since people believed that Aria’s other personality was A.
Which is different than BPD splitting where a person will see things in black and white (or all good or all bad).
I understand how the whole conversation around mental illness and addiction was different back in the early 2010s but WOW the way the show treated weed like it was hard drugs with Jason and Maya was so unrealistic lol
yes!
@el from space yeah! As a Brazilian, it was as it's treated and seen here
@@augustooliveira518 but the comment above is saying it was treated like it's a big deal when it's not. surely u mean it's not a big deal in Brazil too right?
@@okikiosk I mean, it depends actually. Like ten years ago it was a big deal for almost everyone. Now it is for most of the population, but no for everyonw
You see that same over-the-top reaction to weed in the first season of The Vampire Diaries as well, which is marketed at the same demographic and around the same time. Which is weird because as a teen then, it wasn’t seen as such a huge deal if your friends did weed, only if they let it become their whole personality or derailed their life, which was rare.
Its kind of ironic how the girls being super clique-y and treating mona like shit in the last two seasons was the exact behaviour that turned her into A in the first place 💀
Like how do they not see how fucked up that is?
Exactly!
if someone tortured me like A did. they could never atone for what they did to me. mona didnt deserve forgiveness
@@hidansektas fr she ran over Hanna, tried to throw Spencer of a cliff and put human growth hormones in Emily’s cream giving her an ulcer she didn’t deserve forgiveness
Just what I was thinking! Having your main characters exclude Mona but forgive Ezra for stalking them completely undermines this whole “female friendship” thing that King said was the reason she basically didn’t make Aria A. Does anyone else see a problem with that 😅?
@@MrMagicBoo they shouldn’t of forgiven Ezra or Mona they’re both trash
"Why would Aria date Jason knowing he was in the NAT Club?" Well, she married E*ra knowing he manipulated and lied to her throughout the entire beginning of their relationship and was only with her to get to her also underage friend.
lmao my expectations for Aria are clearly too high
Don't forget Ezra almost killed Emily
@@ChrisAtheist wait when?
@@lithiumkid Ezra was obsessed with his book and was chasing them
He pushed Emily and she felt with her head at the table edge (while she was just unconscious she could have died)
@@ChrisAtheist 😧 goodness gracious i can’t believe they forgave him for that
we should've gotten a whole season filling in plot holes
I totally agree. But instead, they had a season making even more plot holes.
But what are the plot holes? Cause I don’t have any.
@@bttm4u Jason dilaurentis was a product of an affair with Allison's mom and Spencer's dad but we find out later that the dilaurentis family moved to rosewood when Ali was already born and Jason is older than ali
@@blesbeauty1018 And then there's the fact that Toby's mother was killed by a _twelve year old_ Bethany, but she was alive when the liars where teenagers. Right before Halloween a year before season one, we learn that only one year has past since her death. Also, the fact that Bethany was supposed to be only two years older than Alison and yet in a flashback we see that she is the same age as Charles - who is at the very least four years older than Alison. (Well, she was supposed to be four years older, later she is suddenly around seven-eight years older than Ali and the liars.)
@@CrystalGoddess90 The show was literally just one big plot hole
Honestly they could have done away with majority of their romantic subplots and the show would’ve been so much better just from that
Especially the ones in 6B onward. It just seemed like the show became more of a soap opera mixed in with a little taste of horror. They completely sidelined the mystery for romantic drama and pointless love triangles
Emily’s romance subplots took up so much time and rarely led anywhere.
i totally agree. In fact the finale the whole first hour was about their relationships then they quickly rushed to finding out who a was in the end, I was so pissed
They forgot the redcoat storyline ever existed, then remembered that they once told us that redcoat was A, so decided to make it the most useless character! The writer's did us dirty. 😭😂
Your PLL videos are so good! The wasted potential of the show is actually really sad, the ending could've been so good
Fr i haven't seen a lick of the show and I'm eating all of these videos up
Also we never addressed that Ezra probably put those knives in Jake’s punching bag! Why did we never see Jake after that?!!?!
or A, who knows
It was probably A making it look like it was Ezra.
@@sarahxo2317 but then we never see Jake again so what was the point????? Cause no one ever accuses Ezra of doing it??!??
@@Holly-rose752 who the hell knows the writers dropped plots all the time😭
Remind me who was jake again?
The whole Hanna and Sean situation bothered me so much. And the Ezra and Aria relationship was portrayed in such a good light in the show that I was annoyed at everyone who didn't want them together when I was a kid
Yeah, same
You would have hated me I opposed them loudly and viciously 😂😂 to be fair I watched it in college
Aria and ezra are gross all around agreed but the Sean and hannah thing with mona egging her on is very typical ideation from high schoolers. I got told the same things from friends in middle school even. My school fortunately had focused a bit in sex ed on educating us on consent, being ready and not giving into pressure but it's extremely common and I'm actually glad the show had a female doing the pressuring it's just unfortunate that like many things with this show it's never followed up on appropriately like say with hannah having a conversation with her mom and learning she needs to respect Sean's choice. They just did it for drama and forgot about it.
exactly, i was 12 watching the show and i defended their relationship and thought it was okay. to think that other young viewers might feel the same way, and get themselves in situations where they’re being taken advantage of without realizing, is so so gross. and the fact that ezra turned out to ACTUALLY have had bad intentions when pursuing aria from the beginning, trying to get info about alison, CONFIRMS he groomed and took advantage of her, yet they stayed together, like, wtf.
I'm ashamed to admit that I liked them together too
Younger me was dumb
Yes Hanna was the only one who actually tried to make Mona a part of their group, she tried to encourage girls to give Mona a chance just like she did, Hanna was the one inviting Mona to some of their meetings, asking her for help, keeping in touch with her and stuff like that
Yeah but for all of that she didn’t treat her all that well :( Mona saved her, made her an it girl, gave her a new lease on life. Hanna really should have been ride or die, but sometimes she seemed just as fed up with Mona as the rest of the Liars. My best friend was like Mona, but she had so many issues and upset my family, embarrassed me by acting horrible to people around us, and demanded I devote time and energy I didn’t have to keeping her happy. When I couldn’t be ride or die anymore, I told her and set her free. She deserved better than a half-assed friendship for all she had given me. So did Mona.
@@shirin9452 true mona saved her life but also hit her with a car (if not mistaken) xD so idk it kinda balance the good out sometimes. But indeed later seasons, she really tried her best and they didn't include her..
@@laklomp I get what you’re saying, and Mona being A can’t just be forgiven. But I guess to me, the real takeaway is that these girls weren’t really the best people either. They stood by while their leader bullied and traumatized multiple people and even let her get away with BLINDING a girl. Couldn’t be me...silently watching someone call someone else a hermaphrodite nickname, wtf? They never apologized to Mona properly even after she became friends with Hanna, and they certainly never seemed to care about Jenna, whose life they changed. It’s ridiculous, I know we’re supposed to like them but this ended up being the story of how 4 cowardly and not-great girls got targeted for revenge by someone whom they let be tortured. I don’t excuse Mona, but I feel Hanna wasn’t as good a friend for essentially treating her as disposable. SHE didn’t know Mona was A, all she knew was Mona saved her and treated her amazingly. There should have been some loyalty to Mona rather than to the friends from Ali’s clique 😂
@@shirin9452 Well, what you are saying is true-ish. Sometimes they cared about some people, but they never expressed it. They were mean and heartless while following Allison which is very easily seen about flashbacks and present time. Even when Allison said stuff about Hanna being fat, nobody replied. They became more humane in present time though, but still got certain visions that was imprinted by Allison from the past. Like how many times they thought Tobby was bad or indeed, how little they care about Jenna while sometimes it's very clear that Jenna also lost a lot and that she has a very good reason to despise the girls.
Honestly, I feel like they did evolve during S1-further season's in certain perspectives but you are right, they aren't blameless. It's also true what Spencer said "Ever think it's our fault, if we would stop lying, than A wouldn't be able to throw it in our face"
Honestly, criticism of the show aside, this show is a perfect show to give classes about ethics, right or wrong, imprinted thoughts and believes,..
and then she ran her over!
Maya character has so much potential I wish they could’ve gave us more and I still wonder what she was going to say
Mona becoming part of the liars would've made so much more sense, and frankly would've shown that the four girls had some decency in them, because like you said, they had always been rude to her and excluded her in all of the seasons. Plus, compared to Ezra, Toby, and Caleb, Mona had an actual excuse for the things she did to the girls, due to her developing a mental illness as the result of Alison's detrimental torment. Ezra was a total creep and sociopath for preying on young girls, Toby and Caleb had their own problems.. I truly believe that Mona had good intentions past season three and that she was the one who deserved forgiveness and inclusion the most.
I don’t support rapists and Jenna was, but I never understood why tf the Liars hated Jenna so much. They were complicit in blinding her! And they had no clue she was essentially raping Toby, so it couldn’t have been this that made them treat her badly, at least in the beginning. Exactly why are you being horrible to Jenna? Because your leader threw a bomb that took her sight? Tf? Before they knew that Jenna was a rapist, they should have been angels to her. I mean, it just shows they weren’t that nice or mature of girls. I’ll never understand why they acted that way. Did they ever even confront Jenna about raping Toby?
I would have been ok with season 2 being the last season. I mean, looking back at the show nothing shocked me since Mona was revealed as "A"
I agree so much. Afterwards I just lost complete interest. The girls got more annoying, I was really not happy with Emily having multiple girlfriends like she should’ve stayed with Maya they were great together. Them accusing everyone they come across of being A was a REAL PAIN in the ass. So glad this show is over though.
It was the most consistent era
Melissa especially always bothered me, the entire show we are told she knows more than the liars and is wrapped up in everything everytime. And she's supposed to be a genius, being smarter than Spencer but just has no relevance at all
I truly don't understand why the fans raved about these girls' friendship. They were in a typical toxic friendship group: just people you hangout with and talk to who you will lose contact with after high school and this show was mostly based in high school. They were brought together by Alison and had a surface level friendship. There was nothing deep between them since day 1. They were tortured and traumatized so they had no choice but to lean on one another. The one thing they build together throughout the show was loyalty so it would be understandable that they would would feel betrayed and shocked if one of the liars/Aria was A but other than that, I feel no special bond between them. The writers missed out big time by listening to fans. I feel the same way with most of the main romantic relationships too. PLL was less storytelling and more fan service.
I did have a feeling that the writers definetely were more worried about making fans angry by letting A be one of the Liars or their boyfriends rather than about writing a good story. Who needs a good story when you have FRIENDSHIP and SHIPS. Seriously, if I want to see that, I'm watching a telenovela or a disney movie but not a mystery show, so this fan service really annoyed me.
Exactly and you can tell that their friendship is shallow when in season 7, during Hanna’s engagement party when her mother asks the question « where did Emma and her fiancé met ? », Emily and Spencer couldn’t even answer it, even though they were like « yeah i know it for sure »
@@SMg-bp7vw I think the point of that scene was to show that Hanna wasn’t in love with her fiancé as she doesn’t talk about him with her close friends like a girl in love would
@@chanelwilson7814 yes there is also that, but at least when you met Someone you can tell where you have met him
@@SMg-bp7vw That’s true, but based on how she barely tells anything about Jordan to her mother, Hanna most likely didn’t say much about her fiancé to anyone besides the basics and what she posted on social media. Hanna herself even admitted at the end of the episode that she should have included Jordan in her life more
I wish we saw Aria and Noel's relationship like it was in the books😭
im super sad about that too
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Basically season 6 to season 7 were full of useless plot lines, subplots, and filler
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Watching your videos has kinda made me wish Aria was A now, you have officially converted me
hehe good xx
I've wanted it from the beginning. She was perfect for that.
For all I care, I didn't have to know who killed some insignificant character that is completely unrelated, But I was soooooo disappointed when we didn't find out how the moms broke out of the basement in 6x10, I was so curious :((
Aria’s mom did a spell
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@@bakedbeansontoast487 ifkr lmaooo
I read somewhere that Pam Fields had to cover herself in oil and slip out of the window because she was the smallest...
@@gemmacullington134 yea it was implied but they never said that
Some of the stuff A did was so ridiculous and unrealistic A can’t have been everywhere all the time! Also I wish the writers had planned out the show better I swear they didn’t even know who A was going to be half the time
lmao they just said a was everyone
i found your chanel basically a few hours ago, and omg yes, give me all the pll content.
Ezra was a weirdo and Ezria just shouldn't have been a thing, the amount of relationships on this show between the teenage protagonists and adults is concerning, the mental health and drug addictions were so mishandled that it's gross, Emily deserved actual storylines not just failed relationships, and in my ideal world Mona is one of the liars and is treated as a equal.
Even as a 16 teen year old I knew they were wrong. After that fake reveal which at the time I did not know was fake I was like yes! Him being A made sense and then a bunch of Erzia fan got mad they even said Toby turned out not to be A because you Spoby fans all whined so we are going to do that too.
Wasn’t that the point though? To create that long term conflict to help fuel plot and character developments? I mean yeah in real life it’s not ok but for a work of fiction it just helped to build story and turmoil.
@@nolaray1062 You can argue that they did it for conflict, but considering their main demographic was teenage girls and never once thought how having inappropriate relationships romanticized on the show might affect how they look at relationships is terrible. If Ezra were treated as an actual predator and went to jail (like in the books) and the other relationships were treated like they were creepy and gross (like they were), then I would have no problem with it because the show acknowledges how wrong they are. Also the way they handled the mental health aspect of the show was a horrible portrayal of mental illnesses and added to the stigma.
@@alex_n215 I guess I’m just weird because I don’t look for life advice from fiction. It’s not fictions job to teach a person, especially a child, how to act. That responsibility falls on the parents. One of my favorite shows when I was a kid dealt with vigilantism. I didn’t take that as a cue to go torture ppl just because the characters in the show were praised for it.
I wish the show had incorporated more of the plot points from the books, especially from later in the series, because some of them were just so interesting like:
*book spoilers ig*
-the whole cruise ship plot with the bomb and the girls almost drowning
-Hannah's relationship with her dad, and learning to appreciate her mom and stop seeking her dad's approval
-Iris's character and her dynamic with Emily
-Tabitha as well was such an interesting character, especially since an ongoing theme of the show was fire and burns, she would've made such a great addition to the plot
-The whole Jamaica incident in general
-Emily's girlfriend who was wanted by the FBI
-Courtney!!!!
-Melissa's development and her relationship with Wilden (who was actually an ok guy in the books)
-Nick was such a creepy character, but I guess he doesn't make sense unless Alison is A
-That one part where Alison impersonated a burn victim
-Emily's suicidal thoughts and how it tied into the end with her catching A
-when Ezra came back for one book and was basically exposed as a creeper and a narcissistic
-Spencer reaching out to the guy who had been bullied in school with the scars on his face and was giving her information on Alison
-Alison faking her death at the end and acting like the girls tortured and killed her so that they'd all go to jail
wow that sounds so cool, they definitely could have incorporated some of those elements!
I really wanted Aria and Ezra to be A together. I think it would have explained so much about both of their characters, especially ezra's past with Alison and the book he was writing. It would have been so much more interesting for all of the characters and probably would have meant that lots of the other plot lines could have been resolved as well. Also if Aria and Ezra were working together as A it would have solidified their relationship and made it much less predatory and weird in my opinion. If they had another connection and their story hadn't begun at that bar in season 1 (because I definitely think Aria spent some time in Radley- how did Eddie lamb know her?) then I think they could have been a really solid, evil couple that would have tied the pretty little liars plot together really well. Anyway, love your videos!! 🥰
Or they could've made Ezra manipulate and gaslight her into it
@@solierix true! Or even possibly the other way around- I think everyone always thinks of ezra as the manipulative one (because he is I suppose, seducing a high school student) but actually we see that aria definitely has an angry streak and is really good at lying and guilt tripping herself.
I would have loved Ezra and Aria for that because I always thought Aria was A and the fact that she was in a relationship that was questionable and the adult(Ezra) let it happen
The more breakdowns of this show I watch the more pissed I get 😂 not for now I don’t really care but mad for my teenage self who worshiped this show 😂
Noel doesnt make sense because in the books he wasn't supposed to be a villian.
As a teen I was annoyed that he tried to out Aria and Ezra but now as I'm older I think Ezra was shady af and the relationship was disgusting to me, Noel was the only one that reacted like a normal person to a 20 something english teacher dating a 16 year old.
*spoiler alert lol*
He was supposed Aria's main love interest btw
Honestly one of the biggest problems with the show was that they just kept adding and adding mysteries without solving most of them. They seemed to be under some idea that having 100 different storylines would keep viewers engaged and they would just got more and more absurd. I could not believe for one second these girls were in high school. They always just felt like really immature and dumb adults.
Mona was like one of the only characters I cared about by the fifth to seventh seasons. By that point I didn't even care who Uber A was (though it should've been Aria and/or Alison), I just wanted good things for Mona and the show wouldn't even give her that as if her character wasn't carrying the show on her back by this point. .
I hated that even on the last episode everyone was still mean to Mona. Even Ashley was when she was like what are you doing here at the dinner before Aria's wedding.
i remember watching pll when i was younger and thinking that aria and ezra’s relationship was completely fine and healthy and i remember getting so angry whenever anyone in the show questioned it because the writers made it out as if there wasn’t a problem which was so irresponsible of them knowing that they had such a young, impressionable audience. Also looking back on it it was really weird to know that the writers loved aria and ezra together so much. Like why was their relationship even a thing?? it’s mind blowing what the writers were able to get away with
I think a breakdown of Mona’s character would make a really interesting video :)
Please!! I’d die
Even though I liked the younger show so much, I realize how problematic it was:
- How banalised Hanna's eating disorders have been. I know that was the point for Allison to be mean and bully others, but even later on in the show, her comments about Hanna's weight (and even in general) were never addressed, like they weren't harmful.
- Same goes for Spencer's substance use, who was declared to be insane (she just needed help and I hate how they did it). Or the treatment Mona was being given for her mental disorder, which was never properly explained. Honestly, she deserved so much better, because with what she had as a support, I'm not sure she would have done well in reality than in the series.
- Cece's diagnosis, I never understood. She says she was diagnosed with Intermittent Explosive Disorder, but she doesn't have any of the clinical features (at least they haven't been explained, because the behaviors she has and the actions she did weren't appropriate with the diagnosis). It annoys me so much. What if she had a diagnosis, she had no treatment, follow-up, therapy? Why was she left on her own? And like you say, I find it sad that the only trans character is the big bad, when we have no other representation in the serie.
- I won't talk about Ezra and his obsession with Allison, let alone his illegal relationship with Aria.
- Honestly, I do not understand the need to put the characters in couple, when it has nothing to do in their story. I honestly would have preferred that Aria and Hanna ended up alone at the end of the series, which shows that you don't have to be in a couple to be happy.
- I would have loved to have had Dr. Sullivan all seasons and have her do group and individual therapy with the girls. The evolution and complexity that it could have brought to the characters could have been awesome.
Again, sorry for the novel, haha. I agree with all the points you made in your video. They botched sensitive topics and it made me mad.
The thing with Hanna trying to pressure Shaun into sleeping with her - definitely shitty but came, I believe, from a deeper place to do with her own view of her self worth. It could have been a mental health and a consent conversation there
10 things I would change about pll:
1. aria and ezra being together until season 4 is okay to me, but ezra should've never gotten his job at rosewood high back. like, they were seen dancing at the masquerade and still? also how arias parents just dropped being against the relationship after like season 3. I think after the whole book thingy ezra and aria should've just stayed friends and aria should've ended up with someone like Jason or Jake.
2. Cut all the unnecessary love stories like the one with Ashley and Jason. Other than for the court thingy it added nothing to the show and only made me skip all those scenes during my recent re-watch.
3. Cut the whole Spencer and Caleb storyline out, to me it felt super forced and they had no real chemistry. Hanna had a fucking fiancée, that could've been the main struggle for haleb in the last two seasons, so why add Spencer into the mix. The whole Spencer thing kind of ruined haleb for me, because them ending up together was kinda rushed in season 7.
4. don't make emison endgame. their relationship never made sense to me, especially the whole pregnancy thing. Emily deserved so much better, have her end up with a brand new character, maybe somebody that is connected to the liars or A in some sorta way, but emison ending up together felt like such fanservice. their relationship should've ended in season 5 after they slept together and emily realised how messed up Ali still was
5. Make Emily bisexual like in the books. Even though Emily was great lesbian representation, I think making her bi and taking some of the storylines from the books that are tied to her being with guys (for example her whole abortion storyline) would've made for a far more interesting and less boring character. If a love triangle between the liars was really necessary it could've been between zltoby, em and spencer because unless caleb and spencer, toby and em had better chemistry.
6. Cut out the whole Ravenswood crap. It was so boring and weird to just throw in some random supernatural shit. Have one of the girls pull Ali out and let it be a big reveal or let it be Mona for all I care, the whole mrs Grunwald (???) thingy Was just stupid and lead nowhere. Instead of Caleb disappearing to Ravenswood he could've had to stay with his mom because he was kicked out of rosewood high or something, give him a horrible relationship with his stepfather or whatever, it would explain his alcohol problems.
7. have the girls repeat senior year. I think the whole 1 year in the show equals two seasons concept from seasons 1 and 2 was far better pacing than putting 3 months into 2 seasons. after the whole pills and Ali is alive thing, the girls should've all have to repeat senior year so we could have better pacing and it would've been more realistic.
8. send them all straight into therapy after the dollhouse. I just think that it wouldn't just have been way more realistic but also way more interesting to have them relive their trauma and ptsd in a therapy session, that way we could all get a more detailed insight into the dollhouse. maybe there could even be more flashbacks. most importantly: their trauma should've been treated better.
9. maybe this is more of a personal thing, seeing as hanna is my favorite character, but really explore her discomfort with Ali in season 5. explore her alcoholism and sexual assault in a better way. don't make her dress in those kinds edgy clothes only for her to bring back her more colorful clothes later. make her the odd one out that doesn't fit in with the show anymore and really dive into it. it would've made a great storyline. have the dollhouse bring her back to the group.
10. the probably biggest thing I would change about pll: have Alison be A all along. the A reveals with Mona and Cece can still happen for all I care, but let her be the main villain. she was alive all along and her friends have moved on, more importantly, the group of girls she has brought together seem to be better off without her. have Ali kill Bethany and use Cece and Mona as her dolls or something in order to seek revenge to her ungreatful friends. Ali was toxic and psychopathic in the flashbacks, so don't try to redeem her but use it and make her the bad guy.
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I agree with the most of it
But
1. Hannah should have never said she knows about the ezra and Aria thing she should have told it anonymous to the police
10. Aria should have been A and Mona and Cece how you call it Dolls without knowing for who they're working, which would make the Melissa trying to kill Aria thinking she is A plausible
Aria should have killed Allison the night of her disappearing because of the Jenna incident, she should have getting back shortly before Spencer
Not to mention Aria should have killed Maya because she found something which would reveal her as Alli's killer
right the predatory characters and the age gaps are gross. the only thing I really really hate about the show.. i can't even show pll to people i like because they'd be too grossed out to keep watching with the amount of pedo relationships, even if the show is one of my favorites
I will forever be sad that Mike wasn't given more story. he was very depressed. I wanted him and his uncle to at least be mentioned more
i’m so happy i found someone who makes long but still interesting pll videos
thankyou for watching them!!
I love that this chanel is becoming a pll analysis account
I was seriously upset about dropping the NAT club plot line. That was so creepy/ interesting ! And it was dropped for more random romantic subplots. Sigh.
I thought it was going to tie into the A thing and nothing happened. We never found out who the fifth member was.
If Mona was in the group she could have been the person to answer all the questions like she watched everything and knew so much like when they almost got killed in that fire and Mona was revealing what she knew like they could have shared so much more than that. Although Mona was a villain she was the most exciting for me with her intelligence like she had Calebs hacking skills plus she could get in and out of places
Also, the last time we ever see jason is him falling down an elevator and later disappearing from his hospital bed... it’s never addressed
is that actually the last time we see him bruh-
@@hotpinkminisk1rts as far as i remember, yes lol
@@vegankibum5975 thats sad that pll didnt address or show him again
@@vegankibum5975 wait actually i think he was shown afterwards seeing as that was when alison was gone and they were trying to figure out what happened to her and i believe we see him when shes back too, unsure though i need to rewatch
Jason comes back at the end of season 4, he doesn’t really do much though
I have practically grown up with pll and I have started re-watching it recently and I just see how messed up a good part of the relationships are now- I never was a big fan of Ezra-Aria relationship but even then, it was never because of their age-gap now I just feel disgusted when watching their scenes.
And the fact that Ella and Byron didn't ask Aria for more detail on that relationship just nerves me- Byron was really right on wanting to send Ezra away or call the police, but Ella kept making excuses on "that's how we raised her we shouldn't be surprised that's how it ended up", Ella KNEW it was a wrong relation and that Ezra was abusing Aria but yet she wanted "to understand" no parent should "want to understand" Even if Aria went mad at them, they. Should. Have. Called. The. Police.
The Wren-Spencer Thing also was quite disgusting- Her family should've blamed wren not Spencer since she's a literal CHILD and Melissa first on that ! All the parents in this serie do so bad even Ashley who knew Samara and yet let her go out with Emily !
I do really have preferred Mona as the fifth Liar, because I have never seen Alison as that nice girl they tried to make her to be in the redemption and she should've been A because to me she always had that Psychopathic way (i think its the right term please correct me if I'm wrong)
i completely forgot about the NAT club!! At one point, that was the plotline I was the most invested in! The story i created in my head was 100 times better than what we actually got, like damn, my Melissa, NAT club and Red Coat theories were emmy-worthy lol
THANK YOU - I hate that aria and ezra ended up together...rewatching as an adult - the show goes out of it's way to make their relationship okay....and they do it buy showing the other girls with adults but making it less romantic....aria was preyed on by ezra...and then to find outbhe knew her BEFORE they met?...I hate that he has no consequences and I REALLY hate that with all of her potentieal she ends up working as his editor...like she threw her life away for him....aria is a cautionary tale
I have a lot of questions abt the show haha
- how did Mona get Mary & Alex in that dollhouse like scene at the end
- who was Mona talking to when she said “ I never expected it to be you” & “are you here to kill me”
- the barrel in the storage unit
- why did Lesli have so many pairs of fake glasses
- who was the girl on the Halloween night that miss M helped
- CeCe’s roommate at UPenn
- who got Mary out of jail
- how did CeCe have so much money
- how did A in know abt medical care and stuff
- who was “C.cavanaugh”
- why wren gave CeCe a visitors pass at Radley if she was already a patient
- who was the beach hottie
For how Mona got Mary and Alex, the cop who arrested them, isnt a police men. He is shown at the end to be monas boyfriend, so when Mona said, that she called the cops she lied. She probably wanted her game back.
And the beach hottie was the cop who in the first Episode of the first season slept with Ashley, i dont remeber what his Name was. It was revealed somewhere down the way.
the way almost every adult on this show thought it was totally fine to date teenagers is insane. having ezra be apart of the nat club is so horribly brilliant, it would’ve made so much sense !! really love these videos. 👏🏻
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One thing I would change is that when they said they had another girl down there in the dollhouse, it would be Maya because then it would be a love triangle between Emily Maya and Alison!
I feel like for me I did like Aria and Ezra for a while but I was also a teen. Even being as young as I was at the time I really wish they would’ve broke them up for good when they found out his part in everything. The fact that he was dating Allison, writing the book etc. it was just a really creepy move to keep them together after that.
I watched this show when I was around 10 or 11 and their relationship literally made me think that it was okay. But now that I am older, I realized that it’s actually pretty gross. They really shouldn’t have romanticized the relationship.
@@nachogames101 they really shouldn’t have because it makes impressionable teens think it’s okay. I literally just got done a rewatch and I cringe so much. I really wanted her with someone else.
Wren is so strange storyline dated Melissa .. Liked Spencer Helped Cece against the girls . Moved to uk with Melissa and met with Alex which then she killed him... (he could told Spencer about his twin sis.
alison being the villain the entire time would have been awesome. i mean it’d be easy predictable but if she was the ultimate A it would have been the best plot twist EVER.
it would also explain why she was trying so hard to be nice.. to hide her being A
The way that Jenna was given redemption after she abused Toby always bothered me.
Yeah that really sickened me I hate it when shows and movies try to redeem a rapist because to me someone who does something like to a person is truly an evil person and there's no excuse to do that 🤯🤢🤮😡
I'm agree with so many things you said
- The Sara Harvey issues was really annoying. In season 4 it looks like something much more intresting about her. a girl from close twon that was like Alison and her clique was like copy paste of Alsion's gang (Sara - Alison, Tina - Aria, Claire - Hanna and Avrey - Specner). and she went missing around the same time. but eventually she character was useless, was another one of the usless Emily's love intrests. the actress really wasn't good and the character became a walking meme with the shower thing. the thing that everyone remember about Sara is the shower joke. I expected that both gangs would team up together to find out who A is. and the most suspicious thing about Sara: her hometown name is **Court**land. I mean, Courtland-Courtney, I hope there would be some connection to Courtney like turns out that Sara is Alison's twin but not an identicale one so there would be some twist about Courtney (being honest, I think Alison is the only character in the show that twin could work perfectly)
- Bethany was real f**k up story. in season 5 it seems she really an important character in the series lore. everything that was involved Bethany was a big deal like her roomate in radley, her sketchs book with the blonde girl with disfigured face. they hided her face all this time so I was sure there is something going on like she is someone's twin or she has scarred/burn face as a reslut of the Jenna Thing. I even wrote a theory that Bethany is Wilden's daugther. but when season 6 began, Bethany just became a plot device, a lame way to explain the body in the grave. the only way to make some justice with this storyline was to make her Mary's second child while her father is Kenneth. this way she could be in some methaporical way Ali's twin because their moms are identical twins and they have the same father. yet they did nothing with it. being honest, the only way to explain the dead girl in a good way is making her Courtney or Ali is dead for real (the show clearly wanted to go with this diraction in the first four season with so many evidances about Courtney's existence in the show but ins eason 5 they said "NO!" and scrapped her.
- about Red Coat, it was confrimed by both Vanessa Ray and Norman Backley that the real Red Coat was Cece. Sara was the fake one. she was Red Coat only when Cece needed her to be. Sara was red coat only in the night of the fire + season 6. Alison was the red coat in the night of the fire + the second red coat in Ravenswood. Hanna was red coat in the school. but every other Red Coat appearance during season three and four was Cece (+ the scene with Red Coat spying on Ashley and Ella in season 6. the only time Cece was red coat after season 4)
- I really hate how the Meredith storyline was a pure filler to make Byron look suspicious for three episodes. it was all the time that instad of reveal something to continue the plot they threw a red herring to fill the season. If they need so many fillers to fill the season, wouldn't it be better to have shorter seasons full of important stories and reveals?
- the romancr subplots were pain in the a**. it obvious that the girls will return to their offical love intrests. so why wasting so much screentime on the romance subplots? the biggest victim of this is Emily. after season 4, all her storylines were her meating random lesbian girl, being the shadow of this random lesbian girl until the breakup. isn't it ironic that desptie being a lesiban, her longest relationship was with Ben, a dude, while she replaces girlfriend like socks. the sad thing is that in the books Emily grown so mucha
- Agree about Aria. I think she is the biggest missed opportunity in the show. She seems like unique character. she loves arts, she is riting songs and stories, she loves black and white movies, she has unique fashion style (I love her gothinc look from the flashbacks so much) and she really cute. but 90% of her screentime is wasted on Ezra and if not Ezra so on other guys. The Ezria plot just dragged her to the wrong way and she became boring and in some cases annoying (i can't forgive her about her slutshaming on Hanna). and its sad becasue in the books she is such a great character. in fact she is my favorite liar in the books while in the show she was my least favorite (while with Hanna is the opposite. favorite in the show, least favorite in the books)
- The Noel thing is mess. I'm rewatching the show right now (my plan is rewatch only the first two season) and I think the original plan for Noel was to be part of the A team alongisde Mona and Lucas. What makes me think about it is his cameo in the season 1 finale when he was seen in the crown after the church incident wearing black hoodie. and Ian recognized the person who pushed him and said "what are you doing him" and Ian was Nole's caouch. but it was changed to Alison later on the show. another reason for the mess of his characer was Shana. if you don't know, Noel originaly had Shana's role. he was supposed to do everything Shanna did in season 4. he was the person who met Jenna in the park in season 2 finale. but Brant, the actor, could not be in season 4 because at the time he was in Days of our lives + dancing with stars. so Shanna was created in season 3 as his replacement.
- The NAT club thing was so weird. Once again it's a plot that was abandoned. we just find out about it existce and it was implied that big A wants to kill them. but it went to nowhere. just left and never talked about after season 3. if you ask me, I think the original intention of NAT CLUB was in their videos, that someone's camera recodred the death of Courtney but they never find out about this.
- Melissa is missed opportunity as well. during all the show they made Melissa so sketchy, shady and scary. but she was used to be a red-herring for everything. the only thing she was involved with was Bethany's death and even this was lame. after rewatching season 1, I think it's pretty clear that the idea of Melissa being the one who killed the victim was always planned. Saeason 1 really hint us like the rush wedding (as it was said married couple can't testify on each other) or what Melissa told Ian after their honeymoon and of course, Ian wanted to kill Spencer and blame her because his love for Melissa. So I'm sure that Melissa always intedted to be the killer of the victim, but the story was change. I think in the original plan, Melissa met Courtney, thought she is Alison and they both had phisycal fight. Melissa hit Courtney with the shovel out of self defense so she wore Toby's jacket and burried Courtney out of stress. Alison say the hooded person burried Courtney, thought it was A (who stalked her at the time) so she run away. but with scrapping Courtney and replacing her with Bethany, Melissa's story was changed and she became red-herring for everything
once again. great video :)
great points!
what was up with the little girl that appeared at the marin's house on Halloween
The part about hanna's ED is so truth
Younger me with bulimia only saw this as a Way to lose weight and then i could just stop when i wanted? Thats messed up.
Started watching your PLL videos yesterday. I'm obsessed with them. Could you do a video breaking down all the plot holes and worst stories please if you haven't already? Thank you
You're lovely, thankyou! I'm not sure I'd do that topic though because there are just too many plot holes, its exhausting
That’s so true 😂😂😂 if that’s the case could you potential do a video talking about its potential of Mental Health with Spencer’s pill addiction and Hana’s eating disorder. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
I wish people would recognize how amazing Lucy Hale is. She’s a queen.
She is an incredible goddess
Her acting career is not looking good, I'm sad for her. I think two shows that she's been on got canceled.
@@cherryblossom7120 she’s a great actress but hasn’t been lucky with movies or tv roles.
@@sabalvasan3796 she even had a brief singing career.
@@cherryblossom7120 I remember that and it was really good.
Throughout the show I always found it hard to buy the ages of the characters since they look, dress and talk like 20 something year olds, they even act like grown ups in their relationship with each other and with their partners. If I could change something It would have to be that, especially when it came to their relationships with older men, I would make it as creepy as possible really show the grooming going on. You could get tons of drama/blackmail from that. And dress them like teens, seriously who goes to school in high heels?
Well to answer a lot of your Alison questions, It seemed like at the start of the show they were following the books and it explains how they mistook Alison for being dead but clearly Marlene did not plan who A was at all and that's why Bethany Young's character made no sense whatsoever because she was just thrown in last minute to explain who's body it was.
The way I LITERALLY JUST CHECKED YOUR CHANNEL FOR THIS VIDEO LOL
🥰🥰 youre back!!
The grooming/predatory relationships in the show made me so uncomfortable as a teenager. I stopped watching the show after a few seasons because it just felt so wrong to me. I always hoped that Noel would have a subplot where he was genuinely looking out for Aria and followed through with exposing Ezra’s behaviour :/
The writers need to hire you for the reboot😅
hehe thankyou
it's so weird to look back on because obviously most of us were teenagers and i thought dating older guys is cool and all of that yk. but looking back it is really creepy. i feel like purely for nostalgic reasons part of me still roots for Aria and Ezra tho tbh. but yeah super creepy and like now as an adult i like remember omg i dated 20 year olds when i was 16 like the fuck?? and not to blame it all on PLL because so many other shows at the time had the age gaps with underage characters but it was def one of the reasons i thought that was okay.
Love your videos! I hated the way they treated Mona too, like, can’t you be nice for once?!?! And hated Emily’s wasted potencial too. You mentioned in another video how they could’ve made dancing her thing, and YES! How did they miss that opportunity??? After all, she lost swimming, she had nothing left to do and she was great dancing.
Yes I agree! She's an INCREDIBLE dancer- whyyyyy would you waste that opportunity??
I loved it when Hanna told Spencer that all of them had changed a lot, not only Mona
My new favorite TH-cam channel!! Thank you for taking a deep dive into PLL there is always something to talk about with this damn show lol
OMG love you
Not knowing why Noel helped A is the most frustrating.
so annoying!!
@@SerenaSkybourne ps LOVE your idea of AD being Aria and Ali. Makes way more sense.
I've been loving your PLL videos recently!! Would love to see a full video on Mona or Emily about how their characters were done so dirty
YASSS I'll do it!
your PLL video playlist is going to be my coping mechanism for life for the next few days hahaha these are so good!!
I thought Noel was going to play a big role also
I would’ve loved the writers to give us more background on Noel! He’s always intrigued me!! I also wish we knew why Noel was helping Alison hide then why he switched teams. Like why didn’t we get more background on Noel?! :(
i just watched all your pll videos im so obsessed!! now i feel like rewatching again
youre so lovely!!
I love how passionate you get with your rants
you are so cuteeeeee!!!
I’m so happy I found your channel the other day. Love the Pll series your doing
Welcome aboard!
I love your pll vids where you talk about the show. So so good! Especially how you think it should have ended. Refreshed the story for me 🥰 well done luv
Thank you so much!!
i just found your videos this morning and i am such a fan. it's about time someone did deep dive analysis' of pll on youtube.
awwwww 🧡
This video is so fun and relaxing.. love the idea that everybody is complexed by the shows decisions... so much potential
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This is like my 5th video based off pretty liars by you that I'm watching and I've still yet to see an episode of the series.
You're so GOOD
i really enjoy being able to relax and watch a pretty little liars video i actually enjoy and agree with :D for some reason your upload schedule always being regular is rlly calming to me as well lmao
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love your videos! I've found your channel recently and I totally love it. Keep up the great work 💕
Thank you! Will do! You're a gem
I just found your channel and I love it!! It's peaked my interest. I was wondering if you could do a video more about the Aria being A theory and hints we may have missed
they should have made bethany young sara harvey that would have been a better story plot the similarites of young bethany and sara harvey is uncanny
I found your channel a few months ago and I’m not ashamed to say I have watched and rewatched all of your PLL videos 5 times each - I LOVE THEM
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
plot holes don't always matter when they dont affect the story but in shows like pll the viewer is called to pay so much attention to every single little thing they see so for there to be SO MANY plot holes and storylines that lead to nothing is ridiculous
exactly, its a MYSTERY SHOW!
I think the girl could’ve REALLY utilized Mona by incorporating her in the group. She is so smart, so she could’ve been a great asset to their team. Can you do a video about all the plot holes? But go into depth about them too!? I love this series btw. I’m a big PLL fan :):)
ohhh i could do the plot holes but there are so many id worry id miss some!
@@SerenaSkybourne thank you for responding to me!!
@@Chickenlover1176 good ideas!!!
The few things from this show I still remember and wish didn't happen were Mona being treated horribly. Like she spent years trying to make it up to the girls and they just kept calling her crazy and driving her away. And then they were upset if she worked with Red Coat or AD. Seriously, you treated her terribly, so why would she want to be on your side. I also hated how they treated Noel. Like he didn't deserve to die. The girls never really treated him with much kindness or even gave him a chance. The only ones who did was Mona and the people that they hated. If the girls actually gave people a chance, then maybe they wouldn't have been targeted by people. Also they really should have talked to other people like their parents more. Of course if Aria and Alison were both AD then some of the complaints would make sense. I wish that they showed a less black and white portrayal for some characters like Noel. Yes sociopaths do exist, but not all bad people are one hundred percent bad. Let people be complex and grow, not decapitate them because you want to have a dramatic ending for the character. Have him at least go to jail and learn to be a better person, killing off characters is not needed in that way.
Thank you for continuing this series- it’s my entire life rn
lol it's taken over my life too
i love these videos! and i love that you say headmaster instead of principal 😭
awwww haha 😘
also can’t wait for your take on gossip girl!!
friendly suggestion to do gilmore girls at some point as well if you’ve seen it or feel so inclined :) i know it’s a ton of work to do rewatches and make these videos so please don’t take this as demanding (and i do appreciate the time you spend so much!!!). i think it’d be popular though-it has the cult following needed and it’s on US netflix currently so a lot of people have been rewatching it lately
I just found your channel and omg , ive just binged all your PLL videos, you have such a nice way of making these that I didnt believe you only had like 4k, I would've assumed at least 50k+ !! youre going to be massive I already know x
ahhh youre such a sweetheart 😭
i especially agree with the Noel thing, I mean, he could've been such a good character, and if they had done it right, him and aria would've been top tier. Plus Noel, Alison, and Aria could've all been A together.
hey!!!! i recently discovered your channel and I LOVE IT!!! I get so frustrated when i think about pll and the finale and season 6-7!!! so many clues and potential were wasted and lead to nothing and it would been iconic if Aria and/or Alison were -A because so many questions would be answered and when I rewatched I get SO frustrated. But I love talking about it so Im glad i found your channel!!!
aww im so happy to hear that xx
I think that they started playing with the Charles motif because way too many people guessed that cc was A.
Because The writers have said that they didn’t have a set plan so I kind of just think that they put a lot up in the air and a little boy that Allison knew when she was a little was one of those. They then decided to keep cc as A but just make her trans.
Serena can you do a video all about Ravenswood and why that was problematic Caleb’s character development?
also imagine sasha who played alison seeing the creepy relationship between aria and ezra and then being groomed herself by the guy who is now her creepy husband🙃
fun fact - hanna ends up with aria's brother in the books, aria ends up with noel, spencer with wren and i cant remember about Emily
What?? What happened with her now-husband?
@@Jess1Dash she basically knew him from when she was like 8 and the timeline of them dating is extremely sus. there are pics of them her being 12 and him at 19 and its just creepy as hell. he was her first boyfriend, like he was waiting for her to turn 15-16 and boom they are dating. if you scroll through her ig there is proof as well but i saw the full story on reddit
@@hidansektas thank you for that, it sounds so suspicious!
i just finished rewatching and now i’m early so hiii
hiiiii!!!
I love PLL I love your channel ❤️❤️ The thumbnail got me 😂😂
Video ideas
Ali should’ve been A explanation
Fashion analysis
How Mona deserve better!!!
Thanks for the ideas!
your channel is so amazing!!!! so glad to have found it!!!
So glad!
✨All these PLL videos are giving me life ✨
just subscribed to u today! really enjoying ur videos on pretty little liars🥰
Thanks for subbing! youre a sweetie