LEARNING THE FUJIFILM X-PRO2 AND THINKING OF THE FUJIFILM X-PRO3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2022
- I've been enjoying the X-Pro2 so far and this video is an update with some thoughts about using it so far. I have some questions for people who have used both the X-Pro2 and X-Pro3.
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I think the X-Pro series offers a kind of emotional experience that is not entirely rational. I love them. I have the X-Pro1 and had the X-E3 and I just preferred picking up the X-Pro1 for shooting. I also primarily have been shooting with similar manual focus lenses and it is sometimes annoying to use on X-Pro1 with its weaker screens and weaker manual focus assist options. But still - despite the X-E3 being almost the exact same layout, but smaller and lighter, I loved carrying the X-Pro1 and finally replaced the X-E3 with an X-Pro2. But when I was shopping, I knew I could get an X-T1 or 2 or X-H1 for less than an X-Pro2. But the X-Pro “just feels right” as a camera for me. It’s an intangible quality. I like the OVF and like the “electronic rangefinder” option but I still use the EVF more than I care to admit. Still - emotionally, I like that the OVF is there. I was seriously considering going for the X-Pro3 but find myself drawn to the wider angle lenses of 16/18mm and I’m disappointed the OVF in X-Pro3 no longer goes that wide. I also got a good deal and bundled lens with the used X-Pro2 I got and generally was happy with the X-trans III experience already so I decided to stay there. I know I pay a premium for that emotional connection, but that emotional connection translates to an enjoyment of shooting and carrying the camera more often and that is hard to quantify when just comparing prices and specs. I think it’s ok to admit “I just like the feel of shooting an X-Pro and don’t mind paying a little more for that feeling.” For premium pricing for emotional connections, any X-Pro is still light years cheaper than a Leica M (or even newcomer Pixii)
I love your openness and honesty with your reasonings for being an X-Pro user. Honestly, I can completely relate. I had never tried one before this camera. It was an itch I had to scratch. I had to finally give it a shot. It is a breath of fresh air compared to all my other cameras that's for sure. Even when using the EVF it still feels closer to an analog experience than any of my other cameras. You brought up a good point about the X-Pro3 and the OVF in it not having frame lines for wider lenses. These are things I need to learn about the different models. Right now the higher resolution of the X-Pro3 is really enticing to me. I'll probably have to at least try it at some point. Thank you so much for watching and for your comment!
I sold my X-Pro2 to buy the X-Pr03. The build was not as good, the back screen a nightmare and flipping it down always felt brittle. I then sold it and bought the X-Pro2 again. An expensive lesson learnt. The OVF was better on the X-Pro2 but the EVF was superior on the X-Pro3. I think the X-Pro2 may be the best built and most satisfying of all the Fuji’s. I’ve owned the X-T2, 3, and 4. The only camera for me close to the X-Pro2 is the X-H1 which i still have and love.
Hi Craig, I purchased the XPro 3 a month ago. I knew very well what I was getting into in regards to the rear lcd conspiracy. I love it, I really enjoy using the camera and really dont miss the rear screen and never use it when composing. I chose the XPro 3 as I want something elegant, portable, not an attention grabber when in public. The XPro 3 nailed it for me. I have many other cameras I use for work and for many years I stopped taking them with me when going on holidays as they are too bulky and obvious. The XPro 3 is my personal camera, it will never ever be used for work. Its my daily documenting and travel camera. Love it.
That's great to hear! It might be a while before I'm able to get one but I've decided I will definitely pick up an X-Pro3 someday. I appreciate you watching and for the feedback!
I have the Xpro3 and I love it, the only thing I miss from the Xpro2 is the direction pad. I kinda want more customization to my actions. If the Xpro4 gets that new 40mp sensor and the direction pad, I’m in there! 😎
Great point about the direction pad not being on the X-Pro3. That's great you love that camera though. I pretty much hear nothing but great things about it. Thank you for watching and for your feedback!
I take my Fujifilm X Pro-2 with me everywhere. It and or my Leica M3 are my usual EDC. I so far have only three lenses for my X Pro-2. The ttArtisans 35mm F1.4 sonnar manual focus. Fujifilm 23mm WR F2 r, and I adapt my old Minolta 45mm f2.8. I rely on both the OVF and the EVF. With manual focus lenses I use both but really like using the OVF with the pop-up EVF for focusing. That is what sets it apart from other Fujifilm models. I use the 23mm pretty evenly with both viewfinders too. Mainly use the EVF with the 23mm in low light situations or when doing reportage work. I am a freelance photojournalist and sometimes I bring the Xpro-2 on assignments. I am a horses for courses camera guy so when doing that work I'm shooting my Canons as my main camera.
Hey Louis, That's awesome! Thank you for sharing your experience with your X-Pro2. It's great to hear how others use these cameras. Thanks so much for watching and commenting! Much appreciated.
Thanks for posting this, Louis. Just grabbed an xpro2 with under 1k shots on it and am basing my 35 and 23mm choices on your comment and then adapting a Konica 40mm for a ~60mm. The only issue I read about for the ttartisan is some chromatic aberration.
@@natecarter3610 Awesome and ,congratulations, I hope you enjoy the X pro 2 as much as I do. Regarding the ttArtisan 35mm lens. I can’t say I have ever noticed much (ca) on my copy. I will be out shooting with it tomorrow and will be sure to make a few of those telltale images and report back.
Great video as always. I've not used any X-Pro camera for more than a quick pick-up and look from a friend. They're lovely cameras.
Thanks Mark! They are pretty cool cameras. I can't wait to try the X-Pro3 someday.
You can manual focus using the erf (electronic range focus), just pull the lever to the left when using the ovf. You can also change de magnification by pressing the rear dial.
Thanks for the suggestion! I did try that as well.
I have an X-Pro 3 coming from an XE-3. The XE-3 has the same sensor and processor as the X-Pro 2. For jpeg shooters such as myself, the 3 has a significant improvement over the 2 in that you can save custom white balance and highlight shadow settings for each of the 7 jpg presets slots. The 2 limits you to 3 custom settings that you can share over the 7 slots.
Great point! The X-Pro3 is definitely on my wishlist of cameras to try out. Thanks for your feedback!
I just found my new favorite channel. Really like how eclectic and thoughtful your content is. I plan on buying the X-H1 partly based on your X-H1 video from last year and currently own the X-Pro 2, (I’ve owned the X-Pro 1 , XT2, XT3, XE3, X100F which I’ve either sold or traded) . I have never been tempted to get the X-Pro 3 because the hidden back screen and incremental IQ “improvement” which is in many cases purely subjective. The X-Pro 2 does an excellent job as a photographer’s camera so why spend more money when you don’t need to. Btw, for photography mostly, would you recommended getting the optional grip for the X-H1? Thanks for your content. Keep on keeping on! 😊
Thank you so much for the compliment! It means a lot to hear from people who connect with my videos. So to answer your question about the X-H1 vertical grip, unless you're shooting sports or wildlife (or video) it's not needed. Another reason you may want it though is to add some extra heft and weight, which some people like. I have the grip but unless I'm shooting video I rarely use. Sometimes if I'm using a large lens then the grip is nice to help balance the weight of the camera & lens. Thanks again for watching and for your support! It's greatly appreciated.
@@CraigBergonzoni My pleasure! Always love supporting those who help build the photography community through thoughtful commentary and interesting perspectives based on their experiences with certain camera gear. I’ll be watching the rest of your videos over next few days so you may be getting more comments from me soon.
@@kingelvis4688 Sounds good! Let me know if there's any specific videos you'd like to see me make. I'm always happy to hear this kind of feedback from viewers.
Xpro 1 here and I love it. Had the chance to get a xpro 2 but opted to get the xt4 for a great price to be my workhorse on the Fuji side. But hopefully I can hold out on the 2 and 3 and HOPEFULLY they release a xpro 4
That's awesome you have the X-Pro1! I want to try that one. I'm hoping to figure out a way to get an X-Pro3 soon. Thanks for watching!
I, too, have an xpro2 - I sold and bought xt3 and then sold that and went back to xpro2. Nice machine. Incidentslly, what is your classical guitar? I wondered if a Kohno?
Hey Julian! I don't blame you! The X-Pro2 is a fantastic camera. Those X-Trans III cameras just hit a sweet spot between photo quality, design and build quality. I keep returning to that family of cameras over and over. And that guitar is a Manuel Raimundo. Thanks for watching and for commenting! Your support is appreciated.
Hey there! So the OVF on the Xpro 2 is definitely better since it has 2 different views. Xpro 3 has just one in this case. I kept my Xpro 2 and didnt upgrade because I like the D-Pad and require the OVF since I shoot a variety of Fujinon lenses, but for your case if you are to shoot manual focus lenses perhaps not getting an Xpro 3 is best, maybe look at the XE4 if you still prefer the rangefinder style body. For me the OVF is key.
Hey Tejash, thank you for the feedback! You have great points.
I'm using the X-Pro2 and the X-T3 primarily for still photography. Your discussion of OVF vs. EVF is exactly the same things I have experienced. My OVF technique continues to evolve with use. As you observed, my X-T3 EVF experience is much better than the X-Pro2. I also like the layout of the X-Pro2 better. As a right-eyed shooter, I also love not having my nose stuck in the middle of the rear screen. For me, there is something really satisfying about shooting with the X-Pro2. I find myself reaching for it first whenever I'm looking to shoot something. Whether it's the aesthetics of the "rangefinderesque" experience with the OVF or the nostalgia I sometimes feel for actually using a rangefinder, or just the excellent design of the camera itself, I would have trouble saying. Perhaps it is also that using it is a little more challenging to me than the X-T3. All that said, I didn't see enough of a difference with it and the X-Pro3 to go to that model. But I am watching the new Fuji announcements with great interest to see if an X-Pro4 and the X-T5 might be 40 megapixel workhorses.
Thanks for the feedback Melvin! I love hearing from other X-Pro owners. I feel like many of us have similar feelings about the camera, we love and appreciate the design & aesthetics and of course the great image quality. I can't wait to see the X-Pro4! Thanks for watching and for commenting!
Enjoyed your video as always Craig, your thought process is I'm sure similar to what all us dedicated Fuji shooters go through.
For what it's worth I've got a graphite X-Pro 2 which is the premium Fuji in my line-up, it just oozes quality in form and function. My simple question to myself when considering newer models is do the incremental feature and ergonomic changes merit the incremental price change to me. As a used camera buyer that rule of thumb has easily eliminated the current generation x100, xe & x-pro models given what I paid for the previous gen.models and being a bit sceptical of the value of the changes in the current models for my needs. In all honesty when the next generation x-pro 4 is released I'd probably see a second x-pro 2 in black for the long-term as being an even better purchase if it caused a bit more of a price drop.
What we all like and value in Fuji cameras is such a personal thing, I'm just glad they offer us the choice of the different lines and continue to develop them to at least offer us features to consider even if we decide they are not for us.
Hey Robin! Thanks for sharing! I love hearing others' thoughts on this stuff. And you're exactly right, it's so cool Fujifilm creates different style camera bodies for our differing preferences. Thank you so much for watching!
The X-pro 3 has become a hype beast camera. It sells for way over retail even though it's 4 years old and discontinued.
Good point!
I currently use an X-Pro2 and I am considering upgrading to the X-Pro3 but I'm conflicted because I am hoping there is an X-Pro4 on the horizon with the new 40MP sensor & IBIS. The EVF on the X-Pro3 is better than the X-Pro2, it has a faster refresh rate & is brighter with more contrast.
Great point about the improved EVF on the X-Pro3. That alone is motivation enough for me to get one. But like you I think I might wait to at least see what the X-Pro4 has to offer. I may still go with the 3 but at least I'll know. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I thought I would miss IBIS, but i dont. I don't use the XPro 3 for video and my lenses are 16mm and 23mm so even in low light I can achieve a reliable shutter speed for stable shots.
@@walkingmanvideo9455 Since posting I have upgraded to the X-Pro3, I think I will hold on to my money to see if there is an X-Pro4 on the horizon in the spring of 2023.
@@acmdv The introduction of the XPRO 4 will be exciting and painful for me as I am only a new XPro 3 owner. Like the many computers, phones, cameras, cars etc that get updated every year, I try to just avoid manufacturer websites so they dont create doubt or confusion in what we already own and use.
I’ve used an xt2 and now xpro2 and even the processor is the same I love much more the pictures from my xpro2.
That's awesome. It's a pretty great camera. Thanks for watching and for your feedback!
Hi Craig! I'm currently shooting a used FujifilmX-H1 and an X-E3. My X-H1 is an outstanding tool for my Macro and Landscape/Cityscape shooting with my XF60MM Macro f2.4, XF16mm f2.8 & XF16-80MM f4 lenses. My X-E3 is my EDC and is used primarily for shooting BNW and Street Photography with the Sigma 30mm F1.4 or Fujifilm's XF27MM f2.8. The problem for me is the X-E3 is just too cramped for my big hands...I can shoot with it and have enjoyed the results it gets me. I'm considering replacing it with a used X-Pro2 as my EDC for it's slightly larger size, ergonomics and in-hand feel. I'd really appreciate hearing your views on this!
Hey Dave, I think the X-Pro2 would be a good choice for what you're describing. It has amazing build quality and a great button layout and usability, not to mention weather sealing. And of course since it has the same sensor as the X-H1 and X-E3 you know what to expect in terms of image quality. I truly enjoy the shooting experience with it. I think it's a good choice to replace your X-E3. And if you end up don't liking it you can probably resell it for the same or similar price as what you buy it for. The demand for these is still high. Let me know what you end up doing. Thanks for watching!
Hi Craig. I've made the decision to trade in or sell my X-E3 mto get a used X-Pro2 in good to very good condition at a reasonable price. The challenge here in Japan is A) to find one that B) hasn't been exorbitantly priced📷🤔🤔‼️ I almost had one last night being sold by a reputable company (MAP Camera) but as I was completing the trade-in and purchase process on their online website, someone bought it out from under me😡😡. This is going to be a game of research, patience & Perseverance...but I'm comitted to finding & buying an X-Pro2 in good shape at a reasonable price! I'll let you know if and when I'm successful. Cheers‼️
Hi Craig! Well, I finally scored my X-Pro2 getting a body rated as "Good" by MAP Camera here in Japan. They're always conservative in their ratings from my past positive experience with them. I also got trade-in values for my X-E3, XF16mm f2.8 and XF27mm f2.8. I should have my X-Pro2 in hand in about 10 days and am looking forward to it becoming my EDC next to my X-H1. I'll let you know how it works out👍😎‼️
@@davepayne8500 That’s awesome! I can’t wait to hear how it goes.
@@CraigBergonzoni Hi Craig, my pre-owned Fujifilm X-Pro2 is in my hands now and WOW...WHAT ERGONOMICS BLISS📷‼️ After loading all the settings, I took it out yesterday for a first Photo Walk. As Bogart said at the end of "Casablanca"...this looks like the beginning of a beautiful friendship!" I'd like to send you a couple of my initial images, what's the best way to do that?
I kinda regret that I had to sell my X-Pro2 to buy the Pro3. As others have mentioned the OVF of Pro2 is more versatile, but if you stay on the 23-50mm range you won't miss it so much. The EVF is way better in the Pro3 then the old one. I also miss the D-Pad on the pro2 because that was so many options to have functions configured to your liking, but anyways, Fujifilm seems to have abandoned this configuration for all the range. I don't know... I also really liked the X-Trans III sensor, specially for black and white it has something to it, but X-Trans IV is no doubt superior, particularly in the way jpeg's render out, plus you get Classic Negative which is very nice to experiment with film simulation wise. I had the chance to get a good deal on the Dura black finish one, and man, this is such a sexy and beautiful piece of art as a camera, I really love it. Sometimes I just pull it out just to look at it 😀. My X-Pro2 was second-hand already so that's why I finally went for the Pro-3, not sure I wouldn't have skipped this one had I bought the X-pro2 new when it got out, I mean these are such expensive cameras after all. Anyways, I hope this helps a little, but you can't go wrong even if you should decide to skip and wait for the Pro4 (which isn't round the corner any time soon if you want my opinion) P.S: Being able to charge directly the battery with the usb C cable directly on the camera is a big plus for me also.
Great feedback! Thank you! From what I'm hearing from everyone I think I might lean toward the X-Pro3 if given the choice. I don't need the magnification feature of the OVF and I mostly use 23mm & 35mm lenses. And I want that improved EVF. Thank you so much for watching and for your comment!
@@CraigBergonzoni don't know if you've seen this one
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I think the biggest difference between the 2 and 3 is the lack of dual magnification for the OVF in the 3, so it's really more focused on using the 23mm and 35mm lenses. I'm not bothered by that, since those are my favorite focus lengths. I think the viewfinder on the 3 is bigger than the 2, and the EVF of the 3 is certainly better and bigger than the 2. For me, the biggest difference between the 3 and 2 is the ability to save custom white balance settings for each preset slot, so I essentially treat the 3 like one of my film rangefinders with 6 "films" that I can switch between.
For me, one of the biggest benefits of using the OVF is being able to see things enter the frame. I also find that it makes me focus more on composition because I can't see things like depth of field.
These are great points. I think I'll have to give the X-Pro3 a try as soon as I can. Thank you for watching and for the great feedback! Much appreciated.
I totally agree.
The best OVF is the one of X-Pro2 which has 2 levels of magnification.
The one of the X-Pro1 also has the 2 levels but it was more difficult , at least for me, to compose with it as the frame was not so much following the focal distance.
The other ones X100x or X-Pro3 have only a fixed level of magnification.
I still wonder why Fujifilm has handicapped the X-Pro3, which would otherwise be perfect with its folding screen, by going back to a single magnification level. As much as it was understandable for the X100 series with their fixed lens, if we we admit to disregard the TCL-X100, WCL-X100 accessories, it is completely incomprehensible on an interchangeable lens camera.
@@HenriPierreChavaz from what I understand, it seems that the OLED evf assembly was bigger than the older lcd one, and that precluded the use of the diopter assembly for the dial magnification OVF. The X-Pro 3 is an even more idiosyncratic camera than the 2, but that's why I love it.