In regards to the “Which one has more range?” Question, it’s basically a tie. Rangefinder gives Palindrome the edge because it will start to drop off later than the Fatebringer, but explosive rounds will give Fatebringer an easier time once you’re* out of range. IMO, it depends on the map and what special weapon you want to use to pick one* over the other. I personally don’t like Fatebringer's perk Pool outside of Eye of the Storm, but I’m really praying for Eyasluna to be INSANE and have both Eye of the storm and Rangefinder together just like Austringer used to.
@@imjlu with “easier time” I wasn’t talking about aim assist or accuracy whatsoever, I know that Explosive Rounds doesn’t help those things at all. But it does help to have a higher damage floor. Palindrome at the damage floor hits 24 crit damage, and IIRC, Fatebringer's with Explosive Rounds hits 30 crit damage.
Just a heads up i went on to d2gunsmith and figured out between the Timelost Fatebringer and The Palindrome adept which 1 has more range..... The max range roll for the Timelost Fatebringer can hit 92 range with an adept range mod on and The max range roll for Palindrome Adept can hit 91 so literally timelost fatebringer edges out palendrom adept by only 1 range statistically.
Yup. A good KD doesnt always mean the players at the level that number states. Players quit unfair games due to wide skill discrepancies, which i dont blame them for at all. Cos obviously Dont play in any game clearly weighted so heavily & unfairly against you. Well, Unless youre just stupid lol. but say an average player for example were to quit shit tons of actual fair games after playing well for i dunno two minutes, his KD would eventually go up to a number that doesnt actually reflect his true skill. That 4.0 player is likely actually a 3.0 player if he quits fair games all the time. Still a very, *very* good player, but not as good as the KD suggests.
I think when it comes to these 2, feel alone is the most important thing. The sight, the model, the sounds, it’s all important to what we become attached to. At the end of the day, sure pali may have more range, or fatebringer may have more lethality, but 10 times out of 10 I’m gonna use the one that feels the best to me. Even if a gun is statistically good, if it doesn’t feel good than it’s all for nothing
I have a God Roll of both Hand Cannons with those exact rolls. I feel Fatebringer is the better HC because the flinch is greater. And this comes from Palindrome’s #1 fan.
I completely agree, I think the amount of flinch and annoyance Fatebringer has is what separates the two. Yeah range finder is good in range finder moments but Timelost Fatebringer just has that extra hit disturbance that can’t be beat.
I've been messing around with both my Timelost Fatebringer and Adept Pali in trials this weekend. Yeah, I agree with you, it's hard to choose. For me, Adept Pali edges out ever so SLIGHTLY cause of it's thinner/smaller gun model. Depending on which shader I use (DO NOT USE GAMBIT JADESTONE. Looks good, but it hurts the eyes lol), the flashlight on Fatebringer can be a bit annoying.
personally i think it's highly dependent on what special you want to use, one is energy, the other is kinetic. both s tier options for their slots. i dont think one is better then the other since they take different slots
I completely agree with you. Both options feel extremely good and BOTH are S-tier weapons period. It comes down to personal setup and preference. I hate when people try to say “one is better than the other” when they are in separate slots. i love having the option to choose.
There is a very good video from Gjerda that goes into insane depth about this topic and I think the end result came down to fatebringer (timelost) being best just because of its farming method.
You can't compare with range stat on 2 different archetypes because it's only relevant against others in the same archetype. It's like a sniper with half a bar of range will still out range any gun that isn't a sniper. So I'm pretty sure all 120s have more range on average than 140s 🤷
You blowing up on YT is a prime example of why sweats should upload more and give their thoughts on the game. You're showing people that not everyone is a toxic pos. Love the content man
Call me crazy but I honestly would take Dire over both of these, even though the stats aren’t as good. Sometimes it just feels like you literally can’t miss with dire it just feels so smooth
@Mountaintop that and dire has like 90 base aim assist compared to all other 140’s. So practically the easiest HC to use imo, which is why I don’t like it.
@@Woggy07 i still like thorn better because of it’s quick and magnetic feel, also legendary hand cannons are only used because of icarus, ace is so good on paper tho
@@Zaycy the only reason I said thorn would get used more if it got a catalyst is because personally, if I doesn’t have a shiny gold border and a kill tracker, I ain’t using it even though it might be top of the meta
explosive rounds damage doesn't get reduced across range where as on pali because it doesn't have explosive rounds you see its primary damage drop by a lot across range. Also there is a light-weight shotty in the energy slot called seventh seraph cqc, that's what i use with fatebringer timelost till i get found verdict timelost
In my personal opinion, it's dependent on what you're most comfortable with. Both Pali and Fate are one of the best hand cannons that I've used (both in D1 and in D2), but in all honesty, it comes down to what you like more. Sure, both guns are good, and both have some crazy stats that make them one of the best HC's in the game, but if you're not feeling one or the other, you don't gotta conform to it, yknow? Play to what makes your heart feel good, and enjoy yourself. Bottom line is: If you enjoy it, use it. Don't let others say what you can and can't do/use.
They're both best in slot because they each have different pairings even though Fatebringer overall has better pairings considering the variety of energy specials you can use. Base statswise here is the difference: - Range = 4 (Point to Pali) - Stability = 1 (Null because it's too small of a difference, but would go to Pali) - Handling = 5 (Point to Fate) - Reload Speed = 2 (Null because it's too small of a difference, but would go to Fate) - Aim Assistance = 5 (Point to Fate) - Recoil Direction & Intensity = 0 (Null) - Magazine Size = 0 (Null) - Perks = Null (Tbh, it's Null because they both have Range increase Perks and damage perks; BUT...Explosive Payload grants unlimited range because of 1/3 split damage & 35% flinch but Rangefinder on Pali helps the AA & Accuracy cones) - Feeling-wise = Null (As both are great feeling) - Sound-wise = Null (they have the same shooting sound) - Aesthetic = Null (Both are great)
ive done 31 gm's, still no got no roll with rangefinder. best roll i got one was killing wind / one for all. this week has been a pain for me trying to get the godroll palindrome.
I know exactly what happened to that guy at 5:46. Pets. I've been there before. My cat will come over and just headbutt my shoulder or elbow and throw my aim to the side, or my dog will come over and pull my entire arm down to get my attention.
The problem with having guns that are as good as these two is that pretty much every other gun you have is just not worth using anymore because these guns have better stats in every category.
Dude I’m never not gonna be amazed at ur ability to track different enemies, know their class, weapons, when they’re gonna push and wether or not their circumcised. I don’t understand how u can have this much game sense
I really like the games against better players! It's fun seeing you slay out, but I prefer seeing how you and the enemy adapt and okay out your tactics against each other.
Explosive payload just throws my aim off so much. Idk how people use it, Pali feels so much cleaner. I REALLY like my adept Uzume tho so I hope Eyasluna can compete. Would be sick
The reason waking vigil is so bad compared to the palindrome is that waking vigil was a 150 but 150s got changed to 140 rpm and bungie kept all other stats on 150s the same. So the old 150s that are now also 140s have low range and medium stability with high handeling and thus are worse than normal 140 rpm handcannons.
Wallah, the real God rolls accepted by other D2tubers and the community are these for PvP: - Timelost Fatebringer = Fluted, Accurized, Explosive, EotS with a Range MW. - Adept Palindrome = Fluted, High Cal, Quickdraw/Killing Wind, Rangefinder with a Range MW. The reason why Fluted for both is because with Fluted and the bonus from the MW to all stats makes you Stability in the sweetspot zone for handcannons.
palindrome will have more range due to rangefinder, exposive rounds is just little additional damage that doesn't drop off. The issue is that this does not affect bullet magnetism or anything regarding actual range, so palindrome has better range and better actual range.
0:20 I really wish they’d update the stats on the previous 150s into the stats of a 140. Its ridiculous that bungie only changed their rpm instead of there stat distribution also. SMH.
I recently got my timelost fate and feel the same about the 2 guns, my fates got explosive with opening shot while my Pali got killing wind and range, so I feel like my fate hits first shot more and staggers them so I take less hits while my Pali feels like i hit headshots more at longer range. But I love my fate cause of how classic it is but both are crazy good, I use duality with fate and chaperone with Pali
Yup that’s how I feel about my brother. He rolled EP/Opening Shot Fatebringer last night and he already had the god roll Pali. IMO Fatebringer is better
@@DonRobertoDeMuerte I actually mid read what you put. When you said “that guy” I thought you were referring to wallah that’s my bad yeah you right that rng is nutty
I just had to ask, which jump were you using in this video, High Jump or Triple Jump? Strange to see a Hunter in the air so much, but using it so well. Great video as always, keep up the good work mate.
Explosive payload itself has no falloff. So the falloff only affects the chunk damage. I just like it. I tried Pali but it just doesn't feel good to me.
@@ABlackGuyAdept Yeah, ultimately it's personal preference. I just haven't been able to find anything that lists how much EP adds to the three tap range, I know the chunk damage has no fall off.
When comparing the 2 adept versions there’s really no point in comparing the range before EP considering it’s not possible to get a FB (TL) without EP lol
@@PulzarGaming I know, my point is that no range calculators I've been able to find can account for EP. Fatebringer with a decent range roll hovers around 33-34m of range before damage fall off and, more importantly, without taking EP into account (because it has the same range stat as a well-rolled pally at that point) but rangefinder bumps the pally up to 36-37 meters when it has the same range stat.
They’re better than exotics in certain ways, both more stable than Ace, both pittance Thorn, both can have icarus grip etc Obviously the exotics have their own unique benefits but just because these are legendary doesn’t mean they’re worse
@@I-am-Ranb0 of course, agree with you 100% but like you said those exotics that do have good unique benefits like say ace with mori i feel its more consistent (for me)
Fatebringer with Explosive Payload is pretty good for dealing chip damage and pressuring opponents who are behind cover, and is a bit easier on you once you're actually out of the optimal range. Palindrome specifically excels in duels due to Rangefinder. So basically one is much more well-rounded and has additionally utility while the other one has slightly better performance in the main avenue of its weapon archetype.
Fatebringer adds extra flinch with EP. Pali with rangefinder flinches harder because of the zoom. Bc of this I use Fatebringer more than my god rolled Pali.
High Cal is better for dueling but since you lose that stability boost you would want smallbore to give some of that back without losing too much range.
i agree with your sentiment in the beginning. these two pretty much nullify all other available 140s right now besides the exotics, and even some of them are dumped on stat-wise. i kinda can't believe they put these two i nthe game with stats like these, and haven't even mentioned bringing them down a little or buffing ANY of the other 140s up even a little
In my opinion its hard to say which one of these 2 hand cannons is better i mean i like my explosive payload, kill clip Timelost Fate Bringer so much i have hard time not using it when i use a hand cannon and i like the fact that i can pair it with my Adept Uzume on the other hand Palindrome can pair with things like Eye Of Sol .... In my opinion these hand cannon's are complete equals 1 is not really better than the other they are both stat beasts that feel amazing when they are used.
Was lucky to get a timelost Fatebringer this weekend - hammer forged, accurized w/ tunnel vision and eye of the storm , i cant bring myself to put it down its so good. Also farmed a few pallis this weekend - best roll i got was corkscew, ricochet w/ subsitence and range finger and outlaw on another. Havent had a chance to try it out in PVP just yet but very curious after this video. Its going to be hard to beat that time lost though.
I have an adept pali with full bore, flared, range masterwork and range mod, it’s pretty great, my bottom dollar has opening shot, rangefinder, flared n smallbore it’s also great
The only thing I know is I swap between the 2 and pair them with chaperone, le monarque, jotun, sometimes lord of wolves, hell sometimes witherhoard. But lately I have been loving sunshot so they aren't seeing as much love but they are both incredible and no matter which you like you're right its good.
there are videos out there, more than a handful, telling you that it is important for these handcannons to get 68 stability or higher. Mathematically the firing pattern drastically changes when you get to 68 which makes the weapon a lot easier to use. Unless you get these stats you dont have a god roll, imao
I have an identical roll to the fatebringer you have in the vid, and it is unbelievably cracked. Gotta go with that over Pali, even tho it has zero recoil
In regards to the “Which one has more range?” Question, it’s basically a tie. Rangefinder gives Palindrome the edge because it will start to drop off later than the Fatebringer, but explosive rounds will give Fatebringer an easier time once you’re* out of range. IMO, it depends on the map and what special weapon you want to use to pick one* over the other.
I personally don’t like Fatebringer's perk Pool outside of Eye of the Storm, but I’m really praying for Eyasluna to be INSANE and have both Eye of the storm and Rangefinder together just like Austringer used to.
Explosive rounds doesn't extend the aim assist/magnetism dropoff. It's not just a normal range boost like a lot of people think.
When is Eyasluna coming?
@@imjlu with “easier time” I wasn’t talking about aim assist or accuracy whatsoever, I know that Explosive Rounds doesn’t help those things at all. But it does help to have a higher damage floor. Palindrome at the damage floor hits 24 crit damage, and IIRC, Fatebringer's with Explosive Rounds hits 30 crit damage.
@@unkkit151 This December, with the 30th Anniversary event. :D
Just a heads up i went on to d2gunsmith and figured out between the Timelost Fatebringer and The Palindrome adept which 1 has more range..... The max range roll for the Timelost Fatebringer can hit 92 range with an adept range mod on and The max range roll for Palindrome Adept can hit 91 so literally timelost fatebringer edges out palendrom adept by only 1 range statistically.
use more games like the one against better players I really enjoy watching how you play against better players
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Agreed
Couldn’t agree more
Yes. Him pubstomping people kinda gets really boring after a few videos.
@@scottshim679 i still enjoy his goofy commentary but it’s cool to see how he analyzes better opponents
"The guy who had a 4.0 ended up ragequitting"
That's the only reason he has a 4.0 lmao
Yup. A good KD doesnt always mean the players at the level that number states. Players quit unfair games due to wide skill discrepancies, which i dont blame them for at all. Cos obviously Dont play in any game clearly weighted so heavily & unfairly against you. Well, Unless youre just stupid lol.
but say an average player for example were to quit shit tons of actual fair games after playing well for i dunno two minutes, his KD would eventually go up to a number that doesnt actually reflect his true skill.
That 4.0 player is likely actually a 3.0 player if he quits fair games all the time. Still a very, *very* good player, but not as good as the KD suggests.
I think when it comes to these 2, feel alone is the most important thing. The sight, the model, the sounds, it’s all important to what we become attached to. At the end of the day, sure pali may have more range, or fatebringer may have more lethality, but 10 times out of 10 I’m gonna use the one that feels the best to me. Even if a gun is statistically good, if it doesn’t feel good than it’s all for nothing
Paper and perspectives.
You're a true gamer my friend
pali feels the best to me even with a trash roll i can easy three tap without a problem
@@Christoofrosty thank you 😎
Statistically these are just so close... I'm glad Bungie made them so even.
An important thing to note for controllers is that explosive rounds doesn’t extend the range of stickiness, while rangefinder does
I have a God Roll of both Hand Cannons with those exact rolls.
I feel Fatebringer is the better HC because the flinch is greater.
And this comes from Palindrome’s #1 fan.
I completely agree, I think the amount of flinch and annoyance Fatebringer has is what separates the two. Yeah range finder is good in range finder moments but Timelost Fatebringer just has that extra hit disturbance that can’t be beat.
I would say it largely depends on the perks each has, and how it feels for a particular player
I absolutely love explosive payload. the flinch it gives is awesome. I wish there was a solid legendary energy handcannon with it
doesnt bottom dollar roll with it
Yes you can roll rangefinder and explosive payload
Annual skate can get timed, which is similar
Eyasluna is gonna roll Ex payload and rangefinder. I can feel it. Trust.
Nation of beats has explosive payload opening shot
I've been messing around with both my Timelost Fatebringer and Adept Pali in trials this weekend. Yeah, I agree with you, it's hard to choose. For me, Adept Pali edges out ever so SLIGHTLY cause of it's thinner/smaller gun model. Depending on which shader I use (DO NOT USE GAMBIT JADESTONE. Looks good, but it hurts the eyes lol), the flashlight on Fatebringer can be a bit annoying.
personally i think it's highly dependent on what special you want to use, one is energy, the other is kinetic. both s tier options for their slots. i dont think one is better then the other since they take different slots
I completely agree with you. Both options feel extremely good and BOTH are S-tier weapons period. It comes down to personal setup and preference. I hate when people try to say “one is better than the other” when they are in separate slots. i love having the option to choose.
There is a very good video from Gjerda that goes into insane depth about this topic and I think the end result came down to fatebringer (timelost) being best just because of its farming method.
For sure easier but the change that makes all platinum GM runs award an adept drop does help get palindrome
definitely more interesting seeing u fight people who actually shoot back xd, and can also hit shots
You can't compare with range stat on 2 different archetypes because it's only relevant against others in the same archetype. It's like a sniper with half a bar of range will still out range any gun that isn't a sniper. So I'm pretty sure all 120s have more range on average than 140s 🤷
Fatebringer and palindrome are both 140 hand cannons , so what do you mean?
@@peevan ah that’s whT he was referring to , got it 👌🏾
@@peevan I was lost too but luckily figured it out 😂
@@peevan bruh
I was about to comment this same thing
I see why you compared the range stats but 120s and 140s range stats work differently for some odd reason
That’s true was a stupid comparison lol
Ah yes my favorite hand cannon found verdict lol
1:12
“and for the timelost found verdict” xd
xd
You blowing up on YT is a prime example of why sweats should upload more and give their thoughts on the game.
You're showing people that not everyone is a toxic pos. Love the content man
Call me crazy but I honestly would take Dire over both of these, even though the stats aren’t as good. Sometimes it just feels like you literally can’t miss with dire it just feels so smooth
Crazy.
@Mountaintop yeah dire feels awful on old gen but its probably my favourite hand cannon on pc
@Mountaintop that and dire has like 90 base aim assist compared to all other 140’s. So practically the easiest HC to use imo, which is why I don’t like it.
@@beloved6969 really? Im on ps4 and idk why but dire feels crispy asf for me, maybe its cause i got a god roll but it dosent kick that much
@@lele_goof yeah the roll probably helps alot. It just never seemed to click with me
I’m anticipating Eyasluna taking over the Meta in December XD
Watch them give it the comedian treatment and give it only pve rolls🤣
Ace is spades will still be really good but if they bring out a thorn catalyst, i think it will rise higher in use
This is my wish
@@Woggy07 i still like thorn better because of it’s quick and magnetic feel, also legendary hand cannons are only used because of icarus, ace is so good on paper tho
@@Zaycy the only reason I said thorn would get used more if it got a catalyst is because personally, if I doesn’t have a shiny gold border and a kill tracker, I ain’t using it even though it might be top of the meta
I just got my first time lost fatebringer today explosive payload and firefly or eye of the storm. It’s so good.
Haven't got a great Pali but I'm in love with my timelost fatebringer, if it only had eye of the storm(I'll take the opening shot tho)
Thats actually funny 15:03
"I only have 3 Bullets and a dream" haha
explosive rounds damage doesn't get reduced across range where as on pali because it doesn't have explosive rounds you see its primary damage drop by a lot across range. Also there is a light-weight shotty in the energy slot called seventh seraph cqc, that's what i use with fatebringer timelost till i get found verdict timelost
AYO 1:13 "timelost found verdict" sussy baka energy
Jim moment
@@SayWallahBruh ye
0:27 Waking vigil looks good though
In my personal opinion, it's dependent on what you're most comfortable with. Both Pali and Fate are one of the best hand cannons that I've used (both in D1 and in D2), but in all honesty, it comes down to what you like more. Sure, both guns are good, and both have some crazy stats that make them one of the best HC's in the game, but if you're not feeling one or the other, you don't gotta conform to it, yknow? Play to what makes your heart feel good, and enjoy yourself.
Bottom line is: If you enjoy it, use it. Don't let others say what you can and can't do/use.
They're both best in slot because they each have different pairings even though Fatebringer overall has better pairings considering the variety of energy specials you can use.
Base statswise here is the difference:
- Range = 4 (Point to Pali)
- Stability = 1 (Null because it's too small of a difference, but would go to Pali)
- Handling = 5 (Point to Fate)
- Reload Speed = 2 (Null because it's too small of a difference, but would go to Fate)
- Aim Assistance = 5 (Point to Fate)
- Recoil Direction & Intensity = 0 (Null)
- Magazine Size = 0 (Null)
- Perks = Null (Tbh, it's Null because they both have Range increase Perks and damage perks; BUT...Explosive Payload grants unlimited range because of 1/3 split damage & 35% flinch but Rangefinder on Pali helps the AA & Accuracy cones)
- Feeling-wise = Null (As both are great feeling)
- Sound-wise = Null (they have the same shooting sound)
- Aesthetic = Null (Both are great)
ive done 31 gm's, still no got no roll with rangefinder. best roll i got one was killing wind / one for all. this week has been a pain for me trying to get the godroll palindrome.
I know exactly what happened to that guy at 5:46. Pets. I've been there before.
My cat will come over and just headbutt my shoulder or elbow and throw my aim to the side, or my dog will come over and pull my entire arm down to get my attention.
The problem with having guns that are as good as these two is that pretty much every other gun you have is just not worth using anymore because these guns have better stats in every category.
Dude I’m never not gonna be amazed at ur ability to track different enemies, know their class, weapons, when they’re gonna push and wether or not their circumcised. I don’t understand how u can have this much game sense
I really like the games against better players! It's fun seeing you slay out, but I prefer seeing how you and the enemy adapt and okay out your tactics against each other.
the guy at 10:26 who missed you in a hallway with a rocket launcher and the lord of the wolves 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dude the close games are way more informative than steam rolling games. Good shit
Sound and feel over anything handling is most important to me that’s why I still use dire
Better players is always better that you curb stomping new lighters with risk runner
Explosive payload just throws my aim off so much. Idk how people use it, Pali feels so much cleaner. I REALLY like my adept Uzume tho so I hope Eyasluna can compete. Would be sick
This. I need to feel that 70 to the head to get satisfying feedback of the gun hitting my target, otherwise it doesn't feel as good.
Now one is energy and one is kinetic. Both are well best in spot it just comes down to what energy you're using
Pali feels like gold.
I needed this video, thank you good sir!!
The reason waking vigil is so bad compared to the palindrome is that waking vigil was a 150 but 150s got changed to 140 rpm and bungie kept all other stats on 150s the same. So the old 150s that are now also 140s have low range and medium stability with high handeling and thus are worse than normal 140 rpm handcannons.
i love wallahs commentary he's like yeah the pali feels really good, hold on my heads itchy.
In Bungies defence, this is what happens without sunsetting. Power creep becomes a massive thing
Wallah, the real God rolls accepted by other D2tubers and the community are these for PvP:
- Timelost Fatebringer = Fluted, Accurized, Explosive, EotS with a Range MW.
- Adept Palindrome = Fluted, High Cal, Quickdraw/Killing Wind, Rangefinder with a Range MW.
The reason why Fluted for both is because with Fluted and the bonus from the MW to all stats makes you Stability in the sweetspot zone for handcannons.
The most important thing, they’re in different slots! Just run both 😂
I really love my Timelost Fatebringer…finally got it this week!
1:12 ah yes, the timelost found verdict
What I learnt from the Pali game: nice shots coming in 😎
palindrome will have more range due to rangefinder, exposive rounds is just little additional damage that doesn't drop off. The issue is that this does not affect bullet magnetism or anything regarding actual range, so palindrome has better range and better actual range.
0:20 I really wish they’d update the stats on the previous 150s into the stats of a 140. Its ridiculous that bungie only changed their rpm instead of there stat distribution also. SMH.
Anyone else notice how 3 shot golden gun looks like Eyasluna
I have a god roll adept astral which feels nice for me, and i have 4/5 adept palis and it annoys me that they're all missing rangefinder 😔
"My heads itchy" amazing call out lmaooo
can you do a review on Rose Wallah? The best feeling handcannon in the game that bungie decided to drop the Nope button on.
it needs to be brung back
i love rose and yes it feels so good on console, 🥀 is probably my favorite handcannon ever
@@dream8870 I don't have it lol. But it sounds amazing. And it would just be the sickest weapon in the entire game if it was brought back
@@dream8870 I would not care if it was still sunset just let me use it in 6v6.
Frenzy on a fate bringer actually goes crazy in trials
“i think this is the lord of wolves, so we’re going to back it up just a little bit” *disappears into the sunset*
slowed down version of this video is hilarious and educational
I recently got my timelost fate and feel the same about the 2 guns, my fates got explosive with opening shot while my Pali got killing wind and range, so I feel like my fate hits first shot more and staggers them so I take less hits while my Pali feels like i hit headshots more at longer range.
But I love my fate cause of how classic it is but both are crazy good, I use duality with fate and chaperone with Pali
Good thing i kept my old Surplus, Elemental, Full-choke, accurized astral to use with Pali.
It’s nuts that that guy has literally the best rolls on both those handcannons lmao.
Yup that’s how I feel about my brother. He rolled EP/Opening Shot Fatebringer last night and he already had the god roll Pali. IMO Fatebringer is better
He’s not on his account… he uses others to use the god rolls silly goose
@@Ajak1033 well I understand that, but I mean that account literally has the best rolls on both guns is amazing rng.
@@DonRobertoDeMuerte I actually mid read what you put. When you said “that guy” I thought you were referring to wallah that’s my bad yeah you right that rng is nutty
I’d love to see you do a video on wishender
Did you know that waking vigil used to be a lightweight frame and those lightweights had lesser range stat than the adaptives
6:37 why you are one of the best players on the game … outstanding train of thought
I just had to ask, which jump were you using in this video, High Jump or Triple Jump? Strange to see a Hunter in the air so much, but using it so well. Great video as always, keep up the good work mate.
Me: *laughs in ancient gospel god roll*
Before explosive payload the Pally has 3~3.5 extra meters of range on FB but I've never been able to find a range calculator that lists EP.
Explosive payload itself has no falloff. So the falloff only affects the chunk damage. I just like it. I tried Pali but it just doesn't feel good to me.
@@ABlackGuyAdept Yeah, ultimately it's personal preference. I just haven't been able to find anything that lists how much EP adds to the three tap range, I know the chunk damage has no fall off.
When comparing the 2 adept versions there’s really no point in comparing the range before EP considering it’s not possible to get a FB (TL) without EP lol
@@PulzarGaming I know, my point is that no range calculators I've been able to find can account for EP. Fatebringer with a decent range roll hovers around 33-34m of range before damage fall off and, more importantly, without taking EP into account (because it has the same range stat as a well-rolled pally at that point) but rangefinder bumps the pally up to 36-37 meters when it has the same range stat.
Might as well grind for both, so you can swap whenever convenient. Outside of exotics, these are the top-down HCs.
They’re better than exotics in certain ways, both more stable than Ace, both pittance Thorn, both can have icarus grip etc
Obviously the exotics have their own unique benefits but just because these are legendary doesn’t mean they’re worse
@@I-am-Ranb0 of course, agree with you 100% but like you said those exotics that do have good unique benefits like say ace with mori i feel its more consistent (for me)
Fatebringer with Explosive Payload is pretty good for dealing chip damage and pressuring opponents who are behind cover, and is a bit easier on you once you're actually out of the optimal range. Palindrome specifically excels in duels due to Rangefinder. So basically one is much more well-rounded and has additionally utility while the other one has slightly better performance in the main avenue of its weapon archetype.
I wouldn't play it myself but a competitive Rumble playlist would make for some great TH-cams
Well the question is which slot do you want to put your special weapon and if you run divinity, izanagis, etc.
So, depends what shotgun you use then, kinetic or energy
Fatebringer adds extra flinch with EP. Pali with rangefinder flinches harder because of the zoom. Bc of this I use Fatebringer more than my god rolled Pali.
Where would you put dire promise with these two?
High Cal is better for dueling but since you lose that stability boost you would want smallbore to give some of that back without losing too much range.
Only reason I keep a waking vigil around is cause of vorpal on a 140
I ran trials a few times with assassin from the third game. He LOVES his lord of wolves
Both are good depends what you want to use with them for example Palindrome and Eye of Sol or Fatebringer and Found Verdict
Man palindrome is so beautiful
i agree with your sentiment in the beginning. these two pretty much nullify all other available 140s right now besides the exotics, and even some of them are dumped on stat-wise. i kinda can't believe they put these two i nthe game with stats like these, and haven't even mentioned bringing them down a little or buffing ANY of the other 140s up even a little
Both good. Sometimes I like chappy sometimes I like frozen orbit
Opening shot or EotS for fatebringer? Love the comparison
In my opinion its hard to say which one of these 2 hand cannons is better i mean i like my explosive payload, kill clip Timelost Fate Bringer so much i have hard time not using it when i use a hand cannon and i like the fact that i can pair it with my Adept Uzume on the other hand Palindrome can pair with things like Eye Of Sol .... In my opinion these hand cannon's are complete equals 1 is not really better than the other they are both stat beasts that feel amazing when they are used.
Fatebriger might be better but the zoom from rangefinder and the fact i can use chaperone makes pali way better for me
Was lucky to get a timelost Fatebringer this weekend - hammer forged, accurized w/ tunnel vision and eye of the storm , i cant bring myself to put it down its so good. Also farmed a few pallis this weekend - best roll i got was corkscew, ricochet w/ subsitence and range finger and outlaw on another. Havent had a chance to try it out in PVP just yet but very curious after this video. Its going to be hard to beat that time lost though.
14:35 they saved themselves by creating cover and protected themselves from shotguns. Its not like they tried to shatterdive you.
i like both. nice review
I have an adept pali with full bore, flared, range masterwork and range mod, it’s pretty great, my bottom dollar has opening shot, rangefinder, flared n smallbore it’s also great
3:40 "out ranging a dmt.." like hell you are from that range lol. even still a well rolled fatebringer is cracked af.
I like dire promise
The only thing I know is I swap between the 2 and pair them with chaperone, le monarque, jotun, sometimes lord of wolves, hell sometimes witherhoard. But lately I have been loving sunshot so they aren't seeing as much love but they are both incredible and no matter which you like you're right its good.
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They both equal good for what they are. Best kinetic Fate and best energy Pali
Is a god roll sudden death good pair with time lost?
That stat comparison between vigil and pali hurts lol.
I’m in love with my Fatebringer
Yoooo what’s that helm on your hunter
there are videos out there, more than a handful, telling you that it is important for these handcannons to get 68 stability or higher. Mathematically the firing pattern drastically changes when you get to 68 which makes the weapon a lot easier to use. Unless you get these stats you dont have a god roll, imao
whats is ur colorblind settings
“For the time lost found verdict” 1:13
I have an identical roll to the fatebringer you have in the vid, and it is unbelievably cracked. Gotta go with that over Pali, even tho it has zero recoil
Chroma rush be smackin bro, big trust