Wow, a lot of music theory discussion in this comments section. What I will say is, as a former trumpet player myself, I played for about 6 years before I knew there was even such a thing as "concert pitch." I did play the piano, but I didn't think twice that the notes were any different. There would have been kids my age who would have known, but I wasn't taking the trumpet massively seriously, and I was about as good as the girl in this video, who happens to be about the same age I was when I was told to play a "Concert Bb" and embarrassed the entire concert band by playing a (out-of-tune) "trumpet pitch" Bb. Judging by the quality of this school band (sorry), I wouldn't have expected that girl to be any wiser. Cut her some slack! Also, for those saying it's the producer's fault for not pointing out this discrepancy, I think this show's producers' minds were elsewhere anyway. They were too busy making such segments as "Custard Dreams," "Fizz or Bang?" "Things What My Body Does," "Big Bang Farm" and "What Makes The Best Burp?" This is a purposefully-low budget comedy show that references science in a silly, immature way, and it's mostly aimed at young men who couldn't care less about scientific theory and probably just enjoy watching Jon Tickle run on Ambrosia. Apologies if it's not accurate enough; I don't really think that's the point!
I think you need to brush up on your music theory :) No, she is not lying. She is playing a Bb trumpet. Which means that the Bb note is Called C. All notes are transposed one second up. That means that the note she was playing (A) is actually called B on that kind of trumpet. Transposing instruments are wierd.
I would like to point out that the 12 year old kids watching couldn't care less. it was for illustration only, which means that your high-flown 'musicality' has served only to embarrass you as you've completely missed the point of a programme intended for children.
Oh but there is a really big difference, not much but clearly hearable. At 2.40 you can hear the original note being played. At 2.51 as the instrument fills up with helium the pitch is bended upward getting higher.
Actually, notes don't really exist. They're a machination of human thought, and are nothing more than changes in the frequency of undulations in air pressure. So what's the point of arguing anyway?
No, the speed of sound in helium is about 970 m/s, whereas in air it's 340 m/s. It's the resonant frequency that is altered; the wavelength is the same.
There's no wrong way to play most instruments but saying an A note is a B note is an unquestionable mistake. If she was instructing another trumpet player with reading the sheet music portion where it was probably marked as B (the sheet in C key) then I could understand how she could do that but telling it to the interviewer or another player is just plain stupid and confusing and even more so in this example that we are talking about PITCH in the specific context.
Ha, I've played with god knows what, tin whistle, clarinet, a crazy piper guy that had like all the recorder sizes and keys, bag pipe, uillean pipes you name it. Mostly guitar and keyboards and I can tell you, the guitars have some of the oddest tunings as well and although I recognize all the chords by their hand shape, it is the guitarists job to know what note comes out of the instrument when asked. You might not stop bugging me but at least don't try to teach your mother how to have babies.
"Trumpet players B" or "his/her B" is not in the dictionary any more than "Your Car" is. That's because to MOST it is common sense. When a transposing player tells you their note, unless they are PLAYING with you or specify concert pitch, then it is assumed to be "their note". Of course, if you've ever played with transposing musicians before, you would know how all of this works. I don't go to ukulele video's saying your hands are incorrect. LEARN the realm before you go saying it's wrong.
...And that's what the sites like the one you linked are for. When you tell others what the note was that you played, you need to tell them what it really was TAKING INTO ACCOUNT your instrument is a transposing one. It is your job to know about your instrument, not all of the other band members / the interviewer / the audience. When she said B instead of the A she really played, that meant exactly that she didn't know her instrument was in Bb instead of the C that was written in sheet music.
Yeah and to this day, I haven't found any documentation of this "trumpet player's B" so you're welcome to link me to any site using such a term. My point is and has always been residing on the most simple musical theory there is, the fact that there is a certain pitch that we call a B and that wasn't what we heard on the video. As a trumpet player in a band it is important to know that even though you play your Bb instrument like it was in C, you are actually playing in Bb.
Yeah and just a little while ago these terms were "made up" and in fact not real musical terms. This makes sense now. When you don't understand something you should admit it. Now you have to play the game where you pretend you knew all along, and start arguing different points that still aren't quite right. Eh, she never told anyone her instrument was playing in C. Maybe you have access to a part of the video the rest of us don't? When you pick another point to argue, it should exist first.
Yes the instrument was in Bb I get it, FFS. REGARDLESS of that it is still faulty to tell the interviewer the note she played was a B when it clearly was an A. Knowing the context it is understandable how she made the mistake but still, it was a mistake. Don't make it into such big a deal. Since you brought it up, I do know how to play with other people. And when doing so, you can't play your Bb instrument and tell the others you're playing in C like the staff you have reads.
Why don't you check my channel and/or website if you really doubt my musical skills but if you ask me youjust went for a quick insult since you ran out of anything appropriate to say to explain yourself. FYI, here's how transposing works: You take (lets say) a tin whistle in C and the bottom note / root note is C of course. When you play on a transposed D whistle, the bottom note is higher, thus we call it D even though it is played exactly like the C on C whistle because it's a f***ing D note.
"Concert B" WTF. Notes have the names and they don't change when you change keys of the instrument or composition and GL trying to explain this to other people with terms you just made up. "Trumpet player's B" jesus you guys are the worst. I'm not suing the girl for her faulty statement, it isn't a big deal. It was some cocky idiot who wanted to try to patrionize me for pointing it out. BTW props on bringing this one up after 10 months.
Lol wow... we made it up? How can you not know what we're talking about? You've never worked with other musicians before, have you? I'm not surprised. You also have obviously never heard of a transposing instrument before. Go google it and educate yourself. See that we "made it up." Don't embarrass yourself further.
You're right about that part; It's not that hard to understand. So, then why don't you understand? It is a transposing instrument. This particular one is in Bb. She did indeed play a B. If she said Concert B, then you would be right... But she didn't, and you're not. And you're talking about other peoples intellects? Tsk tsk.
The frequency of the note "B" is 440hz * 2^2/12 = ~493.88. This is not what is heard on the video when she says she is playing a "B", rather the frequency matches 440hz, note "A" much better. It's really not so hard to understand and it isn't such big a deal. And piano is NOT limited to any key like brass instruments.
Then again, what does exist? All things are more or less abstract but they need to be talked about and that's why man made up names and definitions for them. And it is important not to mix up the definitions like "note A" and "note B" or "poison" and "milk". :)
How dare you try to give me lessons on musical theory with your intellect. How about you play a B then and compare it to the pitch that is heard on the video. It might even match since your playing skills probably match your knowledge on the subject.
The note she was playing was the first note of the song which is A by the way, not B as stated. It shifted to B after the helium inhaling though, so it would be cool to hear if the entire orchestra would go one step up after a dose of helium.
0:39 Helium doesn't make your vocal folds vibrate faster! Sound travels faster through helium than through air that's why it sounds higher and squeeky.
Helium lighter, made the trumpet a whole tone higher. Temperature does too alittle bit. cold windinstruments sound flat(in pitch) and go up when warmed up.
See older comments: it's from the 1982 animated film "The Snowman". I had to look up the Nightwish version on TH-cam, and really wish I hadn't. Truly Awful.
Naaah... wie gesagt, immer noch zu hübsch.. vermutlich auch zu talentiert.. *hüstel* Nun, hören wir auf, auf Angie rumzureiten, wie Mittermeier so schön sagen würde ^.~
ALTHOUGH! Sulfur Hexaflouride does have the effect of making your voice deeper, without those horrifying consequences, AS LONG AS you don't inhale too much, and really force all of the Sulfur Hexafluoride out of your lungs, when you're finished with it.
Wow, a lot of music theory discussion in this comments section. What I will say is, as a former trumpet player myself, I played for about 6 years before I knew there was even such a thing as "concert pitch." I did play the piano, but I didn't think twice that the notes were any different. There would have been kids my age who would have known, but I wasn't taking the trumpet massively seriously, and I was about as good as the girl in this video, who happens to be about the same age I was when I was told to play a "Concert Bb" and embarrassed the entire concert band by playing a (out-of-tune) "trumpet pitch" Bb. Judging by the quality of this school band (sorry), I wouldn't have expected that girl to be any wiser. Cut her some slack!
Also, for those saying it's the producer's fault for not pointing out this discrepancy, I think this show's producers' minds were elsewhere anyway. They were too busy making such segments as "Custard Dreams," "Fizz or Bang?" "Things What My Body Does," "Big Bang Farm" and "What Makes The Best Burp?" This is a purposefully-low budget comedy show that references science in a silly, immature way, and it's mostly aimed at young men who couldn't care less about scientific theory and probably just enjoy watching Jon Tickle run on Ambrosia. Apologies if it's not accurate enough; I don't really think that's the point!
I think you need to brush up on your music theory :) No, she is not lying. She is playing a Bb trumpet. Which means that the Bb note is Called C. All notes are transposed one second up. That means that the note she was playing (A) is actually called B on that kind of trumpet. Transposing instruments are wierd.
😂😂😂 I play the French horn- my C is a Concert F. That's weird.
I would like to point out that the 12 year old kids watching couldn't care less. it was for illustration only, which means that your high-flown 'musicality' has served only to embarrass you as you've completely missed the point of a programme intended for children.
It's not really a kid's show. It's full of double entendres, half-naked women and toilet humour. I'm not really sure who it's for. Young men, I'd say.
No, it's "The Snowman" from the silent film of the same name.
would you think it would work on harmonica?
It's "The Sun and the Rain" by Madness.
my friend is the girl at 0.47 seconds
2:43.... all lies :P
Oh but there is a really big difference, not much but clearly hearable. At 2.40 you can hear the original note being played. At 2.51 as the instrument fills up with helium the pitch is bended upward getting higher.
Actually, notes don't really exist. They're a machination of human thought, and are nothing more than changes in the frequency of undulations in air pressure.
So what's the point of arguing anyway?
No, the speed of sound in helium is about 970 m/s, whereas in air it's 340 m/s. It's the resonant frequency that is altered; the wavelength is the same.
There's no wrong way to play most instruments but saying an A note is a B note is an unquestionable mistake. If she was instructing another trumpet player with reading the sheet music portion where it was probably marked as B (the sheet in C key) then I could understand how she could do that but telling it to the interviewer or another player is just plain stupid and confusing and even more so in this example that we are talking about PITCH in the specific context.
Ha, I've played with god knows what, tin whistle, clarinet, a crazy piper guy that had like all the recorder sizes and keys, bag pipe, uillean pipes you name it. Mostly guitar and keyboards and I can tell you, the guitars have some of the oddest tunings as well and although I recognize all the chords by their hand shape, it is the guitarists job to know what note comes out of the instrument when asked.
You might not stop bugging me but at least don't try to teach your mother how to have babies.
"Trumpet players B" or "his/her B" is not in the dictionary any more than "Your Car" is. That's because to MOST it is common sense.
When a transposing player tells you their note, unless they are PLAYING with you or specify concert pitch, then it is assumed to be "their note". Of course, if you've ever played with transposing musicians before, you would know how all of this works. I don't go to ukulele video's saying your hands are incorrect. LEARN the realm before you go saying it's wrong.
...And that's what the sites like the one you linked are for. When you tell others what the note was that you played, you need to tell them what it really was TAKING INTO ACCOUNT your instrument is a transposing one. It is your job to know about your instrument, not all of the other band members / the interviewer / the audience.
When she said B instead of the A she really played, that meant exactly that she didn't know her instrument was in Bb instead of the C that was written in sheet music.
Yeah and to this day, I haven't found any documentation of this "trumpet player's B" so you're welcome to link me to any site using such a term.
My point is and has always been residing on the most simple musical theory there is, the fact that there is a certain pitch that we call a B and that wasn't what we heard on the video. As a trumpet player in a band it is important to know that even though you play your Bb instrument like it was in C, you are actually playing in Bb.
Yeah and just a little while ago these terms were "made up" and in fact not real musical terms. This makes sense now. When you don't understand something you should admit it. Now you have to play the game where you pretend you knew all along, and start arguing different points that still aren't quite right.
Eh, she never told anyone her instrument was playing in C. Maybe you have access to a part of the video the rest of us don't? When you pick another point to argue, it should exist first.
Yes the instrument was in Bb I get it, FFS. REGARDLESS of that it is still faulty to tell the interviewer the note she played was a B when it clearly was an A. Knowing the context it is understandable how she made the mistake but still, it was a mistake. Don't make it into such big a deal.
Since you brought it up, I do know how to play with other people. And when doing so, you can't play your Bb instrument and tell the others you're playing in C like the staff you have reads.
Why don't you check my channel and/or website if you really doubt my musical skills but if you ask me youjust went for a quick insult since you ran out of anything appropriate to say to explain yourself.
FYI, here's how transposing works: You take (lets say) a tin whistle in C and the bottom note / root note is C of course. When you play on a transposed D whistle, the bottom note is higher, thus we call it D even though it is played exactly like the C on C whistle because it's a f***ing D note.
"Concert B" WTF. Notes have the names and they don't change when you change keys of the instrument or composition and GL trying to explain this to other people with terms you just made up. "Trumpet player's B" jesus you guys are the worst.
I'm not suing the girl for her faulty statement, it isn't a big deal. It was some cocky idiot who wanted to try to patrionize me for pointing it out. BTW props on bringing this one up after 10 months.
Lol wow... we made it up? How can you not know what we're talking about? You've never worked with other musicians before, have you? I'm not surprised.
You also have obviously never heard of a transposing instrument before. Go google it and educate yourself. See that we "made it up." Don't embarrass yourself further.
You're right about that part; It's not that hard to understand. So, then why don't you understand? It is a transposing instrument. This particular one is in Bb. She did indeed play a B. If she said Concert B, then you would be right... But she didn't, and you're not.
And you're talking about other peoples intellects? Tsk tsk.
The frequency of the note "B" is 440hz * 2^2/12 = ~493.88. This is not what is heard on the video when she says she is playing a "B", rather the frequency matches 440hz, note "A" much better. It's really not so hard to understand and it isn't such big a deal. And piano is NOT limited to any key like brass instruments.
hopefully none of them completely filled their lungs. if so, they died within five minutes of that.
Then again, what does exist? All things are more or less abstract but they need to be talked about and that's why man made up names and definitions for them. And it is important not to mix up the definitions like "note A" and "note B" or "poison" and "milk". :)
Not to sound stupid but would the Xenon blow out of your lungs if you were to exhale upside down?
How dare you try to give me lessons on musical theory with your intellect. How about you play a B then and compare it to the pitch that is heard on the video. It might even match since your playing skills probably match your knowledge on the subject.
The note she was playing was the first note of the song which is A by the way, not B as stated. It shifted to B after the helium inhaling though, so it would be cool to hear if the entire orchestra would go one step up after a dose of helium.
0:39 Helium doesn't make your vocal folds vibrate faster! Sound travels faster through helium than through air that's why it sounds higher and squeeky.
Helium lighter, made the trumpet a whole tone higher. Temperature does too alittle bit. cold windinstruments sound flat(in pitch) and go up when warmed up.
See older comments: it's from the 1982 animated film "The Snowman". I had to look up the Nightwish version on TH-cam, and really wish I hadn't. Truly Awful.
@dany69v walking in the air, it's from that cartoon/short film called The Snowman :)
Xenon is not the heaviest. You should try radon, Rn. It's heavier than xenon for sure. So it should make your voice deeper than xenon.
My director would maime us if our angles were that bad, and the clarinets at the beginning, digusting. They need to work on timing.
Not stupid at all, but it's still dangerous. That's why I say "Do not try this yourself."
"No, really. Don't."
fill a room with pure helium and give all the performers oxygen tanks... get them to play watever they want XD
Thats interesting.. i always thought that is was composed by Nightwish originally.... thank:-)
that helium tank at 00:36 looks like a 5 gallon propane tank
What? I've filled my entire lungs before and I didn't die. What are you talking about?
What season (or series for you TH-camrs in the UK) of Brainiac is this from?
NW is not gothic metal ffs! it's sympho/power metal! :p
Naaah... wie gesagt, immer noch zu hübsch.. vermutlich auch zu talentiert..
*hüstel*
Nun, hören wir auf, auf Angie rumzureiten, wie Mittermeier so schön sagen würde ^.~
would b so funny if helium would affect other kind of instruments XD
The host of the show looks kinda like Doctor Who.
Pfft. We're all gonna die, so why bother anyway?
There's people with balloons on the other side of the stage, also.
The girl in the pink shirt is definitely making eyes at Hammond.
what is the name of the song they are playing? I love it..!
what about the piano? wouldn't the strings vibrate faster?
he wanted them to hold it in without taking another breath
Wow.. these kids thought this experiment was HILARIOUS
They could be laughing because they sound so horrible?
guys can u tell me please the name of the song @ 1:20
They're playing Walkin' in the Air - Nightwish afaik
oooh..I want to do that!
Good Ol' Saxamaphones :P
hehehe
lol nice! xD
but whats the title? o_O?
Walking in the air - mostly heard from nightwish
that is so awesome i have to try that sometime.
nightwish - walking in the air
how edjucational
@IFfan1 Nightwish didn't write that melody.
Hilarious great stuff!!!!!
OMG Walking in the air D:
Fun experiment but it sounds god awful.
Oh, come on.. she's to pretty to be Angie...
viel, viel zu hübsch..
ALTHOUGH!
Sulfur Hexaflouride does have the effect of making your voice deeper, without those horrifying consequences, AS LONG AS you don't inhale too much, and really force all of the Sulfur Hexafluoride out of your lungs, when you're finished with it.
They should try this with bagpipes!
they were playing nightwish! wheee
i love helium
Walking in the air by NIGHTWISH
Na aber komm, die Ähnlichkeit war doch erschreckend :)
The one at 2:54 is even better
annnnd they'll suffocate. ahah
It was originally composed by Howard Blake and was the theme from "The Snowman" (available on TH-cam with a quick search)
Ah, Sweet!!!
Nice Ty-vm! xD
aw poor hammy had a cold :D
AAAH! They're playing Walking in the Air from the Snowman! Such a great song...I tried to download it just earlier today actually!
LMAO, thas funny yo...
That’s my school lol
HAHA. that is funny.
try plutonium gas
Brainiac rules
brilliant!
LOL
when the horn gets filled with helium it affects the quarter wave resonance of the instrument.
@ 1:07 -> angela merkel :D
Nicely covered by Nightwish, by the way :)
SCIENCE!!!