I so wish I could afford virpil stuff. I'd fly the helicopters in DCS way more with this gear. The gear always looks well built. Thanks for the video. Great info as always.
Amazing how Virpil has improved there already great products, also adding those features that were missing. Them competing with VBK makes us customers happy spenders.
please publish the gunfighter mk3 review already!! i need a new hotas gimbal. Cant wait to see it. I torn between the new cm3, or the gunfighter mk3. What would you choose betweeen the 2? I am planning to make it my main hotas for dcs, star citizen, msfs etc etc.. so versatility and durability are very important. Hope you can help me with it.
Thanks for the review, would love a direct comparison MT50 CM3 + ALPHA Prime right vs VKB GF MK3 + MCGU since they are now a comparable offering (thou virpil still has pretentioning and no center cams), and only comparable on the right side currently flying star citizen with thrust/laterals with space hard cams cams and pitch/yaw soft cams since vkb has no no center currently
Was very close to getting the WarBRD, but I really wanted clutches/dampening. Then the CM3 came out but after I added it all up and compared it to the VKB Gunfighter, the VKB made more sense, financially. IIRC, including a VKB or VPC deskmount and with comparable grips, the Virpil setup would've been 40% more expensive, all in. So I went with the GF MCG Pro - I would've considered the Ultimate before they raised its price to nearly €600 but that was out of stock at the time. After a bit of tinkering, cleaning off the rotting factory grease and putting some fresh dampening grease on there, I couldn't be happier with it. Virpil is still very much on my radar though and I do hope you'll do a side by side comparison between their stuff and the Gunfighter you currently have in for review.
I want to buy my "lifetime" hardware for the PU when the PU is out of beta and considered released, because let's face it: We have years before that happens and that means it's years for these companies to perfect their products. I want the bleeding edge gear when the game is out, not 5 years before.
Idk man, I'm having a hell of a time rocking my Alpha's and WarBRD Pedals on SC right now. In a year or two I'll sell these and pick up some Primes and CM3s or 4s.
@@realnaste I have a Gladiator and a 16000 throttle. My point was to wait for the most modern stick when SC releases. Those sticks will be old hat when the PU launches. Since most of this channel's content is SC related, idk what to tell you. I use my stick for VR stuff too, but me commenting on only SC was because that's what this channel is about mostly.
Just ordered two, hope the single axis cam is good enough and there’s no stiction with the clutch, or if so it can be fixed with a bit of Nyogel like the collective.
Now we just need Monstertech to come out with a swivel adapter for specific sections of the chair mounts, and my dream setup will complete. I want to emulate on my monstertech chair the setup of a fighter jet (stationary throttle next to the armrest), but with the mobility of having the left-hand grip on a z extension swing away for fps games.
I got the CM2 over the warbird, it’ll be here Monday. Now to save for the throttle. Appreciate the video and updates. New prime stick looks awesome aswell
The change of mounting system is not particularly useful to those of us upgrading from the CM1 or CM2, I have had to spend a lot of money to be able to mount my CM3. It is in fact still sitting in the box unused awaiting arrival of a new desk mount. Keeping the original front mounted bracket as an option would have been so much more sensible.
I guess I'll still get the WarBRD gimbal. Was looking at these, not sure I'd use the additional bells and whistles it includes....except the clutch is VERY tempting. Wish they could do that with an upgraded WarBRD. Just the anti-backlash if I dump the stick is totally worth it. The only Helo's I'll fly are in War Thunder....not arcade, but DEFINITELY not Sim-level controls. Would be fun AF to buzz around in a G-Lynx harassing tanks though! My only IRL experience is with RV-7A flying aerobatics. That was a fly-by-cable and you didn't so much as move the stick as think hard at the stick. Just pressure is all you used, unlike modern hydraulic systems the force on the control surfaces was pushed directly to the stick/pedals.
Hey Noob? Quick question not comfortable adjusting sticks springs and cams would they still be a good buy if I keep them factory? Or are there other sticks that might be better for someone like me? And then I notice the next video in line...
2:53 That said, What FedEx does with that lovingly packaged parcel is another story sometimes... as I learned. Virpil to their credit were utterly fantastic.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 It is what it is. I was a bit angry and upset when I made a vid about it but it all worked out in the end. Virpil really do step up when things go wrong.
@@WhiteHawk77 I've used both, and others. They all have good and bad drivers. It depends on who you have that covers your area really. For example, here in our part of London we have 1 good DPD driver and 2 rude ones. Bit of a post code lottery.
got my VPC warbird bases today.. the are much bigger then i thought and the axle where the stick is attached is updated , its now silver with milled groves to prevent turning. I faded 50% out of Thrustmaster now , with left and right Sticks Virpil Mongoose t50, warbird bases and the Thrustmaster Warthog throttle and TPR Pedals. for my Grips i waited 30days more or less but the bases arived in roughly a week. I had my right Stick at Virpil for some defective Buttons.. they send me a Video showing my Sticks serialnumber and kept my Stick in the view while turning the camera a bit..the technican showed me LIVE the testing procedure. I felt guilty for wasteing their time but was speechless about the transparency of the efford they took. So i resumed the grip had compability issues with my left and right Warthog bases. I never regret buying there and you can very well sell their stuff if you decide to switch like me from Virpil joystick desk holders to Monstertech seat holders.. Both companys are outstanding IMHO
THanks for the great review. I have Warbird and the capacity to add damping with the clutch is a big benefit and incentive to upgrade to CM3, particularly given the additional changes made over CM2.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yes yes yes yes, I want to buy a nice stick before Christmas as a gift to myself, but I want to just bite the bullet and buy the best of the best so I want to see this review so I can compare
Great video! I’m looking at purchasing the left and right VPC Constellation Alpha Prime grips. I’m planning on using them primarily to play Star Citizen and Arma. I’m definitely going to also get the VPC Mongoos T-50CM3 Base for the left grip so I can use it a bit more like a traditional throttle. Is there any reason why I should buy a second T-50CM3 Base for the right grip? Or, would I be better off saving $50 and going with the T-50CM2 base for the right grip?
Oooohh, yes the 2022 SHOOTOUT with super affordable and all the way up to the most premium of Love Handles!! Can't wait for that one, mr Noobinator!! Awesome video once again. And once again a BIG... B I G thank you!!
I just want to say how amazingly detailed your content is, I recently got back into (space) flight sims and got myself a reasonably priced HOTAS for the amount of time committed, but I'm doing my research for when I can invest more time, which in return ups my budget (this is how I go about things). Currently looking into a Tobii 5 and a double Virpil Alpha Prime (also thanks mostly to your videos), but looking at the CM3 as a base as of now. Once again: thank you for the great content!
This is going to turn into a classic back and forth, but: thank you for taking the time to put out content! I've noticed that through all the years I've been gaming (around three decades), that I've grown towards getting better gear, more suitable or built for certain situations. In my teens I used to be able to adjust a lot to the peripherals at hand (also there wasn't as much around for the average consumer), but in my twenties I've been getting slightly more comfortable equipment (ie pro controllers, mice according to my preferences and such) and now I totally understand the enjoyment and ease of having controls designed specifically for certain types of situations. Now I'm looking forward to having a healthy life, work and game balance, first two are quite alright, the last needs to be correctly implemented ^^'
Thank you for another great video!!! Current order isn't even here yet and now i have my eye on more virps, yikes. Timing got me this time lol. They look great and thank you for the exceptional views, disassembly and knowledgeable narration
Damnit @thenoobifier. First off I’m a new subscriber and i very much appreciate your videos about flight sims. But damnit man. I’m just getting ready to dive headfirst into the whole flight sim experience. I’ve played the old school ms flight sims back in the day mainly attempted to fly helicopters with my old cheap flight stick and throttle. I’ve sunk hundreds of hours into arma 3. Mainly flying helicopters but with mouse and keyboard only. I’ve always wanted a set of rudder pedals but never but never pulled the trigger on any brand. But verpil and winwing never came into my radar until recently. I just finished building my new pc. I am really interested in dcs world. Is buying a cyclic completely necessary for dcs? Or can i get by with a proper flight stick plus throttle system? Of course i’ll be going for a good set of rudder pedals.
I am happy to help. For simulation, absolutely nothing is fully necessary. It all boils down to how much you plan to spend using it against how much it’s going to cost against how much money you have to spend. Obviously the more specialized the gear you buy, the more your simulation improves.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 the only problem i see is that virpil products are all on back order. So it could possibly be months before i get my products I’m guessing.
Can you please tell me where you got your premade four pin in five pin cables, I can’t find them anywhere I would really like to connect my dual stick to one another using the auxiliary port, so I only have to run one USB back to the computer, I also need longer cables as I’d like to permanently wire, manage them under my desk
And now you even telling me that the CM3 has the dry clutch that I pointed out that I'm missing... If only I waited with the order for a month... Oh well...
All MT50 generations work with the Monstertech WarBRD mounting plate - the alu extrusion profile VirPil uses is identical for all bases. I have my 1st gen MT50s mounted on the WarBRD plates.
to anyone wondering about taking the risk to get virpl products, you will not be disappointed. Im cheap af but it was worth getting these. growing up my dad had saitek joysticks and even as a kid i didnt like them cause of the lazy centering spring and puck, fast forward to my 30's and i bought thrustmaster t1600. leaps and bounds better than previous brand but they did look pretty ugly. was great till the twist axis gave out after a year. i then had a buddy talk me into virpl. 2 years later i finally got one and instantly was hooked. out the box no setting tweaks and it was perfect. 2-3 years later and still feel like day one use. I now own 2 sticks and a throttle from them. im sure these will last till my kids are old enough to use them.
Oh wow, a US warehouse? Jeezus man, shipping to BC currently costs as much as the unit itself. This is fantastic news and have a US option will save me a tonne!
1. Tips on other so called dead joysticks? 2.are they dead joysticks capable to twist(YAW) 360°?maybe if some Springs are removed? (Planning to use it as controllers for Azimuth propultion marine vessels in simulator) Thanks in advance🙏
Dry clutch is interesting. If I'm understanding right it seems that you could use this with the z axis adapter to act like a throttle where it stays where you leave it.
Yeah seems really good for dual joystick setups. But how will this work with a soft center? Do you even need a center cam when you have this option? bit confused how this works all together.
Another excellent review! I was looking at MT50 CM2 and MT50 CM3 and trying to decide what to go with for my Alpha Primes. After watching this review the choice is much easier. Thank you for doing the research and posting your videos to help us out. I've been playing space sim games for a short period of time and used a gaming pad which does not provide the whole immersive gaming experience flight sticks do. I totally agree with your philosophy on investing in good gear so going with Virpil products is an easy choice for me.
I started perhaps the longest thread on Virpil's forum regarding the non-linearity of force on the CM2 between left/right and up/down. You missed it in your CM2 review though it seemed to affect anyone who took the time to measure the force. Which lead me to believe it was a defect in the original shape calculations. I switched to the WarBRD design but reports later in the thread mention it's fixed, can you confirm?
The feeling of proportional force was fixed. The CM2 and CM3 cams are slightly, visually different when placed over each other. It looks as if they “massaged” the curve to improve balance. The left side isn’t just a copy of the right.
Damn you and your brilliant videography! I saw the video on the Alpha Primes. Concluded they weren't enough of an upgrade over my current Alphas. Then this video drops, and the dry clutch on the CM3's is just perfect and a feature I have been missing from the CM2's! So those went in the cart... and then the Virpil pack discount meant it was almost a no brainer to get the new Alpha Prime grips too :P And then I have a couple of Alpha grips left over, and decided to get a Heli Collective base to use with the left hand Alpha. This was an expensive 10 minutes and 17 seconds! Edit: And why on earth did Virpil change the mounting solution? Surely the current CM2 mounts are much more solid.
Hey may i ask, just to be sure 100%. When you talk about mounting in 4:10, that is a monstertech WarBird plate, right? I'm think of buying this base and already have a monstertech rail mount, so i just wanna be sure before making both orders
No, personally, if you wanted a force sensing feeling, it’s difficult to replicate without going and getting a force sensing stick. I did a video on “ sunlight dynamics “ if you search for it, that IS a true force sense .
Got an order in a few days ago alpha left and right, cm2 base, mounts, and a throttle, ive fallen in love with virpil since my first order. Finally have the throttle i wanted, cant wait to finally get all the keybinds set up and the way i want it. Hardest part about the thing is finding where you want to put ALLL of the keybinds haha and customizing it to your liking haha. Ngl i didnt even know they were releaaing a cm3 base and a new alpha grip but ngl i like the grips the way they are and im happy with the cm2 so ive got no complaints, + saved me some money heh
I love every Virpil product I've purchased thus far. Warbird, CM2, 2 delta grips, the Z axis attachment, Sharka panel and pedals. All TOP QUALITY. Very happy to hear both Monstertech and Virpil will have US shipping. Both will be getting additional business from me this year.
I'm currently on VKB's NXT EVO premium's. Love their products. Also love the aesthetics of Virpil. One reason why i choose VKB above Virpil is the recommendations from some people saying Virpil has issues with breaking springs and cams. Seeing how you open them up and the whole build quality, i'm beginning to question how true those comments are....
It’s only really those people who decide to use the most insane spring possible. There were two streamers who should have upgraded to CM2 instead of WarBRD because they wanted so much torque... Nobody else had issues... Also, You will be happy to know I am working on VKB reviews as I type.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thanks, The 2 things i'm taking into account with upgrading from my VKB's will be: 1) aesthetics, Gunfighters look great, but only have a right handed version out. 2) I have small hands, so being able to reach all buttons on the sticks is important. Looking forward to see/hear your thoughts on the VKB's! Ps. loved the real pilot/fake heli vid!
Great Video! I always enjoy your content, If I wanted to to use the Thrustmaster F-16 or F-18 grip would it be too heavy and or “loose” for this gimbal because of the extra weight?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 oh ok so in terms of functionality and the feel of the grip would you recommend getting a Virpil grip instead? For Example in one of your videos you said the Mt-50 cm2 Grip felt better than the warthog since the warthog stick was much heavier? Was that maybe just because the cm2 gimbal’s cams and springs were not as strong for the heavier Thrustmaster grip?
If i understood correctly if id invest in these i could make it a "dead stick" on forward/backward axis to simulate throttle behavior whilst simultaneously still having left/right joystick self-center behavior?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 That sounds amazing in theory (i'm using a joystick with my left hand now). Did you ever try such a setup? Would it make sense in a space sim environment?
Just wanted to put my 2c in here. Bought the CM3 for my RH in DCS to replace the Warbrd. I can't recommend this upgrade for anyone in a similar position. My setup: VFX Grip/S-Extension/WarBrd + EXHeavy Spring. After upgrading to the CM3: Noob is 100% correct on all his points, but the problem is 2 things for me. 1, the drag clutches have to be turned completely off to allow the fine motor skills around the center for say Aerial Refuling or whatever. 2, The maximum tension at the extremities is technically less due to the design differences. The WB pulls the spring apart so the tension increases exponentially at the extremities. The CM3 compresses the spring so I felt it go to max tension around the 90% and kind of plateu. Customizability was next level and a great option for someone that wants to bounce between cams and springs, but as I use the same setup all the time regardless of the game it was of no benefit to me. TLDR: It's not a good upgrade if you have no plans on utilizing the clutches, swapping cams/spring often. If you just plan to set it once and never change anything for a RH stick, I prefer the WB. Sold it to my buddy for a LH stick in StarCitizen. It's really great, but just can't justify the money if I'm not using the features. Kinda like buying a dump truck to get a corde of wood. Thanks for the review!
On one gimbal, yes. You simply release all spring on the gimbal and apply drag. To reverse, reduce drag and apply tension. It works well. The easiest would be to use separate gimbals. For Eg… I have a CM3 that is only my middle cyclic and a CM2 that is for F18.
What would be awesome is if there was somewhere that people could use to sell their old gear on for those of us that cant afford new or refuse to order from the EU and wait half a year to get it while paying absurd shipping costs.
Can I get your advice, for mounting this to a monstertech chair in centre mount, what extension pieces would you order? And is it the warbrd mounting plate for it?
@@Bland-79 from the US store for a US customer, 2 Virpil alpha primes and 2 CM3’s cost a total of $1.1k give or take. This takes into account the 10% discount when you buy a stick and a base together.
I have ordered 2 sticks 2 wrbrd bases 2 control boxes and the z adapter from virpil. I never had anything other than a small amount of bubble wrap on anything from them.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 it was around October last year for the sticks. Bases were December. Control panels were February this year. Only thing that had a foam box was the z adapter lol
I just got an order from virpil usa a few days ago, cm2 base 2 alphas mounts and a throttle, everything came wrapped in bubble wrap, then a bag, and taped tight. All fit snugly into the boxes they were in. Throttle was the same and so was the base but they were each inside there own boxes with propper snugness and those boxes were inside of another box inside a bigger box for shipping, was very impressed how much nothing moved when shook.
@@akujie4821 oh i hear ya. Just saying what my experience was, they possibly got better or since i got it from the usa warehouse its a touch different now?
Man Virpil are fking killing it! SO HAPPY TO SEE THE MDO WELL!!!!!
I so wish I could afford virpil stuff. I'd fly the helicopters in DCS way more with this gear. The gear always looks well built. Thanks for the video. Great info as always.
Yeah looks great, but apart from material quality, VKB got much cheaper alternatives with similar features.
+BrianMP5T *VIRPIL Controls have outdone themselves in the MongoosT-50CM3.* The Avia no-center I'd try out for a cyclic in the helicopter simulator.
Amazing how Virpil has improved there already great products, also adding those features that were missing. Them competing with VBK makes us customers happy spenders.
please publish the gunfighter mk3 review already!! i need a new hotas gimbal. Cant wait to see it.
I torn between the new cm3, or the gunfighter mk3. What would you choose betweeen the 2? I am planning to make it my main hotas for dcs, star citizen, msfs etc etc.. so versatility and durability are very important.
Hope you can help me with it.
Thanks for the review, would love a direct comparison MT50 CM3 + ALPHA Prime right vs VKB GF MK3 + MCGU since they are now a comparable offering (thou virpil still has pretentioning and no center cams), and only comparable on the right side
currently flying star citizen with thrust/laterals with space hard cams cams and pitch/yaw soft cams since vkb has no no center currently
still waiting for that update all sticks video :X
Was very close to getting the WarBRD, but I really wanted clutches/dampening. Then the CM3 came out but after I added it all up and compared it to the VKB Gunfighter, the VKB made more sense, financially. IIRC, including a VKB or VPC deskmount and with comparable grips, the Virpil setup would've been 40% more expensive, all in. So I went with the GF MCG Pro - I would've considered the Ultimate before they raised its price to nearly €600 but that was out of stock at the time. After a bit of tinkering, cleaning off the rotting factory grease and putting some fresh dampening grease on there, I couldn't be happier with it. Virpil is still very much on my radar though and I do hope you'll do a side by side comparison between their stuff and the Gunfighter you currently have in for review.
I want to buy my "lifetime" hardware for the PU when the PU is out of beta and considered released, because let's face it: We have years before that happens and that means it's years for these companies to perfect their products. I want the bleeding edge gear when the game is out, not 5 years before.
or 10...
@@NOOBIFIER1337 get a load of this optimist thinking it will be out in the next 15 years....
I'd never buy this if I thought star citizen is the only game id use it for ._.
Idk man, I'm having a hell of a time rocking my Alpha's and WarBRD Pedals on SC right now. In a year or two I'll sell these and pick up some Primes and CM3s or 4s.
@@realnaste I have a Gladiator and a 16000 throttle. My point was to wait for the most modern stick when SC releases. Those sticks will be old hat when the PU launches. Since most of this channel's content is SC related, idk what to tell you. I use my stick for VR stuff too, but me commenting on only SC was because that's what this channel is about mostly.
Just ordered two, hope the single axis cam is good enough and there’s no stiction with the clutch, or if so it can be fixed with a bit of Nyogel like the collective.
Now we just need Monstertech to come out with a swivel adapter for specific sections of the chair mounts, and my dream setup will complete. I want to emulate on my monstertech chair the setup of a fighter jet (stationary throttle next to the armrest), but with the mobility of having the left-hand grip on a z extension swing away for fps games.
I got the CM2 over the warbird, it’ll be here Monday. Now to save for the throttle. Appreciate the video and updates. New prime stick looks awesome aswell
THE TOYS..... THE TOYS.... The Noobs man cave is nothing less than spectacular.
I drool every time I see your rigs.....WAAAY beyond my budget though ;) Thankfully my Gladiator NXTs with SCG grips have been serving me well for SC.
The change of mounting system is not particularly useful to those of us upgrading from the CM1 or CM2, I have had to spend a lot of money to be able to mount my CM3. It is in fact still sitting in the box unused awaiting arrival of a new desk mount. Keeping the original front mounted bracket as an option would have been so much more sensible.
I guess I'll still get the WarBRD gimbal. Was looking at these, not sure I'd use the additional bells and whistles it includes....except the clutch is VERY tempting. Wish they could do that with an upgraded WarBRD. Just the anti-backlash if I dump the stick is totally worth it. The only Helo's I'll fly are in War Thunder....not arcade, but DEFINITELY not Sim-level controls. Would be fun AF to buzz around in a G-Lynx harassing tanks though!
My only IRL experience is with RV-7A flying aerobatics. That was a fly-by-cable and you didn't so much as move the stick as think hard at the stick. Just pressure is all you used, unlike modern hydraulic systems the force on the control surfaces was pushed directly to the stick/pedals.
Hey Noob? Quick question not comfortable adjusting sticks springs and cams would they still be a good buy if I keep them factory? Or are there other sticks that might be better for someone like me?
And then I notice the next video in line...
The stock default are perfectly fine and the set screw is right there. Lots of adjustment
Could that clutch be adjusted to allow a left handed stick to keep its place only in one axis when used as a throttle? Am I understanding that right?
Yes! it can, Virpil even quickly showed that in their promo video
@@willhartsell2283 missed that video, I'll have to go watch it!
2:53 That said, What FedEx does with that lovingly packaged parcel is another story sometimes... as I learned. Virpil to their credit were utterly fantastic.
You had a bad go with Fed Ex.. that’s upsetting
@@NOOBIFIER1337 It is what it is. I was a bit angry and upset when I made a vid about it but it all worked out in the end. Virpil really do step up when things go wrong.
@@Duvoncho DHL is what people say to go for if you have the option where you are as Fed Ex don’t have a good rep it seems.
@@WhiteHawk77 I've used both, and others. They all have good and bad drivers. It depends on who you have that covers your area really. For example, here in our part of London we have 1 good DPD driver and 2 rude ones. Bit of a post code lottery.
This is some top notch equipment. The build quality looks outstanding.
got my VPC warbird bases today.. the are much bigger then i thought and the axle where the stick is attached is updated , its now silver with milled groves to prevent turning. I faded 50% out of Thrustmaster now , with left and right Sticks Virpil Mongoose t50, warbird bases and the Thrustmaster Warthog throttle and TPR Pedals.
for my Grips i waited 30days more or less but the bases arived in roughly a week. I had my right Stick at Virpil for some defective Buttons.. they send me a Video showing my Sticks serialnumber and kept my Stick in the view while turning the camera a bit..the technican showed me LIVE the testing procedure. I felt guilty for wasteing their time but was speechless about the transparency of the efford they took.
So i resumed the grip had compability issues with my left and right Warthog bases. I never regret buying there and you can very well sell their stuff if you decide to switch like me from Virpil joystick desk holders to Monstertech seat holders.. Both companys are outstanding IMHO
THanks for the great review.
I have Warbird and the capacity to add damping with the clutch is a big benefit and incentive to upgrade to CM3, particularly given the additional changes made over CM2.
well now they cost more than vkb ultimate, no thank you
I will be reviewing those next
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yes yes yes yes, I want to buy a nice stick before Christmas as a gift to myself, but I want to just bite the bullet and buy the best of the best so I want to see this review so I can compare
@@DrSpoon-iu4hs if you play space games don’t buy MCGu, it’s right only.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 what if I only intended on doing dcs and il2 would you get the cm3 base with the moon goose head, or should I do the mcgu?
Great video! I’m looking at purchasing the left and right VPC Constellation Alpha Prime grips. I’m planning on using them primarily to play Star Citizen and Arma. I’m definitely going to also get the VPC Mongoos T-50CM3 Base for the left grip so I can use it a bit more like a traditional throttle.
Is there any reason why I should buy a second T-50CM3 Base for the right grip? Or, would I be better off saving $50 and going with the T-50CM2 base for the right grip?
That would work. But there is the idea of future proofing
Oooohh, yes the 2022 SHOOTOUT with super affordable and all the way up to the most premium of Love Handles!! Can't wait for that one, mr Noobinator!! Awesome video once again. And once again a BIG... B I G thank you!!
Fingers crossed!
I just want to say how amazingly detailed your content is, I recently got back into (space) flight sims and got myself a reasonably priced HOTAS for the amount of time committed, but I'm doing my research for when I can invest more time, which in return ups my budget (this is how I go about things). Currently looking into a Tobii 5 and a double Virpil Alpha Prime (also thanks mostly to your videos), but looking at the CM3 as a base as of now.
Once again: thank you for the great content!
Thanks so much for taking the time to post. I am also a fan of TOBII… need to make that video.
This is going to turn into a classic back and forth, but: thank you for taking the time to put out content!
I've noticed that through all the years I've been gaming (around three decades), that I've grown towards getting better gear, more suitable or built for certain situations. In my teens I used to be able to adjust a lot to the peripherals at hand (also there wasn't as much around for the average consumer), but in my twenties I've been getting slightly more comfortable equipment (ie pro controllers, mice according to my preferences and such) and now I totally understand the enjoyment and ease of having controls designed specifically for certain types of situations.
Now I'm looking forward to having a healthy life, work and game balance, first two are quite alright, the last needs to be correctly implemented ^^'
Disappointed they didn't keep backwards compatibility with the mounting.
I just put my CM2 on a WarBrd plate anyway.. check Twitter
Very nice, but I think I'll stick with my WarBRD's extensions aren't for me.
I like WarBrd for my standing rig better. You don’t need to worry about this upgrade.
Thank you for another great video!!! Current order isn't even here yet and now i have my eye on more virps, yikes. Timing got me this time lol. They look great and thank you for the exceptional views, disassembly and knowledgeable narration
Thank you for your support. It’s a pleasure to work towards scripting all the information and points the community might find useful.
Niiice !!
I would definitely love a head-to-head between that CM-3 vs the Winwing Orion 2 in a perspective of a multi-purpose stick.
I will gladly review win wing, if they would send
Don't forget to comment your comments in the comments guys!
I already have a nice set of Virpils so this is just eye candy.
It is not a huge update if you are already happy.. fact
Do you prefer these vs the Gunfighter Mk.III Space Combat Edition?
miss me with the alpha prime i'm here to be jealous over the dry clutch.
I got my CM2 like 2 months ago :(
So from what I could see this gimbal is asymmetrical then?
Ok, I don’t see how that changes anything. The operation is balanced, the adjustment screw is to one side.
Damnit @thenoobifier. First off I’m a new subscriber and i very much appreciate your videos about flight sims. But damnit man. I’m just getting ready to dive headfirst into the whole flight sim experience. I’ve played the old school ms flight sims back in the day mainly attempted to fly helicopters with my old cheap flight stick and throttle. I’ve sunk hundreds of hours into arma 3. Mainly flying helicopters but with mouse and keyboard only. I’ve always wanted a set of rudder pedals but never but never pulled the trigger on any brand. But verpil and winwing never came into my radar until recently. I just finished building my new pc. I am really interested in dcs world. Is buying a cyclic completely necessary for dcs? Or can i get by with a proper flight stick plus throttle system? Of course i’ll be going for a good set of rudder pedals.
I am happy to help. For simulation, absolutely nothing is fully necessary. It all boils down to how much you plan to spend using it against how much it’s going to cost against how much money you have to spend. Obviously the more specialized the gear you buy, the more your simulation improves.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 the only problem i see is that virpil products are all on back order. So it could possibly be months before i get my products I’m guessing.
Can you please tell me where you got your premade four pin in five pin cables, I can’t find them anywhere I would really like to connect my dual stick to one another using the auxiliary port, so I only have to run one USB back to the computer, I also need longer cables as I’d like to permanently wire, manage them under my desk
Direct from Virpil
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I don’t see anything for sale on their website?
And now you even telling me that the CM3 has the dry clutch that I pointed out that I'm missing... If only I waited with the order for a month... Oh well...
All MT50 generations work with the Monstertech WarBRD mounting plate - the alu extrusion profile VirPil uses is identical for all bases. I have my 1st gen MT50s mounted on the WarBRD plates.
the only thing keeping me from getting the warbrd gimbal is that it doesnt allow daisy chaining to virpil button boxes
I bought a pair of Virpil joysticks that you recommended, I am curious how long did it take for you to get you order?
to anyone wondering about taking the risk to get virpl products, you will not be disappointed. Im cheap af but it was worth getting these. growing up my dad had saitek joysticks and even as a kid i didnt like them cause of the lazy centering spring and puck, fast forward to my 30's and i bought thrustmaster t1600. leaps and bounds better than previous brand but they did look pretty ugly. was great till the twist axis gave out after a year. i then had a buddy talk me into virpl. 2 years later i finally got one and instantly was hooked. out the box no setting tweaks and it was perfect. 2-3 years later and still feel like day one use. I now own 2 sticks and a throttle from them. im sure these will last till my kids are old enough to use them.
You really starting convice me to buy Virpil setup for SC. Nice setup, I can't wait for more info.
Oh wow, a US warehouse? Jeezus man, shipping to BC currently costs as much as the unit itself. This is fantastic news and have a US option will save me a tonne!
1. Tips on other so called dead joysticks?
2.are they dead joysticks capable to twist(YAW) 360°?maybe if some Springs are removed?
(Planning to use it as controllers for Azimuth propultion marine vessels in simulator)
Thanks in advance🙏
What table mount system are you using ?
The system is called monstertech MTS
Dry clutch is interesting. If I'm understanding right it seems that you could use this with the z axis adapter to act like a throttle where it stays where you leave it.
Yeah seems really good for dual joystick setups. But how will this work with a soft center? Do you even need a center cam when you have this option? bit confused how this works all together.
I'd like to see whether the Aviasim cams, light spring, and axis brakes could hold a long cyclic execution at angle.
th-cam.com/video/BIFEEdGJ8ps/w-d-xo.html around the 1:48 mark.
Need a comparison between this and VKB gunfighter
Im so frustrated virpil releases the new alpha and cm3 a month after i receive the previous aloha and cm2.
Another excellent review! I was looking at MT50 CM2 and MT50 CM3 and trying to decide what to go with for my Alpha Primes. After watching this review the choice is much easier. Thank you for doing the research and posting your videos to help us out. I've been playing space sim games for a short period of time and used a gaming pad which does not provide the whole immersive gaming experience flight sticks do. I totally agree with your philosophy on investing in good gear so going with Virpil products is an easy choice for me.
The quality of those internal components blows my mind.
I started perhaps the longest thread on Virpil's forum regarding the non-linearity of force on the CM2 between left/right and up/down. You missed it in your CM2 review though it seemed to affect anyone who took the time to measure the force. Which lead me to believe it was a defect in the original shape calculations. I switched to the WarBRD design but reports later in the thread mention it's fixed, can you confirm?
The feeling of proportional force was fixed. The CM2 and CM3 cams are slightly, visually different when placed over each other. It looks as if they “massaged” the curve to improve balance. The left side isn’t just a copy of the right.
Damn you and your brilliant videography! I saw the video on the Alpha Primes. Concluded they weren't enough of an upgrade over my current Alphas. Then this video drops, and the dry clutch on the CM3's is just perfect and a feature I have been missing from the CM2's! So those went in the cart... and then the Virpil pack discount meant it was almost a no brainer to get the new Alpha Prime grips too :P And then I have a couple of Alpha grips left over, and decided to get a Heli Collective base to use with the left hand Alpha. This was an expensive 10 minutes and 17 seconds!
Edit: And why on earth did Virpil change the mounting solution? Surely the current CM2 mounts are much more solid.
Sorry for this but I am sure you will end up being happy. That was a fun story and I do take the photography serious, so it was nice for you to notice
Now if only Virpil did a complete force feedback product line...
Have you tried to use a different cam in right via left - IE soft center cosmo right with a no center cosmo left?
So good.
Ebay is overpriced right now.
Hey may i ask, just to be sure 100%. When you talk about mounting in 4:10, that is a monstertech WarBird plate, right?
I'm think of buying this base and already have a monstertech rail mount, so i just wanna be sure before making both orders
The plate IS the exact same as the WarBRD plate.
Would installing the heaviest cams and springs replicate the minimal throw of an f16 side stick? Does anyone have experience of this? Thanks
No, personally, if you wanted a force sensing feeling, it’s difficult to replicate without going and getting a force sensing stick. I did a video on “ sunlight dynamics “ if you search for it, that IS a true force sense .
Got an order in a few days ago alpha left and right, cm2 base, mounts, and a throttle, ive fallen in love with virpil since my first order. Finally have the throttle i wanted, cant wait to finally get all the keybinds set up and the way i want it.
Hardest part about the thing is finding where you want to put ALLL of the keybinds haha and customizing it to your liking haha.
Ngl i didnt even know they were releaaing a cm3 base and a new alpha grip but ngl i like the grips the way they are and im happy with the cm2 so ive got no complaints, + saved me some money heh
How much did that all cost together?
What watch is it you have on in the video Noob? I'm a proud owner of a Sinn 103 automatik and thought you may have something similar on?
1980 Omega Speedmaster DayDate 3220.50.00 40mm
what is the name of the cockpit you have I like the chair setup
Hi can you answer this, to use the drag clutch properly for helicopters do the springs need to be removed or just loosened off ??....Cheers
I loosened the springs slack
of course these reviews show the day after my order ships from EU
Is the Delta grip getting a second version? I noticed they haven't stocked it for a while.
Delta has run its course.
A dead stick seems perfect for HOSAS left to work more like a throttle but keeping all the benefits of a stick.
I am testing it for sC
I love every Virpil product I've purchased thus far.
Warbird, CM2, 2 delta grips, the Z axis attachment, Sharka panel and pedals.
All TOP QUALITY.
Very happy to hear both Monstertech and Virpil will have US shipping.
Both will be getting additional business from me this year.
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thanks for doing what you do.
You are one of the best hardware reviewers on TH-cam.
Imho.
I'm currently on VKB's NXT EVO premium's. Love their products.
Also love the aesthetics of Virpil. One reason why i choose VKB above Virpil is the recommendations from some people saying Virpil has issues with breaking springs and cams.
Seeing how you open them up and the whole build quality, i'm beginning to question how true those comments are....
It’s only really those people who decide to use the most insane spring possible. There were two streamers who should have upgraded to CM2 instead of WarBRD because they wanted so much torque... Nobody else had issues... Also, You will be happy to know I am working on VKB reviews as I type.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thanks, The 2 things i'm taking into account with upgrading from my VKB's will be:
1) aesthetics, Gunfighters look great, but only have a right handed version out.
2) I have small hands, so being able to reach all buttons on the sticks is important.
Looking forward to see/hear your thoughts on the VKB's!
Ps. loved the real pilot/fake heli vid!
Great Video! I always enjoy your content, If I wanted to to use the Thrustmaster F-16 or F-18 grip would it be too heavy and or “loose” for this gimbal because of the extra weight?
No, it would be fine, you would need to add a firmware for it to work.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 oh ok so in terms of functionality and the feel of the grip would you recommend getting a Virpil grip instead? For Example in one of your videos you said the Mt-50 cm2 Grip felt better than the warthog since the warthog stick was much heavier? Was that maybe just because the cm2 gimbal’s cams and springs were not as strong for the heavier Thrustmaster grip?
i have the cm2 and REALLY wish i put put the cables on the rear! iv broken 2 because they stick out the front
mount it backwards, then invert in software?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 i gfot round it by removing the plate and running the cable out the bottom lol
If i understood correctly if id invest in these i could make it a "dead stick" on forward/backward axis to simulate throttle behavior whilst simultaneously still having left/right joystick self-center behavior?
Yes. They are split
@@NOOBIFIER1337 That sounds amazing in theory (i'm using a joystick with my left hand now). Did you ever try such a setup? Would it make sense in a space sim environment?
Just wanted to put my 2c in here. Bought the CM3 for my RH in DCS to replace the Warbrd. I can't recommend this upgrade for anyone in a similar position.
My setup: VFX Grip/S-Extension/WarBrd + EXHeavy Spring.
After upgrading to the CM3: Noob is 100% correct on all his points, but the problem is 2 things for me. 1, the drag clutches have to be turned completely off to allow the fine motor skills around the center for say Aerial Refuling or whatever. 2, The maximum tension at the extremities is technically less due to the design differences. The WB pulls the spring apart so the tension increases exponentially at the extremities. The CM3 compresses the spring so I felt it go to max tension around the 90% and kind of plateu.
Customizability was next level and a great option for someone that wants to bounce between cams and springs, but as I use the same setup all the time regardless of the game it was of no benefit to me.
TLDR: It's not a good upgrade if you have no plans on utilizing the clutches, swapping cams/spring often. If you just plan to set it once and never change anything for a RH stick, I prefer the WB.
Sold it to my buddy for a LH stick in StarCitizen. It's really great, but just can't justify the money if I'm not using the features. Kinda like buying a dump truck to get a corde of wood.
Thanks for the review!
I appreciate your complete feedback. It was insightful.
Do you feel that Nyogel for the clutches provide any benefit on the performance/smoothness/precision for this base?
Personally, the way this is built, it relays on the friction to dampen, I wouldn’t “add less friction” to a friction based system.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 ok. Well some ppl say it's beneficial. I'll try it without first.
Bruh... You sir are a god.
Does this mean a CM3 with an alpha and z extension would work like a throttle? Push forward and it stays in place at max throttle etc?
Yes, this exactly
@@NOOBIFIER1337 amazing
This would make decoupled atmos flight so much nicer and more comfortable.
Now I just need to save a heap of money lmao
Wow I never knew these existed! Will love to see your updated video soon!
Only just released today.
@noobifier would you say that you can easily swap between airplanes stick and helo cyclic? As in the switch is easy?
On one gimbal, yes. You simply release all spring on the gimbal and apply drag. To reverse, reduce drag and apply tension. It works well. The easiest would be to use separate gimbals. For Eg… I have a CM3 that is only my middle cyclic and a CM2 that is for F18.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thank you!
What would be awesome is if there was somewhere that people could use to sell their old gear on for those of us that cant afford new or refuse to order from the EU and wait half a year to get it while paying absurd shipping costs.
So what you’re describing is eBay.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I trust eBay about as much as I trust the government!
Can I get your advice, for mounting this to a monstertech chair in centre mount, what extension pieces would you order?
And is it the warbrd mounting plate for it?
They have updated the web store, yes it’s the same plate as the WrBRD.
Contact me on discord, I will send a photo of my middle mount.
Awesome will do thanks for your reply
Great video, Thanks.
You are welcome!
Are the base and the stick sold separately? If not are there right and left stick bundles for a cheaper price?
Parts are sold separate. I don’t know if there is a promo or bundle
@@NOOBIFIER1337 How much are two bases and a left and right stick?
@@Bland-79 from the US store for a US customer, 2 Virpil alpha primes and 2 CM3’s cost a total of $1.1k give or take. This takes into account the 10% discount when you buy a stick and a base together.
*I see why they send you their products to advertise, you seem excellent at pushing their products*
I work very hard to present a complete picture
I have ordered 2 sticks 2 wrbrd bases 2 control boxes and the z adapter from virpil. I never had anything other than a small amount of bubble wrap on anything from them.
When was this?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 it was around October last year for the sticks. Bases were December. Control panels were February this year. Only thing that had a foam box was the z adapter lol
I just got an order from virpil usa a few days ago, cm2 base 2 alphas mounts and a throttle, everything came wrapped in bubble wrap, then a bag, and taped tight. All fit snugly into the boxes they were in. Throttle was the same and so was the base but they were each inside there own boxes with propper snugness and those boxes were inside of another box inside a bigger box for shipping, was very impressed how much nothing moved when shook.
@@bloodchain80 I was less impressed with what I got. Love the product don't get me wrong. But my sticks came in bubbkw wrap and sliding around a box.
@@akujie4821 oh i hear ya. Just saying what my experience was, they possibly got better or since i got it from the usa warehouse its a touch different now?