The interesting thing is, Scooter Don and I actually invented this back in 2001. The design was shelved for a really long time (freecoasters weren't cool back then). I rode the prototype we built for almost a year before it broke. We didn't use a planetary set for the release mech. Our design auto disengaged and had infinite slack adjustment. Thanks for showing the guts!!!! Looks like a solid product
@@Brant_Moore it's long gone. Ended up shearing the tips of the pawls doing engagement testing. I think it went into the bin after that. It's really cool that fakie tricka are finally cool.
I don't think I ever updated you on it but after my axle bent back in December, I contacted both Tal and eastern about replacement axles. I was told by Tal the replacements would still be the same inner diameter, but that they had ordered some sturdier ones that would be some months out. Talking to Robbie Taylor at Eastern, he was able to get me compatible replacements once I gave him the measurements of the freenight axle and they would cost me less in total because they were shopping domestically. Because of their stock at the time, he had to pull them from built hubs, but was able to get me two of them just in case I had another one bend. Fortunately, the ones that came in were a smaller inner diameter, taking a 6mm allen, instead of an 8mm. I'm still on the same axle and it seems extremely strong. I don't know if I'll ever actually end up needing the second axle. Over the time I've had it, and only since replacing the axle, I have had the problem of it not wanting to engage forward a few times. Every time it was because of the cone nut on the drive side being loose. Since I didn't use a bearing press, I think the problem is that my bearing on the drive side still isn't pushed in all the way. Besides that, I sometimes have an issue with it engaging the cassette unintentionally but it's typically because of my crank movements being sloppy or inconsistent. The only wear I've seen on the hub is the corners on all three of the points that engage the driver being rounded, but as long as my cone nuts are tight, this is not a problem and it still works as well as it did back in September when I first got it. Even though it's the only coaster hub I've ever had, based on riding other people's bikes, I still think it's the best one out there and I'm glad I got it. An interesting side-note, I was told by Eastern that apparently the reason this hub and the salt plus equivalent are allowed to exist is because there was a period before Eastern took ownership of the Ezra hubs when parents weren't settled and so other companies were able to copy or work off the Ezra design. I'm glad that happened because the freenight seems to be a much better design than the Ezra.
Thanks for going really in depth and long term with this. I ended up going for the BSD Revolution over a cassette because of your videos. Awesome to know these things are consistent and durable. The pedal pressure is maintained if you pedal forward and hold the pressure before you tap, but I’m gunna make some pawl springs from spring steel and slip them under the pawls so it works as a cassette if I really want it. Take ‘er easy!
Many thanks for this in-depth review!!! I think I will go for it on my dirt jumper! (Bit nervous because it's not a cheap piece of kit!) The ratchet seems to have 24 or so teeth? Freenight's website says it has NO slack but that doesn't mean that it engages instantly like some MTB hubs would, correct? For example if your ratchet has 24 teeth, your hub only engages every 360 / 24 = 15 degrees, unlike an Onyx BMX or MTB hub which actually engages instantly.
It's definitely not instant in those terms but it's instant in comparison to a traditional freecoaster. It's something you will notice if you're switching from a hub like that but it's not something that realllllly affects riding the bike and is very easy to get used to
I have had one for 6 or 7 months as well. I get an occasional pawl slip going forward and I did have to replace the rubber o-ring in the Planetary Gear. It is pretty easy to replace the o-ring. Tal at Freenight helped me with videos and pictures to properly change the o-ring and where to apply grease. Now if he could only help me with half cabs. I can't do them to save my life....
I'm not sure if you ever figured it out but in the one video you had pedal pressure for a tail tap. My guess is you have to start pedaling down just before the wheel touches and starts going backward. If you start applying pressure while the wheel is still spinning forward the cassette should lock in. I'm thinking of getting the free night one since BSD is on major back order
I've been on the fence about this hub so i figured I'd give u some time with it to see how it held up after a couple months and this vid just sold me. Soooo thanks dude
Strength too as well as the fact that tightening and loosening spokes has such an immediate effect it makes truing easier. The smallest turns have an impact. I do ride for alienation but I would ride their rims even if I didn’t
Can confirm! Best freecoster ever only thing I can comment and would love feedback on is when I go from coasting while cruising forward and try to torque down to take off I get a little (very occasional) skip like the slack you would get from a freecoster just with extra noises. Its maybe less than an 1/8 a crank of skip anyone else ever experience this? Brant? I'm thinking that it's just the clutch not being totally engaged the sound is what makes me cringe really plus going to pedal and suddenly having no pressure is super rad.
I have that maybe once per session but it’s never bad enough that I lose momentum or that it messes me up. Almost always when Im just turning around on a quarter or not really doing anything. It’s pretty rare when actually riding or in a line.
I commented on this video about how mine went from the occasional pop to skipping really bad. I disassembled it and saw no damage. Reassembled it and it's still bad. Glad to be back on my Shadow Optimize coaster. I know it won't let me down.
Man. If I hadnt dropped 300 dollars on the cinema dak freecoaster I would buy this. I will say this about Dak's wheel. Of the three or four freecoasters I've owned, his is the only one I have not had to take apart and regrease all the time.
so the free night planetary hub and the bsd revolutionary planetary freecoaster hub are both the same style hub doing the same thing,whats the difference between the two and what do you think is the better out o the two ???
I'm looking for cassette hub for a bowl ride. I think this could be perfect hub for my current situation. (Right now I'm using ClutchV2 Freecoaster) But I'm still worry about the durability of planetary hub. Freenight says "Fast pedal forward movement while moving backwards can cause unwanted and damaging engagement." What If I bail only my back foot, while I'm doing 180s. Could Planetary handle those kind of impacts? hope so.
You aren’t going to break it on a situation like that where it’s an accidental slip. You would legit have to crank like you’re trying to break it to break it. I’ve done it pretty hard and had others do it as well on my hub and it’s still as you see it.
I have the hub and I'm pretty bad about accidentally engaging it in fakie when I lose my balance. I do it at least once almost every session pretty hard and I ride for hours 3-4 days a week and have had it since September. I've seen a little more wear on the corners where Brant showed some wear but it's been like that a long time already now and it's still working perfectly as long as my cone nuts are tight. I'd expect more wear on the teeth inside the hub or on the pawls, but I don't even see that. I took a chance on it after only seeing the first few videos from Brant and I'm glad I did. Zero regrets. I will say though that if you're looking for a loud cassette sound, this one isn't quite as loud as a normal one, having only 3 pawls. One of Brant's videos does a comparison on the sound.
@Brant_Moore ok thanks. Have spoken to them now. Just waiting on stock refill. Is that axle mod available or something you did yourself? Also same question about that ti axle. Thanks again
The salt plus trapez hub is the same thing without the cassete sound and it can change from being a cassete or a frecoaster while using that same system when its set as a freecoaster man
*i'm not throwing garbage on the hub btw, i'm just exposing another option that shares the same system cuz it is one of the best hubs for crankflips in case of both hubs which was the main reason why i got the salt hub*
Except it’s not the same at all. It doesn’t have the planetary clutch in it that allows it to coast without being disengaged. You 100% have to disengage and reengage that hub. That is the whole point of this hub and why it’s called the planetary
I bought this hub like a week or so before you posted your first video on it and I ran it for a while, it's a great hub it seems but I bought the wheel build version and the rim and spokes it came with are awful which suvks because I can't trust riding it with the wheel
I still gotta tweak my freenight into submission when I fakie, but I'm also learning my fakies on this hub, so it's probably just not properly broken in still.
They should of done that sense the beginning of making free coaster so it would last longer I use ride free coaster but my coaster die I’m back to cassette . @brantmore thanks for all the video u do man taking the time to do them I appreciate it and always learning from u
The engagement while riding isn’t as instant as something like the profile elite. Obviously 3 vs 6 pawls is a pretty big difference, but it’s pretty close to that of the profile mini. And when you’re moving forward it is always the same
A.k.a @eddydz813 I was all about this hub when I got it. About a month after I got it. It would pop once in a while pedaling forward. About the 3rd month it popped so much then started skipping (no pedal engagement). Took apart while watching your video of you opening it. I inspected it. Saw no sign of damage anywhere. Reassembled and back on my bike..... Still skipping.
i dont have to back pedal my free coaster. just pedal right into whatever and 180 it. dont even have to think twice. so id say no, this isnt a game changer. my 4 year old primo does the same thing (ish).
@@Brant_Moore yeah for sure. i call it anti theft. imagine someone trying to quickly steal a bike and have no idea about the slack lol. i dont know if i care enough about pedal pressure to switch. id have to ride one 1st and see how it felt.
The interesting thing is, Scooter Don and I actually invented this back in 2001. The design was shelved for a really long time (freecoasters weren't cool back then). I rode the prototype we built for almost a year before it broke. We didn't use a planetary set for the release mech. Our design auto disengaged and had infinite slack adjustment. Thanks for showing the guts!!!! Looks like a solid product
Woahhh man that is super crazy!! Thank you for sharing the story too. I’d love to see that thing some time if you still have it. Bmx history there
@@Brant_Moore it's long gone. Ended up shearing the tips of the pawls doing engagement testing. I think it went into the bin after that. It's really cool that fakie tricka are finally cool.
Thank you Brant for the awesome review and all the previous videos too!
Glad you love it, keep up the good stuff!
Brant giveaway?
It’s really cool. Planetary gears have been in automatic transmissions for years and it’s cool to see it in bmx
This will be my next hub, 100%. Thanks for doing a follow up after putting some wear on it, this is what I was really waiting to see.
Exactly why I made it! Hope you love it as much as I do man! Also, thanks for watching
I don't think I ever updated you on it but after my axle bent back in December, I contacted both Tal and eastern about replacement axles. I was told by Tal the replacements would still be the same inner diameter, but that they had ordered some sturdier ones that would be some months out. Talking to Robbie Taylor at Eastern, he was able to get me compatible replacements once I gave him the measurements of the freenight axle and they would cost me less in total because they were shopping domestically. Because of their stock at the time, he had to pull them from built hubs, but was able to get me two of them just in case I had another one bend. Fortunately, the ones that came in were a smaller inner diameter, taking a 6mm allen, instead of an 8mm. I'm still on the same axle and it seems extremely strong. I don't know if I'll ever actually end up needing the second axle.
Over the time I've had it, and only since replacing the axle, I have had the problem of it not wanting to engage forward a few times. Every time it was because of the cone nut on the drive side being loose. Since I didn't use a bearing press, I think the problem is that my bearing on the drive side still isn't pushed in all the way. Besides that, I sometimes have an issue with it engaging the cassette unintentionally but it's typically because of my crank movements being sloppy or inconsistent.
The only wear I've seen on the hub is the corners on all three of the points that engage the driver being rounded, but as long as my cone nuts are tight, this is not a problem and it still works as well as it did back in September when I first got it. Even though it's the only coaster hub I've ever had, based on riding other people's bikes, I still think it's the best one out there and I'm glad I got it.
An interesting side-note, I was told by Eastern that apparently the reason this hub and the salt plus equivalent are allowed to exist is because there was a period before Eastern took ownership of the Ezra hubs when parents weren't settled and so other companies were able to copy or work off the Ezra design. I'm glad that happened because the freenight seems to be a much better design than the Ezra.
I bought one because of your channel and I absolutely love it
Thanks bro !
Thanks for going really in depth and long term with this. I ended up going for the BSD Revolution over a cassette because of your videos. Awesome to know these things are consistent and durable. The pedal pressure is maintained if you pedal forward and hold the pressure before you tap, but I’m gunna make some pawl springs from spring steel and slip them under the pawls so it works as a cassette if I really want it. Take ‘er easy!
Many thanks for this in-depth review!!! I think I will go for it on my dirt jumper! (Bit nervous because it's not a cheap piece of kit!) The ratchet seems to have 24 or so teeth? Freenight's website says it has NO slack but that doesn't mean that it engages instantly like some MTB hubs would, correct? For example if your ratchet has 24 teeth, your hub only engages every 360 / 24 = 15 degrees, unlike an Onyx BMX or MTB hub which actually engages instantly.
It's definitely not instant in those terms but it's instant in comparison to a traditional freecoaster. It's something you will notice if you're switching from a hub like that but it's not something that realllllly affects riding the bike and is very easy to get used to
@@Brant_Moore Thanks, that's what I thought. Ordered one anyways. Can't wait!
Let me know how you like it! Did you get the mtb one with disc mounts?
@@Brant_Moore Yap. Will do!
I have had one for 6 or 7 months as well. I get an occasional pawl slip going forward and I did have to replace the rubber o-ring in the Planetary Gear. It is pretty easy to replace the o-ring. Tal at Freenight helped me with videos and pictures to properly change the o-ring and where to apply grease. Now if he could only help me with half cabs. I can't do them to save my life....
haha I could use some help myself! my friend says just lean backwards..
I'm not sure if you ever figured it out but in the one video you had pedal pressure for a tail tap. My guess is you have to start pedaling down just before the wheel touches and starts going backward. If you start applying pressure while the wheel is still spinning forward the cassette should lock in. I'm thinking of getting the free night one since BSD is on major back order
My comment made it in the video! That's awesome. Good video man, I love my Free Nite hub definitely would not go back to cassette.
Yea man!! Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the channel
I've been on the fence about this hub so i figured I'd give u some time with it to see how it held up after a couple months and this vid just sold me. Soooo thanks dude
I like this one so much I bought another!
Haha that’s so awesome!!!!
where can i buy one of these ?? i'm sick of my quater crank
On their site linked in the description
Great Review! Do you use that rim because of the coatings for braking performance? Or other reasons? Dave
Strength too as well as the fact that tightening and loosening spokes has such an immediate effect it makes truing easier. The smallest turns have an impact.
I do ride for alienation but I would ride their rims even if I didn’t
Really well put together video, subbed 👌🥳
Hey thank you!!! I do my best so I’m glad you enjoyed enough to subscribe!
4:22 You had two freeknight hubs you bent one axle thats why you did the axle mod with the new hub you got if i remember right 👍
Can confirm! Best freecoster ever only thing I can comment and would love feedback on is when I go from coasting while cruising forward and try to torque down to take off I get a little (very occasional) skip like the slack you would get from a freecoster just with extra noises. Its maybe less than an 1/8 a crank of skip anyone else ever experience this? Brant? I'm thinking that it's just the clutch not being totally engaged the sound is what makes me cringe really plus going to pedal and suddenly having no pressure is super rad.
Benjamin Wise I had this during the first week of wearing it in and since then it’s been fine, how long have you been riding it?
I have that maybe once per session but it’s never bad enough that I lose momentum or that it messes me up. Almost always when Im just turning around on a quarter or not really doing anything. It’s pretty rare when actually riding or in a line.
@@andrewskinley I'm at about a months worth of riding now
I commented on this video about how mine went from the occasional pop to skipping really bad. I disassembled it and saw no damage. Reassembled it and it's still bad. Glad to be back on my Shadow Optimize coaster. I know it won't let me down.
Amazing piece of kit.
subscribed!!!
your posts are very informative. thanks
I finally bought my planetary coaster, it's going on my S&M Dagger that I'm building when I come home in September!
Please assist me ...I really don't know how to buy online and I am from South Africa will it cost more
Check their site for shipping costs. They are based in Israel
Is it safe .. because I have never ordered online
@@tumitee4083 yes it is, dont worry
Have you tried the tall order drone? What are your thoughts?
I have not, so unfortunately I don’t have any thoughts to give on it
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Muchas gracias por tu información y videos.
Man. If I hadnt dropped 300 dollars on the cinema dak freecoaster I would buy this. I will say this about Dak's wheel. Of the three or four freecoasters I've owned, his is the only one I have not had to take apart and regrease all the time.
Hey at least that one is better man!
so the free night planetary hub and the bsd revolutionary planetary freecoaster hub are both the same style hub doing the same thing,whats the difference between the two and what do you think is the better out o the two ???
I have videos about that. Check the game changing free coaster playlist on my channel. They are the most recent videos
Can’t get one 😢. Hope they get manufacturing again.
Have you tried contacting them directly?
@Brant_Moore indirectly- via a supplier in the USA. I guess I should email them directly again.
@Brant_Moore they’re hoping to have them back in 2 months, so there’s still hope 👍
You’ll get one man!!
I'm looking for cassette hub for a bowl ride. I think this could be perfect hub for my current situation. (Right now I'm using ClutchV2 Freecoaster)
But I'm still worry about the durability of planetary hub.
Freenight says "Fast pedal forward movement while moving backwards can cause unwanted and damaging engagement."
What If I bail only my back foot, while I'm doing 180s. Could Planetary handle those kind of impacts? hope so.
You aren’t going to break it on a situation like that where it’s an accidental slip. You would legit have to crank like you’re trying to break it to break it. I’ve done it pretty hard and had others do it as well on my hub and it’s still as you see it.
Thanks brant!
Always happy to help man!! Hope to see you in the comments here again in future videos!
I have the hub and I'm pretty bad about accidentally engaging it in fakie when I lose my balance. I do it at least once almost every session pretty hard and I ride for hours 3-4 days a week and have had it since September. I've seen a little more wear on the corners where Brant showed some wear but it's been like that a long time already now and it's still working perfectly as long as my cone nuts are tight. I'd expect more wear on the teeth inside the hub or on the pawls, but I don't even see that. I took a chance on it after only seeing the first few videos from Brant and I'm glad I did. Zero regrets.
I will say though that if you're looking for a loud cassette sound, this one isn't quite as loud as a normal one, having only 3 pawls. One of Brant's videos does a comparison on the sound.
Adam Rosenthal Thanks for sharing your experience👊🏾
I was concerned about just like what you describe!
Cant wait to get this magicalhub.👍🏾
Hi. Can you tell me if they have a Uk distribution or only direct from them. Thanks
That only do direct sales at this time. They’re based in Israel and it’s not too much for shipping
@Brant_Moore ok thanks. Have spoken to them now. Just waiting on stock refill. Is that axle mod available or something you did yourself? Also same question about that ti axle. Thanks again
That’s such a sweet hub
9:48 why do you have two valve holes?
One of those is presta for running tubeless on these alienation rims
I've always rode a free coast want a hub cassette tho.
The salt plus trapez hub is the same thing without the cassete sound and it can change from being a cassete or a frecoaster while using that same system when its set as a freecoaster man
*i'm not throwing garbage on the hub btw, i'm just exposing another option that shares the same system cuz it is one of the best hubs for crankflips in case of both hubs which was the main reason why i got the salt hub*
Except it’s not the same at all. It doesn’t have the planetary clutch in it that allows it to coast without being disengaged. You 100% have to disengage and reengage that hub. That is the whole point of this hub and why it’s called the planetary
So a free coaster wit pedal pressure what more could u ask for
Gold and diamonds at the same price with the way some people act
I bought this hub like a week or so before you posted your first video on it and I ran it for a while, it's a great hub it seems but I bought the wheel build version and the rim and spokes it came with are awful which suvks because I can't trust riding it with the wheel
I still gotta tweak my freenight into submission when I fakie, but I'm also learning my fakies on this hub, so it's probably just not properly broken in still.
Is this like the Ezra hub
Wait a sec! Does this mean I can flip the pawls and make mine LSD? It sure looks like it! Or will the inner ramps of the hub directional?
No the inner ratchet ring is directional so it wouldn’t work
@@Brant_Moore Ah, okay. Thanks!
make a video to explaine how it works, i never understand wat wappens inside this
I have one! Check the playlist in the description
Hi newbie question what happens when a bmx runs 20km/h and u back pedal it?
Whatcha mean? When you're going that fast forward?
wal mart bikes been doing this for years lol but that is pretty cool I've never seen this
You have to service more than a regular cassette/hub ?
Nope. I never serviced my free night and still haven’t serviced my bsd more than just making sure jam nuts are tight.
@@Brant_Moore
How long you had it ?. Thanks
Watch my other videos on them. I have a full review
How are crankflips and fakie crankflips?
Earlier this summer I was doing triple crankflips on accident thinking they were doubles at the trails
They should of done that sense the beginning of making free coaster so it would last longer I use ride free coaster but my coaster die I’m back to cassette . @brantmore thanks for all the video u do man taking the time to do them I appreciate it and always learning from u
How did it die? If a traditional khe internal style coaster skips. The clutch is bad and is $30 to replace.
How is the engagement?
The engagement while riding isn’t as instant as something like the profile elite. Obviously 3 vs 6 pawls is a pretty big difference, but it’s pretty close to that of the profile mini. And when you’re moving forward it is always the same
i have a haro rim just like this, and never seen one before. now all my buddies are asking me about it, so i just direct them to this video
Technology has changed so much from geared bikes to bmx. It's crazy!#100k
Without a doubt man, its awesome to think about.
Also thanks for being here!
@@Brant_Moore brother we are already almost at 11k not even a month!#100k
A.k.a @eddydz813 I was all about this hub when I got it. About a month after I got it. It would pop once in a while pedaling forward. About the 3rd month it popped so much then started skipping (no pedal engagement). Took apart while watching your video of you opening it. I inspected it. Saw no sign of damage anywhere. Reassembled and back on my bike..... Still skipping.
If I ever go freecoaster, this gonna be the one!
Imo ezra is the best coaster out here once you modify it to have some more slack
where can i get this hub from?
Their website is linked in the description
Its like a profile Z coaster
But better because you don't have to disengage or re engage it
Giveaways?
Ask free night on their comment! I’ll do a giveaway if they want to.
4:50 loool literally when i bought my first ever freecoaster i thought it was just a silent cassette xD
Giveaway old parts 😁😁😁👍👍👍
i dont have to back pedal my free coaster. just pedal right into whatever and 180 it. dont even have to think twice. so id say no, this isnt a game changer. my 4 year old primo does the same thing (ish).
Either way you still have slack to get rid of when you pedal it again and you don't have that with this hub.
@@Brant_Moore yeah for sure. i call it anti theft. imagine someone trying to quickly steal a bike and have no idea about the slack lol. i dont know if i care enough about pedal pressure to switch. id have to ride one 1st and see how it felt.
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