Elder Scrolls Lore: ESO in Perspective
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so in 200 years Talos gets the most alliance points and becomes emperor
lol
that's a whole lot of wall repairs
How many tics does it take to take over Tamriel.
he held it for ages mine only lasted a day
He probably take over in night.But seriusly,i don't think those allinses even existed during time Tiber Septim take over,they probably fall aptar after leaders death.
No books on ESO events? What do you think the ruined books are?
Never thought about that
+SweetisSin - hmmmm....
Hahahaha, book of fate, its completely empty.
They did do one book on eso
ulfirs book is from the seco d era. prove me wrong! there is no text!
the aldmeri dominion in ESO is actually not the same aldmeri dominion in the 4th era. the thalmor of the 4th era used the aldmeri dominion of old as inspiration and created a new aldmeri dominion.
***** Either way, fuck'em.
Preda turdz exactly daggerfall convenant rule!!!!!!
Um no the pact rules. We have argonians and morrowind.
Jarl Ballin' Fuck them lizard looking devils you can have them the only good thing you have is morrowind
Skyrim looks depressing as fuck as well ebon-ass pact that's what it should be known as!!
***** Talos comes in and they all die lol lmafo
Its actually explained that the Interregnum is a time period where many books were burned, and specific knowledge of that period is very rare. The Interregnum is supposed to be left up as mystery, simply because of how much stuff there is to do in ESO. Rare specific facts help keep that period customizable for ESO players, and keep away references. The only race that would even have concrete knowledge would be the Altmer because of their age, but when Talos sicked the Numidium on them, its reasonable to assume the oldest died. The Interregnum is supposed to be a very chaotic time, in both literature and lifestyle. Keeping it as a mystery feels like a good idea. The less specific facts known about the game help the game stay fresh and creative for players. The Hero of Tamriel(ESO Player Character) isn't well known, and the little things later centuries would come to know are supposed to be falsehoods, biases, or misinformation for keeping the game true. Very similar to real life actually, ESO's recorded history is convoluted and messy.
Plus I like to make characters in Oblivion and Skyrim that might be descendants of my heroes from ESO.
For example my thief Faelar in ESO would have a descendant of the same name in Skyrim who was not only a great thief but an accomplished assassin. The Faelar from ESO would get married and father children. He also would not join the war due to old age and pass on both guild leader titles to worthy successors dying peacefully in his sleep at 83
My next one will be a khajiit mage descended from my Khajiit healer in ESO who fought in the Three Banners War. She would eventually retire from the war and settle down in Senchal. She too would go peacefully in her sleep at 76 years of age
This
That last point is why I love TES so much. It feels like an actual world with actual people in it, and the way history/lore is presented goes so perfectly with that.
Horshit reasoning
Dragon break = greatest narratory cheat ever conceived
+Alien Infiltrator Todd howard was like "We're gonna fuck up eventually so i made this thing that can save us"
yep
Well... second to the c0da.
Deus ex machima
It's like when they decided to introduce the concept of regeneration to Doctor Who, so they could give an in-universe explanation for the change of actor. And from then onwards it has become a vital plot point.
I can understand why the pre-order thing would anger someone but, as a historian, I can point out one good example of this actually happening: The American Civil War.
When we say "it was brother against brother" we weren't being poetic. People from the North were sympathetic to the South and visa versa. It's how a Georgia man could be fighting in a regiment born in Maryland, and how a New Yorker would fight alongside a troop of Mississippis.
Yes, the pre-order could but a human from the Aldmari Dominion on the throne, but you have to remember the name of this time period: The Interregnum. The time of reigns between reigns. Is it not so hard to believe that, if a human took the throne for the Dominion, that a small faction within the alliance would try to oust him? All they'd have to do was become the dominant power in the Dominion and BOOM, there emperor is on the throne, effectively assassinating the previous emperor....Actually that gives me an idea that we could suggest: If there is a Dark Brotherhood in ESO, high ranking members could be tasked with assassinating the currant emperor by the guilds in the game. That could be fun.
Anyway, I hope that I got my point across. Have a good day.
There is an even more simple way to explain the “man emperors of AD” - they are usurpers. Warlords who mustered enough man to be able to take Imperial City and proclaim themselves emperors without the actual support from AD authorities. Especially that such emperors power would be limited only to Imperial Isle and he or she would get killed quickly by another pretender. As I wrote in my post - those in charge of alliances should take the ruby throne for themselves but that doesn’t fit in to an MMO idea.
*ahem* the Admeri Dominion in ESO is the First Aldmeri Dominion. The Second one was forged later in 2E 830 and dissolved at the end of the Second Era when its last territories were conquered and taken in as parts of the Third Empire of man. The faction you hear about in Skyrim is the THIRD Aldmeri Dominion that was formed in 4E 29. So, no, none of the factions of ESO stood the test of time. Talos took over all of them.
The Altmer like to pretend there's a continuum there, but you're correct, despite being given the same name they are three entirely separate dominions. And the second and third were given that name to evoke the dominance they had in the first, and hope to gain again.
Its just Thalmor propaganda so you would join Aldmeri dominon and worship the ''queen''
@@mynde2160 Heck, they're not even Aldmer
Troodon I agree. There’s no mention of the first 2 Dominions being like the 3rd. I thought much more emphasis was put on the Thalmor, rather than the Dominion. The Thalmor lead for Summerset to change back to Alinor, and essentially led a coup to take over didn’t they?
@@KeytarArgonian yeah, in short the 3rd dominion is in name only and not like the first 2, the first 2 had some legitimacy and clear "morally" ok goal, the first one thought that the race of mens was too young to rule alone, of course they also had their own "Mer are better then men Reeeeee!' people but the majority of the dominion leadership was good, the second was formed because of a bosmer succession war to keep the empire out of Mer territory while the 3rd was founded by the thalmor with its core goal being a reverse ysgramor vs snow elf situation if you know what I mean.
I did not realise Morrowind story happened six years before the Oblivion crisis
+Sanpai P IKR
Elder scroll 1-4 all happened in one generation. It started with Uriel Septim and it end with him and his son dying.
All of the first 4 games took place during a relatively short period of time; it's when Skyrim came out that it suddenly jumped forward 200 years since the previous entry.
Yep and 5 years after the oblivion crisis came the destruction of vvardenfell, it recovered somewhat though.
@@GameparkGames lol , how? was Vivec playing with his peepee and didnt notice shit was hiting the fan?
Tibet septim removed the Forrest not only at his present time of doing so but also in the future and past. He basically zero summed the Forrest
Tiber not tibet sorry. But also in every province there are all races in some place while there are main races for each one all races exist in each province so saying there's a nord that wants to join the aldmeri dominion is like saying you shouldn't be able to join the storm cloaks if your an imperial which Bethesda did so don't give zenimax so much hate for the pre order bonus and also your lore was wrong on your first point for those reasons, HA in your face! But they did mess up on many other parts and stole the main storyline from oblivion but you come up with some pve event that any player around can participate in that is lore friendly, main story related, and doesn't steal some idea from other tes game or any rpg game in fact
Isnt eso in a dragon break with the forest in cyrodil because talons destroyed the forest from history so the only explanation could be a dragon break and who better to cause on then on of the most powerful dragonborn
Was looking for someone to point this out, wasn't let down.
Finely some one pointed this out
Which elder scrolls game was that in?
The Ebonheart pact was formed after the three races fought together against the Snow Demons from Akavir.
I was looking for this comment seems like they didn't know that the dunmer, argonians and nords fought a common enemy
Also argonians from the pact were freed from slavery and got chance to stay in one of the countries with best conditions in all Tamriel. Black Marsh is an hostile place. To not accept freedom and one of the best place where you can stay just because you hate your past, would be pure stupidity. I can say that in this situation the dunmer have more rights to be upset and some are if you played the game. It is a pact made on many compromises, but it was necessary. This is not like it didn't happen something like this even in real history...
The snow demons are called the Kamal.
Snow demons seems like the most unoriginally named race in tes lore ngl...
@@offswitchtv109 they are called the Kamal, wtf?
I pretty sure that if you would ask people during WW2 if they think Germany, USA and Japan could be one day military allies, most of them would laugh.
With the right circumstances any nations can become allies even if they hated each other in the past.
If it's good enough for a real world, it's good enough for a fantasy lore.
Right, except that is nothing like what happens in ESO lore. We're talking CENTURIES of hatred between two races. But it disappears poof! just like that for ESOs contrived Ebonheart Pact faction? There are so many ESO fanboys in these comments who aren't thinking at all, I don't even know how you can enjoy the Elder Scrolls universe when you clearly don't take the lore very seriously. What does it mean for there to be centuries of hatred if it can just be instantly erased for an MMO? By the way you and your 37 fanboy upvotes may also want understand some real history before trying to draw analogies. Japan was an ally of the United States as recently as World War I, and the United States could only be the ally of a Germany that it (along with the UK and France) remade after World War 2, including an occupation the vestiges of which continue to this day.
@@Joseph_G im late af but as an example england and france were enemies for most of their history and germany and france were once part of the same empire so idk what you mean
It's just a kids game yisus
@@Joseph_G what some of you OG fanboys of tes lore dont understand is: alot of players who play eso, plays it because its an mmo. I personally hate single player games, they feel dull and boring. So when eso launched i was hyped. I dont care too much About lore but i take the lore ingame for what it is.. as a hardcore mmo player for 15 years, eso offers great story telling and tons or lore WITHIN THE GAME. which is what i and many other mmo fans care about. So ffs, just shut up and go back and Play your single player game with the "real" lore..
@@sylvesterpedersen171 Imagine wasting 15 years of your life playing video games
as for the province of cyrodill, it was said in a book in skyrim that talos rewrote the jungles for all of time, so they were non-existence.
In the end the factions don't matter anyway, the lore states that they fight non stop until Tiber septim conquers everything and takes control then becomes talos
Yeah. If anything you would think that is was the Pact that won the fight in the end, seeing as most consider him to be a Nord
MiJerk I believe Tiber Septim to be the Breton known as Hjalti early-beard.
He still dawned the mantle of a nord, and most people of Tamriel remember him as a nord. So technically speaking, nords conquered Tamriel, since the truth of his race is lost to time, and that mantle helped greatly in conquering the continent. Hjalti used Wulharths mantle to win over the nords after all.
Tiber Septim is whatever Talos wants him to be, since he achieved chim and can therefor change history at a whim.
Tiber Septim was an Argonian called Conquers-Everything-And-Fucks-With-History, of course
This video really helped me wrap my head around how large and complex the Elder Scrolls timeline is, thank you.
Not to mention the dawn era and such
@@Aaron24371 oh got ive never heard of that what is that
@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial Basically the same as Middle Earth or any fantasy franchise.
@@cheefqueef6494 i see
In defense of Zenimax:
To be perfectly fair, everything ends. Everything. Eventually the Nords will all die and their race be forgotten, the law of Entropy cannot be broken. So ofcourse the faction you pick will one day be forgotten. It docent mean that you are not shaping a large patch of history, there are ~800 years before what we can confirm truly happened, that's a long time for most mortals. In 800 years IRL we went from learning how to build castles and hammering iron into points to defend ourselves, to building vehicals which allowed us to travel to the moon and defending ourselves by sundering atomic bonds. That's a long time, so regardless of future events if for some reason you cant engage with your character and live in the moment you have the comfort of knowing that your deeds will last for a good chunk of time.
In the term's of lore and factions, stranger things have happened. Do we truly know how the world was that far back in time? Rarely do books survive for 800 years, let alone a full century. IRL a monk scrubbed the ink from a volume he found to copy a bible, that volume he destroyed we learned was actually a calculus text book written by Aristotle. One monk reusing one book set us back a thousand years of scientific progress, and serves to illustrate a great point, not just weather, poor storage, violence, and happenstance destroy books, so do people looking to make more books. How do you know that a book you read in game is genuinely as old as it says? Odds are better its a copy not the original or even entirely fake.
Not to say we know nothing about Tamriel pre-Arena, there is a general consisnis between the books which gives us a general idea of the truth of the events. (We can ignore NPCs because very few of them were alive back then and presumably learned history from the books we can read and each other.) But it would be oh so easy for the books to be wildy wrong by accident, or even intentionally.
You said it yourself, the Empire recorded history from the 3rd era onwards. Who's to say they didn't change things to help control their population or boost the public image of their empire? Think on it, the Nords call him Talos, the Imperials call him Tiber Septim. Many an empire has chosen to manipulate recordings of history to make themselves look better IRL, nearly every last government ever dose that as well, the Empire did the same, they had to. We know Talos acceded because we met his Avatar in Morrowind, but who says he really remade the land of Cyrodill landscape and all? Perhaps he only really founded new settlements and repopulated the old ruins.
My point is this: we learn that conventional views on historical events IRL are wrong all the time, why should fictional history be any different? Think of this not as lore being broken, think of this as a chance to live history and see what really happened before intentional manipulation, fate, and time screwed the record of the past. This is a chance to learn the true lore of Tamriel.
can you make a TL;DR version?
TheMenIdo
IRL history ahs been rewritten by empires intentionally as propaganda, information is lost and destroyed over time. The game can still be cannon because it is unlikely that a prefect record of Tamriel's history exists at the end of the 3rd era.
thanks and i agree
About the jungles that was explained too. Talos got jungles off all time-line, he erased it from history. Anyway, all things are pretty good explained, but have to be researched. About history aspect, it also learn us that you can make alliances even with past enemies. But of course, what have to be fantasy and is realistic is considered unrealistic and what have to be history and it have the same level of realism, it is considered realistic. Why? Because the game is made by humans and anyone want to find mistakes, because humans make mistakes. But it is just a cheap hate.
So if ESO is ROUGHLY 2E, 583... Then that means that the Elsweyr expansion should be during the events of the Knahatten Flu..
As a Khajiit player... W E L P I ‘ M F U C K E D
Yeah some khajit mention it
It is, there is a whole quest explaining where the disease came from
That was a cool public dungeon
As for alot of the missing lore, I picture it as what happened in our own timeline. When the Roman Empire collapsed, it threw the whole known world into a hurricane. People lost the ability to build the roman roads and other engineering marvels. The tribes inhabiting Britain forgot the people who invaded and took over. And what do many Empires do in our world when they took over an enemy faction? Destroy the loosing factions history. There were cases where the Roman Senate tried to get rid of all memory of several different leaders due to their blood lust and power plays. I believe I even read a book in game...can't remember which that explained that countless knowledge and legends were lost due to the constant strife of the Second Era. And it would benefit the new Empire in the 3rd era to remove the legends of the Covenant, Pack, and Dominion, as followers of those governments would try to rebuild and rebel. The thing about high elves though...they live...damn long lives...
+GuardsmanKleeves This is actually pretty interesting O.o
by the whole known world you mean the west?there are other cultures in the world as there are in tamreil
High elves also love to twist information and revel in mystery.
This video made a lot more sense when it first came out. Several years later, ESO has easily distinguished itself as within, but not cannon TES lore.
Honestly, a dragon break isn’t going to explain it if you want it to fit into cannon. It’s a whole different thing. The mounts, monsters, weapons, and so on and so forth-all too different from the rest of the games in the series.
Not even an advanced simulation of Tamriel within the Clockwork City (a clockwork city built in a simulated Tamriel-real inception type stuff) could explain away all the inconsistencies with the actual fundamental content of ESO itself.
If there’s going to be anything that wraps it all together, it has to come over time from ZOS. There would just simply have to be an extremely cataclysmic event that displaced the entire ESO reality to even remotely make sense.
Not just a “dragon break”. That’s too lazy to justify it as is.
I'd be less keen to pitch it as memory loss on the part of post-Roman societies. There is just as much of a case for saying said Roman roads for example, were not needed owing to localisation of trade in the post-Roman era.
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BTW I agree with you about ESO, I don't think you were dissing Elder Scrolls, it's just clear that The Elder Scrolls series belongs to Bethesda, not Zenimax.
Bradley Livingston
You mean Zenimax Online. They and Bethesda are both developer studios from the 'big mother' Zenimax.
-> I like the idea of the dragon break, seems to be the best solution.
I love having lore that makes sense so i go with the dragon break and say this ESO happens in another timeline similar to the 'normal' one with similar events.
Well also the faction wars could of had been erased because it was a dark time for tamriel and no one wants to say that the empire was weak during that time
connor shymanik That's actually fairly close to what the current lore says about the Interregnum I believe. It's stated that all history during that time period had been erased, or just not recorded. I could be wrong however, as it's 2 am and I don't feel like running a lore check, but I fairly certain that's what it said.
I just realized most the people who play ESO know nothing about the lore and keep calling the Aldmeri Dominion the "thalmor". Its not the same fucking thing. The thalmor didn't even come to power until the oblivion crisis. Therefor High elves aren't as racist as they are in oblivion and skyrim.
you can call the thalmor a "political party" that rule over the NEW Aldmeri Dominion in the 4th era.
Julius CaesarII I've never seen someone in ESO call the Dominion the Thalmor.
And I hope to god that I never, ever do. If anything will send me into a nerd rage, it would be that.
but i wonder why bethesda made ALL the elves like dicks and jerks!
(except for some like the stable-man in windhelm)
+Julius CaesarII The Altmer in Oblivion werent really that bad as far as I could remember.
It's mainly because most have only played Skyrim.
You've forgotten the "Chim" concept whenever you mentioned Cyrodiil, you said that Cyrodiil was a jungle until Tiber Septim. But whenever he achieved Chim (right before he ascended to godhood), he erased the jungles not only from the land, but from it's existence in history. So, to put long story short, after Tiber Septim's rise to Chim, the jungles never existed, but people could still remember them. If that makes sense.
He mentioned that Tiber Septim "remade Cyrodiil through Chim" at 10:15, but somehow he magically forgot that Chim erased the Jungles from ever existing, weird huh.
Virtrial Yeah.
Yeah, people tend to leave things out when piling on something they don't like.
Cow McBeef
Keep Kirkbride's self-indulgent bullshit out of TES. Just play the games and enjoy the lore that doesn't read like a bad acid trip.
@@RodolphoGames Mandela is the guy that died in prison right?
I think for most people it was a bummer because they expected a Skyrim-style gameplay, not an MMO gameplay. And 12-year olds who think Skyrim is the only game of the TES series worthy of playing.
brace yourself TES VI is coming E3.
ESO is still shit.
everyone knows Oblivion & Morrowind were the best of the series
True true
+Top Hat Towers tis true
A dragonbreak is the only feasible way to explain the plot holes, and it is a LORE friendly way to do so.
now i get the impression that zenimax has about as much of a grasp of the lore of TES as the average casual skyrim player, that's why they didn't instantly go for the dragonbreak route.
i mean why not start with that? the whole " i made you from the remains of numidium,.. the big robot that whenever it was activated caused a dragon break" ohh and by doing so i may have just caused a dragonbreak so prepare to have weirdness happen.
Anyway Bethesda should know and i have full faith they will not sacrifice lore in TES 6
+Attila Kos Everytime in oblivion and skyrim when elder scrolls are mentioned there is talk of the fluidity of the future. Dragon breaks are the official name of events that are powerful enough to disrupt the future set by an elder scroll, though they never mention the name "dragon break" in oblivion or skyrim, instead vaguely describing the nature of a dragon break.
+RadarFinsR yes, i'm aware of what a dragon break is
if i recall correctly during a dragon break, theoretically several different outcomes ( even conflicting ones) become true .. (basically how Bethesda avoided conflicting events and plotholes)
ifi understand correctly one of the "symptoms" of a dragon break is what you described with the elder scrolls, its an event that alters the timeline, the ufture present and the past.. basically a time warp.
+JOENYMOUS my understanding is that dragonbreaks do not result in a "multi-verse" but that they literally make all possible outcomes true within the continuum. Given the fact that Aubris is essentially a dream I think it would be hard to ground a multi-verse theory in the Elder Scrolls world since the dreaming godhead could not be "conscious" of more than one Aubris at the same time, if the godhead has a consciousness that is at least similar to our own. My interpretation may not be well justified though since ES lore is extremely confusing, to me at least.
+JOENYMOUS as Jason stated, no i don't think its a multiverse clash, like say a DC crysis of infinite earths.
Its more related to warping time then anything else.. but yes by my understanding it just makes several different and opposing outcomes possible.
Its the cheat that Bethesda used to explain conflicting lore, and events (say maybe a quest-line that you did differently then what they assumed)
+Justin Tongol no... they don't take place on Earth at all... its a different world. its Nirn.. not just a different planet its a completely different reality. a fantasy world... i don't even know of any fantasy RPG that actually takes place on Earth.
I really like the dragonbreak idea, it would really help straighten out the lore that Zenamax fucked up.
I never knew that the first 4 games were so close to each other
The Aldmeri Dominion in ESO is defunct by the time of Skyrim. It survives only in name, the new Dominion has basically nothing to do with the old one aside from also being elves. It's like saying the Roman empire survived because Mussolini used Roman motifs in his italian regime.
Also, while the dragon break theory is solid, it doesn't really excuse the fact that a lot of the history is just flat out wrong. And then you get stuff like the Lusty Argonian Maid existing centuries before it was ever written because Zenimax paid more attention to their silly running gags than the actual history.
The Aldmeri Dominion in Skyrim is alot more like the Veiled Heritance from ESO.
tou hou Spoilers you arse!!! It hasn't come out for Xbox One yet!!!
jk, but seriously, spoilers.
But those guys are mentioned a few quests into the Aldmeri Dominion questline. i would not say its that much of a spoiler.
It's very easily argued that the Aldmeri Dominion in the 4th Era is still the same Dominion, though different in name & purpose (mainly due to its new leaders).
1. We don't know if Queen Ayrenn is still alive by that point in the 4th Era. For all we know, she's behind-the-scenes (She's also KINMUNE, so of course she'd still be around).
2. One of the very organizations established by the 1st Aldmeri Dominion in TESO eventually takes over in the 4th Era (not to mention the Alinor Royal Family may be descendants of Ayrenn herself).
ifnsman Altmer live for 300-400 years I think so Ayrenn probably isn't alive in 4E.
They should add a massive collapse of the factions into the storyline, where a massive book-burning occured, that basically wiped the truth of the 2nd era from the historybooks. TES6 could cointain a quest line that uncovers some old hidden artifacts from the 2nd era, that links TESO and the other TES games together.
Yeah because you know how tge factions in Cyrodiil have all the different elder scrolls and they are screwing around with them by fighting over them? Well what if all the Elder Scrolls were to cause some time lapse or whatever josh said to take over.
I like the idea that the Imperials never wrote about it in the history books because they wanted to be seen as strong and powerful when they invaded rather than taking advantage of all 3 sides being weak from a huge war, so the war went forgotten in favor of the Imperials being unstoppable.
There doesn't need to be any lore explaining. The reason there are no books about Elder Scrolls Online topics in the other games is because the game was simply made afterwards. Canon-wise, I am sure all the history of the time was well-recorded. If it bothers you, you can mod Skyrim to include a bunch of ESO-era books.
The reason of why ESO is not mentioned in any previous in-game books, is because: Its a piece of shitty war anyway, happened in the middle of an all chaotic dark age, so, decent folks of Tameril simply prefer not to memories its details and simply call that whole period the 'Interrgenum'.
Perfect explanation in my opinion.
What annoys me most about the shoddy work done by Zenimax is that ESO contains books that won't even be written until the 4th age. Really? Septimus Signus wrote his groundbreaking gibberish 700 years before he was born? This is all over the place, not just in the books.
Dragon breaks, I guess
Lazy designers hiding behind story holes.
They were probably just included for the fans, not immersion
wasnt septimus a time traveling mage>?
Instead of going blind studying the Elder Scrolls he went mad.
I've never liked, favorited, and shared a video so fast in my life. I like josh commentating more than the badass voice guy. :)
Dragonbreak makes sense for daggerfall and multiple endings and such. But using it for just "whatever the f*ck they want" would be extremely lazy writing and very disappointing and why am I on a two year old video you ask? uhhhh....... timeline stuff.
IMO "Multiple timelines" are always just a symptom of lazy writing. I cannot think a a single book, movie or game where multiple timelines has added anything worth while to a story. They're just used as an excuse when the writers have written themselves into a corner.
+MiJerk The problem with games like Elder Scrolls is that each game gives you so much freedom that it's rather impossible to create a storyline that is normally considered cohesive and sound. Sure, most of the games in the series will have one ending, but the progress to that ending has way too many choices of activities you can do.
There is no way one person can become the leader of Companions, Mages Guild, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all at the same time, the only dragonborn in the world, owns all daedric artifacts, and so on. Even more silly if you consider that all of the characters from the series does that.
So multiple timelines mechanic is really, IMO, excusable in this regard. Unless they decided to just pick each protagonist a "canon choices", which is something they definitely avoid at all cost until now.
Haend Velarius IMO they should just pick and chose what is and isn't canon when developing the next game. That has been done in everything from Tekken to Dawn of War and that works just fine. You might have to cut a lot of the cool stuff out but as you said yourself having everything be official just isnt plausible
hmmm... zelda anyone?
i would say that a dragon breach is just a miedval style word fro paralelle universe, i think every tes game had make a dragon breach and this is why you can be the race you want and literally be who and do what you want...
I must admit, I did miss your voice, Man-crush Josh.
Aka Bethesda created the best badass way to fix a time line by inserting a dragon break XD
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
*most boring and lazy
The Warp in the West is far better lmao
Hmm I thought ESO was between oblivion and skyrim in the timeline. But with it being in second era, its content doesn't make any sense. There was the lusty argonian maid in ESO, play/book that was written by a plot character we get to meet in Morrowind.
I doubt they give too many fucks about the timeline.
Easter eggs
They retconned that. They story has existed as a tavern tale for a long time, with the maid and master changing race depending on where it was told. The Imperial is the one that wrote the thing into a book.
On top of that, time is very wonky in TES. It's not really a solid straight line. Books and scholarly papers from the future have appeared in the world on several occasions.
Sothas I'm going to have to look back into that. :P
I'm aware of all the different occasions when Time was messed with in each Era...but I previously thought that the *Dawn Era* was the only Era when Time tended to follow a non-linear fashion.
I can definitely see certain events in every Era afterwards screwing with the time-line, but I do believe the Dawn Era was the craziest of them all.
There's also the existence of the "Ruminations on the Elder Scrolls" written by Septimus Signus, who wasn't born until the 4th era. But if it's an Easter Egg as SMK says, then it's existence in the fourth era makes sense.
But aside from that, I'm happy to have most, if not all, of the lorebooks in one place in an easily accessible location, as opposed to having scour hours of gameplay to hunt down a single book.
One thing that hasn't been brought out well, as far as I know, is the fact that ESO takes place smack in the middle of the time of the Knahaten Flu, which started in Black Marsh in 2E 560 and raged across Tamriel until about 2E 600. My Argonian character in ESO offers to give anyone who wants it a case of Knahaten Flu, which, he alleges, will log a player off and delete all his characters. That's a joke.
***** There was a reference to a female Argonian named Lifts-Her-Tail. That could be explained as a standard dirty joke among Argonians.
***** Honestly I think the bit with "The Lusty Argonian Maid" is just a bit of fan service - if it weren't in the game somewhere people would be upset, but putting it in breaks historical reference. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, anyways.
Of course, you could always make various assumptions about it being a long lived, dirty joke or even a spoken play that was only occasionally written down and not professionally transcribed until the Third Era. Either way, it's there for the fans.
emoemofire
The Lusty maid bit has become a TES trope. They retconned it as some tavern story that has been told since time immemorial. Sometimes the maid is Argonian, sometimes it's khajiit. Sometimes its a breton maid and her ayelid master. Sometimes the gender gets swapped (Sultry Argonian Bard in game).
Lightscribe225 Then more people need to understand that in particular. Though my reasoning still stands that it's all for the fans. :P
Whatever happened to the "Fishy Stick" fad? :3
If Zenimax ever decides to end ESO my hope before they do is to have players fighting against the Legions of Tiber Septium and just getting crushed beneath the boot heels of history. Sure it sucks for any long standing player, but hey time doesn't stop.
*****
True but there is nothing stopping the developers from actually advancing the timeline.
Its actually one of my pet peeves about games like ESO and Skyrim that have an actual calendar in use during gameplay and day night cycles, you'll be playing a game for months yet everything happens in game a few days.
Russell Williams What are you talking about? One day in Skyrim is about 70 minutes, so if you play the game for just about an hour every time you play it you have about a one to one ratio of days played in real life to day passed in game. That's also excluding fast traveling and waiting which boost the time past in game significantly.
+Josh James I'm a vampire in Eso I can lived to face Tiber Septium...I'm ready to fight him, i'm going to Meteor his ass.
+Chin Nation Werewolf here. Elder Scrolls wolves live hundreds of years too. Plus your character is a soul less bastard who gets transferred through time at the end of the game already.
+Russell Williams That is my hope too yes.
And i do mean getting crushed.
Not your victories here dont mather stuff we useally get.
Looking through the comments it looks like I might be the only person to like ESO!
Harry LEVI I recently got the game like 2 days ago and I love it. But to be honest I like the other elder scrolls games better.
Its a pretty good game if u r willing to buy guilds and glory
Been playing it since the beta, and to be honest, I mostly play it for the lore in the game. You won't believe it, but it's true. I love this game.
Harry LEVI nope I love it it’s better than god damn skyrim
gogos1073 "god damn skyrim"? How dare you...?
Thanks Josh for reminding me why I was pissed at ZOS!
BTW: It is impossible for the Aldmeri Dominion to win the Alliance War in the end. Or else, the Dominion would be controlling Tamriel in the 3rd era, not the Empire.
Holy crap your right wow they screwwedmthis up
pandaexpresso Sarcasm?
Richard Jordan or troll
***** If they did win, they would have to be overthrown within in the next hundred years or so. I am pretty sure that historians would make note if the Aldmeri Dominion was ruling over Cyrodiil at one point. It would also not matter, because Emperor, Tiber Septim will defeat them in the end.
Richard Jordan No, not really. There seems to be so much war in this world that it if the Dominion did win they could have may be ruled for even like 1 or a few and it would probably just get thrown out of history, especially by whenever the Cyrodiilic empire came back.
ESO has become one of my favorite games, incredible as it never tires. His content is huge, I recommend
The real question is: When're we gonna get a decent ES game that covers all of Tamriel or in Akavir.
Oh you're gonna be waitin' for that one...
It is mentioned in a book in Elder Scrolls 4 that the Akaviri were wiped out by giant serpent monsters, but that could change as it is not in full detail.
Jedidiah T Fite Akaviri as in the Man (Human) that originated from Akavir. They were enslaved and eventually killed to extinction by the Tsiesi. (I think that's how you spell it.) There is still plenty of races on Akavir and I'd love to see the Empire attempt another invasion in another game.
Mistah Gooku
The next ES will be in another Tamriel province.. Probably Valenwood although it is pretty small province. It would be cool if Bethesda would make two neighbouring provinces this time. Like Valenwood and Elsweyr which, together, are roughly the size of Skyrim.
Mistah Gooku or both
10:05 talos's power extends across time. He literally retconned history so that Cyrodil had always been plains
But this was before him right? It could be the origional timeline before he changed the past. I dont know
The war was never left out of the lore.There is a book in Skyrim solely about Manimarco and his betrayal of Cyrodil. It has always been in the game.
The only thing they leave out is the specifics of the factions. All the book says about them is that three kings were fighting for the throne.
Andrew Smith I love how everyone ignores your comment & continues to bitch about lore that doesn't even have the potential to fuck with other future games.
Nehemiah Bonilla Some people would rather bitch about waht they think than pay attention to what others have to say.
Preda turdz You getting the game?
Nehemiah Bonilla Yeah I got the Imperial edition for PS4
Every TES game is Lore Braking in some way. In Arena, Vvanderfell was volcano and lava, completly unhabitable, in Morrowind, Red Mountain magically shrunk
Didn't Zenimax say that they set ESO during the Second Era because there wasn't that much in game lore surrounding the Interregnum? History is lost all the time, just look at our own history there are cultures and people we know of, but know nothing about. Our own history is also littered with people banding together against a common enemy, and you don't even have to go back that far, WW2 anyone?
I haven't played the game yet, but I think not adding this lore to future single player games would be their best bet, there is no logical reason to have history of the second era come out in game 6 when there wasn't much in the first 5 games.
1) Talos erased the jungles from all of histort when he did his Chim thingy, so it would exist in ESO
2) dragon breaks help explain why the dwemer disappeared and the dunmer became a thing
3) The dunmer couldve convinced the argonians to join via either intimidation or by the fact that they freed all argonian slaves for the sake of the pact, which Im sure is logical. the bigger question is why the dunmer allied with the nords.
3) the alliances could have not been mentioned if the aldmeri dominion erased them from histort afterwards or the septim dynasty had the records removed for the sake of not letting history repeat itself.
+Nick infernus your number 1 is wrong when talos did his chim thing he erased the jungles form time form the past present and future so there not sposed to be there since once you reach chim your basically a god almost
exactly, he "removed" the jungle from "time" itself. They have never existed and never will again.
Nick infernus the pact was formed due to the 3 races being threatened by the akaviri, all of which were being raided by them forcing them to join forces in order to survive. The argonians had the term that they wanted freedom. The Dunmer and Nords got along fine other than a few skirmishes. Therefor they joined due to strength in numbers.
The Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700. Indoril Nerevar is responsible for the disappearance of the dwarves. The intial books say Kagrenac hit Lorkhans heart with keening and Sunder. But if you go to the secret library in Vivec in Morrowind a particular edition will reveal the entire truth. Nerevar struck the heart and destroyed the dwemer as instructed by Azura. Close to death he left Voryn Dagoth to guard the heart in his absence. When he returned to Mournhold he told his wife Almalexia, pupil Vivec, and colleague Sotha sil everything. They each gave him gifts that were poisoned and killed him; they covered it up. They journeyed to Red Mountain to become gods only to find Voryn Dagoth who had been driven mad by the heart after using it not knowing how to do so properly. They killed him and bound themselves to the heart and became the Almsivi. Dagoth revived due to the power of the heart and returned in the events of Morrowind in a corrupted godly form (Dagoth Ur).
The whole reason for Cyrodiil not being jungle had a similar theory pop up on Bethesda's forums. It is possible that through CHIM, Talos not only changed Cyrodiil from his point, but throughout all time. Whether he was aware of it or not, the Cyrodiil of the past was changed when he changed it in his present. This change happened only with the land itself, not the history, and thus the authors who wrote of Cyrodiil's endless jungles still exist in their own timeline before the change.
This also lends support to the Dragon Break theory by the way. That Talos was like a focal point that bought the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff to a single point again with his unification.
Ah, bringing a phrase that The Doctor practically made famous to the Elder Scrolls, eh? :3
Excellent. lol
"...It's more like a big ball of Wibbly-Wobbly, Timey-Wimey...Stuff."
Perfectly explains every mess that has ever occurred on Nirn as a result of breaking Time & changing a few things around. :3
(EDIT): Wait, that's it! :D
The Doctor should appear as a guest-character in the next TES!!!
i never though lore story-telling can be so relaxing and fun.
*thought
+Nobody Important I wish they still did it......
I don't think that the any race any aliance thing breaks lore too much. Why would they have sent out those call to arms bulletins if the races were all going to automatically be set on a certain alliance? Polls show that only about 15% of people are choosing races outside their alliance, and wouldn't it make sense that about that many people might agree with a different ruler than the one that happens to be their ethnicity? In skyrim you could be an Imperial Stormcloak, so why is it so hard to believe there might be a few argonians folloowing king emeric, or a few orcs following the queen? I think it would be MORE lore-breaking if EVERY kajiit in all of tamriel decided to follow queen ayren, considering how much they move around, there could be kajiit that were born and raised in Morrowind.
I think it makes sense for all races to be a part of all alliances, with some races being a minority of coarse. The whole crowning of the player really doesn't make sense though. You would expect crowning of the leaders of each faction or at the very least a restriction in race of the emperor based on the faction. It wouldn't make for fun game play but that's what you would expect lore wise.
***** Well the crowning of the player thing made no sense even with faction locks lol. But like Josh said that's an example where a cool mechanic excuses going a bit off of lore. I kind of wish they had done cyrodiil correctly though. With the amount of traveling you have to do in there, it would have been much more fun to be running through thick jungles instead of empty plains.
Originally i finished the main story of skyrim in 4E 203...yes
Joseph Ryan Yeah I don't know why he said it was all done within a year.
Gabe Fried Chicken I guess me waiting in the river wood traitor for days on end trying to sell hundreds of thousands of dollars of loot or waiting for days underneath the sky forge to get a secret chest S for months of hours all took place in one year
Gabe Fried Chicken Its not that time went fast, I just f*cked around for 2 in-game years even finishing the civil war, dawnguard, companions, and dark brotherhood questlines
The in-game timeline starts to glitch out after 207 xD
So, can you end Skyrim in 4E 500?
Even through there are almost endless possibilites (era, year and location) for the Elder Scrolls 6, I still would love to see next one being set somewhere in Akavir.
probably not going to happen. Though I would like to see a DLC or something there.
i would like an elsywere game
I want TES VI to be set in the sumerset isles during the second great war
"endless possibilites (era, year and location)" You forgot the numidium AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Just came across a quest on dominion side where there are argonian refugees in ghratwood who have defected because they were slaves forced to fight by the dark elves, so it's not a forgotten thing they are sticking to lore with regards to packs. Who said the argonians joined willingly :p
Yeah they mention the unsteady reasons for some of the alliances on their site and in the game. For example, Betnikh's orcs are against joining the covenant based on what happened to orsinium but most orcs join because they were promised a new orsinium.
"until next time, I've been Josh"
so you are not Josh right now?
lol thank you for that laugh
Josh has since Mantled a certain other god.
He is Josh, or not Josh, or even both at times. :3
ESO has been my first ever Elder Scrolls game and I've been diving headfirst into the lore ever since. I'll just say that I'm glad I hopped in on the game that is also the earliest on the timeline.
I still refuse to include ESO into Elder Scroll Lore. It is just Zenimax trying to cash in on a WOW clone.
The similarities between TESO and WOW are very superficial. Reminds me of people who claim that every FPS game is a COD clone.
SwingDancer61 I have played around 5-6 hours on the Beta for ESO. It felt just like a WOW game. Just with Elderscrolls makeup. But hey thats my opinion.
Their only real similarity is that they share a genre. Comparing WoW and ESO is like saying Skyrim and GTA 5 are the same game because they're both set in an open world.
ASCG5000 So you're saying you dislike MMO's in general, regardless of the lore or setting.
Like I said, its my opinion. To me, ESO felt just like WOW, just with the Elder Scrolls makeup ontop.
If anything, TESO just exists to fill in the gaps left in the Second Era.
Gaps which were previously given an admittedly-weak explanation for in the Pocket Guide to the Empire.
*"Days & Nights of Blood & Venom"* ...that's it. :P
The Aldmeri Dominion is the only one of the 3 Alliances here that *doesn't* fall into obscurity! :D (Therefore making them the real victors of the Interregnum...though Talos does come in later to ultimately conquer Tamriel)
If your going to place a game in a already complex timeline where else would you place it but at a moment of time such as that?
Josh, you outdid yourself here, very very good. I missed this! Can you fill-in more often? :))
As a long time Elder Scrolls player I have to say that the hate against ESO is unfounded. Bethesda has always winged their lore. there are huge plot holes all over the series. It's why none of them are technically sequels or prequels. For instance a lot of the stuff in Skyrim went against stuff in Morrowind when it came to the dwarves/dwemer.
There's nothing anything like as big or as contrived as ESO. You can see it in the lore summary videos here on TH-cam and in lore summaries on Wikis. Winging the lore a bit is not the same as three huge factions appearing out of nowhere for little real reason but also having little impact on the rest of the lore. Changing some things about the Dwemer is nothing compared to the millennia old hatred between Argonians and Dunmer suddenly being postponed for no real reason.
Joe G The power of hatred is strong. Together the Nords, Dunmer and Argonians found others to hate more
@@Joseph_G jumping on a VERY old thread, but I think as the lore stands now, the factions kinda do make sense. EP is formed out of the races that want their indpendence, sort of an anti-DC anti-AD alliance. After the war I don't think they expect to be friendly with each other, but they know on their own, they stand little chance against the other two factions.
DC is composed of races who would've preferred the Empire, or who at least would prefer a similar arrangement NOT headed by the Aldmeri Dominion. The Redguards and Bretons certainly have their reasons for hating the Dominion, and the Orcs as a race with little political power are more or less forced to ally with the others given their geographic position.
The Dominion is kept together out of pure Altmer supremacy. The Bosmer and Khajit know the Altmer are stronger than them, and therefore have little choice but to follow along. That's pretty much it.
Nice work Josh, that was great.
i also read somewhere the Lusty argonian maid was in Eso even if it wasn't made until Morrowind.
Dude.... dont complain about something as small as that.... putting the book in there was just for laughs, heck players ASKED Zenimax to put it in there
I heard that book was written in that the 2nd era and later someone else "stole" that book and re-released with his name as the author. The true author of the book is unknown.
I hope Bethesda disowns ESO, not because it's a bad game (which it's not) but because it has nothing to do with the other games, it would be useless putting books in elder scrolls 6 when 1-5 still don't have them. I want elder scrolls 6 to pretend that ESO never happened and just keep the trail going as it has since arenas
The Elder Scrolls VI is most likely going to ignore what happened in TES I & II, and possibly III & IV as well. Honestly? TES I-thru-IV's events were only important for V.
Since Oblivion, the events of TES I & II have been pretty much ignored anyway (with the exception of a couple of Lore books).
It all depends on what year that Bethesda will decide to set TES VI in. :P
Just because of the possibility of TESO's events being ignored in TES VI, it doesn't at all mean that TESO never happened. -_-
TESO is just about as canon to the TES series as the rest of them are (and I've known *many* so-called "TES fans" in the past to disown the events of both *Redguard* & *TESIV: Oblivion* as "non-canon", however stupid that really is).
As TESO's events occur before Talos' rise to power, it makes sense that many living individuals in later games would not remember such an event (the "Interregnum", as it's called). They either simply weren't alive then, or they just know of Talos ultimately quelling the chaos.
ifnsman how can you disown the events of Oblivion. That is possibly the most lore significant of the bunch. It ends with the beginning of the 4th era and the end of the septim dynasty we loved so much. without the oblivion crisis and the emperors assassinations we would not have the civil war in skyrim.
vespaman101 That is honestly my question, too.
How can you disown the events of TESIV: Oblivion as "non-canon"?
That is what plenty of folks on the old Planet Elder Scrolls forum, a few on Tamriel Foundry, and *even* a couple of people on the Imperial Library have evidently decided on.
Some are just so butt-hurt over one large inaccuracy/inconsistency...that they deny the entire existence of one of the games in the main-series.
(Edit): Kinda the same with just how butt-hurt people are over TESO (though I would respect the opinions of others).
ifnsman i mean shit will be added in but i feel oblivion gave you the fantasy and adventure feeling that no game in the series was able to give. It was bright and exciting with flashy magic spells. It was a very traditional fantasy feel. Can't knock that game off man. Morrowind had the mysterious and unknown feel while skyrim has the feeling of scale and subtle beauty. I say oblivion made me want to adventure like no other though. BTW if they want to disown a game based on lore disown skyrim. Do you have any idea how shitty the lore behind alduin is in that game? I mean seriously they should have just used Tosh Raka the emperor of the akavir ka'po tun. He allegedly turned himself into a dragon. And akavir is the home of dragons. He said himself he would take over tamriel. It woul perfectly explain why dragons are back without any time travel shenanigans. And also without adding some only the dragon born can kill dragons bullshit. and elswyr left the empire and they believe in a cat dragon god similar to akatosh. Ka' po tun are tiger people... do you see where this has the potential to go?
vespaman101 In total respect of your personal opinion, I'd say TESIII: Morrowind gave the same feeling to me that TESIV: Oblivion gave to you.
The feeling of fantasy & adventure, & the "alien" mysterious feeling of the land of Morrowind itself (not to mention the various Magic spells) all rolled into one was TESIII to me.
Of course, it partly has to do with the fact that TESIII: Morrowind was the first TES game I've ever played back when it was released in 2002 (My brother even owned an "Alpha" version of the game since back in 1999).
There's actually some great explanations for most of Skyrim's Lore, but admittedly not all.
I'll back off from explaining all of it since Skyrim isn't necessarily my favorite TES game.
Both Morrowind & Oblivion are awesome in their own ways...and especially Morrowind for its nostalgic value.
I am *seriously* hoping TES VI is a whole lot better than all past TES games, and includes features from past games that honestly *shouldn't* have been left out of Skyrim.
they explained how you function if you choose a different faction than your race says. it means that you are in the role of kind of a mercenary that turned his/her back on his old faction. What is so odd about that? What Kings and Leaders politicaly want does not count nessecarily for every individual person living in that faction.
Let's look at ESO comparatively with real history... If you're familiar with the Dark Ages you would know that it was a period of little historical documentation as to what happened during this era. Like ESO, it also occured after the downfall of an empire, known as the Roman Empire. This period can only be speculated on. I would bet that most historians would perpetuate that this era was was a time of turmoil in Europe as well as a power struggle between all of the nations. This could explain why none of the Elder Scrolls games have any historical records on this time period. Also right after the Dark Ages was a period called the Renaissance which could be comparative with the rise of Talos in the Second Era.
You described the second era as a dark ages of the elder scrolls world. Well judging from our own dark ages, is it not possible that history was not widely written with texts destroyed over the proceeding period or that history was simply not able to be recorded due to widening illiteracy of the second era? Just some thoughts to ponder on based by our own real history.
agree, better than an Dragon Break...
Yay. Josh narrating again. As it should be.
yeah. im not too fond of the british dude
samus1225
I love the british dude, I think he makes for a great narrator for a lore series, now if it were the ESO Loremaster, whatever the hell his name was, THEN it'd be perfect.
Tesel Bonne Too robotic. Then it would be, because the "british dude" is a voice bot, not a real narrator.
samus1225 well his voice kinda reminds me of a Dunmer so I like him since i always go Dunmer.
yeah I can picture the voice as a dunmer scholar
So, I just started playing ESO and seeing the Prophet talking about what it takes and means to become Emperor the Amulet of Kings the need of Dragonborne etc. I love how there is a REASON for the Emperor and the Empire.Elder Scrolls despite some of the plot holes has to be one of my favorite universes in gaming because even the Emperor is crown due to a purpose or reason
All hail the Ebonheart pact
Long live the Covenant
Amadeus von Beethoven go poop on your faces you fascists
***** all hail j'zargo
Matthew D'Angelo dude the thalmor are tamriels version of nazi germany
Matthew D'Angelo ya an they kill anybody who worship talos just like the nazis killing anyone who is a jew
Tiber is not Talos, Tiber is part of Talos. You keep dismissing the two underkings.
Ahh, so much nicer listening to someone who isn't monotone
8:27 "If you're a fanboy, tune out now."
Guess I'm good then.....
I think the alliances make sense, because they have to join together in dark times, even though they hate eachother. The imperial thing is wrong though.
The English and the French were fighting for centuries and now they are close allies. The Germans have been at war with almost the entire western world twice and everyone seems to be on pretty good terms. Why is it so hard to believe that the other races can't work together in dire times if we make peace in the real world without a common enemy.
Justin Hunt I feel. Except they all went right back to fighting after the alliance war.
Justin Hunt Well, actually it's not everyone ok nowadays in Europe. I don't think there's going to be a war XD, but things are pretty tense. Anyway, yeah, it's a nice example and you have a point there :)
Well, the aldmeri Dominion faction is the most lore-friendly
agreed, except for the fact that the Khajiit and Bosmer have been killing each other for a LONG time before the events of ESO. The Daggerfall Covenant can make sense if you think about it, the Bretons and Redguards pretty much "promised" to give the Orcs their city of Orsinium if they win the faction wars (though they are just lieing to get them to fight for them). Ebonheart Pact on the other hand...no sense at all
David Hiser yeah i think this has something to do with the moon or some shit disappearing and the khajiit needed it. The altmer apparently got it back for them so the khajiit owe them. And the Bosmer are elves too so i guess they must get along for now.
vespaman101 ACTUALLY; twas a "conspiracy" the elves "hid" the moon to force them to join the Dominion. ;)
and the bosmer had some good reason to join aswell.
Source: spent asmuch time ingame on the beta researching lore as i could.
Domyras i mean i figure the high elves did it
vespaman101 Actually that happened sometime between Oblivion and Skyrim. Not during ESO.
I would have liked to see all the Elves in one pact (Altmer, Dunmer and Bosmer), the races of men in another (Breton, Nord, and Redguard) and the beast races in another (Orsimer, Khajiiti, and Argonian) .. Before anyone gets a stick up their asses, I'd like to point out that Imperial never should have been a race. Imperial was like saying "I'm an American." in our world. It's a nationality. Not a race.
Dumner with the Altmer makes even less sense since Altmer see Daedra worship as heretical and the Tribunal as horrifying. They'd have a harder time allying with them than the Argonians.
And the Nords have had border conflicts with the Redguards since they settles on Tamriel, and they didn't have the benefit of an Akaviri invasion to force them to fight side by side.
Finally the Imperials are indeed a separate race. Nords are Nedic people that stayed in Skyrim and adapted to the cold. Bretons are nedes that interbred with elves to get better at magic. Imperials are nedes who settled in Cyrodiil and have adapted to the warmer, wetter climate. Also living under Ayelid slavery created a culture that separated them from Nords even more. If you want to nitpick, then replace "Imperial" with "Cyrods" since "Nibenese" and "Colovian" mean diddly right now.
Lightscribe225
The Altmer didn't ally with Dunmer. They allied with Bosmer (don't know why) and the Khajiit (because their sacred two moons had disappeared, and then they reappeared and the altmer told the Khajiit they had made them come back with magic. Therefore, the Khajiit sort of worship the Aldmeri Dominion)
XtraUnicorn
I know, I'm referring to why OP's idea for alliances make less sense.
Also, that's the third dominion. This one was formed because the Altmer helped the Khajiit recover from the devastating Knahten flu, and the Bosmer because they needed aid following the chaos of the Interregnum.
Wow... altmer were more helpful than I thought
XtraUnicorn
It was back before the dickheads took control of their nation.
The Ebonheart packed failed because of ago old scares between all three races, the Daggerfall Covenant failed because the races suffer internal war between territories and the only reason the Aldmari Dominion has survived is because the races of wood elf and khajiit depend on the high elf's.
ESO has made NEW LORE as its the more recent game what it says is what we're going by now, dislike it or not it's canon now.
They'll add books talking about the alliances, and they'll never say who won because face it... there's three alliances all with a Vestige each so they'll Dragonbreak who has them and why there's three.
They'll try their best to explain any inaccuracies but i assure you all now if TES6 changes a bunch of lore everyone will be okay with it. ESO is pretty unfairly hated.
Well where has Bethesda said it isn't? Until we get any kind of confirmation it isn't then it IS canon. Besides, much of the lore that exists in the world is interpretive as there are so many versions of the same stories.
Yay Bethesda fucked it up again what a surprise
No. Not even worth to use dragon break for it, just ignore it and all content regarding it.
Online is MMO, we play RPG, WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LIKE MMO?!
Its like GTA becoming a strategy game, its kick in the balls and believe me, if they want people to play TES6 better ignore that cancer.Oblivion is my favorite game and they keep making thigs worse and worse after that, fucking dissapointment.
Noah S TES is game for RPG players, switching genre is just screw you punch to fans of the series.We like TES because its TES, a good SP game with awesome features and mods to boot.MMO engines suck for us, guilds suck for us, deadric artifacts that expire suck for us, loots of 1 gold each suck for us, supscriptions sucks for us, need for a credit catd sucks for us, cant we just get game and play it by ourselves and enjoy TES for what is is, insead of making WC3->WoW change, personallt I totaly disliked that change too and because of it all MMO games disgust me grately, they are purely made to suck money.Once their money sucking plot failed tehy made it non subscription but damage was already done.I am glad I never played that, it just leaves you with hole in pocket and hole in hart.TES games should be made for TES players, not WoW players.If they dont reward out loyalty we might as well give up on the series as whole.TES is nothing short of a faliure and bethesda...no...zenimax, needs to learn from that.This Online game is just TES version of WoW and using timebreak would put us into multiverse scenario (same like WoW), better just ignore it, believe me, hardcore fans want to forget it.
Noah S Most of the community shares my opinion.I am not elitist, I am tired of Bethesda trying to appeal for new playes and stabbing the old ones in the back. I want to be unkillable and second to no one, I want to create spells, not learn them.I dont need some non existing factions of which 66% doesnt make sense at all because they are more at war with eachother then with other factions and some non existing leaders that never existed.I want to collect all deadric items and HAVE them forever with me, I dont want to do same fucking quest over and over again every day and farm suff thats worse that what I already have and stuff that I will never use.I want to go in dungeon alone and go on a rampage.I want to have warrior that doesnt use spells, like mmo warriors, same goes for agility characters, abilities, whatever, balance and other BS.80% of us never asked for MMO and you have tons of mods for co-op that make skyrim better then this piece of crap called Online.
I think EOS is a cash cow. Something with this many problems is relying more on mindless fanboyism than actual quality work to support itself. They know enough people will buy an Elder Scrolls anyway, but now they're tapping into the whole MMORPG genre fanbase too. Pure moneygrubbing at it's finest.
Bethesda's parent company is diversifying which is a sound business practice. If online games turn out to be the wave of the future, Zenimax doesn't want to just be relying on single player games. If you don't like it, then ignore it.
SwingDancer61 Only problem is it will postpone & even further widen the gap between releases of normal TES. I know its two different studios but they're not gonna release material at the same time for obvious reasons. It's bad enough already we gotta wait like 4-5 years for each release as it is. Can you believe Oblivion will be 9 years old this year?
***** Bethesda's going to release Fallout 4 before TES VI, so I don't believe that TESO will delay TES VI in anyway what so ever. I do hope that Bethesda will hire enough people to allow them to release games every two years like they did from Morrowind to Fallout 3.
SwingDancer61 I wish they would stop raping the Fallout franchise... ever since they turned it into "The Elder Scrolls 40,000", it just lost everything that made the old Fallouts so great.
***** The old Fallouts were great to a small vocal group. A lot of people loved Fallout 3. If you really love the old Fallouts, you might want to try Wasteland 2, which was recently made by some of the same people who made the original Fallouts.
I'm a huge ES fan, been addicted since I was around 12-14yrs old playing Morrowind, my first ES. First time I connected a punch to that bastard Fargoth, after 15 swings.. I got ESO, bought my PS+ just for that game; played it twice then traded it a week later
Fox Die it became much better now
I figured it would eventually but at the time I played it didn't really seem worth keeping my PS+ just to properly play it. My first time playing an MMORPG so I wasn't too comfortable with the completely different aspects of it. If I gave it time or waited 'till it was better I'd probably be addicted to it lol
there would not be jungle, because it was wiped out in the past as well as then present. because he's a freaking gawd.
So when did Jesus build the pyramids? I'm confused.
Quite interesting I never actually played before Morrowind so seeing a big timeline like that was quite interesting. Glad to hear you doing it again Josh. I definitely like the episodes more when your doing the presenting!
To be honest, it's kinda crappy that everyone can play everything on the alliances part, but i'm okay with imperials being able to join what ever faction they want,
since u "wash up on shore" and u have to prove yourself by doing herioc deeds to prove you're worthy to that alliance.
You know, Lore states that Imperial isn't a race...
DirtyNerd86 ?:O Tell me!
I know this is an old video and i hope you played the game before making the assumption that the alliances didn't make sense.
Pact was formed after the three races fight the snow demons from akaviri, they formed out of necessity and if u play the game there's still many hatred between argonians and the dunmer.
The Covenant got formed after the political marriage between high king emeric and redguard princess as all alliances typically forged, then they helped the orsimer take back orsinium so there's that.
1st Aldmeri Dominion under Queen Ayrenn is probably the most reasonable alliance lore-wise, the queen helped king camoran against colovian invaders and helped the khajiit when a plague spreads in elseweyr, the three races then agreed to formed just like the third dominion you see in Skyrim's 4th era. Even back on the 1st you can already see the seeds of the supremacist high elf from veiled heritance, the thalmor party and many sources, even the queen is having a hard time to rule her own land.
tldr: all of the alliances is formed out of necessity and got a good background story if you ask me
and yes, calling "any race, any alliance" lore-breaking is like saying only nord can join the stormcloak since having an argonian or khajiit in stormcloak didn't make sense because they're not even allowed to go through the city gates right?
Meldaza Scarlett You are right, those alliances were forged out of need, more specifically the need of devs to build up an acceptable PvP (as in every MMO), and they needed to make up an acceptable background for each and everyone of the factions, picking bits of the lore made official through all previous ES games and kinda forgetting about other pieces of lore. The Dominion is definitely the most acceptable of all factions. The Pact is the mid term, not a terrible background to it, but still an unlikely alliance to be held for long after the Akaviri Invasion, because all the races in it hate each and every one of the others. The one that's definitely not well defended is the Covenant. Redguards and Bretons can kind of stand each other, but they both hate the Orcs. They've both sacked Orsinium several times before and after the Covenant. The background for this faction also feels like the most forced. Years of hatred towards the Orcs, and suddenly some Breton king asks for help to an Orc chieftain to defend him and his land, instead of asking the Redguards, who hate the Orcs as much as Bretons do and get on slightly better with them.
About the "Any race, any alliance" and the Stormcloaks, you are also right, it should be really hard, if not almost impossible, for Argonians/Khajiit to join the Stormcloaks as much as it should be impossible for a Nord or any of the races of Men to join the Dominion. However, as it is said in the video, lore is supposed to help the game experience, not the opposite. Only thing Bethesda and Zenimax did wrong was to forget about some key lore factors and think "Well, it'll be ok if we mess this up a bit."
Btw, this channel has a new owner and it's probably not doing lore ever again
@@sorchatheraven for the pact you're absolutely right. even in game you'll find many npc said the alliance will not last.
as for the "any race any alliance" now that i think about it, its actually doesn't sound impossible tbh, since to each person their own. i mean a certain race can go to any faction say, like nord into dominion for his own agenda when promised with wealth, land etc. it's not like the 1st dominion want to wiped the races of men. if we apply real life rules i think it make sense
Zenimax "broke" the lore with the factions, and then "broke" their own "broken" lore with any race in any alliance.
I once started a war with 7 words...
I prefer Skyrim over Morrowind any day.
Try harder next time bud.
Oblivion fans are move aggresive
Very true, Obviously its contested. Number 4 is the perfect middle ground.
Lore theory; The Aldmeri Dominion won. They destroyed all evidence of the faction wars and used underhanded treachery to destroy the other factions because Elves are generally massive pricks. Time spent rebuilding after the wars conveniently lined up with the rise of Tiber Septim. Could be just as feasable as the dragonbreak and the real lore buffs can probably make it work better than me.
I would like to hear about you talking about the factions and what's wrong with them. Now that the game is out I'd love to hear your thoughts on the lore and your nitpicks and pet peeves about it, honestly.
um molag-bals invasion is the reason for the entire whole temple of the one fires lit by saint alessia you know the ones that the whole plot of oblivion hinges on
Why are there just 4 era's?
I've played only Skyrim so pls if someone knows,reply
O. M. I believe it’s because the beginning of the first era was when the dragons did not enslave humans and then they started recording history
I live in the timeline of the single player TES games so ESO doesn't exist to me.
You can actually solo it easy and it isn't a bad game. But I see what ur saying
It does to me I love this ga,e
Space Munkey Such *wasted* potential. I just spit.
***** But the fact that they don't is canon? Did you watch the video?
***** It's only canon for people who didn't run the other direction as soon as this turd was crapped out.
I feel like Zenimax invented the Dragon Break as their get out of jail free card.
"Oh does that break lore? DRAGON BREAK THEN!"
In TES VI I could see them not even acknowledging ESO's lore.
Also are Skyrim and Arena the only TES games were a Dragon Break doesn't happen? I never played Morrowind but I know it has something to do with Numidium.
Dragon Break might be viable though, because dragons are children of akatosh, but I can't understand why they didn't cause one when they got massacred by the Blades. Perhaps they did, giving birth to another timeline in which Alduin has already started a new kalpa, who knows?
KnightCaster No, the only official game there has been a Dragon Break in was Daggerfall, and the main reason it was invented was so players could have different endings in subsequent playthroughs of the game.
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That's what I thought. And, also, Oblivion doesn't have one.
Where is it in oblivion?
Dragon break would also explain different sloots in our Skyrims
I think the only faction that really is hard to take in is the Ebonheart Pact and only because of the Argonians and Dunmer. However I think Zenimax has done a GREAT job at describing the inner turmoil within each faction. It isn't all buddy buddy such as the Veiled Inheritance in the AD zones. Not to mention it's not like it's an alien concept for two people who hate each other or have major differences or even to have fought in the past to band together in a time of need. They also did well in explaining why certain individuals within certain races would leave the new faction in exchange for another one SPOILERS: An exiled Argonian tribe living in Grahtwood.
It does actually sound like you're just nerdraging because there are so many ways to justify a lot of these things as an individual character.
And they would NOT do a dragon break. I think the alliances were lost to history because of the interregnum, kind of like how the real world's dark ages are obscure because no one at the time wrote about it.
Except for the Aldmeri Dominion. They survive beyond the 2nd Era's Interregnum. :3 Yay!
Of course, the other explanation for why the Interregnum would be lost to history is because Tiber Septim successfully conquered all of Tamriel 300 years later before ushering it into the 3rd Era.
^ Chances are that people will only remember Septim's conquest.
True. Either way I think ESO can fit into TES lore quite nicely.
So Sugoi I wholeheartedly agree. :D
Not like I didn't comment that already.
lol I didn't even see your post...Glad there are like-minded individuals in a place with so many stupid people (youtube comments section)
You can just make up your own story. Thats what RPG is all about lol. I'm a wood elf in ebonpact and my character story is that I love argonians and want to help them =]
+Kyle Rupik good for you:) now get a fucking life u nerdy little fuck
No
You know, I can tell you why Cyrodiil is very much the Oblivion Crisis Cyrodiil.
I just went to Vvardenfell for the first time in ESO. It has been literally decades since I played Morrowind. I still recognized it, and that blasted mud path to Vivec City.
I bought the house there and have actually started furnishing it. Not much yet, but it will get there.
During the first lore episodes when you guys were introducing the races, didn't you talk about another war against the forces of Oblivion ? I think it was an invasion from Coldharbour, but I could have sworn your lore episodes mentioned alliances forming during that time ? In fact I remember at the very least the name of "Ebonheart Pact".
Is the problem the fact that those events you guys talked about happened during the 3rd era, and TESO has the alliances forming during the 2nd era ?
That was the events of ESO. They have been playing ESO for over a year and already knew about the basic lore behind the game.
Played Argonian in the previous games, playing Argonian in ESO.
Dragon Break theory suck its just a cheap cop out. Plus Bethesda hasn't said anything relating to it since Daggerfall. I just want one strict timeline, I hate the whole parallel universe b.s.
Interestingly, it's not...really parallel universes. It's three timelines in one space. Imagine a a bar bent at a point and split into three curves. Same universe, several outcomes leading to one point.
But you're dead right, it'd be an absolute cop out. That's what I'm afraid of, writers just going 'lol dragon break it's fine' for future games.
Legend of Zelda split into 2 timelines with Ocarina of Time.
Technically 3 because one of the endings of Ocarina of Time is Link missing in action. That one can be dropped because it ends with Ganon destroying the universe basically.
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3 timelines,actually and rumored 4th.
neverable2
Okay...but that has nothing to do with how the Elder Scrolls universe works.
binarynightmare The machinations and power of the Triforce work similarly to that of the Elder Scrolls. Universally acknowledged but poorly understood by all but a precious few.
The point here being both universes have an element that allows the companies behind them some leeway in making and breaking canon in a somewhat legitimate way.
On a more practical theory the situation of ESO in my opinion is closer to what Knights of the Old Republic did for Star Wars. Future releases will be need to harmonize elements as the universe as a whole matures. The Elder Scrolls in general has been careful with retcons but you can only do so much within the confines of absolutely everything that already existed.
So are we all gonna ignore the fact that our characters from Arena to Oblivion were alive at the same time.
Potentially longer depending on race. Only one we can assume for sure died is the champion of cyrodil and even then he/she became sheogorath
A dragonbreak is as good an excuse as any, I suppose. Very lazy, very easy to use. So, Bethesda will probably try and go for a much better explaination. Maybe the Dominion wins, and erases the records of the Pact and Covenant, and then after Talos takes over, they forget their omissions and believe their own propaganda.
Good idea
i think that is what happend beacus the dominion wants to erase men from the world so if you errase there alliance history they are no treat to form a alliance again to rise against the dominion ( what i think wil follow in elder scrolls 6 the uprise of the stormcloaks to defeat the dominion or if you chose join the dominion and defeat the stormcloaks ? maybe )
SuperSaiyanMaze but would't that mean that the Dominion would be in charge of the Imperial City? it might be a long shot but still, I don't remember Tiber Septim chasing the Elves out of the Imperial City
you said yourself they formed the alliances fighting for Molag Bal in second era. I dont know why you critisized on this background.
I think a better explanation than using the nose bleed of time-nonesense would be to just accept that in the previous games you never managed to encounter a book about the Molag Bol invasion that happened before the time of Tiber Septim since records of even Talos' early days are almost non-existent, and those that are are written as legends and pointed out in-game to probably be heavily clouded by the foggy lenses of time. That would certainly be better than expecting writers of the IP from 1994 to have the next 20+ years of a series they didn't know would be continued mapped out. And if the attack was well referenced in the series lore then we'd know the outcome and remove all agency of the player to impact the story in the interegnum. So the point about picking the Thalmor is moot, even though the Thalmor from ESO and Skyrim are different iterations of the same organisation.
Um... the Ebonheart Pact was formed after the Akaviri invasion when the Nords, Argonians and Dunmer realised how strong the were allied.