The Ausar love-fest is insane. I'm still high on him but jeez no-one kills the floor spacing like he does. The notion you need to specifically tailor lineups to maximise his skillset is fair, but it's not the starting lineup + he isn't the franchise cornerstone that demands you bend over backwards to accomodate his flagrant bricks. Resign SImone, get another PF (Bridges, Kuz, Tobias etc) that can also shoot the 3 and start the lineup of Cade/Ivey/Simone/PF/Duren. Ausar plays 20-25mins off the bench until that 3pt shot is in the 30's% (or at least demands a close-out). Can't have someone in the starting 5 be given the Ben Simmons treatment on offence.
To me, even though Ausar can't shoot, not by a long shot (pun intended), his other attributes are so enticing that you have to give him 3 seasons before moving on. If for some crazy reason he figures it out, his ceiling is almost unmatched in the NBA. He is kind of like a lotto ticket in that way. My other take is that we get to watch him develop twice in two different scenarios. He and Amen are as close to clones as you can get, so if one takes a jump in any area then I am convinced the other can and will as well. However, if neither make major strides in the next few seasons, then I will be even more convinced that they simply are what they are. I would like nothing more than for Ausar to blossom into a star in Detroit. I've never enjoyed watching a worse shooter in my life, so if he figures that out, he'll be royalty here.
@@ronaldmcdonald1977 He didn't affect winning as a rookie but that's really normal. Most rookies suck. Most guys suck until they're like 23 honestly Scouting is being able to see what a player is doing and understanding how those skills will develop. It's why people saw Anthony Edwards at Georgia and thought he could be a star even though he had 40/29 shooting splits on a Georgia team that went 5-13 in the SEC and "didn't affect winning" It's how people knew Isaiah Stewart could develop into a solid three point shooter despite shooting 5/20 in college Ausar will be better as his teammates improve because he has a ton of connective skills. He has great vision and is a quick decision maker who really understands the game. And his cutting will be amplified as they improve as passers Plus he's a good outlet passer and in 2-3 years he'll be an insanely good defender. Think Alex Caruso but with better physical tools than Herb Jones. Plus he'll be a great weakside rim protector and rebounder But he does require you to play a big (6'8" +) forward who can shoot.
He’s the young mystery box player that’s why Ausar is number 2. He could possibly develop his shot and he’s already proven to be a great defender, slasher and good passer. His athleticism sets him apart. He’s clearly the number 2 most valuable
Personally, I’d keep Ivey and Duren and let them both have a 3rd year of development. Big mistake to move them prematurely. I’d like to see both of them in second unit for this year. Trades or FA to fill the starters at 2 and 5. Ideally, a new coach to pull it all together. I don’t want to panic and give up on talent too early.
DLo and Monk would be good option at guard. I like Jalen Smith at center, but Langdon might trust Jonus V as a vet leader. If we should also look at a backup or third string PG.
Pistons fan comments are so toxic right now. As a Pistons fan I know it sucks right now but I choose to focus on the positives. As it stands today we have never had this much young talent, EVER. We still have Cade who I believe can absolutely be an MVP im not saying he will but he definitely can be. He needs some shooting around him, shooting, shooting, shooting. I'm choosing to get behind Trajan Langdon 100% and whatever he decides to do with this team/roster I will support.....so until then can we please stop attacking our players?
Last official update is that he would be ready by training camp. Last I heard, he was not yet ready to be full time/no limits training. Whenever I hear another update, I’ll be sure to let everyone know!
@@LockedOnPistons ok sweet. My hope is that he is still able to be in the gym shooting/ working on handle currently but just isn’t a full go for high intensity cardio and what not. That’d be a big difference in his ability to put in work this off-season and progress. If he’s not even able to be in the gym shooting then that’s really bad news. It’s a huge off-season for him.
I wouldn't expect Ausar to be better next year because the Pistons medical staff can't be trusted. But he should be back for a portion of the season and be poised for a big year three. If he heals faster and is 100% day one that will be a nice surprise.
@@Jamar-lg9ob I have no idea why you think that: the fact that he is the second-best player on the team suggests a starting role....and also says more about the horrible GM than it says about Stew.
@@scottwickett1273 he not can't dribble not a good passer average shooter not a lob threat can't attack close out no post game limited athleticism what's his strength? versatility
@@Jamar-lg9obStew is our second best defender probably our best leader. Shooting 38% from three gives what every NBA offense needs... Spacing! Considering the awkward fit with Cade and Ivey how many more ball dominate players does the starting five need?
Cade and Ausar are definitely the top 2 most important players for the Pistons and around the league they are certainly viewed as such. I’d go with Ivey as the 3rd guy but it’s debatable between him and Duren. Duren would be a beast 20 years ago but now his natural playstyle is outdated and I’m not sure how he adjusts especially defensively he needs to rotate and communicate better. I know Simone helped out and is a solid role player but he is 28 and already at his ceiling and Beef Stew is a backup center Pistons should’ve known that years ago lol
Most valuable archetype in the NBA is non shooting Defensive specialists for sure. I mean look around the NBA, all the best teams have defensive specialists that can’t shoot. Ben Simmons comes to mind.
Ben Simmons would still be an elite role player if he wasn’t always injured he has a bad back so he’s a bad example for this. I know he was never going to return to All-Star caliber but a fully healthy Ben Simmons is still a top 80 player in the league at least
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 he’s definitely that good defensively. But his inability to shoot keeps him off the floor in this system and on this team. We need a floor spacing starting center and knock down shooters every else for him to get a lot of minutes to contend for all nba defender.
@@bkelly625 so Ben Simmons is an elite athlete, rim attacker, that’s a DPOY candidate anytime he plays. Pretty much what Ausar can be. How valuable is that? That pretty much gauges this whole discussion.
@@scottwickett1273 Brook Lopez was a terrible defensive player the first half of his career. People said you couldn't build a top 10 defense around Jokic KAT was a terrible defender early on. Ayton was a terrible defender early on and in year three was so good Phoenix was matching his minutes to Giannis in the NBA Finals Derrick Lively was a terrible defender at Duke _last year_ !! Mo Wagner, Goga Bitadze, Alperen Sengun (Houston had #9 defense), Isaiah Hartenstein, Rob Williams. DeAndre Jordan went from terrible defender to a DPOY candidate The NBA is filled with guys who were bad defenders at 20. Guys like Chet and Wemby and Mobley are massive historical outliers. Most young bigs are bad defenders
@@astrahl He still doesn't weigh enough to be a 4, and I don't know why people want to waste him like that. The future is giants, he presents much more of an advantage as a perimeter player.
@@scottwickett12734 or 1 until shooting get average all these 4s do now is post on perimeter plus he a great weak side rim protector can switch on guards on screen can be very effective attacking close out and in dunker spot and great passer totally a mix match at 4 if DeRozan can do it asuar fs can
@@scottwickett1273 I don’t think he should be a 4 either I agree. But there are times throughout the game where I think he could slide into the 4 and play minutes. Especially as he gets stronger in the next few years. It’s not that crazy is all I was saying
Ku, it’s impossible to argue with your rankings as it is all subjective after #1, I think everyone agrees is Cade. Ausar’s offense this year was beyond bad, but his defense was great. I think we can live with that for a short time but that offense needs to come around, you can make every excuse in the book (which you don’t do for other players) but it just needs to be better. Stewart is a tough one. You say we learned he is best as a stretch 5 this season, which I agree, but we saw so little of it. And would he be effective in this role as a starter or does it mean he comes off the bench? You mention his most common usage by far was as spot up with 183 possessions. That is fewer than 3 a game, not a huge impact. He is unfortunately such a tweeter I think he is a solid bench guy on a good team. He wouldn’t make my top 3.
@@teezzz9645 neither Ivey nor Ausar fit if they are going to run what Monty ran this last season. Playing faster and with much more movement in the offense off ball would benefit this team a lot. Ausar’s defense and athleticism give him potential to be elite, all he needs is a shot and he’s the best player on the team.
Exactly! The fact that Stew is the second-best player on the team is an indictment of the very worst GM who ever lived rather than an endorsement of Stew.
@@scottwickett1273 he is a undersize player with no true position and don’t lead the team in no defensive category. he’s not our top rebounder when A Thompson Plays more than 20 minutes he is our lead shot blocker and he led the team in steals.
Yall said the same about Killian hayes because of his defense and assist. We are in trouble Fans. When your #2 guy shoots 18% from 3 and isnt a big man we are in trouble yall. This is very Ben Simmonish. The guy keeps getting opportunities.
@@LockedOnPistons Who has never done anything for any team hes been on. Those fancy defensive stats has not translated into wins. We trying to win, not have cute stats. I like Ausar and would like to keep him, but it doesnt look good when hes your second best player. If we can trade him for a legit 3 and D players, then do so.. Herbert Jones OG Anuboly Jaden McDaniels Josh Hart
@@teezzz9645 I dont think hes bias, just his preference of players bro. Ausar is a defensive beast, just cant shoot. I want to keep him, just dont him as an untouchable player.
Ausar as the #2 most valuable piece makes 0 sense. He cannot shoot at all! What team in the playoffs have you seen a wing not be able to shoot?! If we are playing the long game then sure let’s develop him but all I’ve been hearing is that we need to surround Cade with pieces so we can put a better product on the court.
This is the reason this team is in the middle of one of the worst decades for any team in nba history. Constantly overvaluing players that realistically do nothing. He is the same player as Killian Hayes. Can't shoot, can't do anything, just athletic enough to appear as a good defender. He is a bust fs.
Remember these pod casters are the same people that hype up Killian Hayes for 4 yrs no matter how horrible he was. They are doing same with Ausar. When the stat show that IVEY is the next best player on this roster.
@@limpbizkit6994way more athletic way better defender way better off ball on offense and defense asuar got all NBA defense athleticism work ethic and iq
@@Jamar-lg9ob Ausar is more athletic, which makes him a better defender. He isn't a starting level defender. Offensively he is absolutely horrible in every way. He might be able to dunk every now and then maybe. Other than that, he is a net negative on the offensive end, and he isnt big enough, or a good enough defender, to be an anchor. Which if someone is providing zero offense, they better be 7 feet tall and completely shutting down the paint. Neither of which he can do. Zero offense, mid nba defense, at his best he isn't a starter on a contending team.
Trade Stewart , 5th pick and other draft compensation for Capela and Hunter...2 defensive pieces! Hunter shoots 38% from three and Capela can mentor Duren! Sign Naja Marshall, he shoots 38% from three also! Thus gives us an opportunity til the trade deadline to see if our young guys have improved! We can make our decision then! Capela is on an expiring contract, so we'll will have flexibility next off-season!
Why trade for Capela and Hunter and give up 5th pick when you can go into free agency and get the same caliber players. Jonas V is a vet that can mentor Duren, and Mile Bridges is a better player than hunter and is shooting around 36% from three.
@dbuck2862 , Defense is the difference! Bridges is not a good defensive player nor is Jonas! Jonas is destroyed on switches and Bridges is talented but 3 pt shooting is streaky! Those players are not the same! Not bad additions! Capela is on a expiring , if it doesn't! Jonas would have to be signed to a longer I'm sure! He's not looking for a 1 year deal!
@@KevinWilliams-ci1sh Capela also limited on defense now, and they say he not a leader in the locker room. Capela old as well and Hunter isn't worth a 5th pick in the draft, either way free agency is best option instead of trading top 10 away pick for scrubs. Look at ATL now they been trying to dump Hunter off on team for years and no one wanted him.
Cade. Asuar. Duran. Stewart MUST GO. He is only a 'try hard, but never good enough guy.' He's not a shot blocker, he's not a rebounder, he is not athletic, he has no around the basket moves, and he's not even one of our top 3 point shooters. Name me one team in the NBA that will not just trade for him, but that will put him in their starting lineup. He is dead weight. Other players contribute in more than one category, he waits for a 3 point opportunity, then on defense, he gets out jumped for the rebound and scored on. This is his game.
@scottwickett1273 I have watched every single play and Every game. I see Stew always reaching and getting out jumped on rebounds, he has no mid-range shot, no around the basket game. The only power forward he can defend is guys like Draymon Green, LeBron old slow, flat footed Guys. He cannot defend Centers and PF's
Giannis, Zion and Amen can’t shoot a lick either and it’s not like Kuminga, Aaron Gordon and Jalen Johnson are flamethrowers out there. These freak athletes, which Ausar qualifies as, don’t always have to be able to shoot to be good players
@@bkelly625actually yes compared to Ausar, everyone you named are flamethrowers from three. It’s not even close, that’s how bad he is. And let’s not pretend he’s anywhere as dominant as Zion or Giannis, that’s ridiculous. And there’re all post defenders, which would negate Ausar’s best role as a perimeter defender. Except for Kuminga who’s shooting is way better than Ausar’s.
@@arthursese6068 Amen was playing the 4 and 5 for the Rockets the last couple months of the season and they were winning. Ausar can do similar things even with no shooting and ik he doesn’t have Giannis or Zion upside but that’s not what anyone is expecting he’s still incredibly valuable being a top 10 athlete in the league means a TON and the team has to work around his shooting limitations. All-Defense caliber upside players who are elite attacking the rim and rebounding are not easy to find. Amen was still guarding every position 1-5 while being a 4 and 5 offensively Ausar can do that too
Even if you didn't watch the games last season you can look up the 5 player +- statistics and see Stew in many of our best lineups. Including those with Cade. What does Stew do which doesn't fit with Cade?
Stew and Cade yes. Ausar? Absolutely zero offensive production, and situational defense that purely relies on his athleticism. He is too small to be a defensive anchor. Sure he'd be cool to have off the bench and guard a sixth man or something. Why tf are overvaluing this slightly taller and more athletic Killian Hayes? He fucking sucks.
@@limpbizkit6994 No, he's awesome and you're wrong. I understand you're drowning in pessimism (as am I), but you needn't lie to support your entirely accurate claim that everything is hopelessly fucked.
@@scottwickett1273 really gotta disagree with ya Scott, I am not able to ignore the glaring resemblance to Killian. No offensive production, could argue even less considering Killian could be a playmaker sometimes. They both cannot shoot, and they are both athletic enough to seem good at defense. None of this is false. He simply isn't a starter in the nba. Maybe not quite Killian bad tho.
@@limpbizkit6994 There is zero resemblance to Killian, you are completely wrong and apparently blinded by despair. Ausar is a super athlete even by the lofty standards of the best league on the planet, Killian was never anything like that. You are simply lying here.
Cade’s ‘breakout’ season he shot 2% higher on both FG and 3s with the whole offense run to suit him than ‘trade that bum’ Ivey who the coach intentionally played to his weaknesses.
@@scottwickett1273 Ivey’s first year numbers, when he took an injured Cade’s role, were the same as Cade’s first year numbers on a team that was worse. Ivey’s second year numbers are better than Cade’s second year numbers (though he only got 12 games, but Ivey’s first 12 were better as well) while Ivey was asked to play a new role not playing to his strengths. Ivey’s defensive rating was only about 1/2pt worse than Cade’s as well as the shooting only being 2% different. Not sure where you get the giant gap from.
I would rather have the 5th pick or Stewart individually over Kuzma I wouldn't take Kuzma as a free agent signing. Not that my opinion matters it doesn't.
@ZachErickson-0222 stew might be better percentage wise but isn't a better 3 point shooter than kuzma. Kuzma can self create off the dribble and stew is just catch and shoot. Stew shot a better percentage than Damian Lillard but we all know Damian is taking crazy 3s and the better 3 point shooter.
I'd try and keep the #5 pick (if someone really likes someone like Dalton or Buzelis - give them Grime + Sasser) but I'd do this easily. I get the Kuz slander but bro was playing with Jordan Poole - that does shit to you
This guy I’m starting to believe is the biggest sell out. JALEN DUREN AT THE AGE OF 20 RANKED 5TH IN REBOUNDS THIS SEASON. UNDER ONLY SABOS, GOBERT, DAVIS & JOKER. STOP GLAZING AUSAR & STEW BRO TF. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
@@scottwickett1273So is offense and ausar is very bad at that so whats your point??? Its an offensive league in 2024. I cant wait until Duren is dropping 24 and 12, I will be back here for receipts, just like when you and thw killian cult were telling us how awesome his D and playmaking was lol
This dude and ausar lol I'm sorry but you been playing basketball all your life and haven't developed at least an ok shot it will never happen buddy is g-league and pro-am only its not gonna happen PERIOD!
It’s not “this dude and Ausar” It’s literally the Pistons and the NBA with Ausar. He’s incredibly valued by almost the whole league right now. Maybe in a year if he doesn’t improve and that mystique runs off that changes, but right now this isn’t just a Ku opinion.
Plenty of players developed a three late in their career. Will Ausar? Some wings can't shoot but are so good teams are built around them. Does that happen for the Thompson Twins?
Ausar and Cade are the most overrated players I’ve ever seen hyped up. Ausar as a plus All Star potential? Cade as a potential top 15 NBA player? It’s delusional
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The Ausar love-fest is insane. I'm still high on him but jeez no-one kills the floor spacing like he does. The notion you need to specifically tailor lineups to maximise his skillset is fair, but it's not the starting lineup + he isn't the franchise cornerstone that demands you bend over backwards to accomodate his flagrant bricks. Resign SImone, get another PF (Bridges, Kuz, Tobias etc) that can also shoot the 3 and start the lineup of Cade/Ivey/Simone/PF/Duren. Ausar plays 20-25mins off the bench until that 3pt shot is in the 30's% (or at least demands a close-out). Can't have someone in the starting 5 be given the Ben Simmons treatment on offence.
You're right, this team's core is still one (1) player.
Put asuar at 4 and More ball handling duties
@@Jamar-lg9ob Stop trying to ruin my beautiful shooting guard.
Why should you prioritize PF over SG when Stewart is better than Ivey?
@@scottwickett1273 how
To me, even though Ausar can't shoot, not by a long shot (pun intended), his other attributes are so enticing that you have to give him 3 seasons before moving on. If for some crazy reason he figures it out, his ceiling is almost unmatched in the NBA. He is kind of like a lotto ticket in that way. My other take is that we get to watch him develop twice in two different scenarios. He and Amen are as close to clones as you can get, so if one takes a jump in any area then I am convinced the other can and will as well. However, if neither make major strides in the next few seasons, then I will be even more convinced that they simply are what they are. I would like nothing more than for Ausar to blossom into a star in Detroit. I've never enjoyed watching a worse shooter in my life, so if he figures that out, he'll be royalty here.
It's clear that a lot of you can only comprehend what you see in the box score
I question their comprehension of what they see.
Ausar did not affect the game into wins period.
Sounds like the killian cult line that was used on the people that actually know basketball and wanted him gone 3 years ago. GTFOH
@@ronaldmcdonald1977 He didn't affect winning as a rookie but that's really normal. Most rookies suck. Most guys suck until they're like 23 honestly
Scouting is being able to see what a player is doing and understanding how those skills will develop.
It's why people saw Anthony Edwards at Georgia and thought he could be a star even though he had 40/29 shooting splits on a Georgia team that went 5-13 in the SEC and "didn't affect winning"
It's how people knew Isaiah Stewart could develop into a solid three point shooter despite shooting 5/20 in college
Ausar will be better as his teammates improve because he has a ton of connective skills. He has great vision and is a quick decision maker who really understands the game. And his cutting will be amplified as they improve as passers
Plus he's a good outlet passer and in 2-3 years he'll be an insanely good defender. Think Alex Caruso but with better physical tools than Herb Jones. Plus he'll be a great weakside rim protector and rebounder
But he does require you to play a big (6'8" +) forward who can shoot.
He’s the young mystery box player that’s why Ausar is number 2. He could possibly develop his shot and he’s already proven to be a great defender, slasher and good passer. His athleticism sets him apart. He’s clearly the number 2 most valuable
Personally, I’d keep Ivey and Duren and let them both have a 3rd year of development.
Big mistake to move them prematurely.
I’d like to see both of them in second unit for this year.
Trades or FA to fill the starters at 2 and 5.
Ideally, a new coach to pull it all together.
I don’t want to panic and give up on talent too early.
DLo and Monk would be good option at guard. I like Jalen Smith at center, but Langdon might trust Jonus V as a vet leader. If we should also look at a backup or third string PG.
Ausar. Plays solid defense...scores in various other ways....we must keep this already defensive specialist
Pistons fan comments are so toxic right now.
As a Pistons fan I know it sucks right now but I choose to focus on the positives. As it stands today we have never had this much young talent, EVER. We still have Cade who I believe can absolutely be an MVP im not saying he will but he definitely can be. He needs some shooting around him, shooting, shooting, shooting.
I'm choosing to get behind Trajan Langdon 100% and whatever he decides to do with this team/roster I will support.....so until then can we please stop attacking our players?
We have talent! They were misguided and misused last year!
@@KevinWilliams-ci1sh The core of this team is still one (1) player; I certainly agree that he is talented!
Is Ausars health going to limit him from training this off-season. Haven’t got an update on that from my understanding. Is he going to be ok to play?
Last official update is that he would be ready by training camp.
Last I heard, he was not yet ready to be full time/no limits training. Whenever I hear another update, I’ll be sure to let everyone know!
@@LockedOnPistons ok sweet. My hope is that he is still able to be in the gym shooting/ working on handle currently but just isn’t a full go for high intensity cardio and what not. That’d be a big difference in his ability to put in work this off-season and progress. If he’s not even able to be in the gym shooting then that’s really bad news. It’s a huge off-season for him.
I wouldn't expect Ausar to be better next year because the Pistons medical staff can't be trusted.
But he should be back for a portion of the season and be poised for a big year three. If he heals faster and is 100% day one that will be a nice surprise.
Ausar can improve but Monty isn't helping at all!
The legit 3 most valuable Pistons are:
1 - Cade
2 - Simone
3 - Duren (but could be talked into Ivey or Ausar)
Stew is better than Duren AND Ivey AND Ausar at this point.
@@scottwickett1273no stew is certified 6th man his second year was not near as good as either
@@Jamar-lg9ob I have no idea why you think that: the fact that he is the second-best player on the team suggests a starting role....and also says more about the horrible GM than it says about Stew.
@@scottwickett1273 he not can't dribble not a good passer average shooter not a lob threat can't attack close out no post game limited athleticism what's his strength? versatility
@@Jamar-lg9obStew is our second best defender probably our best leader. Shooting 38% from three gives what every NBA offense needs... Spacing!
Considering the awkward fit with Cade and Ivey how many more ball dominate players does the starting five need?
Cade and Ausar are definitely the top 2 most important players for the Pistons and around the league they are certainly viewed as such. I’d go with Ivey as the 3rd guy but it’s debatable between him and Duren. Duren would be a beast 20 years ago but now his natural playstyle is outdated and I’m not sure how he adjusts especially defensively he needs to rotate and communicate better. I know Simone helped out and is a solid role player but he is 28 and already at his ceiling and Beef Stew is a backup center Pistons should’ve known that years ago lol
Stew is better than Duren right now and probably in the future.
Most valuable archetype in the NBA is non shooting Defensive specialists for sure. I mean look around the NBA, all the best teams have defensive specialists that can’t shoot. Ben Simmons comes to mind.
Ben Simmons hasn't been relevant in years
Ben Simmons would still be an elite role player if he wasn’t always injured he has a bad back so he’s a bad example for this. I know he was never going to return to All-Star caliber but a fully healthy Ben Simmons is still a top 80 player in the league at least
Guys competing for DPOY are the exception. How close is Ausar?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 he’s definitely that good defensively. But his inability to shoot keeps him off the floor in this system and on this team. We need a floor spacing starting center and knock down shooters every else for him to get a lot of minutes to contend for all nba defender.
@@bkelly625 so Ben Simmons is an elite athlete, rim attacker, that’s a DPOY candidate anytime he plays. Pretty much what Ausar can be. How valuable is that? That pretty much gauges this whole discussion.
This was my list too
Bro, you fighting a cold or something? Sound down and a bit congested.
Cade, Asuar, and Duren build around these guys. If Beef Stew becomes Naz Reid, I will have no complaints
You can't build around a no-defense center. That's just nonsense.
@@scottwickett1273 Brook Lopez was a terrible defensive player the first half of his career.
People said you couldn't build a top 10 defense around Jokic
KAT was a terrible defender early on.
Ayton was a terrible defender early on and in year three was so good Phoenix was matching his minutes to Giannis in the NBA Finals
Derrick Lively was a terrible defender at Duke _last year_ !!
Mo Wagner, Goga Bitadze, Alperen Sengun (Houston had #9 defense), Isaiah Hartenstein, Rob Williams. DeAndre Jordan went from terrible defender to a DPOY candidate
The NBA is filled with guys who were bad defenders at 20.
Guys like Chet and Wemby and Mobley are massive historical outliers. Most young bigs are bad defenders
Definitely Cade, Sasser, and Simone. Sign/trade for miles bridges and Claxton and we on.
Why would we play Ausar at the 4 he is little only 6’6 6’7 stop it
This is the modern nba do you watch? And he ain’t 6’6. He’s 6’7” with a 7 foot wingspan and a 43+ max vertical
@@astrahl He still doesn't weigh enough to be a 4, and I don't know why people want to waste him like that. The future is giants, he presents much more of an advantage as a perimeter player.
@@scottwickett12734 or 1 until shooting get average all these 4s do now is post on perimeter plus he a great weak side rim protector can switch on guards on screen can be very effective attacking close out and in dunker spot and great passer totally a mix match at 4 if DeRozan can do it asuar fs can
@@scottwickett1273 I don’t think he should be a 4 either I agree. But there are times throughout the game where I think he could slide into the 4 and play minutes. Especially as he gets stronger in the next few years. It’s not that crazy is all I was saying
@@astrahl That's fine! We have definitely seen small bench units succeed elsewhere.
Ku, it’s impossible to argue with your rankings as it is all subjective after #1, I think everyone agrees is Cade. Ausar’s offense this year was beyond bad, but his defense was great. I think we can live with that for a short time but that offense needs to come around, you can make every excuse in the book (which you don’t do for other players) but it just needs to be better. Stewart is a tough one. You say we learned he is best as a stretch 5 this season, which I agree, but we saw so little of it. And would he be effective in this role as a starter or does it mean he comes off the bench? You mention his most common usage by far was as spot up with 183 possessions. That is fewer than 3 a game, not a huge impact. He is unfortunately such a tweeter I think he is a solid bench guy on a good team. He wouldn’t make my top 3.
@@teezzz9645 neither Ivey nor Ausar fit if they are going to run what Monty ran this last season. Playing faster and with much more movement in the offense off ball would benefit this team a lot. Ausar’s defense and athleticism give him potential to be elite, all he needs is a shot and he’s the best player on the team.
@@teezzz9645 Ivey sucks and Duren is worse.
You don't know basketball if your saying asuar is better then Jalen Duran top 3 pistons
1cade
2duren
3jaden
The debate between the no. 2, 3 & 4 on this team tells you just how little talent there is.
Exactly! The fact that Stew is the second-best player on the team is an indictment of the very worst GM who ever lived rather than an endorsement of Stew.
Bro, we won 14 games, Stewart will be the first to go. Stewart limit Cade Play
Stew is the second-best player on the team, and as a spacing big he absolutely does not "limit Cade play" at all.
@@scottwickett1273 he is a undersize player with no true position and don’t lead the team in no defensive category. he’s not our top rebounder when A Thompson
Plays more than 20 minutes he is our lead shot blocker and he led the team in steals.
@@scottwickett1273fronttechio better
@@roscoray3897 He is the second-best player on the team....
@@Jamar-lg9ob ....unless Fontecchio is! (And again Fontecchio is technically not on the team right now because he is a free agent.)
Yall said the same about Killian hayes because of his defense and assist. We are in trouble Fans.
When your #2 guy shoots 18% from 3 and isnt a big man we are in trouble yall.
This is very Ben Simmonish. The guy keeps getting opportunities.
Ben Simmons was an ALL-NBA player
@@LockedOnPistons are you saying Ausar should have the ball in his hands more?
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Who has never done anything for any team hes been on. Those fancy defensive stats has not translated into wins. We trying to win, not have cute stats.
I like Ausar and would like to keep him, but it doesnt look good when hes your second best player. If we can trade him for a legit 3 and D players, then do so..
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I dont think hes bias, just his preference of players bro. Ausar is a defensive beast, just cant shoot. I want to keep him, just dont him as an untouchable player.
I say cade Ivey asuar far as value
Ausar as the #2 most valuable piece makes 0 sense. He cannot shoot at all! What team in the playoffs have you seen a wing not be able to shoot?! If we are playing the long game then sure let’s develop him but all I’ve been hearing is that we need to surround Cade with pieces so we can put a better product on the court.
This is the reason this team is in the middle of one of the worst decades for any team in nba history. Constantly overvaluing players that realistically do nothing. He is the same player as Killian Hayes. Can't shoot, can't do anything, just athletic enough to appear as a good defender. He is a bust fs.
Remember these pod casters are the same people that hype up Killian Hayes for 4 yrs no matter how horrible he was. They are doing same with Ausar. When the stat show that IVEY is the next best player on this roster.
@@dbuck2862 No, it's Stew, followed by Fontecchio (should they retain him), and I would imagine the stats say even Duren is better than Ivey.
@@limpbizkit6994way more athletic way better defender way better off ball on offense and defense asuar got all NBA defense athleticism work ethic and iq
@@Jamar-lg9ob Ausar is more athletic, which makes him a better defender. He isn't a starting level defender. Offensively he is absolutely horrible in every way. He might be able to dunk every now and then maybe. Other than that, he is a net negative on the offensive end, and he isnt big enough, or a good enough defender, to be an anchor. Which if someone is providing zero offense, they better be 7 feet tall and completely shutting down the paint. Neither of which he can do. Zero offense, mid nba defense, at his best he isn't a starter on a contending team.
Trade Stewart , 5th pick and other draft compensation for Capela and Hunter...2 defensive pieces! Hunter shoots 38% from three and Capela can mentor Duren! Sign Naja Marshall, he shoots 38% from three also! Thus gives us an opportunity til the trade deadline to see if our young guys have improved! We can make our decision then! Capela is on an expiring contract, so we'll will have flexibility next off-season!
Why trade for Capela and Hunter and give up 5th pick when you can go into free agency and get the same caliber players. Jonas V is a vet that can mentor Duren, and Mile Bridges is a better player than hunter and is shooting around 36% from three.
@dbuck2862 , Defense is the difference! Bridges is not a good defensive player nor is Jonas! Jonas is destroyed on switches and Bridges is talented but 3 pt shooting is streaky! Those players are not the same! Not bad additions! Capela is on a expiring , if it doesn't! Jonas would have to be signed to a longer I'm sure! He's not looking for a 1 year deal!
No thanks
@@KevinWilliams-ci1sh Capela also limited on defense now, and they say he not a leader in the locker room. Capela old as well and Hunter isn't worth a 5th pick in the draft, either way free agency is best option instead of trading top 10 away pick for scrubs. Look at ATL now they been trying to dump Hunter off on team for years and no one wanted him.
Stew sasser and 5th for herb Jones and ej
Cade. Asuar. Duran. Stewart MUST GO. He is only a 'try hard, but never good enough guy.' He's not a shot blocker, he's not a rebounder, he is not athletic, he has no around the basket moves, and he's not even one of our top 3 point shooters. Name me one team in the NBA that will not just trade for him, but that will put him in their starting lineup. He is dead weight. Other players contribute in more than one category, he waits for a 3 point opportunity, then on defense, he gets out jumped for the rebound and scored on. This is his game.
Stew is way better than Duren, it's not even close.
@scottwickett1273 better? In what aspect? 3 point shooting? Stew is not even one of our top 5 3 point shooters.
@@rodjones7722 Stew is an infinitely better defender, and you would know that if you had ever watched even a single game.
@scottwickett1273 I have watched every single play and Every game. I see Stew always reaching and getting out jumped on rebounds, he has no mid-range shot, no around the basket game. The only power forward he can defend is guys like Draymon Green, LeBron old slow, flat footed Guys. He cannot defend Centers and PF's
@@scottwickett1273Scott doesnt understand its an offensive league, just ignore him.
Well how he supposed to help cad if he can’t spread the court for him if you can’t shoot it no useful of him man please stop hyping him up
We are in rough shape if our #2 guy has the skillset of stanley johnson plus 2 inches of hop lmao
Bro ausar is almost unplayable. He can’t shoot. At all. Respectfully
This just isn't true.
Giannis, Zion and Amen can’t shoot a lick either and it’s not like Kuminga, Aaron Gordon and Jalen Johnson are flamethrowers out there. These freak athletes, which Ausar qualifies as, don’t always have to be able to shoot to be good players
His turnaround middy is unblockable 😂
@@bkelly625actually yes compared to Ausar, everyone you named are flamethrowers from three. It’s not even close, that’s how bad he is. And let’s not pretend he’s anywhere as dominant as Zion or Giannis, that’s ridiculous. And there’re all post defenders, which would negate Ausar’s best role as a perimeter defender. Except for Kuminga who’s shooting is way better than Ausar’s.
@@arthursese6068 Amen was playing the 4 and 5 for the Rockets the last couple months of the season and they were winning. Ausar can do similar things even with no shooting and ik he doesn’t have Giannis or Zion upside but that’s not what anyone is expecting he’s still incredibly valuable being a top 10 athlete in the league means a TON and the team has to work around his shooting limitations. All-Defense caliber upside players who are elite attacking the rim and rebounding are not easy to find. Amen was still guarding every position 1-5 while being a 4 and 5 offensively Ausar can do that too
Stewart does not play well with Cade. Either bring him off the Bench or Trade.
He is the second-best player on the team....which says more about the very worst GM in the history of the sport than it says about Stew.
Even if you didn't watch the games last season you can look up the 5 player +- statistics and see Stew in many of our best lineups. Including those with Cade.
What does Stew do which doesn't fit with Cade?
Stew and Cade yes. Ausar? Absolutely zero offensive production, and situational defense that purely relies on his athleticism. He is too small to be a defensive anchor. Sure he'd be cool to have off the bench and guard a sixth man or something. Why tf are overvaluing this slightly taller and more athletic Killian Hayes? He fucking sucks.
You don’t know basketball stop yapping
@@Zuwoop Right, anything to back up your ignorance? Ausar blows nuts.
@@limpbizkit6994 No, he's awesome and you're wrong. I understand you're drowning in pessimism (as am I), but you needn't lie to support your entirely accurate claim that everything is hopelessly fucked.
@@scottwickett1273 really gotta disagree with ya Scott, I am not able to ignore the glaring resemblance to Killian. No offensive production, could argue even less considering Killian could be a playmaker sometimes. They both cannot shoot, and they are both athletic enough to seem good at defense. None of this is false. He simply isn't a starter in the nba. Maybe not quite Killian bad tho.
@@limpbizkit6994 There is zero resemblance to Killian, you are completely wrong and apparently blinded by despair.
Ausar is a super athlete even by the lofty standards of the best league on the planet, Killian was never anything like that. You are simply lying here.
Cade’s ‘breakout’ season he shot 2% higher on both FG and 3s with the whole offense run to suit him than ‘trade that bum’ Ivey who the coach intentionally played to his weaknesses.
The difference between Ivey and Cade is much less than many fans think. But Cade is better at everything except being a. Floor General Leader.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 The gap is very wide, and he's better at that too.
@@scottwickett1273 Ivey’s first year numbers, when he took an injured Cade’s role, were the same as Cade’s first year numbers on a team that was worse. Ivey’s second year numbers are better than Cade’s second year numbers (though he only got 12 games, but Ivey’s first 12 were better as well) while Ivey was asked to play a new role not playing to his strengths. Ivey’s defensive rating was only about 1/2pt worse than Cade’s as well as the shooting only being 2% different. Not sure where you get the giant gap from.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Cade also is not as good at putting pressure on the defense and getting to the line.
No way. SImone is way more valuable. And has shown more.
And is technically not on the team right now.
Trade Stew & with 5 pick to get Kuzma Traj
I would rather have the 5th pick or Stewart individually over Kuzma
I wouldn't take Kuzma as a free agent signing.
Not that my opinion matters it doesn't.
Hard pass on Kuzma. Stew is a better 3 pt shooter and defender than Kuzma, plus a better locker room guy.
@ZachErickson-0222 stew might be better percentage wise but isn't a better 3 point shooter than kuzma. Kuzma can self create off the dribble and stew is just catch and shoot. Stew shot a better percentage than Damian Lillard but we all know Damian is taking crazy 3s and the better 3 point shooter.
Kuzma is terrible for winning basketball. I rather be bad than the bulls.
I'd try and keep the #5 pick (if someone really likes someone like Dalton or Buzelis - give them Grime + Sasser) but I'd do this easily. I get the Kuz slander but bro was playing with Jordan Poole - that does shit to you
1 Cade 2 Ivey 3 duren
This guy I’m starting to believe is the biggest sell out. JALEN DUREN AT THE AGE OF 20 RANKED 5TH IN REBOUNDS THIS SEASON. UNDER ONLY SABOS, GOBERT, DAVIS & JOKER. STOP GLAZING AUSAR & STEW BRO TF. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Duren is very bad because defense is a thing that exists.
@@scottwickett1273So is offense and ausar is very bad at that so whats your point??? Its an offensive league in 2024. I cant wait until Duren is dropping 24 and 12, I will be back here for receipts, just like when you and thw killian cult were telling us how awesome his D and playmaking was lol
Give him time.
@@jhajdu2 I didn't say anything about Ausar, I just said that Duren is shitty.
@@Montyvegas66 Has anyone as bad as him on defense ever become good enough to anchor a championship contender? I can't remember any.
This dude and ausar lol I'm sorry but you been playing basketball all your life and haven't developed at least an ok shot it will never happen buddy is g-league and pro-am only its not gonna happen PERIOD!
It’s not “this dude and Ausar”
It’s literally the Pistons and the NBA with Ausar. He’s incredibly valued by almost the whole league right now.
Maybe in a year if he doesn’t improve and that mystique runs off that changes, but right now this isn’t just a Ku opinion.
@@LockedOnPistons Respect 👍
Plenty of players developed a three late in their career. Will Ausar?
Some wings can't shoot but are so good teams are built around them. Does that happen for the Thompson Twins?
Ausar can't shoot and can't make free-throws. He is a liability when he's on the floor.
Totally disagree Stewart is not the 3rd most valuable player.
You're right, he's second!
You’ve gone Ku Ku for Cocoa Puffs. By far your worst take.
Ausar and Cade are the most overrated players I’ve ever seen hyped up. Ausar as a plus All Star potential? Cade as a potential top 15 NBA player? It’s delusional
You're almost certainly wrong.