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Virpil MT50 CM3 Gimbal Base for Star Citizen - First Impressions & Simpit Installation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2022
- Installing and testing the Virpil MT-50CM3 Joystick Base, as well as first impressions. It's literally clutch and makes traditional HOSAS controls for space sims even better. The gimbal can be adjusted with a clutch/damper on a per axis basis, and this allows us to use it as an omnidirectional throttle.
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i really need to know where you got all this cool stuff and this is the best setup I've ever seen good job
Good man yourself. Handy enough. Thanks for the upload.
Pretty rad. That line is really on another level. Also always love to see how you change and adjust all the time 👍
Looks really interesting, though I think I'm spending already enough on my cockpit with building a new one. :D
At least it should be an upgrade path down the line if you wanted to go that way with how modular you are making it. :)
@@AfterimageFlight Yeah, it really looks something I need to add to my long update list. :D
Been looking forward to this!
Hope you liked it!
Thoroughly, thanks! I’d be curious if you do pick up another base for your right stick.
Another thing, when switching out the default spring for the soft spring, did you have to lubricate the soft spring with grease?
@@Tryxst3r no I changed it right away basically. It seemed fine without
im seriously impressed. are u an engineer or something? so freaking cool
Thanks. No, I am not an engineer, I've just learned one bit along the way needed to build this over the years in one way or the other and put it all together to make it. :)
Awesome! Really glad to see the CM3 features being used like this!
I've been testing versions of my warbrd dampers this week, finally on a design that performs as you are describing the cm3, nice smooth motion, little less muscle fatigue in keeping aim on targets over long sessions, I've ended up dropping the springs back down to light as I don't need the spring force to push back on me as much with the dampening present.
I still need to figure out the adjustability, I currently need to take the stick out of the base to tweak the tension, but I should have a solution for that come final version!
Not managed to cross paths on teamspeak, is there somewhere I can throw you a message, get some stuff sent out to you, the Omnithrottle adapter and stuff for you to try out if you are interested.
Sounds like an awesome project to add dampers to the WarBrd. I still prefer its dual cam design in action.
Could you make a video where one can see all of your simpit, im interested in how you're sitting and what tha entire setup looks like.
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Great vid and overview. Tempted to pick one up as well. Thanks!,
Glad I could help!
"Best control method for space sims" - That's subjective and very dependent not only on the sim, but on how that sim works.
Two sticks in SC is ideal for Decoupled mode (as the ship acts like it would in space, with momentum).
However it makes a lot less sense in Coupled mode. In this case, a throttle makes more sense. This base however, does add to the value of using it in couple mode.
I do wish you could tell the game which one you want as the default. I currently use a Stick, Throttle, and Pedals and find i can move just as well as those that claim "two sticks are best".
4:45 cam springs allow for this, but i would assume creating 3rd party cams would be a nice way to FINE TUNE the feel. Damn wish i had access to all this now, but i'll have to wait. i hope to manufacture sim pit fun at some point. like ideally i wanna experment with a saddle style system more like the vandull ships sitting in charis gets uncomfortable
I found it was hard to tell where the center is with the clutch holding the stick because it changes how the resistance feels passing over it. The largest detent really helps with going from one direction and resetting to idle.
Custom Cams will really be awesome to fine tune it.
I almost think an old motorcycle frame would make a good basis for setting that up, but I'm not sure if the cost would make that difficult.
Launching the from-experience review of CM3 before Black Friday would chime with peak interest -- just saying! :D
love the tutorials. are you still planning on making a part 4 for the button box tutorials?
would you use a cm3 base only for the left hand or on both sides? I am thinking about going to save up for a virpil dual stick setup insetad of buying the new cheap winwing sticks…
Can I ask - what did you find necessary with those to supplemental clamps on the left Z-extension & throttle? Did you find the connections to be unmanageably loose that often? TIA,
nice simp pit 👍
Hey man, great review, and fantastic cockpit, just got new Virpils with CM3 bases and z-Extention, because of that video. Could please recommend what cam plate and what spring you use for the right joystick? Thanks in advance!
I'm using the Heavy Springs and the Default Cams in the WarBRD base (right stick) with a 50mm extension. Though some space simmers prefer the cosmosim cams. I started off in Flight Sims so I prefer the default I think.
@@AfterimageFlight Yeah, the extension makes it easier to control by default, thanks, man!
I've heard of people offloading the weapon firing groups to the left stick so as to improve flying and aiming accuracy with the right stick. Have you tried this? Thoughts?
I think it would feel unnatural to me. The trigger does not require that much force to activate, even to the second stage, certainly not enough to displace the stick enough to make it miss. I don't see how it would throw off aim, but that's just me.
Way to instantly make me regret my VKB order that hasn't even shipped yet xD I'd been considering if there was some way I could do exactly that with the Y axis. You don't know how much time I spent scripting in Thrustmaster T.A.R.G.E.T. so I could have HOTASAS control. My Warthog throttle acts as a forward-only trim for my left stick Y axis.
What is your control scheme like then? I see you have pedals as well?
Basically standard HOSAS, with transnational movement on left, and rotational on right/pedals. You can see more here.
th-cam.com/video/EXwLC2blftg/w-d-xo.html
All in at current setup what would you estimate the cost minus the computer and monitor?
Edit: also, very nice setup!
The most costly component is time. You spend dozens and hundreds of hours researching, planning, trialing, dialing, setting up, learning and re-adjusting. Take your hourly wage and multiply just by a hundred and you'll quickly find out that it's an extensive project where costs are actually the least of your worries.
You could easily work more / harder / spend time on educating yourself and progressing to a higher position to buy the hardware - but you will not always find the time to work on a project like this.
As for costs of the bases, grips and extensions - plus a few other gadgets like pedals, screens etc. you can quickly build yourself a spreadsheet and add up. Consider roughly 500 for base + stick plus another 300+ for pedals, another 200-300 per screen and button box. Then you have your estimate. At the lowest I'd say about 1,5k - 2k (considering what you really count like chair, the simrig, cover parts etc.) and there is no upper limit.
Is it the same dry clutch of the VKB Mcgu?
The same idea, yeah. I'm not sure how they differ personally as I have not used the VKB one.
How long did it take for you to get you order from Virpil?
Well, for Star Citizen, you can just set 'Cruise Control' by a simple toggle keybind. So, well at least in that game, I'm not sure I'd need the left stict to function that way. I can see how the tension would be more useful for something like DCS and MSFS.
These things are just soooo expensive though. Everyone says they're basically the best out there. But well. Buying dual stick and base mounts is like buying a RTX 4090. :) Maybe more $$ ?? haha
hello, what cam and spring are you using on left stick ?
I'm using the hard center ava cam, with the light spring on the y-axis, and the default on the x-axis.
@@AfterimageFlight are you using rudder to roll ?
@@ounet3629 Stick Y: Pitch
Stick X: Roll
Pedals: Yaw
What is the left grip?
Virpil Constellation Delta - It was discontinued by them a few years back now.
Holy crap i want your stick!
If you know what i mean
@@Red-V-SB Haha. Thanks ;)
@@AfterimageFlight honestly though, what you have made here is inspirational
@@Red-V-SB Thanks!
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@@AfterimageFlight sweeet
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