FFXIV Raid Group DISBANDS | Xeno Reacts to Final Fantasy XIV Static Drama
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- Xeno Reacts to the story of Mysterious Girl and their Omega Ultimate Party that disbanded shortly after starting progging the raid. Will there be a part 3 to this FFXIV Drama?
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MMORPG drama is so pathetic because it's never about adversity or rivalry. The conflict arises entirely because people can't pause their antisocial behavior for a few minutes.
Ego is legit one of the biggest issues in any MMO. Or any online multiplayer game that you play with teammates, be it friends or randoms.
If they could pause their antisocial behavior they wouldn't be anti social in the first place.
@@Paraguai123the entire XIV story is literally about you saving the world and bringing your friends along, an egomaniac’s dream
@@frostmourne1986 this
@@SuleyBR Why would an egomaniac bring their friends and not do it alone?
I'm the WAR in this group and to give context, we formed a week or two before TOP dropped and we did some savage raids together to kinda get used to each other and also ran Baldicante EX blind. I think we also did some O12S unsynced with like missing gear for the "Unreal" experience. This was Mysterious Girl's group. Everything seemed pretty chill until we actually went in lmao. Can confirm that Anloix (the PLD) was moved around in roles.
The first clip was day 1 and the comment about Xenos taking a long time to get past phase 1 was more to highlight to him like. Bro. That's a group that went into it with the grindset in place, with I'm sure people taking off of work and had been going for literally most of the day. And even then, it takes time. Like our group didn't take any time off to raid longer or anything like that. It was the first hour of raid and he kept stopping us to try to figure out what we're doing wrong but like. We're just learning the fight. It's okay to take time. But the idea of me knowing this shit would happen and Xenos would see this sounds better, so we'll go with that. LMFAO. Looper is hard though for sure. Fuck that mechanic
Also in that clip, he said he'd make a diagram and later we said that if we found other strats other than snake prio, to post it in the discord to review and discuss before raid. Nothing was posted. So I assumed we were going to just. Ya know. Keep doing the defined strat.
The second clip was day 2 of the release and at that point I felt like we'd probably have had like legitimately 1.5 hours of prog due to how much we were stopping to "figure out what we're fucking up". I'm not gonna lie I didn't realize it was going on for that long because my PC crashed (PC dies of cringe) in the middle of the conversation but also I zoned out. I'm the reason why he said "I only see 6 of you in here" for the vod review of him showing us a clip of him fucking up lmao. I was promptly removed from home boy's server afterwards. I was also never DM'd by Mysterious with the comments about "these girls", but the other guys told me about it for sure.
To go further with the point Xenos was mentioning on removing the SCH and continuing, we definitely tried.
We ended up with a group of 5. I don't think the MNK and SMN came back afterwards to get the band back together, so we started recruiting more people. With more people coming along, the time availability starts to shift of course, so it got to the point where my schedule just wasn't fitting anymore, so I ended up joining and clearing with another group. I believe that Anloix DID actually end up clearing in PF like she said she would. BDE. But yeah good times. But better content.
Preciate you, Xeems lmfao
I like that you put Baldicante EX instead of Rubicante. 10/10
Glad to hear some of you continued to play together
@@RoyWirapati lmfao the word Rubicante is illegal on Xenos videos for sure
@@Raven3557 nice group honestly. Felt like it was fine. I legit did not think it would boom on day 2 going into it
Good context
"I cleared DSR on PF I can clear this too" amazing.
Idk if it was in PF, but she did 2 months later. A true legend.
@@ImBoredTooThe WAR in the vid has chimed in - apparently it was through PF.
She has the skill to back up her words it seems.
Whoever it was that called out xenos had future sight and knew xenos would react to their prog clip lmao
He was probably the one that sent the clip in. He had this all planned out to call out the baddies and put them in the hotseat
@@nathanswanson21 he gave us content 😭
i laughed so hard when i heard that holy shit
I had no idea this was gonna make it this far, but I'm glad it did lmfao.
@@HydroHomies thank you for this amazing moment lmao
I see this drama. Meanwhile, in my blind prog static, all members are constantly apologizing to each other while simultaneously telling each other to stop apologizing.
*Calmly and directly states why changing strats would be a dumb idea*
Someone in chat: "The Paladin seems too aggressive"
Man, that sure does explain a lot about people in this day and age.
I mean a part of it is because she’s a woman. If a guy explained stuff in this manner it would be fine but god forbid a woman get a tiny bit heated.
It’s easier for people to excuse gamer rages from men as ‘one-off occurrences’ than it is for people to deal with genuine one-off occurrences where a girl gets mildly heated.
@@scarletfreeman9211 get your head out of your ass
25:10 Wise words. I've been on this situation often. Some mechanics I learn quickly, but some take me a lot of time and error to get right. But with my static it has never been a problem. Everyone does their part, everyone learns at their own pace. In my static having fun as a group is actually more important than prog. Our view is that as long as you're having fun, it makes progging more worthwhile.
Sorry, but I'm just gonna call it like I see it: Mysterious Girl's brain couldn't handle that a woman was arguing against him using actual logic, so he latched onto the detail of her using herself in her own example and twisted it into her "playing the victim." He could not comprehend that there was sound reasoning to her speaking up against him, and tried to minimize her argument by labelling it as something it wasn't. And she was completely justified in not letting that go, and calling him out on it.
Even if it wasn't motivated by (perceived) gender, it's still a toxic thing to do.
So your saying he would have quietly accepted whatever he was told as long as it was by a man and not a woman? I mean sure...seems like a reach to me though. Im curious as to what made you think that? I see this person as the type of person to simply not get along with others easily. Hence why he's the one trying to put together a static. I'd bet he has been kicked from many. Some people are just twats.
@@maybeitsyou1317 I think that because of the message he sent to one of the other static members after the events of the video, where he had said something along the lines of being unable to deal with "these girls," and the static member getting a strong enough vibe about it that they mentioned that detail to others.
That, and like I mentioned, he classified her logical argument (about him needing to consider that he is not the one flexing during the mechanic and that others are the ones doing the extra work) as playing the victim. I have a very hard time believing that he would have assigned that criticism to a male teammate, especially when her explanation was objective and well-worded. (It didn't have any attitude or whining about it.) Those two things make me think that.
Of course, I also think he doesn't get along well with others in general, like you said. So it's probably both things, imo.
So to answer your first question, no, I don't think he would have quietly accepted what he was being told if it had been a man and not a woman. I didn't say that at any point. I think he still would have argued. But I believe he would have just stubbornly continued arguing for his strat or found other excuses to claim his idea was the better one, etc. Specifically, I don't think he would have gotten off topic/tried to discredit their arguement by claiming the teammate was playing the victim, with that particular word choice.
Huh, I raid on Crystal and I know that name "Mysterious Girl". I never raided with them directly, but I've heard enough from my FC mates that I know to stay away from them. Guy has some history apparently!
Same here lmao
Actually same. I've never had any experiences with them but I've heard the same from my FC. Just a loathsome person from what I'm seeing and hearing.
Oh, same. I've had a close friend run an expert dungeon with them. Girl accused them of being a heal bot farming for addersting and eventually start clicking off the shield the whole dungeon
Same as well. For me, I met this person during a level 50 dungeon (which was pretty easy). I remember that this person was about to argue with the tank and then just left the party while we were at the end of the dungeon. Which was weird tbh🧐
It took me a moment to recognize the name but then I looked at my blacklist and saw Mysterious Girl there and I remember reporting them for constantly throwing matches and spamming"Good Match" in Crystal Conflict. So this player isn't just toxic in raiding, they're toxic in pvp too.
The thing about groups disbanding when it's just like one problematic person is do true. I've seen it happen so often. Too often raid leaders don't want to be confrontational and kick a struggling person and that costs the group good members who get frustrated and leave then the group just has no chance to recover without those people and it dies.
expectations aren't properly set with every member of the group, and when it fails, people would rather try their luck elsewhere instead of trying to make it work, which is unfortunate as a lot of untapped potential is gone to waste
The reason why no one kicks is because no one wants to kick their close friends, siblings, lovers, cousins etc……
When a guild/free company or group always has certain people that never gets kicked that’s what can happen
This is why I stopped being a raid leader, I am guilty as charged for not being confrontational. I am simply not raid leader material, let someone else who is do it and I can jus chill and do my thing.
Happens in PF all the time. I don't generally want to be confrontational, but if after a few runs I can see a party is going to be a waste of my time and unpleasant to play with, I'll leave. Timewaste is a sort of disorganization issue to some degree. You have to organize your party and get people to commit to strat together, can't have someone being a bozo.
That's crazy if he really just didn't want to take orders from a female because that one girl was so well spoken and clear and concise with what she was saying, I could listen to her all day explaining mechanics/strats.
She stuttered quite abit and repeated the same point numerous times but go off frosty 🥶
@@fade9973 Yeah you're right I shouldn't have said that she is the most perfectest speaker ever who never stutters or makes a mistake or talks about the same point twice ever.
cringe simp detected
@@frostyliciousmayne Should of known better than to say she's never done any wrong never ever and is incapable of making mistakes ever😔
I find it funny how some people in Xeno's chat thought this was too blunt. In my midcore static we talk like this and everyone is on board with it cause we know it's not malicious. Plus everyone in that group is emotionally mature and would rather not beat around the bush. Their approach was honestly pretty nice for a hardcore/world race static (assuming they are likely hardcore given they are progging week 2 and said they were ahead of a lot of groups)
The difference is the emotional maturity something these people lack lmao
Old mate expects women to be meek and doesn't like pushback, becomes a piss baby when faced by someone with a backbone.
The PLD and the other girl totally knew what they needed to do to just clear the fight. The SCH sounds like someone who wants to manage the group without actually having the experience or knowledge to do so. "It's my group" mentality, like their opinion matters more just because they helped put together a bunch of people who could have easily come together any other way without him.
16:23 Real.
I remember failing and failing and FAILING this one Rubicante EX mech. The rotation mech where only a pizza slice is safe. Because I just couldn’t for the life of me see it fast enough or memorize the diagrams.
And one day a friend told me ‘just follow the cat ears.’
And I haven’t fucked up that mechanic since. It was possibly the DUMBEST way of explaining how to cheat your way to the safe spot, but it worked for me.
As someone currently struggling with said mechanic. What are these cat ears that can save my ass? I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION! ...please.
Lmao I literally say Meow out loud when this mechanic happens and I instantly know where to go 😂
Hahaha I remember doing O11S. I think it was level checker where you had to send two people to opposite sides and run around the arena taking towers. There was some strat where the tethered people start on the E and W sides of the arena, and depending on the orientation of the first towers (N-S or E-W), the rest of the party needed to stack either N or S of the center puddle. The way we remembered it was "hotdog north, hamburger south," because hot dogs are wide (E-W) and hamburgers are tall (N-S).
@@I_Is_Boredy I had a whole reply typed up and YT deleted it because I tried to link a screenshot of what I was talking about. ;-;
Fair warning: it's been forever since I've done RubiEX and I may be misremembering the exact position of the pizza slice but it will ALWAYS be by one of the cat ears.
But basically. Okay. So for the fourth rotation mechanic the ONLY circle you need to focus on is the inner circle. The two curved paths the Bad can take will ALWAYS have two pizza slices between them. Those curved slices + the lines between them will ALWAYS have the safe spot, it will never be on one of the four straight lines in a row.
So, knowing that, if you follow those two curved lines and the outer edge of the middle circle you'll get a shape kind of like a cat's head + ears. Something like this _ dnh _ just ignore the bottom of the circle on the D and that's the shape you want to be looking for. The underscores on the sides represent the two straight lines those curved ones connect to and help shape the 'cat ears peeking out from behind a surface shape' that helps to memorize the mechanic.
(Do remember the actual curved lines on the floor that you're looking for look something like this: ㄣ )
For the sake of an example I'm just supposing we get that mechanic going straight W -> E so the cat ears look normal. If the circle is rotating clockwise, you would want to stand on the pizza slice that the East cat ear/curved slice is on. If it was rotating ccw, you'd want to stand on the West one.
I am DEFINITELY not explaining this properly but figuring that out and figuring out that you can rotate with the cat ears saves a LOT of trial and error because one of those curved line areas at the start before the mech rotates is ALWAYS going to be the final safe spot for the mechanic once it's rotated. You just have to narrow down which one it is, and the advice I was given was literally "just follow the cat ears."
Was I by chance in that party xD Cause I remember joining a looooot (and I mean like 1000+ pulls of many different groups) of Rubi Ex prog parties to help out and used that "follow the cat ears" example lol
I qued into an expert roulette and got mysterious girl as a darknight tank and I was playing sage. They called me a heal bot for using toxicon on the first big pull, than proceed to manually click off all my shields for the hole dungeon and talked shit when i called then out for it.
Sounds like the melee DPS just became your new tank xD
Some tanks really need to jump off their high horse. When I tank, I couldn't give a flying rats ass if I am being overhealed or not. I don't need to be overhealed, yes it is a bit tilting when I press equillibrium, I am full hp and then the ast 5 seconds later uses essential dignity when I am already full. But it doesn't tilt me enough to not want to play with them, at least I know 100% I am not dying with them having my back and I can chill.
As a tank main who should be the primary healing target, I have a saying "I would rather be overhealed, than underhealed". I appreciate healers when they don't overheal and actually keep me alive, but I also appreciate healers that overheal just to make sure I stay alive because they are maybe not as experienced in the role and would rather not have us wipe. It is the right approach for less experienced healers to do this, but some of these tanks just expect them to be able to run before they can walk.
So weird for someone to get confrontational in a dungeon. I hardly even pay attention to what healers cast in that sort of content, as long as we are chugging along who cares, its supposed to be for fun.
@@IndigoVagrant 100% agree man, I just have a "you do you" attitude in dungeons. I go in, mass pull, if I die so what? just pull smaller next time. To quote the foo fighters "done, I'm done and I'm onto the next one". That's it, I don't want to sit around arguing I just want in > out > in > out.
Man, it's so nice being a tank main while not knowing shit about healing.
Just keep me alive, wonderful person, and I'll be greatful to you. And if I die, I always assume I'm the problem, and not the healer, because I main dark knight, the squisiest tank of them all, plus, refer back to the first sentence.
I mean I know that scholar because I came across him in pvp a few times. He's one of those people who gets legitimately offended when you kill them in pvp.
LOL. In frontlines? That would be absolutely insane. Nobody takes frontlines seriously
@@benji272 Someone actually disrespected me with emotes after the team killed me. After killed them once and made it clear it was me, they tried to focus me the entire frontline and dying constantly, cause they were so focused on me lol. Some people do take it too seriously i think.
I was completely on board with the one lady exasperatedly saying, 'Why are you still on about this?' She's exactly right, the decision was made, they should have just gotten back to progging and instead this one guy just insists on bogging everyone down because he's basically unable to satisfy the requirement of 'git gud'.
tbh if they had to disband then the problem is more than "just one guy couldnt get gud" it sounds like they have someone who talks over the guy and dismisses any idea he puts forth
They once rage quit a SoS extreme farm party because I didn't dance partner them. They are a massive baby who will throw a fit if they don't get their way, and I never looked back after blacklisting.
Loved Anloix’s (the PLD) attitude in first clip, just that “I don’t care about all this, I’m just pulling the boss”. She sounds fun to raid with, I’d probably enjoy tanking with her
Edit: it’s a shame he didn’t read the description of the video since there she explains why the static disbanded and sort of what happened to the other players after this incident
You must be fun at parties.
you think ffxiv players go to parties?@@KarthanRouge
@@KarthanRouge you don't need to be fun to get the job done.
Wait why didn’t they just kick the guy instead of disbanding? 😂
Probably because it was 2 days in and it probably wasn't their group, so they just decided to leave and try and find a new group with similar experience as quick as possible.
I think he was the RL from the response on reddit from OP
Mysterious Girl was the leader of the group so they couldn't kick him LOL. They did try to pull them back together but it was a typical disband where when it explodes it explodes
What is this, a facebook post? "I won't go into specific details about the horrible things this person said about me and the other in the static.............." ok then why are you bringing it up? You're literally bloating the post. Just say it or don't holy moly.
Into the video now and yeah it's a skill issue he should be moving around the other way to not take the tether. But in hindsight it's easy to say he's bad when looper was just an insufferable mechanic.
In prog, you never change the mechanic if the mechanic is working. Xeno's takes here are genuinely perfect. You follow majority rule, and if the majority rules for a bad strat you either suck it up and do it or you leave. Wish the rest of them would've stuck together, the PLD seemed fairly well measured but quick to leave unfortunately.
He just told you he loves the petty drama.. sooo
Gotta farm the petty drama for content.
So SCH couldn't handle being in a static role. Complained having the easiest job in that specific mechanic, he got called out on it and cried.
Pretty typical for healers lmao
It’s horrible when you get someone over complicating strats
This vid takes me back to my WoW Raid leader days.. I hated people that would try to have these discussions during raid nights.. so our approach was like "This is the tactics we are using. If you dont like it suck it up. then we'll open discussion AFTER the raid night.." The theory being most people learn by actually DOING the fight. rather than theorycrafting. So we look up tactics. we find one that we see worked in other raids. we do it all night. and if we didnt kill the boss. thats when we start going in deep over what went wrong and potentially trying something different.. they are wasting sooooo much time just sitting there not fighting the boss when i bet half of their problems were just dumb mistakes by people that just need actual practice. we would ofc address minor things like "Healer you stood in fire. dont do that" but we'd never change the "core tactic" during a raid night.
Disagree, it's better to spend some raid time going over the mech to make sure everyone is on the same page and understands the strat. If some people have a fundamental misunderstanding of the strat/mech, it's better to get that all ironed out first so that the reps are efficient. Once I started basically streaming a powerpoint presentation and quizzing the group for every hard mech and taking questions, we progged way faster than before.
@@NeurosisOsmosishe isn’t talking about teaching the strat. His group has a strat and he doesn’t like discussions on changing the strat mid raid. He likes executing the decided upon Strat that raid. Then they will discuss a different Strat in a post raid discussion. He isn’t wrong. You aren’t wrong either. Sometimes what people need is a lot of reps in order to get something down. Some groups may need it explained conceptually. Different leadership styles.
@@matthewmilam6578 this is it exactly, we would of course remind people of the strat and go over the strat for anyone that needed it. and address minor issues like "Warlock you stood on star when you should be standing on triangle" etc. Or things like "Hey can i go stand on square instead of X because of this reason" like sure whatever.. but the CORE strat of like "we're going to hold heroism till P3," "during phase 2 the adds will be kited from left to right" "We will split into 2 groups not 3" and its only after the raid night that we'll get together and discuss such things. to give people time to be like "Hey we tried this strat but i found a vid doing X strat that worked better for xyz reason" or "Why are we going left to right instead of right to left?" "going 2 groups is stupid we should go 3" etc etc kinda stuff that could go on all night if you let it.
STAND AND RESOLVE STRAT
I think their point of posting is just that more people were fine with the strat as is and this person just kept pushing and pushing and pushing back to change it. I mean, I have been in raid groups that have broken up simply because one person is having an issue. One person is wasting 7 other peoples time arguing to change something that the majority of the party isn't having an issue with and is entirely comfortable with, so I can kinda get what their point is. They just wanted to show that the person is stubborn and feels that their way is the only way to do something and everyone else should bend to that will.
haven't watched this yet but I personally raided with Mysterious Girl in ShB Verse and Promise. First of all I do not claim to be the world's best raider, blue green at best. But a lot of his behavior was super egregious and not conducive to a group setting. It's both insane and totally expected to me that he has not changed at all.
-Instead of trying to help the other healer, would give toxic comments and screenshot their xivanalysis and say bully words instead of offering constructive criticism.
-Would show up late or not at all to scheduled raid times forcing us to pug a healer on Crystal at the last minute for prog.
-Would skip raid with no warning when patch dropped to craft.
-Would be angry that a prog and reclear static wouldn't cater to his parses
-Often tried changing strats to benefit himself
-Accused us of wasting his time for not pf'ing the fights outside of static raid times. (Whats the point of having a static?)
-Would clear fights in pf and not understand why we'd be angry to lose out on loot come next raid day.
Toxic guy, only cares about himself. Wish him the best.
Someone seems to have a pathetic life so they have to act this way behind a computer screen to feel better about themselves it seems. Pretty pathetic and sad.
@@davidepannone6021 Its typical to see these people in raiding lol. Tbh its the norm
@@rjhick1 nah, in my case it's almost all the time being a positive experience. Maybe because I don't join speed/log runs so the toxicity is not that high lol
3 v 1 and hes still being self absored and stubborn. Who would have thought. I hooe this man gets "3 stacked" in his nightmares.
I was waiting for this lol. Mysterious Girl has had a pretty terrible reputation in Crystal for several years in high end prior to cross server party finder - very trappy, a jumper if they fuck up despite other ppl’s crits, very toxic. They also think they are very good at PvP; they are not very good at PvP. They get their confidence from putting others down because it doesn’t come from a logical place.
TBH, I thought I remembered the name "mysterious girl" from somewhere, maybe I remember some previous drama with them, lmao. But the dungeon vid's still pretty funny.
But all the mechanics are just “stand and let thing resolve” ezpz
You would think so the way lynx made it sound, huh? XD
At this point I learned 1 thing. Whoever is against PF strats or pf in general is usually a mess and the dark sheep in the grp lol
Man I fucking love pf. If any group does anything that’s not pf, then that’s not my group. XD
Pf strats are usually trending towards easiest method. Maybe not best dps wise, but easy enough for everyone to handle.
Levinstrike is one example.
Whats really bad is when people from static comes to pf and then force theirs tactic on everyone, surprised people have issues to adapt.
Ilya, Elmo, c83 caloric 1. PF surely doesn't always use the easiest strat lol
PF strats are about minimizing moving parts, which isn't necessarily always easier.
P7S and P8S had a ton of wipes because the "go to your spot and let thing resolve" strats with fixed positions would wind up killing one person because War cleaves weren't perfectly set in more stringent positions for 7, and in 8 Snakes 2 would get people petrified because static positions made avoiding gazes way harder than needed for 4 people standing right next to snakes as opposed to pairing at gaze safe spots then gaze debuffs rotating.
On the other hand, in attempting to get people to do more consistent but movement-involved strats, you get arseholes who are ride or die on the first strat they heard of picking arguments between pulls, and unfortunate people who can't seem to react in time whenever they are required to move. The latter are accommodated by low movement strats, and the former can basically only be broken from that mindset with a "stand on this marker and shut up already" response.
@@cyphi474 it’s not that they can’t it’s that they don’t want to.
wow so this is why that 10 month old TOP video showed up in my feed the other day, i totally didn't realize the SCH from that dungeon was the same one as this video xD
20:19 this happened to my Abyssos static. Three of my friends and I put together a static for Abyssos, with Asphodelos being our first raid tier in FFXIV for all 4 of us. We were still learning but were clearly getting better at the game, and sure enough, we started flying through Abyssos. We took 2 hours to clear Barbie EX from first entering it, then did a boss a week in Abyssos up until phase 1 Hephaistos. For context, it took us ~6 total months (including some month-long breaks) to clear all of Asphodelos, so going from a fight every 3 weeks or so to a fight a week for progression had us really confident.
But then we had an issue with our healers and one of the DPS. One of the DPS just learned more slowly than the rest of us, which in and of itself is not a huge issue if everyone is having fun. But our healers just were not healing enough and were focused too much on doing damage, which caused us to start severely regressing in P8S phase 1. We would have people die during dog 1 to just raw damage, despite mit not being an issue, and after having cleared P8S in PF a couple dozen times, it's honestly insane to lose someone to damage in freaking dog 1. One of the healers was clearly the bigger issue; for context, I died 3 times to raw damage on our first P5S kill despite executing my mit plan perfectly for the tank swap on all 3 occasions. We all knew it was the one healer's fault, but we pushed on because we got a week 1 kill only 2 days after the tier dropped, which was very fast for the overwhelming majority of the group. Once we got to P8S phase 1 and saw what was happening, we considered dropping them, but it was too late.
One night after failing to get to enrage (after 2 weeks of prog), one of the DPS posted on Discord that they were going to exit the group and take a break from FFXIV. What really sucked is, unlike most statics, we all got along well enough and when we disbanded, there was no bad blood, no one yelling at anyone or putting anyone on their ignore list or anything like that. We just didn't react soon enough to the healer who was the problem, and that snowballed into the static disbanding. I still talk to most of that group and have PF'd with them, but it taught me that if I ever want to be in a static again, I either need leadership that is going to make the hard decisions when they count or I need to be strong enough to make those decisions myself if I'm the leader.
I'm getting chills from reading your comment, since it is nearly 1-1 exact the same thing that happened to our group.
What i personally learned is that parse =/= skill, our healer farmed high parses at the end of Aspho raidtier and went into Abyssos with a Parse mentality.
That was getting quite annoying, that we wiped due to our healer not wanting to use defensive Gcds and thinks that using Ogcds is enough, because it was fine in Aspho.
The difference is in Aspho everyone had their gear already, but in early prog we are lacking so much Gear, so using gcds sometimes are required for safety.
Almost exactly what happened to my static except we ended up dismissing a DPS that couldn't learn P8S phase 1. It was really obvious that the rest of the group was getting frustrated so we ended up showing that DPS the door and we picked up a frankly amazing replacement for him that is still with us to this day.
it's always good to decide what strat works for the team more so than what works for one person. so i agree with the girls honestly. also, those guys who won't say a god damn thing when it comes to deciding should not be in a raiding environment. that's even more frustrating than dealing with the scholar lol
100% yes. They literally could have ended the argument as soon as a vote was called. Strat A or B wins? Great, we're done arguing, pull the damn boss, please. Revisit the argument later if needed.
As the old saying goes, MMORPG groups/guilds/ect. always get killed off by one of three things: Bickering over loot/someone ninja looting, someone sneakily getting a higher role in a guild and going on a giant power trip until they nuke the guild inevitably because they turn into a tyrant, and the Guild Leader's GF joining, getting endless simps in the guild and being given all the loot/good stuff because leader want to impress her, and the whole thing turning into a giant fight over her or against her until no one wants to be there anymore.
Honestly, they could've all left Mysterious Girl's group, made their own prog group and got someone else. That's what I would've done in their position.
Honestly, they probably did. I've been in situations where the static "disbanded" and then just quietly reformed with like 90% of the same people minus the problem ones.
WAR made a comment on the video saying that 5 of them did after, but filling the open spots caused time changes in the raid schedule that made him have to leave the group i think due to irl responsibilities iirc. So sounds like they tried at least
Also, the "use the strat if it's what PF uses" is honestly valid 99% of the time and is just good, proactive planning just in case the static falls apart. I can't tell you how long we had to re-prog P4S with a new recruit before going into PF to complete the fight because, while their healing was great and they were giving PF tanks a run for their money in terms of DPS, they learned all of P4S phase 2 in a static with their own unique strats that they had to try to unlearn before learning the PF way. Wasn't worth trying to do with them for our goals.
I think the only PF strat I've seen this expansion that is truly dumb is the tank damage down strat for P1S. That was just stupid.
Man xenos likes to complain when we want drama, but clearly he enjoys it too😂 ONE OF US
I think the only reason they didn't kick Mysterious was due to the SCH being the static leader. I suppose they could've talked things out and tried to make a group without the SCH.
bruh the ultimate raiding scene has the most unhinged weird people ngl even people in the rec/carry discords are insane and will jump on and harass people from just mob mentality to the point they stop playing the game, literally seen it happen twice to friends of mine in top and dsr just because some of these weirdo's are somewhat known in the aether community
So I looked Mysterious Girl up on FFlogs strictly to just see "Oh did they ever get the TOP clear?" And I find it sort of funny they did with a group called "Paladin Relative" when they have no PLD in the group. Was it a shot at the PLD in this video? Hmm
35:40
A lot of issues brought up in the video I've personally experienced, when I was doing TEA(on drop) though because of the grindset the people struggling would thankfully just take themselves out.
As time went on and I did more and more clears the people who really should've either fixed themselves or simply left just didn't and it ended up being a huge waste of time, difference of priorities really. People wanted to play with their friends vs clearing content.
That said something I really internalized from the whole ultimate experience is that the other 7 people in your party are your TEAM.
They don't want you to fail, they want you to succeed so if you're trying to figure out a mechanic good on you but after the 8th hour and having maybe a 50% consistency rate what you need to do is simply tell your team: "Hey I don't get this and I need help/suggestions because I'm holding us back." usually what happens is someone whose good at whichever said mechanic will literally swap sides with someone and just have them follow them or they'll do callouts for that part particularly and it will instantly raise consistency to at least 80-90%.
The issue is the people who don't have the mentality to humble themselves before their team and ask for help. I have seen groups gated by some of the dumbest shit and on the last day of raid I asked this one girl "Hey I noticed you're struggling, why do you do this, etc. How about I just swap healers and you follow me?" Instant consistency raise to 80% but we spent 4 straight months of this girl failing over and over again and no one said anything myself included; because I didn't want to take a leadership position again.
That was a mistake there needs to be a careful balance from everyone to keep each other accountable.
the moment he said “that’s the wrong pull, sorry” i would’ve just ignored him and pulled. you’ve gotta be kidding me lmfao
I remember having a similar discussion between yolo/closest tether and snake prio. At the end of the day yolo tether grabbing required communication and thinking while snake was generally more braindead. And when that is the first mech of a long fight that gets performed hundreds of times before a clear, might as well make it braindead.
our Looper strat: if you need a tether, you go inside omega's hitbox. if you don't, stay the fuck out of it. GG, worked 95% of the time. especially if you see this mechanic 500+times
tether players preposition inside omega in the direction they want to take the tether out and walk out at like 2-3s left. everything else was just flexing, at pull 50 it was easy to even watch your tower buddy and don't take the tower next to you, if it means that your buddy needs to run 180°. you adjust 90° so your buddy also only has to run 90°.
The trio of idiots in the dungeon run drama were still in the wrong, this drama doesn't change that fact.
No you're right, that dungeon was just an "everybody sucks here" scenario
A lot of groups lack a strong raid leader to make final decisions. Like, yes of course you should listen to feedback, but on the flipside it's also okay for the lead to say "I've considered it and we aren't making any changes. Period."
I'm still watching the video during this but just here to add onto Mysterious Girl's list of silly BS lmao
I'm in a discord with them and they throw shit at people helping them with tech support regarding... illegal things. Like literally insulting people that try to help them lmfao
This person just has a huge ego and self-centered personality and that everyone exists to serve them and that's probably why they end up in the shit they do lmao
my lord, this is why i party find, i was part of a static and man when a statics good its effective, but when its notttt, fmmmllllll
What I don't understand is that it is the healer having trouble with the mechanic. It seems most people in the static are not having a tough time with the mechanic. When you are the only one failing a mechanic the problem isn't everyone else who is doing it correctly.
A woman gets justifiably upset: She was too aggressive. I don't blame them. In just hard core content I do, I'm almost always universally ignored when I propose strats. We just grin and bare it. But when they decide to finally use one of my previously proposed strats, you can bet your ass I'll be obnoxiously smug about it
This drama is so mid I've had bigger arguments lmao regret wasting 30 mins on this
LMAO seen mysterious girl around alot lately, drama right under my nose.
shutting down paladin because it is not drk is such a baby whine lmao
I am late to seeing this vid, but Static drama is always started by players who don't really know the fights or by the players who can't admit they aren't the BEST player in the game. The last static I was in was back in Shb and everyone quit after our raid leader told me mid prog "I don't think I want players with kids in my static." All because during tethers my son ran in and hugged me, which caused me to miss my window and I died right before a large heal spam causing 2 others to die, no one else was upset with me, and after that prog night 4 others came to me and said they wanted to leave the static because of the raid leaders comments that night.
man i could be binging anime instead of watching drama lmao
doing all this endgame stuff seems more stressful than fun
what the healer is talking about on caster prio over snake was good for ast blm groups bc it moved them less but you dont start out with that strat. you should only worry about that if you arent meeting the dps check.
it's basically use focus target and use your eyes which when you arent doing well on timing yet when you are newer to the mech you shouldn't do it
you can tell there is nothing to do when the most content you get from the game is people starting petty drama and watching other people react to all of it
Agreed 100% I was going to say this as well! Thanks 👏🏻
Happens every time we get to a .5 patch unfortunately.
Most original assessment of a content lull. Congrats.
@@PareSM too bad they can’t do anything productive or positive other than bring to light more drama and arguments
Wait, what happened to no ract?
No rekt rule probably was made after this rekt. Guessing here.
he said ffxiv stuff was fine
Its a dude and calls himself Mysterious Girl? That alone makes me want to stay far away from him.
That sounds like a relationship therapy. WFT .... kick and replace that idiot. Or send him to WoW we will educate him :)
I enjoy your perspective, dislike how you just say the same thing 12 times.
Try adding some structure to your review.
boring drama, im dissapointed at this community
ikr and some people mad for not winning the best community this year 😂😂😂
25:17 I couldn't agree more.
I personally really struggled with mechanics like DOTH in DSR but the moment I asked a friend to sit down with me and he explained in a way that made it click for me I started being very consistent at it.
I've been encountering Mysterious Girl in CC a lot lately. Whenever he dies or the team is losing, he spams the chat and marks certain players with Target to Ignore.
holy shit, it took me a little while to remember who Mysterious Girl was but this was the person who blew up my tells after we lost an unranked CC match lmao
i feel like if one of them at least said "why are you having a hard time, you do not have to adjust or anything" it would have humbled that healer real quick
He's right it they can do it, I can do it to,I'll see you in court xenos
6K audio btw. xffing
I'm only at 12 mins so far but yeah snake is perfectly fine, and the " skill issue" was so correct !
If you want to replace a strat that only you can't do it, then yeah ... on you
Pretty sad this group disbanded instead of replacing the problem like Xeno said
I think it's a problem that can happen quite often, people are so hype for the content ( like me, I love progging new ultimates ) they're gonna be impatient very fast, instead of just accepting that a mechanic can be hard, or that a strat that you want to use on that mechanic is gonna take a little bit of time for everyone to get use to and that's fine !
And yeah also loop is far from being easy to prog at the start, and you have to accept that !
that girl the pld is savage man
not even, just honest and doesn't want her time wasted
pld is just a “no bullshit” type of person that’s it lmao
@@ruesalka I mean in my experience in raiding in europe we all are more tammed and less direct because we want the static to work just like xeno is saying about the mentality of disbanding everything for just one person.
@@chewedw1re ye but compared to what i saw since ARR in europe raiding groups, we kinda have more a mentality of working for a static out for the raid tier or in some cases even after
@@chewedw1re it sounds like this was a new group - being direct helps them all figure out early if they're going to be able to work together or not, and avoid wasting one another's time like the healer was doing. we don't know, maybe (hopefully) they reformed without him, the rest seemed to be on the same page.
I'd agree with Xeno's point which he starts explaining around 20:00, but in most cases people don't wanna deal with the burden of organizing stuff around 7 other players, like getting in touch with them, look for a fitting schedule, do a trial, etc. It's cumbersome, so maybe in the majority cases of static disbands are happening because they just want to be in a good group, but don't wanna go the mile to build it themselves.
I always suggest PF strat, in case you got shit like this and disband, you can join anyone easily. as well as finding replacement
In party finder, I see static groups looking for class replacements constantly. I don't run savage content, due to this. But heard bad stories.
holy shit this vid was cringe inducing
not one of the 7 other people came out and just said "we're 3-4 people want to do it this way, we're doing it this way, suck it up and get over it or leave, countdown in 30 seconds"
Nope, just awkward fucking silence. They were acting like this was someones boyfriend or something.
Wait a min…I REMEBER THIS HEALER!!! This MF ruined my prog/reclear parties for p8s cuz they couldn’t do SNAKE 1 or Snake 2 properly 😂😂😂😂
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@@azemstarkiller5539 I shit you not they flexed when I had to flex if we had the same debuff it was AIDS
this guy has hardcore main character syndrome and it is painful to watch
Man the whiplash from hearing ilya LR was too much.
I'm mad that I know mysterious girl personally...
Are they mentally I’ll?
Mysterious was a known element to crystal pf.
chat do we tell him about lyra aerite of tonberry
Details please
Been playing this game for 2 years and I have no idea what they were talking about at all.
OMG I remember having arguments in my first TOP static over Snake Prio as well with some of the same reasoning used about rotating 180 degrees being too hard. It's really not you can rotate 270 degrees if you have to.
every time you cater to one player the group fails and disbands. Every time you KICK the 1 or 2 players that are the problem we clear 90% of the time. this standard should be enforced 100% it has worked for me and my fellow friends since ARR to now. being nice or TOO tolerant to other players in ff14 is actually bad for your own personal health. pretty much an unaware hypocrite to yourself. SO! if my point is if you see a players just wanting to change something because its not working for the other seven are doing just fine with current strat then just kick them.. dont waste time with arguments, you are pretty much encouraging the behavior even more if you give me a chance to argue.
It seems like the group worked well together I would have just kicked that one guy
This just happened to randomly pop up on my feed but:
I raided with Mysterious Girl in my week 1 Abyssos group. Within the literal first 30 minutes or so, they had an actual meltdown because our tanks didn't want to invuln the buster in P5S because of the bleed (which is the correct take, obviously.) While we were in P8 we wasted so much precious time having the long, protracted strat discussions that are seen in this video. Literally while the instance timer was ticking while we were progging Phase 2 they would refuse to pull so we could have these ridiculously long discussions about what strats to use. It was always the strats fault, never the player. This behavior does not surprise me in the least.
Useally the one who talks a lot makes more mistakes. Just need 1 person talking and explaining.
Lets gooooo finally another drama
Just pull really is the way. Especially if you're just only barely into the fight. Get some practice first, then analyze how raid went AFTER RAID, or at the very least get a couple hours of pulls in, and if you're walling, alright let's hash it out for a few minutes.
And the people who stayed quiet really need to contribute to communication. Could've ended the argument one way or another right there when they called for a vote. Whoevers strat gets outvoted, great, we're done. We're doing it whichever way the team voted and we can discuss more LATER if needed. Ezpz pull the damn boss.
Omega: OMFG JUST KILL ME!!!
Yea I'm sorry but I'd be that one guy not giving a shit about all this watching the boss timer tick away, just being like "Lets do this LEEEEERRRROY JEEENNNNKKKINS" rushing the boss pulling it into the group and watching them stop talking and now running around like chickens with their heads chopped off, and 90% of the time being a tank and not giving one fuck about them just do this and figure it out as we go. And I don't care if you kick me or not, just pick a strat and Lets Do This!!
@11:30 ALERT WideDinkDonk 6k brick audio WideDinkDonk ALERT
I can't stand people that talk and nitpick like that guy. The part when someone barely said something during his talk over everyone monologue and him pausing outright to chastise them "interrupting" him was the final nail for me. Forget everything else that's some weakling shit
Good ract but serious question xeno, do you wipe or let is crust?
MORE DRAMA LETS GOOO
That was really interesting, but f**k that SCH lol
Him not casting made him the unlikable asshat for me at the end, everything else was just... eh, whatever, there's way worse.
EDIT: Unless he is afk.
This is part of the reason I don't savage raid. I don't have time or stamina to do the raids and I have even less emotional stamina to deal with passive aggressive nerds pretending to be bunny people on the internet. Over pixels.