Raycon are a OEM rebrander selling you twenty six dollar IEMs with the same drivers and housings as the "clones" on Chinese outlets. They are a scam, anyone promoting them, is scamming you. The Con in RayCOn stands for Conman.
I’m still hunting down some of those 2000s ogryn, they’re the best rendition imo. Love these sillier guys too tho, I wish I had friends who’d give me minis🤣
because the old metals models were restricted in design by the casting process the sculptors had to put way much more creative effort into the aesthetic rather than the poses. It shows. I love the old model generally. Sure there are a lot of duds but they still hold up in the main.
Yup the old models were done via Spincasting metal models which meant the pieces, by and large, had to remain fairly flat hence why you had a lot of marine sgts doing a the 'power fist pointing one way, bolter the other' type pose.
I love the existence of Abhumans among the Imperial Guard because it shows how hypocritical the Imperium is. "Human," "Abhuman," and "Mutant" are mostly political terms. Cadians have a physical mutation from Chaos exposure, but they get to be Human. Ogryn are just a local human phenotype, but the Imperium can't put them on propaganda posters, so they're Abhuman. If the Ogryn ever rebel, you bet they'd get reclassed as mutants real fast!
And worth noting that the Imperium can't exist without Navigators who are also Abhumans (literally having a third eye), and they are not just tolerated but are considered nobles and live in fancy palaces on Terra itself.
I just love seeing old metal models fully restored and painted with modern brands and techniques. Had a bit of fun myself earlier this year with an old Necron Lord, that is one of my favorite models in my army now. These Ogryn have so much character in each sculpt. It makes me wonder when GW will get around to updating them as well. At one point there were rumors of them being in KT but not sure how that would work out with such an elite unit
If I remember correctly it was something to do with the ratling KT. The idea is that when we get refreshed ogryn: when choosing operatives for a Ratling kill team you’ll be able to choose to include ogryn operatives but they’ll likely count as 2 operatives and there will be a limit on how many you can take.
@ashdog9235 oh right I remember that now. Ashame it never happened but I'm guessing now Ogryn will get an update next edition then. Also, it seems safe to hypothesize that Catachan may get their own updated range as well which Ogryn play heavily in
I believe it. I like using just washes over a zenithal for basing bits, especially plants. I haven't seen that particular technique on any videos, possibly because speedpaint and contrasts have taken over.
I generally enjoy watching the evolution of both miniatures and the painting processes/philosophies involved. Back in the 80's it was rough on both accounts, but year by year, decade by decade this side of the hobby has gotten to be as good as any other form of art out in the world, it's been a real treat to follow over the course of my life
My fav' Ogryns are still the Chaos ones from Vrakks. Gorgeous models, full of detail and personality plus each model was properly unique in its design.
Ogryns are some of my favorites. Those "old, old" Ogryn are actually the third or fourth iteration of Ogryn, depending on how you count. There was "tiny" the prototype - about the same size as a primaris. Then came a set with single part torsos and then 2 part ones. Then these guys who were pathfinders for the first plastics.
For stripping I'd reccomed a nail brush over a toothbrush as they're more abrasive and their large size means you can scrub more violently. I still use a toothbrush for finer inbetween bits
I love that about allot of the older GW models they had that personal feel. Things like the old ball joint space marines let you add some little touches to poses and so on that was a great part of the hobby
Old models are amazing! I’m currently running through a battleforce of 1993 metal praetorians, with a side show of metal cadians and space marine (imperial agent) support. As for abhumans, for one, they are viewed as mutants to the more intolerant imperials. However, what makes an abhuman and a normal mutant different is that 1.) abhumans are extraordinarily similar biologically to humans, simply shaped differently 2.) abhumans are stable. Ogryns and ratlings come in all kinds of shapes and colors, but they’re all ogryns and ratlings. You can’t take a giant mutated human and call it an ogryn. 3.) there is no chaos corruption involved. All abhumans formed the way they are as natural evolutionary adaptations to whatever planet they originated from.
@@originaljoke-y5f They're an extremely brief aside that exist with absolutely no details on what they actually look like, but people have run with them being catgirls/catboys. Basically the only mention of them is that they live on a planet called Carlos McConnell and they are abhumans designated "Felinids." That's it.
The new ogryn's kit is a really good "blank slate" for conversion. I agree that everything looks the same but there is not much too so you can easily convert them to something nice. I have a project of Catachan's Ogryns and adding bandanas, nametags and such will be really easy with the new kit compared to the old one. If i didn't planned that, the old ones would be nicer for sure
Got so addicted to watching your channel!..After 23 years I started painting warhammer again I can't thank you enough! I'm having so much fun ❤️ keep up the great work
These chunky boys are super flavorful and waaaay better than the new ones. So much more character in each one of them! They give off that insane vibe that I expect from Ogryn in a battle frenzy.
I think a stellar paint job like yours really does show how cool the old old models are, honestly they don't look too out of place than a normal Ogryn, definitely better than the GW paintjob on the new ones
As a metal oldhammer collector i'm the wrong person to ask for my opinion - I obviously love these older sculpts. Metal can - or at least could, new generation plastics are getting better and better - just hold so much crisper detail. I also feel the more cartoony style really fits with the feel of 40k as a dark comedy - but I also understand why people might like the newer aesthetics as well, matter of taste really.
It's honestly crazy that Ogryn get grandfathered in, but those one humans that Dorn found had to be exterminated because Xenos had slightly altered their brains to use the warp differently, AMAZING video as always though. I doubt I'll ever get into painting because I shake, but it's so nice watching your videos.
Completely agree with the classics looking great. They feel more expressive. The current models have that digital copy-paste thing going. I dont know what it is, but the stubble is what really makes these Ogryn to me and makes them pop. Chain fist guy is definitely my favorite sculpt.
You’re videos always surprise me with how entertaining and fun they are. You have a super positive channel that I find myself enjoying more and more. Keep it up buddy!
I think the mini's turned out great. I've never painted or owned a mini or played warhammer, but I still thoroughly enjoy watching your content. Its even inspired me to give hand painting a try, so I made my own wet palette and will give hand painting a gunpla a try, once the paints arrive.
Absolutely love it! i got a bunch of these in the draw yet to repaint up from the early 2000s. Great to know they defs can look awesome and at home on the current tabletop
Every. Single. Video, I forget that EoB's volume is somehow always 5x louder than everything else I watch on TH-cam and blow out my speakers... But on the flip side, that means I watch every single video.
Jay, you motivate me each day to keep on painting and I always follow along when you're working. Really appreciate you and I am enjoying my Jay dice as well!
Hey, I use a sonic cleaner to clean car parts, and as such, have to swap between different cleaning chems pretty often. Rather than emptying the tub every time, I just have mason jars with the chem I like to use, with the sonic cleaners tub filled with just regular water. Put the mason jar, with acetone and models in it, in the sonic cleaner(add/take away water from tub as needed, don't want the jar floating, nor do you want the water to be too low). Don't heat the water. Lid on the jar but loose enough so vapor can vent. Love your work, keep on brushin'.
The original ( even older than these guys ) Ogryn sergeant with the ripper gun was my favourite model in my Rogue Trader Imperial army army back in the early 90s.
A little tip for stripping metal models -- Toss them into a glass jar with acetone, seal it up and put that sealed jar into the ultrasonic cleaner filled with just water. It'll scrub them but not aerate the acetone.
Really enjoy seeing the restoration of old metal models Plenty deserve to look their best!! 🎉 This is my biased opinion as I'm still collecting 2nd - 4th edition Armies
To my knowledge, Ab-Human signifies a stable mutant strain. Yes they're weird looking, but the child of two ogryn will be an ogryn. Two random hivewaste/warp mutants, who knows what their children will be like, it's a genetic Gatcha.
i love these, turned out great and super jealous of your bravery with metal minis, im always nervous and clumsy around them but i really like some of the older sclupts - although i do like the new ones too
The inclusion of Ogryns and Ratlings in the Imperial Guard is actually a great bit of world building for the Imperium. They're willing to do something hypocritical like allowing mutants to coexist with "Normal" humans as long as they are useful.
I’m painting some bullgryn (aka ogryn cosplaying terminators) at the moment and it’s fun being able to hold them up to the screen and see how far they’ve come. I love all the models for them they’re so silly. (And so Killy which is why my friends don’t like them)
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Raycon are a OEM rebrander selling you twenty six dollar IEMs with the same drivers and housings as the "clones" on Chinese outlets. They are a scam, anyone promoting them, is scamming you. The Con in RayCOn stands for Conman.
I’m still hunting down some of those 2000s ogryn, they’re the best rendition imo.
Love these sillier guys too tho, I wish I had friends who’d give me minis🤣
Love your content KrakDuk, still rocking that boxy 2000’s guard look I see
YOOOOO ITS KRAKDUK I LOVE WATCHING KRAKDUK
I donated something to Eons that has yet to be revealed. What do you play? Got a PO Box? I have way too much stuff. I might have a spare this or that.
What is this, a crossover episode?
WOAHH
Way too early in the day for me to watch an Ebay Rescue Miniatures video hosted by Eons of Battle
Said nobody ever
Same as you...usually during the evening when the wife and trolls are sleepy
Like a guilty pleasure
I always be listening to the man at any time of day. Just whenever I need some good noise
I love these mini restoration videos. It’s so cool seeing how people can make minis that previously looks okay to looking amazing
The “shoulder armor” guy is a special character bodyguard Ogryn that Guard officers could take. Nork Deddog.
tip- these old ogryn make great ork nobz/warbosses if you like converting.
In the older ork Codices you could bring Ogryn mercenaries as a part of your forces, it's very "blood axe-y" imho
@@grantpark9093 hell year I used to use blood axes just to reuse a lot of imperial stuff as stolen equipment lol good old orkies
because the old metals models were restricted in design by the casting process the sculptors had to put way much more creative effort into the aesthetic rather than the poses. It shows. I love the old model generally. Sure there are a lot of duds but they still hold up in the main.
Yup the old models were done via Spincasting metal models which meant the pieces, by and large, had to remain fairly flat hence why you had a lot of marine sgts doing a the 'power fist pointing one way, bolter the other' type pose.
I love the existence of Abhumans among the Imperial Guard because it shows how hypocritical the Imperium is. "Human," "Abhuman," and "Mutant" are mostly political terms. Cadians have a physical mutation from Chaos exposure, but they get to be Human. Ogryn are just a local human phenotype, but the Imperium can't put them on propaganda posters, so they're Abhuman. If the Ogryn ever rebel, you bet they'd get reclassed as mutants real fast!
And worth noting that the Imperium can't exist without Navigators who are also Abhumans (literally having a third eye), and they are not just tolerated but are considered nobles and live in fancy palaces on Terra itself.
@@simonregan471lol it’s just like real life, “everyone else that Is different beside the people in my circle are all bad people”
@@Joemamajoestar682 I mean, can you really trust a towering lump of muscle mass with an IQ of 65 to...
*Oh* *no*....
@@thejonathan130so much that Ogyns are top tier bodyguards
@@thejonathan130 yes you can, they are the nicest childish brain innocent guys who will reap and tear for muh Empruh. Simple as.
Older models always have nice chunky details, they are really fun to paint
I just love seeing old metal models fully restored and painted with modern brands and techniques. Had a bit of fun myself earlier this year with an old Necron Lord, that is one of my favorite models in my army now. These Ogryn have so much character in each sculpt. It makes me wonder when GW will get around to updating them as well. At one point there were rumors of them being in KT but not sure how that would work out with such an elite unit
If I remember correctly it was something to do with the ratling KT. The idea is that when we get refreshed ogryn: when choosing operatives for a Ratling kill team you’ll be able to choose to include ogryn operatives but they’ll likely count as 2 operatives and there will be a limit on how many you can take.
@ashdog9235 oh right I remember that now. Ashame it never happened but I'm guessing now Ogryn will get an update next edition then. Also, it seems safe to hypothesize that Catachan may get their own updated range as well which Ogryn play heavily in
"Speedpaint was decades away"
Believe it or not washing over white was very popular at the time
I believe it. I like using just washes over a zenithal for basing bits, especially plants. I haven't seen that particular technique on any videos, possibly because speedpaint and contrasts have taken over.
I generally enjoy watching the evolution of both miniatures and the painting processes/philosophies involved. Back in the 80's it was rough on both accounts, but year by year, decade by decade this side of the hobby has gotten to be as good as any other form of art out in the world, it's been a real treat to follow over the course of my life
My fav' Ogryns are still the Chaos ones from Vrakks. Gorgeous models, full of detail and personality plus each model was properly unique in its design.
All of Vrakks was glorious. Every single model.
I'm genuinely surpried at how great these sculpts can look.
Ogryns are some of my favorites. Those "old, old" Ogryn are actually the third or fourth iteration of Ogryn, depending on how you count. There was "tiny" the prototype - about the same size as a primaris. Then came a set with single part torsos and then 2 part ones. Then these guys who were pathfinders for the first plastics.
For stripping I'd reccomed a nail brush over a toothbrush as they're more abrasive and their large size means you can scrub more violently.
I still use a toothbrush for finer inbetween bits
I love that about allot of the older GW models they had that personal feel. Things like the old ball joint space marines let you add some little touches to poses and so on that was a great part of the hobby
I love how much character the models have!
I love these models. Some old models don't do it for me, but these Ogryn...these Ogryn are dope.
Love them. The face sculpts have more character than the new ones.
Old models are amazing! I’m currently running through a battleforce of 1993 metal praetorians, with a side show of metal cadians and space marine (imperial agent) support.
As for abhumans, for one, they are viewed as mutants to the more intolerant imperials. However, what makes an abhuman and a normal mutant different is that
1.) abhumans are extraordinarily similar biologically to humans, simply shaped differently
2.) abhumans are stable. Ogryns and ratlings come in all kinds of shapes and colors, but they’re all ogryns and ratlings. You can’t take a giant mutated human and call it an ogryn.
3.) there is no chaos corruption involved. All abhumans formed the way they are as natural evolutionary adaptations to whatever planet they originated from.
Don't forget the newer felinids
@@originaljoke-y5f it was a throwaway entry in a book/story and the fandom has ran with it. Nothing to stop you at all....
Don't forget Squats/Kin, who are humans but short and wide
@@guidomista3570 because gravity
@@originaljoke-y5f They're an extremely brief aside that exist with absolutely no details on what they actually look like, but people have run with them being catgirls/catboys. Basically the only mention of them is that they live on a planet called Carlos McConnell and they are abhumans designated "Felinids." That's it.
That blue camo idea was amazing! I also learned a lot from watching your flesh build-up process. Thanks for an awesome video!
They looked great years ago, they still look great, after you painted and based them .. fantastic.
What did the new owner think of them?
I have the guy with the bandaid for his booboo. Decades ago I kitbashed him into my Ork warboss with a freeboota head and ork powerclaw, hes awesome!
The new ogryn's kit is a really good "blank slate" for conversion. I agree that everything looks the same but there is not much too so you can easily convert them to something nice. I have a project of Catachan's Ogryns and adding bandanas, nametags and such will be really easy with the new kit compared to the old one. If i didn't planned that, the old ones would be nicer for sure
Got so addicted to watching your channel!..After 23 years I started painting warhammer again I can't thank you enough! I'm having so much fun ❤️ keep up the great work
Welcome back brother
@marshalkyle283 the emperor will be pleased
These chunky boys are super flavorful and waaaay better than the new ones. So much more character in each one of them! They give off that insane vibe that I expect from Ogryn in a battle frenzy.
My favourite orgyns were the ones designed by Bob Olley, back in the Rogue Trader-days.
I think a stellar paint job like yours really does show how cool the old old models are, honestly they don't look too out of place than a normal Ogryn, definitely better than the GW paintjob on the new ones
These looks amazing! I really enjoy these sculpts. You're dead on. They have character and feel like ogryns. They have a magic the modern models lack.
As a metal oldhammer collector i'm the wrong person to ask for my opinion - I obviously love these older sculpts. Metal can - or at least could, new generation plastics are getting better and better - just hold so much crisper detail. I also feel the more cartoony style really fits with the feel of 40k as a dark comedy - but I also understand why people might like the newer aesthetics as well, matter of taste really.
Another oldhammer fan here and I agree
Are these sculpted by Gary Morley? They're very very similar to the Morg model from 3rd Edition Blood Bowl which he sculpted.
@@jonathondaniels2127 AFAIK they are Micheal Perry sculpts.
It's honestly crazy that Ogryn get grandfathered in, but those one humans that Dorn found had to be exterminated because Xenos had slightly altered their brains to use the warp differently, AMAZING video as always though. I doubt I'll ever get into painting because I shake, but it's so nice watching your videos.
Completely agree with the classics looking great. They feel more expressive. The current models have that digital copy-paste thing going. I dont know what it is, but the stubble is what really makes these Ogryn to me and makes them pop. Chain fist guy is definitely my favorite sculpt.
These old Ogryn look AWESOME!
You're not reaching a bit dear Sir. These sculpts are awesome and your paintjob really brought them to life.
You’re videos always surprise me with how entertaining and fun they are. You have a super positive channel that I find myself enjoying more and more. Keep it up buddy!
Wow, those look great. I remember them on the battlefield many years ago.
This makes me really want to get some old ogryns now! I think these models are so much better than the newer plastic kits :)
Wow! They look super bad ass.
Look great!! Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
You've also got OG Nork deddog in there too. Although all his parts are now spread across 3 minis
I think the mini's turned out great. I've never painted or owned a mini or played warhammer, but I still thoroughly enjoy watching your content. Its even inspired me to give hand painting a try, so I made my own wet palette and will give hand painting a gunpla a try, once the paints arrive.
"MW2 Blue Tiger" Camo is a phrase is didn't expect to hear lol
I've still got some of those guys hiding in one of my boxes. You did a great job showing off those models man. Great work!!
I love these restoring videos, you should do them more often!
Absolutely love it! i got a bunch of these in the draw yet to repaint up from the early 2000s. Great to know they defs can look awesome and at home on the current tabletop
Every. Single. Video, I forget that EoB's volume is somehow always 5x louder than everything else I watch on TH-cam and blow out my speakers...
But on the flip side, that means I watch every single video.
I remember when these came out, my guard army got a squad of 10 and a commissar got a bodyguard of 4. They are nice models.
Jay, you motivate me each day to keep on painting and I always follow along when you're working. Really appreciate you and I am enjoying my Jay dice as well!
Hey, I use a sonic cleaner to clean car parts, and as such, have to swap between different cleaning chems pretty often. Rather than emptying the tub every time, I just have mason jars with the chem I like to use, with the sonic cleaners tub filled with just regular water. Put the mason jar, with acetone and models in it, in the sonic cleaner(add/take away water from tub as needed, don't want the jar floating, nor do you want the water to be too low). Don't heat the water. Lid on the jar but loose enough so vapor can vent. Love your work, keep on brushin'.
The original ( even older than these guys ) Ogryn sergeant with the ripper gun was my favourite model in my Rogue Trader Imperial army army back in the early 90s.
Im fortunate enough to have inherited retro miniatures and its awesome to see your take on an era of minis I own as a casual fan of 40k and Mordheim
Hi Jay those old school Ogryns are so cool and the paint job was awesome good job.
Excellent work on these classic minis!
I have the one with the cigar and cool guy sunglasses! Cool to see these painted
A little tip for stripping metal models -- Toss them into a glass jar with acetone, seal it up and put that sealed jar into the ultrasonic cleaner filled with just water. It'll scrub them but not aerate the acetone.
Really enjoy seeing the restoration of old metal models
Plenty deserve to look their best!! 🎉
This is my biased opinion as I'm still collecting 2nd - 4th edition Armies
To my knowledge, Ab-Human signifies a stable mutant strain.
Yes they're weird looking, but the child of two ogryn will be an ogryn.
Two random hivewaste/warp mutants, who knows what their children will be like, it's a genetic Gatcha.
I have a bunch of old metal models. But not any Ogryn. I NEED these!!
Oh these sculpts are beautiful, I love the aesthetic
These models are actually pretty dope imo
Jesus jay your music taste just made me love this channel even more
eob hobby videos curr my depression every week. thanks dudes
Honestly these are still my favourite ogryn and you made them look amazing!
Hi Jay, I must say, your Videos bring me joy every time I watch them! Keep up the work👌
I'm a fan of that era of Ogryn!
Awesome paintjob and camo definitely made the blue look like armour 😊
i love being able to bring back old school models into current 40k armies
The old pewter tyranid hiveguard with impaler cannon is in my opinion one of the best minis ever
Those are some great looking Ogryn
They all look so awesome 😊
They look great well done
I don't know that I've seen those ogryn before, but I like them a hell of a lot more than the modern ogryn sculpts. They've got way more character.
I realy like the sculpt it looks realy good
Absolute fantastic paint job.
Metal Ork Spannerz are the best mek sculpt. Always happy when I find another one. Wanna say they’re 1997 GorkaMorka age.
These look GREAT!
Oldhammer and restoration are my favorite genres
Thank you)
Incredible. I totally agree these have way more character. But I'm also pretty old school and still rock metal 2nd edition models in 10th
Love these, use them for my ogryn bodyguard models for how much character they have!
Hey Jay, LA's is a decent stripper, but it's a lot easier to soak metal minis overnight, then hose them down in a sink with a sprayer attachment
freaking sweet! kinda reminds me of small soldiers ...🎉
Such good models, reminds me of being a kid.
For old models, those look amazing.
Now, do some RT/2nd edition Tyranids (I know you tackled the 3rd edition lictors!)
These old old models are way nicer than the old and new models
Always done for rescues from favorite folks!
i love these, turned out great and super jealous of your bravery with metal minis, im always nervous and clumsy around them but i really like some of the older sclupts - although i do like the new ones too
These looks awesome, great job man
Not my cup 'o tea, but I always appreciate your enthusiasm, and those bases are on point.
That camo was an amazing choice
For metal models a Dremel with a soft wire brush head will absolutely annihilate 99% of the paint stuck in the recesses.
love my old metal techmarine the little fella is on quite a big tactical rock now though haha
The inclusion of Ogryns and Ratlings in the Imperial Guard is actually a great bit of world building for the Imperium. They're willing to do something hypocritical like allowing mutants to coexist with "Normal" humans as long as they are useful.
I’m painting some bullgryn (aka ogryn cosplaying terminators) at the moment and it’s fun being able to hold them up to the screen and see how far they’ve come. I love all the models for them they’re so silly. (And so Killy which is why my friends don’t like them)
I've seen acetone used in a jar, then put in the sonic cleaner with water surrounding the jar. That could be a way to do it, safer and faster :)
They make some nice orc conversions
love these models!
I like it when you restore old models :D these look really cool :D
I love your taste in music.
I'm glad the Imperium isn't hunting down Ogryns 'cause they are really cool, with all those massive fun weapons and loyalness
I knew you listened to good in music, Oingo Boingo and they might be giants is exquisite taste
you mean the true ogryn models? very nice.