My understanding is that the label, "poacher's gun" was attributed to guns of this type because they could be disassembled (and hidden) and were relatively inexpensive. I understand that they were not advertised by the manufacturers as such. Great video.
the first gun reminds me of an old walking stick gun i saw years ago, the L shaped handle came off the barrel and the stock and action were clipped on in its place. As per an earlier comment "poacher gun" was used in the UK for any gun that could be disassembled/folded stored inside a coat and rapidly made usable. The foremost examples of poachers guns being the Belgian folding .410 hammer single and double barrels
For poacher weapons , they sure do have a Gentlemanly , some might even say : a “ Scholarly “ cast to them ; with more than a dash of romanticism thrown in aswell .
I've seen some rather uncommon guns and even shot an antique 36 gauge cane gun once, but have never seen such odd specimens like these before. Keep on bringing them on!
Some of these guns were made by individual rural Gunsmiths. The fact that its a 16 gauge suggests that it is European. By the way although rabbits were a pest in some parts and food in another, they were also a source of valuable fur and then were described as "Coney".
Interesting finds. The first one is very sleek and the front cocking trigger is just like what’s on the Spencer 1882 shotgun (the first commercially successful slide/pump action shotgun). I was wondering if that trigger appeared in other designs since it’s conveniently located for decocking and recocking. It sure would be nice to see the details of the action.
@@riseandshinejp that not, but maybe a gentleman's gun suitable for traveling. Disassemble it, put it in a case or bag and you can easily take it with you when you travel via train or coach. I could picture some nobleman going on a hunt with fellow nobles, or just shooting to pass some time before or after they attend some banquet at someone's residence
As a poacher in my younger days you would never shoot off a gun as it would tell a keeper exactly where you were and what you were doing. A lot of travelling guns were said to be poachers guns..
I've seen parts of these for sale at gun shows before, but I had no idea how they were supposed to be configured (the first 16 gauge, I mean). Both examples I distinctly remember were missing the rear part of the buttstock but had an almost 'key' like lock work. I've wondered for a couple years if there was another piece of buttstock that attached, or if it was designed to be mounted on something. I kind of thought it was designed to be locked into a fixture to test fire shotgun shells. Thank you for clearing up one of the minor mysteries I've come accross!
I agree with Jim, these guns get the moniker "poachers gun", because they can be easily broke down and concealed, as to the mahers intent, who knows, light weight break-down guns have a lot of uses. Poaching was quite lucrative at times so, the quality of these guns is not to surprising. I have a Spanish 410 double and an English single that fold in two and both were sold as a poachers guns. I personaly think it's more of a folk term than an actual gun made specifically for poaching. Great guns!! Thanks for sharing...
Great video. I have a poachers antique cane gun, looks just like a cane at 6 ft you would never know it was a gun. Takes a .44 cal shot cartridge , never figured out the exact one probably something like what marbles game getters used. Steel smooth bore barrel is hid inside a wood cane body. At the end has a fancy tip that looks like the end of a walking stick tip but is actually a screwdriver that of course you have to remove before firing. Has a black horn handle, turn the handle and pull it back and it exposes the action and Cocks it. The handle has small horn bumps and when cocked one of these protrudes, this is the trigger. When closed up nothing gives it away as not being just being a cane Apparently they were used especially in England ( I’m sure it is an English gun) to pot rabbets and birds while it looks like you are just on a walk. I have a take down muzzleloader similar to your guns, I heard them called “ buggy rifles”, compact guns that took down and would be carried in a buggy under the seat I suppose
Back in the day when I used to sell firearms for a living, I had a black gentleman in his late 50's, early 60's come in to look at things. He had a very nice three piece suit on, fancy watch, obviously had a lot of money and a taste for things of quality. I was staring intently at his cane, because he obviously didn't need it to walk with, and once he got close enough I spotted the hammer, which sat flush with the handle of the cane, and folding trigger in the handle. I asked him what caliber it was and, after a moment of surprise, he responded, "20-gauge. And you're the first person in the thirty years I've been carrying this in public to know what it was." He then showed it to me, it was very cool. The body of the cane, containing a steel barrel inside a wooden sleeve, detached by rotating, much like the shotguns in the video. The hammer is flush with the handle of the cane, only accessible via the knurling on it. Cocking the hammer makes the folding trigger pop out; there is no safety. The end of the barrel is covered by a rubber foot, common to most walking canes, and he informed me that he had blown several of them to bits to ensure it was safe to do so; they're readily available and easily replaced, keep the barrel from having foreign objects inserted while using it as a cane, and let it function as an actual walking stick. According to the owner, recoil was nasty, but the one and only time he used it in self-defense he never noticed the recoil; he just cocked the hammer, fired from the hip, and the muzzle blast surprised his would-be mugger enough that he ran away. He didn't intend to miss, but did even at close quarters. He kept a round of #4 buckshot loaded in it. Apparently he had it custom made in the early 80's by a gunsmith in Iowa, and it was registered as an AOW. Very cool. If I hadn't noticed that he clearly didn't need it to walk, I would never have looked at it closely enough to realize what it really was. He had another one made in .410 that he later sold. He was a very cool guy to talk to, and ended up buying a Sig Mk25 from me.
Wow! I never dreamed that such guns existed! The first one was a 16 gauge. What is the second one? I guess I missed that. These would be fantastic as collector pieces! Thank you for such a fantastic video, Mike!
The term Poachers Gun in England is any small calibre folding or dismantiling gun. Rabbits were introduced into UK by the Normans post 1066, or natural animal is the Hare. Rabbits were introduced into purpose built warrens, the term Warren and Coney are quite common in place names. One use of guns such as these was for carry on horse back, especially for dispatch of Deer when they stood at bay.
Could make a good survival kit gun for an aircraft, more bang than a .22, and, even though ammunition is heavier, you don't normally need hundreds of rounds in that situation, and the ability to take waterfowl, or even bigger game, with slugs, could be interesting...just a thought...
Greetings from Sweden, the first gun you showed looks very much like a groundskeeper gun I saw that had belonged to the church in Uppsala. The explanation I was given was that the groundskeeper hid the gun under his coat and took shoots at the Crows when they where noisy at the cemetery, the Crowd learnt that if they where silent he wouldn't shoot. The result was that when the groundskeeper had his cloak on at burials the birds where silent.
Wow, those are neat, i really like the 2nd one you showed, it could easily fit in a pillow case, very effective firearm to sneak out with . Thanks for showing these interesting furearms my friend. God Bless.
Try putting a fired case into the chamber. The chamber is cut to fit a fired shell (there needs to be room for the front of the shell to open). You can fir a 3" shell into a lot of 2 3/4 inch guns because an unfired 3 inch is close in length to a fired 2 3/4. Don't want to cause a pressure spike. Really enjoyed these guns.
16 gauge in particular you have to be careful with, the modern chamber standard was adopted later on the 16, most had short chambers into the early 30s.
Thank you for your video, I really enjoy your presentations but this one especially caught my attention as these two shotguns are so unique and quite beautiful in their simplicity.
Thanks Craig - pretty amazing guns these two - they surprised me with their elegant simplicity. If they were for poachers : the poachers went in style.
These types of gun were normally carried by poachers who would ware overcoats with special, secret pockets sewn on the inside to accommodate the gun when broken into its parts. The gun could be carried in public without anybody knowing the poacher had his gun with him and left his hands free for climbing over fences or setting traps. The coat usually also had a large pocket behind the legs to keep whatever the poacher had taken out of sight on his return journey to home. Bill. GB.
I think so Rich. A viewer of the video suggested it would be easy to fit other barrels and calibers on these. I think I'll do that. A .357 Magnum on the one with the push forward trigger cocking will be very fine and useful.
Never heard that one there aint nothing to dispatch when the hounds caught up with the fox. Every last scrap eaten i can assure you. Maybe master of stag hounds ?
Long coat,gun broken into parts..man opens his coat in the pub to reveal rabbits,pheasant duck,and gun in pockets sown into his long coat...beautiful examples,not seen one in many years..😊🇬🇧
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I think it's an early take down kinda thing. Poachers would love them,for obvious reasons!! But that is equally obviously factory made. Yeah,with the stock,it's an actual early pack gun,survival gun whatever you might call it.
In an alternate universe, this gun serves as the AR-15, and everybody has one. Not just this guy. And in that universe, he’s asking for help identifying an AR-15....
Particularly I do not like the mechanism of the chamber. But the idea of a barrel extension is quite usefull. Like it so much. Really for me a thing totally new.
Takedown guns were very popular in the past and I believe are gaining in popularity again. I know I like them! The little singe shot rifles are still popular and I don't know if Dakota still makes the traveler? Yours are very unique and beautiful.
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I'm guessing " poachers gun" was just a catch all term for take down guns. Those look like they would have been expensive. I doubt poachers could have afforded guns like that.
To me, they look like nice take-down models made for traveling, etc. Perhaps poachers preferred take-downs; easier to hide, some fit in a valice or whatever, so the name of poacher's gun got put on them for their attributes and not what they were designed for. My .02, but they're cool for sure. Thanks.
Hi Timothy - I'm amazed as well - I guess people are getting older and guns are coming out of closets and attics and basements or under floor boards....and I get a call : )
I saw a picture of a muzzleloading version of the second gun in a book once. The gentlemen had loops sewn inside his overcoat to hide all the pieces on his way to the forest.
Not sure if you're in the US but I'd be concerned about the second one being an NFA violation. The barrel section that goes into the receiver looks under 18"
Hi Jason - I know what you mean. : ) After filming I fired one of the old paper shells to test and not a grunt - I was surprised and maybe, lucky - the next round will tell. All the best.
In the mid 1800s to early 1900s poaching was actually quite popular in austria and southern Germany. While illegal it wasn't really something you'd to in secret, young men wore signs of it pretty open to flex on girls and their own friends. So in that time a fancy fun intended for poaching wouldn't have been all that unusual. Because of that time the word poaching gun is actually still used in german gun laws to discribe overly concealable long guns
More things I didn't know - thank you! In the context of European history I read somewhere that poaching meant too much land and too much game was restricted for royalty and the rich. I should have thought of Germany and Austria. I wonder if there are many hunting areas open to the public without heavy membership fees. When I asked a fellow collector he started laughing and said go to Russia or Romania - something like that - I can't remember. Thanks for writing.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns for hunting in Germany nowadays there are some options. First of all you need a hunting license, which relatively expensive to make. You have to take a course, the quickest option is a two week crash course. When you made it through the test (a shooting test, a multiple choice test and an oral exam about biology, weapons, traditions and dog training) you now need hunting land. The main options for that are 1. Own land. That's pretty unlikely, unless there's some old family owned land, since you need atleast about 185 acres outside of city limits. Which is expensive in a country as small and densely populated as Germany. 2. "rent" (the german word is "pachten" i don't know the exact translation, but renting is pretty close) from the owner of huntig land, most likely towns or states, but also private people and actually still some nobility. you get the right to hunt a piece of land (again atleast 185 acres) and use it in all ways that are necessary to hunt (setting up blinds, feeders, etc.). The downside to this is, that parts of this hunting ground will most likely used for farming and/or forestry (is that word correct? Woodproduction and stuff) and if you don't hunt the land properly you are responsible to pay the damage caused by the animals to the farmers. 3. You can make an agreement with someone who rented hunting land, in order to be allowed to hunt there. In most cases you pay a certain amount of money and are then allowed to shoot a certain amount of game. Such agreements might also involve a minimum of game you've got to hunt (to prevent damage to crops), helping with tasks like setting up blinds etc. All of this goes back to basically 1848, after the revolution (it failed but it set up some laws still active today, especially a relatively big portion of our constitution) the right to hunt was redistributed, from nobility to everybody who owned land, everybody being allowed to hunt on their own property. A lot has changed since then, especially regarding the needed qualifications, but the general rights to use hunting land is basically unchanged since then. To come back to the original topic, the reason southern Germany and Austria were poaching paradises is actually pretty straightforward. The alps. They made it really hard to control who hunted there and if you weren't caught with your game in one and the rifle in the other hand authorities pretty much looked away, since they knew they couldn't control it anyway. Short info on my person: I'm a german hunter, history teacher and ex-professional hunter trainee, so the topic is quite close to my heart :D Hope this makes sense, obviously English isn't my first language and while I'd say my English is okay, i usually don't talk much about property usage rights
Seems a complicated set up. Most old boys carried a folding .410 for the odd pot shot. In fact when our family went for sunday walks my father concealed a four ten like that under the mattress boards of the old fashioned prams back then. A quick look over a hedge for a sitting rabbit was part of the outing for us boys. No worry about the fleas from the dead bunny who was concealed in the same place lol
Oh as a assasin? Have to be pre sixties as those old Pedigree and Sivercross prams no longer used. Prince William and Katherleen were the last people i saw push one off those out. Lol
The game keeper for the aristocracy of England was quite important and they were highly skilled at what they did. But on the other hand the art of poaching to the common man to feed his family became quite interesting alsoSo these types of weapons were quite ingenious and could be hidden quite well to get the job done. That is my understanding.
Thank you Craig; one tends to feel for those having less. I read about some terrible penalties for poaching - even just a rabbit; such was the power of those with royal title.
those are made for traveling, easy assembly/disassembly, packs well. camping? visiting grandma for a couple of months? not what I would imagine as a low life's gun.
My understanding is that the label, "poacher's gun" was attributed to guns of this type because they could be disassembled (and hidden) and were relatively inexpensive. I understand that they were not advertised by the manufacturers as such. Great video.
Jim Ferro in the 1900 in Germany and Austria that was common
I was just going to say that.
the first gun reminds me of an old walking stick gun i saw years ago, the L shaped handle came off the barrel and the stock and action were clipped on in its place. As per an earlier comment "poacher gun" was used in the UK for any gun that could be disassembled/folded stored inside a coat and rapidly made usable. The foremost examples of poachers guns being the Belgian folding .410 hammer single and double barrels
They look like firearms that would have been carried by somebody who was a traveler. Very interesting! Thanks for sharing them with us!
A gopher poaching gardener, maybe?
Those are back pack guns they still made in one form or another
"This is our crime line." left my sides hurting from laughing. Thank you
For poacher weapons , they sure do have a Gentlemanly , some might even say : a “ Scholarly “ cast to them ; with more than a dash of romanticism thrown in aswell .
Absolutely my favorite firearm reviewer.
Thank you for your time.
Mike- I love how you find these wonderful odd firearms. Every one is such a terrific example to understand and appreciate. Great stuff!
I've seen some rather uncommon guns and even shot an antique 36 gauge cane gun once, but have never seen such odd specimens like these before. Keep on bringing them on!
Seems more like a survival shotgun.
Would be survival if you had to poach for your sustenance. As long as the Constable or Sherrif didn't catch you.
That’s a poachers gun
can you poach while surviving
a plastic chair it was low cost and could be broken down to be hidden.
I have a sweater exactly like that. Wish I had a gun like that instead! 😄 Always enjoy your videos.
Sounds like a trade could be in progress!!!!
Simply Amazing. Never Knew Anything like this ever existed. The question now which comes to my mind is "are their bigger firearm collectors than u"
it's probably called a poacher gun because it can be concealed. probably in a jacket.
It's this. Put it in a small hand case. Go out in the field with it your picnic basket.
Some of these guns were made by individual rural Gunsmiths. The fact that its a 16 gauge suggests that it is European. By the way although rabbits were a pest in some parts and food in another, they were also a source of valuable fur and then were described as "Coney".
Very cool. Great find. Those are the kind of unusual thing I'm always looking for.
Interesting finds. The first one is very sleek and the front cocking trigger is just like what’s on the Spencer 1882 shotgun (the first commercially successful slide/pump action shotgun). I was wondering if that trigger appeared in other designs since it’s conveniently located for decocking and recocking. It sure would be nice to see the details of the action.
Thanks, Mike! Super interesting! Your “Suppressor and a trijicon...” comment gave me a chuckle.
Looks like it would be marketed more as a survival gun like an ar-7 then a poachers gun.
Rise and Shine Yes, I agree. I don't think "survival guns" were a thing back then, but if it was being sold today, it certainly would be.
@@riseandshinejp that not, but maybe a gentleman's gun suitable for traveling. Disassemble it, put it in a case or bag and you can easily take it with you when you travel via train or coach. I could picture some nobleman going on a hunt with fellow nobles, or just shooting to pass some time before or after they attend some banquet at someone's residence
bill jones back then "prepping" was called life. Most of the "prepping" taught today was common knowledge in rural America.
I always look forward to a new video from you. Great youtube channel for sure.
These well made poachers’ guns are so very interesting. Thank you very much. I just saw your English SxS shotgun video. Again outstanding. Thank you.
Thanks for the words of support james!
As a poacher in my younger days you would never shoot off a gun as it would tell a keeper exactly where you were and what you were doing. A lot of travelling guns were said to be poachers guns..
I've seen parts of these for sale at gun shows before, but I had no idea how they were supposed to be configured (the first 16 gauge, I mean). Both examples I distinctly remember were missing the rear part of the buttstock but had an almost 'key' like lock work. I've wondered for a couple years if there was another piece of buttstock that attached, or if it was designed to be mounted on something.
I kind of thought it was designed to be locked into a fixture to test fire shotgun shells.
Thank you for clearing up one of the minor mysteries I've come accross!
There Saturday Afternoon Specials 😀😊 These Shotguns Are Quite Interesting Thanks For Sharing Them With Us USOG 😀
I agree with Jim, these guns get the moniker "poachers gun", because they can be easily broke down and concealed, as to the mahers intent, who knows, light weight break-down guns have a lot of uses. Poaching was quite lucrative at times so, the quality of these guns is not to surprising. I have a Spanish 410 double and an English single that fold in two and both were sold as a poachers guns. I personaly think it's more of a folk term than an actual gun made specifically for poaching. Great guns!! Thanks for sharing...
Thanks Mike
Fantastic finds, I'd hang on to those! Thanks for sharing 👍👍
Great video.
I have a poachers antique cane gun, looks just like a cane at 6 ft you would never know it was a gun. Takes a .44 cal shot cartridge , never figured out the exact one probably something like what marbles game getters used.
Steel smooth bore barrel is hid inside a wood cane body. At the end has a fancy tip that looks like the end of a walking stick tip but is actually a screwdriver that of course you have to remove before firing.
Has a black horn handle, turn the handle and pull it back and it exposes the action and Cocks it. The handle has small horn bumps and when cocked one of these protrudes, this is the trigger. When closed up nothing gives it away as not being just being a cane
Apparently they were used especially in England ( I’m sure it is an English gun) to pot rabbets and birds while it looks like you are just on a
walk.
I have a take down muzzleloader similar to your guns, I heard them called “ buggy rifles”, compact guns that took down and would be carried in a buggy under the seat I suppose
Back in the day when I used to sell firearms for a living, I had a black gentleman in his late 50's, early 60's come in to look at things. He had a very nice three piece suit on, fancy watch, obviously had a lot of money and a taste for things of quality. I was staring intently at his cane, because he obviously didn't need it to walk with, and once he got close enough I spotted the hammer, which sat flush with the handle of the cane, and folding trigger in the handle. I asked him what caliber it was and, after a moment of surprise, he responded, "20-gauge. And you're the first person in the thirty years I've been carrying this in public to know what it was." He then showed it to me, it was very cool. The body of the cane, containing a steel barrel inside a wooden sleeve, detached by rotating, much like the shotguns in the video. The hammer is flush with the handle of the cane, only accessible via the knurling on it. Cocking the hammer makes the folding trigger pop out; there is no safety. The end of the barrel is covered by a rubber foot, common to most walking canes, and he informed me that he had blown several of them to bits to ensure it was safe to do so; they're readily available and easily replaced, keep the barrel from having foreign objects inserted while using it as a cane, and let it function as an actual walking stick. According to the owner, recoil was nasty, but the one and only time he used it in self-defense he never noticed the recoil; he just cocked the hammer, fired from the hip, and the muzzle blast surprised his would-be mugger enough that he ran away. He didn't intend to miss, but did even at close quarters. He kept a round of #4 buckshot loaded in it. Apparently he had it custom made in the early 80's by a gunsmith in Iowa, and it was registered as an AOW. Very cool. If I hadn't noticed that he clearly didn't need it to walk, I would never have looked at it closely enough to realize what it really was. He had another one made in .410 that he later sold. He was a very cool guy to talk to, and ended up buying a Sig Mk25 from me.
Wow! I never dreamed that such guns existed! The first one was a 16 gauge. What is the second one? I guess I missed that. These would be fantastic as collector pieces! Thank you for such a fantastic video, Mike!
Really cool guns. I would not mind adding something like that to my collection
Thank You I always enjoy ur videos . I've never seen anything like them .
The term Poachers Gun in England is any small calibre folding or dismantiling gun. Rabbits were introduced into UK by the Normans post 1066, or natural animal is the Hare. Rabbits were introduced into purpose built warrens, the term Warren and Coney are quite common in place names. One use of guns such as these was for carry on horse back, especially for dispatch of Deer when they stood at bay.
Could make a good survival kit gun for an aircraft, more bang than a .22, and, even though ammunition is heavier, you don't normally need hundreds of rounds in that situation, and the ability to take waterfowl, or even bigger game, with slugs, could be interesting...just a thought...
Yes i think it was advertised as part of there cime line LOL . Your delivery is the best .
😂 I had to laugh myself. Thank you so much.
Greetings from Sweden, the first gun you showed looks very much like a groundskeeper gun I saw that had belonged to the church in Uppsala. The explanation I was given was that the groundskeeper hid the gun under his coat and took shoots at the Crows when they where noisy at the cemetery, the Crowd learnt that if they where silent he wouldn't shoot. The result was that when the groundskeeper had his cloak on at burials the birds where silent.
That should be in a movie! Thank you Den! All the best to you in Sweden. I'll get a cloak : )
It's strange to me that they would demonetize a channel that provides entertainment and useful information.
Very well made. So simple and function
Wow, those are neat, i really like the 2nd one you showed, it could easily fit in a pillow case, very effective firearm to sneak out with .
Thanks for showing these interesting furearms my friend.
God Bless.
Try putting a fired case into the chamber. The chamber is cut to fit a fired shell (there needs to be room for the front of the shell to open). You can fir a 3" shell into a lot of 2 3/4 inch guns because an unfired 3 inch is close in length to a fired 2 3/4. Don't want to cause a pressure spike. Really enjoyed these guns.
Good advice - these seem to be 2 3/4 - could be 2 1/2 but I can't see a chamber ledge.
16 gauge in particular you have to be careful with, the modern chamber standard was adopted later on the 16, most had short chambers into the early 30s.
Thank you for your video, I really enjoy your presentations but this one especially caught my attention as these two shotguns are so unique and quite beautiful in their simplicity.
Thanks Craig - pretty amazing guns these two - they surprised me with their elegant simplicity. If they were for poachers : the poachers went in style.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns indeed they did.
These types of gun were normally carried by poachers who would ware overcoats with special, secret pockets sewn on the inside to accommodate the gun when broken into its parts. The gun could be carried in public without anybody knowing the poacher had his gun with him and left his hands free for climbing over fences or setting traps. The coat usually also had a large pocket behind the legs to keep whatever the poacher had taken out of sight on his return journey to home. Bill. GB.
Thanks Bill - I had no idea such coats existed. I'll see if I can find one. Just teasing : )
Very interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing. Really like the exposed hammer one
What a novel concept. Thanks for sharing. I wonder if the name Poacher could be related to the concealability due to the takedown features.
I think so Rich. A viewer of the video suggested it would be easy to fit other barrels and calibers on these. I think I'll do that. A .357 Magnum on the one with the push forward trigger cocking will be very fine and useful.
Thank you. I love learning about early simple weapons. Great backpack choise 👀👍🤠💒
Those guns are great,, i sure would love to own either of them, i love old guns way more than the new stuff made nowadays....
Me too Bryant - guns and scopes from the past are usually so well made. Newer items are quite often very effective and in a short time - disposable.
I would like him to do an episode on a punt gun.
The Master of the hounds would carry a dispatching firearm in his horse pack.
Never heard that one there aint nothing to dispatch when the hounds caught up with the fox. Every last scrap eaten i can assure you. Maybe master of stag hounds ?
@Annabel The Unicorn likely to dispatch injured hounds, not the kill.
You talk out of your arse
Catalogue "This is our crime line" LMAO!
Long coat,gun broken into parts..man opens his coat in the pub to reveal rabbits,pheasant duck,and gun in pockets sown into his long coat...beautiful examples,not seen one in many years..😊🇬🇧
Well put Mark - special and unusual guns for sure. All the best.
Been to many gun shows never seen or heard of these ! Seriously
Pretty strange guns Michael - I like them a lot : )
Someone tell the Turks to start making these again in 20 and 28 gauge!!!!
Compact traveling guns. Easily packed away.
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Thank god you rescue these unique firearms, I like the 4 PC one slightly better, the original backpack gun, thx for the vid.
I love the modern firearms I have but this guy got me thinking outside the box 🇺🇸
Thanks Bear - glad you're here.
"This is our crime line"....hahahahaha!!!
Thank you, I'm sure I wouldn't have seen this anywhere else. A total gun ban won't work, people will make them! Keep it up please. Mark Richardson
So true - guns are not difficult to make.
That is why they will go after ammunition. Cabelas is being sued in NY I think for selling 45 ACP ammo to an 18 y.o. who negligently shot someone .
Wow, those are really cool. I've never seen shotguns like that before.
And great channel too!
Thank you! Your words encourage me - and the shotguns really are something!
That was cool, loved it.
I think it's an early take down kinda thing. Poachers would love them,for obvious reasons!! But that is equally obviously factory made.
Yeah,with the stock,it's an actual early pack gun,survival gun whatever you might call it.
this reminds me of the assassins gun in the film day of the jackal
In an alternate universe, this gun serves as the AR-15, and everybody has one. Not just this guy. And in that universe, he’s asking for help identifying an AR-15....
😂😂...so true. And actually, I lost track of all the different ARs - I had the Colt and a DD - and then it all went fuzzy.
Yet is it the four barrel and 2 lock Flint lock rifle that I'm working on?
I have to much time on my hands
I think they are both intended as a survival shotgun easily stored in a backpack..
They'd be perfect. Good thought.
Particularly I do not like the mechanism of the chamber. But the idea of a barrel extension is quite usefull. Like it so much. Really for me a thing totally new.
Those remind me of a "Huntsman's" shotgun. Check with Ian, he might have more info.
Awesome find!!!!
Very interesting rare single shot gems.
That’s really cool
Very interesting ,,,,,, and very bizarre shotgun too 😁
Maybe they broke down so quickly that poachers use them to poache.
Probably true
the second poachers gun wouldn't look out of place in a poacher's duel.
Takedown guns were very popular in the past and I believe are gaining in popularity again. I know I like them! The little singe shot rifles are still popular and I don't know if Dakota still makes the traveler? Yours are very unique and beautiful.
the henry AR-7 is the modern equivalent and in my opinion it is one of the nicest looking modern firearms out there
I love that first one as well... TH-cam has a lot of nerve. I got an Anti-gun Joe Biden ad right in the middle of the video.
Hahahaha - Biden! - I asked him not to run ads on my show! But no....
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Well, I supposed if Biden spent all of his ad money on the people who watch your channel and others like it, he would just be wasting it. Not anything he can say will change my mind about him.
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How unique... thank you!
I'm guessing " poachers gun" was just a catch all term for take down guns.
Those look like they would have been expensive.
I doubt poachers could have afforded guns like that.
To me, they look like nice take-down models made for traveling, etc. Perhaps poachers preferred take-downs; easier to hide, some fit in a valice or whatever, so the name of poacher's gun got put on them for their attributes and not what they were designed for. My .02, but they're cool for sure. Thanks.
You bet - very nice traveling guns and poaching involves traveling too.
The checkering layout on the first gun resembles the early 99 Savage.
That's it OG - I wondered why it seemed familiar.
Where in the world do fine these firearms????? So awesome!
Hi Timothy - I'm amazed as well - I guess people are getting older and guns are coming out of closets and attics and basements or under floor boards....and I get a call : )
I saw a picture of a muzzleloading version of the second gun in a book once. The gentlemen had loops sewn inside his overcoat to hide all the pieces on his way to the forest.
Very interesting - I'm going to do more research - I had not thought of a muzzloading version. Thank you so much!
Not sure if you're in the US but I'd be concerned about the second one being an NFA violation. The barrel section that goes into the receiver looks under 18"
Good point - one has to be sure of the laws.
Very cool video. I wouldn't want to shoot a 2 and 3/4 inch shell out of that 16 gauge. Lol
Hi Jason - I know what you mean. : ) After filming I fired one of the old paper shells to test and not a grunt - I was surprised and maybe, lucky - the next round will tell. All the best.
Very interesting gun
In the mid 1800s to early 1900s poaching was actually quite popular in austria and southern Germany. While illegal it wasn't really something you'd to in secret, young men wore signs of it pretty open to flex on girls and their own friends. So in that time a fancy fun intended for poaching wouldn't have been all that unusual. Because of that time the word poaching gun is actually still used in german gun laws to discribe overly concealable long guns
More things I didn't know - thank you! In the context of European history I read somewhere that poaching meant too much land and too much game was restricted for royalty and the rich. I should have thought of Germany and Austria. I wonder if there are many hunting areas open to the public without heavy membership fees. When I asked a fellow collector he started laughing and said go to Russia or Romania - something like that - I can't remember. Thanks for writing.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns for hunting in Germany nowadays there are some options. First of all you need a hunting license, which relatively expensive to make. You have to take a course, the quickest option is a two week crash course. When you made it through the test (a shooting test, a multiple choice test and an oral exam about biology, weapons, traditions and dog training) you now need hunting land. The main options for that are
1. Own land. That's pretty unlikely, unless there's some old family owned land, since you need atleast about 185 acres outside of city limits. Which is expensive in a country as small and densely populated as Germany.
2. "rent" (the german word is "pachten" i don't know the exact translation, but renting is pretty close) from the owner of huntig land, most likely towns or states, but also private people and actually still some nobility. you get the right to hunt a piece of land (again atleast 185 acres) and use it in all ways that are necessary to hunt (setting up blinds, feeders, etc.). The downside to this is, that parts of this hunting ground will most likely used for farming and/or forestry (is that word correct? Woodproduction and stuff) and if you don't hunt the land properly you are responsible to pay the damage caused by the animals to the farmers.
3. You can make an agreement with someone who rented hunting land, in order to be allowed to hunt there. In most cases you pay a certain amount of money and are then allowed to shoot a certain amount of game. Such agreements might also involve a minimum of game you've got to hunt (to prevent damage to crops), helping with tasks like setting up blinds etc.
All of this goes back to basically 1848, after the revolution (it failed but it set up some laws still active today, especially a relatively big portion of our constitution) the right to hunt was redistributed, from nobility to everybody who owned land, everybody being allowed to hunt on their own property. A lot has changed since then, especially regarding the needed qualifications, but the general rights to use hunting land is basically unchanged since then.
To come back to the original topic, the reason southern Germany and Austria were poaching paradises is actually pretty straightforward. The alps. They made it really hard to control who hunted there and if you weren't caught with your game in one and the rifle in the other hand authorities pretty much looked away, since they knew they couldn't control it anyway.
Short info on my person: I'm a german hunter, history teacher and ex-professional hunter trainee, so the topic is quite close to my heart :D
Hope this makes sense, obviously English isn't my first language and while I'd say my English is okay, i usually don't talk much about property usage rights
Seems a complicated set up. Most old boys carried a folding .410 for the odd pot shot. In fact when our family went for sunday walks my father concealed a four ten like that under the mattress boards of the old fashioned prams back then. A quick look over a hedge for a sitting rabbit was part of the outing for us boys. No worry about the fleas from the dead bunny who was concealed in the same place lol
😁😁😁 Love the "gun in pram" method! Should be in a movie!
Oh as a assasin? Have to be pre sixties as those old Pedigree and Sivercross prams no longer used. Prince William and Katherleen were the last people i saw push one off those out. Lol
Very unique
Very interesting firearms thank you for the video
The game keeper for the aristocracy of England was quite important and they were highly skilled at what they did. But on the other hand the art of poaching to the common man to feed his family became quite interesting alsoSo these types of weapons were quite ingenious and could be hidden quite well to get the job done. That is my understanding.
Thank you Craig; one tends to feel for those having less. I read about some terrible penalties for poaching - even just a rabbit; such was the power of those with royal title.
Cool video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Eric - amazing guns - whatever they were designed for. I'm thinking of a .357 barrel for the one with 2 triggers.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns welcome
I love that 4 piece shotgun. Quite rare and interesting. Are you in Canada or the States?
Why would that second shot gun in it's short configuration not be considered a short barrel shotgun ? Or would it?
I'm not sure - I've never quite understood how all the details work. They are both very old.
You cannot tell chamber length with a loaded shell. The length that matters is the fired one.
Thank you Joseph!
Today you can get something like that and they are called a back pack gun.
I like the Boito hiker and you're right - there are a number of break opens and a couple on interesting Turkish products.
Perfect umbrella or walking stick gun
I agree - someone should make these again.
Sword canes are still produced, and some years ago i read about an airgun cane.?
those are made for traveling, easy assembly/disassembly, packs well. camping? visiting grandma for a couple of months? not what I would imagine as a low life's gun.
The second one , would make a backpackers gun
I put it in my backpack to test - you're right ; perfect.
They were probably advertised as bicycle guns.
Very cool never seen one now I need to get one LOL
What gage was the 2nd shotgun ? Looked to be a 12, but not sure...
It can do that; it just doesn't want to.
This guy looks like that gun store npc
Hi Mr. Potato, That guy here : ) I'll have to look for the gun store npc. Cheers.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns lol lmao
I know a guy who uses a .17 HMR rifle for garden pests.
just great 16s!!,. the best shotguns thank you, nice video,.