Gotta love your cinematic intros Jake, not only for the incredible camera work (which always show the best of the sim you're using, graphically speaking), but also for the passion you put when you're talking about any machinery you're using in the video.
Great stuff as always , I started a new job this week Hand building cars , cobras and Ferrari replica as well as restoration work on mostly English and Australian vintage But I’d love to build an open wheeled race car , alloy body and all Look forward to the next race
The 250F goes against all your muscle memory at first and it feels like an undrivable tractor but once you understand the rhythm of it there's a lot of fun to be had drifting it around in the sim.
Alf Francis' book provides lots of nice insights into buying, running and repairing Moss' 250f as customer, unofficial, then official driver. With lots of stories about the key Masarati people and life in the factory. Just on the small chance you haven't read it.
Well, even in real life, I have yet to read of anyone who had driven a 250F saying ill things about it... in the 1960s a British F3 racer, Charles Lucas, bought one and started racing it in historic racing (not knowing that he actually bought Fangio's 1957 Monaco GP winner). He loved racing the old car. He said that sliding it around Silverstone's Woodcote corner was a "spiritual experience, like touching the hem of God's Nomex..."
It isn't so hard driving them as it is trying to race them competitively. Personally I find the Lotus 49 one of the most fun cars to drive, but I can't lap the ring in under about 7:19. A "good" time seems to be between 6:49 and 7:00. Granted, it is faster than Jim Clark's best, but racing it in a sim requires a completely different driving style than what the real drivers used and what I can manage.
GPLaps doing a video on old Grand Prix machinery - you know it's gonny be perfect. You are the only one I even follow through Rally and other categories. But really 50's and 60's F1 stuff its where this channel's host is 2nd to none!
Lotus 49 for me, driving it on Nürburgring with a near perfect lap makes it a good day. I think i enjoy that era of F1 because my dad had a Scalextric with those cars from back in the 60s when he was a kid, fortunately i still have it.
Always had a soft spot for the 250F, the version done for Automobilista is probably my favourite iteration of it in a sim, There’s something very tactile with how the modders implemented it making it a real joy to drive.
These cars on Fat Alfie's tracks such as Feldberg , Battenberg or Deutschland Ring are definitely my favourite AI racing. I like the 6 cylinder and mix it with the 12s. They murder you on the straights but haven't got the torque through the tight sections.
There needs to be a version of this track that has the caracheola carousel in its original configuration where its like the other carousel that has the banking going down to the grass.
I love your stuff. Its rarely or never about the gear and just the purely about what makes most of us get into this in the first place. If ever im feeling burnt out or whatever, your videos always zero me to where I know I should be thinking. Thanks
I was standing behind this car ( the one fangio used to win ) that was started and reved in a stand at circuit paul-ricard ! It is extremly impressive, it also made lot's of tire screeching noise will speeding around the track together with other more modern f1 car.
I definitely wish vintage 30's and 50's gp and lemans gt/prototypes would get more love in assetto corsa. It really does seem to be a pretty neglected generation in the game. I'd say about 80-90 percent of the cars I come across from that era are just absolutely terrible. Either some simdream style ps1 era model, or a car that just doesnt drive well at all.
another great video from my favourite sim racer .... all the stuff we love .. delivered which such a sense of style starting with a classic understatement- we'll just take it out for a couple of laps .... at the 'ring ... haha brilliant!!
GP I know it's not necessarily your thing, but I'd love to see you do a video on dirt oval racing. It's such an underrated part of motorsport that never gets enough love. Keep up the good work!
That Maserati does make a nice sound, doesn't she? And on one of the very few venues in F1 that can allow a 4-3-4-3 starting grid - how many cars were there, anyway?
Love your videos man and really appreciate you sharing all the mods as well. I find myself just flicking through you videos when I can’t decide what to race and recreate one of your suggestions 🤘 keep em coming
hard agree, one of my fav sim racing cars out there. i'd put a few of the richard burns rally cars ahead of it (at least with NGP ofc) but it's prob equal to the formula ford in iracing (surprisingly cus i don't rly like iracing's feel all that much, even with irffb). certainly it's prob my favorite "circuit" car in sim racing, it's what really drew me to drive more older formula cars and they quickly became my favorite to drive.
I remember driving this car in rFactor back in mid 2018 when my PC was shit, even when i only had a keyboard, this car was really easy to get used to and drive, unlike cars from the 1937 GP mod which were impossible to drive unless it was the 2500cc ones.
I agree, it's one of my very few favorite. The RSS V8 1970 also. The Shelby Cobra Daytona also (ACL GTR mod) Probably my 3 favorites cars of all time. Maserati 250F @ Spa 66 : th-cam.com/video/i8cg7-KY4hM/w-d-xo.html "Once mastered, its pure poetry at the wheel." I can't say it better than that ! I really feel like a 50's driver in VR with this marvel. I think it was Stirling Moss who said it was the best F1 front engine he ever drove.
I doubt it... I'd guess that ScamDream only really plonked the physics on this 250F into those cars and called it a day. I'll know because I'm a member of the mod team who made the 1958 mod, which was for rFactor, before those lowlifes stole it... If you want, you can try out the original mod we made in rFactor, or the only official conversion into Automobilista, to see how we really did it.
@@JCG-Alfamonza Thank you for your work! There is no doubt your mod is better than any scam conversion, don't get me wrong. To reiterate, I only use Scamdream's conversion to have some AI to run against.
When you were talking about those grip levels is that a good rule of thumb just for classic cars?, or would that apply more broadly to more modern cars, for example GT3’s
I dont have much experience in gt3 cars, but generally modern tires have an optimal pressure/temperature. so before you warm them up you may have less grip with the older tires they generally overheat immediately and will never have “optimal” grip
For me it’s the VF Commodore Supercar on iracing. It’s now a legacy car but I race in a league that still uses it and the BF Falcon Supercar. Iracing should add a note for each update that say - We didn’t do anything to the legacy Supercars because they’re perfect. If you get a chance, have a test drive around Phillip Island as the sun comes up or goes down - it’s glorious. I must investigate assetto corsa more, but stopped AI racing when I got a PC a few years back.
I see the early version, 1954, at the Turin's car museum, absolutely gorgeous. Shorter than this version, without the intake in the hood, and with the trident in the front grill. She was alongside dozens of F1 from every era, and to me she was the most beautiful... Stunning
I'd definitely agree with you here. I've always been a fan of racing across the decades and have downloaded tons of old races, cars and so on. There's definitely a lovely feel to the 250F especially on Assetto Corsa. It's a typical old racer and difficult to get to grips with but it has a great feel that you can control once you get the hang of it. And it looks and sounds great too. I'd say it's probably my go-to car for so many tracks.
So if my favourite is the Lancia D50, are we mates or are we opponents? 😊🤝 It's a pity that Assetto Corsa doesn't have all the physics models for all old suspensions, the ORM team who made the 1965, 1958 and recently 1951 F1 mods for rFactor may consider to convert them for AC... and we'd be enjoying the most rewarding race cars ever!
Sadly, it's highly unlikely... According to our _Ingegnere,_ there's just a lot of stuff done wrong in AC's physics coding, so much so that he refused to put his work there... It's only either rFactor or Automobilista, at most, the reasoning being that even if their graphics weren't as good, at least a great deal of the physics can be modeled accurately.
@@JCG-Alfamonza hi my friend, long time we don't have a chat... I'm so low on time for simracing lately. As for the topic, yes I know and in the meantime I've had the opportunity to exchange a few words with the ingegnere as well. I was simply unable to trace all the comments I wrote about this topic and correct/delete them 😉. I keep fingers crossed for rF2 or what other simulator will collect the heritage of the beautiful works that have been with the mods for the good old rFactor 🤞
Did anyone play F1 1955 back in rFactor 1 and also this car in AC? I never played AC, but just from what I can see in videos like this, this version seems a lot more forgiving than how I remember the rFactor '55 mod. Can anyone confirm or dismiss?
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Gotta love your cinematic intros Jake, not only for the incredible camera work (which always show the best of the sim you're using, graphically speaking), but also for the passion you put when you're talking about any machinery you're using in the video.
Great stuff as always , I started a new job this week
Hand building cars , cobras and Ferrari replica as well as restoration work on mostly English and Australian vintage
But I’d love to build an open wheeled race car , alloy body and all
Look forward to the next race
Sounds like an awesome job mate, good luck.
‘50es racing is so under-represented in simracing, it’s a real shame
Peril and powerslides. And a stunning car.
The aesthetic of a GPLaps video is often like nothing else.
Hey, I know you from the Nürburgring livestreams!
The 250F goes against all your muscle memory at first and it feels like an undrivable tractor but once you understand the rhythm of it there's a lot of fun to be had drifting it around in the sim.
Alf Francis' book provides lots of nice insights into buying, running and repairing Moss' 250f as customer, unofficial, then official driver. With lots of stories about the key Masarati people and life in the factory.
Just on the small chance you haven't read it.
I love these vids with a little history lesson. I really feel like it’s a unique lane in the TH-cam racing sim pantheon.
Well, even in real life, I have yet to read of anyone who had driven a 250F saying ill things about it...
in the 1960s a British F3 racer, Charles Lucas, bought one and started racing it in historic racing (not knowing that he actually bought Fangio's 1957 Monaco GP winner). He loved racing the old car. He said that sliding it around Silverstone's Woodcote corner was a "spiritual experience, like touching the hem of God's Nomex..."
It doesn't matter how hard I try, I ALWAYS end up in the scenery trying to drive these cars😂
It isn't so hard driving them as it is trying to race them competitively. Personally I find the Lotus 49 one of the most fun cars to drive, but I can't lap the ring in under about 7:19. A "good" time seems to be between 6:49 and 7:00. Granted, it is faster than Jim Clark's best, but racing it in a sim requires a completely different driving style than what the real drivers used and what I can manage.
GPLaps doing a video on old Grand Prix machinery - you know it's gonny be perfect.
You are the only one I even follow through Rally and other categories. But really 50's and 60's F1 stuff its where this channel's host is 2nd to none!
For me it's the Lola T70, or the Pantera GT4. But for a very addictive modern car, the VRC TA2 cars are just hours of lapping fun.
Lotus 49 for me, driving it on Nürburgring with a near perfect lap makes it a good day. I think i enjoy that era of F1 because my dad had a Scalextric with those cars from back in the 60s when he was a kid, fortunately i still have it.
Perfection, sim racing and racing history education with Jake for my Friday lunch. And congrats on your recent news too!
Can you do a ford gt40 mk2 nordschleife lap? Specifically with the ken miles le mans livery
Always had a soft spot for the 250F, the version done for Automobilista is probably my favourite iteration of it in a sim, There’s something very tactile with how the modders implemented it making it a real joy to drive.
How have you increased the fade out time after crossing the finish line where you can control the car? This is such a nice touch to improve immersion!
Its an option in custom shaders patch, “cool down lap” or something similar. Definitely agree it increases immersion!
This era of fórmula 1 is beyond stylish, is raw but smooth, "untalked" but remembered, just legendary...
These cars on Fat Alfie's tracks such as Feldberg , Battenberg or Deutschland Ring are definitely my favourite AI racing. I like the 6 cylinder and mix it with the 12s. They murder you on the straights but haven't got the torque through the tight sections.
There needs to be a version of this track that has the caracheola carousel in its original configuration where its like the other carousel that has the banking going down to the grass.
As always, you deserve 10x more followers.
I also think that this car is the best thing on AC and wish more content from this era (and, specially, pre-WW2) is released for any sim. Cheers!
I love your stuff. Its rarely or never about the gear and just the purely about what makes most of us get into this in the first place. If ever im feeling burnt out or whatever, your videos always zero me to where I know I should be thinking. Thanks
I was standing behind this car ( the one fangio used to win ) that was started and reved in a stand at circuit paul-ricard ! It is extremly impressive, it also made lot's of tire screeching noise will speeding around the track together with other more modern f1 car.
WHAT FUN !!! Beautiful car . Thanx for taking us aloing GPLAPS / always a GOOD TIME !!!!!!!! 😊😊😊
I definitely wish vintage 30's and 50's gp and lemans gt/prototypes would get more love in assetto corsa. It really does seem to be a pretty neglected generation in the game. I'd say about 80-90 percent of the cars I come across from that era are just absolutely terrible. Either some simdream style ps1 era model, or a car that just doesnt drive well at all.
You videos are truly one-of-a-kind... and you always suit my taste! 😊
This car and any Fat-Alfie track 👊🤘
still one of the best gp laps videos... a shame wo got no visual of you and the pedals ;)
another great video from my favourite sim racer .... all the stuff we love .. delivered which such a sense of style starting with a classic understatement- we'll just take it out for a couple of laps .... at the 'ring ... haha brilliant!!
Great vid dude!! havent taken this car out in a looong time, now i gotta load it back up
Imagine driving it IRL...what a dream.
GP I know it's not necessarily your thing, but I'd love to see you do a video on dirt oval racing. It's such an underrated part of motorsport that never gets enough love. Keep up the good work!
That Maserati does make a nice sound, doesn't she? And on one of the very few venues in F1 that can allow a 4-3-4-3 starting grid - how many cars were there, anyway?
Love your videos man and really appreciate you sharing all the mods as well. I find myself just flicking through you videos when I can’t decide what to race and recreate one of your suggestions 🤘 keep em coming
hard agree, one of my fav sim racing cars out there. i'd put a few of the richard burns rally cars ahead of it (at least with NGP ofc) but it's prob equal to the formula ford in iracing (surprisingly cus i don't rly like iracing's feel all that much, even with irffb). certainly it's prob my favorite "circuit" car in sim racing, it's what really drew me to drive more older formula cars and they quickly became my favorite to drive.
This is what simracing need to have. I mean, OK modern racing is needed but we need to see / know how it was in past... to see how hard it was in past
I remember driving this car in rFactor back in mid 2018 when my PC was shit, even when i only had a keyboard, this car was really easy to get used to and drive, unlike cars from the 1937 GP mod which were impossible to drive unless it was the 2500cc ones.
Well, there's the 1958 mod for rFactor and Automobilista, plenty of 250Fs to choose from there!
been driving this car yesterday and today so amazing timing Jake
I agree, it's one of my very few favorite.
The RSS V8 1970 also.
The Shelby Cobra Daytona also (ACL GTR mod)
Probably my 3 favorites cars of all time.
Maserati 250F @ Spa 66 : th-cam.com/video/i8cg7-KY4hM/w-d-xo.html
"Once mastered, its pure poetry at the wheel."
I can't say it better than that !
I really feel like a 50's driver in VR with this marvel.
I think it was Stirling Moss who said it was the best F1 front engine he ever drove.
This car against the 1958 Grand Prix kindly provided by Scamdream is the perfect sim racing combination.
I doubt it...
I'd guess that ScamDream only really plonked the physics on this 250F into those cars and called it a day.
I'll know because I'm a member of the mod team who made the 1958 mod, which was for rFactor, before those lowlifes stole it...
If you want, you can try out the original mod we made in rFactor, or the only official conversion into Automobilista, to see how we really did it.
@@JCG-Alfamonza
Thank you for your work! There is no doubt your mod is better than any scam conversion, don't get me wrong.
To reiterate, I only use Scamdream's conversion to have some AI to run against.
After seeing Jimmer's video on the V12 version I gave the 6 cyl one a run and absolutely adore this car. It just drives so well.
Nice clean driving ;-)
Flawless video, sharing a nice moment on the nurb in a nice car, driven to perfection, and put into good use
Bliss !!
love your stuff really appreciate the history you provide for cars and tracks.
When you were talking about those grip levels is that a good rule of thumb just for classic cars?, or would that apply more broadly to more modern cars, for example GT3’s
I dont have much experience in gt3 cars, but generally modern tires have an optimal pressure/temperature. so before you warm them up you may have less grip
with the older tires they generally overheat immediately and will never have “optimal” grip
@@GPLaps: 1950's tyres: " 'Grip'? What's that? Never heard of it!"
Another great video fellow Sim racer!
I’d love to see you race a jag d type. It’s my favourite car and I have it in gt7, but it sounds awful in it.
Awesome. Nice job showcasing both the car and the track! 😊
Day 5 of asking GPLaps to do a video about F1 Challenge VB
The 250f v12 made me understand how you were supposed to drive those old ladys and i loved it but today my got to is 718 rs spyder 60
It's not my favorite car in AC bur it's up there. So fun pretending to be Fangio at Nurby.
Seeing this just makes me think of the race where Fangio took on the Ferraris and smashed the lap record over and over again
Have you thought about being a sportscaster? You have an announcer voice and it would be awesome to hear you call indy races.
Same car, Deutschlandring, fantastic.
I do wonder how it'd feel with the pedals correctly replicated too, seeing as it had a rather strange arrangement for them iirc
This car at old Doningtin is a favourite of mine
Got to have fire in the heart and a steel pair to drive these for real. Nice vid 👍
They didn't have launch control in the '50s...
Do they have it nowadays?
And they still don't today.
Just telling this if you don't know if you know who one of the drivers was for that car Carroll Shelby you'll find out he didn't drive that car
Carroll Shelby raced these 250Fs, first in 1955 as a works driver, and in 1958 as a driver for the Scuderia Centro Sud team.
For me it’s the VF Commodore Supercar on iracing. It’s now a legacy car but I race in a league that still uses it and the BF Falcon Supercar.
Iracing should add a note for each update that say - We didn’t do anything to the legacy Supercars because they’re perfect.
If you get a chance, have a test drive around Phillip Island as the sun comes up or goes down - it’s glorious.
I must investigate assetto corsa more, but stopped AI racing when I got a PC a few years back.
I see the early version, 1954, at the Turin's car museum, absolutely gorgeous.
Shorter than this version, without the intake in the hood, and with the trident in the front grill.
She was alongside dozens of F1 from every era, and to me she was the most beautiful... Stunning
I'd definitely agree with you here.
I've always been a fan of racing across the decades and have downloaded tons of old races, cars and so on. There's definitely a lovely feel to the 250F especially on Assetto Corsa. It's a typical old racer and difficult to get to grips with but it has a great feel that you can control once you get the hang of it. And it looks and sounds great too.
I'd say it's probably my go-to car for so many tracks.
These occasional moving camera angles... Reminds me of GT4s camera work. And that's never a bad thing!
First time I've ever seen a chicane-less Hohenrain version of the Nurburgring simulated.
Real passion!
So if my favourite is the Lancia D50, are we mates or are we opponents? 😊🤝
It's a pity that Assetto Corsa doesn't have all the physics models for all old suspensions, the ORM team who made the 1965, 1958 and recently 1951 F1 mods for rFactor may consider to convert them for AC... and we'd be enjoying the most rewarding race cars ever!
Sadly, it's highly unlikely...
According to our _Ingegnere,_ there's just a lot of stuff done wrong in AC's physics coding, so much so that he refused to put his work there...
It's only either rFactor or Automobilista, at most, the reasoning being that even if their graphics weren't as good, at least a great deal of the physics can be modeled accurately.
@@JCG-Alfamonza hi my friend, long time we don't have a chat... I'm so low on time for simracing lately.
As for the topic, yes I know and in the meantime I've had the opportunity to exchange a few words with the ingegnere as well. I was simply unable to trace all the comments I wrote about this topic and correct/delete them 😉.
I keep fingers crossed for rF2 or what other simulator will collect the heritage of the beautiful works that have been with the mods for the good old rFactor 🤞
I too love the older cars, if I made a vid like this it would have to be the Alfa GTA ❤️
HRRC League #2 with this car . ....... just throwing it out there :)
Did anyone play F1 1955 back in rFactor 1 and also this car in AC?
I never played AC, but just from what I can see in videos like this, this version seems a lot more forgiving than how I remember the rFactor '55 mod.
Can anyone confirm or dismiss?
Its a lot more forgiving in Assetto Corsa. Not sure whats more realistic, but the rfactor mod felt too difficult in my opinion
@@GPLaps interesting! Might be my negative bias that I expected the more difficult mod to also be the more realistic one... thank you!
Well, you can also compare them to our 1958 and 1951 Formula 1 mod for rFactor... if you like...
Nice!