The Row Margaux Unboxing

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  • @justinejacey4638
    @justinejacey4638 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I prefer the Margaux over the Birkin. Also can’t imagine carrying a bag worth 20k on the regular

    • @pretaporterp
      @pretaporterp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I feel the same. It's not so much what I spent, it's that now many know the value of these bags that would make me wary of when/where I carry it

    • @jess_stensrud
      @jess_stensrud 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same. I love my Margaux. ❤

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Fair point! I 3500 vs 20,000 (depending on the colour/leather) preloved is a huge jump. Thank you for watching♥️

    • @Alushforluxe
      @Alushforluxe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Honestly I want the Margaux bc I want something not as recognizable that I can wear every day. I know it’s all over TikTok but the birkin has such recognition now it can be uncomfortable sometimes.

  • @francinethomas7762
    @francinethomas7762 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Stunning! Bravo🎉! Great choice, on size and style of bag. Margaux was destined for your collection.Thanks for sharing.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Francine❤

  • @luxpetite
    @luxpetite 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations Mary! Such a great addition to your amazing collection. The black and grained leather looks so chic and functional. Love this beautiful! 🤎😘

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes! So hearty and delicious in the grain❤️

  • @user-kd5tc7xx5i
    @user-kd5tc7xx5i 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love KKUWAN the way you show it! You really focus on showing off the bag. I don't think any other TH-camr can show off bags in as much detail as you.

  • @MollyFrey-zr3vy
    @MollyFrey-zr3vy หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you dear for taking us along. Can't wait what the @ *LVGUCI* queen picked up at Fendi

  • @altacostura3512
    @altacostura3512 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Congratulations! What a nice way to start 2024! :) And yes, peace of mind about authenticity is everything.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes!! At this price point and the limited sellers I would rather just go to the source than preloved. Thank you so much for watching❤

  • @lelasophia
    @lelasophia 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!! Omg as always I just lit up with joy for you 😍😍😍😍😍 this size/color/leather is truly perfection on you, and how literally perfect is it together with the Sofia 🖤
    You were so incredibly thoughtful with this purchase, and truly filled the absolute perfect size/shape/color void. It’s perfection 🩶

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yess!! So glad to have thought it through♥️ I was so set on the 15, then the 12 but it was the 10 that would be the one that would add something new to my collection. Thank you so much for watching🙏🙏🙏

  • @nlee7743
    @nlee7743 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Congratulations. It’s a beautiful bag. This is the one I’m looking at as well. Will wait to hear your first impressions.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Will have a first impressions video coming. Thank you for watching♥️♥️♥️

  • @emk6117
    @emk6117 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So happy for you! It looks like a wonderful addition.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much♥️♥️♥️

  • @user-vi1vi8sx6b
    @user-vi1vi8sx6b 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The variety of textures in the uzbagx pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.

  • @Lucretciela
    @Lucretciela 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oh wow, you finally got it. It is GORGEOUS! You'll be using that bag for a long, long time. I want the 17, smooth in brown so bad, but I've spent so much on myself lately, so I just can't bring myself to make the purchase.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I feel you! In the end this bag is a classic for the brand at this point, so there is no rush. I waited and debated for some time, and then sold off some items to make it happen. But I was fine taking my time because I knew this was going to be there. Thank you for watching♥️

  • @birkinboy3976
    @birkinboy3976 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Mary, congrats on your new beauty it’s stunning and looks larger on your frame I think you made the perfect decision.💚💚💚💚

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes I wish I could pull off the Margaux 15, but its even bigger than the 35, which already feels massive. The 10 is the right fit. Thank you for watching♥️♥️♥️

  • @marissat9953
    @marissat9953 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Beautiful bag! I was wavering between the 10 and 15...I think the strap on the 10 sold me on the size. Thank you for sharing!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohh yes the strap is a gamechanger. Thank you for watching♥️

  • @SerenaWang1123
    @SerenaWang1123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just unboxed my Margaux 10 a few days ago too! Been using it since I got it, love it ❤

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Congrats!!! It's so good, haven't taken my items out since❤

  • @Wendys_lovinglife
    @Wendys_lovinglife 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That is the EXACT combo I want - size ten, pebbled leather, black, with silver hardware. You lucky girl. :-)

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Wendy🙌♥️

  • @monarch6443
    @monarch6443 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's beautiful! Congrats! Enjoy!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Monarch♥️

  • @fabulousirene
    @fabulousirene 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gorgeous bag, fit your lifestyle well. Thank you so much for sharing darling💕

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Irene♥️

  • @mariacancello-zi3dr
    @mariacancello-zi3dr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow I love your new purchase. I would go for a Margaux in this size in a pebbled or grained leather too. I know I would get so much use out of it. The size looks fantastic on you. I would love to hear a review in a few weeks to see how you feel about it and how much you use it. Have a fab day x

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes!! Will definitely have a first impressions in a few weeks or month! Thank you for watching Maria♥️

  • @adelinafrunza634
    @adelinafrunza634 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Felicitări! Este superbă! Se vede pe fața ta cât de bucuroasa ești! ❤❤❤

  • @heatherross928
    @heatherross928 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lucky you. It’s gorgeous

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Heather🙌♥️

  • @DonaLeopoldina-dr4so
    @DonaLeopoldina-dr4so 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OMG you got it! Congratulations!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much ♥️♥️♥️

  • @patsteimer1860
    @patsteimer1860 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Uggghhhh…..wow. It’s gorgeous. Congrats!! The bag is a great size for you.
    Btw, I think you mentioned you were looking for a brown overcoat? Take a look at the Toteme runway show today, look 10. It’d look gorgeous on you. Looks like a wool/suiting mix? It probably won’t be available for a while, but at least Toteme has better price points than most other brands. It’s actually a really gorgeous show, would love your opinion on like The Row vs Toteme lol. Congrats again on the Margaux bag! It looks perfect on you.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I love Toteme and was so great to see how the brand has grown and now with runways shows. Thanks for the tip!! I have a few RTW items from Toteme and definitely better priced than the Row. My opinion is both brands do minimalism from regional perspectives, one is Scandi the other is NY - both different and have their own reference points. I do think The Row in terms of quality is superior, but of course the price is more🤷🏻‍♀️ Thank you so much for watching Pat❤

  • @donv4576
    @donv4576 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, congrats!!!! Such great news to wake up to. Had to write a comment before even watching because I’m so excited. Gonna grab myself a coffee first 😀😀

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much for watching Donv♥️

  • @Kate_Mnl
    @Kate_Mnl 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was in Tokyo last week and the Margaux was sold out unfortunately. I was able to see one at a preloved store in a smooth calf leather and it was so scratched up so it’s good that you got the grained one. The margaux 10 size is a good size. Congratulations! Will wait for your Birkin and Margaux comparison :)

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohh good to know about the smooth leather. Thank you so much for watching and sharing❤

  • @jamielonghurst6373
    @jamielonghurst6373 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Enjoyed your thorough commentary on the Margaux. I ordered the dark taupe version in the 10 size from The Row and returned it because the size was just a bit too small for me. I really loved the color and the style of the bag, though. Ended up with the size 12 in cognac from MyTheresa. It's a gorgeous reddish brown. I've been carrying it for a few days now and love it. It is the perfect everyday bag, but I also think it could go fairly dressy or corporate if needed. Will definitely keep my eye open for the 12 in black - I haven't seen it available anywhere. I did put my name on a few waitlists. Also - I agree with you. Comparing this to a Berkin is like apples to oranges. Just not the same thing at all.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Congrats on the 12! I almost went for the 12, enjoy your new beautiful bag❤

  • @mlm7014
    @mlm7014 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Beautiful bag. Both are on my next milestone birthday wishlist. I would appreciate a comparison video on The Row v Birkin. Thank you.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Will do❤ Thank you so much for watching🙌

  • @anttoronto3202
    @anttoronto3202 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The bag is beautiful in the 10. It is very structured. Hope it slouches a bit over time?
    The slouchiness of the Margaux is the whole appeal. I love the deep brown in 15 size as well. Beautiful bag.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It does have a slouch but definitely less than the 15. Thank you so much for watching❤

  • @lisac4225
    @lisac4225 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congrats I have become a big row fan due to Neelam Ahooja and I only exclusively buy the brand. I love the understated elegance, and the quality of everything they make. I feel like I found my unicorn in the fashion industry will never stray.

  • @fashionandluxury101
    @fashionandluxury101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations Mary! 😊

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much❤❤❤

  • @ruthmclean5116
    @ruthmclean5116 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mary, your new bag is beautiful! I’m so indecisive sometimes. I can see myself pondering the size and colorway for a really long time. You’re definitely going to need to get a bag insert to protect that lovely creamy interior. Have you done a review of your entire collection and how each bag ended up with you? I would LOVE to see that! ♥️

    • @karentracy9657
      @karentracy9657 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A bag insert would completely defeat the bag’s style/purpose.

    • @ruthmclean5116
      @ruthmclean5116 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah you are probably right about that. With every bag I put an insert in, it definitely does change the structure.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you Ruth♥️ I really need to do a bag collection, but it's very overwhelming! Thank you so much for watching 🙌

  • @andresmalaya6621
    @andresmalaya6621 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amei todas as bolsas lindas e de muito bom gosto.Parabens #lvguci 😘😘😘

  • @fashionandluxury101
    @fashionandluxury101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congrats

  • @lizcortez
    @lizcortez 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OMG CONGRATS!!!❤❤🎉🎉

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Liz❤

  • @shellys.4275
    @shellys.4275 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Mary! How are you feeling now about the Margaux 10? I just ordered one after seeing this video and it’s smaller than I expected. I was going to get the Celine small 16 which I love. Which of these bags do you like better? I feel Celine is beautiful quality and elegant. I’m not sure the Margaux is as nice. I have several black bags with gold hardware. I need ed something without gold. I really appreciate your style and opinion! Thanks so much!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I honestly love them both, for different reasons. I think the Margaux leans more casual, the Celine 16 is a bit more dressed up. I think if you lean more casual or dressy than go with the more casual or dressy style. Thank you so much for watching❤

  • @stellamaxwell777
    @stellamaxwell777 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you made the right choice with the size. While the large bag may look great on 5’8”-5’11” models and celebrities, the smaller size coordinates with your height and petite frame much better. Congrats!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great point Stella! Yes I think the 10 is the right size for me. Thank you for watching♥️

  • @carolineharwood6464
    @carolineharwood6464 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I live in Europe and it’s great to be able to buy things on Vinted from Italy, France, Spain, Holland, Belgium, Portugal etc..
    However - it is shocking how many fake The Row bags are being listed. I’m afraid this would totally put me off buying a genuine one! There are so many “under the radar” brands which are more interesting and individual. I don’t believe in buying into a brand which is being posted all over Instagram.

    • @dva5610
      @dva5610 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The fake ones have a completely different weight and leather feel to them. Even after seeing some good ones it’s just immediately apparent they’re not original.

    • @periscope7731
      @periscope7731 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes: Mulberry, Advene and Ateliers Auguste.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you for sharing your perspective❤

    • @periscope7731
      @periscope7731 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarysRoom 🫶

  • @michellepauline1043
    @michellepauline1043 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is totally unrelated but I have been binge watching your past videos and I am wondering if you can share what size your vintage Bottega Veneta Black hobo bag is? I am on the hunt for one but the sizes are confusing to me. Thanks in advance! LOVE your channel!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think its the medium size around 15x10in. Thank you for watching❤

  • @rodneybrown9580
    @rodneybrown9580 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am a new listener of your blog. I have to say I respect your knowledge and energy you provide to your audience. I retail women’s and men’s clothing and depend on influencers such as yourself for a in tuned fashion perspective.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Really appreciate this Rodney❤❤❤

  • @IreneI9601
    @IreneI9601 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you picked the right size. It suits your frame and will be easy to pull out for all sorts of occasions.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes I agree Irene! Thank you so much for watching❤❤❤

    • @IreneI9601
      @IreneI9601 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarysRoom I’m enjoying your thoughtful content and commentary 🇨🇦

  • @ellenbeach3006
    @ellenbeach3006 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really like the Margaux, but it is getting so overhyped. There is a Margaux though that doesn't have the side buckles and has sharp angular corners that looks interesting. I want the grained leather though and I have only seen it with smooth calf skin. The Devon bag is interesting as well

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohh I know the one you are talking about. The Devon is great too! Thank you for watching♥️

  • @sstraw7224
    @sstraw7224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations - beautiful choice. It reminds me of my LV City Steamer PM. QUESTION - what is the shoulder strap length/drop please?

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The strap drop length is 21in. Thank you so much❤❤❤

    • @sstraw7224
      @sstraw7224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you@@MarysRoom

  • @daniellericht7718
    @daniellericht7718 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful! Hoping to find the Burgundy in 15

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hope you find it!! Thank you for watching♥️

  • @Hello-f9o
    @Hello-f9o 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s the perfect bag ❤

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is such a great fit♥️♥️♥️

  • @MsSaintJo
    @MsSaintJo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Weeeeee! U finally got her!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes!! Finally♥️♥️♥️

  • @jsy941
    @jsy941 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I definitely think buying at full retail directly from the row or other reputable retailers is the way to go!!
    Buying luxury resell especially in N.America is a huge gamble.
    So many fakes out there… I know one specific very popular luxury consignment in Seattle is consistently selling fakes

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes it's getting so hard to navigate the preloved market nowadays. Thank you so much for watching❤️

  • @bagloverlux
    @bagloverlux 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really like the bag, but i often gravitate towards shorter handles. Just like the handles the birkin. Enjoy. ❤

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is something so elegant about a shorter top handle. Thank you for watching❤

  • @drlessismore
    @drlessismore 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Were you tempted to get the shiny-er smooth leather? Great video (again).

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I wasn't wearing it with my toddler in mind I would consider the smooth leather. Love both leathers❤

  • @bagloverlux
    @bagloverlux 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a very good size. I prefer small and midi top handle bags .

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much Seun♥️

  • @reflectioneternally
    @reflectioneternally 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Ferragamo Hug bag would be a good choice because this Row bag is being faked into oblivion and they are really undetectable!!!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love the Hug Bag🙏♥️ Thank you for watching!

  • @the3dspage
    @the3dspage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How exciting! I'm so happy for u! I have the 10 in the dark taupe pebbled leather and just bought the 15 in black pebbled leather today. I can't wait to get it! I too don't carry much so the 10 is perfect but I wanted a big slouchy comfy everyday bag so I thought I'd give the 15 a go. I also considered the ivory but it's sold out :(
    Isn't the 10 unbelievably light weight!?

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Congrats on your beautiful bags! I love the the dark taupe and yes the lightness is incredible!! Thank you so much for watching❤❤❤

    • @the3dspage
      @the3dspage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarysRoom I recently found u and glad I did bc have very similar taste 🥰

  • @martininoolives
    @martininoolives 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I LOVE my Margaux 15 but i only wear it to my office job. If i didn’t have a laptop to carry, i would go with a Margaux 12 or 10

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohh yes the Margaux 15 is such a great everyday work bag🙌♥️

  • @isaacyang249
    @isaacyang249 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I also thought you'd get the 15 in the chocolate brown or the black color! After your explanation, the size 10 is the smartest move for you! It also looks great with your petite frame. My personal favorite size is the 17 in brown suede or black leather. Do you also happen to know which site carries the Margaux 15 or 17 in silver/palladium hardware instead of rose gold or yellow gold? So happy for you and I hope to see you style it on your instagram!

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes the larger sizes are so chic and have such a great slouch♥️ I'm checking now and Mytheresa has the Margaux 17 in the grain with palladium. Thank you so much for watching Isaac🙌

    • @isaacyang249
      @isaacyang249 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarysRoom thank you so much Mary. I’m a silver palladium hardware person always at heart.

  • @janetownsley865
    @janetownsley865 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you get a discount on the bag for your promotion?

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I paid reg price with my own money😊

  • @emjayluxe
    @emjayluxe 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How are you finding the strap drop? It's not adjustable, right? I was waffling over the 12 a few days ago and should have just bought it, now it's gone everywhere! 😂

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the size leans more shoulder or crossbody. Yes the 12 is sold out everywhere😭 Thank you for watching❤

    • @emjayluxe
      @emjayluxe 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarysRoom Ok I ended up getting the 10 like yours. And I love it! So great for every day, goes with everything...elevates casual outfits but is easily dressed up. Glad I snagged it now!

  • @sexxxyricky
    @sexxxyricky 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    yyaaayyyy so happy u got the bag!!!!! its so chic n simple its foreverrrr xo

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's so good❤

  • @styleevoked_
    @styleevoked_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Compare please would love to know your thoughts. Thank you

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Will definitely do❤❤❤

  • @007lamiss
    @007lamiss 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💖

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for watching❤

  • @dace8828
    @dace8828 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    congrats :)

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you so much for watching❤

  • @patiencewoodrell
    @patiencewoodrell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I regret selling my Margaux, it's a great bag

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ohh no😭 Hope you can get one back one day❤

  • @mariposa1933
    @mariposa1933 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful bag! Much nicer than a Birken. Still think both are very overpriced.

    • @MarysRoom
      @MarysRoom  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for watching Mariposa❤

  • @DumasG36
    @DumasG36 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello. I work with a brand. Where could WE reach you to send gifts ?

  • @christinisamathnerd
    @christinisamathnerd 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't care for the games of Hermès so i prefer The Row or Delvaux.