Hope you folks enjoy my updated look at seeing how PS1 games fare on a PS3 Vs a PS2! Also note, I put PS1 on x settings for the OSSC, meant to put PS2 but oh well! xD
However, the sound balance is off on PS3, with music being lower in volume whereas sound effects are driven too hard :) While most games can adjust volume levels, not all do which could be a concern for certain PS1 games :)
Sadly I don't have a PS3 with backwards compatibility or PS2 games downloaded onto it :) Maybe with modding it could work but I won't be able to test this for a very long time 🫣
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficialI have a Ps3 slim modded and i play Ps2 games on it, i know its a bit risky, but its safe with some precautions. Anyway, i'm following u in case u got a Ps3 with BC, great content bro
One important thing to note for those who don't know: the downloadable psone classics all have a blur filter baked into them save for a few (like bloody roar 2 which runs at 480i without combing) Just be warned that you'll never get sharp visuals from them. Get the discs or some other solution.
What did you do to make ps1 games on Ps3 looking that sharp? 😮On my Ps3 all Ps1 games look noticeable blurrier than on my Ps2 even if i disable the blur filter in the Ps3 menu, also games that use other resolutions than 320x240 doesn´t scale that well. And SFA3 is a 384x224 game, that will certainly show uneven scaling on my Ps3.
I used HDMI at 1080p, I made sure to turn all filters off and use full screen, I used my physical disks (Not downloads, all PS1 downloads have a bilinear filter forced on) that's it really :) Nothing special, although I had use my PAL games being I have a PAL PS3 but, that's how I made PS1 games sharp on PS3 :)
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial That´s weird, i recall even my phisical Ps1 discs not looking that sharp, even at 1080p with all filters off, and some games that use resolutions such as 256x240, or 512x240 didn´t scale very well, even at 480p. I wonder if Pal Ps3s have better Ps1 emulation than my American Ps3, also my Ps3 is the "Super Slim" model.
I sadly don't own an American PS3 so I cannot test the two side by side, not sure if the PAL resolution is making a difference or not as that's the only thing I can think of. My PS3 is the normal slim, not the super slim you own :)
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial In a day and age when PSN is on its way out and there really isn't much reason to be concerned with the PS3 being banned, there are only advantages to modding it. ;)
@@TAGMedia7 I mean many people won't don't not because of PSN, but because many people simply will not mod their systems :) I will attempt to as I already have modded systems & because I want the best out of the PS3 :)
How were you able to get such a clear output with the PS3 on Silent Hill? I own the game and even then I get bilinear blurring that can't be turned off, even with Smoothing off on the console. I've heard Greatest Hits versions will sometimes bypass this issue. FF7 does this as well but I was able to work around it with a fan translated version
Everything I used was the disk version :) I know downloaded versions from the PS store have a forced bilinear filter that cannot be disabled, the disk versions get around this :) Not all disk games are sharper, some sadly like FF7 still have it forced on for some reason, it is hard to know which games do or don't have it on :)
Screen resolution, that's used by the consoles, becomes kinda irrelevant because the game's actual (internal) resolution is still lower. Besides which you probably know already, PS2 is more preferable since it has PS1 hardware built-in and doesn't use emulation.
Everyone will have a different take & of course, the cables and other things effect which one is best :) I prefer the PS2 myself but, I use my xStation modded PS1 if I want to enjoy PS1 games to the fullest:)
Music is great, set up and showing what everything is is good but you gotta take care of 0:59 that no one wants to click on to see someones HPV. Also the Silent Hill looks like how I would think a Silent Hill game would look like in Silent Hill (it hurts mine eyes) Also I think I heard somewhere that the PS3's PS1 emulator was made, bought, or taken from some all ready made (really good) emulator? IDK Thanks for the vid
I checked 0:59 & I don't understand the issue? It's just a shot of the HDMI Splitter I use to show people how I capture HDMI video form the PS3 :) That is news to me as it has been said for years that Sony made the emulator for PS1 games to work on PS3 unless a third party did it and it hasn't been a widespread fact? No idea :)
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial its not an issue ad it maybe just a callous on your thumb knuckle but if its something you can take care of you may wanna. IDK it looks like a wart. Ain't nobody got time for that. Its the timing of what you say and showing what you are talking about. I think its pretty good I think others may have trouble understanding kind of a simple shot/' show and tell. I think I may have been mistaken as its prob the emulator on the 360 of the og Xbox. 😅
Right, allow me to explain the "wart". I had/have a skin condition called Atopic eczema (I'm sure you know what that is) & I've had it since I was a child. I will not edit it out, I'm not scared or ashamed to show it & I'm certainly proud of having to overcome It from since I was a child. I'm fortunate it no longer itches or affects me the way it had in my childhood. You may find it disgusting or awful or however you feel but, to say this comment is hurtful & I really hope you apologise for saying this. You probably didn't realise what the condition was or how it affected me but, please be more sensitive next time.
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial Yeah its not an issue. You are free to do what you wish with your videos. My intent was to give advice. And since HPV /Warts are treatable then I thought I would do you the service to point it out. No harm intended, sorry if it makes you feel a way. I know what warts or a callous are and it looks like one, thats objective. I have seen people show uncut dirty nails, and dirty hands in videos and have pointed it out before. Do not let me get in your way of doing what you want. Im no one, just a person out of 7billion. I think your content is good, brake a leg and have a good week
I appreciate the comment & thank you for understanding:) Dirty nails & so on I can understand because you can clean up but not so much a long running skin condition :) Anyway thank you for understanding:)
I think the PS2 emulation was mediocre and the PS3 emulation Sony got it right and made it functional. When it comes to the audio. I think that's just a matter of perspective and the sound equipment you got, if you plug in some retro analog speakers and compare that with digital speakers the difference is night and day, the analog speakers will be full of life in comparison to the dull digital speakers of today. It's just how the sound equipment is designed. However there are digital speakers that outmatch the analog speakers but it's rare. I'd say Harman Kardon sound cards and Grundig CRTs with their built-in audio have the best output for retro games and music production, as they provide more depth and realism to the audio emitted through the speakers aswell as their fine tuned approach to audio. Overall, it's difficult to say which way is the best way to play PS1 games. Both will have it's draw backs. Emulators often fail to capture all the elements in the game and render them out improperly (this is still a issue today in most emulators, for example lacking certain visuals like shine or other things that emulators are unable to replicate or that the devs of the emulators forgotten about). But I think that DuckStation, RetroArch, ePSXe are some of the best at emulating the look and feel of the old retro PS1 games, although some emulators have difficulties replicating everything to the fullest it's still a job well done from the developers part. They did quite well. Although I consider playing games on original hardware the best option overall, emulating the games on a emulator is the second best option. I use DuckStation and RetroArch personally and it's been great, but each game requires specific settings to be displayed and played correctly, that's the tricky part about it. PS2 and PS3 emulators both have their pros and cons and it's unfortunate Sony did not get the emulation right the first time they designed it for the PS2, but at least they got it right on PS3. Which is awesome. I personally wouldn't enjoy playing these games with any added blur to it, it would just ruin the feel altogether. Internal upscaling is the way to go!
I find it interesting you find the PS2 worse than PS3 when the PS2 has actual PS1 hardware inside to make it much more accurate than PS3 emulation but, to each their own right? :) I do agree overall with your statement that no solution is perfect and actually even real hardware has issues, albeit different from emulation & it shows we live in a world where we the consumer can pick and choose what solution works best for us when it comes to experiencing retro gaming!
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial I guess it depends on the revision of the PS2 consoles, I know of some PS2 consoles that was not able to run certain PS1 games, so there must be something to it? lol. I assume the later PS2 models in the beginning or later on got improved emulation (that's just a assumption). But I played on one of the very first PS2 models and some discs just wouldn't work for some reason, and there was some compatability issues with some games at the time which means the emulation wasn't great at all in the beginning, but that's just from my own experience using the console and there's always a chance a later revision of the PS2 fixed this, just like they always do at Sony. Board revisions and different PS2 console models were constantly changing and updating and upgrading their consoles, so it's a possibility that the emulation was better in the later versions of the PS2 consoles. But I just never got to experience those later revision models to test out, as I did not have a PS2 back then, I just borrowed one of the earlier models in the very beginning and that's where I got to this conclusion. I'm not necessarily saying that the PS2 is bad at emulation, I'm just saying I don't like it as much as the PS3 emulation is slightly better. That's my thoughts on those consoles in regards to emulation. There's always pros and cons to every emulation software, right? 🐱
My PS2 is an early slim model which is considered the best PS2 model & it boasts excellent compatibility :) (Albeit up to 33 games for the PS1 are not supported on this model but, thousands of PS1 games were released so very good xD) Later PS2 models were actually worse, not better for PS1 backwards compatibly, not sure on very early PS2 models but ones made in 2002 onwards are your best bet :) Models made between 2002 and 2005 are recommended in my opinion (Both Fat and slim models :))
The PS2 Slim use emulation to plays ps1 games instead of real hardware like the ps3 but if you use PS2 Fat that use ps1 hardware inside it you will see the improvement! If you like to use original physical games and have a good upscaler and good RGB Scart caple you should use it on real ps1 is best than both ps2 and ps3 in this case!
Only later slims and fat models used emulation for PS1 (My Slim is an earlier model which is considered the best PS2, models from 2006 onwards switched to PS1 emulation, fat models included!) & I actually own a PS1 with xStation built in, a mod that allows the use of SD cards rather than physical disks :) In other words, I'm covered!
@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial I was going to respond to you, but after I read that the fat PS2 uses emulation, I was unable to complete the rest of it due to the horror of the shock. Are you serious?
@@eyeofhelios7830 You misread my response, I said fat & slim models made AFTER 2006 had the chip that allowed near perfect compatibility with PS1 games was removed. They are known as 9000 models :)
Some of those old PS1 games make my eyes bleed! Maybe that's what did my eyesight in, playing games with sharp edges! 😹 I had to put my PS2 away as I was running out of room for all my consoles, so PS3 is a way to go. But seeing how good Duckstation is that'll probably be my way forward now.
I love the look of sharp PS1 games, even today & I enjoy playing the games anywhere or on anything, even Duckstation so I don't blame you for going this route!
Everyone says this but the truth is four cables were supported: RF, Composite, S-Video & RGB SCART & I promise you, play these games on a CRT supporting RGB SCART or S-Video like I did a few months ago & you will not use composite again xD
Everyone has a different taste, I never cared for the CRT look, even as a child & I enjoy the look of the games even on a LCD panel as long as I'm using S-Video cables and above :)
Hope you folks enjoy my updated look at seeing how PS1 games fare on a PS3 Vs a PS2!
Also note, I put PS1 on x settings for the OSSC, meant to put PS2 but oh well! xD
Despite the PS1 being emulation on PS3, the PS3 has the benefit of pure digital sound, resulting in a cleaner, brighter output.
However, the sound balance is off on PS3, with music being lower in volume whereas sound effects are driven too hard :) While most games can adjust volume levels, not all do which could be a concern for certain PS1 games :)
Would be great a comparison between Ps3 running Ps2 games vs Ps2 original, great video 👍
Sadly I don't have a PS3 with backwards compatibility or PS2 games downloaded onto it :)
Maybe with modding it could work but I won't be able to test this for a very long time 🫣
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficialI have a Ps3 slim modded and i play Ps2 games on it, i know its a bit risky, but its safe with some precautions.
Anyway, i'm following u in case u got a Ps3 with BC, great content bro
I've definitely been looking into it & I may give it a try in the future :)
Thank you & maybe someday I can get this mod to work :)
One important thing to note for those who don't know: the downloadable psone classics all have a blur filter baked into them save for a few (like bloody roar 2 which runs at 480i without combing) Just be warned that you'll never get sharp visuals from them. Get the discs or some other solution.
Absolutely spot on :) Couldn't have said it better myself!
What did you do to make ps1 games on Ps3 looking that sharp? 😮On my Ps3 all Ps1 games look noticeable blurrier than on my Ps2 even if i disable the blur filter in the Ps3 menu, also games that use other resolutions than 320x240 doesn´t scale that well. And SFA3 is a 384x224 game, that will certainly show uneven scaling on my Ps3.
I used HDMI at 1080p, I made sure to turn all filters off and use full screen, I used my physical disks (Not downloads, all PS1 downloads have a bilinear filter forced on) that's it really :) Nothing special, although I had use my PAL games being I have a PAL PS3 but, that's how I made PS1 games sharp on PS3 :)
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial That´s weird, i recall even my phisical Ps1 discs not looking that sharp, even at 1080p with all filters off, and some games that use resolutions such as 256x240, or 512x240 didn´t scale very well, even at 480p. I wonder if Pal Ps3s have better Ps1 emulation than my American Ps3, also my Ps3 is the "Super Slim" model.
I sadly don't own an American PS3 so I cannot test the two side by side, not sure if the PAL resolution is making a difference or not as that's the only thing I can think of. My PS3 is the normal slim, not the super slim you own :)
If you mod your PS3 it is possible to correct the combing artifacting.
I had a feeling this was the case & I'm glad it can be fixed albeit not everyone will mod their PS3's :)
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial In a day and age when PSN is on its way out and there really isn't much reason to be concerned with the PS3 being banned, there are only advantages to modding it. ;)
@@TAGMedia7 I mean many people won't don't not because of PSN, but because many people simply will not mod their systems :) I will attempt to as I already have modded systems & because I want the best out of the PS3 :)
How were you able to get such a clear output with the PS3 on Silent Hill? I own the game and even then I get bilinear blurring that can't be turned off, even with Smoothing off on the console. I've heard Greatest Hits versions will sometimes bypass this issue. FF7 does this as well but I was able to work around it with a fan translated version
Everything I used was the disk version :)
I know downloaded versions from the PS store have a forced bilinear filter that cannot be disabled, the disk versions get around this :)
Not all disk games are sharper, some sadly like FF7 still have it forced on for some reason, it is hard to know which games do or don't have it on :)
Screen resolution, that's used by the consoles, becomes kinda irrelevant because the game's actual (internal) resolution is still lower. Besides which you probably know already, PS2 is more preferable since it has PS1 hardware built-in and doesn't use emulation.
Everyone will have a different take & of course, the cables and other things effect which one is best :)
I prefer the PS2 myself but, I use my xStation modded PS1 if I want to enjoy PS1 games to the fullest:)
Hello
Great video!
How can I run PS1 games on a PS3. When I load a PS1 game it seems to think that it is an audio CD?!
Regards
You just put the disk into the PS3, go to where you play downloaded games & the CD 💿 icon will appear & you'll be able to play the game :)
Hi
This sounds straightforward but I cannot see it in my PS3 Slim. Are any add-ons needed?
Regards
I assume that you mean the @PlayStation Network” area?
Do you enter the “PlayStation Store”?
Hmmm no not at all, all PS3's are backwards compatible without add ons or mods :)
I mean the section where you would go to play games :)
Music is great, set up and showing what everything is is good but you gotta take care of 0:59 that no one wants to click on to see someones HPV. Also the Silent Hill looks like how I would think a Silent Hill game would look like in Silent Hill (it hurts mine eyes) Also I think I heard somewhere that the PS3's PS1 emulator was made, bought, or taken from some all ready made (really good) emulator? IDK Thanks for the vid
I checked 0:59 & I don't understand the issue? It's just a shot of the HDMI Splitter I use to show people how I capture HDMI video form the PS3 :)
That is news to me as it has been said for years that Sony made the emulator for PS1 games to work on PS3 unless a third party did it and it hasn't been a widespread fact? No idea :)
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial its not an issue ad it maybe just a callous on your thumb knuckle but if its something you can take care of you may wanna. IDK it looks like a wart. Ain't nobody got time for that.
Its the timing of what you say and showing what you are talking about. I think its pretty good I think others may have trouble understanding kind of a simple shot/' show and tell. I think I may have been mistaken as its prob the emulator on the 360 of the og Xbox. 😅
Right, allow me to explain the "wart".
I had/have a skin condition called Atopic eczema (I'm sure you know what that is) & I've had it since I was a child.
I will not edit it out, I'm not scared or ashamed to show it & I'm certainly proud of having to overcome It from since I was a child. I'm fortunate it no longer itches or affects me the way it had in my childhood.
You may find it disgusting or awful or however you feel but, to say this comment is hurtful & I really hope you apologise for saying this.
You probably didn't realise what the condition was or how it affected me but, please be more sensitive next time.
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial Yeah its not an issue. You are free to do what you wish with your videos. My intent was to give advice. And since HPV /Warts are treatable then I thought I would do you the service to point it out. No harm intended, sorry if it makes you feel a way. I know what warts or a callous are and it looks like one, thats objective. I have seen people show uncut dirty nails, and dirty hands in videos and have pointed it out before. Do not let me get in your way of doing what you want. Im no one, just a person out of 7billion. I think your content is good, brake a leg and have a good week
I appreciate the comment & thank you for understanding:)
Dirty nails & so on I can understand because you can clean up but not so much a long running skin condition :)
Anyway thank you for understanding:)
I think the PS2 emulation was mediocre and the PS3 emulation Sony got it right and made it functional. When it comes to the audio. I think that's just a matter of perspective and the sound equipment you got, if you plug in some retro analog speakers and compare that with digital speakers the difference is night and day, the analog speakers will be full of life in comparison to the dull digital speakers of today. It's just how the sound equipment is designed. However there are digital speakers that outmatch the analog speakers but it's rare. I'd say Harman Kardon sound cards and Grundig CRTs with their built-in audio have the best output for retro games and music production, as they provide more depth and realism to the audio emitted through the speakers aswell as their fine tuned approach to audio.
Overall, it's difficult to say which way is the best way to play PS1 games. Both will have it's draw backs. Emulators often fail to capture all the elements in the game and render them out improperly (this is still a issue today in most emulators, for example lacking certain visuals like shine or other things that emulators are unable to replicate or that the devs of the emulators forgotten about).
But I think that DuckStation, RetroArch, ePSXe are some of the best at emulating the look and feel of the old retro PS1 games, although some emulators have difficulties replicating everything to the fullest it's still a job well done from the developers part. They did quite well.
Although I consider playing games on original hardware the best option overall, emulating the games on a emulator is the second best option. I use DuckStation and RetroArch personally and it's been great, but each game requires specific settings to be displayed and played correctly, that's the tricky part about it.
PS2 and PS3 emulators both have their pros and cons and it's unfortunate Sony did not get the emulation right the first time they designed it for the PS2, but at least they got it right on PS3. Which is awesome. I personally wouldn't enjoy playing these games with any added blur to it, it would just ruin the feel altogether. Internal upscaling is the way to go!
I find it interesting you find the PS2 worse than PS3 when the PS2 has actual PS1 hardware inside to make it much more accurate than PS3 emulation but, to each their own right? :)
I do agree overall with your statement that no solution is perfect and actually even real hardware has issues, albeit different from emulation & it shows we live in a world where we the consumer can pick and choose what solution works best for us when it comes to experiencing retro gaming!
@@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial I guess it depends on the revision of the PS2 consoles, I know of some PS2 consoles that was not able to run certain PS1 games, so there must be something to it? lol.
I assume the later PS2 models in the beginning or later on got improved emulation (that's just a assumption). But I played on one of the very first PS2 models and some discs just wouldn't work for some reason, and there was some compatability issues with some games at the time which means the emulation wasn't great at all in the beginning, but that's just from my own experience using the console and there's always a chance a later revision of the PS2 fixed this, just like they always do at Sony. Board revisions and different PS2 console models were constantly changing and updating and upgrading their consoles, so it's a possibility that the emulation was better in the later versions of the PS2 consoles. But I just never got to experience those later revision models to test out, as I did not have a PS2 back then, I just borrowed one of the earlier models in the very beginning and that's where I got to this conclusion.
I'm not necessarily saying that the PS2 is bad at emulation, I'm just saying I don't like it as much as the PS3 emulation is slightly better. That's my thoughts on those consoles in regards to emulation. There's always pros and cons to every emulation software, right?
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My PS2 is an early slim model which is considered the best PS2 model & it boasts excellent compatibility :) (Albeit up to 33 games for the PS1 are not supported on this model but, thousands of PS1 games were released so very good xD) Later PS2 models were actually worse, not better for PS1 backwards compatibly, not sure on very early PS2 models but ones made in 2002 onwards are your best bet :)
Models made between 2002 and 2005 are recommended in my opinion (Both Fat and slim models :))
The PS2 Slim use emulation to plays ps1 games instead of real hardware like the ps3 but if you use PS2 Fat that use ps1 hardware inside it you will see the improvement!
If you like to use original physical games and have a good upscaler and good RGB Scart caple you should use it on real ps1 is best than both ps2 and ps3 in this case!
Only later slims and fat models used emulation for PS1 (My Slim is an earlier model which is considered the best PS2, models from 2006 onwards switched to PS1 emulation, fat models included!) & I actually own a PS1 with xStation built in, a mod that allows the use of SD cards rather than physical disks :)
In other words, I'm covered!
@AffrosCuriositiesOfficial I was going to respond to you, but after I read that the fat PS2 uses emulation, I was unable to complete the rest of it due to the horror of the shock. Are you serious?
@@eyeofhelios7830 He means slims and phats *after 2006* use emulation. I didnt know they made phats after the slim came out!
@@eyeofhelios7830 You misread my response, I said fat & slim models made AFTER 2006 had the chip that allowed near perfect compatibility with PS1 games was removed. They are known as 9000 models :)
@@Vict0rFrankenstein Thank you!
Some of those old PS1 games make my eyes bleed! Maybe that's what did my eyesight in, playing games with sharp edges! 😹
I had to put my PS2 away as I was running out of room for all my consoles, so PS3 is a way to go. But seeing how good Duckstation is that'll probably be my way forward now.
It's because PS1 games were made to be played using a composite video cable.
@@thomazfarias89 and on crt tvs with scanlines.
I love the look of sharp PS1 games, even today & I enjoy playing the games anywhere or on anything, even Duckstation so I don't blame you for going this route!
Everyone says this but the truth is four cables were supported: RF, Composite, S-Video & RGB SCART & I promise you, play these games on a CRT supporting RGB SCART or S-Video like I did a few months ago & you will not use composite again xD
Everyone has a different taste, I never cared for the CRT look, even as a child & I enjoy the look of the games even on a LCD panel as long as I'm using S-Video cables and above :)