Comparing Ludwig Supraphonic (1968), Black Beauty (2018) & Acrolite (1978) Snares
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Shootout: Three popular Aluminium and Brass 5" x 14" Ludwig Snare in direct comparison. We compared two vintage snares with one modern Black Beauty model. All Snares are fitted with Coated Ambassador Batter and Canopus Vintage Snare Wires. Which one is your favorite?
Video / Performance: Alex Höffken
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this is a well done comparison.....short duration and like riffs between drums...sonic memory works best with short duration...and got right to it without telling life's story.
Man, they all sound the great. I like the Supraphonic, then the Acrolite, then the BB.
I love my acrolite but I really need a Black Beauty in my life.
I've used a 1966 Acrolite for over 15 years and to be honest I don't hear anything all that different to drive me to purchase the more expensive Ludwig snare drums
Black Beauty, no match
can we just take a minute and admire that finish on the bass drum and floor tom...
Haha, thank you. Yes, it's great and they sound so good.
alexhoeffken
Very rare seeing something so unusual these days.
Well done.
Reminds me of “The Starry Night” Van Gogh painting.
Ugh ... you like it?
The Black Beauty has the most presence and body to my ear. The Supra falls off a step with the Acrolite a step off of the Supra, which are both drier. Having said that, they are all nice snares. It just depends on what you're going for. I own an 81 Black Beauty and 70s Acrolite. They both record well and mix well with other instruments.
I love the Black Beauty and Supraphonic. The Supraphonic shines in low tuning in this recording, but the BB kicks it in the medium and high tuning to my ears. All fantastic snares none the less ;) Thanks for making this.
Thanks for watching!
Black Beauty
They all rule. Black Beauty really shines more in the context of a band.
A bit hard to tell because the player uses a lot of rim shot and this provides a bit more uneven tone with a small sample size. These are three tremendous snare drums. I own two of them (a 1969 5 x 14 Supraphonic and a 1993 hand hammer tub lug 6 1/2 x 14 Black Beauty). I practice on a 1975 5 x 14 Acrolite pretty frequently. I would say the Supra is the most versatile (and my 69 still has the keystone badge with Imperial lugs...I think it is the prettiest combination). The Black Beauty the most unique and the Acro gives you much of their tone at a fraction of the cost. Fantastic, all....
Excellent comparison thanks a lot!
Supraphonic win
It's really hard to tell one from another on low tuning.
Also mir gefällt die Black Beauty am Besten.
I thought it all came down to preference until the high tuning. At high tuning it was the black beauty. Made the others sound bad at high tuning
So true.
Totally agree. Aluminium tends to sound choked when tuned high.
I have two black galaxies and two acrolytes I have no black beauties or supraphonics. But got two ss Ludwig’s in almost mint condition
I know the BB is the more expensive snare, and sounds great. There's just something magical about the Supra 6.5. I have a decent collection of good snares, and I'll fall in love with one for a bit. I just keep going back to that Supra
🎶 £udwig Black Beauty is very pretty ``👌
A black beauty is my dream snare. Superphonic reminds me of John bonham. I own a ,90s acralite. And it's such a well rounded snare for the price.
In medium tuning, acrolite stays behind from the other two.
The acrolite has the most fat sound ❤
Beauty has the warmth and tone but the supra cuts the best and is louder. The acrolite is to mushy sounding for me.
Cool video. Love the sounds of the BB on high, acro on medium, and supra on low tunings. Each seems to be it's own beast.
The SUPRA seems to be the driest sound.
High tuning:
1. Black Beauty
2. Acrolite
3. Supra
Medium tuning:
1. Black Beauty
2. Supra
3. Acrolite
Low tuning:
1. Supra
2. Black Beauty
3. Acrolite
I broke out the studio isolation headphones for this one and went through the video about 5 times most of it with eyes closed trying to take as much bias out as I could. Well Done!! Thanks for this excellent comparison.
It's the Black Beauty for me. To my ears, the Supraphonic sounds too metallic by comparison. And the Acrolite just isn't my taste at all. I used to have a Black Beauty in the 90s but sold it after only a few months-I hated the throwoff. But now I miss the sound.
Greg Thomas thanks for watching!
Thanks for making the video!
Greg Thomas what throw off was on it?
I don't know Ludwig snares very well-and knew even less then. But looking at pictures now, I'm thinking it was a P85? The tension knob would always unscrew as I was playing. I had to retighten like every song. The other thing was that the drum didn't quite fit with my maple DW kit. It was louder and just sounded like a different instrument. But... on its own and recorded, it sounded great. And I miss it.
Greg Thomas ahh ok. I own the Supraphonic. It's my favorite. It has a very wide tuning range. You need to get one!
I like the fat sound of acrolite better
I’ve owned a BB, and an Acro, liked ‘em both, but give the edge to the Supra.
Yeah I have used the same black beauty 6.5 for 20 years but just recently tried an acrolite 5" in rehearsal -- just tapping it too - nowt special in the room -- but damn it on the recordings it sounds great !! Really fat but crisp cut thru. BB would kick it's puny butt live .. but in a recording I'm not so sure. Anyone else find this ?
Exactly
It’s about the mix and how frequency masks and blends
SUPRA on high tuning..👍🏿
Hmm. Acrolite is the cheapest snare drum, sounds the best, and is the most versatile. This is why i'll never get rid of mine. Every other major drum company has tried to make their own "acrolite", but can never achieve that distinct tone and sound. Acrolite is by far the best..
Bought 5" BB. Two weeks later found old Acrolite on ebay. $75. Cdn with original hard case. Took me a couple days to admit to myself Acro was my favorite snare. I didn't need the new, full price Black beauty
Rhythmista It’s a good drum but it’s doesn’t sound “better”.....just different. I’ll take the Black Beauty or the Supraphonic.
No and no but it's still a great value snare.
@@portley777 Why be so elitist? If you put 1/4 of an O ring on that BB it would have the same chance as the newer drum. With the proper head we could make all three drums sound virtually identical. Again .....neither is better. They're all simply.....different.
Restoring my 64 acro!!! I can't wait to assemble her, I got Vic Firth vintage snappy 20 strand, Fat Cat 24 dual adjustable snares, Puresound custom pro 24, and Puresound super 30 snares. Can't wait to see how she responds to the different wires!
I can't decide but good video
Very cool idea! Nicely made too :)
Thanks!
I think the BB has the best voice in this comparison. The Supra seems a bit too bright for my liking. The Acro was a nice dry note, with a bit lower fundamental. For the $300 price difference between he BB and the Acro... I'd go Acrolite all day. I'm still a little bummed at Ludwig for maintaining the cheap feeling P85 throw-off on these. When you're paying $700+ for a Black Beauty... it should come with a throw-off that costs more than $20. It's a real bummer and a slap in the face of the consumer, when Ludwig continues to keep this garbage on their high end drums.
Black Beauty 2018 seems like a joke comparing to other two. I prefer Acrolite over Supraphonic in general but your Supraphonic sounds better than Acrolite. I also I have an impression that in the low tuning you tuned Acrolite a bit higher than Supraphonic.
Acrolite all the way!
Danke für deinen Kommentar!
Supraphonic
Black beauty is best, Supraphonic is good, Acrolite doesn't cut it. I have a 1965 Acrolite, first drum I ever owned, it was okay for a beginner but the sound and feel weren't anything like any of the higher-end drums. I eventually replaced it with a Yamaha Recording Custom steel shell. I'm kind of surprised at the recent enthusiasm for Acrolites.
They are great affordable snares that tune and record well
Have you not been witnessing the at home recording revolution 🤣
All love
But seriously don’t go listen to super secret band from pdx
They’re totally not cool 🤫🤫🤫
Very good comparison. The Black Beauty is a very pleasure to hear, Supraphonic is too boxy sounding for me, and Acrolite is the right balance between crispy attack and dry body sound. IMO
Is it the gorgeous "Omnitronic Ribbon Mic" you use as "Wurst" over the kick drum? ;-)
Black beauty, Supraphonic in that order. But it’s close between the two. Tuning could make choice between the two a toughy. Acrolite not in the same zip code. Just my 2 cent ears opinion.
Supraphonic and BB do both well. Acrolite I feel is not the same level. Would like to also hear a 6,5" depth. And comparison to bell brass snares like the one from Gretch and some from DW
Thought the BB sounded the best overall but I am REALLY wanting an Acrolite to replace the one I lost as a kid, and that dry sound is very unique IMO.
Just a little different
geil!
Welches Over the kick mic ist das?Das Thomann Modell? ;)
VG
I actually prefer the Ludwig COB and Bronze to all three of these.
Not taking away from the amazingness of the snares, but what is the crash your using? Sounds phenomenal.
Hey, great video. Recently I got a snare it says (on the badge) Ludwig drum co. Chicago USA the number is: 3141018. What year is it made? What model is it? Can you help me with that? I'm new with Ludwig. Oh, almost forget is a snare drum 14x6.5. thanks!!!
Check this out: www.ludwig-drums.com/en-us/ludwig/serial-guide
Black Beauty 100 times out of 100. And I'm a devoted Bonzo-head, so that's saying a lot.
Acro.
Buen video y buenas las cajas.
Primer comentario...!! 😎
Thanks for watching! Mucho Gracias! :-)
that time when your Acro sounds as good as your Supra
SUPRA....and cheaper than the BB.
So you're basically telling me need the three of them, supra for low tuning, acto for medium and black B for high tuning.
Yes, although youd likely want to switch the places on the acro and supra. The acro isn't tuned low enough on this video, but just generally sounds better, drier and fatter than the supra for low stuff. The supra sounds less focused, less dry and more "open", which sounds much better in medium tunings than in the low tunings where the super focused and studio friendly acro shines :)
Thanks for this video
They all sound very much the same. Really chocked in the high tuning. That said, you’ll never go wrong buying any of these.
Supraphonic and BB !
would have appreciated a label to indicate which of the chrome drums was which.
The chrome snare is the Supraphonic, aluminium one is the Acrolite, and the dark one is the Black Beauty.
Two of my staples🖤
Supra wins
Love that BB with low tuning!
The black beauty has such a beautiful, warm, balanced chime. I like the brightness of the supraphonic, I like it so much that I own one. The acrolite here was the loser but that’s to be expected as it’s the cheapest. Still beats other drums on the market.
Also check our latest Black Beauty video: th-cam.com/video/YM_ZevP8W6Q/w-d-xo.html
Can someone tell me what the sizes are?
They're all 5" x 14"
Black beauty wins...
Excellent vid Ty
SUPRAPHONIC !!!
Acro sounds like a wood log.
i think that's due to the 8 lugs, it allows the attack to have a really fat attack
Supra just ahead of the Black Beauty.
The Acro was a distant third....sounds a bit washy and dead.
Very flashy kit...
The Acrolite sounds cheap and nasty against the other two.
This is the best comparison of these 3 drums I've heard. You can really hear the subtle differences..... nicely done
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The acrolite is like the youngest sibling trying so hard to be like the older ones, but fails miserably
are you deaf?
Acrolite is a POS - Black Beauty and Supraphonic are both great snares.