Brilliant quote by Sir Stirling there "When you were on the straights, you were checking your instruments looking for girls and all that sort of stuff" great stuff..
170mph. In 1958. No wings. Or seatbelts. With the pedals the wrong way round. But balls to help keep the car glued to the track. They were all bally heroes.
@@bigredracingdog466 I doubt it; tubular space frames are very stiff and, anyway, the car was famous for its beautiful handling - as Moss says in the clip. Nonetheless, the inner front wheel shouldn't do that, so it's possible the suspension is set up incorrectly.
@@shanehnorman I've seen these early F1 frames close up and some of those tubes were as big around as your thumb. There was only minimal triangulation. Weight was more of an enemy to them than lack of stiffness. In 1962 the Lotus 25's monocoque chassis solved the flexing problem inherent in those early tube designs. The 25's chassis was 3x stiffer than the tube-frame Lotus 24 and weighed half as much. As for lifting its inside front wheel in tight turns, search for the article "Watch a 1958 Maserati 250F Race Car Drift Through the Streets of Monaco," by James Gilboy.
@@shanehnorman I'm not sure why my posts keep disappearing. The front wheel lift was normal for the 250f. The Lotus 25 introduced the monocoque chassis to F1 in 1962. It was 4x stiffer than tube-framed cars and F1 never went back to the tube frames.
Lifting the inside front wheel does not indicate a flexy chassis - the opposite. In fact. The wheel lifts under a combination of cornering and acceleration because in those days they set up cars with stiff front suspension and soft rear springing in order to maximize traction at the back wheels. Front wheel drive racers sometimes lift the inside rear for a similar reason.
"moss obliterated front engined cars in 1957-1958" yet in 1957 it was fangio who won the championship with a 250 f and the following year hawthorn in a ferrari 246 f1 which were both front engined.
+Adam Othman That's right, then it was Jack Brabham who won two F1 World Championships in a row driving a rear engine car, the first to do so. Makes you wonder if the makers of these films do any research.
ihopetowin well if the last time this car won a championship was in 1957, after that it was hawthorn in a ferrari 246 f1 in 58. it was really in 59 onwards that the mid engined car really took over
@elsspoel It's the Tec-Mec - built by Valerio Colotti for the 1959 season after Maserati had officially withdrawn from F1. Lighter and shorter than the earlier models and often described as being how the 1959 250F would have looked if the factory had continued development.
Intelligent and fast.Did you see him in the 2 seater demo F1 car ?he drove this with gusto (was later banned!!!).Best F1 commentator perhaps, ever.Why ?because he actually knows first hand and can relay this.Not just billy banter.
My mate Barry has pointed out that Martinis not driving a Maserati at all but the one off 1959 Tec Mec (Studio Tecnica Meccanica) F415 which was an upgraded version of the 250 F powered by a similar Maserati engine to the 250 F. It started, and retired from,one race the 1959 US Grand Prix with Fritz d'Orey a the wheel. You can clearly see the badge at 2:12 is square rather than oval as the Maserati trident badge would be.
@ultrahenk No it is not the V12. It was known in period as theTec-Mec Maserati. Made by Colotti circa 1959 and was much lighter than the actual 250F design. They were able to do this because Grand Prix races had been shortened in 1958 from 500 miles to 500 kilometres and much more standard fuel "Avgas" was used so the cars needed to carry less.
Dean Martin makes this video so good. and those cars we absolutely amazing! 3 wheeling it through most of those corners - great job Martin. much respect
For my money, JPM is hands down the greatest of all time. Started his GP career when most drivers think about retirement...championships with 4 different manufacturers...and lived. Remarkable.
It may never happen but it would be awesome to see a modern front engined f1 car and how the design would look also would be epic to see maserati return to f1 one day
Actually Stirling Moss took his racing very seriously indeed. He is referred to as the first truly professional race driver. But away from the actual racing,, yes, he definitely had an eye for the ladies....
@@paulstandeven8572 I was able to get Moss' autograph at the Canadian GP back in the 70s when I was a kid. Sir S was hanging out in the pits. My Dad would take me every year. I didn't really know who he was but anyone who saw the signature later freaked out.
A proper car and probably the most beautiful grand prix type ever built. This is actually a Tec-Mec - used to see quite a few of these at VSCC race meetings. Much, much nicer then the scalextric things they use nowadays. They should make them radio controlled so the drivers never need to leave the pits. Formula One is so boring these days, its' just not worth watching
Those were real drivers back then. Boy no room for mistakes with those race cars. It reminds me when we used wood rackets for tennis. It was a slower game but the pro were more finest players back then like these drivers.
The last time an F1 car really caught fire was at Imola in '89, after Gerhard Berger's crash. The bulging hood of the car seems to suggest that it has to house a big engine, so would this be the V12 version of the 250F?
This is a Tec Mec F415, not a Maserati 250F!!! It used the engine from the 250F but the chassis, bodywork and handling are way too different, the Maserati never turned in 3 wheels, as this unsuccessful does
I watched the full race of the 2016 Richmond Trophy at Goodwood Revival here at TH-cam, and I laughed when the commentators commented on it while the driver is battling with the driver of a Ferrari 246 Dino for second place, saying "...there's two beautiful cars, no, actually one beautiful car AND the Tec-Mec..." It is indeed not as pretty as the original run of 250Fs, not a succesful car in period as well (it only entered one race, wher it isn't competitive and retired early on) but it certainly is effective now, once sorted, as demonstrated by the three-wheeling action at corners (thanks to stiff anti-roll bars), but still cornering pretty sharp.
No you are sadly correct these are NOT to be confused with F1 cars, no egocentric drivers, lawyers and drivers, no indeterminate diffusers of dubious legal or illegal design. No arguing about races in Paris 4 weeks after a race, overtaking aplenty........no it's not F1....sadly.
Stunning Car but already a relic of a bygone era at the time. Even the light tec mec 250f couldnt compete...but WOW. Would be amazing to drive. Sort of car you'd give your left nut just for one lap. Sex on 4 wheels...often 3 wheels. Pity the engine symphony isnt a feature of the video.
Alter der Prügelt das Schätzchen aber ganz schön über den Kurs. Da wird aber nix groß an der Fahrwerksabstimmung gemacht worden sein. Denn sein füßchen darf man eigentlich nich heben heben man in die Kurve geht. ;)
This is the most godawful bastardisation of a 250F that I have ever seen. It looks hideous. Fer Chrissake, Jeremy Clarkson managed to find a classic, smooth version to drive on Top Gear. You mean to say that Brundle couldn't do the same?
Maserati 250Fs ran from 1954 and 1958. Most people remember the 1957 works car, but there were plenty of different versions. Even one with a V12, which was used to power the Cooper-Maseratis a decade later.
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Brilliant quote by Sir Stirling there "When you were on the straights, you were checking your instruments looking for girls and all that sort of stuff" great stuff..
Chasing the crumpet. Genius term.
170mph. In 1958. No wings. Or seatbelts. With the pedals the wrong way round.
But balls to help keep the car glued to the track.
They were all bally heroes.
Whilst mostly having 3 wheels on the track :-)
Love the way the front wheel lifts in corners!
Lots of chassis flex.
@@bigredracingdog466 I doubt it; tubular space frames are very stiff and, anyway, the car was famous for its beautiful handling - as Moss says in the clip. Nonetheless, the inner front wheel shouldn't do that, so it's possible the suspension is set up incorrectly.
@@shanehnorman I've seen these early F1 frames close up and some of those tubes were as big around as your thumb. There was only minimal triangulation. Weight was more of an enemy to them than lack of stiffness. In 1962 the Lotus 25's monocoque chassis solved the flexing problem inherent in those early tube designs. The 25's chassis was 3x stiffer than the tube-frame Lotus 24 and weighed half as much. As for lifting its inside front wheel in tight turns, search for the article "Watch a 1958 Maserati 250F Race Car Drift Through the Streets of Monaco," by James Gilboy.
@@shanehnorman I'm not sure why my posts keep disappearing.
The front wheel lift was normal for the 250f. The Lotus 25 introduced the monocoque chassis to F1 in 1962. It was 4x stiffer than tube-framed cars and F1 never went back to the tube frames.
Lifting the inside front wheel does not indicate a flexy chassis - the opposite. In fact. The wheel lifts under a combination of cornering and acceleration because in those days they set up cars with stiff front suspension and soft rear springing in order to maximize traction at the back wheels. Front wheel drive racers sometimes lift the inside rear for a similar reason.
This is NOT a 250f. It's a TecMec F415 designed by Valerio Colotti using 250f mechanical parts and built in his own shop.
You can relive this in Assetto Corsa
the craziest part is that assetto corsa actually recreates the 250F driving experience really accurately
It's a very hard car to drive, even slowly. Let alone taking it to the limit.
"moss obliterated front engined cars in 1957-1958" yet in 1957 it was fangio who won the championship with a 250 f and the following year hawthorn in a ferrari 246 f1 which were both front engined.
+Adam Othman That's right, then it was Jack Brabham who won two F1 World Championships in a row driving a rear engine car, the first to do so. Makes you wonder if the makers of these films do any research.
ihopetowin well if the last time this car won a championship was in 1957, after that it was hawthorn in a ferrari 246 f1 in 58. it was really in 59 onwards that the mid engined car really took over
Hawthorn only won the championship because moss protested hawthorns disqualification. True sportsmanship from moss.
I love the way he doesn't just do a lap, but really gives it a bollocking!
@elsspoel It's the Tec-Mec - built by Valerio Colotti for the 1959 season after Maserati had officially withdrawn from F1. Lighter and shorter than the earlier models and often described as being how the 1959 250F would have looked if the factory had continued development.
This car is beautiful. I love the way these grand prix cars were designed; they were, in essence, Saturn V rockets strapped to pods.
The true 250F is a gorgeous thing to behold. Absolutely the pinnacle of Grand prix design as far as aesthetics are concerned.
Beautiful sound. Unmatched even by modern cars.
Awesome to hear and watch.Gorgeous car
Well that was fun. A bit more chassis flex than I was expecting but he was giving the ol' lady a good workout.
Intelligent and fast.Did you see him in the 2 seater demo F1 car ?he drove this with gusto (was later banned!!!).Best F1 commentator perhaps, ever.Why ?because he actually knows first hand and can relay this.Not just billy banter.
My mate Barry has pointed out that Martinis not driving a Maserati at all but the one off 1959 Tec Mec (Studio Tecnica Meccanica) F415 which was an upgraded version of the 250 F powered by a similar Maserati engine to the 250 F. It started, and retired from,one race the 1959 US Grand Prix with Fritz d'Orey a the wheel. You can clearly see the badge at 2:12 is square rather than oval as the Maserati trident badge would be.
Muito legal esse teste do Martin Brundle na Maserati 250F. 😀😎
O Brundle andou forte com o bólido ancião, fez curvas em "drift" e em três rodas !
For a while there, it looked like a Reliant Robin. Fantastic car
Martin
wonderful front wheel up in the air!!!!!
Wonderful
I bet you really enjoyed that car!!!
@ultrahenk No it is not the V12. It was known in period as theTec-Mec Maserati. Made by Colotti circa 1959 and was much lighter than the actual 250F design. They were able to do this because Grand Prix races had been shortened in 1958 from 500 miles to 500 kilometres and much more standard fuel "Avgas" was used so the cars needed to carry less.
what a beautiful car....
Dean Martin makes this video so good.
and those cars we absolutely amazing!
3 wheeling it through most of those corners - great job Martin.
much respect
Enzo Mondugno's Volare is much better.
one name. Juan Manuel Fangio
For my money, JPM is hands down the greatest of all time. Started his GP career when most drivers think about retirement...championships with 4 different manufacturers...and lived. Remarkable.
LOL! Of course I meant JMF!
Fangio was the greatest of them all, even surpassing Tazio Nuvolari Manfred vo Brauchitsch and Berndt Rosemeyer
Beautiful car
It may never happen but it would be awesome to see a modern front engined f1 car and how the design would look also would be epic to see maserati return to f1 one day
'Chase the same crumpet.' Just brilliant
"chasing the same crumpet" british legends lmao
I couldn't believe that when I saw it! Fucking awesome!
...checking your instruments, looking for girls....
..."Chased the same crumpet" Stirling Moss rules!
Actually Stirling Moss took his racing very seriously indeed. He is referred to as the first truly professional race driver. But away from the actual racing,, yes, he definitely had an eye for the ladies....
@@paulstandeven8572 I was able to get Moss' autograph at the Canadian GP back in the 70s when I was a kid. Sir S was hanging out in the pits. My Dad would take me every year. I didn't really know who he was but anyone who saw the signature later freaked out.
A proper car and probably the most beautiful grand prix type ever built. This is actually a Tec-Mec - used to see quite a few of these at VSCC race meetings. Much, much nicer then the scalextric things they use nowadays. They should make them radio controlled so the drivers never need to leave the pits. Formula One is so boring these days, its' just not worth watching
God what a sound
damn, look at that chassis flex!
Those were real drivers back then. Boy no room for mistakes with those race cars. It reminds me when we used wood rackets for tennis. It was a slower game but the pro were more finest players back then like these drivers.
@whatdumd The song is VOLARE by Dean Martin
He is so adaptable...he is able to driver every generation of cars so easily...the background song was a classic. :) . Any one knows what song it is ?
"Volare" sung by Dean Martin
ahh.... the martin brundle drives series
The last time an F1 car really caught fire was at Imola in '89, after Gerhard Berger's crash.
The bulging hood of the car seems to suggest that it has to house a big engine, so would this be the V12 version of the 250F?
I don't think the earlier (real) 250F s would lift the inside front wheel on cornering. This example may have had a stiffened frame.
Chase the same crumpet haha! Moss is a legend! F1 will never be like that ever again.
"Yeah baby love.....all that!!"
Kill the damn music.
You don't hear engine noises on Domenico Medugno records, n ow do you ?
It RUINS the video.
"it's-a-me martino!"
Hammering that old girl. Damn..
This is a Tec Mec F415, not a Maserati 250F!!! It used the engine from the 250F but the chassis, bodywork and handling are way too different, the Maserati never turned in 3 wheels, as this unsuccessful does
you're right pal, this is a fake test drive of a bad car that raced only one gp without any success. What a shame Martin !!
Yeah! Baby!
I like this car
"Martino Brundeli" Very good!
3:34 - "when you're going down the straight you're checking your instruments and looking for girls"
I had no idea the 250 was a three-wheeler :p
They look pretty similar but you're right.
strange the nearside front wheel lifting?
4:39 that growl!
The best 250F!
Assetto Corsa 250f and Monza Hstoric= fab·u·lous
Driving on 3 wheels.... EPIC
he really pushed it, nice
I watched the full race of the 2016 Richmond Trophy at Goodwood Revival here at TH-cam, and I laughed when the commentators commented on it while the driver is battling with the driver of a Ferrari 246 Dino for second place, saying "...there's two beautiful cars, no, actually one beautiful car AND the Tec-Mec..." It is indeed not as pretty as the original run of 250Fs, not a succesful car in period as well (it only entered one race, wher it isn't competitive and retired early on) but it certainly is effective now, once sorted, as demonstrated by the three-wheeling action at corners (thanks to stiff anti-roll bars), but still cornering pretty sharp.
Chase the same scrumpet! Old school Stirling.
this thing is fast, but the chassis and suspension tuning... 3 wheel cornering?
Ex F1 drivers like the classics! And Brundell gets almost as much speed out of this one as he ever did out of the F1 cars of his day ....
WOW... I had no idea the pedals were reversed. Not to mention that he drives without giving a fuck! Amazing
1:25 Brook's BRM overturned, throwing the driver clear. No seat belts.
then get yourself down to goodwood next summer ;)
bello
anyone know the name of the song at 0:26?
wait no, my favorite modle isn't this one.
I've never seen an F250 with a front wheel in the air......
FANGIOOO!
notice that most of the time he was only on 3 wheels
How much horsepah?
No you are sadly correct these are NOT to be confused with F1 cars, no egocentric drivers, lawyers and drivers, no indeterminate diffusers of dubious legal or illegal design. No arguing about races in Paris 4 weeks after a race, overtaking aplenty........no it's not F1....sadly.
Martino Brundeli is beautiful !!!! :-))))))
can someone tell me why they use tires with tread?
I suggest you get in your time machine, go back to the 1950s, and ask them
Дурачек, слики шины для гоночного трека придумали намного позже.
Occasional rain
my favorite car. then it's the BMW M1, then it's the Ariel Atom
Lovely footage, but why spoil the sound track with stupid and inappropriate music?
3:55 3 wheels, yeah baby!!! Have to buy red pack in AC.
i find it hard to call these f1 cars im not saying there not im saying we hae come a long way
4:20 on two wheels... i can't
Strange car...never seen a 250F like this one...
3 wheel drive!
No one had tried slicks yet.
Fangio also drive this car! Fangio Rules
That does not look like any Maserati 250f I have ever seen.... What's with the big bulge and larger than normal air intake?
¡Oh my god! 4 audi Le Mans fans again in youtube ......
Have driven central throttle cars!!!!!
need to concentrate!!!!!!
3:27
Notice the front wheel lifting off the track.
Driving this monstrocity is suicide, I tell ya, SUICIDE! 0.0
@F1Archives Ah so the reason Stirling never won the championship is revealed. Fangio chased wins while Moss chased the girls LOL
Stirling Moss did the Mila Miglia in a day. On normal narrow Italian streets. 1000 miles... Crikey!
@@RB747domme and how he didn't hit any of the spectators is a miracle.
put Carla Delvinge in the car...😀
My brothers English teacher knew Aryton Senna, Senna told him that he worshiped Fangio, and who can blame him?
Crumpets, mmm...
Stunning Car but already a relic of a bygone era at the time. Even the light tec mec 250f couldnt compete...but WOW.
Would be amazing to drive. Sort of car you'd give your left nut just for one lap.
Sex on 4 wheels...often 3 wheels. Pity the engine symphony isnt a feature of the video.
are you sure it'a 250f F1? the nose is strange
This is the final car, known as the 'Piccolo'. It was described in the video as narrowed and lightened.
Oops, no, it's not the Piccolo, but the Tec-Mec.
Alter der Prügelt das Schätzchen aber ganz schön über den Kurs. Da wird aber nix groß an der Fahrwerksabstimmung gemacht worden sein. Denn sein füßchen darf man eigentlich nich heben heben man in die Kurve geht. ;)
narrow tires...yikes
Brundle isn't in their league .... by a long shot.
Like you are?
This is the most godawful bastardisation of a 250F that I have ever seen. It looks hideous. Fer Chrissake, Jeremy Clarkson managed to find a classic, smooth version to drive on Top Gear. You mean to say that Brundle couldn't do the same?
Maserati 250Fs ran from 1954 and 1958. Most people remember the 1957 works car, but there were plenty of different versions. Even one with a V12, which was used to power the Cooper-Maseratis a decade later.
@@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 1954-1960. Last Grand Prix in 1960!
@@barondegil1
You are right, some privateers used them right up to the end of the 2.5l formula.