The Samurai Responds | Xeno Reacts to FFXIV AoE Drama
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2024
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The Samurai who defended the tank who was not using AoE skills in a max level dungeon responds to Xeno's Previous video. This is part 2 of this incredibly mild drama! Final Fantasy 14 Drama never ceases to deliver.
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You know we're in a drought when we go an hour talking about some random duty finder encounter.
came to say this, this is like the 5th video that pops up about people talking about this "drama", it really shows how there's nothing to talk about
totally not the end of expansion at all...
Award winning community 😂
@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7 you know damn well we ain't winning that this year lmao😂
@@slaysen That's just FFXIV in general.
The entire Lalafell chair drama was also a big nothingburger.
I can't believe the somewhat anonymous sam actually responded lmao. What a self-report.
Like a bank robber publicly complaining that the bank teller wasn't being polite to them 😅
if someone is in a level 90 dungeon, they are not new. that's it.
Especially if they went through Tower of Zot, that dungeon will eat you alive if you don't do your role properly.
And if they are a new player that bought their way there, how DARE the sumbitch that told them to skip everything!
And the Tank(not Mane) needs to put in a lil more effort to play their role, or just play a DPS. End of story
I've started FF14 like.. idk... a month ago and during the first 2 minutes of playing around my single digit IQ brain managed to get the idea of smashing the glowing combo buttons...
If they are in a level 50 dungeon they aren't new, period.
Once again, it'd be one thing if this happened in an early dungeon, but it happened in the LITERAL FURTHEST DUNGEON from any kind of skip.
people can be new to tanking at any point in the game.. even end game. this game is BABY EZ people skate to max level without knowing their abilities. just tell them to use their AOE skills. drama solved.
@@loldeathnote this drama was literally caused by SAM enabling the tank's ignorance, and instead making a big stink of the person telling the tank to.. you know.. tank. being new to tank doesnt cut it because EVERY job has and should be using AoE in packs, so even if you arent focused on generating emnity due to being new at tank, you would be aoe'ing
@@loldeathnote This is what happens when a game fosters a braindead gameplay mentality. I absolutely hate the current state of combat and how it caters to people who dont even play the game and just ERP all day in limsa/uldah. No RPG should be this shallow and all it has done is foster this kind of mentality. I dont care if its someones first time in a dungeon or trial. At endgame i expect people to know at least the freaking basics of their job and role.
@@loldeathnote so how you exp your tank. Doing WT/pod only?
@@loldeathnote justifying stupidity has got to be one of this game's most toxic traits. if you can't perform the basic necessity of a class, then you don't deserve to play that class nor the game. you press one button to turn your stance on and then two buttons to keep aggro. a fucking child playing fortnite presses more buttons than that.
also, mane tank already told them to use AOE. the tank is infamous for using single target only, you buffoon.
It's 2 buttons....why are people this entitled....
It's actually insane to me how people can be this ignorant to a game's mechanics
YOU DONT PAY MY SUB!!!!
Yea pretty dumb 2 button combo spam most time wirh defense cool downs
Sir, i have 3 buttons as a pld... Holy circle :)
@@RratRemi Circle of Skorn too right?
Now we need the healer's testimony 😂
I hope the healer is ok...
Healer is currently on therapy and likely wouldn't be around after the trauma he went through 🤣
the healer is like just a normal day to playing healer
@@Max-ep5ir Healer is still holding aggro from the mobs the tank didn't hit
LOL my thought exactly! I was like to my bf "Okay but like I'm tryin to picture this on what I would have done in this scenario if I was the healer" like we have not heard a single thing about the healer in this. Then we kinda all agreed that if healer healed too much there, mobs would have aggro'd on the healer instead and that would have been another drama on its own 💀 honestly I would have left the samurai to floor tank and try my best to keep SMN and myself alive while rezzing tank.
so according to this SAM, when you see a new player who appears to struggle, DONT offer help or critique or anything. let them continue playing the way they are even if its actively wasting everyone else's time. especially when you claim to just want to get shit done and grab your tomes.
that is actually a good thing though, i would add leave the dungeon as well you cannot control others actions, only your own. Helping or Calling out others especially randoms, is likely to result in nothing happening, and only increasing your own annoyance, wasting your own energy. Don't care about wasting others time, care about wasting your own time and dip out when you feel like the struggle for clearing is hopeless.
yeah, while at same time, if someone else who's not the tank decides to pull, you randomly pick an argument, even though you don't give an f about what the tank does
talk about being hypocrite
no wonder why SMN concluded they were friends
I don't really care about tank, dps or healer in this context, i'm talking about in general. When you are doing content with randoms having expectations, any expectations is only setting yourself up for failure. These are random people, some troll, some are completely ignorant, many wont change, some would change. At the end of the day you have absolutely no control of what the other player does, if it is a friend you have more input but still you cant control what they do.
Arguing or Offering advice ultimately wastes your own time. Sometimes offering advice can work but it's a coinflip and if it doesn't work you get more annoyed for no real reason because again, you cant control what others do. I do agree at end game players should know the basics, and some more but also at the end game if they don't are they really likely to change when given advice? they made it this far, likely got tons of advice in the past and still have not got the basics down.
Going in with that thought process to not waste your own time you have two options, leave the dungeon or struggle through while offering advice that is a coinflip. Both suck, but struggling through will result in more emotions if things get even worst like an argument. @@wildchupacabra905
@@TheSkylire I agree, communicating with other players in multiplayer games is pointless :Clueless:
I never said that. Just that your communication is not going to control what that other player does, especially a random. It is only going to have a chance at changing what they do. If you communicate and it doesn't change anything then you are only going to get more upset. At end game, if someone does not know the basics, they have gone through tons of dungeons, likely with many players communicating with them to hey do this basic thing, to which they never changed.
Going in with that knowledge it is better to leave then waste your energy, most players you try to communicate with at that point wont listen, and even if some do it is a coinflip, and if failed you are the only person who is going to get more upset about it, ultimately wasting your own time.
Many players seek out advice, watch guides, they want to improve. The players who don't and continue being ignorant wont change because you communicated with them. @@sird31mos
I can't decide which FFXIV drama is dumber. This random duty finder instance or when players were fighting over a Lalafel chair.
the chair is definitely dumber. this situation is dumb too but we have to address it because there's plenty of people in game like this samurai who enables shit behavior.
As a lala player, the chair drama was too good. Lmao
Oh was that a wonderful time to be a Lalafell lmao
The SAM opened their mouth and removed all doubt 😂
Apparently, from what I've heard, when Mane Tank shared the logs to prove against Rudrake's claims, he also revealed the tank's name in the process, and that tank has been well known to only single-target while tanking and flat out refuse to play and other stupid stuff when they're asked to AoE. If that's the case, then Rudrake is a bigger clown for calling Mane an "elitist" over this stupid run than he realizes.
Plus let's be real. Rudrake only kept this up so that he gets people to come to his dying youtube and twitch channels and give him views. Because if he didn't self-report, no one would've known it was him at all due to Mane censoring his name out of kindness. Rudrake is just pathetic at this point.
Just vote kick these people. They can either do the bare minimum or be in queue forever. I have had someone similar 1 time in a 90 Dungeon and the group of random people I was with all agreed on a vote kick cause the Dungeon would have taken almost a full hour at the pace it took us to get to and clear the first boss.
Rudrake is so pathetic damn
Big agree on the last part. His name was obscured, so no one knew it was him. He came out and whined about Mane, when most people would feel the same about a tank not AoEing in an endgame dungeon.
If they're that well known then I would just flat out report them... If we could report people for shit other than RMT without a stupidly drawn out process, anyway. I'm sorry, but if you don't want to play the game on it's most basic level, then don't play the damn game. You can do Single Player stuff and social stuff with your dumbass self-handicap but subjecting other people to that level of idiocy should be grounds for suspension from running multiplayer content.
@@goldencyclone4984I agree with this 110%. Don't drag other players down because you don't wanna do the basics. It's crazy to me that a tank would do that on PURPOSE. I tank Paladin mainly and I know I'd be kicked in a heartbeat, even if I was running with friends. They know better but refuse to do better.
The fact the Samurai doxxed himself is the funniest shit to me. Like, he's gonna get clowned on forever ingame now.
Good, now people know who they should NOT be playing with.
They really should make Hall of Novice exercises mandatory before using duty finder as a certain class. That can significantly reduce the amount of people not knowing basic rotations in dungeons. Even when using a jump potion you are given a popup prompt to do Hall of Novice exercises for that class you picked once you log back in.
I know I'm only two minutes in, but l'ma be even more lenient.
Even if the tank hit ONE of his Aoe buttons, and only hit that one over and over, and didn't even do the combo, I'd be happy. At least the aggro is being held
Agreed. Thing is in an entire dungeon, he only uses like 50 abilities TOTAL. So there is no way this guy isnt either trolling or mentally challenged. And the worst part is that 2 of them are AOEs. And not mit but i guess asking for any is too elitist. And the part abt a few more mins is false, he takes more than 20 min to complete any dungeon, not even experts ones.
Jesus christ, imagine if these guys had to use Ultimatium and Flash like we did back in the day, they'd be losing their minds calling everyone elitists.
God, Flash back in the day was both a blessing and a curse TwT
@@EvaHoshizoraOh god I remember.
Now that's some old forgotten language there haha. Some people have NO IDEA what tanks had to deal with.
Overpower having a TP cost, hell yea baby
@@Konin300 Or TP in general.
There's something so fucking funny about putting P12Sp2 prog footage in the background as someone who hasn't logged a clear of the fight and also didn't clear on this pull as the duty is timing out. The sheer irony of putting endgame footage in the video to look like a good player when nobody who knows how the game works would be pulling a 7 minute fight with 5 minutes on the clock...
by the way i want to point out mane tank is actually a chill guy, i remember in p6s he taught me how to use reprisal correctly when i was new to tanking
Hrothbro chill bro
I just wanna point out, this all stemmed out of him escalating and blowing up the situation when all Mane Tank did was *politely* say, "hey Tank, please use aoe attacks". Like ???? It's such obvious bullshit
And politely went on twitter to do MORE work wasting MORE time complaining about a mild inconvenience. This community is 2-faced as hell.
@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7 Note to self; if someone tries to report me and calls me an asshole ... do nothing about it, apparently? I don't think you know what two faced means.
@@kellevichy buddy they stopped answering tickets because people keep reporting people over petty grievances. It’s immature. We both know that guy’s report isn’t going to go anywhere, that whole “ill report u 2 hehe” script just puts egg on both faces.
@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7 ??? And? They blocked out their name. You're allowed to be annoyed about people who act shitty and then insult you for doing something entirely reasonable. People whine on Twitter all the time, who cares? The only person whose time is wasting is yours for choosing to interact with both that tweet and this video and replying to people like me. If it's such a waste of time, then follow your own advice and just block and move on.
yeah, attention seeker ffxiv socialite at its finest lol
This is why I loves tales of the duty finder. Most of it is random shit Noone cares about but we will have a few gems like this 😂
tbh single pulling tanks is one of the lowbrow stories from that subreddit it's filled with the same YPYT stories, freecure proccing whms and toxic bf and gf stories. This is just another one of those what really adds to the spice is the SAM's ego
"He started to running around the boss arena, because he has the aggro the boss is running everywhere"
THE TANK DIDN'T EVEN PULL AGGRO IN BOSS FIGHT AND YOU'RE FUCKING SPEAKING FOR HIM?
Certified dumbass fo sho
They mentioned the tank had died in the boss fight. Likely not wanting to bother with the mitigation skills. too busy hittin that 1, 2, 3. :P
If a tank doesn’t aoe trash mobs, the dps will die, costing them Gil for repairs, not to mention time.
It’s just downright rude.
FF14 repair bills are a joke compare to WoW repair bills that generally more insanely expensive lol
Wouldn't care about Gil. Time is money!
1 duty finder will pay for your repairs in month or two advance.
@@Greatlichtdoesn’t really matter it’s still wasting ppls time. The game has a thing that allows people to play as badly as they want called trusts. If you are scared of your role for whatever reason, npcs are there to hold your hand until you feel comfortable to join gen pop until then, anyone not doing the bare minimum should be kicked and reported for harassment, they are raping the groups time.
Oh please, is Gil cost for repair really that big of an issue for you? Lol.
i think the funniest thing about the entire drama is that, unless i've missed something cos skimming, the tank hasn't actually uttered a single word in all this...
The tank is too busy using his one single target ability. Leave him alone.
i seen warriors like this on fates in garlemald, three of them, doing only mass murder fates, i aggroed every single mob there and they only singletargeted... then once there was no fate in zone, they stood frozen in place, fate appeared, all three of them mounted up exactly at same time, moved together to same one. Avoided collect/kill boss/any other special one.
Yea, that tank was probably bot.
How would send he tweet if he doesn't want to use more than 1 button?
The tank probably isn't even on twitter or reddit. That's true GIGACHAD behavior.
the tank was clever not saying anything, because the sam would have reported him, petty as he seems to be.
as a main healer i had hundreds of encounters with superbad tanks and dps to the point that i now - if my day is extraordinary boring - pretend to not know anything about this game and troll people in dungeons. the amount of salt is funny, really. people should go and touch grass sometimes.
Imagine blaming a DPS for moving the boss.
The DPS is moving the boss because the tank isn't aggroing
If the tank had aggro, the DPS wouldnt need to move the boss to SURVIVE.
If your peeve is that the DPS is moving the boss, maybe...idk... realize that it's the TANK'S FAULT?!
But sure let's protect the tank's ego and blame the DPS.
I think Mane Tank posted logs proving he actually wasn’t pulling for the tank or something like that so SAM is lying to make himself look better and Mane Tank look like the bad guy when he literally did nothing wrong. Rudrake is clearly the one entirely in the wrong here and now he’s just farming clout and engagement
Edit: yep Xeno mentioned this as upcoming part 3, I commented before getting there in the vid
Clout is a drug man.
No he didnt. And you know what, it would be fair to give Mane some pushback for it if he did. He just showed the replay, with no name or anything. Anyway the tank is just super bad and ignores feedback, and the SAM was just out for some whiteknight drama.
The part where the Sam complained about moving away when getting aggro annoyed me, like xeno said kiting will actually skip autos and give time for the tank to get rezzed back up. When tanks don’t provoke and just let dps die when they get raised they are not doing their job (keeping aggro.). Him being mad at Mane for moving around to not die is backwards.
Is there proof you avoid autos? I think you only avoid autos IF the boss stops to cast something, then you can get distance. If the boss is "free to move" you cannot "out run a few autos" to save yourself. Now I am coming from WoW with this, where the best thing to do was always "stand still". That way the tank can "catch up" and grab aggro.
The only way for the SMN to have aggro is if the tank does not have his stance up (shame on the tank), or he pulled before an inexperienced tank (who doesn't know how to use range attack/provoke). If it is the latter, you could... stand still... and let the tank catch up and retake aggro cause tank stance op. Also, if it is the latter... how you dying unless it is to a tank buster. Once again, coming from wow, bosses in this game do not "one shot" you with auto's... you can literally tank bosses easy until a tank buster. (I might be missing some context)
@hobbitluck you do, and the proof can be found anywhere, especially deep dungeon runs. I'm fairly certain you can even move certain ways so enemies can outright not hit you, but in general running around prevents autos. Look up palace of the dead runs with red mage so see it in action. You have for example mimics which you can outrun until they start casting meaning you prevented every auto in between the moment you aggroed to the moment they started casting.
On the aggro thing with the tank, nope. Tank can have stance on, deal damage, and still lose aggro. Even though tanks generate a lot of aggro to the point where it becomes a non issue, a very lackluster tank like this one will definitely lose aggro, especially to jobs with a lot of burst damage like smn that can just pump out insane numbers in like 10 seconds. See for example when a tank pulls mobs and then does a single aoe attack before running away. The tanks is very likely to loose aggro on multiple of the enemies left behind because the dps are hitting them as they run. Next uo, you don't need to stand still to let the tank grab aggro again, tanks have a ranged attack that generates a lot of enmity and they also have provoke which has an even bigger range and puts you at the top of the aggro list immediately, not to mention they were fighting a boss in a dungeon meaning they were in an enclosed space where the tank is in rage of the enemy 100% of the time to use either provoke or the ranged attack if not outright combo it.lastly as to how the summoner is dying, if the tank is not holding aggro then auto attack damage racks up and coupled with raidwides that do a nice chunk it is likely the tank just didn't do anything for so long it became a big issue. Tanks have no problem surviving without heals because they have sustain built into their kits but dps jobs don't
@@hobbitluck I mean if you're outside the range of the bosses autos, then the boss can't auto you. Simple as that.
@@hobbitluck The enemies have a gcd window on basic attacks like everyone else, with a set attack range. If they are mid animation and an enemy with a shorter range, there is a chance autos can be skipped. It's not a guarantee, because latency is also a factor, but if it's a 100% chance of being hit by just standing there vs a 50% coinflip by moving, you take the coinflip. Provoke has the range of basically any arena, and if they are *that* desperate they can gap close or do a single ranged attack afterwards. Regaining aggro as a tank is not as hard and people make it seem. I came from WoW before moving to XIV, and the aggro tables work way differently. It's not like WoW at all, where the tank has to fight his way back up the aggro table. As soon as they hit provoke, it slaps them right back at the top. If the tank has tank stance on and hits the enemy at all, he has aggro. It takes one spell for you to get aggro as a tank in this game now. If anyone else in the party other than offtank has aggro, the tank is fucking up.
Also, the SMN may have been attempting to avoid some hits to give the healer a chance to raise the tank and pump out heals so everyone doesn't die, because even while bosses in this game are auto attacking, they can have other mechanics and casts rolling at the same time. If their healer wasn't a shield healer, than getting hit by a boss repeatedly can get painful really quickly for a squishy mage. Especially with some of these later bosses having cleaves and stacking attacks. The SAM is just a brainlet who doesn't know how to move into the path of the boss to keep his gcd rolling, and probably was trailing behind the mob like an idiot.
@@BiscuitsV2 thank you for the clarifications. I still feel like we are talking hypothetical on the last point of how the boss was moving around without knowing more. It still seems to me like there should have been plenty of time for the tank to grab aggro before the SMN died. Unless the first mechanic was a tank buster. Hence, the hypothetical: which boss and how long was the SMN running in circle. Or how do we know it is not the case that the smn was doing some trolling by dragging him from the melee. There could definitely be some shared blame before all three people.
Said this on the last video, I'll say it again. It *does not* matter if you're new to a dungeon. The mechanics of a duty do not change the mechanics of your *job*. Tanks have their AoE weaponskill as early as Sastasha, and if they aren't using them in Endwalker Experts they should either uninstall or play with trusts only. Get the hell out of my duty.
I honestly think that running that with trust will get you killed faster then with a group of players trying to keep you alive as much as they can. Like not holding aggro for NPCs is going to get them killed so fast 😆
So probably why they don't do trusts while not using aoes.
@@leffed2109 Yeah, then maybe they should play a different game. If they don't want to play this one even the bare minimum properly, and worse want to subject other people to that, maybe they should play one of the single player Final Fantasies and leave us alone.
@@KK-fs8rm I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that they would probably do even worse with trusts.
@@leffed2109 Do trust actually take aggro? I know from doing command missionst( trying to unlock final rank of gc i am in, i know you need 5 ran and then a special squadron mission for final promotion) That the mobs target me, even as dps, and the tank generally only takes over very slowly in aggro. So i would assume if you play tank, that even if you don't aoe in trust the mobs would be aggrod onto you, even if you don't aoe.
Unless trust work a small bit different then command missions.
@@nivada94 when I play trust as dps they do but generally they are not use to wall to wall pulling so if you want them to do that (I do but I enjoy trusts and have learned to play with them) make sure you have mitigation cooldowns as dps. Also you will have to go foward, pull the next group and then run back to your tank that will tale aggro from you after a few seconds usually, depends a bit, thats why you need your mitigation to survive for that part. As healer and tank its much easier. Squadrons are not as good at it as trusts are which makes sense since trusts are a ShB thing (introduced then) while squadron is from ARR I think.
In this situation with the tank the problem would have been that the program assume you are playing your role as you should. So a healer npc in a trust generally is not good as switching target to heal so if the tank is losing aggro all the time the npcs would die fast because the healing wouldn't be there because the trusts are programmed to assume you will actually tank 😆
This Samurai is one of the biggest clowns I've seen in this game
@@kampfh7150 Right mofo saw this and thought this could jumpstart his dead youtube channel, absolutely pathetic.
As you can see from the video he's doing savage, he must be a good player. Why else would he purposly choose that clip of himself? Man is a complete sham. You don't even see these donuts in mentor roulette anymore.
Whenever there's an NA drama, my popcorn is always ready
It's insane how they doubled down. Absolutely beyond mental.
It shouldn't be wrong to say such people should be bullied out of the game.
100% clown needs to be flamed into oblivion
Bullying saves lives
@@ArkafazinEarly and often.
Next expansion he'll be able to tripledown.
It's really not that serious calm down
If the boss or an enemy is on you as a dps, and the tank hasn't done shit to stop that, you're ONLY option becomes to move around, purely just so the tank notices the boss is running away from them
I run to the tank first, then start jumping and if I still have the aggro I run away for the same reason as you said 😂
Or run to the tank. Some DPS do get pull hungry (SMN) and drop their insta AoE, or peleton right as the tank is pulling. It's annoying but if you actually run to the tank as they AoE, then you also help the tank so they don't have to run to around grouping them and fixing a messy pull.
@@Nodnarb59 My point is if you've already run to the tank and they still aren't doing anything to pull them off, ie. not using AoE.
Not to mention if a living tank manages to lose aggro on a boss, something is deeply wrong.
It's almost impossible to lose threat in modern FF14. Like, turn your stance on and hit your AoE combo twice.
Forreal. It's literally that simple.
At this point this response is just for attention grabbing, like we entering into the realm of people doing/saying dumb stuff just for the sake of streamer react to it, making lose the genuinely situation and be “ohh I did this because the XIV community is going to show it to Xenos and react xffing”. people will do anything for clout.
"Samurai responds" and the situation is all around the tank, but the only one speaking is the SAM. xffing
Average wholesome ffxiv player.
what situation? its a fucking conversation in a dungeon this is nothing why are we clicking on this or thinking about this in the slightest?
@@undercoverspy123 content babyyyyy. If not then the samurai really is butthurt for something not even directed at them and would gladly die on that hill (which isn't a tall hill at all)
@@undercoverspy123 Cause it's funny
The tank would have testimony, but they can only hit 1 key over and over again.
The fact the first thing this dude says aside from introducing himself is that he "has made it" in XIV tells you exactly what sort of schtick he's trying to peddle. In it for the attention. So I suspect his friend is probably in on it with him.
Anywho, I'm just here to give a view and like for someone who isn't intentionally being a moron in game for recognition...well at least most of the time. 😛
Skip goes up to lv80. Tank had to level 10 levels assuming he skipped.
I love the part where he mentions how Mane has a savage weapon and he does but in reality bro's rocking a full 660 iL gear with a total of 22 melds while Mane has the 645 iL relic, only has 4 660 pieces of which only 2 are ascension and the rest is voidmoon while there's a total of 17 melds on his summoner gear
It has come to my attention that demi-bahamut/demi-phoenix increases emnity generation, which first of all: Why?
@@Twimsh I'm guessing it's a leftover from the old SMN skillset that they never thought to change for whatever reason?
@@richardwicker8456 because with how much emnity the tank generates its a non issue. Provide the idiot tank in question actually hits mobs every now and again
@@Twimshbecause it was left there the dev don't need to remove the aggro generation from it since tank aggro ever since SHB changes is so strong that you can actually just afk after 1 range attack and let the auto do the rest, you will do no dmg tho but everyone won't getting auto by boss.
They definitely should push people to the Hall of Novice quests more so people learn their role at a basic level. I stumbled upon the dps one early on and I've only been playing for a couple months but it wasn't obvious to go to it at all other than the side quest icon itself which a lot of people probably ignore...
True, stumbled upon them a few years after starting the game so I knew all of it but I would I loved to know about it sooner ! I think it should be mandatory especially since they give pretty good loot to start dungeons and a good ring with xp boost for early levels ^^
lol the ending was gold! i will gladly wait a couple of days for part 3 :D real life
I didn't know using "raid food" and potting in casual content was elitism. My intention has always been to crank out as much damage as possible so we can all gtfo as quickly as possible. Meanwhile these mofos are out here taking a stroll. lol
I mean if you’re doing this yourself it’s fine, but if you actively call for food in pots in day dungeons then it’s either elitism or outright stupidity.
You can use food+pot in casual content just fine, it's for you, but expecting new players to just know/care about minmaxing their first times (when doing too much dps makes them see less mechanics anyway which guess what, nobody thinks new players missing out on Nald'Thal's balance event is cool) is absurd
@@ProtossOP
Sometimes older players will remind sprouts to eat for the exp buff, but that's the extent of it. Never, in all my years playing this game, have I encountered anyone asking party members to use food or pots in a dungeon, or any of the other casual content, for the purpose of doing more damage. It is never expected.
@@Orphan_of_Kos_or_some_say_Kosm
What a stupid take. There are 24 players in an alliance raid. You expect everyone to limit their dps so the sprouts can experience all the boss mechanics? Lol, are you for real? That will never happen. I'm not going to play badly on purpose so the newbie can enjoy their stroll through a dungeon. Waiting for cutscene watchers is the most you can expect from people. Anything more than that is pure entitlement and it's ridiculous that you have this mentality.
I use Pots and Food on Dungeons/Experts because im sitting on 600M gil and can…I also respect everyones time so i’m going to kill as fast as possible.
But not wanting to waste peoples time is elitist havent you heard
@@russpc9739 No way, I have bought a shit ton of materials to craft HQ gear for my entire FC and have all gathering/crafting at Lv90, I also gave a lot of HQ gear sets for free to a lot of people on my Friends List.
Lv 90 dungeon. Doesn't know how to do the 1 + 2.
"I'm new!"
How? How can they be new? That is a load of crap. The tank is obviously griefing.
This is why I tank dungeons, so I don't run into the bad tanks.
If you know you're competent and you pick a tank or healer, that guarantees you won't get a shitty tank or healer. Better hope the player taking the role you didn't take is also competent :'D
This is also the reason I play healer in dungeons lol (and also queue times)
I had a sage at lol 81 dungeon who keeps dying on raid wide on last boss. I tried to help but got mad at me. "Stop backseatting" lol never again will I do df with random healers.
Yep can't remember the last time I queued an expert as anything but WAR or WHM.
@@iPlayOnSpica Or just play WAR and be both.
Wait people are getting mad at being a tank that needs to hold aggro everytime they pull? Huh? Since when was it a problem?
I forgot to add this in. I’m a tank that does hella big pulls because either I want to get the dungeon done or over with or there’s another person (the healer mostly) who wants to get the dungeon done. Plus it’s more fun that way. You always ALWAYS have to have AOEs on you because the one thing that you need to do as a tank is hold aggro and make sure that your party members stay healthy no matter what. Regardless if you are pulling small or large amounts of enemies. If you are new to tanking, remember that you have an important role to play and always keep those AOEs in check.
Much love to everyone and Xeno❤️❤️
The plot thickens
the plot chickens
The thot thiccens
I do believe the SAM made this situation hostile/toxic first in chat (after the tank if he was intentionally trolling). However @16:20 I do believe that they could clear with deaths/weak tank, in a reasonable time... dungeons be easy in this game.
14 drama is truly like no other. i wonder whats next
It’s that pre-expansion psychosis that happens before every expansion
only in 14 can being a single digit parser be considered an even somewhat defendable position by people. this game has the worst community i have ever played with genuinely wows community was better.
@@TannerLindbergnah that's cap, the only mmo where I been constantly called racial slurs is wow lol
@@TannerLindberg gotta be cap. I’d rather some players be bad over getting called slurs because you’re not using a hyper-meta comp
@@someclevername8167to each their own I guess. I would rather be called slurs than play with incompetent people.
Tanks 👏 need 👏 to 👏 aoe 👏 in 👏 trash
Also he says the tank lost agro in a boss...uhhhh how?? Unless the tank turned off their stance, which would also explain why the guy couldn't hold agro in trash as well, then they shouldn't have been able to lose agro on a single boss
Edit: the hall of novice should be something that everyone has to do at the start of the game regardless of skips or what ever, they're not the greatest sure but if everyone has to do em then there's no excuse
Considering its right next to the first dungeon in the game, it should be a necessity. Plus you get that 30% exp ring out of it!
Samurai doesn't seem to realize that Phoenix and Bahamut summons actually generate enmity.
"Increases enmity in target when Demi-Bahamut is summoned."
"Increases enmity in target when Demi-Phoenix is summoned."
If your tank is doing a poor job of holding aggro, you're going to get squashed. I've seen it a few times with a newer tank, and even when I was learning to tank with a friend who's a summoner.
oh? I actually didn't know that
But thats literally irrelevant provided the tank pushes his buttons and aoe's
@@aurumvale9908It's a hold over from the older days of FF14, when the DPS were the ones who had to manage aggro before that was retooled in ShB.
I had a similar case just yesterday doing 90 roulette as RPR. Tank was always standing in the middle of the arena or slightly turned left/right. Which means that for my small amount of positionals I would always be in the situation to move a lot because the boss would face me for any kind of mech he was doing (Alzadaal). I asked the tank to stand at the correct spot without any reply and in the end our healer (SGE) tried to tell me to "be nicer" to other players.
I can totally feel how this was for Mane if you could be faster, or at least have a more chill experience, but instead have to go through a much more annoying run, even though it is casual content. I'm with Xeno to respect your time and the time of others and just do the correct thing. I wouldn't even minded if the tank used only a 123 combo during boss fights but if I would've been another class with more positionals this could've been a terrible experience.
Amazing how he tries to provide context, only to make it more convoluted
I always use raid food in a dungeon and pots if I have a bunch because it speeds up the dungeon. I even used weaker pots during prog to get pot timings right and was called an elitist for doing it.
I don't know i started ffxiv as a healer, i made my mistakes and tanks w2w with me.. it went well sometimes other times it didn't but it taught me many lessons on my journey that ended up helping me be a better healer in dungeons. I don't feel like teaching some one who is new the subjectively wrong way to do things is a good thing to do.. It might be rough at the start but you will learn from your mistakes..and its often easier to learn from mistakes then to re-learn out of bad behaviours.
I liked how the guy talked about how the SMN was being so rude yet he was the first to speak up and his first words were combative towards the SMN because he wasn't standing still tanking the boss (when he isn't a tank).
like, he's really no different from the SMN, except he's trying to act like he's some saint because he's so patient with the "new guy", even though he obviously has the same short fuse that the SMN does, because he couldn't do his rotation properly (even though it's, again, the tank's fault).
"stop running" is combative? okay snowflake
SAM: "It's his first time running this dungeon." That has sweet fuck all to do with not AoEing. Is this is first time tanking, period? Because the only way that could be true is if he straight-up bought a lvl 90 character, in which case fuck'im. If that's not the case then the first time running a dungeon shouldn't magically make you forget how to play your class.
6:36
The simple answer: the SAM doesn't know how to AoE either and as such didn't notice the tank failing to hold group aggro. :D
16:18
Keep in mind we're talking about a guy who bragged about almost running out the clock on a dungeon, "a normal expert run" is probably around an hour for him.
I think it's quite easy to see why he'd not join the summoner even though he was there just for the tomes - he just had enough compassion for the tank to not be a dick.
I use ACT as a casual to see how I'm personally doing. The only time I get mad at other players is generally after content completes, if they did some weird fuckin shit like not healing at all or not dpsing at all, or if the DPS do like zero fucking dps or something.
Idk, I think there's a real problem of the game not teaching players that they need to read their tooltips. The number of healers I've gotten who massively overheal, the number of DPS I've gotten who barely click, the number of tanks I've gotten who single-target every pack.. Shit's way too high, man.
FF14 needs an ACTUAL decent tutorial. Fix the Smith system, make it mandatory before Duty Finder is available, and make the shit relevant.
"If you see the DPS running. Run with them, and let's get this sh!t over with." Best, most accurate thing I've heard all year. 😂
I remember a while back i got like a 3 stack of 2 literally drunk dps and their friend on tank (that apologized for them) that was just running ahead like mad people. We all know healing is easy af once you get used to it and they're very op, so for me, people causing chaos is just added fun and challenge.
it would be a funny plot twist if it was revealed that it was the Healer pulling those mobs by padding DoTs 🤣
Honestly, I will bet that the tank does know how to AOE and hold threat but just wanted to find ways to kill Mane Tank by letting him have agro on purpose. Because quite a few players live and die by the "you pull you tank" mantra and it sounds like Mane Tank was pulling mobs ahead of the tank. Just because it was the tank's first time in that dungeon, doesn't mean he can't have an elitist attitude of his own...
yep, when i act this way and the tank lets me die it's fair enough bro, if i wanna tank mobs i should just roll a tank
that being said, i play wow where i have actual buttons i can use to defend myself, not ffxiv where i can't cosplay a tank unless i'm on a tank job. but still! if i pull it, i should be ready to die to it!
I’ve seen the tank’s logs. Trust me, he’s not clever enough for that. Dude legit has almost exclusively parses between 1 and 10 on normal content. He literally doesn’t press buttons
that's just absolutely wrong, not only you can pull ahead and act as mitigation because YOU are taking the hits, and if you are a melee or phys ranged you can pull with arms length and not only mitigate damage getting hit, you also help by doubling the amount of time the adds will be slowed by your arms length + tanks arms length. PLUS as a tank it takes you literally 1 or 2 aoe gcds with tank stance to grab aggro back from anyone in your dungeon. If it was the healer doing the same thing, like sage pulling ahead to break shields and get toxikon stacks, would you just let your healer die everytime then the whole party, just because tanks should be the ones pulling? in wow it makes sense being the alpha pulling as tank, in 14 just doesn't.@@vanyel_etc8695
@@vanyel_etc8695 uh? wdym, just pop lifeleech and aoe until healer instaresses tank and tank takes aggro off you. Works on ninja and monk. SAM not so much.
The brainlet mantra
I don't pay anyone's sub, so far be it from me to say how others play the game, but at the same time, if you insist on wasting my time by refusing to do the bare minimum of your role (not counting mistakes or learning process, which I completely forgive), then you SHOULD pay MY sub. I'm not being sincere, but if I gotta deal with a tank not using AoE in an endgame dungeon, I want to see $12 USD in my paypal.
I AM being sincere in saying this: If you play a team game, you owe it to your party to consider their experience as well. As a tank, you owe your party a tank. A tank holds aggro and preferably doesn't die. Holding aggro in a dungeon necessitates using AoE for the sake of the flow of combat. It's the standard everyone expects in a dungeon. Not using AoE as a tank is a mistake that should be corrected in Sastasha, and I would hope that non-tanks would be aware of tanks using AoE before they even try tanking in the first place. It should be common knowledge.
"Respect other people's time"
100% this. I tell this to the new peeps in my fc. I supply them with gear and food and send them links to leveling rotations and have a dummy for them to practice. You dont need to be perfect or amazing. Just know the basics and what your abilities do. You can be casual and enjoy the RP, the glams and all that but at the very least learn the basics to not only do well for yourself but to not waste others time.
Mane being accused of being "Toxic" is hilarious to me. Mane's super helpful, and gives a ton of their time to other players. They (and 6 other absolute saints on Primal) spent an hour and a half dragging my ass over the finish line of my first Ult clear, not knowing me, with the only ask that I "Pay it forward".
Then there's this Kermit sounding clown, who's gatekeeping people giving advice.
I know who's side of the discussion I stand on.
My first dungeon on tank i didnt use AOE on first mob, someone pointed it out to me in chat, since then never forgot. I will always be greatful for people pointing out to me what im not doing and doing wrong.
Content-drought dramaaaaa. As an aside,
Patch 4.5-5.0 was 5 months. 6.5-7.0 is going to be 8 months (October to June/July). Why is each expansion getting more and more drawn out. What's next, 3-year expacs?
Hey Xeno, YT frog here. TY for uploading ALOT. Without you i wouldn't be playing 14 still. But one thing i can't stand ur twitch chat when people spam "TPogO" then type "BREAST" after like wtf does that even mean, Anyways kissies my Liege
This narcissist really plugged himself at the end lol. The guy is unironically projecting. Its not about you buddy, its about the concept of a lvl 90 tank not using their AoE and someone protecting their behaviour. Could've been anyone 😅
Welcome to the annual "you pull you tank" discussion/drama. Pay my sub
except he didn't pull ahead of the tank and that was proven with logs
"How dare you tell the max level tank isn't doing his role properly. let him make the dungeon so much harder your an ass for expecting people to do their jobs correctly."
FROGS ASSEMBLE RIBBIT
TH-cam frog here. Will be waiting patiently for part 3 upload in next 2 days
Had a level 90 tank with quite a few level 90 tanks in a duty roulete. But he also only did single target and when he lost aggro because dps AOE, he kept attacking his target. We asked him if he was new and tried to communicate as much as possible. But not a single reply. So we just kicked him. Sorry, I have 0 tolerance to those who aren't trying.
This has nothing to do with the actual discussion, just a comment to a thing the SAM said.
"I've tanked as a SAM" running dungeons without tanks is a way to make them more fun and interesting! One of the most enjoyable dungeon runs i've ever had was a run where our tank DC'd before we even began, and the 2 DPS and me on heal decided to just start running the dungeon. Tank came back just as we cleared, it was a lot of fun!
I wanna say that the MSQ forces you to go to the Hall of Novices before doing Sastasha, but it never forces you to actually do the tutorials, except maybe the first one that teaches you what your role does. It highly recommends you to do it and gives you a reward for completing it (an ilvl30 ring that boost exp until level 30), but it doesn't force you to actually do the tutorials. If you buy a skip, you never have to go to the Hall of Novices ever.
The chronicles of the roulette samurai continue
I've had times where I had to spam "iron will if you would be so kind" in levelling roulette throughout Sastasha, but pally never had iron will up until the last boss. After the last boss, they went "what the heck is iron will". It was an NA player in a JP server.
Oof, that's just sad XD I'm actually an NA player in the JP server but even I know what my tank stances are XD
Whenever i watch drama like this, i always doubt it like does it truly exist
I am on elemental and whenever tank forgot their stance, we got wiped, they said sorry, activate it and moving on
If they did mass wall to wall pull and we got wiped, they slowed down
So yeah apparently something like this only exist in non elemental server
The worst experience ive ever got is scholar that forgot to summon eos for the first part of the dungeon
I think that guy is summoner and tried to enter roulette using scholar without learning how to use it but hey they did notice it after the first boss and eos summoned
This sam's logic is kinda funny "Squishy Caster gets agro boss and runs away , sam gets angry cuz he cant hit the boss" and i'm like brother the summoner may be called "MANE TANK" BUT HE AINT PLAYING A TANK .... he's not supposed to stand still and just eat the boss's attacks, why would the sam be angry for the smn running @_@, also the sam egoing about taking more damage / aggro and not dying ... no shit sherlock u have life steal on attacks and MITIGATION no shit u cant die if u get aggro :X.
Ive met Mane Tank before hes actually a pretty chill dude. As a soon to be PLD turned VPR aoes is dungeon running 101
None of this would have happened if we had a mid-core relic grind, I blame yoshi-p.
When i was semi new to the game, i was the tank, got to the last boss in a dungeon, a sprout was watching the cutscene, i was in the middle of writing out the tactic for the spout when one of the DPS pulled, so i had to grab aggro from the healer. Then because we died from the sprout not being able to help us with the tactic, the guy who pulled called them stupid.
So i said, "you pull the boss when the game tells you its their first time and they're in a cutscene and you expect them to know what to do, you're just a R word". I got a warning on my account for saying that, but i don't regret it. is what it is.
FFXIV is the only thing that reminds me to go log in so I don't loose my house. Other then that I live in BG3. Sincerely, a TH-cam Frog.
Tank can't push 2 buttons and runs around mid fight, SAM most affected.
This is the next level of self-snitching 😂😂
my interaction in wow retail RDF:
Me at the start of the dungeon: "Hello there!"
random dps: "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY"
Me - as a healer lets that random dps die. Then votekicked him in front of last boss. So that he wasted 30 minutes of his life.
(As PLD) When 2.0 released, it was my very first MMO and I only leveled using FATES and when I got to The Wanderer's Palace, almost everybody hated me. I'd run in, Flash -> Flash -> Flash until MP gone and then tried to juggle enemy aggro and I didn't even know what oGCDs were for. When 5.0 came out, I played Warrior in dungeons and I remember asking a guy, "Hey how do you do the buzzsaw thing?" and he asked if I had done the job quest. So, for the longest time, I was playing Warrior without the job quest done.... in max level dungeons... ("Max level"? I mean endgame dungeons)
So, then I mained melee DPS because I no longer allow myself to be the leader of any group no matter how casual.
TL;DR: Sometimes people are genuinely not aware of how they’re supposed to play. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t tell them how they can more effectively do their job, just don’t be an ass about it.
Honestly, I recently watched a video explaining how people could get this far into the game and not know how to play the class and roll they’re playing and it made a lot of sense. I’m specifically talking about Rianon (or Rinon). Hall of the novice is optional content firstly if we’re not specifically talking about the one instance in the MSQ that has really nothing to do with class related content. On top of that, the game never confirms your effective understanding of your class and their abilities. Plus, I think the mentality of “it’s whatever, I’m just here to get it over with” is more harmful than telling them what they’re doing wrong. It perpetuates the fact that no one’s has told them, not even really the game tbh, that the way they’re playing is wrong. Often times people tell new players to “ignore” the hall of the novice quests. Hell, the fact that even Xenosys has never played it is a testament to the fact that it doesn’t even prioritize it as a learning point. I’m not saying that there are people without fault who will ultimately do this stuff on purpose and refuse to learn outright. But you shouldn’t attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to general ignorance. They genuinely may not know. I’ve seen absolutely amazing healers…that still don’t know which rebuffs can be Esuna’d. I remember fondly going through a heavenward dungeon and I was struggling as when to understand exactly what each healer button did. I was absolutely beating myself up for it and my tank kindly stopped and explained to me the difference between cure 3, Medica and medica 2 and all my heal buttons. Who has hands down been my favorite healer as it is the class I started with and I always read my class abilities and try to practice them, but I don’t always understand them and they leave me frustrated. The game isn’t very good at really allowing you to understand what you’re doing and how to do it right, often times I rely upon teammates to help me when I’m struggling because sometimes it takes a different perspective to get it.
I do think however, there is a limit t what kind of advice you can give. For instance, being overtly mean about how poorly someone is tanking or calling them names for not fully grasping their class is terrible and will cause people to potentially play worse or not at all. Being repeatedly bashed and bad mouthed especially as a tank can color your experience of the class as a whole and not make you want to play especially when you’re already struggling to understand your roll.
THAT PROXIMITY DAMAGE ON EXAFLARES💀
Honestly if you run into someone making a blatant mistake or having a severe lack of basic knowledge in max level roulette its your duty to point it out and try to help them. You're actually the asshole if you don't. Could the other guy have been more polite about it? Sure, hell he probably was earlier in the run and then got annoyed. But ignoring a blatant issue that will affect anyone else unlucky enough to group with him in the future is a dick move and white knighting like that will do nothing but convince the tank he did nothing wrong and that was just a toxic player. Never confuse toxicity and truth.
This says a lot about me because I’m only this year realizing there was this much drama in ffxiv and give been playing for about 3 years now.
Just mass report this guy and his friend as griefing thru gameplay. There's enough evidence that they are unwilling, combative, and toxic towards people.
Award winning attitude. So this is why the GMs aren’t answering tickets outside of automated responses now. Keep up the great not-work abusing the report system like that.
@@IDC-P5GHD4Z8J7: Great user name so I don't expect a reply for someone who goes by that. But you seemed to care enough to give your input.
The GM's actually do care, but there has to be enough reports to make them care and enough evidence to see the offense (such as chat logs, etc.)
Like someone caught cheating LIVE on a Stream? Ho-boy, the GM's are fairly quick to ban them.
Someone being a toxic person? Guess it's more questionable and based on people's tolerances, but this Tank and SAM are obviously just being jerks for the sake of being jerks.
I find it hilarious that the guy was so desperate for attention, he outed himself as the tool we all thought he was, just so he could call someone a name again because he had his feefees hurt, despite Mane making the screenshot anonymous. lmao. FFXIV community loves its drama. He accuses Mane for doing it for the clout, what a hypocrite.
The TH-cam frog that I am: I’ll wait 2 days. I got other things to do anyway!!
**realizes the video just came out today**
All I'm saying is that this SAM wasnt even trying to help and was out for some drama. How do I know that? Well brother if a SMN has aggro over a SAM, you're clearly not trying bro. Like it can happen on the first gcds with summons potency, but past that, there is no way bro.
I am at best a casual tank. I dont do savage or ult or anything like that. I mostly play SMN to be quite honest. Hell, the reason I even started tanking in FF14 is I got so annoyed at tanks fucking up mechanics in normal Alexander when me and my wife were farming SHB Relic parts, that I was like "I CAN DO BETTER THEN THAT" and then did.
AOE rotation is the basic rule for pack pulling. Spin to Win. Its the easiest thing in the world. Honestly, other then chaining mitigations together, I find tanking at times to be easier then DPS. I just spin, hit mits, and make sure to dodge enemy AOE. Thats it. Thats all I have to do. Its...mind boggling to me that the tank was doing this. And the bit about the SMN running around interrupting the SAMs cast? The tank could Voke, sure....they could also use their RANGED ATTACK which has higher threat! That would also work. And Voke and that attack are both at RANGE. The tank doesnt even have to really MOVE to get the mob! Like what is going on with this insanity?!
I’ve had to tank as dps in dungeons before. The most memorable time was when the tank not turning on tank stance kept pulling and I kept pulling aggro off them
I use all tanking classes but main as paladin. I am not a fan of when dps pull enemies to me because I know what I am doing. Yet, as a tank I know what needs to be done to keep my group alive to do what they need to do. AoE damage is a must or your just dragging it out. Especially at the end of the game? Even if you skip you gotta learn your rotation and what's comes after. If you can't do the job pick something else or get better.
The tank's ign is Ren Tyrant
Everyone: "FFXIV's community is the most wholesome ever!"
Me: "...Until you scratch juust a little beyond the surface."
At least you know what you're getting in WoW. FFXIV drama stabs you in the back when you least expect it, and it takes epic proportions.
Feels like it's the game all twitter enablers that will call you abhorrent things for talking common sense play. FFXIV still the better game tho. ;p
That dude sounds like Ernie from Sesame Street omg
I will continue to not understand how they're confused by being assumed to be the persons friend -- if you speak up in favor of someone going "they're new, cut them slack" I assume thats because you KNOW them, hence why you know that they're new and not doing it on purpose. this SAM is seriously confused why someone would assume he's the tank's friend when hes....literally talking about them like he knows them???