This is just so disgusting to watch....lebron James cannot be mentioned in the same breath as his fairness. If lebron played in his fairness era he would never win a ring just like the rest of them
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is extremely underrated when it comes to the greatest of all time talk. The dude was unstoppable on offensive and a beast on rebounds, blocks, and defense.
Here’s something about centers in the nba. They’re usually much taller than everyone else, longer arms, they are closer to the basket. They have players throwing it into them down low. Easier for them to score. On defense same thing. No wonder they get more blocks. They’re arms are longer and they are taller. Gives them a better chance. Jordan blocked many tall centers and dunked over them no problem. Jordan was great at everything. That’s why he is mentioned over someone e like Kareem
Kareem is not underated. 6 titles , 6 regular season MVP. MJ got 5. But I still think MJ is the GOAT because he is only 6'6. It was much harder for him to dominate the game.
@@malackibancroft3589 you think magic was a true point guard back in the 60s point guards wasnt like the passer the facilitator magic did the thing curry did he revolutionized the position magic made the pg position a passer curry made it a scorrer there is no such thing as a true point guard so you believe in future generations every great point guard gonna be pass first you lack iq look at todays nba there is no position giannis runs pg lebron runs pg luka runs pg everyone runs pg and they score and pass they do those at the same time
I do remember Isiah Thomas use to host Michael Jordan aka Bulls games. Also I remember flat out clearly, Isiah Thomas said in the 90's that Michael Jordan was the BEST Player ever in History of the NBA. Then things kept getting bitter and going South between him and Jordan. Then next thing you know, he started saying negative things about Jordan every since. His opinion on Jordan don't count, his is Pro-BIAS against Jordan. Remember, I remember when Isiah Thomas was saying, Michael Jordan during the 90s was the GREATEST NBA PLAYER ever, repeat. Now his tune has changed.
Even though he still salty over Jordan icing him out from the Dream Team, Isiah needs a show. He's got deep knowledge of the game, and his charisma is off the charts.
Isiahs knowledge is not that deep b/c he is wrong when he says Lebron is faster. Lebron is not faster than Michael Jordan. Jordan ran the 40 yard in 4.38, Lebron ran 4.6
@@lorischreiber1665 that's a 4.38 handtiming. And then you have to round to the nearest 10th which makes it 4.4 then you have to add .24 to hand-timing which puts MJ 40 time at 4.64. LeBron is faster sorry 🤷🏾♂️. If you knew sports and how to covert handtiming/stopwatch you would know. Bron ran 4.4 and 4.6 laser timing🤦🏾♂️😂
And it's funny cuz in the 80's MAGIC,BIRD,and ISAIAH were all saying Jordan was the best player while they were crushing his Bulls...Ron Artest said JORDAN was stronger than Kobe and as strong as LEBRON...JORDAN had 48" inch vert and ran 4.3 40
@@thsu8 You don't get 250 steals in 1 season not being cat quick...Young Jordan was IVERSON quick and would of ripped IVERSON on that crossover move and tongue punched the rim unlike 32 yr old Jordan.
@@ruvindadabarera6426 thats like saying Jordan couldn't of won the ring at UNC TARHEELS without Pippen...MAGIC, BIRD and ISAIAH were on camera saying Jordan was the best player while still crushing his Bulls...Ron Artest said JORDAN was stronger than Kobe and as strong as LEBRON, Jordan had 48" vert and ran 4.3- 40
ruvinda dabarera The Bulls drafted Scottie in 87. They had Pip all the time. Pip just got better. I’m from the Chi and saw all the playoff games. He’s always had something against MJ
Years later and Lebron was still headed for a deep run. Going to be hard to find someone who says he hasn't been the best player in the league during his time in it. Isiah did say one thing that even Lebron haters have to agree with, the athletes today on the floor with and against him are bigger, stronger and faster in about 90% of cases. That does matter.
Isiah forgot about Kemp, Shaq, Larry Johnson, Spud Webb, Michael Cooper, Drexler, Len Bias, Wilkins, etc. Jordan was not the first. However, he was the first supremely gifted athlete who had flawless fundamentals. There were plenty of other athletes in Jordan's day. What is he talking about????? Listen people: It takes thousands of years for the human body to evolve. People aren't getting bigger, stronger, or faster; Technology, PED's, and supplements have improved sports performance. Try the shoes, for example. Don't you guys think the players of the 60s, 70s, and the 80's would be more efficient in lateral movement if they wore the shoes of today?
Great points. The scientific knowledge in terms of training, nutrition, and supplementation is largely responsible for the perceived generation of bigger, stronger, and faster. Perhaps the biggest change is simply how the game is played and how teams are built. In Jordan's day, the blueprint was to land a potent center and build around him. The game was played through the post. Today, teams are built guard heavy and the game is played at the 3-Pt stripe. Also, teams are drafting athleticism ahead of skill.
@Monster2424 Miguel By that logic, Isiah only beat Bird and the Celtics when they were old. The reality is: the Piston's core was around the same age as the Bulls. The difference is the Bulls only had MJ until Pippen showed up. Isiah had Rodman, Dumars, Laimbeer, Salley, and Dawkins. That's a championship core versus one player. Context hurts, dont it?
Bill Russell has 11 rings..Jordan got 6...Jordan has that famous line, "6 beats 3 any day of the week." Nowwww 11 beats 6 any day of the week. A Bill Russell lead team would find a way to stop Jordan led Bulls...Period...
Most rings? Most points? Most rebounds? Most finals appearances? Most All Stars? So since he doesn't have the most of ANYTHING. What makes him the best?
Once upon a time in a land not far away was a dude named Allen Iverson and with a basketball in HAND was the best to Duel against any competition. Can y'all HANDLE that. How quick we forget...🤯🤯
I'm glad Kareem is getting the recognition he deserves. He probably is the greatest player of all time. There is no way Jordan would be 6-0 in the Finals if he had to face a prime Kareem on the other team.
I agree completely...the lakers team with Kareem in his prime to early 30's having Magic at point guard...MJ would be crying and have agita of not winning a championship..MJ had difficulty of getting past those Bad Boy Pistons team..
@@philip73image you're high on something! We can always say what if so in so this or that....All speculation! Not to mention that Kareem had the best point guard ever on his team! Plus James Worthy (hall of famer) Plus Byron Scott! They were basically 5 allstars/future hall of famer in their lineup!! Jordan had Scottie Pippen only real allstar and no other allstars! GTFOH
He said he thinks Jordan is the best scorer, he respects him there. He thinks Kareem is the G.O.A.T. He thinks Lebron is the best all-around player. He's entitled to his opinion, at least he isn't brainwashed into thinking Jordan could never be beat in any circumstances like some ppl would think.
Clay Slade I know basketball and it’s a lie LeBron is “not” faster than Jordan smh and Jordan had a 48” vertical not 42” that’s still rare, he’s telling lies lol
how tf is LeBron a better all around player? just because of assist and rebounds lol Jordan is the 2nd all time steals leader #1 ppg average reg season playoffs and finals..jordan played both ends of the court..jordan was fearless and he passed the ball when he needed and scored when he needed..just because Jordan was more of a score at will assassin doesn't mean he wasn't an all around player Jordan has most blocks all time for a guard...and athleticism wise Jordan was better..2×dunk champ hand switching floating in the air around and over defenders left hand finishes post footwork and a deadly unmatched patent fadeaway jumper..lebron is just bigger and stronger but not more athletic
@@iflemister3935 you're called a two way player if you're good at both offense and defense . But play both at an elite level for an entire season for 15 straight season, that's called being an around genius my friend
Thank God for lebron James and Jordan I love you both .I wish people would stop comparing the two of them and just say they Are great players and nice people.
It was a wonderful experience actually being there and watching these awesome guys playing in various positions. Anyone can read stats and make an opinion
Yh man cause he has to say MJ better like if Bronny say lebron better than Jordan they gon say it’s biased because he’s lebron son if he says Jordan is better the argument is over because even his son said Jordan is better
Yeah He is still bitter about Jordan and The Bulls Sweeping Isiah and Pistons in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals Jordan Owned Him and The Pistons In 91 and Shut Them Down! MJ will Allways Be The GOAT!!!
Gasner D (former player says mj is the goat): “he played against mj, so his opinion makes it true!” (Former player doesn’t say mj is the goat): “man he’s just jealous of mj, his opinion doesn’t count”
Gasner D I’m saying people who take mj in the lebron vs mj debate see former players say that mj is the goat, and they claim that since he “played against mj”, that mj is proven to be the goat. But isiah played and BEAT mj, and doesn’t take mj as the goat, and people say he’s only saying that cause he’s “jealous” when that’s complete BS
@@dredavis1578 and against better teams Jordan ever played against and in the finals which means they was the best team in the league not first round Allah many peoples goat
Emmanuel Enyinwa How did Thomas own Jordan? The Pistons owned Jordan AT THE TIME. Not Isiah Thomas of all people. Then guess what? The Bulls put another all star right next to Jordan and what happens next? It's easy to beat a one man team because all you gotta do is worry about that ONE MAN.
It's hard to compare. Nba now is much softer. Would lebronaverage the same if he plays back then? I'm not so sure. One thing I'm sure of Michael Jordan would average 40+ points if there's no hand check allowed.
@@illconductor exactly what?? It take a team to win. Bron averaged the most in every statistical category , yet the other team was better than his. Foh
@@kellenbuyshouses3705 Jordan is 6 for 6. But i still like bron. Pipen played side by side with Jordan through all the battles and he said himself Bron is better.
No he is actually 100% correct just because you refuse his response doesnt mean he is hating. He simply said Jordan was one of a kind during that era and now you have all kinds of guys that can run and jump like Michael. You arent even listening to what he said. Watch a dunk contest now you got guys windmilling from the free throw line now lol
@@dadon1289 please, Magic Johnson wishes he had the skills Isiah Thomas had . Magic won all those titles with the most talented teammates in NBA history. Do you think Magic Johnson wins all those titles with John Long, Kent Benson, Terry Tyler, Kelly Tripucka, a old Dan Roundfield and Bill Laimbeer with no inside game as his center?
ACIE J.R. The pistons never gave MJ the business. They beat the bulls, but Jordan still dominated. The same way the bulls got swept by the Celtics and Jordan averaged 40+ Go to bed.
Kareem won 3 championships in college and 3 MOPs not four. Back then freshmen weren't eligible. I do agree that he should be mentioned in any discussion of G.O.A.T.
Navaro Palm you realize kawhi leanard , tony Parker , James harden , Kevin Durant , Russell Westbrook, Stephen curry , clay Thompson, draymond green , Tim Duncan, dirk they all future hall of famers that Lebron played in the finals lol. Name Jordan opponents That’s in the hall of fame .... how come it took him 9 years to win a championship? Oh yeah because he waited until magic and etc got old he didn’t have competition in the finals his was getting his a busted in the first round stop putting championships in every argument this a team sport (as a player of myself) Lebron is a better passer better rebounder and can score if he wants he came out of high school dominated while Jordan struggled coming out of college
MJ won a ring in his 7th season. It actually took Lebron 8 seasons. WTH are you talking about. And Magic, the Pistons, etc were not old. Stop with the myths. The Celtics that Lebron formed a super team to beat were old.
Lebron James magic johnson, james worthy, Clyde drexler, Charles barkley,Gary payton, Shawn kemp, Karl malone, John Stockton and you can count them last 2 twice cause he beat them twice jordan crushed the dreams of many hall of famers
Eddie Wilson my opinion mark Cuban (mavs owner ) paid him off but that’s his only bad finals game name all the other you went past all them great games to get to his bad one he’s that great ? Lol
Love Issac Thomas & C.C. They are both great athletics in NBA and NFL they have smaller statue but they overcome their disadvantage With extra , extra work and effort, I rank them in the top 10 players in their sport.
"There are three players on every team that are as athletic as Michael Jordan".. sure, Isiah. Keep on hating. Meanwhile MJ remains the player with the highest vertical ever recorded in the NBA
i know yall dont really listen to us but i'll pretend you do. When we begged for Chris Carter to get a show, we got one and its great. Soooo, Isaiah needs a show too for that OG basketball knowledge. We got Shannon and Chris on the football side, we need a BBall great as a regular.
What Isiah Thomas fails to realize is that he is being used as a pawn by Nick Wright. His rivalry with MJ/Bulls and his pride will never allow him to give MJ full credit, and Nick knows this. By demeaning Michael Jordan's skills as an athlete and player, it only fuels Nick's argument that MJ's era was weak and MJ wasn't that great; thus destroying Isiah's and the Piston's legacy in the process. By demeaning the greatest player ever, one that you had beaten until he finally overcame you; you're only hurting yourself and your peers.
Nah i disagree...IT never diminished MJ skills or his athletic ability...furthermore IT is only giving his perspective on MJ as a basketball player but you cant 4get about those players before MJ that was great and had great statistics, like Kareem...ijs
Thomas hates MJ so don't take anything he says seriously lol. Plus I really disliked when ever he said LeBron was bigger, faster, and stronger than MJ.. LeBron was bigger, faster, and stronger than Kobe but every encounter Kobe would cook him on the offensive end and also play fantastic defense on him. So even if LeBron was bigger and stronger than Kobe he didn't have the edge because Kobe was one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. Jordan was arguably just as good at defending and one could argue that he was a tad stronger than Kobe. He had bigger hands and broader shoulders and also played in a tougher league where LeBron size players were beating on him every night...
Isaiah, it is simple, Jordan is the best all-time, end of the discussion. Lebron is third, after Kobe. Both Michael and Kobe are better players, more educated, and speak better than him.
When are people going to learn that stats on a sheet do not define greatness? Yes good stats are nice of course and they somewhat say something about someones game. But Winning, mentality, attitude, fearlessness, taking over when it matters all those things weigh much heavier than stats on a sheet. MJ has all those things over Lebron and it is not even close.
The only thing you named he have better them LeBron is The fearlessness stop it.. And you can't really say that.. LeBron just makes the right play.. He gets scolded because he's not a shoot first player .. Look how many times Jordan and Kobe forced bad shots and the end of games.. LeBron makes the right at and gets criticized for it.. Like honestly
Greg Doyle winning mentality, footwork, quickness, scoring, defense, ball handling.. Not just fearlessness. Michael Jordan just was a greater basketbal player. Lebron is the bigger stronger one with a solid gameplay making the right plays greatness yes. But that does not make him greater than the greatness of MJ.
Robert Rijks ball handling? Dude you lost.. LeBron have every characteristic you just said but footwork.. And the only reason LeBron didn't win dfpoy is because DH12 had two back to back crazy defensive years when LeBron came in 2nd
Greg Doyle yes ball handling. Dribble was not that fancy back in the 80s and 90s but Jordan was better in keeping in posession of the ball than Lebron. Also has a lot to do with his footwork. Jordan is better in every category of basketball than lebron. Except for bigger, stronger, facilitate, grabbing the rebound... I did not even mention shooting and the unstoppable fade away shot Jordan had. Its simple: Lebron is great! But compared to Michael Jordan he just is not greater.
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Who are your top-3 NBA MVP candidates?
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright lebron , Kyrie , harden
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright LeBron harden giannis
LeBron, Harden, Embiid
First Things First: Cris Carter and Nick Wright lebron, harden, and kyrie
This is just so disgusting to watch....lebron James cannot be mentioned in the same breath as his fairness. If lebron played in his fairness era he would never win a ring just like the rest of them
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is extremely underrated when it comes to the greatest of all time talk. The dude was unstoppable on offensive and a beast on rebounds, blocks, and defense.
How do you overlook Kareem. The most unstoppable person in NBA history.
So is Dr. J
magic_man_32 Because it's been some time since he's played. Wilt was more dominant player, though
Here’s something about centers in the nba. They’re usually much taller than everyone else, longer arms, they are closer to the basket. They have players throwing it into them down low. Easier for them to score. On defense same thing. No wonder they get more blocks. They’re arms are longer and they are taller. Gives them a better chance. Jordan blocked many tall centers and dunked over them no problem. Jordan was great at everything. That’s why he is mentioned over someone e like Kareem
Jabbar was never unstoppable. Olajuwon or shaq were better.
so nice to hear Kareem's name in a conversation about the greatest!
Ohw yes
Kareem is not underated. 6 titles , 6 regular season MVP. MJ got 5. But I still think MJ is the GOAT because he is only 6'6. It was much harder for him to dominate the game.
@@goranvisnjic8888during that era, yes.
Isiah is one of the top 3 pgs of all time
Magic, Oscar Robinson , Mabey John Stockton amd iT are like 3a and 3b
lmfao whattttt??? Curry Magic and Robertson are better
Robert Kealiher Curry isn’t a true point guard tho really
@@malackibancroft3589 you think magic was a true point guard back in the 60s point guards wasnt like the passer the facilitator magic did the thing curry did he revolutionized the position magic made the pg position a passer curry made it a scorrer there is no such thing as a true point guard so you believe in future generations every great point guard gonna be pass first you lack iq look at todays nba there is no position giannis runs pg lebron runs pg luka runs pg everyone runs pg and they score and pass they do those at the same time
2 years later and this comment is still correct
1. Magic
2. Curry
3. Isiah (yeah I’ll take him over Oscar) 🏀
Finally, someone gave Kareem his credit lol
Andrew Johnson Not really. He hates MJ personally so this is just an exclusionary decision.
Nobody Here numerous times Isiah has said how good jordan was, he used to announce his games. He's actually being truthful here.
I do remember Isiah Thomas use to host Michael Jordan aka Bulls games.
Also I remember flat out clearly, Isiah Thomas said in the 90's that Michael Jordan was the BEST Player ever in History of the NBA.
Then things kept getting bitter and going South between him and Jordan. Then next thing you know, he started saying negative
things about Jordan every since. His opinion on Jordan don't count, his is Pro-BIAS against Jordan. Remember, I remember when
Isiah Thomas was saying, Michael Jordan during the 90s was the GREATEST NBA PLAYER ever, repeat. Now his tune has changed.
Kareem overrated
Kareem all day..
Lol y’all do know Isaiah Thomas don’t like MJ
TheMasterMind 2k he doesn’t disrespect MJ tho he only dislikes Scottie and Malone
TheMasterMind 2k And? We all have opinions.
actually he respects MJ...he doesn't respect or like Scottie Pippen...Pippen and Malone are his two most hated players.
Lmao he always like this
TheMasterMind 2k Tbh he has all the rights to dislike those guys. He should have been on that olympic team. Its a shame
Thank you IT! You put it better than anyone I have heard explain the difference between players.
Even though he still salty over Jordan icing him out from the Dream Team, Isiah needs a show. He's got deep knowledge of the game, and his charisma is off the charts.
Isiahs knowledge is not that deep b/c he is wrong when he says Lebron is faster. Lebron is not faster than Michael Jordan. Jordan ran the 40 yard in 4.38, Lebron ran 4.6
Lori Schreiber stop it Lebron is faster then Jordan and they don’t ran close to both those 40’s only nfl players of soccer players in those
@@lorischreiber1665 that 40 by Jordan was made up lmao. If that’s true he’d be faster than Wide Receivers. Officially their 40 time is the same
@@lorischreiber1665 that's a 4.38 handtiming. And then you have to round to the nearest 10th which makes it 4.4 then you have to add .24 to hand-timing which puts MJ 40 time at 4.64. LeBron is faster sorry 🤷🏾♂️. If you knew sports and how to covert handtiming/stopwatch you would know. Bron ran 4.4 and 4.6 laser timing🤦🏾♂️😂
Isaiah Thomas flip-flopping his statements again.
This is the verbal version of the Jordan Rules. Amazing. Smh.
This is underrated
And it's funny cuz in the 80's MAGIC,BIRD,and ISAIAH were all saying Jordan was the best player while they were crushing his Bulls...Ron Artest said JORDAN was stronger than Kobe and as strong as LEBRON...JORDAN had 48" inch vert and ran 4.3 40
@@etxsports5836 Jordan didn't run a 4.3 40. Stop it. Artest did say that and I agree he was stronger than Kob.
@@thsu8
Jordan ran 4.6 trained and got it down to 4.3...Jordan was Bruce Lee quick
@@thsu8
You don't get 250 steals in 1 season not being cat quick...Young Jordan was IVERSON quick and would of ripped IVERSON on that crossover move and tongue punched the rim unlike 32 yr old Jordan.
nick gets white people handshakes lmaooooo
A M Patently false. White people didn't start handshaking.
He never liked Jordan
@Leon Cook what happened after that?
Jordan didn't beat the Pistons till he got Pippen so can't blame the guy for being a little salty
@@ruvindadabarera6426
thats like saying Jordan couldn't of won the ring at UNC TARHEELS without Pippen...MAGIC, BIRD and ISAIAH were on camera saying Jordan was the best player while still crushing his Bulls...Ron Artest said JORDAN was stronger than Kobe and as strong as LEBRON, Jordan had 48" vert and ran 4.3- 40
ruvinda dabarera The Bulls drafted Scottie in 87. They had Pip all the time. Pip just got better. I’m from the Chi and saw all the playoff games. He’s always had something against MJ
On one show He said Jordan now it’s something else...GET REAL!!!
Years later and Lebron was still headed for a deep run. Going to be hard to find someone who says he hasn't been the best player in the league during his time in it. Isiah did say one thing that even Lebron haters have to agree with, the athletes today on the floor with and against him are bigger, stronger and faster in about 90% of cases. That does matter.
Isiah forgot about Kemp, Shaq, Larry Johnson, Spud Webb, Michael Cooper, Drexler, Len Bias, Wilkins, etc. Jordan was not the first. However, he was the first supremely gifted athlete who had flawless fundamentals. There were plenty of other athletes in Jordan's day. What is he talking about????? Listen people: It takes thousands of years for the human body to evolve. People aren't getting bigger, stronger, or faster; Technology, PED's, and supplements have improved sports performance. Try the shoes, for example. Don't you guys think the players of the 60s, 70s, and the 80's would be more efficient in lateral movement if they wore the shoes of today?
so you don't think wilt was ahead of his time ?
julius henry awesome points
absolutely.. although there are players who ascend their era too.
Question is, how can you tell?
Great points. The scientific knowledge in terms of training, nutrition, and supplementation is largely responsible for the perceived generation of bigger, stronger, and faster. Perhaps the biggest change is simply how the game is played and how teams are built. In Jordan's day, the blueprint was to land a potent center and build around him. The game was played through the post. Today, teams are built guard heavy and the game is played at the 3-Pt stripe. Also, teams are drafting athleticism ahead of skill.
Word. This is true
I love Isaiah's analysis, I actually always felt the same. But it makes sense what he's saying.
I can taste the salt in my tongue as I watch this...
Isiah beat Jordan alot
@Monster2424 Miguel By that logic, Isiah only beat Bird and the Celtics when they were old. The reality is: the Piston's core was around the same age as the Bulls. The difference is the Bulls only had MJ until Pippen showed up. Isiah had Rodman, Dumars, Laimbeer, Salley, and Dawkins. That's a championship core versus one player. Context hurts, dont it?
Isiah is one of the few mofos that can say i busted all in their prime MJ, magic and bird.... MJ is greater than all those guys but he never beat bird
This is the most biased debate known to mankind
Exactly.
@@illconductor he sounds logical to me
It's definitely up there
@@lnb252 Isiah hated Jordan, of course he's gonna say LeBron was better, he was very vocal about dissing Mike
@@davidrooks3274 he always gave Jordan credit when it's due
The REAL Isiah Thomas. Much respect sir.
Mad disrespectful, IT is a baller.
Lost twice in High School. Lost twice in College. 6 time MVP. 6 Tittles Kareem is the GOAT
I love IT he keeps it real.
I wish to see Isiah vs Iverson. Of all the smaller guard matchups in NBA history. That would've been incredible!
I agree with him 100%
What are you talking about people. Michael Jordan is the best basketball player who ever lived.
...and I bet you are under 38yrs old.
Bill Russell has 11 rings..Jordan got 6...Jordan has that famous line, "6 beats 3 any day of the week." Nowwww 11 beats 6 any day of the week. A Bill Russell lead team would find a way to stop Jordan led Bulls...Period...
Most rings? Most points? Most rebounds? Most finals appearances? Most All Stars? So since he doesn't have the most of ANYTHING. What makes him the best?
Nope.
One of them I agree
Once upon a time in a land not far away was a dude named Allen Iverson and with a basketball in HAND was the best to Duel against any competition. Can y'all HANDLE that. How quick we forget...🤯🤯
Lord Baltimore facts but kyrie has better handles. But I’ll take A.i crossover anyday. He was do filthy
So*
Good insight on the game verses best player.. He knows that Game... Good Job Isaiah!!!!
I tell these dudes that keep leaving out Kareem in the GOAT convos. Crunch time, last shot whatever,KAREEM got the ball bottom line...
I'm glad Kareem is getting the recognition he deserves. He probably is the greatest player of all time. There is no way Jordan would be 6-0 in the Finals if he had to face a prime Kareem on the other team.
DynamicUnreal Definitely not. Kareem in his prime would have destroyed any of those Bulls team
I agree completely...the lakers team with Kareem in his prime to early 30's having Magic at point guard...MJ would be crying and have agita of not winning a championship..MJ had difficulty of getting past those Bad Boy Pistons team..
man stop
Who even enjoy watching Kareem play? There's more to being the goat then just putting the ball in the basket. Jordan did it with Grace.
@@philip73image you're high on something! We can always say what if so in so this or that....All speculation! Not to mention that Kareem had the best point guard ever on his team! Plus James Worthy (hall of famer) Plus Byron Scott! They were basically 5 allstars/future hall of famer in their lineup!! Jordan had Scottie Pippen only real allstar and no other allstars! GTFOH
Isiah you are my number 1 for real...uncle FRED
Isaiah is making all the needless qualifications and categories to avoid naming Jordan as the best ever.
He said he thinks Jordan is the best scorer, he respects him there. He thinks Kareem is the G.O.A.T. He thinks Lebron is the best all-around player. He's entitled to his opinion, at least he isn't brainwashed into thinking Jordan could never be beat in any circumstances like some ppl would think.
Zeke on Karl Malone "I cant give you that one" muthafucka gave me 30 stitches over my eye.
Thank you Kareem was the best.
WHY IS EVERYONE SAYING THAT LEBRON IS FASTER THAN JORDAN???? HE'S NOT!!!
Clay Slade I know basketball and it’s a lie LeBron is “not” faster than Jordan smh and Jordan had a 48” vertical not 42” that’s still rare, he’s telling lies lol
Clay Slade yeah and then he gassed out and didnt want to play defense 😂😂😂
@@naujitking2868 no LeBron is faster and far more athletic period
Robin White but he’s not who’s telling you this nonsense lol?
Isiah needs a job at Fabric Land... geez, the guy's an idiot.
Isaiah speaking FACTS
I respect Zeek opinion great episode
I'm 53 Zeke was the model for ball handling thru out the 80s definitely! He could really as we said "pat that rock"
well said.....Isiah Thomas ....one of the Greatest....
This is how a show must go on!! NO SKIP!!!!!
how tf is LeBron a better all around player? just because of assist and rebounds lol Jordan is the 2nd all time steals leader #1 ppg average reg season playoffs and finals..jordan played both ends of the court..jordan was fearless and he passed the ball when he needed and scored when he needed..just because Jordan was more of a score at will assassin doesn't mean he wasn't an all around player Jordan has most blocks all time for a guard...and athleticism wise Jordan was better..2×dunk champ hand switching floating in the air around and over defenders left hand finishes post footwork and a deadly unmatched patent fadeaway jumper..lebron is just bigger and stronger but not more athletic
Loud Pack that's coming from one of Jordan's biggest hater Isiah
Loud Pack u just described a two way player not an all around player
@@iflemister3935 you're called a two way player if you're good at both offense and defense . But play both at an elite level for an entire season for 15 straight season, that's called being an around genius my friend
Ann Jacob I'm not gon lie I don't even know what I said but uh ok I'm pretty sure that makes u an elite two way player. all around is all around
Ann Jacob but I get what u sayin it's debatable
Thank God for lebron James and Jordan I love you both .I wish people would stop comparing the two of them and just say they Are great players and nice people.
Jordans easily better
@@SuperJohn12354 no hes not check all time points
Or stats in general
I can respect that from Isiah, going with Kareem.
Jordan is faster than LeBron and has better defense. forget offense...and Jordan jumps higher. to have Isiah who is a Jordan hater is crazy
Jordan had a quicker first step. Bron was the fastest in transition
Ive defended zeke for years, but I'm seeing why nobody likes him..
Ben DC4L he said Lebron is faster than Jordan. And every team nowadays have 3players as athletic like mike. Not biased? Wtf
It was a wonderful experience actually being there and watching these awesome guys playing in various positions. Anyone can read stats and make an opinion
Stat is fact. A report on what happened
Kareem is really the true NBA greatest player
🤔Isaiah STILL HATIN ON JORDAN, CLEARLY!! AFTER ALL THIS TIME
Yeah he is still butthurt over it.
He beat jordan more than Jordan beat him
Yh man cause he has to say MJ better like if Bronny say lebron better than Jordan they gon say it’s biased because he’s lebron son if he says Jordan is better the argument is over because even his son said Jordan is better
🤣🤣 it was the same debate with kobe, when lebron retires he will see how fast people forget... MJ = 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Jonathan Bikulo you are so funny
Y'all say Isaiah hatin on MJ but he put them out of the playoffs 3 times.
True💯
Isiah Thomas cant move on in his loss vs MJ.
Yeah He is still bitter about Jordan and The Bulls Sweeping Isiah and Pistons in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals Jordan Owned Him and The Pistons In 91 and Shut Them Down! MJ will Allways Be The GOAT!!!
Isiah still got a winning record against the bald one.
@@adampruitt9211
True but he still has a better record against Jordan🤓🤓🤓🤓🤗
Greatness loved his take on the best.
MJ is the only player to record 200+steals and 100+ blocks in a season twice.
Yep, insane
GOAT
ETX Sports steals and blocks haha
Your point would be what exactly?
Where is standing on top 10
He's actually NOT FASTER than Michael. Thomas is the wrong player to ask about Jordan. He hates him on a personal level. Well documented.
You can't know that. But you can ask Steph and Iguadala how fast he is when he was punking them. Then had them running to KD.
He's whole facial expressions says hatred towards Jordan
Gasner D (former player says mj is the goat): “he played against mj, so his opinion makes it true!”
(Former player doesn’t say mj is the goat): “man he’s just jealous of mj, his opinion doesn’t count”
@@tf5302 I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Gasner D I’m saying people who take mj in the lebron vs mj debate see former players say that mj is the goat, and they claim that since he “played against mj”, that mj is proven to be the goat. But isiah played and BEAT mj, and doesn’t take mj as the goat, and people say he’s only saying that cause he’s “jealous” when that’s complete BS
Isiah Thomas...Best guest on the show, ever.
Why ask this guy ? hahaha his one of Michael Jordan's haters... he won't forget MJ banned him from the Dream Team
But his argument makes sense
Lebron 2 back to back got swept finals case close!
With a worse team then jordan ever had
Dre Davis facts
@@dredavis1578 and against better teams Jordan ever played against and in the finals which means they was the best team in the league not first round Allah many peoples goat
love IT
Wilt Chamberlain is my choice for the best ever.
Isiah never had much respect for the Jordan myth because he played against the man himself.
Emmanuel Enyinwa it’s got more to do with Jordan stopping him from playing on theDream Team
Huh? Thomas OWNED Jordan. It is Jordan who is bitter toward Thomas to giving him the business in his prime.
Maybe on NBA2K
Emmanuel Enyinwa No, you mean the *PISTONS* owned Jordan.
Jordan held isiah under 40% severally times. Wtf are u talking about?
Emmanuel Enyinwa How did Thomas own Jordan? The Pistons owned Jordan AT THE TIME. Not Isiah Thomas of all people. Then guess what? The Bulls put another all star right next to Jordan and what happens next? It's easy to beat a one man team because all you gotta do is worry about that ONE MAN.
Isiah Thomas has changed his mind in this subject 3 times on live television just gi back and watch
It's hard to compare. Nba now is much softer. Would lebronaverage the same if he plays back then? I'm not so sure. One thing I'm sure of Michael Jordan would average 40+ points if there's no hand check allowed.
3 out of 8....yea LeBron is the best
Exactly.
Jordan is 6 out of 11....Bron has at least 4 years to left (hopefully) we shall see the final tally.
@@illconductor exactly what?? It take a team to win. Bron averaged the most in every statistical category , yet the other team was better than his. Foh
@@kellenbuyshouses3705 Jordan is 6 for 6. But i still like bron. Pipen played side by side with Jordan through all the battles and he said himself Bron is better.
@@solidtv6211 6-6 in the finals not the playoffs.
That girl at the end started having some confusion about when the show ends.
Hmmm something like Michael Schumacher vs Lewis Hamilton these days in motor sports. Schumacher and Jordan are both the GOAT!
That reference will go over a lot of heads. But thanks for making it. Both Michaels are immortal.
Hatin' on Micheal 🤣🤣badboy
To come out of high-school and go to the finals.."You don't do that in our League" That part..💯
put MJ on there with CC and Thomas...wish mj had time to waste to destroy these haters.
You hurt
This dude is obviously hating on MJ everybody knows he is
Yea cos mj destroyed isiah lol
No he is actually 100% correct just because you refuse his response doesnt mean he is hating. He simply said Jordan was one of a kind during that era and now you have all kinds of guys that can run and jump like Michael. You arent even listening to what he said. Watch a dunk contest now you got guys windmilling from the free throw line now lol
He makes it his job to hate in MJ.
Yep
He a heter
.. and the debates rage on forever .. what makes it so fun 👊
Mj never lost in the final
Greatest point guard EVER ! People can't respect Detroit so of course the won't we respect OUR basketball legend. Always lovin PISTONS #11
No he ain't 🤦🏽♂️
@@dadon1289 please, Magic Johnson wishes he had the skills Isiah Thomas had .
Magic won all those titles with the most talented teammates in NBA history.
Do you think Magic Johnson wins all those titles with John Long, Kent Benson, Terry Tyler, Kelly Tripucka, a old Dan Roundfield and Bill Laimbeer with no inside game as his center?
I remember Jordan couldnt win in 80s and Isaiah and the pistons use to give MJ the business.. But then David Stern changed the rules to help Jordan.
ACIE J.R. The pistons never gave MJ the business. They beat the bulls, but Jordan still dominated. The same way the bulls got swept by the Celtics and Jordan averaged 40+
Go to bed.
Definitely, Kareem is no doubt the greatest ever to play the game , e.g. from high school through the pros. he impacted the game like no other.
Magic Johnson.
Kareem Is The Goat. 4 Chips in NCAA, 4 College MOP's, 6 Chips in NBA, 6 MVP's. Case Closed.
Kareem won 3 championships in college and 3 MOPs not four. Back then freshmen weren't eligible. I do agree that he should be mentioned in any discussion of G.O.A.T.
EXACTLY LEW ALCINDOR bka kAj is the greatest of all time
Isaiah broke it down the best I've heard
Navaro Palm you realize kawhi leanard , tony Parker , James harden , Kevin Durant , Russell Westbrook, Stephen curry , clay Thompson, draymond green , Tim Duncan, dirk they all future hall of famers that Lebron played in the finals lol. Name Jordan opponents That’s in the hall of fame .... how come it took him 9 years to win a championship? Oh yeah because he waited until magic and etc got old he didn’t have competition in the finals his was getting his a busted in the first round stop putting championships in every argument this a team sport (as a player of myself) Lebron is a better passer better rebounder and can score if he wants he came out of high school dominated while Jordan struggled coming out of college
fuddyduddie1 what he’s fail at he made it to the nba , mvps’s , finals wins he’s won you win some you lose some lol
MJ won a ring in his 7th season. It actually took Lebron 8 seasons. WTH are you talking about. And Magic, the Pistons, etc were not old. Stop with the myths. The Celtics that Lebron formed a super team to beat were old.
Lebron James magic johnson, james worthy, Clyde drexler, Charles barkley,Gary payton, Shawn kemp, Karl malone, John Stockton and you can count them last 2 twice cause he beat them twice jordan crushed the dreams of many hall of famers
Lebron James oh yeah if lebron can score anytime he wants how come he only averaged 17 ppg during the 2011 nba finals
Eddie Wilson my opinion mark Cuban (mavs owner ) paid him off but that’s his only bad finals game name all the other you went past all them great games to get to his bad one he’s that great ? Lol
Really Isiah....smh.
Love Issac Thomas & C.C. They are both great athletics in NBA and NFL they have smaller statue but they overcome their disadvantage
With extra , extra work and effort, I rank them in the top 10 players in their sport.
Jordan wouldn’t be “Jordan” in this era with guys like Steph, Russ, KD, Lebron their athleticism is out the roof
You never walk off the court and don't shake the other teams hand ever.
Isaiah the only one to keep it real
c'mon Isiah shout it, it's MJ
Isiah played on a broken leg and beat the Lakers! One of the baddest small dudes to play game!
This question wasn’t about who’s the greatest ever it was who was better out of those TWO. Don’t get on the show to avoid the question
"There are three players on every team that are as athletic as Michael Jordan".. sure, Isiah. Keep on hating. Meanwhile MJ remains the player with the highest vertical ever recorded in the NBA
darko sam Fake news, he’s tied for third with Zach LaVine - 46″ ...
Jason Richardson - 46″
James White - 46″
Spud Webb - 46″
And also with your lies wilt has the highest vert ever
darko sam he hating
Lebron is the best all around player of all time
JAYROD ._ a stat stuffer
Its amazing how Kareem Abdul Jabar gets CONSISTENTLY glossed over in these discussions.
AIR JORDAN IS THE BEST EVER TALK TO HIS 6 RINGS 😂👍
Amen
Why not Russell with 11 rings?
Kyrie Irving has the best handles in NBA history hahaha! The best handles in NBA history is Allen Iverson.
Bubba Chuck!
Best crossover is allen iverson. Best handles is kyrie
i know yall dont really listen to us but i'll pretend you do. When we begged for Chris Carter to get a show, we got one and its great. Soooo, Isaiah needs a show too for that OG basketball knowledge. We got Shannon and Chris on the football side, we need a BBall great as a regular.
Who you want on your team in the finals? Jordan or LeBron? Question over.
Jordan Jordan
And the east has been trash since Boston's big three
Darrell Saunders does ai have a ring ?
It was even before that 😂😂😂
The East has a better record against the west this year
mal law West got more injuries this year to much better players too. So gotta throw that into consideration.
I can respect that.
What Isiah Thomas fails to realize is that he is being used as a pawn by Nick Wright. His rivalry with MJ/Bulls and his pride will never allow him to give MJ full credit, and Nick knows this. By demeaning Michael Jordan's skills as an athlete and player, it only fuels Nick's argument that MJ's era was weak and MJ wasn't that great; thus destroying Isiah's and the Piston's legacy in the process. By demeaning the greatest player ever, one that you had beaten until he finally overcame you; you're only hurting yourself and your peers.
Nah i disagree...IT never diminished MJ skills or his athletic ability...furthermore IT is only giving his perspective on MJ as a basketball player but you cant 4get about those players before MJ that was great and had great statistics, like Kareem...ijs
THIS GUY'S DELUSIONAL..MJ IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES...PERIOD.
IT made some good points
Thomas hates MJ so don't take anything he says seriously lol. Plus I really disliked when ever he said LeBron was bigger, faster, and stronger than MJ.. LeBron was bigger, faster, and stronger than Kobe but every encounter Kobe would cook him on the offensive end and also play fantastic defense on him. So even if LeBron was bigger and stronger than Kobe he didn't have the edge because Kobe was one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. Jordan was arguably just as good at defending and one could argue that he was a tad stronger than Kobe. He had bigger hands and broader shoulders and also played in a tougher league where LeBron size players were beating on him every night...
Isaiah, it is simple, Jordan is the best all-time, end of the discussion.
Lebron is third, after Kobe. Both Michael and Kobe are better players, more educated, and speak better than him.
Rasheed Al-Nimr Al-Adab Siz it is simple yet you never said anything to debunk what zeke said.
Education and intelligence are two very different things
@@aamsheerzabal7128 how does intelligence equate with LeBron?
If that's the question you're asking you're not worth the time to answer. You're better off playing little boy.
@@aamsheerzabal7128 In other words, you have no answer to my question!
I rate dat shordy. Got straight to the point
When are people going to learn that stats on a sheet do not define greatness? Yes good stats are nice of course and they somewhat say something about someones game. But Winning, mentality, attitude, fearlessness, taking over when it matters all those things weigh much heavier than stats on a sheet. MJ has all those things over Lebron and it is not even close.
one word: closer
The only thing you named he have better them LeBron is The fearlessness stop it.. And you can't really say that.. LeBron just makes the right play.. He gets scolded because he's not a shoot first player .. Look how many times Jordan and Kobe forced bad shots and the end of games.. LeBron makes the right at and gets criticized for it.. Like honestly
Greg Doyle winning mentality, footwork, quickness, scoring, defense, ball handling..
Not just fearlessness. Michael Jordan just was a greater basketbal player. Lebron is the bigger stronger one with a solid gameplay making the right plays greatness yes. But that does not make him greater than the greatness of MJ.
Robert Rijks ball handling? Dude you lost.. LeBron have every characteristic you just said but footwork.. And the only reason LeBron didn't win dfpoy is because DH12 had two back to back crazy defensive years when LeBron came in 2nd
Greg Doyle yes ball handling. Dribble was not that fancy back in the 80s and 90s but Jordan was better in keeping in posession of the ball than Lebron. Also has a lot to do with his footwork. Jordan is better in every category of basketball than lebron. Except for bigger, stronger, facilitate, grabbing the rebound... I did not even mention shooting and the unstoppable fade away shot Jordan had.
Its simple: Lebron is great! But compared to Michael Jordan he just is not greater.
Mj the best ever to play the game of basketball
I love hearing Isiah Thomas speak