Brian Jones, the founding member of The Rolling Stones, was a multi-talented musician and a pivotal figure in the 1960s rock and roll scene. However, the assessment of his impact and contribution to the band and the music industry as a whole has been a subject of debate among fans and critics alike. Is Brian Jones underrated or overrated? In This video we delve into his musical journey and examine the arguments on both sides of this intriguing question.
No Jones No Stones, No Keith No Stones, No Jagger No Stones, No Charlie No Stones. As was Dick Taylor, that was the original band, Bill came later. They were all founding members. That's the TRUTH! 🎸🎶 ❤
You needed SONGS! ORIGINAL SONGS!! after 1964. Brian fell behind due to addiction and no songwriting talent.@@RockinRollinOne which would you really choose, two one finger typists but great storytellers or the world's fastest and best typist who had NO STORIES TO TELL?
Brian's creativity as a musician is one of the reasons why I became a Rolling Stones fan in 1979 and continue to be one today. The colors he added to their sound with the different instruments he played were incredible. He could improve a good song by adding an instrument like a dulcimer, marimba, recorder, or mellotron - and he did it many times. He was one of the pioneers of World Music and he was the first Stone to compose a film score. He was one of the great fashion icons of the 1960s music scene. Lets us also not forget how he broke his arse in the early days by writing letters to record labels and music journalists trying to get exposure for the band. He also went around to the London clubs encouraging the owners to book the Stones for early gigs before they became famous. His role in the Rolling Stones was HUGE.
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
@@Arya-1111 ??? Of all the things that can be said of Keith, I don't think that I've ever heard anyone say that Keith lied. Seems to me that, good or bad, Keith has always been quick to own whatever he has done. I believe that, of all things, Keith would not hesitate to tell the absolute truth! He has always owned whatever he had done, and has no need to lie about any of it.
@@Arya-1111 What is Keith 'lying' about??? That Brian took drugs completely recklessly & had stopped functioning ? Charlie said much the same so he's also 'a liar' ??!! You have nothing to support your bald assertion 🤫
I was 21 the year Brian died and I was living in South Ken in London and went to the Stones Hyde Park Concert tripping on Acid.. I remember it like it was yesterday as nobody I knew had died at that time except old Grannies or Uncles but never one of our own generation, we were all stunned. Its often said that the brightest light burns out the fastest... That was Brian Jones..
@abw48 So that's what happened. That EERIE feeling I got back in late June early July in 1969. That young man died. I was 6 then & even I felt I felt his death.☠️
@@waynesilverman3048 : There was no Microdot in those days, only liquid and later pill form, mostly I took liquid. Never knew Cat Stevens and Soft Machine played in Hyde Park. I knew people that were close friends of the Soft Machine guys but I never met them. I left the UK in 1970 and never lived there again except for a few months when I got stuck there before I hopped the Pond to Toronto and then down to New York City in 1981.
Very very OVERRATED. He was a horrible Person. Impossible to work with. Sexually assaulted several women, fathered random children then abandoned, couldn’t even play his instruments anymore. And was kicked out he band. Then they started their greatest and most successful period and he had nothing to do with it. He was overrated. Just Because the guy died dosent make him a hero. He was evil.
@@someguy42093 : Brian was certainly not evil though unlike you he was also not perfect... He had trouble handling fame and certainly loved and treated many women in a not so nice manner....He took a combo of drugs which fried his brain and didn't turn up for rehearsals and that's why Jagger and Richards told him he was out of the Band and today Jagger and Richards admit they could have handled the situation better but we were all so young then and knew nothing about addiction or how to get out of it. Brian founded the Rolling Stones and I assume you know why they are called as such...Without Brian there would be no Rolling Stones.. I grew up along with them all but Im guessing you were not even born in 1969.. It was a very different time.
Some of you aren’t quite getting this. Brian Jones wasn’t just a member of the Stones. He wasn’t just a multi instrumentalist. He was a literal ‘60s icon. In music, in fashion, in way of life. And he used his position to put so many others in the spotlight. We take his influence for granted today. There will never be another Brian Jones. Period. ✌️
None of them get it. He was also the first guy to apply slide on a guitar neck in Britain. His influence could not be overstated, despite his early demise.
The Stones produced great records consistently into the early 80s. However, its been said, and I agree, that in throws of psychedelia, and competing with the Beatles, it was Jones that provided the flourishes that helped the band create the sound of the times. For the 60's, his contributions were essential.
Anyone who is a fan of the Stones from their 1960s period knows how important Brian Jones was on a lot of the songs. Slide on Little Red Rooster and I Just Can't Be Satisfied, Lead Guitar on Last Time, Sitar on Paint it Black, Marimba on Under My Thumb, incredible Soprano Sax on Dandelion and of course my favourite the Recorder on Ruby Tuesday. Neither underated or overrated.
the "lead guitar" on The Last Time was not really the lead guitar though. he did in fact BEGIN the song and played the main riff, but that was Keith's idea so that Keith could have all the fun playing insane rhythm guitar. same with Suzy Q and It's All Over Now. Jones's true LEADS were, as you said, ALL SLIDE GUITAR songs.
@@cultfilmfreakreviews Indeed , what Brian was given to play on the last time was a repeating accompaniment riff... Keith would give Brian a simple repeating guitar line and put him on autopilot like a sequencer. Then Keith was free to get creative with improvisational rhythm guitar. with accents and syncopations to enhance the vocals. Brian's true leads? I can count them on two fingers ...were written by other artists. Jones was a copyist not a creator. Jones' idea of a lead break was to play the sung melody exactly as it was sung without variation. I Wanna Be Your Man is a perfect example of how shallow Brian was musically. I hate listening to the stones version because , being more familiar with the Beatles version I badly miss Georges brilliant modal rave up composition with the syncopated double stops playing against the unrelenting jungle rhythm. The guitar break in the Beatles version was something to look forward to... Brian's scratchy mostly out of tune, slide, copying the sung melody was trite, tedious and predictable.
The only Truth is that Brian Jones was the original Rolling Stone 🎸👏. Respect to the GENIUS MULTITALEND MUSICIAN founder of the Stones Brian Jones! Forever remembered 🎸🎶 ❤
❤I totally agree 👍 he was a great member of the stones and he was doing fine till that money grabbing Andrew started to edge him out of the band putting all the spotlight on Mick jagger and Keith. That is what did it for Brian because he started the band he got them recognised as a talented band.. I do believe they later tried to take the piss and edged him out.. 😢maybe it was because he wasn't a nice person but I tend to think there was a lot more to that behind the scenes story. Also they all did as much drugs and alcohol as he did especially Keith Richards but he just got lucky and survived but also the rest of the band covered for him when he needed and gave him lots of help they all managed to have time for each others misdemeanours but had no time for Brian their friend who started the band whom without his early input and musical talent they might never have been discovered and made their millions & millions. Yes they went on to write lots of hits and give them their due the music 🎶 was and still is brilliant 👏 to this day.. but really they have a lot to thank Brian for and also be sorry to Brian for... 😢
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963 He was not the founder of any band. He Joined Keith's band , The Blue Boys.
Brian was a very talented musician. His direction for the music was not going to get them popular - he really wasn't into pop and couldn't write songs and it's that simple. Mick and Keith were the songwriters, a singer and guitarist. They are going to get the fame, not a musician who can only add great bits to the song. Mastery of Instruments was great. The marimbas he played on Under My Thumbs. The sitar on Paint it Black. Etc. Thanks Brian. Maybe in another band in another time in another face.
Brian was always my favorite. The sound, the style, the image, the total groovy look of true rock n roll. Brain broke the ground for what a real rock star was.
“Brian Jones was indeed the father of what we now regard as world music…Brian’s championing of ethnic players such as the Moroccan Master Musicians of Joujouka back in 1967 should be regarded as groundbreaking artistic development, portents of the future.”-John Phillpott, Blues in Britain
I mean, what would "Ruby Tuesday", "Under My Thumb", "Paint It Black", "2000 Light Years From Home", "The Last Time", or "No Expectations" be without his contributions? He was a miserable, troubled soul, but for a brief flash from 66-67 he was a brilliant and unique musician. I love a lot of their 70's stuff, but I'm definitely much more of a 60's Stones fan.
He was the leading musical contributor for many of the band’s actual masterpieces, the reason I idolized them as an 11 year old. Those songs are timeless in a way much of their straight riddum stuff will never be. I listen to Her Majesty’s as much as the rest of their records put together.
Bo Diddley described Brian Jones as "a little dude that was trying to pull the group ahead. I saw him as the leader. He didn't take no mess. He was a fantastic cat; he handled the group beautifully. He’s the only white cat that ever got my rhythm.” - Bo Diddley speaking of Rolling Stone, Brian Jones, 1963 !
Here is the actual quote from Bo Diddley " Brian was the only cat I knew who worked out the 'secret' of it all "...nothing about being White,or rhythm.(Wyman,Aftel,et al ) May i ask where your version came from ? Seriously
From the beginning, The Rolling Stones was conceived as a guitar band, and that has remained their signature to present. They built their sound around the interplay of two, sometimes three guitars. During the Jones' era, this sound was established with electric guitars (e.g. "Get Off My Cloud"; "19th Nervous Breakdown"), acoustic and electric guitars (e.g. "The Last Time"; "Satisfaction"; "Think"), and acoustic guitars (e.g. "Sitting on a Fence"; "No Expectations"); however, what separates this era from the future band incarnations was Jones' instrumental versatility, whereby he sometimes substituted other instruments for the guitar (e.g. "Lady Jane"; "Under My Thumb"; "Backstreet Girl"), adding interest to the music. This was appreciated by the band and public alike. Some, like myself, prefer this era of the band.
Bill Wyman is such an enduring champion of Brian. It's very nice. Brian had a gift for multinstrumental hooks that did more than just hook. They swallowed up the song and commandeered its mood. Brilliant.
I agree, i have always thought fairly/unfairly that Mick and Keith have always been happier airbrushing him out.. I might be wrong but it's just my opinion
Very very OVERRATED. He was a horrible Person. Impossible to work with. Sexually assaulted several women, fathered random children then abandoned, couldn’t even play his instruments anymore. And was kicked out he band. Then they started their greatest and most successful period and he had nothing to do with it. He was overrated. Just Because the guy died dosent make him a hero. He was evil.
@@donaldmack2307 Why? I listened to the Stones when they first came out and followed them over the years. Brian looked cool so the girls liked him, but musically? He was always given credit for miscellaneous contributions. I've seen him play guitar on videos-- nothing special. Strumming rhythm, occasionally playing a simple riff. What am I missing? Can someone be more specific about what he contributed, maybe a link to a video?
Tbf to Brian, a lot of those live videos are usually mimed to the album track; I think a lot of musicians decide to play simpler stuff on those cuz why put in the effort? I think with his musical contributions, is interest in other musical instruments does add a nice bit of sound to the mid 60's albums, my favorite example would be the stuff he played on between the buttons. Granted that doesn't mean he's the only contributor. There are also people like Jack Nietzsche who contributed some lovely piano and harpsichord parts. I personally think Brian and Jack were the two guys that made that aftermath period really special. The sad thing about Brian dying for me is the fact that he was at least trying to regroup himself and form another band. He was actually still interested in things like the music from different cultures and electronic synthesis so he still had that interest to change his sound. I think at best he would have done better as a underground kind of thing but we don't know. I do think the stone did fine without him personally and I think that's how it should have been honestly; I don't think Brian really wanted to be in the stones by the time he got fired. I personally think they were good up until Mick Taylor left
@@neverforget6523 The Stones were always an overrated band. They never had the talent for composing outstanding stuff like the Beatles and didn't have the power of the Who or the Kinks. They were just - at the right place in the right time.
On records you can hear Brian Jones plays these instruments: The Mellontron, Marimbas, Saxaphone, Harpsicord, Flute, and Japanese Koto. He also played: piano, guitar, harmonica, organ, sitar and drums..... Nuff' said.
I wish he could have let his ego go and graciously step to the side. Maybe that's not a good look for the public. They might see that as weak and be uncomfortable about it. Maybe he should have been dismissed or set up with another band this time. Not full of rock gods but full of introspective intellectuals like himself.
I have been a Stones fan since the very beginning. Brian was not only the brains behind forming the band and giving it its name but he was a musical genius! It is said that he played 80 instruments. Makes no difference what kind of person he was, the guy was a brilliant musician who like so many others became a huge drug addict and alcoholic at such a tender young age.sad
@@johnwatts8346 True, I would say after they lost Taylor it became a formula band of Richards boring guitar growl. For me the band ended when Taylor split.
My favorite musician of all time,by a large margin.i began playing slide guitar,harmonica,organ ,piano etc. etc. only because of him.Whenever i do a live show,or recording session,he seems to be present. On my original demos last year,i played 33 instruments-Thank You to Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones,what a character,! Fashion Icon,a most mis-understood and somewhat underrated figure, largely due to the continued astounding success of the Leviathan band that he founded.
I have been always a fan...And don't forget that Brian was probably the first with origin in the Rock and Blues genre stepping in a World music direction ... His Joujouka album is groundbreaking and to me one of the best "World music" albums ever made...just ahead of it's Time...❤
Come on, Keith stole his girl and he was a heroin addict. Brian never got $$ credit that he deserved for his work. Mick & Keith did the same thing to Taylor. Having Taylor as the lead guitarist also showed how much that they needed two rhythm guitarists in the early days. I have seen interviews with Mick & Keith where Keith could barely talk. Mick helped Keith out big time back than. He was like protecting him by answering the questions aimed at Keith. The Stones lost Taylor for 3 reasons. Keith was in a very bad way drug wise. 2 His drug use started to spread, Charlie, then Taylor himself, 3 Taylor was never given any song credits $$$. Mick & Keith kept them to themselves even on songs where Keith was too drugged up to contribute. Back in the days when Mick, Keith, and Brian lived in the same flat, Brian & Keith were best friends. I red somewhere that Brian bought Keith's first really good guitar.
" "The Last Time " , Mother's little Helper", "19th nervous Breakdown", "Ruby Tuesday" "Paint it Black " "Under my Thumb". " Get off my Cloud" . Just a few of the songs Brian Jones arranged, sang on , and /or played multiple instruments on.. A Genius 2000 light years from home. UNDER RATED
All we have to do is listen to what other great musicians have said about Brian's musical talent with instruments. He's respected and admired greatly by the greats. I just watched an interview with Paul Jones of Manfred Mann tonight. He gave Brian high acclaim and explained how Brian taught him to play harmonica properly and how to get Blues sound from it. The guy was stylish and creative . Sadly he took too many drugs and loved the wrong woman. Anita was incredible but she was krypton for him. Drugs didnt addle her like they did to him until later when he was dead and she was still banging heroin when pregnant. He was so highly intuitive , the drugs destroyed him. And no one was there to help him understand that he was triggered by the chemical reaction to his brain. Andrew was intent on making Mick & Keith the duo, but Andrew knew he could control Mick & Keith. He couldnt control Brian so he screwed with his mind. Demeaning him. Keith stole his woman and in my opinion that was as low as a dog can go. Mick & Keith both became Brian and neither had the decency to go to his funeral. Cowards! He was not perfect, he was sexual and got girls pregnant, well it takes 2 to do that ! As for the bags,under his eyes, sure looks like kidney disease. If he had lived his kidneys would have plagued him, booze fast tracks it. He was a young good looking guy who was a great intuitive musician and a partier like Hendrix, Harrison, Clapton etc. He was a rock star ! Anyone thinks he didn't form the Rolling Stones or set their style is wrong . No one can ever erase Brian. They can try but they won't succeed. There is no argument. He was amazing and he was the creator and essence of The Rolling Stones, sadly he got drowned by the very ones whom he made float.
I just read your incredible touching treu fair comment! I get tears in my eyes! Maybe it's the first time that i read a normal treu comment about Brian Jones! ..I understand every word , everything you say! But unfortunately i can not answer you as I wish because my english isn't so good! But I agree with you and will thank you! Congratulations my friend! Brian Jones was all this and much more. A Genius musician who found the Rolling Stones! With his talent his magic 🪄 touch they became famous in the beginning!! We will remember Brian always with Respect! Thank you again🙏
You are much too harsh. Keith did not 'steal' Anita, she'd had enough of Brian's physical abuse. Also Mick & Keith knew their attending Brian's funeral would have become a media Circus, which his parents would have hated. Jagger paid his moving tribute at Hyde Park shortly afterward.
Brian Jones created, founded,produced and led the Rolling Stones in the 60’s. The pitiful twins (jagger/richards) never acknowledged the genius of Jones as a multi instrumentalist whose influence can be felt on majority of the earlier hits . R.I.P Brian we still regard you as the pulse of the Rolling Stones period.
Brian loved The Beatles. He knew they had each others' backs. The Stones did not have that tight chemistry among themselves. Once Oldham helped put the wedge between Brian and the Mick - Keef duo, he gave up.
His guitar parts and his input with other instruments generally tend to be the most interesting parts of the songs he played on. I've noticed that the people who knew him but had no reason to belittle his talent almost all had good things to say about him Eddie Kramer, Pete Townsend, Ginger Baker, all the Beatles, Jimmy Page etc all have said he was the most gifted musician in the band and had a lot to offer before his downward spiral, which had a lot to do with the way he was treated by Andrew Oldham and the other Stones. History is written by the victors, or in this case the survivors. . Keith and Mick all had reason to downplay Brian's contributions but the material doesn't lie. The Stones became predictable when Brian left.
In all the videos he is strumming simple bar chords. Keith is playing the interesting parts. Brian had the cool weird looking guitar and cool Beatles style but blonde mop of hair. He looked like he was the lead guitarist, but he just played the basic rhythm parts. Mick and Keith wrote the songs. What did he do that was so great?
@@hewitc Marimbas on Under My Thumb, Sitar on Paint It Black, Any slide guitar parts on the albums were Brian, Mellotron on all the recordings in which one was used. The cool lead riff of Last Time and Get off My Cloud many other early songs on the recordings . Keith took over lead guitar onstage when Brian's skills began to deteriorate, but most of the leads on the recordings were Brian. Keith and Mick wrote good pop songs and Brian very often made them into something memorable with his input. He was the imagination of the Stones . They were much more versatile when Brian was still contributing.
Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Mick is very intelligent and disciplined. That’s why he became the leader. Keith is super bright as well but loved drugs for a l0ng time.
How many people think that now, in 2024, the remaining Stones have reflected somewhat about Brian and feel, even if they keep it to themselves, rather bad or regretful over the way Brian was treated.
Because they did him dirty. I've personally been witness to a band where the Brian Jones character weas eventually pushed out for a number of reasons, one of which is based in jealousy over his musical and playing abilities. Also, pure egos ganging up on one person--it never ends nicely.
Poor Brian suffered the ills that effect millions today. People dying from drugs is more common than ever. Brian Jones will never be forgotten unlike 99.999 % of the people others that died from drugs.
@@brendankane3546 No argument that drowned or was murdered. Or whatever. It's like almost 60 years ago. All his band mates said he had substance abuse problems that led to his ouster from the band. They weren't too shocked at the fact he died. Not sure what your point is.
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963 He was not the founder of any band. He Joined Keith's band , The Blue Boys.
@@brendankane3546 It is true that our 13th President only served one term. But he is still ineligible to run... Not only does he know nothing, but he is far too dead... At least he didn't wear a Diaper.
Brian Jones was a multi-instrumentalist (guitar, sitar, harmonica, xylophone, recorder, oboe) just to name a few. I wonder if he had become a session musician would that have served him better? Brian can be heard on all of the early Rolling Stones recordings and albums on multiple of instruments. Brian was at the top of his game when he formed the band in 1962 by advertising in jazz news for musicians soon the lineup is jazz drummer Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman on Bass, Keith Ritcher on second guitar, Ian Stewart on piano with Mick Jagger as singer an name his band the Rollin' Stones after a Muddy Water song by late 1962 the "G" was added to be known as the Rolling Stones he was the guy who got them gigs made sure they got to the venue on time what songs to play he was like the acting manager of his band in the early days sadly for whatever reason drugs and alcohol or other issue Brian started to lose his statice in the band when he felt he was losing the band he created.
Underrated or Overrated? It simply depends on who's "rating" you are considering. When it's the few zealots who take every opportunity to harp on about Jones being the founder, the best musician in the group and then go further to such as "he was the soul of the group", that Mick and Keith had no right to take over, and that his ousting in 1969 was a huge injustice, then he's overrated. But when it's the majority of Stones fans who give him his due as the founder of the group, who in the early days was good on stage and with "style" as a British Invasion rock state, and made remarkable contributions on some tracks (which no-one else could have done), but also fell apart with self-destructive behaviour and became a liability, then he's neither underrated or overrated. That's about right. Most Stones fans say that the group hit its peak after Jones' departure, and particularly in the Mick Taylor years. Certainly the record sales attest to that. These could be accused of "underrating" Brian Jones - but this just becomes an argument between the classics from the Jones era and the classics from the Taylor era.
Except Brian's contributions were throughout the 60s, not just "the early days." And it was far from just "some tracks." He would take charge in the studio, he helped make them hits. Moreover, Brian championed Blues and World music, which greatly influenced the culture. And he composed an entire movie soundtrack. He certainly pioneered fashion. He was a literal 60s icon. It's the Jones era tracks that continue to define the band for for the general public, because it was by far the most creative. Taylor is great, but there were a lot of great guitarists in the 70s. There’s only one Brian Jones. 😎 And I find Taylor fans to be quite insecure, constantly needing to put Brian, Keith, and Ronnie down.
I don't like pointing fingers of blame but his father was clearly a total arsehole, which may well have contributed greatly to his messed-up psychological state from an early age…
@terencebentley8398 having never read a biography of Brian Jones you may be correct. Sad all the way around actually. Such a great talent and such a mess of a life.
By the general public he is underrated. He was the leader and public mouthpiece of The Rolling Stones. He is the one who always encouraged creativity and going beyond only doing blues and Chuck Berry covers. Anything memorable on a Stones song before 1968 that wasn’t Mick singing was Brian Jones. However I don’t think he is either over or underrated by people who know this stuff. He’s appreciated exactly as he should be
This is a wonderful documentary of the Stones. Is sad Brian ruined himself with drinking and drugs. His music contributions by the unique sounds he made with different instruments made those early tunes the best. It didn’t matter he couldn’t write. I thought as a young teenager he was always the cutest. Mick just displayed himself as the bad boy type that attracted the girls. I liked them all, but I just thought Brian was the best looking until he self destructed himself. The personality difference between him and Mick just caused havoc. Was a shame he couldn’t hold it together. The drugs of the 1960s were totally ridiculous and out of hand with the rock groups.
Thank God for rock and Rolling Stones fans Andrew Loog Oldham saw early on that Jagger and Richards had the song writing talent and the discipline to do it! Or no one in the world would ever know The Rolling Stones, they would’ve never been so big and famous if it weren’t for Jagger and Richards. Brian may have pulled them together in the very beginning but from two bands, Dick Taylor’s Little Boy Blue and the Blue boys and Alexis Korner’s Blues incorporated, Brian formed the Stones but by the time they were famous it was Jagger/Richards performances and compositions. Love what Brian did, but even if the claims that he did more contributions than he got credit for, it’s not a whole hell of a lot. Good or great even but still can be counted on one hand and even so it’s the singer’s voice that moves a song more than the marimbas. Imagine Under My Thumb without Mick Jagger, or Paint it Black, The Last time, Ruby Tuesday all songs that had the heavier influential elements of Jones, great that they may be. The real tragedy about Brian Jones is that he had a lot of talent but didn’t really lead the band. Had Brian been more confident in himself and less envious he probably would have made more contributions and possibly made the Stones an even better band, if that’s possible. Destiny or God has it’s ways of making things they way the work out. The Rolling Stones did great with or without Brian Jones but he deserves to be remembered for what he actually did do, not any more or less. Honestly I think Brian Jones is both, underrated and overrated.
Brian's remarks about the feelings of parents towards their children is probably greater than anything he did in music - and he did some great stuff. I'm not a huge fan of Brian, but I'm a fan of the incredible insightfulness of his remarks on that subject.
12:50 Linda Lawrence married Donovan and Brian's son Julian Brian is now Donovan's adopted son. Donovan and Linda's granddaughter Coco is the daughter of Shaun Ryder of Happy Mondays.
Brian Jones has : - founded the Band - found their name - been a brillant multi intrumentist who gave strength to many early Rolling stones songs (Paint it black, Under my thumb, Ruby Tuesday, Lady Jane, She's a rainbow, to name a few..) - He certainly also inspired the famous "Sex Drugs and Rock and roll" Once this said, Rolling stones have made their unreal successfull career mostly because of Jagger/Richards. Keith Richards is the Riff master while Mick Jagger is the best visionnaire frontman in Show business ever. Charlie Watts also grandly participated to their sound.
Mick and Keith wrote great songs, but Brian put some fairy dust on them. On TSMR album Brian''s influence is huge, he is all over the album. He just had his ego smashed in so many ways, he was too weak to be a leader and too crazy to keep Anita.
All the great early hits of the Stones you can hear Jones iconic sound in each big hit , and without that iconic sound that Jones gave to each song, then quite possibly the song might not have been the hit that they had become. Anyone who thinks that Jones had no baring on the groups early hits ( the ones that made the Stones what they become) , obviously doesn't have much of a clue about the composition of the music itself , and I'm not talking about Jaggers singing .
That's the truth! And is so simple to understand that Brian was the most important, the most talented and the founder of the Stones! Thank you Brian Jones! Respect 🙏
The two narcissist liars Richard’s and jagger would have you believe he is overrated but anyone that knows anything about music and listens to his contributions know he is in fact underrated. He also wrote ruby Tuesday too which for some reason mick and Keith never gave him any credit for.
100%. Throw in greedy too. They did the same to Mick Taylor, stealing writing credits , turned that kid into a junkie. Mick & Keith are scum. Rich famous scum but none the less they have no inner soul. They denounce Brian but they stole from him and never even had the balls to go to his funeral.
A local gangster admitted on his deathbed "It was me who killed Brian." As many such do, he operated a construction industry business as a front for his criminal activities. Brian hired his company to do some construction work at his country estate. Brian eventually realized that he was cheating him kind of outrageously and fired him - when they were alone there one evening. Then began swimming laps in his in-ground swimming pool. The larger/more muscular gangster jumped into the pool, grabbed Brian, and held his head under water until he drowned. When his body was found floating in the pool the next day, the authorities deduced that it was just another case of another dope fiend pop music star who'd managed to die of misadventure while high.
He had fresh water in his lungs,no chlorine. I believe with every fiber Mick and Kieth and the suits know. He owned the name and that would have cost them big time
Well produced video guys. Story editing is great. The announcer's pronunciation sounds good. Re the story: Notice the similarities between Brian and Syd Barrett of Floyd.
The core of the Rolling Stones was and still is Jagger and Richard. Brian did some beautiful coloring around the edges of their songs. And that's it ! And because of this he has become a cult following . His biggest mistake was not hanging in there. That's the tragedy! 🎸
Interestingly (sadly, in what was to follow later) when the 'Stones' appeared at the Palais in St Kilda, Victoria, February 1965, they were introduced as "Brian Jones and his Rolling Stones'
Le problème de Brian Jones est qu'il n'écrivait pas de chanson. Par contre, il avait des idées géniales pour mettre en valeur les morceaux (instruments divers joués par lui). Il aurait dû quitter le groupe si il s'y sentait mal et tenter une carrière solo. Je trouve sa trajectoire très similaire à celle de Syd Barrett.
"Brian's input can be heard in every song on those RCA recordings. What he didn't touch, he went out and learned. You hear his color in songs like Lady Jane or Paint It, Black. In some cases it was more than a decorative effect. Sometimes Brian would pull the whole record."--Andrew Loog Oldham
"Brian was a brilliant, fluent multi-instrumentalist, he was the one who founded the Rolling Stones and he had the creative vision that helped them to evolve organically from a mop-top blues-pop group into the mystical rock gods they became--something that many people today might not realise."--Mick Fleetwood
I don't think there's any doubt that had Brian been able to make it al the way to the other side of that turbulent period of his life in the summer of 69', he would've lived through a peek in his career similar to that of The Stones, if not eclipsing them, if not at least for awhile. Although he had soured his relationships with most, if not all of his former band members, he still had a lot friends, respect, and admiration among London's rock n' roll elite and he was still under contract. Like so many others have at various points of their careers, he could have dried out a bit, put together a new band under his namesake and remained pure to the blues without fear of the kind of mutiny he experienced with The Stones. The research in this piece was pretty thorough, though oddly failed to mention that Brian had broken both of his wrists in 67', leaving him for a time, unable, and then perhaps uninterested, in playing the guitar, however this could've easily changed by 1970, or of course having been a trained pianist from childhood, he could've just as easily led an outfit has a keyboardist then later on hitting another stride as a synth pop rocker in the 80's. Unfortunately we'll never know, I do hope that one day we'll have a clue as to why British Intelligence has sealed documents surrounding his untimely death.
Who is being quoted in the narration that claims Jones is the “Man behind the music for Under my thumb, Ruby Tuesday, Paint it Black and Child of the moon?” Jones played instruments that definitely gave some creative distinction to those songs but he’s not “the man behind that music” anymore than Mick Jagger is for solely singing the songs with the exception that Jagger is the man behind all those songs along with Keith. Jagger did admit he had nothing to do with Ruby Tuesday, that was Keith’s song with Brian playing the recorder and it’s possible but never been confirmed that Brian had more to with co-writing that song. Keith was very much responsible for the Elizabethan and darker Spanish moorish sounds in Play with Fire, paint it Black, Ruby Tuesday and Lady Jane which Jagger did write the lyrics long with the melody as he did most melodies. Why doesn’t the video give the source of the claims made by the anonymous narrator? Everyone else is quoted, from Brian’s girlfriends to all the Stones, Paul McCartney etc…
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I think Brian Jones is responsible for The Stones overall popularity; without his early unique contributions, the other Stones would just be some guys that played some clubs in the 60s then faded, like so many others.
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
We hope you watch this video until the end...but anyway this is the CONCLUSION of this video / documentary: The tragic narrative surrounding Jones, his struggles with addiction, and eventual departure from the band undoubtedly contributes to the romanticized perception of his significance. The "what if" factor is significant, but attributing the band's later successes solely to his absence is simply inaccurate The myth of a marginalized visionary often overlooks the reality of interpersonal dynamics. Jones's erratic behavior and unreliability played a role in his diminishing position within the band. It wasn't just a matter of suppressing artistic expression; it was a necessity for the band to have stability and cohesion to thrive. Considering both perspectives reveals Brian Jones as a complex figure in rock and roll history. While his early contributions to The Rolling Stones are undeniable, questions arise about the sustainability of his impact due to personal struggles and departure. Ultimately, whether Brian Jones is deemed underrated or overrated remains a matter of personal interpretation. What remains indisputable is the enduring legacy he forged as a groundbreaking musician and cultural icon. His influence echoes through the music industry, attesting to his profound impact on rock and roll. Deciding if Brian Jones is underrated or overrated is totally up to our own take. No denying he played a huge part in The Rolling Stones' early success, bringing in cool instruments and shaking up the rock scene. But the personal and professional struggles he faced later on throw some shade on his legacy with the band. The debate around Brian Jones shows just how tricky it is to figure out a musician's impact, especially in a legendary band like The Rolling Stones. No matter where we stand on the Brian Jones scale, one thing's for sure - he left his mark on the rock and roll journey, giving fans and critics plenty to ponder about his true spot in the musical history books. Rest In Peace Brian JONES!
@@RockinRollinOne I watched it until the end .Thank you very awesome treu comment! Brian Jones was a very precious musician. He was the one who found and made the Stones.. After so many years he is gone, he stays the most important Stone! It was his BAND!
@@RockinRollinOne Danke für die ausführliche Erklärung...verstehe es jetzt etwas besser...ich werde es mir schon bis zum Schluss ansehen...allerdings fehlen mir jetzt langsam Kommentare dazu aber man kann auch mal schweigender Zuhörerer sein...auf jeden Fall herzlichen Dank und liebe Grüße...🌻...
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Drugs Obviously was his Downfall ' His Ego Deflated Thanks to Richard's The Anita Connection 🤷♂️ His Genius was Unquestionable ' An Instrumental Artistic Genius 👑🙏
Over rated. Primarily because of the hype of him starting the band and what that meant. Andrew leaned on Mick and Keith because they were driven and stable; Brian was inconsistent and unstable. No Mick, no Keith, no Stones. I hate how Brian's disintegration as a person and a musician is played up as some sort of beautiful tragedy, when it's just a guy who couldn't handle fame and loved getting high above all else. Brian was no different than the neighborhood drunk; he was just younger and famous. However. He was a key figure in the rebirth of Blues as a music form to be imitated and built upon. His enthusiasm was a chief mover for popularizing that sound and that movement in Britain. His contributions as a lead player on various instruments is undeniable. He added so much amazing stuff to their records. However, we wouldn't be talking about him if Mick and Keith hadn't written the songs in the first place and that phenomenal rhythm that makes Stones songs move so well wan't underneath whatever Brian was doing. Stu, Nicky, Ry Cooder and others filled the void until Taylor was hired. And many other British groups were inspired independently from the blues, if it hadn't been Brian, it would have been somebody else; he was just the first popular voice of that movement. Also, he was a cancer to that band and an a$$hole, which meant he ended up failing at his primary role. A horrible father and treated women like garbage. He was poor human being. You wouldn't have liked him.
Much like The Doors and Morrison the 60's seemed like a time when no one knew how to help someone who was battling drug addiction, depression or a personality crisis. Jim being a larger than life character the other bandmates were probably afraid of him but in Brians case the group just threw him under the bus and figured let someone else deal with him, even though there was no one who would. as a musician I believe he never got the credit due to him, as a person it seemed much like Morrison, He was fine until he got too far into the bottle to cope. A tragedy for everyone but mostly for the fans who were denied more of his remarkable creativity.
I feel bad for Brian because he was such a talented musician but the band relationships and the drugs/booze intake got way out of control. I wish he could've found some help for his problems before his death. Gone before his true creative peak. The story of so many in this business.
One thing for sure The Stones (whom I love don't get it twisted), play this "street role" in all actuality they were anything but street, they come from privileged backgrounds YOU CAN SEE IT!
CLEARLY… Brian Jones demise was irrevocably, affected by Jagger and Richards, squeezing him out I can’t believe the guy stayed around so long to take so much punishment But then again, I did that in a marriage once for seven years 🤣🤣🤣
Nice bunch of guessing there from you. His bandmates didn’t want him gone. He wanted to be gone and that was a huge obstacle for the band riding the very top of the wave of their fame.
@@artysanmobile no guessing AT ALL there’s a bunch of documentary footage, literally dozens of clips both Jagger and Richards commenting candidly over the years. They most certainly did NOT want him there. you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY!!
It's impossible to make an assessment of a man you've never met and never walked a mile in his shoes, but after hearing what the other guys are saying about him, they're making it sound like Brian wasn't necessarily the toughest nail in the box. I know that just from playing local beer joints and frat parties, you have to have a certain level of stamina and a fairly thick skin because it's actually kind of a rough blue collar job. I never reached anywhere near the level those guys did, but Mick was saying that fame didn't sit well in Brian's shoulders. Maybe he just wasn't cut out for the job. Maybe he just collapsed under the pressure. A lot of what was said here sounds like the Syd Barrett story.
Brian Jones, the founding member of The Rolling Stones, was a multi-talented musician and a pivotal figure in the 1960s rock and roll scene. However, the assessment of his impact and contribution to the band and the music industry as a whole has been a subject of debate among fans and critics alike. Is Brian Jones underrated or overrated? In This video we delve into his musical journey and examine the arguments on both sides of this intriguing question.
No Jones No Stones, No Keith No Stones, No Jagger No Stones, No Charlie No Stones. As was Dick Taylor, that was the original band, Bill came later. They were all founding members. That's the TRUTH! 🎸🎶 ❤
You needed SONGS! ORIGINAL SONGS!! after 1964. Brian fell behind due to addiction and no songwriting talent.@@RockinRollinOne which would you really choose, two one finger typists but great storytellers or the world's fastest and best typist who had NO STORIES TO TELL?
Brian was special. It is sad he went down and sad that he died. To me he will always be a gem and a very special musician. 😊
Brian didn't live long enough to realize much potential.
Mick had a song named after him, Brian Jones has an entire band named after him !
Brian's creativity as a musician is one of the reasons why I became a Rolling Stones fan in 1979 and continue to be one today. The colors he added to their sound with the different instruments he played were incredible. He could improve a good song by adding an instrument like a dulcimer, marimba, recorder, or mellotron - and he did it many times. He was one of the pioneers of World Music and he was the first Stone to compose a film score. He was one of the great fashion icons of the 1960s music scene. Lets us also not forget how he broke his arse in the early days by writing letters to record labels and music journalists trying to get exposure for the band. He also went around to the London clubs encouraging the owners to book the Stones for early gigs before they became famous. His role in the Rolling Stones was HUGE.
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
@@TheaterPup Keith is a liar
Totely agree with you
@@Arya-1111 ??? Of all the things that can be said of Keith, I don't think that I've ever heard anyone say that Keith lied. Seems to me that, good or bad, Keith has always been quick to own whatever he has done. I believe that, of all things, Keith would not hesitate to tell the absolute truth! He has always owned whatever he had done, and has no need to lie about any of it.
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What is Keith 'lying' about??? That Brian took drugs completely recklessly & had stopped functioning ? Charlie said much the same so he's also 'a liar' ??!!
You have nothing to support your bald assertion 🤫
I was 21 the year Brian died and I was living in South Ken in London and went to the Stones Hyde Park Concert tripping on Acid..
I remember it like it was yesterday as nobody I knew had died at that time except old Grannies or Uncles but never one of our own generation, we were all stunned.
Its often said that the brightest light burns out the fastest... That was Brian Jones..
@abw48 So that's what happened. That EERIE feeling I got back in late June early July in 1969. That young man died. I was 6 then & even I felt I felt his death.☠️
ABW THATS good what kind of acid was it microdot and did u go to the soft machine cat Stevens Hyde park show ?
@@waynesilverman3048 : There was no Microdot in those days, only liquid and later pill form, mostly I took liquid. Never knew Cat Stevens and Soft Machine played in Hyde Park. I knew people that were close friends of the Soft Machine guys but I never met them. I left the UK in 1970 and never lived there again except for a few months when I got stuck there before I hopped the Pond to Toronto and then down to New York City in 1981.
Very very OVERRATED. He was a horrible Person. Impossible to work with. Sexually assaulted several women, fathered random children then abandoned, couldn’t even play his instruments anymore. And was kicked out he band. Then they started their greatest and most successful period and he had nothing to do with it. He was overrated. Just Because the guy died dosent make him a hero. He was evil.
@@someguy42093 : Brian was certainly not evil though unlike you he was also not perfect... He had trouble handling fame and certainly loved and treated many women in a not so nice manner....He took a combo of drugs which fried his brain and didn't turn up for rehearsals and that's why Jagger and Richards told him he was out of the Band and today Jagger and Richards admit they could have handled the situation better but we were all so young then and knew nothing about addiction or how to get out of it.
Brian founded the Rolling Stones and I assume you know why they are called as such...Without Brian there would be no Rolling Stones..
I grew up along with them all but Im guessing you were not even born in 1969.. It was a very different time.
Some of you aren’t quite getting this. Brian Jones wasn’t just a member of the Stones. He wasn’t just a multi instrumentalist. He was a literal ‘60s icon. In music, in fashion, in way of life. And he used his position to put so many others in the spotlight. We take his influence for granted today. There will never be another Brian Jones. Period. ✌️
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None of them get it. He was also the first guy to apply slide on a guitar neck in Britain. His influence could not be overstated, despite his early demise.
So who doesn't get it?
He wasn't a literal anything. He WAS a musical something.
Bravo !
The Stones produced great records consistently into the early 80s. However, its been said, and I agree, that in throws of psychedelia, and competing with the Beatles, it was Jones that provided the flourishes that helped the band create the sound of the times. For the 60's, his contributions were essential.
The Rolling Stones died after Exile on Main Street.
Long Live the Rolling Stones as they have turned into a SIR Michael Jagger and the Supremes.
@@abw48Some girls was a great record. Goats head and tattoo you were ok. But yeah they were fading after exile.
psychedelia - The Velvet Underground - Lou Reed
Anyone who is a fan of the Stones from their 1960s period knows how important Brian Jones was on a lot of the songs. Slide on Little Red Rooster and I Just Can't Be Satisfied, Lead Guitar on Last Time, Sitar on Paint it Black, Marimba on Under My Thumb, incredible Soprano Sax on Dandelion and of course my favourite the Recorder on Ruby Tuesday. Neither underated or overrated.
the "lead guitar" on The Last Time was not really the lead guitar though. he did in fact BEGIN the song and played the main riff, but that was Keith's idea so that Keith could have all the fun playing insane rhythm guitar. same with Suzy Q and It's All Over Now.
Jones's true LEADS were, as you said, ALL SLIDE GUITAR songs.
@@cultfilmfreakreviews That solo from Keef,while effective & perfectly fine, pales in comparison to Brian's lead riff in the "Last Time "
@@cultfilmfreakreviews Indeed , what Brian was given to play on the last time was a repeating accompaniment riff... Keith would give Brian a simple repeating guitar line and put him on autopilot like a sequencer. Then Keith was free to get creative with improvisational rhythm guitar. with accents and syncopations to enhance the vocals.
Brian's true leads? I can count them on two fingers ...were written by other artists.
Jones was a copyist not a creator.
Jones' idea of a lead break was to play the sung melody exactly as it was sung without variation. I Wanna Be Your Man is a perfect example of how shallow Brian was musically.
I hate listening to the stones version because , being more familiar with the Beatles version I badly miss Georges brilliant modal rave up composition with the syncopated double stops playing against the unrelenting jungle rhythm. The guitar break in the Beatles version was something to look forward to... Brian's scratchy mostly out of tune, slide, copying the sung melody was trite, tedious and predictable.
No puedes sentirte un Rolling Stones, si Brian no esta contigo-
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The only Truth is that Brian Jones was the original Rolling Stone 🎸👏. Respect to the GENIUS MULTITALEND MUSICIAN founder of the Stones Brian Jones! Forever remembered 🎸🎶 ❤
❤I totally agree 👍 he was a great member of the stones and he was doing fine till that money grabbing Andrew started to edge him out of the band putting all the spotlight on Mick jagger and Keith. That is what did it for Brian because he started the band he got them recognised as a talented band.. I do believe they later tried to take the piss and edged him out.. 😢maybe it was because he wasn't a nice person but I tend to think there was a lot more to that behind the scenes story. Also they all did as much drugs and alcohol as he did especially Keith Richards but he just got lucky and survived but also the rest of the band covered for him when he needed and gave him lots of help they all managed to have time for each others misdemeanours but had no time for Brian their friend who started the band whom without his early input and musical talent they might never have been discovered and made their millions & millions. Yes they went on to write lots of hits and give them their due the music 🎶 was and still is brilliant 👏 to this day.. but really they have a lot to thank Brian for and also be sorry to Brian for... 😢
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963
He was not the founder of any band. He Joined Keith's band , The Blue Boys.
Brian was a very talented musician. His direction for the music was not going to get them popular - he really wasn't into pop and couldn't write songs and it's that simple. Mick and Keith were the songwriters, a singer and guitarist. They are going to get the fame, not a musician who can only add great bits to the song. Mastery of Instruments was great. The marimbas he played on Under My Thumbs. The sitar on Paint it Black. Etc. Thanks Brian. Maybe in another band in another time in another face.
If they had followed his vision for the band , neither you nor I would have ever heard of them
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...and will never be forgotten.
He was VERY underrated.Multi-instrumentalist,and innovator.R.I.P. Brian 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
His playing on Ruby Tuesday is beautiful, I am astounded every time I hear it. Amazing talent
Brian was always my favorite. The sound, the style, the image, the total groovy look of true rock n roll. Brain broke the ground for what a real rock star was.
Jim Morrison did, John Lennon did, Bob Dylan did, Brian Jones? No.
“Brian Jones was indeed the father of what we now regard as world music…Brian’s championing of ethnic players such as the Moroccan Master Musicians of Joujouka back in 1967 should be regarded as groundbreaking artistic development, portents of the future.”-John Phillpott, Blues in Britain
I mean, what would "Ruby Tuesday", "Under My Thumb", "Paint It Black", "2000 Light Years From Home", "The Last Time", or "No Expectations" be without his contributions? He was a miserable, troubled soul, but for a brief flash from 66-67 he was a brilliant and unique musician. I love a lot of their 70's stuff, but I'm definitely much more of a 60's Stones fan.
She's a Rainbow... I agree fully.
He was the leading musical contributor for many of the band’s actual masterpieces, the reason I idolized them as an 11 year old. Those songs are timeless in a way much of their straight riddum stuff will never be. I listen to Her Majesty’s as much as the rest of their records put together.
UMT and PIB 👍🏼👍🏼
In 1966 they came out with High Tide and Green Grass which was a compilation of their hits. That is unheard of since they only hit the scene in 1964.
Dont forget lady jane
His recorder playing is the only time I can stand hearing that instrument.
Bo Diddley described Brian Jones as "a little dude that was trying to pull the group ahead. I saw him as the leader. He didn't take no mess. He was a fantastic cat; he handled the group beautifully. He’s the only white cat that ever got my rhythm.” - Bo Diddley speaking of Rolling Stone, Brian Jones, 1963 !
Here is the actual quote from Bo Diddley " Brian was the only cat I knew who worked out the 'secret' of it all "...nothing about being White,or rhythm.(Wyman,Aftel,et al ) May i ask where your version came from ? Seriously
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Thanks for replying back. Hmmmmmmmmmm
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That quote is on plenty of sites. Just type the quote and it will pop up.
@@SuperAnimelover100 still waiting for the source of your Bo Diddley mis-quote(insert Smiley face emoji here )
it's just that Mick and Keith did the songwriting. a band HAS TO have original songs, especially going up against The Beatles.
From the beginning, The Rolling Stones was conceived as a guitar band, and that has remained their signature to present. They built their sound around the interplay of two, sometimes three guitars. During the Jones' era, this sound was established with electric guitars (e.g. "Get Off My Cloud"; "19th Nervous Breakdown"), acoustic and electric guitars (e.g. "The Last Time"; "Satisfaction"; "Think"), and acoustic guitars (e.g. "Sitting on a Fence"; "No Expectations"); however, what separates this era from the future band incarnations was Jones' instrumental versatility, whereby he sometimes substituted other instruments for the guitar (e.g. "Lady Jane"; "Under My Thumb"; "Backstreet Girl"), adding interest to the music. This was appreciated by the band and public alike. Some, like myself, prefer this era of the band.
No they didn't 👍🏻👈🏻
@@Harp_and_Guitar_Moving_Forward "No they didn't" what?
Bill Wyman is such an enduring champion of Brian. It's very nice. Brian had a gift for multinstrumental hooks that did more than just hook. They swallowed up the song and commandeered its mood. Brilliant.
I agree, i have always thought fairly/unfairly that Mick and Keith have always been happier airbrushing him out.. I might be wrong but it's just my opinion
Very very OVERRATED. He was a horrible Person. Impossible to work with. Sexually assaulted several women, fathered random children then abandoned, couldn’t even play his instruments anymore. And was kicked out he band. Then they started their greatest and most successful period and he had nothing to do with it. He was overrated. Just Because the guy died dosent make him a hero. He was evil.
It's easy to kick someone down when there not here.........we will never know the full story
they did just fine without him. I always wondered what his contribution really was.
@hewitc Thats an awful thing to say. Shame on you.
@@donaldmack2307 Why? I listened to the Stones when they first came out and followed them over the years. Brian looked cool so the girls liked him, but musically? He was always given credit for miscellaneous contributions. I've seen him play guitar on videos-- nothing special. Strumming rhythm, occasionally playing a simple riff. What am I missing? Can someone be more specific about what he contributed, maybe a link to a video?
@@hewitc here's a link to my ck, it needs sking
Tbf to Brian, a lot of those live videos are usually mimed to the album track; I think a lot of musicians decide to play simpler stuff on those cuz why put in the effort?
I think with his musical contributions, is interest in other musical instruments does add a nice bit of sound to the mid 60's albums, my favorite example would be the stuff he played on between the buttons.
Granted that doesn't mean he's the only contributor. There are also people like Jack Nietzsche who contributed some lovely piano and harpsichord parts. I personally think Brian and Jack were the two guys that made that aftermath period really special.
The sad thing about Brian dying for me is the fact that he was at least trying to regroup himself and form another band. He was actually still interested in things like the music from different cultures and electronic synthesis so he still had that interest to change his sound. I think at best he would have done better as a underground kind of thing but we don't know.
I do think the stone did fine without him personally and I think that's how it should have been honestly; I don't think Brian really wanted to be in the stones by the time he got fired. I personally think they were good up until Mick Taylor left
UNDERRATED !! Brian Jones was brilliant
No he was not. Listen to Sympathy for the devil. Catastrophe. I was better after 3 months :-)))
He was sugar and spice in the early years on stage and in studio. So sad how he ended so young and today is nearly forgotten.
@@neverforget6523 The Stones were always an overrated band. They never had the talent for composing outstanding stuff like the Beatles and didn't have the power of the Who or the Kinks. They were just - at the right place in the right time.
@@neverforget6523 Brian Jones will be never forgotten, because he was the founder of the Stones and the most talented!
@@neverforget6523 Brian will be NEVER FORGOTTEN!.
He rates up there with the best 🎼🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Down there
On records you can hear Brian Jones plays these instruments: The Mellontron, Marimbas, Saxaphone, Harpsicord, Flute, and Japanese Koto. He also played: piano, guitar, harmonica, organ, sitar and drums..... Nuff' said.
I wish he could have let his ego go and graciously step to the side. Maybe that's not a good look for the public. They might see that as weak and be uncomfortable about it. Maybe he should have been dismissed or set up with another band this time. Not full of rock gods but full of introspective intellectuals like himself.
I have been a Stones fan since the very beginning. Brian was not only the brains behind forming the band and giving it its name but he was a musical genius! It is said that he played 80 instruments. Makes no difference what kind of person he was, the guy was a brilliant musician who like so many others became a huge drug addict and alcoholic at such a tender young age.sad
Brian was a woman beater yuck get a new hero
Btw, the new documentary The Stones and Brian Jones is on DVD on February 13. 😊
Thanks for the info. :)
Without Jones, the Stones output became ultra bland.
nonsense- let it bleed sticky fingers and exile are their 3 most famous albums,
@@johnwatts8346 True, I would say after they lost Taylor it became a formula band of Richards boring guitar growl. For me the band ended when Taylor split.
Merci a bill Wyman.
There would be NO Rolling Stones without Brian Jones
My favorite musician of all time,by a large margin.i began playing slide guitar,harmonica,organ ,piano etc. etc. only because of him.Whenever i do a live show,or recording session,he seems to be present. On my original demos last year,i played 33 instruments-Thank You to Lewis Brian Hopkin Jones,what a character,! Fashion Icon,a most mis-understood and somewhat underrated figure, largely due to the continued astounding success of the Leviathan band that he founded.
He definitely had style. When you see photographs of the group he stands out.
You bet. Sexy classy looking !
I have been always a fan...And don't forget that Brian was probably the first with origin in the Rock and Blues genre stepping in a World music direction ...
His Joujouka album is groundbreaking and to me one of the best "World music" albums ever made...just ahead of it's Time...❤
Love Brian I enjoyed his creativity great songs and he had presence. ❤
he lived but no one taught him how to live. Epic talent.
When Brian left the Stones lost the sound color in there music......most of the Stones "Classic" songs were done during the Brian Era...
Come on, Keith stole his girl and he was a heroin addict. Brian never got $$ credit that he deserved for his work. Mick & Keith did the same thing to Taylor. Having Taylor as the lead guitarist also showed how much that they needed two rhythm guitarists in the early days. I have seen interviews with Mick & Keith where Keith could barely talk. Mick helped Keith out big time back than. He was like protecting him by answering the questions aimed at Keith. The Stones lost Taylor for 3 reasons. Keith was in a very bad way drug wise. 2 His drug use started to spread, Charlie, then Taylor himself, 3 Taylor was never given any song credits $$$. Mick & Keith kept them to themselves even on songs where Keith was too drugged up to contribute. Back in the days when Mick, Keith, and Brian lived in the same flat, Brian & Keith were best friends. I red somewhere that Brian bought Keith's first really good guitar.
Bullsh*t.
Taylor left to save his marriage and his Life from drugs!
100%
But those other guys are session players Who couldn't write songs.
" "The Last Time " , Mother's little Helper", "19th nervous Breakdown", "Ruby Tuesday" "Paint it Black " "Under my Thumb". " Get off my Cloud" . Just a few of the songs Brian Jones arranged, sang on , and /or played multiple instruments on.. A Genius 2000 light years from home. UNDER RATED
All we have to do is listen to what other great musicians have said about Brian's musical talent with instruments. He's respected and admired greatly by the greats. I just watched an interview with Paul Jones of Manfred Mann tonight. He gave Brian high acclaim and explained how Brian taught him to play harmonica properly and how to get Blues sound from it. The guy was stylish and creative . Sadly he took too many drugs and loved the wrong woman. Anita was incredible but she was krypton for him. Drugs didnt addle her like they did to him until later when he was dead and she was still banging heroin when pregnant. He was so highly intuitive , the drugs destroyed him. And no one was there to help him understand that he was triggered by the chemical reaction to his brain. Andrew was intent on making Mick & Keith the duo, but Andrew knew he could control Mick & Keith. He couldnt control Brian so he screwed with his mind. Demeaning him. Keith stole his woman and in my opinion that was as low as a dog can go. Mick & Keith both became Brian and neither had the decency to go to his funeral. Cowards! He was not perfect, he was sexual and got girls pregnant, well it takes 2 to do that ! As for the bags,under his eyes, sure looks like kidney disease. If he had lived his kidneys would have plagued him, booze fast tracks it. He was a young good looking guy who was a great intuitive musician and a partier like Hendrix, Harrison, Clapton etc. He was a rock star ! Anyone thinks he didn't form the Rolling Stones or set their style is wrong . No one can ever erase Brian. They can try but they won't succeed. There is no argument. He was amazing and he was the creator and essence of The Rolling Stones, sadly he got drowned by the very ones whom he made float.
I just read your incredible touching treu fair comment! I get tears in my eyes! Maybe it's the first time that i read a normal treu comment about Brian Jones! ..I understand every word , everything you say! But unfortunately i can not answer you as I wish because my english isn't so good! But I agree with you and will thank you! Congratulations my friend! Brian Jones was all this and much more. A Genius musician who found the Rolling Stones! With his talent his magic 🪄 touch they became famous in the beginning!! We will remember Brian always with Respect! Thank you again🙏
@@elenikorkodelaki2695 , Thank you for also understanding his talent and place in history. All the best to you .
@@catlover4700 Thank you my friend! I wish you the same!
You are much too harsh. Keith did not 'steal' Anita, she'd had enough of Brian's physical abuse.
Also Mick & Keith knew their attending Brian's funeral would have become a media Circus, which his parents would have hated. Jagger paid his moving tribute at Hyde Park shortly afterward.
Brian Jones created, founded,produced and led the Rolling Stones in the 60’s. The pitiful twins (jagger/richards) never acknowledged the genius of Jones as a multi instrumentalist whose influence can be felt on majority of the earlier hits . R.I.P Brian we still regard you as the pulse of the Rolling Stones period.
Sayin better.. imposible👍
I agree with you.. BRIAN JONES was the only treu Rolling Stone the most charismatic musician!! Respect!!
Brian loved The Beatles. He knew they had each others' backs. The Stones did not have that tight chemistry among themselves. Once Oldham helped put the wedge between Brian and the Mick - Keef duo, he gave up.
The Beatles chemistry was so tight they broke up
@@mrsatire9475No, it just ran it's course, that's all. End of an era.
@@RICHBLACKCOCK Pfft, talk about running its course, not even the Beatles liked the Beatles.
Tell that to Yoko! Lol! 😉
Tell that to Yoko! Lol! 😉
His guitar parts and his input with other instruments generally tend to be the most interesting parts of the songs he played on. I've noticed that the people who knew him but had no reason to belittle his talent almost all had good things to say about him Eddie Kramer, Pete Townsend, Ginger Baker, all the Beatles, Jimmy Page etc all have said he was the most gifted musician in the band and had a lot to offer before his downward spiral, which had a lot to do with the way he was treated by Andrew Oldham and the other Stones. History is written by the victors, or in this case the survivors. . Keith and Mick all had reason to downplay Brian's contributions but the material doesn't lie. The Stones became predictable when Brian left.
In all the videos he is strumming simple bar chords. Keith is playing the interesting parts. Brian had the cool weird looking guitar and cool Beatles style but blonde mop of hair. He looked like he was the lead guitarist, but he just played the basic rhythm parts. Mick and Keith wrote the songs. What did he do that was so great?
@@hewitc Marimbas on Under My Thumb, Sitar on Paint It Black, Any slide guitar parts on the albums were Brian, Mellotron on all the recordings in which one was used. The cool lead riff of Last Time and Get off My Cloud many other early songs on the recordings . Keith took over lead guitar onstage when Brian's skills began to deteriorate, but most of the leads on the recordings were Brian. Keith and Mick wrote good pop songs and Brian very often made them into something memorable with his input. He was the imagination of the Stones . They were much more versatile when Brian was still contributing.
Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Mick is very intelligent and disciplined. That’s why he became the leader. Keith is super bright as well but loved drugs for a l0ng time.
How many people think that now, in 2024, the remaining Stones have reflected somewhat about Brian and feel, even if they keep it to themselves, rather bad or regretful over the way Brian was treated.
Because they did him dirty. I've personally been witness to a band where the Brian Jones character weas eventually pushed out for a number of reasons, one of which is based in jealousy over his musical and playing abilities. Also, pure egos ganging up on one person--it never ends nicely.
Poor Brian suffered the ills that effect millions today. People dying from drugs is more common than ever. Brian Jones will never be forgotten unlike 99.999 % of the people others that died from drugs.
Politely,i remind you.....Brian was tragically drowned.
@@brendankane3546 The final outcome after a long downward spiral.
@@kabiam so, ultimately all roads lead to being drown ? or just if you party too much ?
@@brendankane3546 No argument that drowned or was murdered. Or whatever. It's like almost 60 years ago. All his band mates said he had substance abuse problems that led to his ouster from the band. They weren't too shocked at the fact he died. Not sure what your point is.
my point is rather simple-Brian died,NOT from drugs.Are you in need of further explanation?
“The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R&B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the ‘Stones.’”--- Brian Jones 1963
He was not the founder of any band. He Joined Keith's band , The Blue Boys.
@@brendankane3546 It is true that our 13th President only served one term. But he is still ineligible to run...
Not only does he know nothing, but he is far too dead... At least he didn't wear a Diaper.
Brian Jones was a multi-instrumentalist (guitar, sitar, harmonica, xylophone, recorder, oboe) just to name a few. I wonder if he had become a session musician would that have served him better? Brian can be heard on all of the early Rolling Stones recordings and albums on multiple of instruments.
Brian was at the top of his game when he formed the band in 1962 by advertising in jazz news for musicians soon the lineup is jazz drummer Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman on Bass, Keith Ritcher on second guitar, Ian Stewart on piano with Mick Jagger as singer an name his band the Rollin' Stones after a Muddy Water song by late 1962 the "G" was added to be known as the Rolling Stones he was the guy who got them gigs made sure they got to the venue on time what songs to play he was like the acting manager of his band in the early days sadly for whatever reason drugs and alcohol or other issue Brian started to lose his statice in the band when he felt he was losing the band he created.
Underrated or Overrated? It simply depends on who's "rating" you are considering.
When it's the few zealots who take every opportunity to harp on about Jones being the founder, the best musician in the group and then go further to such as "he was the soul of the group", that Mick and Keith had no right to take over, and that his ousting in 1969 was a huge injustice, then he's overrated.
But when it's the majority of Stones fans who give him his due as the founder of the group, who in the early days was good on stage and with "style" as a British Invasion rock state, and made remarkable contributions on some tracks (which no-one else could have done), but also fell apart with self-destructive behaviour and became a liability, then he's neither underrated or overrated. That's about right.
Most Stones fans say that the group hit its peak after Jones' departure, and particularly in the Mick Taylor years. Certainly the record sales attest to that. These could be accused of "underrating" Brian Jones - but this just becomes an argument between the classics from the Jones era and the classics from the Taylor era.
Except Brian's contributions were throughout the 60s, not just "the early days." And it was far from just "some tracks." He would take charge in the studio, he helped make them hits. Moreover, Brian championed Blues and World music, which greatly influenced the culture. And he composed an entire movie soundtrack. He certainly pioneered fashion. He was a literal 60s icon. It's the Jones era tracks that continue to define the band for for the general public, because it was by far the most creative. Taylor is great, but there were a lot of great guitarists in the 70s. There’s only one Brian Jones. 😎 And I find Taylor fans to be quite insecure, constantly needing to put Brian, Keith, and Ronnie down.
@@TheaterPupvery smart comment! Thank you!
Brian was definitely the catalyst of this great group, but getting rid of him is, unfortunately, the best move they ever made.
I agree but would say ‘fortunately’.
That’s utter rubbish.
Best move? Not really
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@@J..398Brian was limited as a musician and "blocked" as a writer.Stones in the seventies with Brian would have done nothing
Jones was neither underrated nor overrated. Jones was a musical genius but a mess of a human being.
I don't like pointing fingers of blame but his father was clearly a total arsehole, which may well have contributed greatly to his messed-up psychological state from an early age…
@terencebentley8398 having never read a biography of Brian Jones you may be correct. Sad all the way around actually. Such a great talent and such a mess of a life.
the stones hopped on every bandwagon after the early 70's
Hop on the wagon or get felt behind
@@juanalaniz1400 Or create something new
By the general public he is underrated. He was the leader and public mouthpiece of The Rolling Stones. He is the one who always encouraged creativity and going beyond only doing blues and Chuck Berry covers. Anything memorable on a Stones song before 1968 that wasn’t Mick singing was Brian Jones. However I don’t think he is either over or underrated by people who know this stuff. He’s appreciated exactly as he should be
Brian was underrated as a guitarist. Love his guitar playing on the Rolling Stones '64-'67 ...
Which parts?....I bet Keith played them
Pure and simple. Underrated. What instrument couldn't he play?
Underrated, they were never the same
This is a wonderful documentary of the Stones. Is sad Brian ruined himself with drinking and drugs. His music contributions by the unique sounds he made with different instruments made those early tunes the best. It didn’t matter he couldn’t write. I thought as a young teenager he was always the cutest. Mick just displayed himself as the bad boy type that attracted the girls. I liked them all, but I just thought Brian was the best looking until he self destructed himself. The personality difference between him and Mick just caused havoc. Was a shame he couldn’t hold it together. The drugs of the 1960s were totally ridiculous and out of hand with the rock groups.
I wish I could play any instrument like Brian. I’ve always been very envious of him.
Thank God for rock and Rolling Stones fans Andrew Loog Oldham saw early on that Jagger and Richards had the song writing talent and the discipline to do it! Or no one in the world would ever know The Rolling Stones, they would’ve never been so big and famous if it weren’t for Jagger and Richards. Brian may have pulled them together in the very beginning but from two bands, Dick Taylor’s Little Boy Blue and the Blue boys and Alexis Korner’s Blues incorporated, Brian formed the Stones but by the time they were famous it was Jagger/Richards performances and compositions. Love what Brian did, but even if the claims that he did more contributions than he got credit for, it’s not a whole hell of a lot. Good or great even but still can be counted on one hand and even so it’s the singer’s voice that moves a song more than the marimbas. Imagine Under My Thumb without Mick Jagger, or Paint it Black, The Last time, Ruby Tuesday all songs that had the heavier influential elements of Jones, great that they may be. The real tragedy about Brian Jones is that he had a lot of talent but didn’t really lead the band. Had Brian been more confident in himself and less envious he probably would have made more contributions and possibly made the Stones an even better band, if that’s possible. Destiny or God has it’s ways of making things they way the work out. The Rolling Stones did great with or without Brian Jones but he deserves to be remembered for what he actually did do, not any more or less. Honestly I think Brian Jones is both, underrated and overrated.
Well said!
@@rm5201 Thanks for acknowledging some sense and reason.
Brian's remarks about the feelings of parents towards their children is probably greater than anything he did in music - and he did some great stuff.
I'm not a huge fan of Brian, but I'm a fan of the incredible insightfulness of his remarks on that subject.
I caught that too and that is why I've watched this
He was definitely genius and definitely an addict of everything... He was VERY fragile.
12:50 Linda Lawrence married Donovan and Brian's son Julian Brian is now Donovan's adopted son. Donovan and Linda's granddaughter Coco is the daughter of Shaun Ryder of Happy Mondays.
Brian Jones has :
- founded the Band
- found their name
- been a brillant multi intrumentist who gave strength to many early Rolling stones songs (Paint it black, Under my thumb, Ruby Tuesday, Lady Jane, She's a rainbow, to name a few..)
- He certainly also inspired the famous "Sex Drugs and Rock and roll"
Once this said, Rolling stones have made their unreal successfull career mostly because of Jagger/Richards.
Keith Richards is the Riff master while
Mick Jagger is the best visionnaire frontman in Show business ever.
Charlie Watts also grandly participated to their sound.
Mick and Keith wrote great songs, but Brian put some fairy dust on them. On TSMR album Brian''s influence is huge, he is all over the album. He just had his ego smashed in so many ways, he was too weak to be a leader and too crazy to keep Anita.
For those interested in this sort of thing: Brian Jones was a Pisces.
Pisces are VERY prone to addiction.
Very interesting documentary with great footage when you are a fan of The Stones. Never knew that Brian was a huge Beatles fan.
Thank you...Glad you enjoyed it!
All the great early hits of the Stones you can hear Jones iconic sound in each big hit , and without
that iconic sound that Jones gave to each song, then quite possibly
the song might not have been the hit that they had become. Anyone who thinks that Jones had no baring on the groups early hits ( the ones that made the Stones what they become) , obviously doesn't have much of a clue about the composition of the music itself , and I'm not talking about Jaggers singing .
That's the truth! And is so simple to understand that Brian was the most important, the most talented and the founder of the Stones! Thank you Brian Jones! Respect 🙏
Jones played a role but Mick and Keith's songwriting elevated the Stones above their contemporaries.
Wow I can't help but to think of Syd Barrett and that is a statement.
His picture is on my bass drum . Drummer since age 5
I.prefer The Mick Taylor era..in my not so humble Opinion..it is the best version of the band that existed
Then go to another video.
He needed people that actually cared about him. People that would help him to get into rehab. Not just fire him and forget about him. How sad 😢
I never knew about Brians child. This in and of itself could easily explain his downfall. A scar like that left untended will only fester over time.
The Stones were at their best in the 70's in my opinion. Brian was long gone by then.
His influence was never gone. That's like saying the influence of the Beatles was long gone by the 70s.
The two narcissist liars Richard’s and jagger would have you believe he is overrated but anyone that knows anything about music and listens to his contributions know he is in fact underrated. He also wrote ruby Tuesday too which for some reason mick and Keith never gave him any credit for.
100%. Throw in greedy too. They did the same to Mick Taylor, stealing writing credits , turned that kid into a junkie. Mick & Keith are scum. Rich famous scum but none the less they have no inner soul. They denounce Brian but they stole from him and never even had the balls to go to his funeral.
@@catlover4700 👏👏👏
100%
Keith wrote Ruby Tuesday.
@@rm5201 With Brian together!
A local gangster admitted on his deathbed "It was me who killed Brian." As many such do, he operated a construction industry business as a front for his criminal activities. Brian hired his company to do some construction work at his country estate. Brian eventually realized that he was cheating him kind of outrageously and fired him - when they were alone there one evening. Then began swimming laps in his in-ground swimming pool. The larger/more muscular gangster jumped into the pool, grabbed Brian, and held his head under water until he drowned. When his body was found floating in the pool the next day, the authorities deduced that it was just another case of another dope fiend pop music star who'd managed to die of misadventure while high.
He had fresh water in his lungs,no chlorine. I believe with every fiber Mick and Kieth and the suits know. He owned the name and that would have cost them big time
Über Bryan Jones ist eigentlich alles gesagt.....genug🎼🎵🎶
We still talk about Mozart don’t we?
@@TheaterPup And Eddie "The Eagle"...
Rolling Stones are tedious and creepy after Brian left
His ability to master almost any musical instrument, made him the best musician the Stones ever had.
Brian Jones could never be overrated. Early Stones would have been nothing without him.
They may have sounded different but the geniius of Jagger.Richards would have shone through..with or without Brian
Brian was their George Martin. They very much needed him.@@nihilistlivesmatter
@@nihilistlivesmatter they would have been Hermans Hermits without Brian
Brian being the most talented of the group in my opinon. RIP Brian
Hardly
Well produced video guys. Story editing is great. The announcer's pronunciation sounds good. Re the story: Notice the similarities between Brian and Syd Barrett of Floyd.
Thanks a ton! Glad you enjoyed it!
The core of the Rolling Stones was and still is Jagger and Richard. Brian did some beautiful coloring around the edges of their songs. And that's it ! And because of this he has become a cult following . His biggest mistake was not hanging in there. That's the tragedy! 🎸
In other words, you aren't too familiar with their 60s music.
Interestingly (sadly, in what was to follow later) when the 'Stones' appeared at the Palais in St Kilda, Victoria, February 1965, they were introduced as "Brian Jones and his Rolling Stones'
Jones Stones was perfect for 60s Stones. Taylor was perfect for 69 rocketing into the 70s Stones. Loud lead guitar with Keef's riffs and licks.
Le problème de Brian Jones est qu'il n'écrivait pas de chanson.
Par contre, il avait des idées géniales pour mettre en valeur les morceaux (instruments divers joués
par lui).
Il aurait dû quitter le groupe si il s'y sentait mal et tenter une carrière solo.
Je trouve sa trajectoire très similaire à celle de Syd Barrett.
It drives me mad when people say he couldn't write songs. He was a brilliant musician, isn't that enough. Omg.
"Brian's input can be heard in every song on those RCA recordings. What he didn't touch, he went out and learned. You hear his color in songs like Lady Jane or Paint It, Black. In some cases it was more than a decorative effect. Sometimes Brian would pull the whole record."--Andrew Loog Oldham
Brian was really the First real "Rock Star".........and unfortunately the founding member of the "27 Club " RIP "GODSTAR"
Just listen to Brian's magnificent sitar playing on "Paint It Black". End of sermon.
Spectacular.
"Brian was a brilliant, fluent multi-instrumentalist, he was the one who founded the Rolling Stones and he had the creative vision that helped them to evolve organically from a mop-top blues-pop group into the mystical rock gods they became--something that many people today might not realise."--Mick Fleetwood
I don't think there's any doubt that had Brian been able to make it al the way to the other side of that turbulent period of his life in the summer of 69', he would've lived through a peek in his career similar to that of The Stones, if not eclipsing them, if not at least for awhile. Although he had soured his relationships with most, if not all of his former band members, he still had a lot friends, respect, and admiration among London's rock n' roll elite and he was still under contract. Like so many others have at various points of their careers, he could have dried out a bit, put together a new band under his namesake and remained pure to the blues without fear of the kind of mutiny he experienced with The Stones. The research in this piece was pretty thorough, though oddly failed to mention that Brian had broken both of his wrists in 67', leaving him for a time, unable, and then perhaps uninterested, in playing the guitar, however this could've easily changed by 1970, or of course having been a trained pianist from childhood, he could've just as easily led an outfit has a keyboardist then later on hitting another stride as a synth pop rocker in the 80's. Unfortunately we'll never know, I do hope that one day we'll have a clue as to why British Intelligence has sealed documents surrounding his untimely death.
Suppose he had lived and formed a band with Jack Bruce, Ringo Starr, Peter Green and Billy Preston? Who knows what could have been.
That’s probably because some people think he was actually murdered by the government because of his political beliefs.
He forms a new band as leader and head genius - although someone else has to write the songs and sing?!?!
@@carlsaganlives5112 Stranger things have happened.
Who is being quoted in the narration that claims Jones is the “Man behind the music for Under my thumb, Ruby Tuesday, Paint it Black and Child of the moon?” Jones played instruments that definitely gave some creative distinction to those songs but he’s not “the man behind that music” anymore than Mick Jagger is for solely singing the songs with the exception that Jagger is the man behind all those songs along with Keith. Jagger did admit he had nothing to do with Ruby Tuesday, that was Keith’s song with Brian playing the recorder and it’s possible but never been confirmed that Brian had more to with co-writing that song. Keith was very much responsible for the Elizabethan and darker Spanish moorish sounds in Play with Fire, paint it Black, Ruby Tuesday and Lady Jane which Jagger did write the lyrics long with the melody as he did most melodies. Why doesn’t the video give the source of the claims made by the anonymous narrator? Everyone else is quoted, from Brian’s girlfriends to all the Stones, Paul McCartney etc…
Donovan plays tribute to Brian Jones (Join us on a unique Audio-Video-Musical Journey. We will hear the 12 Classic Blues Songs that BRIAN seriously studied from the age of 15-19 years. On our ‘Set‘ designed as a DELTA BLUES JOOK - JOINT - SHACK, JOOLZ JONES & THE JUKES perform Live.)
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I think Brian Jones is responsible for The Stones overall popularity; without his early unique contributions, the other Stones would just be some guys that played some clubs in the 60s then faded, like so many others.
"We listened to the Stones' first EP, I Wanna Be Your Man, with Brian's remarkable solo. Charlie was sitting on the couch with his back to the window, the lights of Los Angeles below. Keith flopped besides him. 'What happened to Brian?' Charlie asked. 'He did himself in,' Keith said. 'He had to outdo everybody, do more. If everybody was taking a thousand mikes of acid, he'd take two thousand of STP. He did himself in.' Charlie nodded sadly. 'It's a shame,' he said. 'Brian could do that'--nodding toward the record player--'without even trying'."--The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones by Stanley Booth
Wir sollten Bryan endlich in Frieden ruhen lassen....
Danke Wilma! Du hast recht👍
We hope you watch this video until the end...but anyway this is the CONCLUSION of this video / documentary:
The tragic narrative surrounding Jones, his struggles with addiction, and eventual departure from the band undoubtedly contributes to the romanticized perception of his significance. The "what if" factor is significant, but attributing the band's later successes solely to his absence is simply inaccurate
The myth of a marginalized visionary often overlooks the reality of interpersonal dynamics. Jones's erratic behavior and unreliability played a role in his diminishing position within the band. It wasn't just a matter of suppressing artistic expression; it was a necessity for the band to have stability and cohesion to thrive.
Considering both perspectives reveals Brian Jones as a complex figure in rock and roll history. While his early contributions to The Rolling Stones are undeniable, questions arise about the sustainability of his impact due to personal struggles and departure.
Ultimately, whether Brian Jones is deemed underrated or overrated remains a matter of personal interpretation. What remains indisputable is the enduring legacy he forged as a groundbreaking musician and cultural icon. His influence echoes through the music industry, attesting to his profound impact on rock and roll.
Deciding if Brian Jones is underrated or overrated is totally up to our own take. No denying he played a huge part in The Rolling Stones' early success, bringing in cool instruments and shaking up the rock scene. But the personal and professional struggles he faced later on throw some shade on his legacy with the band.
The debate around Brian Jones shows just how tricky it is to figure out a musician's impact, especially in a legendary band like The Rolling Stones. No matter where we stand on the Brian Jones scale, one thing's for sure - he left his mark on the rock and roll journey, giving fans and critics plenty to ponder about his true spot in the musical history books.
Rest In Peace Brian JONES!
@@RockinRollinOne I watched it until the end .Thank you very awesome treu comment! Brian Jones was a very precious musician. He was the one who found and made the Stones.. After so many years he is gone, he stays the most important Stone! It was his BAND!
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Drugs Obviously was his Downfall ' His Ego Deflated Thanks to Richard's The Anita Connection 🤷♂️ His Genius was Unquestionable ' An Instrumental Artistic Genius 👑🙏
Over rated. Primarily because of the hype of him starting the band and what that meant. Andrew leaned on Mick and Keith because they were driven and stable; Brian was inconsistent and unstable. No Mick, no Keith, no Stones. I hate how Brian's disintegration as a person and a musician is played up as some sort of beautiful tragedy, when it's just a guy who couldn't handle fame and loved getting high above all else. Brian was no different than the neighborhood drunk; he was just younger and famous. However. He was a key figure in the rebirth of Blues as a music form to be imitated and built upon. His enthusiasm was a chief mover for popularizing that sound and that movement in Britain. His contributions as a lead player on various instruments is undeniable. He added so much amazing stuff to their records. However, we wouldn't be talking about him if Mick and Keith hadn't written the songs in the first place and that phenomenal rhythm that makes Stones songs move so well wan't underneath whatever Brian was doing. Stu, Nicky, Ry Cooder and others filled the void until Taylor was hired. And many other British groups were inspired independently from the blues, if it hadn't been Brian, it would have been somebody else; he was just the first popular voice of that movement. Also, he was a cancer to that band and an a$$hole, which meant he ended up failing at his primary role. A horrible father and treated women like garbage. He was poor human being. You wouldn't have liked him.
Do you feel self righteous enough yet? What a load of nonsense.
Which part is nonsense genius ?@@TheaterPup
Much like The Doors and Morrison the 60's seemed like a time when no one knew how to help someone who was battling drug addiction, depression or a personality crisis. Jim being a larger than life character the other bandmates were probably afraid of him but in Brians case the group just threw him under the bus and figured let someone else deal with him, even though there was no one who would. as a musician I believe he never got the credit due to him, as a person it seemed much like Morrison, He was fine until he got too far into the bottle to cope. A tragedy for everyone but mostly for the fans who were denied more of his remarkable creativity.
Brian Jones has the charisma . Mick is about as charismatic as a lamp post . And both mick n' keef were insanely jealous of Brian . Fact 😎
You got that right !
I feel bad for Brian because he was such a talented musician but the band relationships and the drugs/booze intake got way out of control. I wish he could've found some help for his problems before his death. Gone before his true creative peak. The story of so many in this business.
He was the George Harrison of the Stone's..
Except that George could actually write songs, and could sing.
He absolutely wasn't....Harrisson was god tier
Both the George Harrison and the George Martin.
only,much more talented,and did not push Hinduism on his fans
@@brendankane3546 Are you trolling? Jones much more talented than Harrisson?
that's hilarious
Oddly enough, both.
Brian is the main reason why I joined The Rolling Stones.
Is that you Ronnie? 🎸
One thing for sure The Stones (whom I love don't get it twisted), play this "street role" in all actuality they were anything but street, they come from privileged backgrounds YOU CAN SEE IT!
CLEARLY…
Brian Jones demise was irrevocably, affected by Jagger and Richards, squeezing him out
I can’t believe the guy stayed around so long to take so much punishment
But then again, I did that in a marriage once for seven years
🤣🤣🤣
Nice bunch of guessing there from you. His bandmates didn’t want him gone. He wanted to be gone and that was a huge obstacle for the band riding the very top of the wave of their fame.
@@artysanmobile no guessing AT ALL
there’s a bunch of documentary footage, literally dozens of clips
both Jagger and Richards commenting candidly over the years.
They most certainly did NOT want him there.
you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about
DO YOUR RESEARCH PROPERLY!!
@@waynefay8210 Waynefay, you must be the smartest douchebag on all of youtube. Congrats!
It's impossible to make an assessment of a man you've never met and never walked a mile in his shoes, but after hearing what the other guys are saying about him, they're making it sound like Brian wasn't necessarily the toughest nail in the box. I know that just from playing local beer joints and frat parties, you have to have a certain level of stamina and a fairly thick skin because it's actually kind of a rough blue collar job. I never reached anywhere near the level those guys did, but Mick was saying that fame didn't sit well in Brian's shoulders. Maybe he just wasn't cut out for the job. Maybe he just collapsed under the pressure. A lot of what was said here sounds like the Syd Barrett story.