Y’all won’t buy Winchester because they go up 5% to fight inflation, but y’all will buy Aero Precision, DD, Radian, and other brands that have gone up 100-200% on their products since they got popular. Clowns.
Well, right now PSA is struggling to obtain powder for the AAC ammunition line. Cost of powder has almost doubled over the past couple years for reloaders. Businesses can't succeed when operating at a loss.
Saw this on social the other day and i had a huge problem with them not honoring pricing of already placed orders...ive started to evaluate new powders for reloading due to this. I get that a company needs to make money at the same time they had a contract with said person that they are breeching.
Should be doing that regardless. More people need to handload. I know I'm stacking primers and powder deep at the moment, even though I have enough factory ammo in the common chambering's to last me 2-3 years minimum. Even hunting loadings in .30, .338, .243 I'm probably good for 5-10 years. And this is the case with everyone I know that shoots... If Trump wins, I expect to see ammo prices fall as all the disto and retail dealers are sitting on massive amounts of factory ammo, yet the demand has fallen off a cliff since 2022. This letter seems like an attempt to kick panic-buying back in, and a poor attempt at that.
Winchester Ammo is garbage. From bullets improperly seated, to weak ass rounds, to squib loads, I have had some atrocious quality from Winchester Products over these last 6 years or so. "Legendary" my ass!!!
Not long ago there was a bunch of news that lake city stopped shipping to commercial. That turned out to be… a lie. And all the guntubers I called out said I didn’t know what I was talking about. I worked there at the time.
Could be a legit need for the price increase, but the announcement of said increase, as you said, seems entirely designed to drive panic buying. Which historically is when a lot of companys make their most profits, and I think ammo sales in general have been down lately just due to the lack of discretionary funds available to most people in the current economy.
I predict this is just the first shot across the bow. Costs for ALL manufacturers, for ALL products have gone up. How much of that 5-10% will trickle down to the retail level is yet to be seen. It depends on what OTHER manufacturers do. In any case, I do not expect the ammunition industry to be different than anyone else. Imagining that the price of toilet paper, meat, popcorn, tires, gasoline, electricity, and underwear have increased 10-25% and ammunition will not is ridiculous. The BEST thing we can do is to VOTE FOR TRUMP. A Harris Presidency will absolutely cause a HUGE spike in ammunition (and firearm) costs as people hoard ammunition (and guns) against perceived incoming bans or restrictions.
Republicans aren't likely to retain the House. Republicans may flip the Senate, but it looks iffy. There are many neo-cons and RINOs in the Senate GOP who sell out to Democrats (vote for anti-2A laws). Democrats in key swing states are playing games again with mail-in ballots, liberal courts have recently weakened anti voter fraud laws at the state level. The Biden-Harris regime DOJ has sued states from removing noncitizens from the voter rolls. Trump has to have enough legitimate votes to beat the margin of fraud. It will be tough.
If the primary reasons are gunpowder prices are going up and nitrocellulose is a “bottleneck,” why aren’t other ammo manufacturers doing the same thing? Maybe it’s early, but it seems like something they all would have anticipated and also been on top of. Also, being a diehard capitalist doesn’t mean bending over any time a price is raised for no logical or acceptable reason.
There IS a really good kick in the GROIN to Winchester for this. On or about December 15th, CANCEL ALL ORDERS to Winchester ammunition, and LET IT ROT ON THE LOADING DOCKS! After 6 months or so of having DISMAL sales, MAYBE they will get the hint!
I might understand a price increase. Inflation and supply and demand. I do remember, however, that their pricing kind of followed the industry as things fluctuated, so not sure why all of a sudden they need to increase. Also the people who have been waiting on their ammo suddenly own you more money and you assume they are cool with that unless they say otherwise seems a bit sketchy.
Those prices are already up, applied in 2021. None of these companies are selling their ammo at cost/at a loss. If anything the demand is lower than expected and supply is extremely high, meaning we should be seeing an adjustment downward in the coming months, barring another "panic" event.
Honestly... That price increase is pretty well in line with the insane inflation we've been having. I respect that they gave 2 months notice to purchasers and didn't gouge for more money with the shortages on top of the silly inflation we've seen that have caused an increased cost for absolutely everything.
If I buy anything at X price and the company says it's backordered, then my order should be shipped at the price agreed on at the time of purchase. And bet your ass none of those orders will ship until after the increase has taken place. Scumbag move on the part of Winchester
Remember about a year ago when prices were low and suddenly there was a rumor that Winchester was not going to be able to sell 5.56 to civilian customers? Then prices shot up overnight from 40 cents a round to 60 cents a round and have still not gotten back to the 40 cents a round mark. Yeah, I remember that and it was just a rumor with zero basis in reality but it sure helped Winchester make more money. PMC is usually cheaper and shoots about the same.
Sending out price lists months in advance is normal. This is only a bit more than 2 months before it is in effect. It's useful for quoting, especially when it's retroactive. Nothing is worse than having a sudden price increase effective that week dropped on you. Many vendors I've dealt with do this same practice Winchester is doing.
I am competing this weekend with Winchester 10mm for no other reason because it is THE WEAKEST range / target 10mm made currently. Not really something a 10mm load should be touting as “legendary”
I work in the nitric acid and explosives industry. Green markets is a news letter that publishes pricing on acids, ammonia and natural gas. Base ingredients. Nitric acid supply is not tight at all. Research green markets news letters
The only Winchester ammo I buy is AA’s for my box fed open shotgun, it will run regular shells but the AAs are less pliable and more smooth and therefore feed better, if they get too expensive, I’ll just buy something else, BUT, one company raising prices will end up driving the cost for everyone else.
It's been my experience in both avenues, consumer and retailer..whinchester has always been 2-5% higher in cost than other brands...thats why ill only buy it on some mega type sale.
Winchester has no fucking business raising their ammo prices even by 0.0000001% when their ammo is the shittiest quality I’ve ever had the displeasure of purchasing. Every single box of Winchester ammo I’ve ever bought whether that be handgun ammo, 12ga buckshot, or rifle ammo has had some sort of deformity, improper/inconsistent seating, or some sort of corrosion. It burns dirty too and it’s just bottom of the barrel. Even their defender hollow points suck ass. Worse quality control than AAC. EDIT: I take back part of my comment. I have bought a Winchester ammo product that didn’t have some issue with it and it’s their 12GA Super X birdshot. But that doesn’t matter when all their other ammo has issues.
Winchester it garbage in new manufacturing anyway. Can't tell you how many boxes of winchester ammo that have had a round missing, a BULLET missing and loose powder, duds, hang fires, inaccurate, different powder charges. QC is the reason they aren't making money, they are replacing over half my ammo shipments!
Bottom line, these ammo manufacturers beefed up so huge during the pandemic they were sitting on tons and tons of overstock in recent months. Something needed to happen to make things start moving again. The manufactured shortage in key propellant ingredients is a good start. Powders are expensive as heck now. Guys, Curt, this is the first ever election cycle that I've ever seen where the over supply of firearms and ammo was HUGE. Sales are so slow these guys are feeling huge pain. This is a total outlier no one in that business ever expected given the nature of this years election. The crappy economy even with bargain basement prices wasn't enough. Now these clowns at WInchester are trying to manufacture a crisis that doesn't exist. I think Winchester ammo is GARBAGE across the board and haven't bought a single round of their crap in 10 years. Winchester White Box for example, I've had better luck and reliability from TulAmmo in center fire pistol rounds, no BS. Raise all you want Winny, I still ain't buying what you're selling. This is just one humble opinion. Ifyou like their stuff have at it. CHINA cut off shipments of nitrocellulose in August along with antimony. Two key components in ammo manufacturing. Thanks Curtis for the update
Yeah, that part is not normal business procedure. Combine that with the shifty, low-res letter head logo's, and I smell a fake. Plus, where's the Olin logo?! Everything official I've seen from Winchester over the last decade+ has Olin on it.
If all ammo starts to go up again then all ammo is overpriced. Just get what you can get and hoard it lol. Anyway, I just buy whatever is fairly cheap I dont care, im not brand loyal. I normally wont go out of my way to find the cheapest I can though. For range ammo I like blazer or S&B its cheap and just runs in 9mm pistols.
I'll agree with you on the fact that Winchester ammo is trash; the white box fmj. I've had nothing but good results with their hollow point handgun ammunition; specifically PDX1 and Ranger T series.
@@dancingdragon273 They've had the LC contract for 5+ years. Now that they're the last major ammo producer still owned by an American company, they'll probably never lose the LC contract. Unless Hornady is big enough these days they can handle it.
@@Franimus gotcha. That part might be fair enough. My frustration with backorders is all the companies are focusing on ammo instead of reloading components because the demand and prices are up they'll make more
I didn't know their shotguns are Turkish... I thought all Winchester arms were made in Japan. Maybe that's just their higher-end offerings (and it is good; the Japanese don't make trash like other Asian countries)
I thought Winchester went bellyup & someone was payin royaltys for the name,(browning) .once they put safetys on model 94 levers (92) i quit that company.🖕 Em.....
Winchester has always been the ammo that had problem for me and friends I've seen it over and over. 9mm didnt go off winchester. would get stuck in the chamber? Thats 12 ga universal birdshot. Federal >winchester every single time
The quality of the Win and Browning logo's seem really low res, like someone pulled them off Google images and upscaled. That alone is suspicious to me. My guess is this is some shifty distributor that has been stuck with pallets of ammo they can't sell, praying they can kick panic buying into the scene again. I don't see it happening... Everyone I know in the retail side says they have more ammo than they know what to do with. If anything we're going to be seeing price decreases if Trump wins. Seems like everyone is comfortable with the ammo levels they have, unlike in 2020.
@@Franimus MS Word will catch typo's and mis-spellings, and modern printers don't degrade quality like old Xerox machines (especially when digitally scanned). Plus, no Olin logo's? That's the company that would be instituting this, not a Collab between Win and Browning, the companies under Olin... Idk. This just looks like the letter head someone would throw together to fool people in my eyes. Another really odd aspect: they aren't going to honor previous contract prices?! That's a great way to get sued, and the kind of thing any corporate attorney worth their salt would advice against. Idk, just seems fake to me.
Oh ... Anti capitalist for wanting the cost to say the same on orders they already put in? Lol ..I dont see this as entitled I see that as keeping your word ..and new orders charge what you want but if you don't see the issue makes me wonder big time
I've never had any more problems with Winchester than any of the other big boys like Remington or Federal. Might give Federal the edge, then Win, then Remington. Hornandy beats them all in terms of quality, but they cost more so they can fund their regarded marketing shenanigans, lol
Your screed about capitalism is fine. But capitalisms economic adjustments only seems to be accepted and happening when you are a corporate entity. Is this going to help out the Winchester workforce? Unlikely other than make up some story about how jobs will be kept. So when you rush to defense of 'capitalism' and besmudge peoples honest reaction to this makes you sound shrilly. YMMV
I would call Winchester white box “infamous” not legendary.
rememeber when they said covid prices would drop back to normal?
pepperage farm remembers
Firearms got even cheaper than pre covid. Ammo never even got close except for some cheap garbage 22
@@TheRange7 good point. The firearms themselves are reasonable, but ammo is still high.
@xRyden420x
Something we should all repeat sir.
Y’all won’t buy Winchester because they go up 5% to fight inflation, but y’all will buy Aero Precision, DD, Radian, and other brands that have gone up 100-200% on their products since they got popular. Clowns.
My last gun was 36$ more then my new one 4 years later try shopping online ..every site now runs a sale for earth day or some holiday and 18% off lol
They raised their prices to pay for the research ,development and tooling for the.21 rim fire
You’re making up numbers just like Winchester makes up justification for the price increase.
@@Hornet135 Found the clown.
@@IconTactical One can think that Winchester is full of crap and also not buy any of the brands mentioned.
Winchester and Remington ammo have always been in competition for which is the worst domestic ammo. QC is AWFUL.
I don't buy either.
I’ve not had any issues with Winchester ammo. In fact some of my favorites are from Winchester. Like their m193 and sg9w loadings.
Well, right now PSA is struggling to obtain powder for the AAC ammunition line. Cost of powder has almost doubled over the past couple years for reloaders. Businesses can't succeed when operating at a loss.
They’re not close to operating at a loss.
Didn't Obama sign something that made creating nitrocellulose more expensive and slowed down the process?
Wouldn't doubt it. He also shut down our only lead mine. Now all of our lead is imported (not like that could be a problem in WWIII, lol)
@@mfallen2023 The last batch out powder I bought was definitely not what I would call cheap.
IIRC, Winchester and others have raised prices multiple times over the last 6 years.
Winchester ammo prices are always all over the place. Litterally makes 0 sense
Hey TH-cam....G.F.Y!
Get "f"ing yeeted...,
I don't get it?!?🤷♀️
Uh ok got it, was not in personal license plate figuring out mode.
Correction...it's GFYS..
There are 2A advocates and 2A Advantagest.
Saw this on social the other day and i had a huge problem with them not honoring pricing of already placed orders...ive started to evaluate new powders for reloading due to this. I get that a company needs to make money at the same time they had a contract with said person that they are breeching.
Should be doing that regardless. More people need to handload. I know I'm stacking primers and powder deep at the moment, even though I have enough factory ammo in the common chambering's to last me 2-3 years minimum. Even hunting loadings in .30, .338, .243 I'm probably good for 5-10 years. And this is the case with everyone I know that shoots... If Trump wins, I expect to see ammo prices fall as all the disto and retail dealers are sitting on massive amounts of factory ammo, yet the demand has fallen off a cliff since 2022.
This letter seems like an attempt to kick panic-buying back in, and a poor attempt at that.
Winchester Ammo is garbage. From bullets improperly seated, to weak ass rounds, to squib loads, I have had some atrocious quality from Winchester Products over these last 6 years or so. "Legendary" my ass!!!
Not long ago there was a bunch of news that lake city stopped shipping to commercial. That turned out to be… a lie. And all the guntubers I called out said I didn’t know what I was talking about. I worked there at the time.
Could be a legit need for the price increase, but the announcement of said increase, as you said, seems entirely designed to drive panic buying.
Which historically is when a lot of companys make their most profits, and I think ammo sales in general have been down lately just due to the lack of discretionary funds available to most people in the current economy.
But the 'announcement' was leaked by distributors, not by Winchester. So WHO is driving panic buying? Winchester? Or distributors/retailers?
@@garyK.45ACP ¿Por qué no los dos? (Why not both 😝)
@@kc8omg Dado que el documento se envió a distribuidores, no estaba destinado a minoristas ni consumidores.
I predict this is just the first shot across the bow.
Costs for ALL manufacturers, for ALL products have gone up. How much of that 5-10% will trickle down to the retail level is yet to be seen. It depends on what OTHER manufacturers do.
In any case, I do not expect the ammunition industry to be different than anyone else.
Imagining that the price of toilet paper, meat, popcorn, tires, gasoline, electricity, and underwear have increased 10-25% and ammunition will not is ridiculous.
The BEST thing we can do is to VOTE FOR TRUMP. A Harris Presidency will absolutely cause a HUGE spike in ammunition (and firearm) costs as people hoard ammunition (and guns) against perceived incoming bans or restrictions.
Republicans aren't likely to retain the House. Republicans may flip the Senate, but it looks iffy. There are many neo-cons and RINOs in the Senate GOP who sell out to Democrats (vote for anti-2A laws). Democrats in key swing states are playing games again with mail-in ballots, liberal courts have recently weakened anti voter fraud laws at the state level. The Biden-Harris regime DOJ has sued states from removing noncitizens from the voter rolls. Trump has to have enough legitimate votes to beat the margin of fraud. It will be tough.
The only Winchester product I use is my grandfather's 100 year old rifle I inherited from him.
Reloaders are feeling the pain of no gun powder too.
California just tacked on an 11% firearms and ammo Tax on top of everything
Stop voting for Democrats
If the primary reasons are gunpowder prices are going up and nitrocellulose is a “bottleneck,” why aren’t other ammo manufacturers doing the same thing? Maybe it’s early, but it seems like something they all would have anticipated and also been on top of. Also, being a diehard capitalist doesn’t mean bending over any time a price is raised for no logical or acceptable reason.
There IS a really good kick in the GROIN to Winchester for this. On or about December 15th, CANCEL ALL ORDERS to Winchester ammunition, and LET IT ROT ON THE LOADING DOCKS! After 6 months or so of having DISMAL sales, MAYBE they will get the hint!
I might understand a price increase. Inflation and supply and demand. I do remember, however, that their pricing kind of followed the industry as things fluctuated, so not sure why all of a sudden they need to increase. Also the people who have been waiting on their ammo suddenly own you more money and you assume they are cool with that unless they say otherwise seems a bit sketchy.
Looks like they are opening the door wider for Igman, S&B, AAC etc..
The price of everything is up. Why should Winchester eat the cost. No one else is. The consumer will have to pay or no freedom seeds.
Those prices are already up, applied in 2021. None of these companies are selling their ammo at cost/at a loss. If anything the demand is lower than expected and supply is extremely high, meaning we should be seeing an adjustment downward in the coming months, barring another "panic" event.
@@mfallen2023 There is ZERO demand...de notta
Honestly... That price increase is pretty well in line with the insane inflation we've been having. I respect that they gave 2 months notice to purchasers and didn't gouge for more money with the shortages on top of the silly inflation we've seen that have caused an increased cost for absolutely everything.
Is it the “My precious,” Winchester version?🤔
If I buy anything at X price and the company says it's backordered, then my order should be shipped at the price agreed on at the time of purchase. And bet your ass none of those orders will ship until after the increase has taken place. Scumbag move on the part of Winchester
Rethink the phrase, "I use their meat sticks."
😂
First my taxes and know my ammo. I ain’t about that life.
Remeber boys “price ratchets one way”
I’ll never forget the vista ceo saying that proudly during covid times
Remember about a year ago when prices were low and suddenly there was a rumor that Winchester was not going to be able to sell 5.56 to civilian customers? Then prices shot up overnight from 40 cents a round to 60 cents a round and have still not gotten back to the 40 cents a round mark. Yeah, I remember that and it was just a rumor with zero basis in reality but it sure helped Winchester make more money. PMC is usually cheaper and shoots about the same.
Sending out price lists months in advance is normal. This is only a bit more than 2 months before it is in effect. It's useful for quoting, especially when it's retroactive. Nothing is worse than having a sudden price increase effective that week dropped on you. Many vendors I've dealt with do this same practice Winchester is doing.
IDK about your area but just as soon as they got the Lake City deal prices went up here.
I am competing this weekend with Winchester 10mm for no other reason because it is THE WEAKEST range / target 10mm made currently.
Not really something a 10mm load should be touting as “legendary”
Winchester raised prices twice last year
I work in the nitric acid and explosives industry. Green markets is a news letter that publishes pricing on acids, ammonia and natural gas. Base ingredients. Nitric acid supply is not tight at all. Research green markets news letters
The only Winchester ammo I buy is AA’s for my box fed open shotgun, it will run regular shells but the AAs are less pliable and more smooth and therefore feed better, if they get too expensive, I’ll just buy something else, BUT, one company raising prices will end up driving the cost for everyone else.
Maybe they plan to use the price gouge to hire their first QC employee.
It's been my experience in both avenues, consumer and retailer..whinchester has always been 2-5% higher in cost than other brands...thats why ill only buy it on some mega type sale.
Thank you Sir
as some that has worked for winchester before they're raising prices just cause their greedy and want more money.
That letter is vitrually identical to the one posted last year.
Sooo will they be using the extra money to expand their production and reduce backorders?
Winchester has no fucking business raising their ammo prices even by 0.0000001% when their ammo is the shittiest quality I’ve ever had the displeasure of purchasing. Every single box of Winchester ammo I’ve ever bought whether that be handgun ammo, 12ga buckshot, or rifle ammo has had some sort of deformity, improper/inconsistent seating, or some sort of corrosion. It burns dirty too and it’s just bottom of the barrel. Even their defender hollow points suck ass. Worse quality control than AAC.
EDIT: I take back part of my comment. I have bought a Winchester ammo product that didn’t have some issue with it and it’s their 12GA Super X birdshot. But that doesn’t matter when all their other ammo has issues.
Winchester it garbage in new manufacturing anyway. Can't tell you how many boxes of winchester ammo that have had a round missing, a BULLET missing and loose powder, duds, hang fires, inaccurate, different powder charges. QC is the reason they aren't making money, they are replacing over half my ammo shipments!
Bottom line, these ammo manufacturers beefed up so huge during the pandemic they were sitting on tons and tons of overstock in recent months. Something needed to happen to make things start moving again. The manufactured shortage in key propellant ingredients is a good start. Powders are expensive as heck now. Guys, Curt, this is the first ever election cycle that I've ever seen where the over supply of firearms and ammo was HUGE. Sales are so slow these guys are feeling huge pain. This is a total outlier no one in that business ever expected given the nature of this years election. The crappy economy even with bargain basement prices wasn't enough. Now these clowns at WInchester are trying to manufacture a crisis that doesn't exist. I think Winchester ammo is GARBAGE across the board and haven't bought a single round of their crap in 10 years. Winchester White Box for example, I've had better luck and reliability from TulAmmo in center fire pistol rounds, no BS. Raise all you want Winny, I still ain't buying what you're selling. This is just one humble opinion. Ifyou like their stuff have at it. CHINA cut off shipments of nitrocellulose in August along with antimony. Two key components in ammo manufacturing. Thanks Curtis for the update
Isn’t Winchester legendary for blowing up firearms with shitty ammo?
Bottom of the barrel white box will be even more expensive
My groceries have gone up more than ammo... Cheaper to yeet lead than cucumbers atm...
Winchester. We give you less bang for the dollar…
Remember their "legendary" USA Steel ammo? Yeah, you forgot because it was garbage.
I canceled a $700+ order with them. I also made sure none of my other orders from other bulk ammo companies have Winchester ammo in them.
Pretty sure raising prices upon delivery is illegal
Yeah, that part is not normal business procedure. Combine that with the shifty, low-res letter head logo's, and I smell a fake. Plus, where's the Olin logo?! Everything official I've seen from Winchester over the last decade+ has Olin on it.
Don’t have great luck with their 9mm, their rifle ammunition for me has worked 💯
Just don’t buy from them. Buy cheaper options.
Who buys Winchester's crappy ammo anyway? It has always sucked.
Sooooooo what does it cost Winchester to produce a round of ammo?
Guess I'll just be buying AAC
As long as it’s not 55gr.
You imagine other manufacturers won't raise their prices? Why?
@@garyK.45ACP He is a PSA fanboi lmao
Yeah seems the way !! 77 grain are 10.99 a box is hard to beat
@@sleigh4019 check the OAL - make sure it's in spec.
If all ammo starts to go up again then all ammo is overpriced. Just get what you can get and hoard it lol.
Anyway, I just buy whatever is fairly cheap I dont care, im not brand loyal.
I normally wont go out of my way to find the cheapest I can though.
For range ammo I like blazer or S&B its cheap and just runs in 9mm pistols.
Since 2A is a right maybe the government should subsidize ammunition 😊
A limited liability said that?
Your comment on "not the best" and Replaceable is 100% on target!!..
How long do you think before we transition to energy based systems available to the public👀
I'll agree with you on the fact that Winchester ammo is trash; the white box fmj. I've had nothing but good results with their hollow point handgun ammunition; specifically PDX1 and Ranger T series.
AAC for the win.
I don't understand what all the complaining is about, they are raising prices and they gave plenty of notice and it's not that much price increase
I think part of the problem is affecting existing back orders
Didn't winchester get the lake city contract?
@@dancingdragon273 They've had the LC contract for 5+ years. Now that they're the last major ammo producer still owned by an American company, they'll probably never lose the LC contract. Unless Hornady is big enough these days they can handle it.
@@Franimus gotcha. That part might be fair enough. My frustration with backorders is all the companies are focusing on ammo instead of reloading components because the demand and prices are up they'll make more
Good bye Winchester 👋
the price going up from time to time due to inflation is one thing. The price skyrocketing because of an illness is another. Gouging is bad, mkay.
“Capitalism is America “
Not all legends are good, WWB is legendarily bad.
Agreed 👍
Winchester as in turkish shotgun winchester? 😅😅😅
Yeah, no kidding. My SXP is Turkish.😢
Runs great, but still.......
The Ammo division has stayed American unlike the firearms division which was long ago sold off to some forign company.
I didn't know their shotguns are Turkish... I thought all Winchester arms were made in Japan. Maybe that's just their higher-end offerings (and it is good; the Japanese don't make trash like other Asian countries)
@mfallen2023 yeah, my shotgun says made in Istanbul. I think their lever guns are Japanese.
I thought Winchester went bellyup & someone was payin royaltys for the name,(browning) .once they put safetys on model 94 levers (92) i quit that company.🖕 Em.....
The Ammo division has stayed American unlike the firearms division which was long ago sold off to some forign company.
@@PatriotPaulUSA their rimfire ammo stick sucks.. lotta duds even on browning brand( same stuff)
Winchester has always been the ammo that had problem for me and friends I've seen it over and over. 9mm didnt go off winchester. would get stuck in the chamber? Thats 12 ga universal birdshot. Federal >winchester every single time
What? Could you rephrase that?
The quality of the Win and Browning logo's seem really low res, like someone pulled them off Google images and upscaled. That alone is suspicious to me. My guess is this is some shifty distributor that has been stuck with pallets of ammo they can't sell, praying they can kick panic buying into the scene again.
I don't see it happening... Everyone I know in the retail side says they have more ammo than they know what to do with. If anything we're going to be seeing price decreases if Trump wins. Seems like everyone is comfortable with the ammo levels they have, unlike in 2020.
I didn't happen to catch any typos though, and the quality could be due to screenshotting or scanning
@@Franimus MS Word will catch typo's and mis-spellings, and modern printers don't degrade quality like old Xerox machines (especially when digitally scanned). Plus, no Olin logo's? That's the company that would be instituting this, not a Collab between Win and Browning, the companies under Olin... Idk. This just looks like the letter head someone would throw together to fool people in my eyes.
Another really odd aspect: they aren't going to honor previous contract prices?! That's a great way to get sued, and the kind of thing any corporate attorney worth their salt would advice against.
Idk, just seems fake to me.
@@mfallen2023 great points to consider, thanks!
I’m with you Jordan. AAC, or any other company.
AAC needs to do better with QC
AAC and other companies will also raise their prices. Their costs have gone up also.
@@Enjoyer.762 They've done fine after that first year.
AAC is hard to get because of a powder shortage.
@TisiphonesShadow They haven't. Bullets are not seated properly. Cases too long. There have been too many issues.
Lose-chester. Won't confront me much. They're usually the highest priced ammo in my area. Fortunately mine is usually packaged as farm supplies.
Wait. Isn’t that capitalism?
Oh ... Anti capitalist for wanting the cost to say the same on orders they already put in? Lol ..I dont see this as entitled I see that as keeping your word ..and new orders charge what you want but if you don't see the issue makes me wonder big time
We are capitalists, yeah?
Wholly replaceable lmbo
🤦🏻♂️
Kamala's election party price increase
New you had monkey poxs !!!
Raises hand
I'm thinking they are being told by big government to increase our prices or they'll lose the comfy contracts.
For one reason or another.
Their ammo is iffy anyway
I've never had any more problems with Winchester than any of the other big boys like Remington or Federal. Might give Federal the edge, then Win, then Remington.
Hornandy beats them all in terms of quality, but they cost more so they can fund their regarded marketing shenanigans, lol
Your screed about capitalism is fine. But capitalisms economic adjustments only seems to be accepted and happening when you are a corporate entity. Is this going to help out the Winchester workforce? Unlikely other than make up some story about how jobs will be kept. So when you rush to defense of 'capitalism' and besmudge peoples honest reaction to this makes you sound shrilly. YMMV
Who the hell shoots winchester ammo? Stuff is shit...
Well, a Federal 38spcl target load blew up my Colt Cobra, and Federal told me "tough shit". Federal sucks AND is crooked.
I don't use Winchester or browning ammo. Sounds like they are earning their way towards a bud light scheme.
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