Film Theory: Fullmetal Alchemist's FATAL Miscalculation
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Fullmetal Alchemist would have you believe that Ed and Al failed in human alchemy because they were missing a soul. Well guess what, they've been lying to you. In fact, they were missing something much more fundamental - the correct recipe for a human body.
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So... who is gonna tell Edward that his calculations have... come up short?
*bad dum tss*
Better dont call him short, you saw the result many times in FMA
I don't want my ass kicked by a metal leg
Rofl
Yass
Matpat in 2016: and in all honesty, its a series Im gonna want to visit a few more times
FMA fandom in 2019: are we a joke to you?
That's true. I've watched both animes (Fullmetal Alchemist 03 and Brotherhood) 20 times
He's done a couple videos since this one
I saw the chimera scene and just the voice... I'm scarred forever.
FMA fandom in 2020: are we a joke to you?
jen a apparently, and as someone who has only recently gotten into this show, I’m disappointed
1:51 MatPat predicted Style Theory before he even made Food Theory.
Faschon theory sounds like the best thing ever.
he can see the future and i feel sad thats he is gonna retire
just go
just go
I know!!!
1:51 he was truly ahead of his time, also DO THE THEORY MATPAT, YOU HAVE A STYLE THEORY CHANNEL NOW
I know right? Maybe you could do a theory of why we think those things are cute.
Predicted it nice
I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT ON THIS
BRO PREDICTED IT
wait. its already a year old?
Ed’s calculations were closer to what science knew in the early 1900s
Mr Poofey the series takes place in 1904 so it makes sense
Fucking nerd. #respect
it makes alot of sense considering what time period it was in the anime (i think it was the late 1800's?? idk that's from memory)
@@abbie_joan 1914, literally WW1 Era
@@VetyBurr yeah around there but on top of that it was an alternate world where technology didn't have as much of the advancement due to alchemy (meaning the medical field didn't advance as far either)
Fullmetal alchemist; the only show where a housewife is 100x scarier than a sniper.
Evie Bryson true that
the housewife was in the army before
do not forget that
Evie Bryson I dunno about 100x scarier, Hawkeye can be pretty terrifying so maybe like 10x is more like it
but Hawkeye is not really a sniper,
Tensaii1 what do you mean? Hawkeye’s a sniper, she fought in the Ishvalan war as a sniper
10:08
Pretty sure he did the molar maths wrong. If you have 1942.3 moles of water, that's made of 1942.3 moles of oxygen and twice as many moles of hydrogen, cos it's H2O. But he's using the weight percentages there, which is wrong.
If he'd said oxygen is 89% of the weight of water, then applied that to the 35 litres (or kg) he'd get the correct answer.
EDIT:
It took us less than an hour and one page in our notebook to do all the correct maths btw, including googling all the weights etc. Moles are hard to understand, but the maths is simple if you're doing it right.
Edward is still wrong, but so is MatPat. The biggest discrepancies between Ed and wiki, using a human of 74.3215kg (total mass of Ed's formula):
Potassium, sodium, chloride, and sulphur are all severely less than needed
Ed has 6kg of calcium from the lime(stone) when wiki says only 1.115kg is needed
Hydrogen is 4.391kg not 7.06kg as needed
This nigga did all this math for 2 likes
I wanted to comment about this. But thanks!
Was gonna comment this if there wasn't already a comment
Thank you it was bothering me
How long until we get a correction film theory episode? That attempt at maths and chemistry was shocking.
MatPat~
I find your Film Theories very entertaining.
I recently watched the one you made about Full Metal Alchemist, which is my favorite Anime series.
However, I am also a High School Chemistry Teacher. So, I feel the need to point out a number of errors, which may undermine (or underplay) the premise of the video. The title of the Video is “Fullmetal Alchemist's FATAL Miscalculation”. I understand that this video is several years old. However, since you have not revised these errors yet, I feel the need to write you.
When I first saw the particular Episode of FMA your Theory is based on years ago, I made a quick calculation to see if his numbers added up to the mass of a person. I found the notes I made back then and it suggests the total mass of those ingredients would add up to 60.67 kg. That person would weigh 134 lbs, which seemed pretty reasonable. [I won’t get into the whole difference between Weight and Mass.]
When I was watching your video, I could tell that there might be problems, when you refer to Salt as a “Molecule”. It is not a molecule, rather it is an Ionic Compound. This misconception is so common though, that I have even seen it on educational programs like Brain Pop. This would not have mattered too much toward your conclusion, since it is only semantics, but is shows that your Chemistry might be a little oxidized [rusty]. Later in the video you manage to avoid this issue by referring to chemicals by the more broadly encompassing term “Compounds”, which is just fine.
Now it pains me to say this… but Moles was not the way to go with your calculations. Moles is indeed at the heart of many Chemistry calculations. But in this case, most of the items were already given in mass. Converting between different mass units does not require moles. The only two chemicals, that were not given in mass [Water & Ammonia], can be converted most easily to mass using their Densities.
35 L of Water x 1,000g/L= 35,000 g of Water
4 L of Ammonia x 730g/L= 2,920 g of Ammonia
After that, the best way to break down the compounds would be using Percent Composition, which is also based on mass. For example in Saltpeter, Potassium makes up 38.7% of the mass, Nitrogen makes up 13.9% and Oxygen makes up 47.5%. So, you just multiply those by the mass of Saltpeter to get the masses of each element: K is 38.67g , N is 13.86g and O is 47.47g.
After going through the compounds in this way and then adding up the elements that repeat, like Hydrogen, Oxygen and Nitrogen, I get the following masses:
O: 31,558.9g
C: 20,000.0g
H: 4,434.9g
N: 2,415.5g
Ca: 1,072.0g
P : 800.0g
Cl: 151.7g
Na: 98.4g
S : 80.0g
K: 38.7g
F : 7.5g
Fe: 5.0g
Si : 3.0g
+ Trace
Total: 60,665.6g
Note: It is not clear if the FMA list is referring to “Quick Lime” or “Slacked Lime”. Since the Water is listed separately and the other ingredients are “dry”, I used Quick lime in my Calculations.
The next issue is that the governmental data you compared this to adds up to a different "sized" person. The “Real” data add up to over 70,000 grams that is almost 16% more, therefore a larger [more massive] person. This person would weigh around 155 pounds. So, to truly compare them you need to adjust the numbers accordingly. You could either adjust the numbers from the show or the government data. I will adjust the numbers from the show.
O: 36,456.1 g
C: 23,103.5g
H: 5,123.1g
N: 2,790.3g
Ca: 1,238.0g
P : 924.1g
Cl: 175.2g
Na: 113.7g
S : 92.4g
K: 44.7g
F : 8.7g
Fe: 5.8g
Si : 3.5g
+ Trace
Total: 70,049.1g
This does not at all destroy your theory that they got their amounts wrong in their transmutation.
When compared to the Government’s Data, some elements match up a little better, like Oxygen and Hydrogen. Some are even farther off, like Carbon, Nitrogen, Calcium and Phosphorus.
But at least now it is a fair comparison.
I would recommend re-editing your video with these corrections, or posting an additional one addressing this.
Keep making your entertaining videos and you can always ask me questions about chemistry.
~Bryce Pemble
I wish you were my chemistry teacher you made me want to get into chemistry more
How does this have so little likes?
this man typed out this entire comment for 20 likes
@Walid Neon True that. That's what you call an "Aptronym", when a name suits an occupation. Just like when the Secretary of Education used to be Margaret Spellings. Also maybe like Steve Jobs, who generated a bunch of them?
If you were my chemistry teacher, I would so ace chemisty
10:12 WOAH WOAH WOAH! Mat I love ya' but i gotta stop you there, that's not how chemistry works.
1942,3 moles of H2O, yes we're on point so far but what you do next is completely wrong! 1 mole of H20 has 2 moles of (or 1 of H2) and 1 mole of O. So 1942,3 moles of H2O is 3884.6 moles of Hydrogen atoms and 1942,3 moles of Oxygen atoms. Think back to the hamburger example. If 2/3 are bread and 1/3 is meat then you would need 2 pieces of bread and 1 piece of meat to get 1 hamburger. You can't take 500 patties and 2000 pieces of bread and get 2500 hamburgers, you need all parts of the sum. What you're presenting here wouldn't come close to reality:
If you have 213,65 moles of Hydrogen and 1728,63 moles of Oxygen then you wouldn't get 1942,3 moles of water. First of all you need 2 hydrogen atomes for the water so there would be 106.825 moles of H2. That's how many moles will react with Oxygen to form water, the rest of the 1833,475 moles of Oxygen would either react with itself or something else because there isn't any Hydrogen left to react with. This equation would form 106,825 moles of Water which is (106,825 moles * 18,02 grams per mole) 1924,9865 grams of water, WAY off your initial 35000 grams of water at 9:30.
Mat please don't take offence to this, I love your videos sooo much. They're so insightful and scientifically interesting. But they touch on so many different topics and aspects of science that it would be ridiculous to think you would get it right everytime. I mean this is stuff you wouldn't have done for a long time, unless you're a chemist there is almost no practical reason to remember this. But we can't spread misinformation like this, this needs to continue to be a place of real science. Where gaming geeks and science nerds meet and enrich each other's understanding and appreciation for this world around us. I don't expect you to go through the trouble of doing this video all over again but please adress this mishap.
Love you Matty (meat) Patty xoxo.
Theorists please like this so he sees it! :3
(EDIT)
Vigneshsella also pointed out that at 9:30 it should be 1 mole/18,02 g not the other way around. Just a minor detail, still love you Matty
+LighGaiden I don't understand but I'll like your comment anyway. I hate chemistry. I'd rather physics/biology/earth science than freaking chemistry
+The Scroll Ikr? Chemistry is the unwanted child of the natural sciences.
LighGaiden I like mixing stuff then it explodes though. Literally the only thing I like about chemistry xD Physics is bae.
Neeeerd
Lucas Harper HEY! Thank you :3
The idea that 45% of people might prefer sword art over fullmetal is disturbing.
Not saying it’s better just saying it’s my first and favorite
I like both but I like fma a little more
Def
your not wrong
I actually like sao so you are wrong
(Just stating my opinion don't hate me)
"are their really that many cloths to launder!?"
Yes actually. She has two small boys. She's probably not half done laundering
Bro leaked style theory 6 years before he made it
Matt seems like the kind of person who'd enjoy Stein's Gate
And a theory of the anime...? you know... time travel, the concecuenses of change the past....
+EclipsedArchon Or basically anything that has to do with science, like Assassination Classroom, with how the moon was destroyed and Koro Sensei being formed.
+EclipsedArchon Yep.
true
+EclipsedArchon Yeah, I agree. I don't know though because I feel like any number of time travel movies could be talked about in the same way, especially since Steins Gate itself would be based on a lot of present ideas about time travel!
It's like, I just wonder if there's a point to him choosing between steins gate, and say, "The Time Machine" or something like that.
Biology: The only subject where multiplying and dividing mean the same thing.
I hate you, take my upvote and make more mitosis jokes.
Multiplying and dividing are the same thing, though.
Blastjer Exactly.
@@hotpocketbagel r/foundthereddituser
@@angelmendez-rivera351 Brain big
1:40 foreshadowing 7 years in the making
The funny thing is that he concentrated on the original anime which is non canon after like ep 12. In FMAB its mentioned that it is IMPOSSIBLE to transmute a dead person. They werent missing stuff but they were doing something impossible
Yea I was watching and was thinking it can’t just be calculations and it’s been called impossible the entire series, not the price of a human soul but even more than that. I have a theory myself as well, could winry give Ed her gate and others as well because everyone e can do alchemy so they all have a gate so they could trade it with others correct? And so Ed and al would have there alchemy back?
@@echo7904 I'm pretty sure Al still has his gate. Ed used his to bring back Al, but Al is never shown trading his gate.
@@geordineilson5476 Yes that is true but if you can trade gates then there is no reason Ed shouldn’t have alchemy since everyone has one so winry could trade hers or maybe before people dire they can give Ed their gate to bring them back there’s a lot of stuff unknown about the gates rn
At around 10 minutes, you talk about going from moles of water (number of water molecules) to moles of hydrogen/oxygen.
The way to do this is to just use the chemical formula for water directly, not involve the molar masses of the individual atoms. So, for 1942.3 moles of water, we will actually have 1942.3 moles of Oxygen and 3884.6 moles of hydrogen. We then can use the atomic mass of these values (~1 for hydrogen and ~16 for oxygen) to convert back to mass of the respective elements. In this case, we end up with roughly 3.9 kg of hydrogen and 31 kg of oxygen.
Water is about 89% oxygen by mass, but this doesn't mean that 89% of the atoms in it are oxygen. Water is (aside from any impurities) always 1/3 oxygen and 2/3 hydrogen by numbers of atoms.
this comment needs to be higher
+Grim scythes Agreed.
+Victor Smith Thank you!
As an actual chemist, I saw that error and literally moaned in pain
you are right.
+Victor Smith Yes, you don't need the moles. It's roughly a mass ratio 1/9 of hydrogen to water. You know exactly how much hydrogen is in that many liters (knowing the density of water) without ever touching the moles.
You know... I came here to escape my chemistry test study... but...
You can not escape Chemistry young one.
Oh come on man, Hohenheim was a bit too irresponsible leaving human transmutation books around, but you can see he actually loved his kids. He left to find a way to get rid of his immortality so he could live the rest of his life with them. When he heard about fathers plans he did everything in his power to stop it.
He’s talking about the 2003 version. I haven’t watched it all the way through but I’m pretty sure he’s a bad guy in that version
@@youthfulgreenbeast3851 He's not a bad guy in the 2003 version, he's like a 400 year old dude who kept transferring his soul to different bodies. He admits that he loves their mother and his kids tho and only left because of his decaying body. He helps Edward when they're transferred to the other side of the door at the end(Our world). At the end
Matpat teased Style Theory 6 years before its release at 1:50
Old theory but Matt forgot something very important.
Would the elements in Al's body and Ed's leg have made up the difference?
I mean probably. It's an entire human child plus an arm and a leg. Based on the theory on the value of a soul, the body would be fine but they didn't have enough power
Definitely not because there were certain elements above the required amount needed and some below. So by adding the limbs, you would put some of the elements way over the requirements necessary. Also, the list provided was based off of a 150 pound person. We don’t know the weight of Ed and Al’s mom so the comparison isn’t significant.
Merle McClure they give the body and leg for the exchange of the Truth not the transmutation, Idk how people don’t understand that
"truth" took eds limbs and als body stayed at the gate, so only what was actually used for the transmutation would go towards the mother.
Imagine a gif of my jaw dropping off my skull.
But Matt pat, Edward didn't have google back then.
lol
and he was 10 or someting like that
Didn't stop America from using Google maps in the .middle of world war 2 X3
+Blueberry wut
+Jack Eaton In a time equivalent to 1940, two boys copy their father that had died from the thing they wanted to do.
1:52 6 years later style theory was born.
Guys, now that MatPat is on the last quadrant of his little Simon game, we know that the fourth and final theory channel will be fashion theory.
I was looking for this comment.
you, my good sir, are a prophet
@@bob_marlee03 LMAOOOO how did i manage that guess?
I'm a simple human: I see FMA, I click.
You and me both lmfao
dwisawesomw Same xD
dwisawesomw same
dwisawesomw samez
dwisawesomw FMA gay porn....?
My chemistry exam is next week
I should be studying, but this is close enough
you're not the only one that should be studying for chemistry.
Mols are easy as crap tho. XD
ikr
Yup same... Moles = mass divided by GFM woooo....
I'm taking cem my 10th year :D is it hard or "challenging"
you when u realize that he announced style theory in this ep at 1:50
Me"oh Winry is only 15"
Also me goes onto google"How to wipe all information of a computer"
FBI: Oh why, hello there!
sus
4:16 I think you made an error, MatPat.
Ed's too damn tall.
lol
Me: highschool chemistry and maths is useless in the real world
Mat pat:
3:22 in Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood Their mother died of A plague that broke out in the country
Woosh
The 5 triangles in a star represents the 5 elements of life. Air, earth, fire, water and spirit. They don't have the spirit element. They don't have a soul too that is why Alfonse's soul was taken. Maybe that is why their human transmutation failed. They failed to obey the law of alchemy, the equivalent exchange.
man that suit of armor must cost an arm and a leg...
dammit I just saw the ending
no just an arm
NO
NO
GO HOME
NO
eeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuggh~ i hate and love you for that
Need some water? Because that back is on fire!
Props to anyone who gets this.
I goddamn love Fullmetal Alchemist
+William Jakespeare Same here friend.
Me
+EnderBeast 87 same
Meh
Hellsing ultimate or SAO
+William Jakespeare me to
The fact that matpat made style Theory means either he was planning this 6 years ago or it was just a one-off joke or both
1:50 The style theory foreshadowing is crazy
"To a main character with an irrational fear of milk"
Oh hi, Brendon.
Xiaoqing Lu ...
The milk fic...?
+Toby yeah sorry I had to
Xiaoqing Lu "SHUT UP! I DON'T HAVE TO DRINK IT IF I DON'T WANNA!"
-Ed
Xiaoqing Lu oh dear god
I feel like he's read the Milk Fic and that is why he's irrationally afraid of milk.
Fullmetal alchemist was so popular they made weight into a real thing
Chemistry invented from an anime
It was so popular they made hyperinflation a real thing
They even copied stuff like grass and trees
Ed seeing this video: Al were going to the other side of the gate and we're bringing mom back again
Is this his first reference to fashion theory before they started it?!!!
OMG they had missed their calculations, almost like they were kids
oh wait
Ricardooo Raiccc yea but even when they are older they still repeat the same mistake
gaming player define "older"
I might be wrong but wasn't it their fathers formula?
Himawari Uzumaki very true, they could've just trusted the formula never thinking to actually cross-check it because their dad was this great alchemist
also: Himawari is the best character in boruto, ever! 可愛いいい！
Ricardooo Raiccc 4
Does this mean we'll figure out how One Punch Man is able to do everything he does now?
+aghostshell "willpower"
+aghostshell 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, and 10km running EVERY SINGLE DAY
+Grovylelover XYZ HELL YEAH!!! WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING TOO!!!
Tutu Hlanti tru
+aghostshell That won't work since the series makes a point of making it a mystery.
Bruh I almost had a heart attack when I saw what you did at like 10:05 , chemistry doesn’t work that way mat 😂
1:53 the time has come to when we look back and see he has planned this for years
"We will have to MULTIPLY and DIVIDE"
lippie lips Evidently not a lot of people like multiplication and division
I was just thinking "Okay Zordon"
Why would people not interested in science even subscribe to this channel? Multiplication and division are the basics of the basics.
lippie lips You can't understand chemistry or physics if you don't know how to calculate.
Fraser Souris hey are you good at math? Because I want to go in the bedroom add you subtract cloths divide legs and MULTIPLY
Mat, your calculation is about as wrong as can be. 1942,3 moles of water means there are 1942,3 x 6,02 x 10^23 Watermolecules. Each one is 1 Oxygen and 2 Hydrogen, meaning you have 1942,3 moles of Oxygen and 2 x 1942,3 moles of Hydrogen.
Exactly!
+Tharnator Yeah this is rather embarassing to be honest...
+Tharnator jesus I once made a mistake like this in chemistry class and my teacher slapped the shit out of me
Also, he wrote down a multiplication sign, although he divided... Otherwise he would have had g^2/mole
Yup.
Yo it’s the first appearance of style theory. At 1:52 it’s been in front of us all this time
Now that Style Theory exists, i want that hat episode, Matthew.
There should be another FMA theory. What about one explaining the Homunculi's abilities? Like how Greed hardens the carbon in his body to create his ultimate shield, or Envy's shapeshifting. I'd love to see MatPat do a theory like that
Sam Travnik Envy's ability is the easiest to explain, he takes on any form he wants because he's jealous of how other creatures look, he's also jealous that humans stick together even after a tragedy that should've torn them apart(at least that's what is said in brotherhood), with greed, I would say that his ability comes from his avarice for friendship, he becomes a hardened monster that decimates everything, Lust's spear is most likely referencing that Lust can destroy you through any armor, Gluttony is a failed portal of truth(literally, envy says this after getting sucked in with ed) and has this insatiable hunger, Wrath was trained brutally and without mercy, combined with the pain of actually becoming a homunculus, his eye is kindof ironic seeing as Wrath is a blinding thing, but he uses it to see weaknesses and exploit them, Pride is just the recreation of father, and thus will always live in his shadow never being anything greater, Sloth is lazy and stupid but he is also strong stemming from the stereotype that the laziest people can harbor great strength. I would like to point out that the Homunculi are just Father's(Dwarf in the Flask Homunculus, yes that it his real name) seven deadly sins removed from him and put into bodies to do his bidding allow him to become perfect and then surpass any deity that exists.
Aren't the humunculi some kind of philosophers stone? In that case they won't need to act under the law of equal exchange or typical physics, right?
Well, at least in Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood they were...
The philosophers stone doesn't bypass equivalent exchange, its just a battery made from humans: think of it like buying from a shop, you can carry in the coins or you can use a credit card, one fills your pocket with metal to use while the other is a piece of plastic that seems endless... until you check your account that is. This is how the hommunculi can be killed despite their philosophers stone powered regeneration, they use up all of the stones power healing themselves and then it breaks, leaving them to turn to dust. Also the hommunculi have a stone embedded inside them, they aren't stones themselves.
tldr: Philosophers stones don't bypass equivalent exchange and they can run out
Not a MatPat's Theory, but a The SCIENCE! would be a better choice for this kind of complexity
Mat Pat is a homunculus
But hey that's just a theory
A real theory
but how.
Which cannon are we going by? 2003 or Brotherhood/Manga?
@@vogonp4287 Yes.
Really today our teacher taught about moles and it went over my head. I even discussed it with my tutor, No Luck. But then I took a break and was thinking about the anime I will watch this weekend. And I wanted to know the difference between FMA and FMA brotherhood. Then I saw this video and now I understand the mole concept.
First reference to fashion theory 7 years ago 😮
Maybe they didn't want to check their work because their stupid math teacher always made them DO THE WORK.
I understood that reference.
same. i would know the answer and how to do it, but putting it to paper is just boring, annoying and, depending on how long it is, painful on the wrist
I thought she just beat the shit out of them all the time, lol.
Dylan. They could do it as a science project though.
''Worst mothers day ever''
I know that feeling.
Its kind of...DOG-dgy
Why must you remind me?
why you remind us it was so sad youre mean
Stop it.
No.
Too.
Fucking.
SOON.
11:30 is it sad that when I saw FMA I instantly thought of force= mass x exceleration
MatPat is rubbing off on me
that was the smoothest explanation for stoichiometry i ever seen... and i really liked doing stoichiometry in high school... you got the final part where you divided the atoms wrong, but everything before that was SMOTHH
10:07 Nooooooooo! Thats so wrong!!!!!!! To get the moles of hydrogen atoms he should have multiplied the moles of water by 2 not .11 because each water molecule has 2 atoms of hydrogen. Doesn't make a lot of difference to his conclusion but still... Gah! Other than that, loved the video.
yah. i mean he mastuve forgotten the 2 in h2o. on how its two hydrogen and one oxygen. not the other way around.
+Cody'sLab Matpat's FATAL miscalculation?? xD
+Cody'sLab 9:26 Also he said multiply by 18.02 instead of divide :P
+Cody'sLab Love your videos, and so glad you said something. Hope he see's.
a tear went down my face when he did that, I'm taking sophomore chemistry right now (^ω^)
"The show would have you believe that the human soul is priceless and nothing equates to it.
I would tell you that that is crap." - Matpat, 2016
Wow
Damn. He's dumber than I thought.
Yeah, because it tells you the price of a soul... an arm or a leg.
Umm what about another soul? Maybe a fatter a soul. And if not 1 soul how about 2. 2 souls have to be worth more than 1. I know what the show was saying but come on . Your telling me 2 souls are not worth more for 1. ?
@Lakshyaplayz or like Captian Jack Sparrow would say. How about 100 souls.
Matpat: Style Theory on that hats alone
I just finished FMA and this pops us in my recommend.
Coincidence?
I think not
You probs searched about fullmetal alchemist in google then google said to youtube
"Hey yt this guy searched for Fullmetal Alchemist"
"Oh OK thanks I'll tell the algorithm"
Same thing happened to me
9:04
molar mass is the number of grams per mole of an element/compound, not the number of moles per gram.
9:31
you say "1 mole over 18.02 grams of water", which is correct, but the visual is 18.02gH20/1 mole
10:12
your percents are the percents by mass of which water is composed, which would have worked hat you multiplied by the 35000g water, i.e. 11%H x 35000g water = 3900g H, yet you multiplied by the number of moles of water. 1942.3 mol H20 is 1942.3 mol O + 2 x 1942.3 = 3884.6 mol H
The results I got from running the calculations are as follows:
35L water (H20)= 35 kg water = 3917gH + 31083gO
4 L ammonia (NH3)=2.73 kg = 485gH + 2245gN
1.5 kg Lime (CaO) = 1072g Ca + 428g O
250g salt (NaCl) = 98g Na + 152 g Cl
100g saltpeter (KNO3) = 39gK + 14gN + 47gO
Adding in the pure elements we get:
31558g O
20000g C
4402g H
2259g N
1072g Ca
800g P
152g Cl
98g Na
80g S
39g K
7.5g F
5g Fe
3g Si
meaning our percentages by mass are:
52.18% O
33.07% C
7.279% H
3.735% N
1.773% Ca
1.323% P
.2513% Cl
.1620% Na
.1323% S
.06449% K
.01240% F
.008268% Fe
.004961% Si
aaaand I just realized you kept it in grams for the video. doin' stuff that I don't need to. way to go me.
Wait but you got the masses of some of them (K, Na, Cl) right, while others were still different from mine? now you're making me think I did something wrong. I give up. Jeez this is a long comment.
I was hoping someone did this math, great job. The values you get are pretty much exactly what the show provides, which essentially invalidates the theory Matpat puts forth. Just goes to show you need to check your process.
Since the value of the theory is at stake, I would point out that Alphonse's body is taken and Edward's leg is taken to supposedly provide the alchemic reaction with the life necessary to later develop into a homonculus.
Lots more theory bait in the show, though, I'd love to have this theory edited and more brought forth.
Adam Vargas
Sorry, I do not understand why the theory is not valid. I mean, they were converting the list in the show in order to check it against the data provided by thr US department of extreme nerdiness, so of course the data in the show match the data he has converted..
Or maybe I did not understand?
Patrick Ward Ummmm... Nerd?
At first I thought I'd be the only one who noticed the mistake, but I'm glad I found more people who saw it too, thanks ^^
We is not a nerd, he is part of Game terorist squad
I absolutely loved Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. The last episode reduced me to tears.
Then oh boy, FMA 2003 will make you depressed. You should watch it (also watch conqueror of shamballa after the end of 2003)
FMA 2003 is a lot darker
@@HelloMellow5 I already knew that
@@papermachete8071 I wasn't correcting you
@@HelloMellow5 yes
1:53 he leaked his own newest channel 7 years ago 😮
I cant believe Matt revealed style theory in 2016
Look, I like this channel, but I REALLY don't like it when people get calculations wrong, and he REALLY screwed up his calculations:
10:00 This was the HUGE one, he knew the mass fraction of each element in H2O and used it as some sort of molar fraction per mole of H2O for each element, this is incredibly wrong, it's like saying that the patty in a hamburger accounts for 20% of a hamburger's mass and then calculating that in 1000 hamburgers there must be just 200 patties. For each molecule of H2O there's obviously 2 atoms of H and one of O.
In 1942.3 moles of water you have 1942.3 atoms of O (about 31076.8 grams) and 3884.6 moles of H (about 3884.6 grams). And he said he used the same calculations for all elements, oh, man.
Bonus rambling:
I mean, did he even check if the masses added up? He said there were 35000 grams of water, 213.65 moles of H and 1728.63 moles of O. 1 Mole of H is roughly 1 gram, 1 mole of O 16 grams. So in 35000 grams of H2O there are (213.65*1)=213.65 grams of H and (1728.63*16)=27658.08 grams of O? 213.65+27658.08=27871.73 grams of water? Where's the rest of it?
9:30 The actual equation is: mass/molar mass, if you wanted to have it just as a multiplication, you should have done mass* (1/molar mass). but in the end he made the calculation correctly, so that's fine, I guess.
So just out of curiosity:how close did it get with the right formula?
+drachendetektiv Another guy made the calculations here in the comments section, the only mistake he made was calculating for 25 kg of H20 instead of 35 kg, but I guess you can take my numbers for H and O xD
3884.6 grams of H and 31076.8 grams of O.
Edit: That amount of Oxygen would correspond to a 47.8 kg person xD It's wrong, unless their mother was incredibly thin/tiny.
Gonzalo Ayala Ibarre i think he was tired of math...
i don't do anything early this terrible and i hate math
Gonzalo Ayala Ibarre lies matpat is never wrong NEVER WRONG NEVER
Can't agree more about the calculation. It is problematic in various places!!
I like this channel, but yes, I've clicked the dislike for this clip
I think that a Black Butler, Soul Eater, Death Note, or Hetalia (wow, those categories made a jump-from dark, serious shows about grim reapers and demons and ridding the world of evil to countries running around yelling in funny accents) theory should be made.
hetalia? what would he even do with that. how long it will take for America to eat himself to death?
Wyatt Farmer I mean, I would watch a theory on that, lol.
+Graciepoopoonoonoodooblebug Vandeberg Black Butler would be interesting to see also I'd watch the America thing XD
Black Butler is heresy.
soul eater :DD
Welp, now style theory needs to do a theory about that hat
With style theory your new channel the fashion theory joke in this video aged well
Love your work Matt but, sadly I think you forgot something while making this one. While you are correct that Ed and Al didn't have correct materials to make a human, someone did.
Izumi, their teacher, used her own child's corpse for her human transmutation. The perfect amount for a child's corpse, the EXACT measurements for THAT human and she still made a monster, giving up the malformed child to the gate in equivalent exchange.
I also know 2003 FMA isn't cannon (I still enjoy it, both runs ARE very good and awesome in their own right.) Matt said he is focusing on the world of the 2003 FMA, not brotherhood.
Frost King lol(not a hate comment) there's always someone that finds something To create such a comment... good job fellow theorists!
Fr.
Frost King he also never mentioned that fma is set in the early 1900's but I know this is a fictional universe but still
Frost King I'm surprised that this comment has been bombarded with angry responses to the "not canon" thing. Even if its true, people are still touchy about it
WAIT SO FMA IS NOT CANON BUT THE FMA BROTHERHOOD IS
thx for the info :D
for one... they forgot the water in the transmutation... seriously did you see 35 liters of water in that DRY pile
They also added her heart from her original body, revealed near the end, so that was also some material that they didn't need, not to mention that it rotted along with her corpse and maybe some dirt
Point Blank thats just disturbing... and thats saying something for fma
well hey, its the truth, it's like kids learning not to touch a stovetop by burning themselves, but in a physically and mentally scarring way. AKA Life
also the fact that said failed "mother" becomes sloth... hell of a fuck up
+tabuuking double the damaged childhood
1:50 the greatest foreshadowing in human history...
1:51 Ayo wtf he mentioned it six years ago?!
That means that if they did the math right, they would have their mother's body without a soul.
Daniel Knapp yep
NO!!! THAT LITTTERAY GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THE SHOW IS TRYING TO TELL YOU!!!!!!
No it isnt. Do you remember how disfigured, grotesque, discolored, and freaky what they actually made was?
They wanted their mother's SOUL back most of all, and from what little information provided in the show there is, her soul is long gone. If they had the ingredients correct, it would have looked perfectly like their mother, but in a vegetative state at best.
The point isnt that they would have succeeded if they had the measurements right, but that even if they accounted for the soul it still would have been wrong because the imgredients for the body were still wrong.
There was no need to calculate moles of anything, you could have just used mass fractions. Also, your math is wrong. In one mole of water, you have one mole of oxygen and 2 moles of Hydrogen. Which means your final numbers will not be accurate. Now I have to figure out if I'm curious enough about whether Ed is right or not to do the math out myself . . .
As an example, instead of calculating number of atoms for water, just multiply your total mass of water by 2/18 to find the mass of hydrogen, and multiply the total mass by 16/18, to get the mass of oxygen. As that's the mass ratio. For every every 18 grams of water(molar mass) you have 2 grams of hydrogen and 16 grams of oxygen.
he did use two hydrogen molecules? am i missing something?
Chris Journeaux Not molecules, moles. he multiplied his total mole count by the percentage, getting a number smaller than the original. That's not how it works. You should multiply by the number of molecules. One for oxygen, 2 for hydrogen. But again, it's an irrelevant step anyway. Just multiply the mass by the mass fractions.
Brad S oh i see thanks for letting me know.😎
+Brad S Thank you, hate when mattpatt just wantonly traverses the realms of science pretending he has any decent or even advance education in them, he did the same thing with sonic and a few other theories and i just cringed.
1:52 foreshadowing seven years prior.
Mat: and who doesn’t have a crush on winry I mean cmon
Me: dude she’s 15
Gamezinc 101 technically it’s been more than 3 years since it’s been over soooooooooo
@@FBI-rn6xz plus she was definitely much older than that at the end of the series, considering she went on to have kids with Ed and all.
Whoops! Moles, as you said, refer to the number of atoms. You wouldn't calculate percentage of mass with moles, you would have to do that before the conversion from grams.
If you have 1942.3 moles of water, you would have 3884.6 moles of hydrogen and 1942.3 moles of oxygen. Two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom per molecule of water.
If you want to do the percentage method, you would apply the percentages to the initial 35000 grams of water. Then you would find the mole/gram conversion rates for oxygen and hydrogen separately, instead of doing water as a whole.
+Seth Osborn But I'm sure the recipe is still really wrong. Not that I have the willpower to go through and check.
+Seth Osborn finally someone that also saw the bad math, 1942.4 moles of water would indeed make 3884.6 moles of hydrogen
+Seth Osborn *Clears throat.* NERRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MarkDNF Why, thank you! :3
+Seth Osborn maybe i'm reading this wrong but if we have 1942 moles of water (H2O) wouldn't the H be 1295 and the O be 647 ?
Hey I actually had a chem exam to study for an this helped! Good on you, Matpat!
...I'm not procrastinating
Me neither, I mean it's a terrible thing to procrastinate right?
*nervous laugh*
Would be nice if the information was actually accurate
Yeah, he really screwed up the chemistry in this video. How did you do at the exam?
Not bad actually. 89%.
I tried to make my phone password "edward elric". It said It was too short 😂😂😂.
ssgssjaiden 「空白」 COPIED r/woooooosh
copied
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__j __h I don’t think that’s how it works
Hahahahahah
Wait, so this is the first episode where fashion theory was mentioned?
Thumbs up if you want to see Mat doing a video about how hard Saitama (One-Punch man) hits.
Yes
+kittehpowerx3 You just read my mind :D
yes
I can't help but say how cute your profile picture is :3
Plz let mat see this. This must happen.
The reason human transmutation doesn't work isn't because they have the wrong ingredients but actually because afterwards in FMA brotherhood ed digs up the body and realizes that what he transmuted wasn't his mom. His mom had a different hair colour and the bones are checked by Winry's grandmom who confirms that the bones are not of a women. So very simply it isn't because of the equivalent exchange but rather it is impossible to revive a human who is dead because you do not have the soul as it has gone to the other side. And well while the math might be wrong... even if it was right it wouldn't be possible.
But this is 2003 universe.
In my theory , since the components werent even correct from the beginning , making a different human being which is not a female - housewife - ed's mom is understandable ( as he mentioned in the video that the components would make the bones way too large or the body is too dehydrated ) . As for the colour of the hair ( sorry im really not that good with science on this one ) , i would say the hair colour is determined by eumelanin and pheomelanin , maybe because of the wrong components those melanin got messed up and end up with more eumelanin ( the things that makes your hair darker )
Yes but if you think about it, didn't they try to create a new body for their mothers soul? So of course it wasn't her body. Maybe it worked and her soul was in that body but the body just wasn't functional.
Yeah but sadly it is revealed in the manga that a human soul once dead is dead and the soul cannot be brought back at all. So a soulless monster is created instead
If they really want to, they can revive their mother, but they choose not to.
This was uploaded 5 years ago... yet it helped me study my chemistry final I have later today, FMA was one of the first Animes I watched
This guy just predicted 7 years into the future
Who's that *SHORT* shrimp with the *Fullmetal Alchemist*
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. But seriously, none of these fools except for Al aren't metal in ANY WAY other than the music they may or may not listen too.
DoN't CaLl Me ShOrT!!!!
9:56 One molecule of water is made up of one oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms. A mole of any molecule or atom will always be 6.02 x 10^23 of that object, so one mole of water will contain one mole of oxygen and two moles of hydrogen. If there are 1942.3 moles of water, it is made up of 1942.3 moles of oxygen and 3884.6 moles of hydrogen. the 11% and 89% applies to the mass, not the amount of molecules, and you were applying it to the amount of molecules, not the mass.
this.
I learned this, this year.
oh ok.
8th grade Stoichiometry was a blast lol
i though that then thought no he couldn't be wrong.
Style theory hint 6 years ago at 1:50
1:48 Not MatPat dropping the OG reference to Style Theory
Same here bro 😂
So glad we didn't get an episode wasted on SAO.
lol
Ugh rude
+AlphaEpic What a dumb thing to say about someone. Grow up kid.
+Hoax Slayer Cmon you dont have to be rude!
+TheLegendOfSora73 You're looking at the worst possible examples then. Watch Hunter x Hunter if you want the best anime.
I can do math too:
Genius + Insanity = Matpat
Shuku are light from death note
I can to, 2+2=4-1=3 qucik mafs
Shuku Science and math major+love of films amine and games +insanity= matpat
Don't be silly, MatPat is the opposite of genius.
+Cringe
Coming back to this and seeing fashion theory is so funny now that style theory exists
Here from the future. Fashion Theory is now a thing.
10:16 Um, no, that's not how moles work. If you have 100 moles of water, that means you have 200 moles of hydrogen. Mole is a unit of pure quantity, counting. You wouldn't divide the total amount of water into amounts of oxygen and hydrogen, since each mole of water has two moles of hydrogen and two moles of oxygen.
That's like saying that because you have 100 hamburgers and the patty of each hamburger takes up 50% of the hamburger, then you have 50 patties. That's not how it works
I also noticed this. Guess I know why MatPat didn't major in a science course in college...
one mole of water only has one mole of oxygen (H2O remember)
indeed, and two moles of Hydrogen. but that's not how the video calculated it. Matpat said that because Oxygen takes up X% of water by mass, that for every mole of water, there's X% of a mole of Oxygen, but that's wrong. It has nothing to do with mass or the proportional make-up of the molecule.
I was about to make the same comment
Both oxygen and hydrogen are diatomic molecules. One mole of water has one mole of H2, and half a mole of O2.
I guess you could say that since fma took place in 1914 that was probably the science of 1914 which is why they wrong it is no where near modern science
Happy someone pointed that out. How much would that change the series?
Well you can't really say how much they knew back then, as it doesn't relate to the actual real world, as they might have actually known more than they do now since they obviously know alchemy and could actually be hundreds of years ahead
Supposelly in 03 their science aint wrong but whats happening is that in their world alchemy was more developed than chemestry
@Poop Stomp nope its england
the series is in 1914 but the guy who wrote is in the 21st century right?
This video is awesome! I use it in my intro level chemistry course as a bonus question. After just 2 months of intro level chemistry, students are able to find several really bad errors. I have them find errors and correct them. Math students can do this as well because this guy is terrible at both: basic algebra and basic chemistry. This made a cool assignment. Thank you!
1:50 is literally a future reference to style theory
I clicked on this faster than nina and Alexander became best friends
Stop...just...stop...
Same😹
sammmmmee
Owwwwwwwwww! My heart!
+William Mcmeekin Ed... ward...
carbonated water 16 oz, caramel color 15 grams, aspartame 10 grams, phosphoric acid 5 grams, "What's that?" A can of Diet Coke!
Hmm, I didn’t know that’s how Diet Coke was made.
Mat mentions a possible fashion theory 7 years before it happens
Reference to Style Theory 6 years before it happened