Outdoor watch review - Sugess moonphase chronograph ST1908
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- another sniffle or two as i fight my allergies to bring you a review of my Sugess moonphase chonograph.
it has the Seagull ST1908 movement
correction: the Hemsut strap tapers from 22mm down to 20mm
my video showing closeups of setting subdials:
• Sugess moonphase chron...
this watch can be found on Ali Express other models i mention can be found if you search "Sugess Chronograph"
I love st19 movements and have a huge fascination with them and I bought this.
One thing to keep in mind is that st19 movements Chrono first clutch gear is it's not supported on top, so it springs a little, which can result in the Chrono second hand being a little jumpy. It keeps absolutely perfect time, it isn't skipping teeth, but it does look weird. Just something to know.
Beautiful timepiece, I have my eye on the blue one. I am buying this watch purely for the movement and I love that they added 2 more complications to make this for me the "poor man's" Longines Master Collection equivalent... almost.
Gorgeous piece and I just ordered! You helped convince me. Thanks for sharing 😊
I'm looking at a totally different looking watch, but has the same movement. Thanks for the insight
I have that exact watch for a few years now, works fine apart from the chono pusher that doesn't spring back easily, I need to "pull" it a bit, but not all the time. Other than that it's been working nicely. The chrome steel picked a few mini scratches, but next to invisible. So apart from the push button issue, it's been working nicely for perhaps 3 or 4 years now (can't remember) and I've been wearing it quite a bit. Another thing is the winder is a bit "stiff" to wind, but again not been a problem so far. I suspect someone could take it apart and lubricate it easily enough, and perhaps I'll find someone to "service" it at some point. Oh, the butterfly clasp and the bracelet are actually very nice!
I understand they don't lube it during the assembly, lube it it'll be fine.
Are you pulling it with some lubricant 😮
Excellent job on the review! Beautiful watch and band.
Amazing channel, the watches you show off and your personality is a home run for me. Instant sub! Can't wait to binge your videos :D
Also wooden toothpicks work for the small pushers. Don't use a large screwdriver or something - it looks like they are 3mm etc across but only the tiny middle portion moves.
I bought this Sugess chronograph. I had to open it and adjust the eccentric of the second clutch gear. I had to adjust the balance spring stud (beat error) and index (daily rate) and right after that all was fine...until today. The watch came 3 weeks ago with an amplitude of 290 degrees which is fine. Today the amplitude is barely 200 degrees. The watch was not oiled properly. Screws of the back are damaged. Someone at the factory didn’t use the adequate screwdriver. I’m tired of low quality Chinese manufacturing.
sounds terribly frusterating. I know mine has the jumpy chrono second hand problem. have you tried contacting them about it as a warranty issue since it is so new? just wondering if they would consider that not running within spec and offer replacement or repair? I have no idea how well Sugess handles warranty issues
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 I have contacted them since I received the watch. Having solved by myself the beat error, daily rate, and jumpy chronograph issues all was fine...until the loss of amplitude because of bad oiling or no oiling on important parts. Amplitude went down from 290 to 170 degrees. After cleaning and oiling the upper and accessible balance stone I gained 30 degrees. The amplitude is now around 200 to 220 in all positions. I have to disassemble the watch completely, do the servicing myself. Sugess told me I can’t return the watch because I opened it. Otherwise you can return the watch for free within 15 days. After that you can return the watch but they don’t support shipping. I don’t expect anything from these Chinese micro brand. They buy movements and case them with very low quality expectations. If it runs it’s OK.
If you buy on AliExpress as I did, with coupons giving you a better price, they send you the bad quality watches they have.
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 I’ll do the servicing myself, I am a watchmaker. I’ll do a better job than theirs
@@JPTRAN yeah sounds like you know whats going on. A movement this complicated looks amazing to me, but also very intmidating to work on.
I applaud your patience
So, man, what do you think, it is really worth the money? Thanks s lot
It's been 2 yes since u reviewed this watch
Is the watch working fine ??
Are there any issues::?
I just asked the same question .
The watch I bought had some oiling issues. Too much oil in some places and no oil in others . The escapement wheel oil sink was overflowed. Palets where completely dry and dirty . I had to fix that.
Now amplitude is over 300, beat error is 0.0 ms, daily rate is around +4 s.
Shame to Sugess factory and Sugess watchmakers.
Thanks for the update, shouldnt have to fully service a new watch 🙄
That's a nice Chrono, at first I thought the dial said Sinn script instead of Sugess 😆
Beautiful watch! I have the same one coming with the cream dial!
Thank you so much for this video.... i always wanted to know what it looked scaled to normal hands.... i am ordering one as a reward for a small accomplishment this wednesday.... will get a cream dial with roman numerals.... black strap and silver steel.... again thanks so much for the video :)
This watch with power reserve indicator instead of a moon phase would be a perfect watch for me. Everything you need, nothing you don’t
Just ordered one, swan-neck regulator was only a tenner more with coupons.
Sweet, they only had the swan neck avail with some of the other models when i got mine😢
I hate the non hacking part. I know a Chinese mechanical isn’t going to be the most accurate but I do like to set my NH35s every couple of weeks to the second
So appreciate this video. Thanks! J
Sorry if this is a stupid question but are the date/moonphase features of the watch apart of the movement functionality or are they independent and have to be manually adjusted daily for accurate information?
In other words, come midnight will the date/moon phase change by its self or will I have to remember to do it myself every morning?
As long as you remember to hand wind the movement every morning to top it off, all those things will continue to track with the movement of the watch. except for the normal oddball months that don't have 31 days but luckily with the external side button to advance its easy to keep up with that.
Yeah, when you wake up in the morning, you need to manually move the date over and tweak the moonphase a bit and then set the time again.
Nice watch, seems to be good value. If I add a moonphase I'd consider it
Do you still own it? How abt time keeping accuracy.. thanks for the vid, man.. 🙏👌
You convinced me to spend 140eur on the black friday sale. Got the original m199s dail though.
Do you still have this watch if so how's it holding up I'm thinking of buying one ?
@juniorjohnson5961 yup it is a keeper for the collection, still works
Don't have it in the rotation that often, as I am normally wearing my sports watches that take a beating
Nice watch. It seems that the central chronograph second hand doesn’t sweep as it should. It’s somewhat jumpy and not fluid. I had to open a Merkur Pierre Paulin chronograph (ST1901) with the same problem. I made some adjustments with the eccentric screw of the clutch gear wheel . That’s a recurrent quality problem on these Chinese watches .
I had noticed the jumpiness of the second hand and was worried there wasn't a fix, thanks for your input
Looking to get this exact watch. Just deciding between the steel & the gold. The hands & indices seem really dark on steel version. How do they look in person?
I tried to show realistically how it looks in my outdoor videos and not artificial lighting in perfect studio conditions.
And i always go for steel over gold or rosegold plated just because i dont trust the plating to hold up over time with wear.
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 For sure. I totally get what you mean about the plating. I do see the hands reflect when hitting the light, but in general seem darker than steel. Are they like a gun metal color? Thanks for your reply
@@BiOnyx. they are just polished steel and match the case. Not a darkened color.
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 Thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be grabbing a stainless steel. Cheers!
Is it 12mm thick? because it looks much thicker. Thank you for the video
I get 13.3mm to the top of the domed Sapphire, Case itself is 12mm.
40.9 W, 48.5 L to L, 22mm Lugs
cant always trust the dimensions given on Ali sites
I’m thinking of buying this watch does it come with warranty from the seller you bought it from or was the warranty card left blank like other sellers
i just checked my boxes for you and i have 2 Sugess boxes both with nice books mentioning a factory warranty and to have your proof of purchase. and 1 had an unfilled out card like you mention. but i would assume if you contact the seller and ask about warranty before hand, they should have a better answer for you.
Hey what's your experience with that beauty right now?
Im struggling to choose between that and Seiko 7T36, specially because 7T36 was Vintage model so I'm afraid I can't find one with perfect condition, and with that sugess watch I can get brand new but how about the QC?
Thank you!
I have noticed my second hand sweep (chronograph hand) is a little jittery or skippy. not by much and I hadn't noticed until a viewer pointed it out. I have seen other reviews of this Seagul movement and theirs were ok. overall it is still a beautiful textured dial up close and for the money one heck of a deal. I am pleased with both my Sugess watches and love showing off the intricate movements
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 thank you, I probably consider it more.
Subscribed to you! You really talk about hidden gems here
Can I ask what you got underneath Seiko six I like the case
I Had to go back and watch the video to see which one you are asking about.
in the beginning I have the Seiko Flightmaster and below that is the Sugess Gustav Becker skeleton watch. unless you are talking about later in the video where I am comparing white dials in which case under My black Seiko SKX is my San Martin Retro datejust homage with the marble dial. both of which i have filmed reviews for . thanks for checking out my channel
If you bought it off their website you could have gotten any complication with goose neck/swan neck by selecting it on the dropdown tab.
That wasnt an option back when i got it :(
They had different models that had the gooseneck, but i wanted this one
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 Oh, I see. I just bought mine today so I thought it was always like that. Well it's still a pretty decent watch without the goose neck. Can't wait to receive mine😁
Was there something more than just winding the watch when you got it to make it work?
After winding, the small seconds hand subdial should start working. As long as the crown is pushed in of course.
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 It actually took a rather way to hard of wack to get it going. I tried shaking it then i tried shaking the snot out of it with no results. Dropped it kind of hard the last time i was shacking it and off to the races it went. lucy me everything else seems ok.
@@johnleonard3951 phew... thats wierd. Well off to the races then
But yeah totally not normal if you have to do that everytime you get it running there is a major problem
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 Update, After it died winding it started it right back up.
Nice review, and a beautiful watch, I'm disappointed you didn't talk much or demonstrate the Moon Phase complication
Thanks, and yeah someone else pointed that out also.
so I shot them a quick video showing how to set that, and close ups you can check it out here:
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I'm planning to buy this watch, does yours still works well? 'cause I'm concerned on how long will I be able to keep it.
It's not my daily driver but yes it is holding up well
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 thanks to use this as my daily driver though.
BTW is the swan neck regulator a big deal?
@@genernicolasjr.6145 depends if you plan on opening it and regulating the movement or not. Mine is pretty good less than 10sec per day so not worth removing all the little screws to mess with it. If you are all about fine tuning your movements after you have broken them in for awhile then a swan neck sure would make that easier
Is the date and moon movement powered or do you move it each day with the pusher
The date and moon phase advance automatically the pushers are just for setting
If you ever get a watch you have to set manually you got scammed lmao. Idk maybe old watches are like that but... Anything over 200 dollars that's modern will run the complications from mainspring.
Well duh! After midnight each day you need to manually move the date and time. I like using a toothpick that I tape to the back.
This has been in my aliexpress cart for a month and a half...
I assume you are just waiting for the next sale?
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 possibly... I think my reservation is that it's a hand wind as opposed to an automatic
@@jaer.6540 that keeps the watch much thinner and lets you see the movement without the rotor in the way 👍
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 I actually prefer thicker watches, and I believe this one is 13mm thick? Either way, I'll get it at some point... Xmas gift for myself!
The chronograph second hand seems really jumpy in the video at 4:35 to 4:40. Is it like that in real life?
it is a bit jumpy. i wonder if they are all like this? i should watch more videos with these movements to compare
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 Thank you. Yes I’ve watched other Seagull movements do the same. I’ve even read an article on movements that behave like that but can’t locate it and have a miyota that behaves that way. It’s quite cute on my miyota but I’m not sure I like it in a Chronograph.
Had you noticed it before I mentioned it??
@@joefagan9335 it is about the cheapest mechanical Chronograph movement available, so i am not expecting the world. I hadn't really noticed before you mentioned it. Luckily the second hand subdial is nice n smooth
The eccentric screw of the clutch gear wheel is badly adjusted. That’s a recurrent problem on the ST19 movement series. It can be easily adjusted by a local watchmaker. I did it myself
Does the moonphase work well
Yup, it is a unique complication. maybe not the most practical to have to look up the correct phase to set but neat. I dont bother setting it when i wear this watch because it is so nice and i only wear it occasionally on weekends.
Спасибо! Хорошие часы! Но вы не показали работу механизма: переключение даты, фазы луны, ускоренную корректировку даты!
Я упомянул 2 кнопки, которые находятся заподлицо с левой стороны корпуса, регулируют дату и фазу луны. верхний - на день, а нижний - на лунную фазу. Заводная головка на этих часах заводится вручную при нажатии и имеет только 1 выдвинутую позицию для установки времени.
Было бы лучше просто показать, как это происходит, когда я их подталкиваю, спасибо за совет. Я покажу это таким образом в моем следующем видео моего голубого карнавала со всеми его дополнительными циферблатами, которые я собираюсь снимать в следующий раз.
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777 , спасибо друг! :) Ваш ответ очень впечатляет! Важно показать как переводится дата при вращении стрелок! Дата может перескакивать очень быстро, а может переползать очень медленно! Показывайте работу часов в своих будущих видео! Это делают очень мало пользователей!
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A golf tee for pushing the pushers...
4:12 the curve on the seconds hand is not there. It’s an illusion because of the curved sapphire.
Really? Have you had one apart? Cause in person it really looks curved or bent down
The minute hand also looks curved, and i believe they actually are. Based on how the hand itself reflects the light
No it really is bent I've seen it. Makes it closer to the dial and more accurate reading
Yeah, you got to change it manually each morning as well as the time😂🙄
@ratdad48 as long as you wind your watch every day as part of your routine, everything advances as it should. Manual wind watches aren't for everyone though
@@wymanscorneroftheworld8777Haha. Sorry, my comment was a reply meant to be sarcastic to some guy who asked if you need to manually set the calendar daily. 😂 I thought his question was too dumb to ignore. I'm a watch collector with 55 pieces....... I have this watch and love it.
I think they all look great but the question boils down to quality. How it is in terms of quality? If people had no doubt about its quality and serviceability, they would fire away with those overcharged (scam) Swiss made watches. They literally rip off loyal customers, charging 5k for a decent watch. Disgusting.!
Yeah thats the trade off
Like you get a good bit of sports car with a mustang gt but it aint exactly an overpriced high maintenance Lamborghini
That is not a moon phase movement. It is only a useless day or night movement.
That's a moonphase
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yup a working moonphase, seperate button on side adjusts it and i believe its 29 pushes
Steven stop making stuff up.
It has a 59 tooth wheel for a 29.5 day moon cycle.